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vol. 29 • issue no. 6 • august• 2008
newsletter of the boundary bay flying club

proptalk • august 2008
UPCOMING EVENTS:
August 1–3: Orcas Island (East Sound,WA)Camping Fly-in.
A perennial favorite for local flyers.Free registration and camping.Pancake
breakfasts every day at the airport Firehall. Barbecues and Chili feasts at dinner.Vintage
car display. Biplane rides. Shuttles into town,to Rosario Resort,
Mohan lake for swimming, and other points.See you there.
August 8–10: Abbotsford Airshow.
The longest airshow anywhere,over 5 hours of aerobatic flying,and the
"heavy metal" of the USAF,plus visiting serving warbirds and aerobatic
luminaries.If you can get into Hangar 13,for the aircrew after-hours
"festivities",so much the better.
August 15–17: NW Antique Aircraft Club Fly-in, McMinnville,OR.
BBFC have made several fly-outs to this popular venue. It used to be
at Evergreen ,Washington. Home of the Evergreen Air Museum (one of
America's 5 best ),with rare flyable warbird and vintage aircraft,Howard
Hughe's Spruce Goose,and an SR-71 spy plane.
August 23: Lynden Fly-In. BBQ,displays,rodeo,golf. 10AM to 3 PM.
A short runway, but exciting getting into,and out of,and"really close".
BOUNDARY BAY FLYING CLUB
EXECUTIVE AND DIRECTORS for 2007
President: Gary Peare 604-618-3179
Vice-President: Mike Moffat
Secretary: Bruce Prior
Treasurer: Jim Niessen
Directors:
• Al Blakely
• Peggy Gordon,
• Gordon Hindle
• Vern Little
• Bruce Prior
• Brian Williams
Past President: Lowell Breckon
CLUB COMMITTEES & CHAIRPERSONS
Archives: Harry Pride
Clubhouse: Position Vacant
Club Relations: Peggy Gordon
Club Socials: Position Vacant
Flyouts: Gordon Hindle
Membership: Peggy Gordon
Proptalk: Ray Griffin
Web Site: Aaron Edwards
Outside Socials: Vern Little
Phone Committee: Lesley Peare
Training: Warren Legrice
Ways and Means: Gordon Jacques
Flight Competitions: Don Brown
EDITOR & DESIGN
Proptalk Editor: Ray Griffin
Designer: Wade Comer
T: 604-682-1664
F: 604-682-1664
E: jrgriffin@telus.net
Deadline for items for Proptalk is the 18th of
every month.
contact us:
Boundary Bay Flying Club
Heritage Clubhouse at Delta Air Park.
Mailing Address is:
4103-104th Street,Delta,B.C. V4K3N3
*HOTLINE * 604-473-6053
www.bayflyers.com

pg. 3
president's report
Presidents Report for August 2008
We have had a few quite successful fly-out’s so far this summer, as well as our Pot-Luck
dinner that was deferred until July 5th the fly-in weekend. This was not without some
controversy as the RAA group also had a BBQ on as well. Obviously this apparently
conflicting event was not to compete in any way with the RAA do, but rather to further
affirm to the higher powers that there is a lot of interesting activities going on at Delta.
In fact your BBFC was well represented in support of the fly-in. Members assisted where
they could. Our Mike Moffat even flipped burgers during the lunch. My goal always has
been to support all activities at Delta, and to create comradeship with all the important
groups at Delta. But some felt that our event was in some way intentional. This of course
was not, and if anything intended to be in support. Of course the poor weather and turn
out for this event also played a role here as well. But all that aside, ‘PRE was there for the
fly-in event, and all day long. As well your BBFC also extended a hand to the RAA while
their clubhouse situation gets sorted. BBFC under the request of our DAPCOM chair
Mike Moffat suggested offering the use of our clubhouse to the RAA. The bottom line
here is this club and the things we do are for our enjoyment, and to enjoy each other’s
companionship. This is not a job, it is a recreational activity.
The bottom line
here is this club
and the things we
do are for our
enjoyment, and to
enjoy each other’s
companionship.
This is not a job, it
is a recreational
activity.
I enjoyed a fly, be it rather an expensive one to Arlington for the annual EAA fly-in. Gordon
Hindle and a friend Heather Joyce were along for the trip down in ‘PRE, we could not
have asked for better weather. Heather was to meet her husband, Ted a newly minted
pilot for some camping at Arlington. I found fewer people this year attending, and certainly
less camping going on. My fuel bill, just shy of $150 for 21 gallons, ouch! But I met up
with a few BBFC members, and all in all everybody had a good time.
I am pleased to announce that we finally have a new socials chairperson. Kathy Turnbull has
graciously offered to run this department. Kathy will combine the phone out committee
in to the socials group. This will streamline the operation of organizing our clubhouse
social events. Next up will be our September Corn Roast. Thank you Kathy for taking
the Socials Committee on.
That’s all for now,
Gary

proptalk • august 2008
HISTORY CORNER
there's a new star in town
This T-33 Shooting Star, recently acquired by Tom Rogers of Boundary Bay Airport, is
undergoing refit by Vic Air in Victoria.
Tom already has a mint T-28 Trojan, hangared at ZBB. This aircraft was recently bought
by Tom at surplus auction from the Canadian Air Force, one of the last Air Forces to
decommission them.
Hope we see it whistling around ZBB soon.

