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Hi guys, first of all, this isn't new but all info is spread over there and it's a bit difficult to get all<br />
info together so i made this post<br />
1# buy some Vagcom cable KKL 409.1, just 8 ***8364; + shipping from ebay, ask the seller if it<br />
has the chip FT232RL. why? well basically because that chip support software mods.<br />
2# As my 530d do not have odb2 connector, I order a cable adapter from obd2 to 20 pin bmw,<br />
ebay seller is ( Car.Doctor ) another 8 ***8364; + shipping.<br />
I preferred to catch it on ebay, because it was more comfortable and cheaper than going to<br />
catch the pieces out there, also for those wishing to DIY, I leave the chart with specific<br />
connections.<br />
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3# Open your vagcom and solder obd2 pins 7 and 8, which are the K lines, otherwise you will<br />
not be able to access to all modules from the car<br />
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4# If you have buyed vagcom with ftdi 232 rl, for the software mod, you will need this driver<br />
"CDM 4.2.1916 WHQL certified" , so unpack it, connect the cable, and install all with this driver.<br />
Now we need to adjust the serial port, press the Windows key and Pause (both), then follow<br />
these images (sorry my XP is in spanish language)<br />
Select com1 and 1 or 2 ms of latency<br />
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5# Download the "M. Prog 3.5" to modify the programming of the eeprom FT232RL,<br />
we need to invert RI # and DSR # signals to fool the detection of battery and ignition, in order<br />
to be able to encode.<br />
Run mprog and follow this steps<br />
check your I / O Controls settings, them must be like this:<br />
#C0 = RXLED<br />
#C1 = TXLED<br />
#C2 = PWRON<br />
#C3 = PWRON<br />
#C4 = SLEEP<br />
and do this<br />
now you should see black dots<br />
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21st September, 2010, 03:07 PM #2<br />
if your vagcom comes with ft232bm/bl chips, don't worry you only need to do some work<br />
for those chips<br />
pin 17 is GND<br />
pin 18 is RI<br />
pin 20 is DSR<br />
so you need to solder pins 17,18 and 20 of the FTDI chip (this applies to the BL and BM) like<br />
this<br />
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but if we want some REAL battery and ingnition detect, we must do this circuit<br />
Note: if you don't do this circuit you will not be able to do CAR KEY MEMORY<br />
1 resistance of 4.7 kohm<br />
1 resistance of 10 kohm<br />
1 transistor BC546<br />
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in ft232bm/bl, it look like this<br />
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In case anyone wants to do it in the FT232RL here are the outputs of the chip.<br />
Note: This <strong>interface</strong> supports cars from 96/98 to March 2007<br />
it work's with inpa,dis,sss, carsoft 6.1.4 and navcoder also<br />
For the navcoder you usually need a RESLER <strong>interface</strong> but you don't really need it<br />
The Resler <strong>interface</strong> works with 4 outputs (ibus, 12v, gnd and NTSC) NTSC signal is used to the<br />
camera and as we don't have the chip for its management, just forget about it.<br />
With this in mind, connect three cables as follows<br />
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OBD2 connector pin 16 to 12v Positive cable<br />
OBD2 connector pin 7 to I-Bus cable<br />
OBD2 connector pin 4 or 5 to negative (gnd) cable<br />
Anyway just plug it into your obd2 and start navcoder or connect it to your cd changer or<br />
radio, whatever.<br />
you could search in wds for your car wires you will need 12v, gnd, and i-bus wich is usually a<br />
white and yellow cable<br />
now you can use navcoder or other i-bus software<br />
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Nice job mate,<br />
Very usefull, and well explained.<br />
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Excelent job m8!!!<br />
I will try it.<br />
Very interesting solution!!!<br />
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hello!<br />
nice job..great post<br />
i have some question for you.<br />
tell me please...the reverse signal #RI and #DSR is availble only for FT232RL , or to<br />
be made and the FT232BM/BL ?<br />
thank`s in advance<br />
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Originally Posted by azazell<br />
hello!<br />
nice job..great post<br />
i have some question for you.<br />
tell me please...the reverse signal #RI and #DSR is availble only for<br />
FT232RL , or to be made and the FT232BM/BL ?<br />
thank`s in advance<br />
FTDI232BM/BL DON'T SUPPORT SOFTWARE MOD, so you need to do it hardware,<br />
that's why you must solder chip pins 17,18 and 20.<br />
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thank you<br />
after i write the message i find the answer<br />
yes,i soldering the pins 17,18,20 with rezistance and transistor an it`s working.<br />
the test machine it was a <strong>BMW</strong> 320TD 2004 and the software i use is ""<strong>BMW</strong> <strong>INPA</strong><br />
5.02 & EDIABAS 6.47 "" (63 Mb) - i confirm its working fine<br />
thank`s for usefull post<br />
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Thanks for this excellent info!<br />
Do the USB-<strong>interface</strong>s have the same chips? If not, is it possible to modifiy the<br />
USB-IFs to?<br />
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Hello friends, where can I find the <strong>BMW</strong> <strong>INPA</strong> 5:02 & 6:47 EDIABAS "(63 Mb), I have<br />
changed the cable, now wanted the software that you tested.<br />
To test this solution....<br />
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great post yorugualoco!<br />
something similar for carsoft MB? (vag kkl <strong>interface</strong> modding)<br />
i didnt manage to make it work on c220 2004 with bare factory unmodded <strong>interface</strong><br />
