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<strong>Entropy</strong> <strong>can</strong> <strong>decrease</strong> <strong>locally</strong><br />

this is an oft quoted claim by atheists to explain the natural emergence of order,<br />

structure and information from chaos in the universe.<br />

There are usually 2 approaches to this, both are false.<br />

We <strong>can</strong> observe that order emerges from chaotic systems,<br />

therefore the order in our universe simply emerges from chaos.<br />

The misunderstanding here is based in the fact that chaotic systems (dynamic systems<br />

that appear to behave randomly) are in fact not random at all, but deterministic. It’s<br />

usually the case that a chaotic system is driven by multiple variables and is sensitive in<br />

some way, so that behaviour <strong>can</strong> appear very unpredictable. A good example of this is<br />

a perturbed recirculation flow, whereby a fluid is set into a circular flow (e.g a closed<br />

eddy caused by the separation of a boundary layer). The perturbation causes the flow<br />

to appear to break up near the edges into random mixing, in actual fact the


perturbation magnifies dynamic instabilities near the boundary, and the patterns in<br />

these flows <strong>can</strong> be observed if particles in the flow are observed over a long period of<br />

time.<br />

The order was actually already there in the flow, the perturbation hides the structure<br />

and observing it certain ways, or tweaking the variables makes it easy to see the<br />

complexity beneath.<br />

It would be extremely naïve to presume that all of the complexity in our current<br />

universe was somehow already present a nano-second after the beginning of the<br />

universe, when there was simply a point source of highly concentrated energy and<br />

nothing else.<br />

The earth is an open system, so according to the 2nd law of<br />

thermodynamics; complexity <strong>can</strong> arise <strong>locally</strong> as the sun increases<br />

in entropy whilst burning.<br />

this is a terrible misunderstanding of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The 2nd law<br />

states<br />

the total entropy of an isolated system <strong>can</strong> never <strong>decrease</strong> over time.<br />

An easy way to understand it is as follows:


This principle has been applied to many kinds of entropy, and generalised in terms of<br />

complexity or order, so that we <strong>can</strong> state:<br />

“in a system that is isolated, any natural process in that system progresses in the<br />

direction of increasing disorder, or entropy, of the system”<br />

The misunderstanding now gets applied by materialist to attempt to explain disparate<br />

local <strong>decrease</strong>s in entropy. They state the 2nd law claims that in a closed system the<br />

overall entropy must increase, but in an open system (ie a sub-domain of the closed<br />

system) the entropy could <strong>decrease</strong> provided the overall entropy increases in the host<br />

system. This is partly true, but only because something crosses the boundary of the<br />

open system to lower its entropy.<br />

Let’s take a simple metal rod, if we apply heat to the right hand end of the rod and then<br />

remove the heat, we <strong>can</strong> treat the rod as a closed system (ie heat is not lost into the<br />

room that contains the rod). Let’s draw a line down the middle of the rod. The left hand<br />

side we <strong>can</strong> treat as a sub system; an “open” system inside the closed system of the<br />

rod. The left hand side currently is at one fixed temperature throughout, but the right<br />

hand side is heated at one end, and therefore has lower entropy.


As we observe, the heat will diffuse through the rod, eventually crossing the boundary<br />

of the left hand side and causing the entropy to drop, eventually as the heat continues<br />

to diffuse the entropy on the left hand side will increase again until the heat has totally<br />

diffused to equilibrium throughout the rod.<br />

So entropy <strong>can</strong> only <strong>decrease</strong> in the open system by complexity or order crossing the<br />

boundary. You would not expect to get an effect where the increase in entropy on the<br />

right hand side caused the left hand end of the rod to heat up in compensation by any<br />

other means than diffusion. Nor would you expect a different kind of order to emerge<br />

on the left hand side such as the rod changing into an ordered shape, unless what<br />

crossed the boundary enforced that physical effect.<br />

Many materialists seek to explain the emergence of the complexity of life on earth and<br />

origin of life’s information-rich molecules (DNA), by twisting this application of the 2nd<br />

law, and propose that order and complexity <strong>can</strong> simply emerge on earth in<br />

compensation to the increase in entropy of the sun as it burns. It is ludicrous to suggest<br />

that heat diffusion could allow a different kind of order (such as information) to<br />

suddenly appear on earth.<br />

Energy <strong>can</strong> be converted to different kinds of order using machines, this is in fact what<br />

happens in photosynthesis, where energy from the sun is physically converted by<br />

extremely complex molecular machines in a sequence of chemical and kinematic<br />

processes in order to create the organic energy molecule ATP (Adenosine<br />

Triphosphate).<br />

The question is then raised, so where does the complexity in the machines come<br />

from? ... if the answer is “evolution”, it needs to be explained how natural selection (a<br />

very simple filter) <strong>can</strong> guide a random process to <strong>decrease</strong> entropy in many orders of<br />

magnitude. This does not seem remotely credible.<br />

side note: whilst on the point of entropy decreasing, gases don’t coalesce; they diffuse.<br />

So the idea that an initial cloud of Hydrogen would clump together and form planets<br />

and galaxies from the Big Bang is not just absurd, but impossible from a 2nd law POV.

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