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ROSERBERG : 

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or four days. 

days., . 

Q IS that oorreo correot , or do you .an want . to ohang. obange . ., hat that ? . Ii. , A. - Idondon't 

don don't It ' ChnDg8 change nothl nothing -- : thre' three'! 

or four dayadays-dayaaomoth1ng dayssomething -- aomoth1ng something li like likeO 

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2nd you fOU mot .et met . Lenzner LeuJ1er Lenzaer for tor the first fint tima time and 

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per* oent. cent. 

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' you remember rem'3mber ' .yo . you were VIers 4.8ked clskoo asked caagiotrat.e's 

mag1o caagiotrat.e's- ra.tetB . ,. ' 

"- question and didn't didn-'t d dn"tt ' you yo xnako make mnJt 0 this t ile answer : "Q " You Yo- 

per 

get 5 po1 ! )er cent vent 

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Milnitaky . 

1a.t'wao was wao wan Uilnitsky U1lnltoky 

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do .I *., $, ,and ad Jaoofc Jaoo\t Jacob. \ ,. Laer L..er Lemner *.*.*. said BO me Mj; 10,000' 010,000' $10,000' §$ , ' IB 18 is a lot of o"f''aiineys 

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asm aan't Gantt .1'J. Mi ' take t e a . ohedk from frol1 you you. you.- 

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Q You did not bot hot know who he wae was ? A .well Well . , when a0.. man .D. 'eo, . . le 18 is 'so" eq 

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1 d8pen 8nt xTthought -thought Tthought .thou ht well , tIr will 

..; i11 give him th thf$) cash. oash. dish. cash.- dish.- 

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Wha ' - aboutthis abbutthis about abbut , -this this percentage pel'Oentage 

' business ? A I don't ' know kJ1Qwi' knowknow-;- I. 

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IlI . don't don It ' remember rememb6r it it. ,. Maybe Ma.y . e iSr'v 

I did prornloe prom1oe promise him himj; I don't don It ' , remember. remember 

remember.- ' ., ' 

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-Maybe 'Maybo Maybe you promised prom1sed whom ? A. . Ttoatever 

Vbatever lhatever hib his name name- --- 

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Jaoob J ?b Milnitaky4 Milniteky. Milniteky.- 

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Q ifaybo 1rayba Maybe, what 'l'hat ' ' do you think you promised prom1s 7? 

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member. "member. "maitber. 

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" what Tihot what \1b \' t wgs was W B Miltniaky Ifiltniaky 111tI ! 18 y'su ' " 

-. auppoaed-to pOSed.to supposed to get gat for putting up thia this 

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000 ? . A Ee He did'.not d1dw.no didr.not didr.notput ' .- 

. put -put t up.,. . TI waa was the one < ? DO put the- 

$30001 13,000 

anything up 

money.up.moneymoney.up.- money :; 

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Q He flg wao wan warn suppooo-.i suppoo suppoaoi 

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-':.t . to put pu.t . up $3000 13,000 $; *, OOP ? A He waa Ylas was was- . . . 

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You ou 6avo gave g v him ,your money monoy ? A I gave to t o Uiinitakymy ltlin.t8ky 

Milnit , . sky * my" my my- 

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money. 

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money./. 'and 'andhe-andhe- ho he -- *. 

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Q He HoI; put the money mon r in his pooket poak.et 

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:, ,. he gave thethe- " 

money mone to Jaoob Jacob Lenzner.. He did not not" not"PU 

: PU .it in hia h.1s . 

gave gave tlie 

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the money to Jaoob Jacob Jao b Lenzner. Lenzner Lenzner. .., 

Q Dno DO ° 7you °u remember this question 

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,put 

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his 

pook'et pook'et. J >ook.et 

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queotion being be ng put to you and- 

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the. the 

makin making makin this answer answor in 1n the tho magistrate's 

mag lotrate IS ' oourt court concerning oonoerning thethe.- -., 

oheokaheok oheok aheok check and . oaah oaSh cash : "Q .Q ". When they refused xauBed ! the oheok oheo check you offered ofterecl offeredt- ; offerehemdtheithemthem 

the them.a -;, .a . a. certified oertified oheok check ? 'A 

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A Yes YE i; they hey did not want that thate1t 

, either either- 

Was Wa.s . a . .there .there talk about a certified oertified check cheok1? Ar:I -r - don't ' remBmber remember ran lZ er", " 

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t1 I'X ' oannot cannot havo have all ali these theae I1ttLe : things 1B'' 

1B'y' in'siy ay siy ayy 

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D ea 1.ve 1.v- . Fraoer Fraser' Fraser'.ti1t .there .ti1t . r8 ? 

eth 

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. explained'.to c.pla.jn.d 

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Q Then Thm Thti Detootiva Fra.o. DetGot1" Detective ". Frooer Fraser ar asked askedyou ked 'you -you you do do' do'ou you ou , know knQw. knQw.tho . the tho man mun man- , ,.j 

who 

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who 

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who took your money 

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-. you' you'told you '. 

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told .h himD1 

. about UP. llr. Mr ., Uilnltoky .111nltoky 

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l!i .nitoky 

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Then Than Th en you told him 'him about Sftthan Nl N ( . .than han 1? A ' 

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Q You gave him a de iorlptlon d6liorlpt1on of JSathan Bathm : ? A Yes Yaa.,. . 

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. you yo gave-a gavft.n -. deooxlption. dftorl ! , lon.. of. ot.. ths the! . 

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. ' you tall tell DfVteotlva DiAeotit 

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. \ . V e Fraaer Freer Fraa : er when t1hel hen ti : lie he fie aokod aakod kod you for- 

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a ,deoorittion deoorli d eua rift >t1on ion of o.tha othe o!: the -the , thlrJ th11J thi r3; wan roan 

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not now 

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t beB this defendant deffndant defendant. ! ., Mr. Mr ]!r., ' 

Lenznor henzner ! , . 

