China seminar - Slide presentation - 28 September 2000 - SABMiller

China 

Graham Mackay 

SAB Chief Executive 

28 September 2000

Agenda for today 

11.00am 

11.30am 

12.00pm 

12.45pm 

1.45pm 

Graham Mackay 

Frank - Ning Gaoning CRE Chairman 

Chris Barrow - SABI Asia MD 

Break for lunch 

Chris Barrow - contd

Agenda for today 

2.30pm 

3.00pm 

3.30pm 

4.00pm 

4.30pm 

6.30pm 

Humor - Wang Qun CREB MD 

Tea 

Jonathan Solesbury - SABI Asia FD 

Andre Parker - SABI Africa & Asia MD 

Graham Mackay 

Cocktails & dinner

South African Breweries plc 

SAB plc 

Graham Mackay 

Chief Executive 

Beer South Africa 

Norman Adami 

SABI Asia & Africa 

Andre Parker 

SABI Europe 

Mike Simms 

Other Beverages 

Alan Clark 

Hotels & Gaming 

Ron Stringfellow

Strategy Update 

! South Africa 

! Emerging markets 

! Major transactions

Xinjiang Uygur Zizhiqu 

Gansu 

Qing Hai 

Ürümqi 

Xining 

Xinzang Zizhiqu (Tibet) 

Lhasa 

Ningxia 

Huizu 

Zizhiqu 

Lanzhou 

Hohhot 

Xi’an 

Shaanxi 

Sichuan 

Sichuan 

Mianyang 

Mianyang 

Chongqing 

Chongqing 

Chengdu 

Chengdu 

Yunnan 

Kunming 

Guizhou 

Guiyang 

Nanning 

Gunagxi 

Zhuangzu 

Zizhiqu 

Hunan 

Changsha 

Jiangxi 

Nanchang 

Fujian 

Fuzhou 

Hubei 

Wuhan 

Zhejiang 

Zhangzhou 

Shanghai 

Shanghai 

Jiangsu 

Anhui 

Nanjing 

Heifei 

Henan 

Zhengzhou 

Shandong 

Qingdao 

Hebei 

Shanxi 

Taiyuan 

Tianjin 

Zhangjiakou 

Beijing 

Liaoning 

Liaoning 

Shenyang 

Shenyang 

Jilin 

Jilin 

Changchun 

Changchun 

Inner 

Mongolia 

Heilongjiang 

Harbin 

Russia 

Russia 

Kazakhstan 

Kazakhstan 

Pakistan 

Pakistan 

Taiwan 

Taipei 

Guandong 

Guandong 

Guangzhou 

Guangzhou 

Shenzhen 

Shenzhen 

Haikou 

Hainan 

Mongolia 

Mongolia 

India 

India 

Nepal 

Nepal 

Korea 

Korea 

Bhutan 

Bhutan 

Burma 

Burma 

Laos 

Laos 

Vietnam 

Vietnam 

Russia 

Russia 

Hong 

Kong

Key Questions 

! Value 

! Permanence 

___________ 

! Mechanism 

! Implications

For while the tired waves, vainly breaking, 

Seem here no painful inch to gain, 

Far back through creeks and inlets making 

Comes, silent, flooding in, the main 

A.H. Clough - “Say Not the Struggle Nought Availeth”

“Imponderables” 

! Core competence 

! China “challenge”

Business Model 

Partners & 

Partnership 

SAB 

Competence 

Basic 

Strategic 

Choices 

Development

Partners & Partnership 

! Unique strength 

! Two-way way street 

Partners & 

Partnership 

Basic 

Strategic 

Choices 

SAB 

Competence 

! Chinese operational strengths 

Development 

! Management substance

SAB Competence 

! Involvement 

! Flexibility, pragmatism 

Partners & 

Partnership 

Basic 

Strategic 

Choices 

SAB 

Competence 

! Measurements & controls 

Development 

! Performance management

Strategic choices 

! Second tier regions 

! Mainstream brands 

Partners & 

Partnership 

Basic 

Strategic 

Choices 

SAB 

Competence 

! Costs 

Development

Development 

! Geographic stronghold 

! Affordable, progressive quality 

Partners & 

Partnership 

Basic 

Strategic 

Choices 

SAB 

Competence 

! Brand portfolio development 

Development 

! Sales & distribution development 

! Management substance

Graham Mackay 

Q&A


Ning Gaoning known as “Frank” 

CRE Chairman 


China Resources 

The PRC State 

Govt 

CRH Hldgs 

Other Portfolio 

CRE (Listed) 

Food & Bev 

Property 

Retail & Dist 

Infrastructure 

Fin Serv

China Resources Enterprise Ltd 

! CRE Background 

! Driving principles 

! Bridge between China and the World 

! Recent restructuring; continued focus on beverages

Joint venture between CRE & SAB 

! Why SAB? 

