January 1, 2012 - Trembling Hills Wine Tasters Club

ID Author Date Time Comment 

22369 BuffaloLou 2012-01-01 00:00:14 HAPPY 2012!! 

22374 TonyO 2012-01-01 10:33:04 Happy New Year ! 

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Highly recommend the Hunter III Sauv Blanc on WL free shipping offer................it is a fantastic wine that pairs 

well with cheeses and seafood dishes like grilled shrimp........the nose alone is worth the $15 ! This and John 

Anthony are great examples of how incredible Sauv Blanc can be made in CA (these are quite tropical fruit 

focused rather than grassy). 

Hope the hangovers are not too bad for those that were overserved (amazingly, I am not among that crowd!). 

22375 John O' 2012-01-01 11:24:02 @tony O 

thx for the tip. In for 4. 

I'm starting to dig quality SB's 

22376 TonyO 2012-01-01 11:43:17 @John O': I bought some of that locally and think I paid around $20 for it ..............really tasty stuff, hope you like 

it. 

22378 luddite 2012-01-01 14:13:29 Happy New Year and a new month and wine budget! For those that love dessert wines and don't mind paying for 

it: 

(1) 1995 Royal Tokaji Tokaji Aszu Essencia (500mL) $165 WS 94 points 

(2) 1999 Royal Tokaji Tokaji Aszu 6 Puttonyos Mezes Maly (500mL) $175 WS 95 points 

"This is a three-pack. Two bottles of the wintergreen infused, First Growth Mezes Maly. One more of our Aszu 

Essencia nectar. Regular price of $515. Today, just $299. Happy New Year." 

http://www.wineaccess.com/store/royaltokajiwinecodirectdecember2011/index.html 

22379 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-01 16:58:46 Happy New Year to my fellow inmates! May the year to come find you happy, healthy, employed, and may you 

never open a bad bottle of wine this year! Cheers! 

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22380 BuffaloLou 2012-01-01 20:15:11 

2008 Keesha Vineyards 

Petite Sirah Keesha Vineyards - USA, California, Central Valley, Lodi (1/1/2012) 

Tried this wine over a year ago and was not impressed. Had it again tonight and it was rocking! Purple/Black in 

color. Beautiful nose of blackberry, chocolate, and cassis. I found myself not drinking it, rather just taking in it's 

intoxicating bouquet. After taking the plunge, it was beautifully viscous, but not jammy. While it was fruit 

forward, it wasn't just fruit. The palate was a mirror of the nose with layer upon layer of deep, dark berries, 

swimming a vanilla/cream, and a finish of dark chocolate. It was dessert in a glass, without the sweetness. Four 

of us were drinking this tonight and were amazed with how it transformed from it's earlier rough edges. Killer 

bottle for just under $10. 

(91 points) 

Posted from CellarTracker 

22385 mr21cbs 2012-01-02 12:19:50 Happy New Year to All. We had an amazing time with family and friends over for the New Year Eve and night. 

Went to bed around 4pm. Too much good and not so good (but nobody cared at that time anymore) wine was 

consumed. We were singing old Russian songs, dancing, kids were playing video games and having a ton of fun. 

My brother-in-law brought a bag of confetti, it's been two days of vacuuming and we still find the darn things 

everywhere. (it seemed like a good idea at the time, TWSS). 

The kids went through a half a case of non-alcoholic sparkling wine, so the future of wine drinkers is in good 

hands. Great food was served. Not much of a hangover... This is something of a tradition for us, as the story goes: 

"As much fun as you have greeting the new year, that enjoyable, happy, and prosperous it will be." 

I truly wish that everyone here would have as great of a year as the crazy fun we've had. 

22386 vinmoet 2012-01-02 13:02:55 Happy New Year inmates! I was trolling about this a.m. and found what could be a great everyday Bordeaux: 

http://www.empirewine.com/wine/chateau-clement-saint-jean-medoc-2009/ 

I have not had this wine. But, the wine reviewer, Neal Martin, has a marvelous palate and awarded it 90 points. 

This is 16 bones with shipping folks. We will be seeing more and more of these kinds of bargains for 2009 which 

is a great vintage from the bottom up. 



22387 luddite 2012-01-02 14:43:31 @vinny: What say you to this one? 


2009 90+ Point Bordeaux Médoc Sampler 

http://www.garyswine.com/fine_wine/france/15417.html 

22388 NY Pete 2012-01-02 15:35:42 Belated New Year greetings to all residents of the Hills. 

Hoping all inmates have a great New Year. Cheers! 

22389 vinmoet 2012-01-02 18:06:50 Luddite, the only one I've had on that list is the Lannessan which is consistently a nice wine for the money. None 

of Gary's are rock stars but the reviews speak for themselves. Neal Martin and Jancis Robinson have similar 

palates. You can count on his notes. Buying the package seems like a good way to check them all out and settle 

on a house wine. I have half a dozen 3 liter Lannessan's on futures order (about $80 a piece). Easy party wines. 

We should have a nice window between now and this Fall to find tons of Bordeaux QPR's and trophy wines. 

Can't say enough about how great '09 is. '10 is a great investment vintage but we won't have as much QPR going 

on and you guys know that I'm not at all a fan of '11. So take advantage of this window. 

22390 vinmoet 2012-01-02 18:15:58 Sometime back there was discussion about right bank style Cali. I mentioned that I would post some 

recommendations from WE: 

2008 White Cottage Ranch Estate Cabernet Franc 92pts 

Arger-Martucci 2006 Cab Franc 92pts 

Monticello 2008 Estate Grown Cab Franc 92 pts 

Conn Creek 2006 Limted Release Cab Franc 91pts 

Cinnabar 2008 Mercury Rising 90 pts (a "blend of the five major Bordeaux varieties") 

Folkway 2007 Relevator 90 pts (mostly merlot) 

Girard 2008 Artistry 90 pts 

Fidelity 2009 Crazy Creek Estate 88pts (mostly merlot) 

I am not familiar with these wines, just reporting what WE had to say... 

22392 BrunelloBob 2012-01-02 19:06:58 You guys almost had me coming over to the dark side, but that Gary's sample pack is now out of stock... 

22393 vinmoet 2012-01-02 19:20:08 BBob: The Bordeaux is an energy field created by all living things, it surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the 

galaxy together. 

22394 WineKnurd 2012-01-02 20:44:10 BBob I find your lack of faith disturbing..... 




22395 BrunelloBob 2012-01-02 21:02:18 Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kids. 

"In Sangiovese we Trust" 

22396 luddite 2012-01-02 21:30:18 @B²: I don't mean to pry, but does SPOT!! have a favorite wine? 

http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/46155 

22397 BrunelloBob 2012-01-02 21:41:23 @Ludds: BRILLIANT!! 

"Cows, the popular bovines behind beloved wine accompaniments steak and cheese..." 

x 

(Spott!! will drink anything that ships for Free, but seems to have a penchant for shiraz with viognier blended in. 

Something about the creaminess the viognier adds... Spott!! is an idiot... ) 

22399 WineKnurd 2012-01-02 22:38:49 the rhone blends are strong with this bovine... 

22404 AdamEmpire 2012-01-03 09:10:53 vinmoet - That Clement St. Jean is definitely an excellent wine for the money. I am working on finding more well 

rated, easy drinking 2009s at sub $20 prices. Thanks and happy new year to all! 