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cUdri ., l1drlft. didriit yourtoll "loti your 

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Fraser Frnsar Fraser in anoner answer to hl h1 

,. Fraaor 

htoJ question quaat1on. quection ,. 

thlo 

A thi 

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that thut lenzner 

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want *ant :to to' .o . ' 

tall Dotootive 

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. . Jin. IJn. JR. ) . PAUGAR PAWGAR : , 

' & At thi time I "want offer an ob ob- 

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Fraser 

> , ' Jeotlon eo.t1on j ., to t'o -. what-this what.this 

what.. .this -this cpmplalnt 

'opmpl.nJ.nt 

'opmpla.int 

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. might rd ht have told'Dot to tol d 'ID 3Otlvo 'JOt1vo vt.3otiva t ' . 

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!, : MR MP. YR. .,. PANC5AR PANGAR PANG AR-8. AR8.: -. May Jd6 .Y . 'II further fFurth rtllar or objeo.tuxx obj 'J.tupon eo.tupon ' >n . the ground round 1o d 

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. that hat this method thod'', ' : of ot questioning is improper improper- ; Jt thtft rthrathis- 

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jeotlon 

Objection 

-,this tthiBwthis- ' Dtrl ei'tivo- 1vo 1vo- 

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ltneoa 

witness witnaoa wltneoa witness witnaoa should ehou1d be asked to oay OilY nay: aht ho told Deteofivo Deteofivo- 

Fraoex. Fra ee. 

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BYr DY MR. JIR. ROSEHBERGs 

ROSENBERG 

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Hothat Igothat 

THE COURT : Ho Igo o , --that ha.t 

ROENBF.RC $ . : - 

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tell .Detective 

Detective 

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Dut: ei'tivo 

the/third the /third nan IU1n 

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don't ' remember 

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t' el11ng telling t'el11ng hilt him that.- . 

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Did you yotU tell him tho the third man 

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we weighed ghed about 165- 

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poundspep.aclopounds *pep.acloyeo 

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,- yeo yea or no ? A V1well1, Ir just "ant want " to know.know.i . . '- 10 i © . , . 

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bianing 

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: bef before re I had anyo.ne anyone . o.rrea 

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Lonzner.. Lonzner. 

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Q{ , Before you had 8Dyone anyone 

; , arrested you ,ta.lked talked 

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, "wasa on th e asame dday that you lost your money iaoney'Y iaoney'Y- ? 

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Q 1r Now"., d1dn' didn't 

' you on tha. that 

the., man whom you now say 1s 

a 

description of this , 

' 8a, deadr1pt1on 

. day tell ll Detaot1v Deteotive Fraser that thattthat- is Lenznar Lenzner, was wan a man, when you gave gave- 

man 

- -- -that he was a man we1ghlDg weighing 

manthat that 

165 pounds , did you oay say tha.t . , yeo. yea yeo.or 

t 9 u.y 

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. o'omet.hlng. 

o'omet.hlng.- . . 

Q. 

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. now no w oay .say 

' Did you tell 

in Lenz.ner" Lenzner 

that 

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-want Iwant 

., or no ? A yYea ' 

.- , but I.watt't 

ll him that Lenznar Lenzner, the thi1."d thi1.d third" 

five . !feet 

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: .n ,. 10 

. ", was a. man fiv.e 

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A I di d not ttell ell hhim about a. . th'lrd 

for Jaoob Jacob Ullnltaky. 

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.Qq. When you had h d your talk- w1t with with-the .-th the detedtivej det edt dt ivV e- * Ur..Fraser 

did you at that tine time describe dosoribe dscribe 

described desoribed only tho the first 

isis. 1s' is 1s' is. '. 

the th"e 

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told me where 

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firot man. '" 

th three men man, yes or- 

anted , 

Ur . .; ra sr, 

no ? A.A 

I wanted " , to find him out , where mere nhere wherenheremerefirst f1r man, that thoat is Jacob Ullnitsky 11nltBkY Milnitsky and he would have- 

are ., . 

whera the other two are. 

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Q IShen When .you . you talked t ed with rlth , Mr Yr. 

attempt ttempt ttempt to describe 

only the the. 

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the.first 

Fraser'di Fraaer-did 

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Mr.,. Fraser 

desoribe anybody except axo ept llllnitsky Ul1xrltoky Milnitoky 

man.,. 

. first man 

. . Q TJho Y/ho / do you mean mea 1 by that ? 

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did you describe 

dee r1be or- 

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]llilnltoky 

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BY' Bt'MR.-ROSEEBEKQ 

BY' !!Y ' - n. XR. ' R0SE 

..w. where-the 

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k. knew 

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- where' er. ' the , ether .th'or other twO two- 

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: .ROSEEBERO 

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Q Are you y u mire aura now not that you did not : describe 

tottottto- todesoribe deaoribe t -J* deaorl 

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JA air. sir. sir.- 

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any ' 

any other man than a Uilnitsky dilnitsky Ul ) lteky . to o. 

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deaorlb or 

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' attempt- efnpt efnp- 1pt 1p- 

0 r 'att 

Detective oteot,1ve at eotive Fraser Fr erT' 

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. You ore are ouro &uro suro & of. . lor 

thHt that ? A , Positive Poslt.ive. Fosit.ive Poslt.ive.- . ., 'Wv&i. 

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" fee iii. "Lou "Loudid ".* 114 cI1. -did. 

yen y" give 'give ,MM hili him tha.it that tka.t . 1t A' ; ' 'Afteriaw Aft.r'LI Aftor- AftorI . '* -I ',.aw . , " 

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J11t1K.1 ldiltxi.kr 

( . . .. , after attar we 18 we ! got him hlm", " than then I gave bin hia his a& deeoriptioa deeoriptioa- 

d8 J .. deeori t lioa ioa- 

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Or 

of 'J& 

Jacob 

Lenzaer 

&("() Le&zaer 

Q _ When Wb_ waa that? A -' That . I-don I'don't 't 'r'&zember. 