" Same strategic thinking 

! Initial stages difficult 

! Joint authorisation 

! Catalyst for change in breweries 

" management 

" processes 

! Joint venture selects and trains local managers

Outlook for China 

! Difficult trading conditions over past 5 years 

! Economy showing signs of recovery 

! World Trade Organisation 

! Future expectations

Ning Gaoning 

Q&A


Chris Barrow 

SABI Asia MD & CREB Executive Director 


∪ 

∪ 

Ni hao!

∪ 

Ni hao ma? 

You good?

Introduction 

! ma - neutral - Question word 

! ma - high flat - Mother 

! ma - rising - Plant (hemp) 

∪ 

! ma - falling/rising - Horse 

! ma - falling - Scold 

Mum rides the horse, the horse is slow, 

mum scolds the horse.

SABI Asia structure 

Hong Kong office 

! Finance 

! Marketing 

! Human Resources 

! India 

! China

China team in Shenyang 

! Technical 

" Production generalist 

" Project engineer 

" Production specialists 

! Marketing, Sales & Distribution 

" Distribution 

" Brands 

! Commercial 

" Finance 

" Business development

What is different about China? 

! Regionality

Six Regions of China 

Russia 

Russia 

Pakistan 

Kazakhstan 

India 



Nepal 

North- West 

Gansu 

Qinghai 

South- West 

Bhutan 

Burma 

Mongolia 

Yunnan 

Ningzia 

Huizu 

Zizhiqu 

Sichuan 

Laos 

Shaanxi 

North 

Shanxi 

Guizhou 

Gunagxi 

Zhuangzu 

Zizhiqu 

Henan 

Hubei 

Hunan 

South 

Hainan 

Inner 

Mongolia 

Beijing 

Tianjin 

Hebei 

Shandong 

Anhui 

Jiangxi 

Guandong 

Liaoning 

Jiangsu 

Shanghai 

East 

Zhejiang 

Fujian 

Hong 

Kong 

Heilongjiang 

North 

East 

Jilin 

Korea 

Taipei 

Taiwan 

Vietnam Vietnam

Europe & China

What is different about China? 

! Regionality 

!Seasonality 

!Overcapacity 

!Infrastructure 

!Distances 

!Communication 

!Culture/etiquette 

!Cuisine

Source: EIU 

Highlights from China….. 

1996 1999 2002 

Population (bn( 

bn) 1.22 1.26 1.29 

Urbanisation 29% 30% 31% 

GDP (US$bn 

bn) 817 976 1 308 

GDP growth rate 9.6% 7.1% 8.0% 

GDP per capita (US$) 670 780 1 010 

GDP per capita (US$ppp 

ppp) 3 360 4 280 5 520

Source: EIU 

Further highlights….. 

1996 1999 2002 

National Savings Ratio 40.5% 43.5% 43.8% 

Net FDI (US$bn 

bn) 38.1 37.2 56.3 

Interest rate (prime) 10.1% 5.9% 7.0% 

Currency (RMB : US$) 8.3 8.3 8.3 

Consumer price inflation 8.3% (1.3%) 3.5%

Conclusion 

! Large market of consumers 

! Growing “wealth” 

! Increasing disposition to consume 

! Strong inward investment 

" into China 

" into “West” 

! Stable economic background

History of beer consumption 

250 

200 

150 

100 

Beer vols (m hl) 

50 

0 

1949 1976 1980 1991 1999 2002(f) 

Source: Canadean

Industry characteristics 

! Currently 500 breweries (in 1995 = 800) 