22406 luddite 2012-01-03 10:04:28 @Schmitty: Thinking of you today. Hope 2012 brings peace and healing to you and your family... 

22409 BuffaloLou 2012-01-03 12:18:22 Any thoughts on today's Cindy nooner? 

22411 NY Pete 2012-01-03 13:31:23 time to change the daily QPR ... :) 

22412 wine magnet 2012-01-03 13:39:17 Any thoughts on the current LB offering:von Hovel 2007 Scharzhofberg Riesling Spatlese from the Riesling 

experienced inmates? It seems like a good gamble based upon CT notes alone. 

22413 TonyO 2012-01-03 14:04:07 Any inmates near Alexandria, VA ? David O'Reilly is doing a wine dinner at Brabo Restaurant (not sure of the 

date, but the wines and food look great !). If interested, let me know and I can send you the info. 

22414 TonyO 2012-01-03 15:07:34 update: dinner is 2/7/12......let me know if you want info (NaH, WIM, etc,) 

22415 vinmoet 2012-01-03 16:42:25 Adam, you might be able to move more of these if you would move them to the free shipping page 

http://www.empirewine.com/wine/chat-haut-brion-grand-cru-pessac-leognan-2005/ 

Free shipping on a $12K case of wine could be just the ticket... 

22416 David T 2012-01-03 19:21:37 @WIM I just popped the Norton you gave me- I LOVE the nose- such nice funk which I really enjoy! The flavors 

are quite simple, red fruit & spice, so I think I'm going to spend the rest of the evening saving my liver 

& pleasuring my olfactory system instead :P Thanks again for helping me reach my doppel (though I'm still 

far behind you!) 

22420 BaroloDude 2012-01-04 00:25:45 Every time I see a RDD on Cindy I hope for Atalayas again..... Alas no. 




22421 mr21cbs 2012-01-04 08:26:03 With the beginning of a new year it is interesting to reflect on the 2011 in terms of some site statistics. A 

disclaimer here is that the JetPack (that now captures the stats) was in effect for just a month or so, but even in 

such a short period of time we have some interesting numbers to overanalize: 

These were your 5 most active commenters: 

1 BrunelloBob 53 comments 

2 vinmoet 50 comments 

3 luddite 45 comments 

4 WineKnurd 40 comments 

5 BuffaloLou 33 comments 

For the rest of the report go here: http://jetpack.me/annual-report/18735463/2011/ 

22422 BrunelloBob 2012-01-04 11:39:32 I talk too much... 

22425 mr21cbs 2012-01-04 12:26:33 BrunelloBob, this is a forum, you should be proud! Keep the chatter going 8) 

22426 BaroloDude 2012-01-04 12:43:00 @mr21cbs... idea for the site... 

Especially during times when i am away from TH for a few days... when i come back to the site, i want to start 

reading comments from where i left off last visit (or even as proxy, from my last post). 

Is there a way to simply "bookmark" the page of comments that I last read or where I last posted? Otherwise i 

find myself scanning backwards thru pages for minutes before i finally start reading... 

Like a place to enter your alias and get taken to your most recent post, or to tag a page somehow and have a 

cookie on the browser that takes me back to that page somehow... i dunno. 

22427 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-04 12:43:41 @TonyO Send me the info, not sure if I'm in town that week or not, but if the menu is inviting enough I may be 

able to make it! Thanks for thinking of me! 

@DavidT Glad you liked it, it's been the only Norton I actually managed to enjoy. Guess we'll need to check out 

Barrel Oak Winery on your next trip to my neck of the woods. 

Trying to drink more and buy way less, goal is to get below 1K in inventory before the end of 2012. Going to be 

tough, as I haven't had any wine since NYE (taking muscle relaxers). 

22428 BuffaloLou 2012-01-04 12:51:00 +1 on BDude's idea. That would be tremendously handy! 

Stay warm! 

22429 mr21cbs 2012-01-04 12:59:12 I will add the permanent links to the comments after I get back from vacation, which is January 15th. 




22431 TonyO 2012-01-04 14:27:44 @wim: details are probably easiest to access on the FB page of Owen Roe or at their website; 

www.owenroe.com 

I hope that helps ! Looks like a great night ! 

22432 luddite 2012-01-04 15:19:18 @mr21cbs: Have a great vacation you've earned it!! 

@WiM: From: http://www.braborestaurant.com/ 

Owen Roe Grand Tasting and Wine Dinner Event! 

22436 WineKnurd 2012-01-04 20:49:21 2004 Gran Elias Toro on WTSO, $40 bones. 

Join us for a "Grand Tasting" of 3 flights of wines presented by David O'Reilly, Winemaker and Owner of Owen 

Roe. 

The "Grand Tasting" will be followed by a 5 course tasting menu featuring the best wines of the Pacific 

Northwest. See the complete menu under the "menus" tab! The cost is $125 per person + tax + gratuity. 

Don't miss this amazing dinner and wine presentation! Reservations are limited, so make yours now by calling 

703.894.3440. 

How did we outpost BLou? :) 

22437 David T 2012-01-04 20:59:55 @Vinmoet Forgive me if this has been asked or you have posted this before though I couldn't find it in the 

archices- what's your opinion on 09 Sauternes overall? Wine Spectator released some initial scores on 09s and 

what struck me most was how inexpensive they seemed to be, at the suggested retail no less- some of the big 

names for $30-60 per 750, almost all <$100 and even d'Yquem was <$200?! I think I'm going 

to need to stock up... 

@BLou Have you opened any of the 06 Masi Amarone that was on Cindy a while back? I had my first tonight 

& wasn't too impressed, it didn't remind me of the general style of the very few Amarone I've had before. 

22438 WineKnurd 2012-01-04 21:08:09 Ha the CW wine tonight has the "best price on the web" listed at $4.00. Oops! 

22439 WineKnurd 2012-01-04 21:09:04 DavidT, looks like Brandon W hears your call.... 

22440 WineKnurd 2012-01-04 21:14:58 and it looks like I broke CW... 



22441 WineKnurd 2012-01-04 21:20:14 For you Cognac enthusiasts out there (from Harper's): 


http://www.harpers.co.uk/news/news-headlines/11533-remy-martin-discontinues-existing-vsop.html 

Rémy Martin discontinues existing VSOP 

Written by Laura Heywood 

Wednesday, 04 January 2012 14:22 

Rémy Martin is withdrawing its original VSOP from the European market and launching a mature cask finish 

expression in its place. 

The brand extension sees 20% of the Cognac house's eaux-de-vie aged for an additional 12 months in Limousin 

mature oak casks that are over 20 years old. 

Rémy Martin VSOP Mature Cask Finish will be available exclusively in Europe, while other markets around the 

world will continue to be allocated the existing VSOP. 

The mature cask finishing process has been developed to produce "a well-rounded, smooth Cognac with 

enhanced fruity notes", according to Rémy Martin, and caters for changing European palates. 

Chief executive Patrick Piana told Harpers: "It's our responsibility to continue to innovate and invest in Rémy 

Martin and Europe. We want to bring back VSOP into a young, adult consumption mode." 

He added that the changes follow extensive research into the taste preferences of existing Rémy Martin VSOP 

drinkers and non-Cognac purchasers. 