'remember 

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Q It wai was before you arrested eot this this. ,. " 

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defendantA 

defendant defJDdant def idantt t? -A -_ A Yea Yee Yes , 

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' it was.before 

waB"'before. 

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you g&vo ga.ve gave 

five 

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.fivo 

. .fivo nfive 

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feet "teat 

", ! In that desoription deeor1ption 

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It ,. did you say that Le Leuzner Leasnor 

what five feet and 

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description to Deteotivo Deteotlve Detective Fraeer Fraser , whenever 

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when'evert , . f- '- " 

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ner, thio 

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this man , was a. man man- ma.n 

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,when'evertf 

six s1x inqhea inghes tall , yea yes or .no no ? A I don't ' under underata.nd. underatand 

underata.nd.underatand- at and- . . 

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nd four feet ! eet la 10. is.* . I knew he had glasses -- hehe.- arid had a . fur -- a collar 

wore glasses and 

don't don don't 't know about five feat 

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feet four Inches 

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Q You did not tell the detective dat.eotlve 

.told 

.toldJiim toldJiim ..told him he was "as " a short 

Q0Q 

You did not t ll him l'm' 

. 

oollar with fur on, but I 

don't 

iJ1Oheo., I don It ' understand understand. understand- .; 

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. bow tall he was 

he. ,. 

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ahort man. He was not a tall 

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man man. man.- ,. 

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, tell how tall 'tall , he was ? . A ffo'H. ffo'H.- o',. 

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Q The Then Th detedtlve detedt1ve dotedtive did not notauk ask -auk k you ? A I don't don It ' remember member r if it ifitlif- i. ; ' 

heieho he lie ho asked . ked mee, but but' but'I 

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I did id not. not not.tell 

., tell him how how' how'hlgh high hlgh he was , , 

. .bUt . but only on1y only- only- 

. told him that he wore glasses and had ha a obat coat o at with ,., a . fur collar oollar , 

told 

.told 

told 

I ' 

ith 

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Q And that he had a moustaoha moustache ? AIt : No moustache 'that "that 'that- 

- ' : . I don't ' remember remamber no. no ,. ' 

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don't ' ranomber remember of 8ayl 

the day and only t o OOniS ooab ooab- ooab- 

sayin g that even. even even.- ., 

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did di c1 tell ell t you toto"to- " 

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'sw 'swer svrdr.in swer svrdr.in ,. in the th'3' magistrate magistrate's 

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noffered offered me 5 pa per* cent oent' Dent oent'for for. for., handling it 

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were going to to.advance advance 

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5 per cent 

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peroent g , 

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to. 

is io that right ? A Qertainly. CertAinly Oert .lnly. 

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it. ,. Q In other wordfl words wordfwords- ' advanoe $10,000 110,000 $ , on an arrangement 

arrangeme1'it to 

' you tell this thin h1 jury a few minutes m"nuteo " 

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in that I" property 

nI" oe.rtaln 

.nd . that firm rirm wanted 

xaplan .Kaplan xaplan .Ka . Kaplan Ka 

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get the 

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tbe name nwne of .1 .it , and 

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a.plan 

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buy the th goods. 

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had-nothing 

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wan ad to oiy my hxy the goods good- 

with wit it. it ., ' 

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8 a bookkeeper and that firm wanted 

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You vrdre "tire ware " going to g&t Eat Bt 

& 5 per cent 

oent commission oomm1ssion ?! 

to- 

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manuSian man uSian would not work for nothing. no hing.. I had to give him something- 

from fro 

work 

from. ,. the work. work.- ., . 

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who would, re-sell - it , 

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for 

Interest 

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give vo me 5 per oent ' vent 'for four IBvest- Invest.- 

firm would gl 

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gooda. ., 'I ' am entitled to 5 per otmt. otmt.- cent ., 

get ' 5 per- ,- ' peroen'O oent"for 

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in .- YyotLl nOW.OllY row -nay 10 

coU couldn't c1n't ' tell you 110'W how ' 

lldo alldo 

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oo coul d hot havo have overything everything in my r.Q 

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mind did not oh change nge'l'? this tr Jlsaot1otl transaction 

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211 , 191'l 1919 

as well today- 

t eat ifying in the magistra.te's- 

magiat rat. a 1e 1' 

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everything what they .. .aked asked me --- I fon."t don't 

I l'em remember 

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ome things who.t what 

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.that that 1'1 right ' tT? A.,. I m1ght might have seen hia him twioe twice o ,. r thr thre e times. times, 

Q ?Tot ,lot what you lgbt might ha.ve have . done, but didn't ' you sq say in- 

the aagitrate 1 ©trate.ase . oourt court that you 8saw1; him , trio tvio e ? A Th Theis Z'Imumvumt 

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him MM twioe twice, beoQ.ua because 

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memory Wo.B was . bettor better than then than it 113 is today ? A In Inn 

batter 1TtO two ; YOD.'m yr © . ' ago g.Q . ' thnn than now now'- now- 

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nitsky 1nltsky nitsky 

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taking taJklng talking , about the buying buyi'J1g of the 

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home , 'let' us go out and havo have 

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. foor t.oor floor and and0 XTO \0 we \' nent "ent scum nenti nent"entscum- " 

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ethlo thlo onarrar answer o.n . nrer in the nagiBtratete magistrate's 

magi tra.tets . ' court oourt on Dso6mber Deo ember mber 21- 211919 - t , 1919 19 9.*., 

this 

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which whioh he be handles handleJ , 

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introduce-me 

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silks silko and woolens 1foolen8 , and that man is 1s is- 

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an auctioneer Heis 

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the place pl6.0o. pl60o. place. pl6.0o- place.- . *. . . 