pg. 5
fly-out report
arlington eaa fly–in, july 12, 2008
This year Blair and I flew down for the day, for the pancake
breakfast, the forums, the warbirds, the ultralights, and the
airshow.
Arlington this year was not as well attended as in previous recent
years, with a small display of warbirds, and much reduced
ultralight displays and flying.
The aerobatics display was mainly Bud Granley and Walter
Mrazek in their Harvards again, and Julie Clark in her Mentor;
they are always a treat. We sure miss the master Bob Hoover
in his Shrike, and Delmar Benjamin in his G-Bee Special, not to
mention the B-17's, B-24's and P-51 Mustangs, the Skyraiders,
and the Wildcats that used to show up, or just be on display.
The feud between Cascade Warbirds and the Arlington management
seems not to have thawed out entirely, much to the
loss of the Fly-in.
a direct route to the showers, past where Jim Bede camped
with his two new BEDE prototypes. On the way back from
showers in the morning, we would stop by Jim Bede's site
and chat with him. Sometimes there would develop quite an
impromptu gathering, when pilots walking by realized it was
THE Jim Bede with the coffee mug in his hand and towel over
his shoulder, deigning to talk with people. As usual, Blair started
asking him about his prototype model, ( I think it was the BD-
10, but the BD-14 was there too) both half-assembled, which
Jim said would be supersonic. It had a twin tail, but overall size
was about the length of the BD-5. Blair asked how long could
it go supersonic? Jim Bede said it would go supersonic, but not
for very long, because you would use up fuel in an "all-fired
hurry". "You must have figured that out, son." On one of the
following days, when we stopped to listen, an Australian was
The home–builders and vintage display section was up to par:
some rare and mint examples were on display, with pilots
willing to discuss their pride and joy. The polished Ryan cabin
monoplane was a beauty, and the red and white BD-5 was
a ‘keeper’, but landing at 90 knots must take some getting
used to.
Seeing the BD-5 reminded me of an Oshkosh visit by Blair and
I in 1994. Our tie-down campsite in the "north forty" was on
below: p-51 mustang;
right–top: BD-5 and Ower
right–bottom: lots of unused tie–down spaces at Alrignton

proptalk • august 2008
fly–out report
arlington eaa fly–in, july 12, 2008
handing Jim a cheque for $40, 000, a deposit for the "first BD-
10 in Australia". Hmm, so that was how it was done!
‘The Pacific Atoll’ was back, complete with WW–2 music of
Glenn Miller, but the contingent that has really grown every
year is the military vehicles parade and display, surely one of
the largest ever seen at any airshow.
There is more variety of food available, this year and last, but
the food was not as good as the Concrete Fly-in.
We did not camp, so missed out on some of the camaraderie
of that experience, nor did we stay for the night movie or
night airshow.There was no hot air ballon this year.However,
we did meet people who had been there for days, camping
underwing or in the drive-in campground, and enjoying this
mini-Oshkosh to the fullest.
Talking and exchanging stories with other pilots is always the
most interesting and memorable aspect of fly-ins, and Blair and
I struck up a fascinating conversation with a group at dinner
under the tent canopy. Blair has a knack of getting them started,
and time passes quickly. A couple from Idaho, planning a trip
to Alaska in their RV-6, asked for info on routes and Customs
in BC. I had only been as far north as Sandspit, Burns Lake,
Vanderhoof and Prince George, but told them what I could
of the various routes from Vancouver to those destinations.
It turns out they have their own hangar, and three planes: a
C-182, the RV-6, and a Sea-Bee they are restoring. I told them
to do Customs at the border, don't wait 'till you land at Prince
George. A Qualicum pilot next to us described his trip to
Guatemala in his Cherokee 6, and the Customs experiences he
had: Mexico and Guatelmala were easy, the US was tougher.
I did not realize that US Customs is hardest on returning US
flyers, particularly from South America, and they can enforce
the post 9/11 15 minute rule( whereby if you land more than
15 minutes before or after your predicted arrival time ), you
can be fined up to $5, 000. It has happened, said the Idaho
couple. On a long flight, all the more reason to do Customs
near the border.
Next time, we will try to camp: you meet more people that
way. By going down at dinner time, you can set up the tent, see
the night show, and be up early to catch the forums before
and walk the field, before the airshow starts.
Ray Griffin

pg. 7
fly-out report
arlington eaa fly–in, july 12, 2008
opposite page:
top left: the meagre ‘war birds’ line;
bottom left: michael peare over washington;
bottom right: a mint ryan s-c cabin monoplane
this page— clockwise from top left:
b-25 mitchell ‘pacific prowler’;
b-25 cockpit;
ray and blair griffin, with gary peare;
nose gun on the b-25;
p-51 armaments