A "heavyweight" marketing campaign including PR, advertising, on-pack neck collars and sampling activity will 

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22442 BuffaloLou 2012-01-04 21:30:16 @David T - The only Masi Amarone I remember was the 2006 Masi Costasera Amarone which was in a pack with 

a Sansonnet. This was the first time they offered an Amarone. Perhaps I missed it. 

22443 David T 2012-01-04 21:59:09 @Lou Yeah, that's the one & you are correct on the pack. I just looked back & you posted several 

positive thoughts on the offer in the forum thread, though never said you picked any up. BTW I'm up to at least 

three bottles set aside for you to try whenever you make it down this way, let me know if anything looks open 

now that the calendar has turned :) 

22444 mr21cbs 2012-01-04 22:03:22 For NY Pete and other impatient inmates, I will be on vacation and will not be posting any QPRs until January 

15th. Enjoy your old favorites. See you soon. Cheers! 




22445 vinmoet 2012-01-04 22:28:01 David T: Historically it seems that what is good for red Bordeaux stinks for Sauternes. 2009 is the exception. 

Every harvest I taste at Chateau Guiraud, one of the premier cru Chateaux. Xavier Planty is an owner and is the 

principal winemaker. Yeah, I'm name dropping but this lowly inmate does his tasting there at harvest with the 

winemaker and support staff...it all gives you much more insight and appreciation. As he put it, in 2009 we had 

both quantity and quality. 2001 just had the quality. By the way, their 2001 is the value play of that vintage. I 

have hand picked Guiraud as my go to Sauternes which is why I always taste there no matter what. They are 

located between the Village of Sauternes and Y'Quem which is a mile down the road. They have terroir, passion, 

and enough capital to do it right and still bring (relative) value. 

I don't put 2009 on par with 2001, but it is an outstanding vintage which is very close and which also produced a 

prodigious amount of juice (that being essentially unheard of). I think the pricing is primarily due to the quantity 

and also because Chinese have not gone as bonkers for white as they have for red. Thus, I think 2009 Sauternes 

is a great value play. 

I didn't find you a great vintage summary, but this one gives you a decent overview of what happened weather 

wise: http://www.thewinedoctor.com/tastingsformal/bordeaux2009sauternes.shtml 

22446 TonyO 2012-01-04 22:52:10 Amazing how everyone talks about "heat hold shipments" but not much talk about the cold weather. I received 

two shipments today (one from Last Bottle and one from WL) and that bottles were COLD !! We are hitting 

single digits overnight. In the past, I have seen corks pushed out of the top and actually had a bottle leak in the 

box to the point that the UPS guy asked "what's in the box, a liver" ? Hmmm, was that a joke or a reference to 

my excessive alcohol related parcels ??????? 

22447 BuffaloLou 2012-01-04 23:48:21 @TonyO - There was a lot of discussion on the forum a year ago about cold shipping. I believe it's generally 

accepted that so long as the wine doesn't freeze, it should be OK. Freezing point will be lower than for water, 

and it's dependent on the alcohol content. IIRC, it was "around" 18F for most red wine. Of course Oz Shiraz 

should be good to near zero... LOL! 

22448 BuffaloLou 2012-01-04 23:50:04 @David T - Spring! 




22449 WineKnurd 2012-01-05 07:39:10 Hey Vinny, Guiraud is good stuff. I got hooked on Suduiraut after tasting their 2001. 

Maybe you can answer a question I have always had about Sauternes and Barsac.Generally when weather is bad 

for dry wines its good for the sweet wines, since you need climate conditions to be right for botrytis to go (humid 

and warm). 2001 and 2007 are perfect examples of this. 

But for 2009, how can you get great wines for both? Is it that the dry wine grapes can be picked early / on time 

and then allow the sweet grapes extra time to hang to develop noble rot? 

Thanks for the help! 

22450 vinmoet 2012-01-05 08:24:07 WK: For botrytis you want cool and humid. Sauternes gets the benefit of two rivers which provide part of the 

humidity. They also need rain. On average, they don't harvest until mid October and take 4 weeks to do it. They 

systematically go through the vineyard picking the gnarlyest looking grapes. They then go back through again 

and pick again after more rot sets in. For all of this to happen, they need cold rainy weather. Absent the rain, no 

rot. 

In 2009 they actually thought that they would have no Sauternes because of the lack of rain. It was an early 

harvest and suddenly, in late September, early October they had perfect conditions and had to pick everything in 

a two week time period instead of 4 weeks. 

22451 WineKnurd 2012-01-05 08:35:43 Thanks Vinny. I figured it had to be something where the rains came after dry wine harvest although I imagine 

that the very best vintages can't be a "compromise" ala 2001 and 2007. 

22452 vinmoet 2012-01-05 09:23:14 WK: Historically in the hot, dryer years which make great red wine vintages we have had poorer conditions for 

noble rot. Dry, warm weather meant little to no noble rot. Some years they only get pockets of rot, others they 

get perfect conditions and tons of rot. 2009 gave them almost perfect conditions in an unusually short time 

frame with a huge crop. So, they had to harvest quickly and had lots to harvest. 2005, 2003 and 2000 had big 

crops but less noble rot so we had OK quality, plenty of fruit, but minimal fruit affected by noble rot. 2001 had a 

pretty good fruit crop and great rot conditions giving us the best quality and OK quantity. 2001 had better fruit 

to start with than 2007. 2007 had great noble rot conditions but more marginal fruit quality. 2001 really is the 

benchmark year for Sauternes. The rot in 2009 is not as good as 2001 but it is still very good. The fruit in 2009 is 

spectacular. The quantity is bountiful. Its my view that '09 is the second best vintage for the decade but the best 

QPR of the decade. 

22458 louas 2012-01-05 20:57:04 Mark your calendars...only 30 days til WORLD NUTELLA DAY, Sunday, Feb.5, 2012. 

22459 Scott W 2012-01-05 22:34:37 Any thoughts on the Nicolas Potel Maison Roche De Bellene Beaune Les Aigrots 1er Cru on WTSO? 27.99 



22460 BuffaloLou 2012-01-06 00:06:11 Speaking of Sauternes, from wine exchange (winex.com): 


Value, as we have always said, is a relative term, even if it applies to what a goodly number of knowledgeable 

folks would consider the greatest dessert wine on earth. Of course there are many of you that will think we must 

be nuts to try and tell you that something that costs this much is a deal. But that’s exactly our point. Just like a 

substantial discount on a Ferrari, or half price Prada shoes (real ones, mind you), this outstanding rendition of 

d’Yquem can be considered very attractively priced vis-a-vis other d'Yquems. 

The subject came up as we were reading the Wine Advocate reviews on this wine. The piece described this as the 

potentially forgotten d’Yquem, this 2008 sandwiched between the more critically acclaimed 2007 and 2009 

vintages for Sauternes. Maybe we’re just too pragmatic. But we have a little of the 2007 on the shelf at $600, 

and the latest quote we have on the 2009, which still won’t be here for a while, puts it over $800 even with the 

euro 10% lower than it was a year ago! This one costs less than a half bottle of the 2007! 

Now, true, the 2007 did score higher…by a point (‘97’ vs. ‘96’). But, if you think about it, that is a pretty darned 

expensive point. Some may say that, because it isn’t from the appropriately historic vintage, it won’t last as long. 