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' >ut Ir don't ' know his- 

' second second'name 'name 'name. .;*. ' Row lo. Now., does that not 

: not T.ot . refresh roroeh ref! rash your our reoolleotion 

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truck and found the men missing 

Q0 You jumped out of the truok 

he truok truck ok started 8 arted to go and I looked looke.i , 

. around a.rou . ; and , tI jumped jJumpJumpe- mped 

' truck and he started st ted to to. . ' 

opoed opeed speed up and and' and'I' and'II II' looked around a.round arouna.rounaroun- . 

dfordfrdfor for ? the men and did dl < :1 

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not find them ony qny ElDy'mor more.- 

. not prosecuted 

oourt ? A HO NO 110. NO- ,. ' 

You came oame to a.. 

THE THr 

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pros eout ed llilniteky Yllnltsky Milnitaky since 

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sinoe the magis maglo' magiomagis " magi- '-= 

. 'o $' , 

Miltnisky ? 

settlement sQttlem6nt aottlement with Uiltnisky Ul1tnlsky 

COURT : 

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I think you had better 

: get the actual a.otu actual- 

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p"nlapa 

,- Distriot District- DistrictAttorney Attorney doe 

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d1aoho.xged . by , the th Grand Jury and that that' that- ., / 

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Tory well ,, fc fcav? got"that "that- 

! J * AIt ; That was on the 15th 6f Jattary, 1920 , 

IMO,. PAJAR PAJA1R 

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And that no further prouooutlon- 

pros eoutioa -- 

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MB Jm. MB Nf,. PAKQAHt PAiGAlh PANGARt Bo 110 No i- further /her / her proa pros eoution utlo was '- 

had hadagainst against 'aga1n -against against-t 

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w11 get a . ohanoe 

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you arreoted 

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EXAtlINATION 

EXAMINATION BY JIlt. 

POGO 

MR ,. PAKOAR PAIIGAn 

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a.rrangem 

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, to.theto.tho to.the to.tho to .,. tho division divis10n of the th's 

, 

' profits of that deal ? *' A Ho 

posedpposed p sed to 

was .not 

toout put -out 

§$3000 *, ,. When he he" " 

dlv.1ded 

. at all all. all.- 

- in $3,000 3OOO. 

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anyJthlng to be divided 

. anything 

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yo and JJiltnisky lfl1tn1sky Miltnisky as- 

sup¬ 

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did not . 

bring $3,000 83,000 $ , there there.- 

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Q You agreed agre between you there tberlJ that the tho.goodo 

. goods were wera were to- 

be sold Bold for or the amount amo nt that you had, 10,000 $10,000 §$lO,OOO ? A. 

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.- Yea Yes, ._ air. sir. 

Q Who was In the plaoe p1ao plac e . where you handed the 10,000 810,000 $10:000 §$ ,: to to- to\ to- to- 

Miltnitzky Uiltnitzky ltnitzky'l Miltnitzky Uiltnitzky ? ' A There.was There-was There..- was me m 8p, Jaoob .Jaoob Jao . ob Lenzner Lenz nzner ner and Nathan Sandier Sandler. 

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you present" praBent present " 

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themoney . '- .owere. 

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money money- Y? 

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appeud 

'Ailaitsky 'KllJ11t8 y gave gav'e the. 

A Hilaitaky 

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,him how high high. high.-,. 

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him.to him .to take aCo penoil pencil and write- 

lark ! it for lor identification 

identifioation.,. 

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. - same as you did 4.id did . 

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in i .evidence 1'eonlets 

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-.' hen when wh * you y u vrere were upotairo upstairs upst i'Xo 

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that did you see seo sea Mllnltaky Ullnlti1ky Milniteky at all Qli"l , ? " 

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gave ga.ve . him -- I- 

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' SPOU1V8 spo&alve SPOU1V8 sponaive & and move to strike It out and the jury 3ury' , 

be In- Inininatruoted truoted etruot truoted ad to. to., disregardIt d1sregard disregard ,. , .it. it.- 

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lawYer er 

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! .t talk until I se e my lawyerf. lawy 

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complainant pmplaina.nt 

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Smith Smith' Smith'and and he said 

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saw aiL" him befor.e befor.eibefor.ei-. Q 

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gave 1gave gave him a pleoe pleae piece of paper pap r and Ir asked him if 

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1f he would -:- - I ask aakask aakask- 

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what basiness businesse he was wan in. I aaked asked him where wherfi " he lived- 

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and his name. n :Me.. He told me his . name was Jacob aoob Lanzner 

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Lanzn:, he lived- lived- 

917 Longwood Avenue.. I aaked asked him what business bualneBa he was wa in. 

He H said sai4 he be was WaB a0.. 

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av. him a.. piece pleas of pap po.por paper 

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1d if you won't 'wontt 'won't 

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talkl talk. talkl- ,. 

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would yiu yAu ybu have ha.ve . any obj ootion eotlon eation -- cannot oannot find r1mMd 

f: any 8I1Y : harm ha.m harry . in wr wr.1twrit-wr.1writ- . Lt- L- -* 

.Ing lng ing t.Ing ., tlnging " and I asked him to "to write ,. 

hie h1e his name and a.nd . address addreoo and aloo aloe- 

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looked l okec! a8'llttle 

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tlettie tie more re stomach stomaoh.;. He waa was wasetouter stouter than he be is 1s today. today.- to ay. ay.- . 

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oonversation .with with 

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he knew about the th laroeny laroeny. larceny . on this this. . . 

.tlO $10 $10000 $ *000 

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say Ir am not the man , . I neverr-r- . 

saw flaw saw this man 

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.- Ir nwrer Defer never sair saw.hIG caw-hire him before. before' before 

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ho he , stole stolo thio thIa thin money' moneymoney- money 

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Before Oobomber Dooomber 

DoO ber fith 8th, the day da.y'of 

. of 'of the arrest .rreDt arrent 

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. ' ooa oee Gee llr. Yr. h r., Snith Sm1th Smith , the delondont defendant defend t ? A Tea. Yea. Tea.- Yea- Yea ., 

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the 39th Preoinot Preo1not station atat'1on houoo houso house when he made the oompliiint oompluint oomplaint , 

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say say,. or, didn't ' he be say Bay nay in the magistrate lagI8tra.tetJ 

utagistratetu . ( oourt ourt court "I II 81 " asked the- he 

defendant 

defendant en LenznerJt't 

what "hat " he knew about abo t it ; went nt into the , . thing th1ngi th1ngi; 

be he be denied any knowledge kno.Y/ledge 

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of ed to. Overruled. Overrw.s1. Overrws1. erru1ed. 