! 19 produce more than 2 million hls h s pa 

! 106 produce more than 0.5 million hls h s pa 

! 106 ⇒ 70% of output 

! Excess capacity ≈ 50 million hlsh 

Source: Canadean

Per capita consumption- litres/cap 

- on an upward trend 

40 

35 

30 

25 

20 

15 

10 

5 

North East 

East 

North 


South 

North West 

South West 

0 

1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 

Source: Canadean

Production per region (% of total) 

45 

40 

35 

30 

25 

20 

15 

10 

5 

0 

1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 

East 

South 

North East 

North 

South West 

North West 

Source: Canadean

Competitor 

Locations 

Pakistan 

Kazakhstan 

India 

Ürümqi 



Nepal 

Russia 

Lhasa 

Bhutan 

✪ Anheuser-Busch (1) 

● Heineken (Asia Pacific Breweries) (3) 

▼ Carlsberg (2) 

✭ Asahi (8) 

✤ Danone (2) 

❖ Interbrew (2) 

♣ San Miguel (3) 

➲ Suntory (2) 

✸ Tsingtao (25) 

✷ Yanjing (3) 

Gansu 

Qing Hai 

Xining 

CHINA 

Burma 

Lanzhou 

Sichuan 

Kunming 

Mongolia 

Yunnan 

Laos 

Ningxia 

Huizu 

Zizhiqu 

Hohhot 

✸ 

Xi’an 

Shaanxi 

Mianyang 

Chengdu 

Congqing 

Guiyang 

Guizhou 

✭ 

Liaoning 

✸✤ 

Beijing 

✭ ✸ 

✷✷ ✸ Tianjin 

Taiyuan Hebei 

♣ ✸ 

✸ 

✭✭ 

Shandong 

✸✸✸✸ 

Henan ✸✸✸ 

❖ ✸ 

Nanjing➲ 

Zhengzhou 

✸Anhui 

✸ Heifei 

✸✸ 

▼●➲ 

✤✪ 

✸ 

✭✭ 

Zhangjiakou 

Shanxi 

Hubei Wuhan 

Jiangxi 

Changsha 

Hunan 

Gunagxi 

Zhuangzu 

Zizhiqu 

Nanning 

● 

Inner 

Mongolia 

❖▼ 

♣♣ 

✸ 

✭✭ 

Haikou 

Hainan 

✷ 

Nanchang 

Guandong 

Guangzhou 

Shenzhen 

Hong 

Kong 

Jiangsu 

Zhejiang 

Fuzhou 

Fujian 

✸ 

✸ 

Heilongjiang 

Harbin 

● 

Jilin 

Changchun 

Shenyang 

Russia 

Shanghai 

Korea 

Zhangzhou 

Taipei 

Taiwan 

Vietnam Vietnam

Beer market characteristics 

! 640ml returnable bottle = pack of choice 

! Growth in 330ml glass & can 

! Light lager 3.5 - 5% ABV 

! 70% beer consumed with meals 

! Very small, but growing pub culture 

! Logistics

Government involvement 

! Simple tax regime 

! Few restrictive laws 

! Foreign structures 

! Protection to 10 Chinese breweries 

! Distribution restricted 

! State Owned Enterprise breweries

Chris Barrow 

Q&A


Chris Barrow 

SABI Asia MD & CREB Executive Director 


SAB in China 

! We are winning: 

" vs competitors 

" vs initial budgets 

! Our measurement: 

" individual brewery Return on Investment 

" positioning for future China growth 

! Currently a low margin industry: 

" US$ per hlh 

profitability 

" consolidated EVA

Key differentiators 

! South African heritage/culture 

! Geographic focus 

! Local brand focus 

! Cost and margin focus 

! SAB approach 

! Partners 

! CREB structure

South African heritage/culture 

! “Emerging” market experience 

! Culture diversity/sensitivity 

! Newness in the global arena 

! Pioneering spirit

Geographic focus 

! High per capita North East (start)