That may be as the conjecture in the Advocate review suggests the 2008 may not live much beyond its 40th 

birthday. This isn’t something that’s like d’Yquem at a better price. This is d’Yquem. If you play at this level, this a 

golden opportunity while it lasts. Quantities are limited. 

Special Offer 

YQUEM 2008 SAUTERNES 

score: WA 96 

add to cart $249.99 add a case $2999.88 

From Wine Advocate:The 2008 Yquem, now in bottle, has a nuanced bouquet, with scents of clear honey, lime 

22463 vinmoet 2012-01-06 10:51:55 Thanks Blou. I've bought it for the kids' birth years and have a few bottles for special events but overall, its too 

rich for my blood. Any of the premier crus, in particular, the Guiraud produce excellent quality at a fraction of 

the price. The deal you found is a pretty good one in this market. 

They have families who are dedicated to each patch of the vineyard. These same folks maintain the vines and 

pick the grapes. The hyper attention to detail is part of the justification of the price. 

Everywhere else, they will use a combo of regulars and migrant pickers. 

22465 BrunelloBob 2012-01-06 14:35:31 I just missed an interesting offer on Empire... 



22468 Hinrgman 2012-01-06 15:50:31 B² - that was a sweet offer that ran out quickly. 


They didn't even put it up on Twitter as they usually do. 

22469 AdamEmpire 2012-01-06 16:03:10 BrunelloBob - That offer went much quicker than I ever could have imagined! Sorry you missed it. Look for more 

offers in the future, both the Ship4Free and the Ship12Free should be back regularly now that the holidays have 

passed. 

22471 John O' 2012-01-06 20:07:50 Major, major props to Last Bottle for the 2006 McCrea Syrah splits. 

Unbelieveable QPR. 

22473 baxter 2012-01-06 23:54:53 TGIF 

22474 brooks 2012-01-06 23:57:39 Baxter? You ate the whole cheese wheel and pooped in frig? I am not mad but very impressed! 

22480 WineKnurd 2012-01-07 11:22:39 Vinny, what do you think about these Bordeaux rankings: 

Dry Quality top 3 vintages of the decade- 2000, 2005, 2009 

Sweet Quality top 3 vintages of the decade- 2001, 2007, 2009 

Dry QPR vintage of the decade- 2003 

Sweet QPR vintage of the decade- 2009 

22481 vinmoet 2012-01-07 13:33:10 I'd say that's dead on WK. I'd be tempted to differ on 2009 vs. 2003 for dry QPR...I think the volume is that big in 

2009 and it has the longevity of 05 with much of the accessibility of 03 without the overly fleshy fruit. Pricing is 

the challenge but I think some QPR is hitting the shores. Still too early to tell yet though. So I'd stick with your 

summary. 

22483 WineKnurd 2012-01-07 17:48:57 Right, not quite enough data on 09 yet as the dry "big guns" haven't arrived here yet, but I am super impressed 

with the 2 cru bourgeois I have had. 

22484 AdamEmpire 2012-01-07 18:12:44 WineKnurd - I drank an excellent Cru Bourgeois last night - the Chateau Lilian Ladouys 2009. It was excellent right 

away with the layers unfolding over time. Very good stuff. Vinmoet mentioned the Clement Saint-Jean recently 

which is another delicious one thats drinking great now but will be even better in a few years. 

22485 BrunelloBob 2012-01-07 18:47:01 So Adam...How about a nice 2009 Cru Bourgeois deal for the inmates of Trembling Hills? ;) 

22486 BuffaloLou 2012-01-07 20:06:42 @brooks - What happened to Lou Reed?!! "You got some 'splaining to do, Lucy!" 

22487 BuffaloLou 2012-01-07 20:19:09 Tonight: BenMarco Malbec 2000 - On the pnp, it had some seriously nasty funk on the nose, but it blew off in a 

few minutes. So far, quite nice! More to follow... 




22488 vinmoet 2012-01-07 20:34:41 Chateau Lilian Ladouys is owned by a guy who made his money from the chip on credit cards. He essentially 

created the Chateau and named it after his wife. Invested a TON of money to make a simple, modern style wine 

that would appeal to critics (I write that as factual and not as a criticism). Its a cost effective, well crafted wine. 

Not rock star or prestigious stuff. 

OK. This is how good I am: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s5lmB3ABKw 

22489 BuffaloLou 2012-01-07 20:47:27 2000 Dominio del Plata 

BenMarco V.M.S. - Argentina, Mendoza (1/7/2012) 

C: opaque garnet 

N: barnyard, earth, tobacco leaf, anise, chinese five spice, 

P: mouthwatering acidity, blackberries, chocolate, 

F: long 

Had some serious funk on the nose on the pnp. Blew off after a few minutes. Afterwords, it's perfume filled the 

room; so much so that my wife asked what she was smelling! Beautiful wine that is drinking very well at this 

stage. Tannins are nicely integrated, but present in the background giving nice support to the fruit. Fills the 

mouth with flavors that last and last. (92 points) 


22495 scott w 2012-01-08 13:48:57 Pontet-Canet 2008 mags at my local costco for 125...seems like a great buy! Any thoughts? 

22497 John O' 2012-01-08 15:47:49 @scott w 

buy the whole lot 

22498 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 15:51:58 Thanks for the heads up on the Lilian Ladouys Adam (and the background VM). I will keep and eye out for it. 



22499 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 16:10:29 Bordeaux Rankings part deux- 


Worst 3 dry quality vintages of the decade- 2004, 2002, 2007 

Worst dry QPR vintage- 2008 (prices super inflated IMO) 

Worst sweet QPR vintage- 2006 (to be fair I am calling this one based only on a Suduiraut tasting) 

I didn't do a worst sweet quality vintage because they will always be good, as Vinny was describing its the 

quantity that suffers (at least for the classified growths). 

Vinny and everyone please feel free to chime in on this one. 

22500 joe g 2012-01-08 16:35:18 i have never been too worried about vintage reports... it is naive to think that every chateaux in a region is 

affected the same as the vintage report indicates. regions are too big, have too many diiferences in elevation, 

soil, wind, sun exposure, drainage, mediating factors, micro climates, etc... to be lumped into one over 

generalization. i have had some brilliant 04s. the chateaux gloria is a star in 04 and has outperformed the 

majority of 1st growths i have had and the pavie and pavie maquin are nothing short of sublime 

22501 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 16:41:49 Its all opinion JoeG, and a generalization, an average after you throw out the highs (the Gloria's and the Pavie's) 

and the low's (like the 02 Dauzac that tasted like bell peppers and ash). Its like the Olympics, toss out the highest 

and the lowest and average the rest. Feel free to share what you consider the best and worst of Bordeaux 

throughout last decade. 

22502 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 16:48:43 Steelers FG, now its TEBOW TIME!!!!!!! 

22503 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 16:54:22 tebow time came and went 

22504 BrunelloBob 2012-01-08 17:07:02 BoredDough: That's the place that keeps trying to make wine as good as the Italians, Right? 

:lol: 




22506 BuffaloLou 2012-01-08 18:39:08 2004 Saviez 

Zinfandel - USA, California, Napa Valley (1/8/2012) 

C: deep, deep, ruby/black 

N: aromatically challenged, but what did come out was ripe black fruits & licorice 

P: loaded w/ black fruits, tobacco, vanilla, beef/jerky, licorice 

F: long 

Beautifully balanced with plenty of acid to go with the gorgeous black fruits. Aromatically shut down. Would have 

scored higher with more aromatics. Enough tannins to support, but not too many. Very smooth on the palate. 