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years 

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be be' be'OO.h' so. OO.h' .,, ' 

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answer ana".er ana".erQ " . -Q 

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read ra d the .the 'th a question quest ion and- . 

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© Lonzner Lonznor1 Loner ? A I asked naked the- 

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defendant Lensner Leunar Lennner nhat what ho knew know about it , went 'Went "went '" into the thing, ' 

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dltf d1d did you yo make that answer -I7bEl11eve 

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evening -- night might not have ba.v . been at ', that tha.t . particular pa.rt . ioular time t 1me.,. but- 

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that 

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that evening ev IDg I think tblnk we went firot first t rnt to Ililnitokyvs Milnitaky'a Ul1nltok ' houae house, and 8.nd 8.nand- . 

. dththen thsn then th n talked talke1 It over and got got. g 't. ' 

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d a3or pt1 n of 0 ;[ the tb e men'who men'viho men 'Vlh ' nere.aupwerescupnere.aup- Vlere werescu- , 

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_ to havo stolen otolen Troaif ror: ,. aiiith B l1th ? , A Yea. Y a . ' 

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deeor.lpt1on descr-iption 

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height of 

ao gat get got from him at the time. time.- tlm ., 

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", what desoription 

deoetr1ption 

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deco ription did Scith Bnith Smith 

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time 

'- give'to giveto to -to you 

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about the- 

ot the mnn man vho raho who > wao wai wa supposed eU'PPosod ' to havo have been b , Lonzner Lanznert Lanzner? 

h was about o.b . : ut five feet fact ft) five or six nix indhoa inohos ln h high. hish. high.: ' 

ask hi hi. hima.. 60 6o give you the description desoription or rather rathe rather- rather- 

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Ithe : the height of the man 'man maan ' who, was supposed 

.4id did 4id you aak ask1t about that7 that tha 1? A Yea , he gave that , 

he said waij waS hie his height height. heightw,. somewherea 

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whom he allec1 

called Nathan? A. . Yea. Yea.-3- 

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asked bim him to gl\Te give \ a des 

Milnitaky ? A I think we had Ul1 

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description of the man he oalJ. oa11 ..-: 

Miliiitaky 

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whom he oall calle d or supposed uppos' ; to.'h 

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of the man hom 

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. he say the man was ? A He fi 

' you sa.y say. 

It might. might might.have 

that in tb the magiotro.tets magistrate's 

. have been tbat. that. tbat.- that.- . 

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recollection and tel.1 tell. this jury what .t1i 

the oomplalnant 

complainant gave you of the ma man1 who 'faG was ' auppoood auprosed t o be be- 

Le Lenzner Le Lenzner zner , tho the man now' ' ' 

,- on 'trial" trial ", as asto to -to his height , weight and- 

other desoription description ? 

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dark ; he wore glaosea. glasses.. He was Jewioh Jewish Jewioh- Jewish- 

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tOUR! : I think the jury oan can patio peon 

THE Till COURT 

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boatbeat boat beat best description desoription 

deco ription he oould could give nivc" ISive'" ' 

veryovery very ouch ItUOb 

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1t now is 1s he rrao wa.a was 

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E"lAJlIWATIOI' 

EXAIIRATION 

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BY MR. Jm. R08EHBERG 

OBERBERG 

ROSENBERG : 

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handwriting 

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make up the document. dooument. 

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the eiomanta 61 elomt mAntk1 nta that tbs.t . go go. gogoto' .- to to' to- 

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oalled here today t9dfl. 

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D of! endant is ' Exhibit A,, la 10 

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asked you for your professional 

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he' he'asked asked 

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whether' ' in your opinion 

: ' a Exhibit A, 

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mE COURT COtm'l' ' ' ;: ''If'leu. If you ''you. 

want .nt 

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MR. HR., ROSEHBERat 

ROSEABERQ 

ROSENJ! m Ct HR 

Ir wont 

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material.material material., 

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THE COURT COUI'tT 

MR.. RDflEmBERG J.BEM3ERG 

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with with' with'D 

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examined Bxaa 1ned Pooplo'o People's. People's 

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piece of papor .paper 'papery 

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Exhibit EXh1blt 2 and Defendant's 

Dof DGf ndant's endant's 

Exh1bltt'( , >, gildh 

a , Exhibit Exhl it r, r- 

th Exhibits kno known ao as Pevploo- Peoplofo Peoplofo- ! 

' Exhibit At? A "' 

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tc? ctate 

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Peoplo Pevploo 

proleaslonal professional 

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: exex-ex-pe rienod rlenoe rienoe, and nJd. nJd.elve 

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. elve give uo us on an opinion as to t rfcether 1'Jhetber 

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aenass=ae poroon person p9 son who wrote People's Pooplo's ' Exhibit lb1t 1J. wrote People's Peoplats ' Ex EEx- 

E¬xhibithibit 2 and Defendant's Defendant 's ' Exhibit blbit 

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that 

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Tot nQ on this amount of material as it stands 9'tanda 

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ethis this 1this jury jurr, your professional roeas1ona.l 

- man manwho who -who wwrote ie Def8D Defendant's 

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detdefendant defendant. defendant det Bdaat. Bdaat.- 

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writing.thateIng.that- .that 

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you y .desire desire 

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ROSEriBERG : Yetr. TefT. Yea. Yetr.-. 