CREB Locations - China 

Russia 

Wang Hua 

Russia 

Shenyang Snowflake 

Heilongjiang 

Harbin 

Kazakhstan 

Pakistan 

India 

Ürümqi 



Nepal 

Mianyang 

Lhasa 

Chengdu C’estbon 

Gansu 

Qing Hai 

Bhutan 

Xining 

Mongolia 

Lanzhou 

Sichuan 

Kunming 

Yunnan 

Anshan 

Ningxia 

Huizu 

Zizhiqu 

Hohhot 

Xi’an 

Shaanxi 

Henan 

Zhengzhou 

Nanjing 

Heifei 

Mianyang 

Hubei 

Anhui 

Zhangzhou 

Chengdu 

Wuhan 

Chongqing 

Jiangxi Zhejiang 

Changsha 

Nanchang Fuzhou 

Hunan 

Fujian 

Guiyang 

Guizhou 

Shenyang 

Zhangjiakou 

Liaoning 

Beijing 

Tianjin 

Taiyuan Hebei 

Qingdao 

Shandong 

Shanxi 

Gunagxi 

Zhuangzu 

Zizhiqu 

Nanning 

Inner 

Mongolia 

Guandong 

Guangzhou 

Shenzhen 

Jiangsu 

Jilin 

Changchun 

Tianjin 

Shanghai 

Jilin 

Dalian 

Korea 

Taipei 

Taiwan 

Burma 

Laos 

Haikou 

Hainan 

Hong 

Kong 

Shenzhen 

C’estbon 

Vietnam Vietnam

Geographic focus 

! High per capita North East (start) 

! Lower levels of competition in second tier cities 

! Concentrated consumer base 

! Important operations for local government 

! Regional distribution easier than national

Local brand focus 

! Didn’t introduce foreign brand 

! Segmenting the market differently

Market Segmentation and Growth 

Share 

Retail price 

Import premium 0.5% 10+ 

Foreign licensed 10% 10+ 

Local premium 4% 4-5 

Local mainstream 35.5% 2-3 

Local low price 50% 1.5-2 

! Highest growth achieved in the mid-range price brand: 3-83 

8 RMB 

! The market is dominated by local mainstream beers

Local brand focus 

! Didn’t introduce foreign brand 

! Segmenting the market differently 

! Riding economies of scale

Costs and margin focus 

! Low cost of capacity 

" initial entry 

" upgraded effectively 

" high capacity utilisation

Costs and margin focus 

! Low cost of capacity 

" initial entry 

" upgraded effectively 

" high capacity utilisation 

! Low operating costs 

" few expats 

" economies of scale 

" lower wage costs 

" targeted distribution/marketing spend

SAB approach 

! Top executive involvement 

! Human Resource pool 

! Proven systems 

! South Africa visits

Partner 

! “Purple” chip 

! Focused on People’s Republic of China 

! Diversification benefits 

! Credibility 

! Other foreign partners

CREB structure 

! Joint management and authorisation process 

! Regular Board meetings 

! SAB expats support on the ground 

! CREB managers run the day to day operations 

! Use of teams for key issues

Key differentiators 

! South African heritage/culture 

! Geographic focus 

! Mainstream local beer focus 

! Cost and margin focus 

! SAB approach 

! Partners 

! CREB structure 

Winning formula for China

Going forward... 

! Continued consolidation in the industry 

! Increased competition 

! Key issues for value 

" brands 

" distribution 

" human resources 

" acquisitions/growth

Conclusion 

! Robust, workable strategy 

! Solid foundation 

! Forward looking - flexible 

! Committed to profitability 

! Excellent partners 

! Good working relationship 

Well positioned for future growth

Chris Barrow 

Q&A

Supplementary slides

Per capita consumption 

1995 1996 1997 

1998 1999 

China (l/cap)( 

13.0 13.8 15.3 15.8 16.6 

North 17.2 18.5 22.0 24.0 21.8 

North East 27.3 25.6 29.3 30.5 33.8 

East 17.7 18.5 22.0 24.0 21.8 

South 7.9 8.0 9.5 11.0 11.2 

South West 4.0 5.0 4.3 5.3 8.3 

North West 5.4 5.8 6.9 7.0 8.2 

Source: Canadean


Wang Qun known as “Humor“ 

Humor” 

CREB MD 


Partnership with SAB 

! Extensive involvement of SAB expatriates 

! Joint authorisation on key issues 

! Most decision making powers remaining 

with local managers

Operational Successes 

! Management reorganisation: 