Purchased in two groups, once for $16, the other for $17. Killer QPR for either price! (90 points) 


22507 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 18:44:30 Speaking of Boardough, 08 La Croix on WTSO at $40 / pop 

22508 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 18:46:54 From Jeff Leve of WCI (wine cellar insider) fame (from CT)- 

Tasted by Jeff Leve on 7/30/2009 & rated 92 points: 08 Château La Croix St. Georges comes from the same 

gravel and clay terroir as the famed Le Pin. It is only one vine away! This deep ruby colored wine with a perfume 

of black fruit, orange peel, spice, and oak is a treat to sniff. Mouth filling and sexed up, this flamboyant Pomerol 

concludes with a long, ripe, black fruit filled finish. However, there was a tiny hint of alcoholic heat in the finish. 

91-93 Pts (1377 views) 

22509 vinmoet 2012-01-08 20:02:36 WK: The La Croix on WTSO is not La Croix St. Georges. There are a variety of La Croix which are unrelated but 

differ from each other by name variation yet have not connection to one another. There is no WA review of the 

WTSO La Croix. 

22510 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 20:08:21 That's what I get for a quick CT search while watching Tebow! Thanks for pointing that out VM. 




22511 vinmoet 2012-01-08 20:35:55 I'd mostly agree with Joe G on the vintages. 2011 would be a perfect example of a vintage where there will be 

some stunners and a lot of losers and his comments hit the bullseye. The micro climate variations in Bordeaux 

were insane and impossible to track and the weather was all over the map with parcel by parcel variation. 1999, 

2001, 2004, 2006, and 2008 are other examples of micro climate variation with potential for good wines while 

the overall vintage was so so. Yet, there are vintages where things were so bad across the board that I've not 

had any good ones. 2002 and 2007 come to mind. The best Chateaux had the wherewithal to make the best out 

of a bad situation, but these are vintages that, as a rule and almost without exception, are lean and disappointing 

compared to great vintages. Plus, the wines are loaded with chemicals from dozens (yes, dozen is plural) of 

sprayings used to control the rot from the cold, rainy vintage. 2005 and 2009 are examples of vintages where 

you have to go out of your way to find mediocrity because they were so good top to bottom. 2003 is an 

example of a vintage where, if you are in a restaurant, you can pick the vintage and, with Bordeaux, pretty much 

count on being happy. Across the board the wines were big fruit, early drinkers...perfect for a restaurant. I think 

22512 TonyO 2012-01-08 21:11:27 interesting story on 60 minutes about truffles..............what an incredible waste of money paying $1,000 / pound 

simply because it is in the category of "I am goping to drive the price up so I can have what you can't afford' 

...................ridiculous example of how wealth can warp reasoning ................and now the Chinese are flooding the 

market with "knock offs".... 

22514 WineKnurd 2012-01-08 21:54:47 Do we really need to caveat our posts with the "vintage ratings are just generalizations" nonsense when we all 

know we are discussing a region with 300,000+ acres under vine with 2 major rivers cutting swaths throughout 

the gravelly soils, clay laden hills, and wines made when the grapes start to rot with fungus? Come on now this is 

the Hills! Lets just discuss wine and our opinions on wine. If you believe a wine has outperformed the general 

perception of a vintage please feel free to post without any need to defend your opinion. Or if you 

agree/disagree with my rankings post away! Discuss! 

22515 BrunelloBob 2012-01-08 22:59:06 Downton Abbey....Holy CR4P... 

(and I don't just mean the wine cellar that joint must be standin' on top of!) 

22518 WineKnurd 2012-01-09 07:19:57 BBob where is the downtown Abbey at? 

22519 BrunelloBob 2012-01-09 07:23:23 @ Knurd: North Yorkshire, England, of course. ;) 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/downtonabbey/ 




22521 vinmoet 2012-01-09 10:11:14 Talking about Bordeaux vintages, this site has really nice, succinct summaries of each vintage: 

http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/wine-topics/bordeaux-wine-buying-guide-tasting-notes-ratings/bordeauxwine-detailed-vintage-summary-1945-today/ 

It reminded me of an odd, quirky factoid. The number 7 has been unlucky for Bordeaux. Since 1947, any vintage 

ending with the number 7 has stunk. 1957, 67, 77, 87, 97, and 07 were all bad vintages. 

22522 john o' 2012-01-09 12:08:12 very nice gruner deal on cindy. 

22524 BrunelloBob 2012-01-09 13:41:13 That does look like a nice deal. 

If you order from Cinderella / Wine Library, do you still get your credit card stolen in the process? 

22525 john o' 2012-01-09 14:15:06 gruner deal gonzo 

22526 wine magnet 2012-01-09 14:19:45 Vinmoet: With your earlier caution about years containing a "7" in mind, do you have any thoughts on the 

current LB offering of Chateau Pipeau 2007 for $17, w/FS for 6. If one throws out the two 84pt CT reviews from 

the same person and one of the 92 pt scores, you still have a 90 pt average, which seems attractive for a Grand 

Cru. The more recent reviews are tempting me. 

22527 luddite 2012-01-09 14:47:35 @WM believe you would be wise to heed @vinny's warning. Per wine searcher here are the critic scores: 

Wine Spectator 84-87/100 2010 to 2014 

La Revue du Vin de France 15/20 

Vinum Wine Magazine 14.5/20 2012 to 2015 

Also the '09 is available at $21.98 here: 

http://www.tableandvine.com/catalog/wine/france/bordeaux/st_emilion/pipeau_fut.html 

22528 wine magnet 2012-01-09 14:57:15 Lud: Thanks for the additional info. I am easily tempted, regardless of being short of space for wines coming 

soon. I did not pull the trigger on it or Adam's offering this past weekend. I am going to have another "clear out 

the cellar tasting" next Sat, just to whittle down the 350+ wines which are in or past their CT "drinking windows". 

Of course that will probably only get around 20-25 bottles opened and I have dozens coming. 

22529 hinrgman 2012-01-09 15:05:37 Amarone up on Cindy now to replace the pumpkin. 

22532 vinmoet 2012-01-09 18:24:21 I don't think you missed anything by not buying the Pipeau. I think the '07 Monbousquet for $20 w/free shipping 

was a much better value play and I still wouldn't buy that one again. You'll be happier with some of the fleshier 

'09's that are hitting the shores. 

22535 WineKnurd 2012-01-09 21:42:20 07 Monbousquet for $20? Free shipping? Where at? At that price it *might* deliver some value... 




22536 joe g 2012-01-09 21:49:44 moet.. i had one of my 07 monbo la reserves yest and was very happy wih it. plump, juicy, inky, graphite, 

pyrazine.... good mouthfeel and med and balanced finished... solid 90+ for me 

22537 joe g 2012-01-09 21:51:36 moet, have you had the 07 pipeau? 

