MAJOR GENERAL ANTONIO M. TAGUBA, US Army, CF

1234567891011121314of Engagement, but you’re going to get new Rules of Engagement. Doyou understand?” I said, “Yes, sir, I understand.” “These areunarmed combatants.” He said, “I don’t care. They’re armedsomehow.” And General Miller was in there with me, and he said to meout in the hall, “It doesn’t make any difference if they’re rocks orMREs, just----Q. They’re armed, somehow.A. That’s his interpretation. Let the SJA people handle itnow.Q. This is the C-3 Miller?A. The C-3, General Miller.Q. Of course, the Rules of Engagement were changed after that.A. Right.Q. Because-- let me go back to the TACON relationship that you15had. Uh-- TACON happened on the 19 thof November. This happened on16sometime around-- before Ramadan ended 24, 25 thof November. During17181920212223the span of about five, six days there was still no clarity withregards to your concerns of what TACON meant?A. No-- no clarification at all. Several attempts I went toMajor Williams, who was Colonel Pappas’ Deputy, he said uh-- thattheir-- the interpretation from General Wodjakowski was that TACONmeant that Colonel Pappas was in charge of those units. And I saidto Major Williams, “If Colonel Pappas is going to take charge of the61