proptalk • august 2008
plane tales
birds in the tail
In late May, I was doing the walkaround on my
Sierra at Apron 3 at Boundary Bay,I noticed
the right tailcone plug slightly out of place and
a large amount of bird droppings adjacent on
the right stabilator.As I removed the tail plugs,I
heard a rustling noise,but paid no real heed.
Later,opening my rear cabin door,I heard fluttering
in the tail and realized I had birds aboard !
Not since I found a nest with eggs in the engine
cowling years ago,and birds in the tailcone,had
I had this problem recur.I pulled back the rear
seat and was amazed to see a huge pile of straw
far back at the tailcone. Returning to remove the
tailcone plugs,a small bird flew out of the gap
right at me. Yikes! Then I heard more rustling and
returned to the rear door,where several more
birds, fledgeling by the way they flew,fluttered
out. Now birds were chirping all around me,and
in the cabin,and circling overhead:I think they
were starlings. I could not reach the straw bale in
the tail cone, so I removed the access panel near
the rear fuselage,and scooped out a huge straw
nest,complete with feathers.This took a while
to clean and wash out,but then I realized the
scenario. Since the previous weekend,when I had
flown,the tail plug was somehow dislodged,maybe
by the birds,and they got in through the narrow
clearance between stabilator and tail,and built
their nest.There must have hundreds of trips for
straw and grass and feathers. The photos show
the tail access panel and the remains of the nest
on the tarmac.
Ray Griffin

pg. 9
plane tales
FOLLOW THAT CHECKLIST ! or, "Bad things can happen"
On November 15th, 2007, the Arab flight crew
from Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies ( ADAT )
was in Toulouse, France to conduct pre-delivery
tests on a brand new $80,000,000 Airbus 340-
600. The ground tests were to be engine runups,
taxi, and high speed taxi, prior to flight tests and
delivery to Etihad Airways in Abu Dhabi.
The ADAT flight crew taxied the A340-600 to
the run-up area, then took all four engines to
maximum power, with a virtually empty aircraft.
Flight manuals indicate that an empty A340-600
is relatively light, compared to full fuel and full
passenger load.
The take-off warning horn blared away in the
cockpit because they had all four engines at full
power, yet they had not configured properly
for flaps, slats, and brakes, causing the aircraft
computers to think they were trying to take off
in the wrong configuration.
To silence the alarm, one of the ADAT crew decided
to pull the circuit breaker on the Ground
Proximity Sensor. This caused the aircraft computer
to think it was in the air. The computer
then automatically released the brakes, an
Airbus safety feature is to prevent landing with
the brakes on, sending the aircraft accelerating
forward.
Somehow, the crew did not throttle back the
engines, and the aircraft accelerated and crashed
into a blast barrier, totalling it.
The extent of injuries to the crew is unknown,
since there has been a news blackout on the
incident in both France and the Middle East. A
story like this cannot be buried forever, and the
photos and tale of the incident are finally starting
to leak out in aviation circles on the internet.
Article from "To the Point News" forwarded by
Brian Williams, BBFC Director

proptalk • august 2008
DIRECTORS MEETING
Boundary Bay Flying Club Directors Meeting
June 2nd, 2008
Opening:
The executive meeting of the Boundary Bay Flying Club was
called to order at 19:30 hours.
Present:
In attendance” Gary, Jim, Peggy, Lowell, Al, Mike, Brian, Vern
and Sandi
Absent with regrets: Gord and Dave
Approval of Minutes
The minutes of the previous meeting were approved with
the following changes: City of Delta approved; 15,000 for the
improvements for the round house.
Treasurers report.
The financial report was accepted as circulated.
Membership:
We now have a total of 30 paid members.
Copies of the Prop Talk have been circulated to other clubs.
Club Socials:
The Pot Luck Dinner was once more a success.
A huge thank you to everyone, who made the evening a
success
Clubhouse Maintenance:
We have noticed an unusual smell in the club house. We will
have to look into this fragrant aroma.
DHAPCOM:
June is the BBFC turn for the pancake Breakfast.
FLYOUTS:
The RAA Fly in will be held on the 5th of July. The RAA is
looking for volunteers. There is a list of different fly outs on
the website. (Thanks Al)
WEBSITE:
The Web site has been moved to a new server.
Past events will now be able to be kept on the monthly website
calendar.
Phone out committee:
This is running smoothly. No hiccups to speak of.
NEW BUSINESS
COPA is no longer sponsoring Young Eagles. The EAA has
raised the question of liability so high that it has become a
negative program.
Copa National may attempt to establish a new program called
Copa for Kids
There will be no dinner meeting in June as we will have a BBQ
on the 5th Of July.
September we will have a corn roast on the 13th.
The Club will stand down for the summer.
HAVE A GREAT SUMMER EVERYONE.
Adjournment:
Meeting was adjourned at 21:00 by Gary. The first meeting
in Sept will be held on the 8th at 19:30 hours at the
Clubhouse.
Minutes submitted by: Sandi Blakely
PHOTOS:
Gord reported that he is working on the photos but will be
enjoying the Next few weeks with Blonde Danish Birds.
PROP TALK:
First Copy has been issued for June.
Ray is still looking for articles to publish. Please let him know if
you have a story or two during you flights past and present.