22538 WineKnurd 2012-01-09 22:07:40 JoeG how much was that 07 Monbo LR? 

22539 WineKnurd 2012-01-09 22:28:48 9 minutes left in the 3Q of the championship game, will we have a TD at any point? 

22540 joe g 2012-01-09 22:38:22 knurd.... $20 

22544 john o' 2012-01-10 09:04:09 2006 faiveley meursault on Last Bottle. No email sent. Act quick 

22545 David T 2012-01-10 09:43:17 Just goes to show you you have no idea what goes on in your / your children's teachers lives outside of the 

classroom and how they can set it all aside when they come to work each day. I'm still numb after reading this; I 

had Señor Gilkey two different years in high school and he was one of the most kind enthusiastic people I have 

ever had the pleasure of meeting. http://bit.ly/AocaUh 

22547 vinmoet 2012-01-10 10:03:32 joe g: I bought 6 bottles of it and have drunk 3. All consistent notes. For me it was a well made wine for the 

vintage. Forgetting the challenges of the vintage, it was lean up front, good mid palate but with a weak finish. I 

gave it 88 points. Its a classic example of a great winemaker making the best of a bad vintage. The best wine I've 

had of the vintage is the '07 Rauzan Segla which I gave 89 points. Haut Brion and La Mission tied Monbousquet 

at 88 points. Everybody else has been lower. 

It was a great deal at 20 bones w/shipping but I don't feel motivated to buy any more. I'd say the '05 Lalande 

Borie for, I think, the same price on Cindy way back when was a much better wine. 

Pipeau buyers: I have not had the '07 Pipeau. Its a good price and, if you have low expectations, I suspect you 

will be satisfied. I just rather spend the money elsewhere. 

22548 vinmoet 2012-01-10 11:18:06 WTSO has the 2008 Ch. Haut Gravet for 20 bones w/shipping, minimum 4 bottles. They show WS 90 RP 89-91. 

The most recent Parker review is 89 points: 

"This attractive, seductive 2008 reveals plenty of oak and earth along with copious quantities of red and black 

fruits in its perfumed, supple textured, succulent personality. Drink this medium-bodied wine over the next 

decade." 

I've not had this wine. I am somewhat familiar with the family which has several Chateaux and are implementing 

more modern facilities. As for the vintage, I like right bank '08. 




22549 vinmoet 2012-01-10 12:17:45 I was trolling WL and noticed that they are getting gobs of '09 Burgundy in. The challenge is finding decent stuff 

in that sub $30 range. 

As for Bordeaux on WL, I like the following values: 

At sub $50: https://winelibrary.com/wines/64067-09-reserve-de-la-comtesse 

https://winelibrary.com/wines/7844-05-chateau-chauvin 

At sub $30: https://winelibrary.com/products/63467-09-clos-les-lunelles 

These will both drink young, although the Reserve de la Comtesse will be sublime after 10+ years. 

22550 joe g 2012-01-10 12:20:28 moet.. thanks for the input... the bottle of monbo la reserve i had was plump up front and while not mindblowing 

length it was certainly enough... prob why i enjoyed it more than you... out of curiosity how long did you have 

them before you drank them? 

22551 vinmoet 2012-01-10 12:28:24 Joe: can't remember exactly when we bought them...a month ago+? I had two this past weekend and one the 

prior week. Don't think that they suffered from travel shock. Decanted one for a half hour+ and the other for an 

hour+ neither showing any difference as a result. I liked the wine, just didn't love it. 

22552 BrunelloBob 2012-01-10 12:31:41 Now a word from the competition... 

Nice looking Italian on Empire. I don't think I've had the wine, but I've had others from Bastianich and, while not 

a fan of the celebrity angle, the wines were solid. 

22553 wine magnet 2012-01-10 12:56:57 Brunello Bob: I just received an email from a LWS in which they are offering the 2004 Frescobaldi Brunello 

Castelgiocodo Riserva for $49.99 btl., with notes that it had an earlier WS 95pt, and more recently a 93pt score. 

Any thoughts on the value? Italy is not heavily represented among my wines, so having a few might be nice. 

22554 vinmoet 2012-01-10 13:44:32 KisforKate: Was going to go to Devilshead this weekend. But, you've got no snow!!! Had the Wisconsin Shuffle 

all planned out...picked the wines and everything. Am bummed but think I am going to cancel. We will head up 

there President's weekend. Hey, what was that Chalet place kind of southwest of you? 

Have you seen Chalet Girl? Predictable and not a lot of layers to that onion, but it has English accents and shots 

of the Alps which have to count for something. We thought that it fell into the watchable, once, category. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYkVRi5Vuq8 




22555 BrunelloBob 2012-01-10 14:22:29 @Mags: 

Castelgiocodo IS a legit, respected producer and that looks like a good price for a 2004 riserva. 

I'm holding the normale version of the 2004. Suckling laid 95 points on that one and I paid $69.99 for it before I 

discovered the internet. Suckling can be high on Brunello, but I trust him relatively speaking. That said, I have 

some concerns re: the wisdom of the purchase. I've seen some mixed reviews lately on the normale and I've 

seen the bottle discounted. 

I'd say at $49.99 for the riserva: Go for it. Good luck. 

22556 K is for Kate 2012-01-10 14:56:47 @vinmoet- The weather has been crazy! It's nearly 50 out today, but it's supposed to get cold and snow on 

Thursday. I think it was the New Glarus Hotel that we were talking about because they have Raclette. 

http://www.newglarushotel.com 

I haven't seen Chalet Girl, but am certainly in agreement that English accents and the Alps can make many things 

worthwhile. 

22561 John O' 2012-01-10 20:18:08 @vinmoet 

hit for the cycle. picked up all 3 of your Bordeaux rec's today when WL offered 3 hours of free ship. 

merci beuacop 

22562 vinmoet 2012-01-10 20:40:20 John O: Nice one. Was unaware of the free shipping. Good job. 

22563 BuffaloLou 2012-01-10 22:46:06 I, too, was unaware of the free shipping. When/where was it announced? 

22564 BuffaloLou 2012-01-10 23:00:56 Nix that request. After some research I see it was a local's deal... 

22565 NY Pete 2012-01-10 23:42:10 fwiw ... that FS on WL today was from 2pm thru 5pm only. 

22566 Phredd 2012-01-11 02:10:20 The code worked for me, too, although I'm not a local. So much for the SIWBM. 

22570 vinmoet 2012-01-11 09:48:36 Luddite: That was some game! While glad for the win, I don't think I want to have to count on Brandon Paul 

scoring 43 points every game. A performance like that is just insane, I'm sure it drove Thad crazy. Yet, the 

poisonous nuts this year are the real deal, the Illini were just lucky to be able protect the home turf (without 

students here) this time around. You're still going to be a 1 or 2 seed come March. We definitely belong in the 

tourney but I see us in that 8 to 12 seed range. I see the Big 10 getting 8 teams in, plus or minus one. 

22572 luddite 2012-01-11 11:50:57 @vinny: Congrats to the ILLINI! 

@all: WL stopped sending me emails with tracking numbers for my orders around the 20th of December. Now 

they just show up unannounced :( Question: Is this happening to everyone else or am I just special? 

22573 BuffaloLou 2012-01-11 12:18:53 @Phredd - I meant it was emailed out to locals, or so it was mentioned on the forum. 




22574 BrunelloBob 2012-01-11 12:34:30 @Ludds: I haven't ordered since the credit card debacle, but I got a call the other day saying "We're sending you 

some futures that you ordered and we noticed that you've got some bottles on hold, can we send those too?" I 

said "yes" and, like you, I got no email re: shipments or tracking numbers. It may be the new web site can't 

support that service yet. Quite the mess in my account order hx.... 