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un post genial yorugualoco!<br />
algo parecido para MB? (modificando la interfaz vag kkl)<br />
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3# Open your vagcom and solder obd2 pins 7 and 8, which are the<br />
K lines, otherwise you will not be able to access to all modules from<br />
the car<br />
one more question:<br />
in case of FT232BM/BL based <strong>interface</strong>, do i still need to solder obd2 pins 7 and 8?<br />
thanks<br />
edit: soldering pin 7 and 8 of <strong>interface</strong> is only necessary in case you connect<br />
<strong>interface</strong> directly to car by means of its obd2 16pin connector (pin 7 and 8 are k<br />
lines of 16pin obd2 connector in your car).<br />
if your car has round 20pin connector and you use 16pin to 20pin adapter, it is not<br />
necessary to solder because pins 17 and 20 (k lines of round connector in your car)<br />
are internally soldered to pin 7 of <strong>interface</strong> (k line of <strong>interface</strong>)<br />
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thank very good infomation is work 100%<br />
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one more question:<br />
in case of FT232BM/BL based <strong>interface</strong>, do i still need to solder obd2<br />
pins 7 and 8?<br />
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yes sure, you MUST do it, otherwise you won't be able to access all modules from<br />
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Siempre hay que soldar los pins 7 y 8 del obd2, corresponden a las dos lineas K de<br />
bmw, si no los sueldas no puedes acceder a todas las centralitas del coche (solo<br />
podras acceder al motor y la caja de cambios)<br />
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Perfectly described and works... thanks!!!!<br />
26th October, 2010, 10:19 PM #15<br />
hi yorugualoco,<br />
some questions,<br />
i have modded my vag com kkl <strong>interface</strong> with ft232BL (not RL) as you said and installed inpa<br />
(loader 4.4.7, bmw group rectification programs uk v3.01) but when i connect <strong>interface</strong> to<br />
computer and start inpa (_.ipo) i only get battery on = black dot (ignition is off = white dot)<br />
i have conected <strong>interface</strong> to 220v/12v ac/dc power adapter (+12v to pin 16 and gnd to<br />
pin4+5) but i get the same results<br />
will ignition dot turn black when connecting <strong>interface</strong> to car so that pin1 is also powered? or<br />
what is the problem?<br />
thanks<br />
edit: exactly! it works! i have powered pin 1 of <strong>interface</strong> and i get both black dots!<br />
in your picture both dots are black without connecting <strong>interface</strong> to car ?????<br />
edit: sure, because your <strong>interface</strong> got no transistor, so it doesnt depends on pin1 to make<br />
ignition dot black<br />
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for car key memory we must do next circuit but it says pin 1 is ignition (instead of +12v by<br />
pin16) so i understand that in bmw cars pin 1 gets powered when turning the key to ignition<br />
position<br />
edit: according to pinouts.ru, pin 1 is +12v (power) so i asume it only got power when key is<br />
turned to ignition position, <strong>BMW</strong> OBD-II diagnostic <strong>interface</strong> pinout and wiring @<br />
pinoutsguide.com<br />
i suppose that in car key memory process, inpa must detect in certain moment that key is<br />
turned to off position but with <strong>interface</strong> still plugged to car, showing battery black dot and<br />
ignition white dot.<br />
if so, what about cars with round 20 pin connectors? in 16pin-to-20pin adapters, pin1 of obd2<br />
side is not connected to any pin of round side so that it will never be powered, so car key<br />
memory is not supported?<br />
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edit: according to pinouts.ru, pin 16 in round bmw connector is +12v ignition but it is not taken<br />
into account in obd2-to-bwm adapter, so i suppose that for car key memory we should also<br />
solder a copper wire from pin 16 of bmw side to pin 1 of obd2 side<br />
<strong>BMW</strong> OBD II vehicle diagnostic connector pinout and wiring @ pinoutsguide.com<br />
in adapters from ebay, it seems round side can be opened but not obd2 side, so it is not<br />
possible to solder a wire between them.<br />
i think for cars with 20pin connectors only solution is:<br />
- we dont need transistor circuit anymore, just add a switch between pin 20 of ft232bm/bl and<br />
ground (pin 4 or 5 of obd2 connector in <strong>interface</strong>, or pin 17 in ft232bm/bl chip, or black wire of<br />
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The Following 2 Users<br />
Say Thank You to<br />
manocao For This<br />
Useful Post:<br />
<strong>usb</strong> connector in <strong>interface</strong>, etc... but pin 17 and 18 must still be soldered together): switch it<br />
off when you are prompted to turn key to off position, in other conditions keep it on<br />
- in case you wanna keep your transistor circuit (for obd2 16pin connector compatibility, in<br />
case you need it in the future or <strong>interface</strong> is also gonna be used in other bmw cars with 16pin<br />
obd2 connector), solder the 10k resistor to both pin16 and pin1 of obd2 connector in <strong>interface</strong>,<br />
BUT you MUST insert a switch between the resistor and pin16 in order to simulate key is turned<br />
to off position when prompted: switch it off when you are prompted to turn key to off position,<br />
in other conditions keep it on (except when used in bmw car with 16pin obd2 connector: keep<br />
it always switched off because pin1 will be the one powered or not when turning the key to<br />
ignition position or off position respectively)<br />
SAY THANKS!!<br />
Last edited by manocao; 27th October, 2010 at 09:44 AM.<br />
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