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..District- .D1striot- 

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_ 'Attorney 'Atto ey hero here heref111 will \f111 'rill \' admit pdmlt , that tha.t . the defendant wrote another- notJ? rpaper 

p per which "bloh " we 1f8 will w111 coll ot1l1 call D ef.3ndant'B ef.3ndantB ef.'Jndant of. ', .ndant's . 's ' Exhibit BT? . . , 

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willing that.to that. that. to bo ba be done will wl11' will- 

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COURTt: I' You had "batter 

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of your qumotion Q.ueation question 

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eidluda 8xcflude exdlude for or the puzpoaea 1'UPOssa purposen puzpoaeapurposen- ' % 

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aomplainu t/ ' ,. 

he complainant' 

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ROSENBERG : We .want . want to UB ueo that for tor the purposes 

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oomparison. comparison. *. 

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The h"8 dofondant defendant de!and ant admits < admll B having having. having.written. 

,. written.all- written. ,,1'1 all 

these pap rs with the exoeption exoeptlon exception of People's Peoples ' Exhibit Exh1blt lf- 1, 

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? vtiioh which ioh' ioh'is is the queationod queatloned questioned document document.., The hlJ ooinplainimt 

oomplaln1nt 

complainant 

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thin paper Defendant's Defendant fa 'e ' Exhibit A. A- *. 

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adjournmentnoY 

adjournmentnoq .now{ 

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ople'aople' ple'a , ' a Exlllblt Exhibit 1 T? A ' I oannot 

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othat that h" be" 18 is not. not ., 

preparod to Bnea.r swear . or to give va your ; profeetea opinion to this ;Jury : that at th the det defendant dant wrote Peo- Pe- 

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stands., 

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studying th.e the. pa.pers papers 

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writing of thlB this de defendant 

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of the hand- 

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this ' 

jury now as to- 

you preparf1d prepared 

: to give your opinion to th1's. th1s. . 

whether , or not this d6f defendant nda.nt . wrote the c110putad dioputed l'ap paper ' r80 , \80peo \' 8-- 

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EXALIr1ATION 

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Did you also' also'exanl1nB exanl1nB exarnino In oorinoot1on oonnotion 

o0 xoedad 

ed ad dooument document , Defendant 'e la ' EXhibit Dthibit AI. AI.and 

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p1nion opinion p1nion or to 8. a. conoluslon oanolusion an 

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from'thatrom from'that fromthat from'thatYblob 

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oona9m1ns.th 

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whether 

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Attorney Atto .y . that tha.t . I am willing wliling to have the wholo whole of the' the the'tthe- ' 

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deposition depo81tln deemed in evidence evidenoe and either aide olde may re- ¬- 

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.J&oo Jaoob J&oo & Jaoob Jacob 

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Hllnitsky Milnitsky 

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oo-defendant - ? Apell -pell woll" Walll woll"t"boro 

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Nathan ? A Ho Do No , 

man tho the defendant any money ? 

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whole 'who.le deposition dopaoitlon . 

fron f'rorA from ' startstar- S 

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and who was wan in oourt 

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nDJD9 name Nathan ment mentioned toned in this oaseT case ? 

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bunines 

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on Heater 

he eald aid ho he had a otoro otore.,. 

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with .with with " h this th10 matter ma.tt . or , how long longTwas \T \vraa. vraa.it . it 1t that tllU.t . you aaw sa" saw" him before ! thatiJj that- h t 

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raIlsfLOtion t ? A I didn't d1dn 

is th thd the first tirot time 

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you hadn't ' seen 

see e him about three thre- three- 

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outsido near the eeam Beam seam laundry 1aund17 laundry- 

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mnnlngrunning " In 10 my pluoe pl ; 6 that I am Wl1 runningtn mnnlng- : -" 

the next time timB that that. ,. you 

cane in in a6 . few days ,, 

you.. savr saw SQ ." him him" him' 

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: in a . week around around.*.; ., He H- 

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this time ? ' 

buay busy, 

lie li : came oame in again Qgs.ln" 

. , " you know. know . - HHe- Her Heoome coxae oome come ininIin- off! 10 io ea and Ir introduced introduoed him 11 C2 

"' to Kr Mr.,. "Siatfch 'S.ut'th 'Smii'h '* , whft 

. "hi whb "hif " ) waq eras \f \ ataystayataystay- - 

there there.He ther .; -. He lIe otartod aia.rt start ; . ad od to tall telltall him lm what business business' ' he is 10 in doing- 

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theythey. they they. they.mare 

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v/ara mare / -talking 1ialklng talking 

together togeth r.,. After 4fter 

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some appointment 

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How 110\1 Now\ ,, before flathan tlathan Nathan saw GaW Mr.. Smith, did 

: had h9.d . ooiae some goods to asell ell ? A Uo Xo No , air. oir. air ., . 

Q Did you Smith that tbl1.t . Nathan Ila.tbnn : . was wa an auctioneer 

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auotioneer ? 

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they took 

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abeut about a eut it.it.So it ., "- So ho heho'said hesaid said "Leave " it to to. to.mo . ao mo me ,- >, . I will wi1 willtake take -take you in- 

as 1\0 :\ partner. partne partner- .;. . ". so he h asked me meto to . raise ra.ise a fev/ feYI few fevthousand 

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game thing , in on an ice cream parlor some. Boma. some- 

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asked Smith Bm1tp. Bm1tp.Where 

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know kilo",. two twe weeks .eeko . ago I made .made 

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Did you yeu sea Bee see him hitn the next morning 

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( Did you knotnt that they were going to cat tiff's ' 

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without giving any merchandise ? _ A Abaolut Aboolutely 

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MSENBERGI 

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JlR. MR.. UA1lDELBAIDl 

MANDELBAUM : Wait. Wait . ' ae.. mini1to minute, 'lot 1 at h1 Min1 answer. answer- answer.-. 

a. little tti-U - tallerr 

with a. &. .big . 1lUotllche. nustache 

1lUotllche.- ., 

Is this llatban Nathan thin def'eDda def' emdant 1? A lo 2'0 !' , sir. sir.- sir ., 

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in this man who haG has been oall called Lenzner I , 1s is he the man ma- 

rofesrrod rrfd : ) to as an lifithan1 Nathan? A 110 No , ai r.- sir. ., 

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who was wan with 1Nathan 

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BSS sea "this. this. . There was _ .B . given mone 

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claim 

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dldn didn It 060 ace ace- 

'- third-man 'mo.n looked , not- 

Q Did Smith . o.a.lm 

A The th1rd third man an waS a big man mien , a tall man an d bla.o blaol . ; JIlUO- =a- 

taohe.. \ , 

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ZtANDELBAUMt- 

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wear glaaaea 

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Q Old Did you yo ever ever' ' 

" have any business bu81nia buainbaa dealings eaJ.lngQ . with this this" de de--j dej- - 

'f feadant 

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didn't dldn't ' Q04" saw aw" ' 

,him In my life l1f : . e that .that man. man .: ' . 