22575 BuffaloLou 2012-01-11 13:08:48 @BB - I have been receiving emails with shipment notification and tracking info right along, and as recently as 

last week. Must be another issue. 

22576 vinmoet 2012-01-11 14:12:34 I use a particular email address for my orders which I never check (15K of unread emails, I average 200 a day). So, 

I'm not going to be helpful here (which is why, as an inmate, it was critical that I post). 

22577 AdamEmpire 2012-01-11 14:30:45 New Ship4Free up if anyone is interested! Thanks. 

I'm looking into some kind of 2009 Bordeaux deal to offer soon too! 

22582 NY Pete 2012-01-11 21:27:23 damn Adam, that's a big boy from my favorite Argentinian producer. 

22583 winex 2012-01-11 21:39:33 I do not get e-mail notifications or tracking #'s either. I log into my WL account &; find the tracking # there. 

Must be a glitch because it appears some peeps are still getting them. 


2008 McManis Family 

Vineyards Petite Sirah - USA, California (1/11/2012) 

C: Deep, opaque purple 

N: Loads of smoke, blackberry and black cherry, vanilla, an abundance of tobacco, a little green pepper. 

P: Jammy blackberry & black cherry, chocolate covered cherry cordial. Flavors spike on the mid-palate. 

F: medium 

I love this wine. Killer QPR. Delicious fruit, but so much more, too! Extracted, but not overbearing. Nice viscosity 

on the palate; filles the mouth with yummy goodness and sweet tannins. (91 points) 


22588 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-12 06:11:32 I am still getting WL shipment and tracking info emails. I received shipments last week and the week before and 

got emails once UPS picked them up. 

22589 BrunelloBob 2012-01-12 06:30:39 My wine usually comes Fedex, maybe that's the difference? 




22591 luddite 2012-01-12 11:08:08 Well WL shipping prices are showing quite an increase as 6 bottles to SC is showing up as $31 vs. $20. I seem to 

remember this happening once before and it was a glitch not a price increase... Any other inmates notice this? 

http://cinderellawine.com/shipping-info/ 

22593 BuffaloLou 2012-01-12 12:50:44 @ludds: A case use to cost me $21 and it's now $22. This seems on par with the UPS shipping rates (I receive my 

WL/CW orders via UPS) that I'm seeing in my day to day shipping at work. 

22594 BaroloDude 2012-01-12 13:39:16 Checking in from ole Dublin Ireland. The Guinness Storehouse factory facility is fantastic. 

No wine stories. 

TonyO, i found the phil lynott statue downtown... cool. 

22595 luddite 2012-01-12 13:40:15 @BLou: Thanks! Figured it out my order had 2 bottles (futures) and 4 regular. Since WL creates a separate 

order for futures, the shipping was $31, 2 bottles ($13) and 4 bottles ($18), vs. $20 for 6 bottles... 

22596 BrunelloBob 2012-01-12 15:08:42 @Dude: Don't miss Trinity College. The Book of Kells is cool, but the Library is really neat. 

And have a Guiness for me; So Much better in Ireland :) 

22598 BuffaloLou 2012-01-12 16:10:25 @BD - I am envious! Enjoy the Guinness!! 

22599 TonyO 2012-01-12 16:58:47 @BaroloDude; That is the definition of cool..............Phil will always be remembered by those that truly 

appreciate his greatness......glad you got to see that and hope you are having a great time in the Emerald 

Isles.....Slainte ! 

22600 BuffaloLou 2012-01-12 19:43:45 Good to see the Hills back up. It was gone for a while there... 

22602 David T 2012-01-12 20:22:21 Inmates residing in North Carolina who enjoy a good beer from time to time, mark February 20th on your 

calendar! 

http://www.greatlakesbrewing.com/raleigh-durham-chapelhill 

@luddite I'm wondering, assuming those got shipped together, if WL would be willing to pro-rate that like they 

do case purchases made over time? 





2008 David Coffaro 

Zinfandel "My Zin" - USA, California, Sonoma County, Dry Creek Valley (1/12/2012) 

C: Ruby 

N: Explosive black and blue fruits, tobacco wrapper, brine, hint of oak & smoke 

P: mimics the nose with black and blue fruits, chocolate covered strawberry, 

F: Long 

The nose is intoxicating; slightly sweet, jammy fruits give way to more complex tobacco and brine notes. This is 

explosive on the nose and palate with black and blue fruits. Tastes more like a Cali Syrah than a Zin. Ripping 

acidity balances the abundance of fruit. Smooth, sweet, tannins. Absolutely delicious! Killer QPR. (91 

points) 


22604 BuffaloLou 2012-01-12 21:52:12 Testing 1... 2... Testing 1... 2... Is this thing on? 

22608 BuffaloLou 2012-01-13 09:26:35 Day-um! I think the blasted ting be broked! 

;-) 

22610 vinmoet 2012-01-13 11:04:50 My challenge is that I work a lot of hours and summer is my peak season which doesn't match up very well with 

the kids' schedule. I used to yank them out of school in the fall for a couple of weeks but my oldest started at an 

insanely academically strong school and I just can't yank her out of school any more. So, that means only long 

weekend vacations. 

I was trolling last night looking for air bargains for March which is the kids' spring break. Scored 5 round trip 

tickets from Chicago to LAX returning from San Fran back to Chicago for $1,100 with tax, TOTAL. Direct flights on 

AA. Me happy. 

So I've got a week. Plan to fly into LA then drive down to San Diego. Drive back up north of LA and take the 

coast to San Fran. We are not big LA fans so we plan to skip it. Looks like this francophile will be sucking down 

some cali wines in a couple of months. Heh heh heh. 

22611 BrunelloBob 2012-01-13 11:53:51 Vinny: No interest in the La Brea tarpits? 

It's not that far from LAX, and what kid doesn't kike dinosaurs? 

22612 vinmoet 2012-01-13 12:04:02 BBob: EXCELLENT suggestion! I've never gone there. Will put it on the list of possible things to do. Thanks. 




22614 BrunelloBob 2012-01-13 12:40:15 :) 

If you're doing the Pacific Coast thing, we liked this restaurant in Big Sur. Killer views, and a really decent wine list 

(in a California kind of way). You kind of have to know the restaurant is there/be looking for it. 

http://www.nepenthebigsur.com/ 

If you're looking for kid friendly things to do in San Fran: We rented Bikes from these guys. They've got a route 

they recommend through the Presidio, over the Golden Gate, on to Sausalito. You can then take the ferry back to 

San Fran with some great views. The bike route can continue on to Tiburon, that part's not bad, but really isn't 

worth it. 

http://www.blazingsaddles.com/san-francisco.aspx# 

Of course you know about Muir woods. 

22617 vinmoet 2012-01-13 14:52:40 I see an Ambrosiaburger with a bottle of Ridge Lytton Springs Zin in my future. Thanks BB! 

22618 mr21cbs 2012-01-13 15:13:54 Hello Inmates, 

Back from my vacation in Mexico. Had a great time. Plenty of tequila, beer, and some crappy wine. Good food 

and a very mild weather. Climbed the Nohoch Mul pyramid, which is the last that tourists get ascend. Paid 

respects to the Mayans... They promised a new beginning after December 21, 2012, so the world won't end. 

Have pictures of the stone that is the "day after" from Coba. 

Did you miss me? 