" right person for the right job 

! Total managerial responsibility 

! Deeper understanding of quality 

! Better pay and conditions for top managers 

! Realistic improvement targets

Operational Challenges 

! Characteristics of State Owned Enterprises 

" sole focus on production 

! Difficulties experienced during purchasing 

! Difficulties experienced after purchasing 

" relationship between employees and management 

" a different understanding of quality 

" input vs output: an unbalanced view 

" irrational remuneration 

" lack of skills

Conclusion 

! Ideal parents: SAB and CRE 

! Profound understanding of China’s situation 

! Greater focus on human resources 

! Faster progress than our competitors’

Wang Qun 

Q&A


Jonathan Solesbury 

SABI Asia FD & CREB Exec Director 


CREB Locations 

2000 Wang Hua 

1994 Shenyang 

1996 Shenyang Winery 

Harbin 

2000 Anshan 

Shenyang 

1998 

Jilin 

Beijing 

1996 

Dalian 

1999 

Tianjin 

Shanghai 

Mianyang 

Chengdu 

1997 

Mianyang 

Hong 

Kong 

1996 

Shenzhen

Beer sales volume & capacity 

12000 

10000 

Sales vol (000 hls) 

Capacity (000 hls) 

8000 

6000 

4000 

2000 

0 

F96 F97 F98 F99 F00 F00(a)

Price of beer, relative to other countries, 

is the amongst the lowest at 40c a litre 

Typical retail prices per litre in US$ 


South Africa 

Czech 

Hungary 

Germany 

Poland 

0.4 

1.1 

1.2 

1.3 

1.6 

1.8 

Australia 

USA 

UK 

Japan 

2.2 

2.5 

4 

4 

0 0.5 1 1.5 2 2.5 3 3.5 4 4.5

…relatively speaking, beer is 

affordable.. 

Minutes worked to buy 1litre of beer 

Germany 

USA 

Australia 

Japan 


UK 

Hungary 

Czech 

South Africa 

Poland 

Romania 

Zimbabwe 

Kenya 

10 

15 

20 

25 

28 

40 

48 

58 

60 

150 

155 

600 

1800 

1 10 100 1000 10000

…particularly compared to other 

beverages……. 

Units of product affordable for 1 day’s work 

Beer 0.64ltr 

18 

Water 0.6ltr 

16 

Soft Drinks 0.34ltr 

14 

Chinese wine 0.5ltr 

8.5 

0 5 10 15 20

In conclusion….. 

! Relative to other countries beer is inexpensive 

! Relative to other beverages beer is affordable 

Affordability drives consumption

Taxation 

Supportive tax regime 

! VAT @ 17% 

! Excise at $ 2.68 / hlh 

! Income tax 

" base rate 33% 

" investment incentives 

– geographic zones 

– industry 

– foreign investment

Funding Expansion 

! Expansion funded internally 

! Reinvestment of dividends 

" within People’s Republic of China 

" outside People’s Republic of China 

! Use of local borrowings 

" decrease cost of capital 

" low cost 

" natural hedge 

! Strong balance sheet 

" low gearing

Case Study 

SHENYANG

Shenyang 

! First acquired 1994 

! Snowflake and Winery 

" original capacity : 2 300 000 hls h 

" current capacity : 4 400 000 hls h 

" current sales: 4 050 000 hls h 

! New acquisition - Wang Hua 

" current capacity : 500 000 hls h 

" expansion to 1 000 000 hls h

Improving Margins 

25 

25% 

20 

20% 

15 

10 

15% 

10% 

Revenue/hl 

EBIT % 

5 

5% 

0 

F96 F97 F98 F99 F00 

0%

With fixed and variable costs being 

managed down…. 

12 

11 

10 

US$/hl 

9 

8 

7 

6 

5 

F96 F97 F98 F99 F00 

Year 

Variable Cost 

Fixed Cost

Our spend on marketing has been 

increasing….. 

12 

10 

% of Sales 

8 

6 

4 

2 

0 

F96 F97 F98 F99 F00 

Year 

Sales & Marketing

..and we have managed to achieve 

dramatic increases in productivity…. 

