TSS Transcript - Caledonia Wake Up Call

-1-Target No: (613) 391-4055Target Name: Shawn BrantSession No: 00079Date: 2007/06/29Start Time: 02:10:27Stop Time: 02:20:25Duration: 00:09:58PLACE OF COMMUNICATION:PARTIES TO COMMUNICATION:CALL INTERCEPTED BY:TRANSCRIPT DONE BY:Cellular telephone normally used byShawn BrantShawn BrantChris DeschampsCommissioner Julian Fantinokl342406sb343866123456789101112131415161718Shawn Brant:Chris Deschamps:Shawn Brant:Chris Deschamps:Shawn Brant:Chris Deschamps:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:HelloHey how’s it goingHey all rightYeah I have somebody here who wants to talk to yaAll rightOkay here ya goShawnYeahCommissioner Fantino calling how are yaHey Mister Fantino I’m fine how are youI’m fine thank you Shawn we all wanna go to bed andcall this quits so what’s it gonna take to get ya to backoff and and and and and work this issue through in away that we don’t have a potential for disasterWell uh unfortunately um ya know and and I I knowChris knows but uh um ya know I uh I I don’t reallyuh have uh the ability to speak uh for everybody umya know on uh

1920212223242526272829303132333435363738394041424344454647484950515253545556Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:-2-(simultaneously talking)(Unintelligible) Shawn you’re a leader you’re you’reyou’re the guy that’s organizing you’re the guy thatthe media has been speaking withYeah that’s trueYou’re you’re don’t don’t don’t don’t off load uh yaknow to other people I mean the reason I’m talking toyou is because you’re the leader of this and and sofrom one side to the other side let’s let’s call this quitsenough now you’ve inconvenienced tens of thousandsof people you made your message I mean what moredo you wantYeah well it ya know uhThe whole nation the whole nation’s taken uh takennotice of what you’ve done hereYeah and I I ya know to be honest with ya I I don’tdisagree with that umWhat do ya want get everybody killed is that whatyou wantNo that’s uh certainly not my intention and uh(unintelligible)(simultaneously talking)Well why don’t we call it quits then we can all gohome(simultaneously talking)Certainly certainlyYou’ve made your pointCertainly not the mandate that I I came in with uh wasuhI (unintelligible)To have anybody hurt and you know I mean uh umyou know Mister Fontaine uh uh expressed uh hisdesire for uh for a peaceful day and ya know that’s uhthat’s our mandate that’s uh what we’re trying to doandYeah but it’s not peaceful you have put uh thousandsuh tens of thousands of people uh uh brought them totheir knees this is a long weekend for a lot of people

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9596979899100101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129130131132Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:-4-YeahBut you don’t want to have those issues now buried inin Shawn the bad guy that inconvenienced tens of tensof thousands of people I mean you’re losing themessage uh this is this is this is destroying themessage you’ve been trying to put out because peopleare now focused on how bad you are that you reallydon’t care about tens of thousands of people you’rejust using your children and and and the deprivation inin in your community for your personal advantage uhpeople think you wanna be a star at all costs and andYeahSo so whatever message you’ve been putting outabout children’s suicides and poverty and and and thewater and all of that that’s all gonna be lost in therhetoric where people are just gonna absolutelydespise you and hate you they’re not gonna hearanything you’ve said about all those wonderful causesyou’re talking aboutYeahSo I’ve talked to enough people now including a lot ofpeople in in First Nations community they they arerunning for the hills because you’re you’re bringingthem down you’re bringing them down the all thegains that that you’ve made over the years uh and andnow the struggle is is starting to have some effect uhyou’re destroying that because the message now isgone is gone from a cause to a vengeance a vindictiveuh Shawn Brant is is is gonna bring Canada to it’sknees well you’re not gonna do it and and you’regonna be hated for it and and your cause you canspeak about children committing suicide all you wantnobody is gonna listen to you because you’ve got nomore credibility if you keep this upYeahAnd you know what I don’t wanna I don’t wanna geton your bad side but you’re gonna force me to doeverything I can within your community and

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171172173174175176177178179180181182183184185186187188189190191192193194195196197198199200201202203204205206207208Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:-6-and what I am telling ya is is that I’ll uh start talkingto people about thatSo when can I expect to hear back from youWell I uhChris can ya get a hold of ChrisYeah and uh if you uhHow soon can we do thatWell I’ll start right nowOkay wa when will you call back I II’llI wanna keep in touchYeah I’ll I’ll give Chris a call in uh an hour or soWell no don’t don’t give me an hour or so can we bemore specificWell I’ll uh give Chris a call in an hourIn an hour soYeahLet’s be let’s be clear so it’s it’s now two fifteen so atthree fifteen you’ll be calling ChrisI’ll be calling ChrisSo Shawn we’ve got a deal that we’re gonna startmoving this along are weWell uh we certainly have uh an understanding that uhand you know uh um I uhShawn one one of our reserve uh uh one of thereserves up in in the north country here had threesuicides just recently three kidsYeahWho killed themselvesNo I know I knowSo so let’s not get that message convoluted with allthis nonsense that we’re having to deal with hereblockades and all that stuff let’s let’s let’s stay onmessage let’s let’s stay on and we can all do thistogether I mean you got issues to deal uh and and andI know that you’ll face that but let’s stay on messagele let’s not dilute the message with all this hatred thatpeople that are gonna develop for you and what

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247248249250251252253254255256257258259260Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:Julian Fantino:Shawn Brant:END OF COMMUNICATION.-8-you don’t know what you don’t wanna lose that in inin in the rhetoric of other causes where people areconcerned about getting from point A to point B andShawn Brant is is is public enemy number one thisweekend so let’s turn that around and let’s stay onmessageAll rightOkayOkayThree fifteenThanksByeBye now