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. Q'Q ' Did you ever have any agreement agreemont with him bim' him' ' 

, to steal at oal eal this tbi this- 

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AJ.tI . ATrOll ; BY MR. JdR. DIROTZO DIR JIlZO -. 

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YouIntro Intro 1ntroduo duo ed Nathan Ka.than 

. to Smith t1 o.t . right ? 

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Q And And.hovf Andhow .l .,. on often 

otten did Nathan oome 

Smit, is that 

aome to the store to see soo seesoo- soo- see- 

SJ:11tb Smith SJ:11tb 

. : ' , to your 'your knowledge .knowledge 

,.know edgJ( , after you had introduced Introduoe 

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A. -A. A. ., I saw sew him about ab ut four 'tl'n5 ti'rn ' tlcso.tlcso.I 0. o.- . -" I think , they tbey' 

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togot four timoo. ., 

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they ' went out . ' 

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visits ' 

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twoen 

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b Smith and IJathan 

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lIathan1? A Yee Yea- Yea.- 

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A Two weeks time. time.- . 

oonvaroatl 

you heard beard conversations 

oonveroations 

oonveroations- ns- 

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% time did you yoU 'understand 'Understand thatv- that. that ., ' 

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.J.there wa , a.. business bua1nees buaineas deal batvroon ut\1Uon butwoon 

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: \ Smith and Nathan Jla.than 

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or the first 

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comp; © 

I' bu9i buiness fJas with with' Smith and xatma.a Nahhan7 Nahhan7-, 

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a. fo'l'l few' ' time times "h8l1 wheR " Smith. Smith . went out with th , Nathan , 

- -Listen 'Listen , I' made an appo01ntm6n 

appointment I' 

with Ilathan Nathan , 

Q Qo So Smith 'flB.Bwas. 'flB.B'the ' . -. ''the the 1rat first 

'going :! p61'aon person 

' that told you that he- 

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business lno8s with Nathan athan.l ., Is that that- a.t . 

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\Vhan Vhen \ tor for th' ' the' f'lJ; 

fi37at ' t t.lme time did 

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tthis this buoiness business bWt.sen bob ( .vreen ' Nathan and Smith 

to 1fathan. 1fathan.- . 

cp speak ak t. to. 

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Nathan about abou- 

didntt-talk didntttalk- tuJ.k . 

ever speak to Natbnn Nathan about the turohaao r ha.se 

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'with I1atha.n. 'and. . 

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Smith Smith- 

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Q Wh ' re waa th1s ice oream saloon1 .A' . On 9f1.th . street. street.- . 

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. ' Yu , ? go , to an loa orewn saloon on Seoond Avenue 

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between59th 

between-'- 59th and bOt 60th 60thstreet street 

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first t1me time ? A" Thls This wl1 was 

not noi not; the flrst first time, thi'o this' was aft after er,' . when Smith told :me me- ; 

Q Yes I , a1'ter after 

to 

some business between betwecm him and Nathan , dldn't didn't ' you. you., Smith and and- 

Nathan moat in an ioe Joe oroam cream saloon on S8ond Second 

:) Avenue between between- 

59th and 60th st trl , ; ., ? A, I am not remember what' whatwhatstreet. street.- . 

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' Smith told you 

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you that there "as was " 'goin going .to be- f. ; 

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TIe , are meet together, ye . ' " 

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AB.. waa Wl'8 were ' there any aay't.alk talk 'talk 

-buying -buying buying opmeailk DomeUk aomesilk _ 

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and yourself 

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. at thai tha.t that tha.t. 

time about purchasing/ purchasingr purokasing purchasingpurokasing- ? A 

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That time, yea. yea.I yea.- ., 

'any 

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Wall Was there any 

you elf ? A When' 

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other person there besides Nathan , Smith- 

1'hen ? ' (then' the samples s ples showed ? ' 

Yes, was a man. man.- man ., 

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at : that time that tb'at you undo underat 

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ties 

.,was V ties *' a.. perfefotly perfefotly' perf efotly ', legitimate eg1timat 

1 e transact transaotion ion? A Well W'll Wall W' 

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understood ratdod that this this'- 

ll , in 1n the the' the- ' 

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understood but after aft'or I didn't ' understood understood.,.; . 

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' ' At 'the the start . otn.rl. ,. the, first f1X'3t meeting me t1ng that the tho three of o! you you. you- . 

had in i this tbin loo ioe ice or oream cam eam saloon aa.loon 

. , ' was it your impression impreas1n at- 

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,that ,- that .that time timethat that -that this was a perfectly perfeotly perf eotly legitimate l lt1mate transaction transaot 

t1: saotlonT saotlonT- ion? 

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,. I am suspicious "this 

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sinain in , this line of business 

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suspioious on this 

yo told t 9ld Smith Sm1th , that th at ? A Yes Y .es *. 

t ell him im why ? A'Why 'Why 

bu nessi;, so 00 I askel a.eke:1 a.eke1 asked 

" business bualneos.,. 

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Ulm his opinion what doea dOH does doe- 

athis Hthis sthis this mean me ,. some 80JD9 silk buying and bargains , and this and this thloj; 

.00 . so he said oa.1d . "You .You ". leave it to me , I an am making enough money, I- 

know know.that what -.that 

- . I am doing. ". . 

