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There were so many electronics companies growing with borrowed<br />

money. Many companies have gone down, and only the strong and<br />

correctly managed ones survived. Every time a major corporation<br />

goes down, many subsidiaries or related banks have to qo down with<br />

it. Government tried to help, but they go down. That's precisely<br />

why the Japanese government recommended shifting people from, say,<br />

the textile industry or the shipping industry to high technology<br />

industries. So there have been many who had to go down and banks<br />

had to go down, too. So banks have to be very careful; It's a<br />

matter of their survival, too, because they have so much in those<br />

industries. If they invest in the wrong industry, they may not<br />

survive. That has been the history with us. Only the strong sur-<br />

vive. So we have to work and design, and develop patents and so<br />

forth.<br />

The number of patents applied for in Japan is 160,000.<br />

In U.S. I think it's about two-thirds of Japan. In many companies<br />

there are contests for employees to make suggestions in engineering<br />

design. Within Sony, in one year we had aatremendous number of<br />

suggestions --1,500 suggestions within one year. Technically, some<br />

are very simple, like how to pack efficiently to save money, and<br />

waste less and so forth. Girls and boys, young and old. In one<br />

year 1,500 suggestions.,<br />

So because of a situation like seeing another company<br />

going down, every employee works hard. There is no other company<br />

to go to. Once we are where we are, we work together, and maybe<br />

the boss doesn't take so much money. We are very democratic I<br />

think. Because in this country, confrontation--. Wherever you<br />

go in the United States, people seem to want to destroy something,<br />

divide and attack. You are dividing yourselves and you're attack-<br />

ing yourselves.<br />

back.<br />

MR. FRITTS: We have a question from Jim Costello in the<br />

U.S. POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF<br />

DEBT VS. EQUITY FINALVCING<br />

MR. COSTELLO: I just wondered if maybe some of the<br />

representatives of the American businesses wanted to comment on<br />

the debt versus equity qlrestion as to whether it would be feasible<br />

or even desirable within the context of the American economics<br />

system to have some shift in that ratio that Hr. Haynes just out-<br />

lined. And it's something that certainly has congressional policy<br />

implications because we have a virtual obsession in Congress right<br />

now with the question of whet-her we ought to be, with tax incen-<br />

tives, encouraging more savings or more investment among average<br />

peers.<br />

MR. CUNNINGHAY: I'11 camment on that. I think we aqree<br />

totally with what Mr. Eiaynes said. We can get money; what we need<br />

is incentive from a tax and depreciation point cf view to make

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