1200 

1100 

1000 

Hl/Man 

900 

800 

700 

600 

500 

F96 F97 F98 F99 F00 

Year 

Productivity

..leading to positive EVA by year 3 

at Shenyang 

ROCE% 

18 

16 

14 

12 

10 

8 

6 

4 

2 

0 

F96 F97 F98 F99 F00 

Shenyang 

WACC

Experience curve 

! Incorporated into standards and policies 

! Transferred learnings successfully across 

operations, assisted by: 

" closely integrated business 

" absolute control 

" local management transferred between operations 

" central pool of core specialists 

! Allowing us to achieve positive results more 

quickly

Conclusion 

! Portfolio of businesses in different stages 

! Established businesses profitable 

! New businesses trending on the same path 

! Focus on margins per hlh 

! Strong balance sheet to fund future growth

Jonathan Solesbury 

Q&A

Supplementary Slides

Investment History 

Investment 

Date of 

Investment 

Percentage Interest 

Effective Ownership 

Capacity 2000 

(in '000 hlsh 

for Peak 2000) 

Clear Beer 

Shenyang Snowflake 1994 44% 

Shenyang Winery 1996 44% 

4 400 

Dalian 1996 49% 1 800 

Jilin 1998 44% 2 400 

Mianyang 1997 49% 1 500 

Tianjin 1999 45% 1 500 

Anshan 2000 44% 800 

Wang Hua 2000 39% 500 

Non Beer 

Purified Water 1996 49% 1 800 

Soymilk 1998 49% 200

Brands 

Beer consumption by leading brands 1996-99 

000's 

1996 1997 1998 1999 

168,847 188,592 196,950 204,622 

1 Yanjing 

Beijing Janjing Beer Group 

5,710 7,030 7,780 8,600 

2 Zhujiang 

Zhujiang Brewery Group 

2,562 3,505 4,616 7,146 

3 Snowflake 

CREB 

3,015 2,978 3,199 4,695 

4 Tsingtao 

Tsingtao 

3,185 3,897 3,700 4,500 

5 Blue Sword 

Sichuan Blue Sword Brewing Company 

1,300 1,599 2,553 4,280 

6 Gold Star 

Henan Gold Star Brewery 

1,500 1,650 2,200 4,084 

7 Harbin 

Harbin Brewery 

1,600 2,529 3,154 4,027 

8 Chongqing 

Chongqing Brewery 

2,381 2,724 3,478 3,510 

9 Jinglongquan 

Golden Lion (Chocolate Products) Malaysia 1,613 2,226 3,129 3,058 

10 Xingyingge 

Danone Asia 2,200 2,500 3,000 2,918 

11 Shenquan 

12 Pabst Blue 

Ribbon 

13 Sankong 

14 Haomen 

15 Qianjiang 

16 Kingway 

17 Baoji 

18 Zhonglou 

19 Liquan 

20 Amber 

Anhui Shenquan Brewery 1,100 2,255 2,528 2,575 

Noble China / Blue Ribbon China Group 

2,330 2,274 2,337 2,575 

Shandong Sankong Brewery 1,469 1,641 1,714 2,215 

Danone Asia 1,500 1,830 2,480 2,202 

Qianjiang Brewery 2,440 2,354 2,306 2,000 

Guangdong Brewery Holdings Ltd 1,253 1,370 1,838 2,000 

Shaaxi Western Brewing Group 1,400 1,620 1,791 1,850 

Zuanhua Beer Co Ltd 980 1,500 1,621 1,700 

Liquan Beer Co Ltd 630 900 1,427 1,550 

Guangdong Brewery Holdings Ltd 1,360 1,478 1,431 1,500 

Total Volume Top 20 Brands 39,528 47,860 56,282 66,985 

Total Share Top 20 Brands 23.40% 25.40% 28.60% 32.70%


André Parker 

SABI Africa & Asia MD 


From Mount 

Kilimanjaro….

….to the The 

Great Wall of 

China!

First Impressions 

! Although the market is vast, individual consumers are 

poor - affordability is an issue 

! China should not be seen as one homogenous market 

but rather as a grouping of regional markets 

! The country is ancient, history runs deep and the 

people are proud

First Impressions 

! China is fascinating, exciting, complex and difficult 

! A society in transition under state supervision 

and leadership 

! Experience elsewhere has limited relevance when it 

comes to understanding the consumer and getting 

things done in China 

! A credible dynamic partner is essential

Our ambition 

Become the brewer of choice 

in China;

Our joint venture 

partnership is the key

Andre Parker 

Q&A


Graham Mackay 

SAB Chief Executive 


Where to from here? 

! Pricing environment? 

! First tier regions? 

! National brands? 

! Consolidation?

Graham Mackay 

Q&A

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