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BU pio ous that it waon't wasn't 

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transaction transaction? 

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tYea Yes Yea, because beo us"e 

' a . legitimate legitimate. . 

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proit. profit 

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,- they showed me metoo too -too much profit.- ! ..; " ; 

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uuoh profit. 

Q You were suspicious auspioious ? A Yes Yes.*., 

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How low Now ] , when did you meet again after aft or that day ?! 

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,: anotherice ioe aroan cream saloon between 911th th and and- ' 

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Streyt street'? ' A- 

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..Baohman Bachman Baohman ns.ohm .ns.ohm Bachman 

. n, is 1 that that. that . 

Of the buvjinooo buwlness. 

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95th Btreat After thla this onoe/ onoeand onoe /; and after this onoe onoa more niore moreniore- when we give away awo.y . tne the money. money money.- ., 

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There ! woo wan " it you met Uiet ' 

thio thin onae once more? 

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Was vi ima that ' -' the next nuxt day ? -A 'AA 

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it was wa.s wad . not a legitimate tranaao tranaa- tram 

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8usplo1ouOT auspicious ? A .I was ouoploious auouloioua. auspicious 

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yo come came 

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,thouoand. ou ., nd.dolla1'8lri 

nd.dolla18lri 

.dollara' , in oaoh 00.$1 

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handed handoo over to Hathon llathan Nathan >, is 10 that right ? 

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fl'Om ' Smith in the morning 

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mo ming nine o'clock. o'clock.- 0 'olook.- ' . 

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Objectionoverruled.- 

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buy buy.the .the swag owagT? A Well , there was fifteen tift een thousand ousand t dollars dollar dollars- dollars- 

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Tea Yeas, he was supostd supposed $ to sell ; he ffanta take- 

3?: it' It homo it'' home the'goods the-goods. thegoods.- 

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polioa were going to be around there when- 

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ho he .a .oent ent me along and he h e ' 

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ROSENBEHG On ::::; of Smith g1 

examination as follows follows- 

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"Q -Q "- Q How Bo" Now", after you talked with Milnitsky Uilnftsky ) ,; did.. you'meet you'meet- you' 

After 

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' AI/I II / ,talked : with Miluitsky Ul1nitoky Milnitoky I did not meet meet- eet- 

anybody anybodf eloe 

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omee some esome 

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bow long after ? .A ., A It wau WllU. . ' 

about abo'ut 

me kind of or business and thrtn 

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being ba1ng on the at and ands- d, 

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Mllnltoky M11nltok Iilnitaky ) to meat meet me t you on lion Uonday Monday day ? 

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there 18 is a variance varianoe between botwalo'.n '. the oral o.ral . testimony teatimony of of' ' 

thetheothepmpcomplainant opmp 

' complainant dinant ao 'as given upon this thin trial trlL with things nhioh "blah rihioh nhioh"blahrihioh- " 

hebe he be eaya.thf saYB"th says.the ." * complainant 

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testimony 

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att'ent1 

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.,- WaD oolled oalled called oalledcalledoolled- n .was -was 

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explude it ,; I offer inevidence "QvIdenoe -evidence 

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Iwhioh which whioh I do not . read in the .the presence proGenoe of tho Jury'i jurY ' 

butbUtaskae ask ae . 

that th .t. . the stenographer enographor st take down.. I offer oft er in 1n evievi.evi- - 

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., denoodanae the following fo11oYflng portion 'portion of tha the ha testimony t e timony of Oftiocr Ort1a orris Oftiocr- Dr rr Drr- 

John rJ John 1'1. ' 11. 17. . Frazer given upon upo the magistrates 

maglstra.tEho 

magist rat . eo , hearing hea.ring . 

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MR. Jm. Un ., PAHQAR PARGAR 

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PANGAR : The entire record is 

MR. UR. R08K7IBERG 

R08tmBER < ? : It ia 

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say ono one who gets property under certain circumstance's 

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circumstance'soiroumetanods' 

and, under unde that count oount in the tho they indictment indiotment'- ' indictment- 

which : charges ohargeo the defendant defandant with the crime orime of Q :! grand sran sranlgrandaro.ony laro.ony la.ro 

termine 

. .eny in the Hirst tirut first degree dogree , you are ar arc required requied % '- to to' tode. -de.- dede.e¬-.termine termina whether Jacob J&.oob &. Lonzner ;onzner was a thief thief'' on onthe the -the 

Deoember 'Deoember Deoember December 

' , of 1919 when , according nooord ng . , 

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takes th possession poosesa1on of the true t1'U' owner ownor or of any- 

: other person poroon , or obtains from trom ouch posoea ion by color- 

or aid of fraudulent or o'r or false . representations 

rfroreaent - .t1ons 

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withholds or appropriates appropriate to his bis own 01fD use or that of- 

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plaining plaiains , witness and '- reaelved reoelved received It from the hands honds' handshandsof of the the- 

thief 

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thief', and that It was flao 

guilty of' 'the tbe qrlm oX'lm orime 

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that he h did receive re eive it from- 

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be both Loth tho the th tliiof thief' thief'cUl.d arid cUl.d axed . t'he the 

reoeivor rooelvor receiver rooelvor'- receiver- 

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In"hIo this hIo thishIo- cas e of bot the crime orime of ofgrand in- 

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undarot8ndo' undarot8ndo'it 

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raoeiye money ao aD as described degorlbod de3oribod by- 

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have oaid iUlid 'asdiscloseddinuloaed 

disclosed diauloaed dinuloaed by the 'the ' testimony testimony. . in this oaae oa.se case . upon prior oc00oo- ' ., * - , . 

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uwill will recall reo all allthat what \that \ liilnitksy Uilnitkay Milnitkay is is' issaid said -said to have said Bald in the - 

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' magistrate's maglotrat e ' 0 court oourt when questioned respecting respeoting the alnlal , 

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