22620 vinmoet 2012-01-13 15:37:04 WELCOME HOME mr21cbs! So, the crappy wine was from where? 

22622 luddite 2012-01-13 15:51:08 @mr21cbs: Sí mucho! :D Welcome back! 

22623 mr21cbs 2012-01-13 15:53:08 The crappy wines were from Chile. The only drinkable stuff was 2010 Sauvignon Blanc. They had Merlot, 

Cabernet Sauvignon, and Chardonnay - all unapproachable. Of course the wine list existed, but paying $30 for 

Yellow Tail, and $150 for a 2009 Napa Cab was not an option at an all inclusive resort. So an occasional Corona or 

Negra Modelo, but mostly mixed drinks and straight tequila. Found a few that were pretty smooth: 100 Anos 

Agave, which surprisingly drank better than 1800 Silver or Anejo, no hangover and included in the bill, which 

were all important qualifications. 

22624 vinmoet 2012-01-13 15:56:57 I am to wimpy to handle the tequila but a cold Negra Modelo in the hot sun, that sounds muy bien to me. 




22625 BuffaloLou 2012-01-13 16:15:11 @mr21cbs - Welcome back! Nice to hear you had a good vaca. Thanks for making peace with the Mayans, it's 

good to know I don't have to kill the wine cellar in short order! 

Snowing like the dickens! It's about time Winter arrived in Buffalo. 

22626 mcmalbec 2012-01-13 17:17:41 Any thoughts on the 2007 Chianti Classico Riserva offer of Gary's? 

22627 TonyO 2012-01-13 17:24:02 Tonight we will celebrate the GREAT NEWS that Mrs. TonyO received and ACCEPTED a fantastic job offer ! It has 

been 5 LONG months and she handled it with class, dignity, and patience that reinforces what I already 

know...................I am one blessed man ! Tonight, CHEERS ! will be an understatement !!!! Thanks for the many 

kind words through this process. Goodbye Franzia, Hello Insignia !!!! 

Time to shuck some oysters and pop some bubbly !!!! 

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! 

22628 Brooks 2012-01-13 17:52:47 TonyO............Congrats to your bride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Have a second bottle on ice =) 

22629 mr21cbs 2012-01-13 18:45:47 TonyO - that is a great news! Congratulations and best of luck to Mrs. TonyO! Happier New Year to you all. 

~ 

Vinmoet, the sun was pleasant but not too hot. It was in low 70s at night and high 80s during the day. The sea 

was about 75-80F as well so it was very pleasant indeed. 

22630 TonyO 2012-01-13 20:05:17 1997 Heitz Martha's Vineyard..............God Bless America ! 

22631 BrunelloBob 2012-01-13 20:10:30 Mrs T.O. is working again and cbs survived the Mexican drug lords. Much to be thankful for tonight. Drink up 

inmates! 

22632 BuffaloLou 2012-01-13 20:34:37 @TonyO - Congrats to you and your better half! Good news indeed!! 

22633 vinmoet 2012-01-13 20:45:24 Bbob: If in San Diego, would you (and the family) take the red car to Tiajuana? I did this a decade ago in safer 

times. Would be fun to do again but not so excited about drug lords.... 

22634 Scott W 2012-01-13 20:54:59 @vinmoet I took my girls down to TJ about six months ago on the red line and had a good time...did not see any 

drug lords "whew". And if your traveling north and go by the 405 and 101 you could stop by my humble abode 

and I would break out some French wine for you :) 




22635 BrunelloBob 2012-01-13 20:58:03 @Vinny: I'm no authority on cross border incursions but seriously, I wouldn't take my wife (never mind my 

children) into Tiajuana. 

x 

If you're desperate for something to do outside of San Diego, there's always Temeculah. The drive is pretty cool 

though the wine is fairly middling. 

x 

You really need a BaroloDude (or Costello) consult in this part of the world, however. 

x 

One more random point: If you're looking for a reasonable hotel in San Fran, try the Hilton in Chinatown. Pay 

extra for the Bay view rooms. View is incredible. 

22636 BrunelloBob 2012-01-13 20:59:58 Addendum: If Scott is local, I'd follow his advice, not mine. 

I may just be a big fat chicken... 

22638 luddite 2012-01-13 21:13:25 TonyO (2011-06-30): "Quite a day today. As I was on my way to meet with a financial planner, Mrs. TonyO called 

to let me know that after 19 years of employment, GE Healthcare was laying her off. Hey Jeffrey Immelt, go 

$%^& yourself................with each setback comes opportunity, with adversity there is advancement, we will 

not be defeated............." 

Truer words were never spoken! Congratulations to both of you on your wife's new job! 

22640 TonyO 2012-01-13 23:39:46 @luddite: thnx for the memories ! I will never utter a pharase that may come back to haunt me ! I LOVE THE 

JOURNEY KNOWN AS LIFE !!! ( the ocassional detour aka a hnagover, not so much...........) may our cross paths 

along the way........... 

P.S.How cool is it that BaroloDude took the time to post about the Phil Statue in Dublin ! In the words of Phil, 

"Are there any girls out there that have any Irish in them " ?"'Are there any girls that would like to have a little 

Irish in them "? ................. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRANU2jvykY&feature=related 

none better then or now..........God Bless Phil Lynott 

22644 WineKnurd 2012-01-14 11:14:37 Can I get some 49ers love today? I need all the Hills behind us if we are going to beat the Saints! 

22645 TonyO 2012-01-14 11:42:44 @WK: as a Viking fan, there are not many teams I despise more than New Orleans........go 49'ers ! 

22646 WineKnurd 2012-01-14 11:51:30 Alright! Got TonyO on board! 

22647 WineKnurd 2012-01-14 12:05:07 BLou I think you misspelled "fruits" in your QPR recommendation. 




22648 BuffaloLou 2012-01-14 12:39:15 @Knurd - Yeah, I noticed that, too, but there are worse things like drinking bad wine! 

Usually my luck with sports works in reverse... the team for which I'm pulling usually looses. Perhaps I should 

pull for the Saints? :) 

22649 vinmoet 2012-01-14 13:28:49 Bbob: You're telling me something I kind of guess was the case. Tiajuana has changed a lot even in the past 5 

years. Good advice. In San Fran there is a local travel lodge style 1950's hotel that is on the border of 

Chinatown and Little Italy. Historically we have stayed there (has free parking to boot) so it holds lots of 

memories. That's probably where we will stay but I am going to check out the Hilton too so thanks for the tip. 

Scott W: Thanks for the offer, but when in Rome do as the Romans...even I, a hardcore Bordeauxphile, will be 

drinking fine Cali wine when in Cali (although, we will be staying with some friends who will expect me to bring 

some old Bordeaux). 

Luddite: That stinks. Hope she gets a decent severance package and takes some time for herself. Crack open 

something special to celebrate a new beginning. 

Tony O: Even though I am a Bears fan I also love N.O. I have a couple of buddies who coach there and have been 

following them ever since they got the new staff. Even attended a couple of practices there in the early days. Its 

really amazing what they have accomplished. I prescribe some high ABV wine for you, that's what keeps us 

Bears/Cubs fans going. 

22650 WineKnurd 2012-01-14 14:09:05 Vinny, after all we have been through you now I find out you are a Saints fan? :) 

http://www.delongwine.com/metro-france-wine-map.php 

Got the Metro Wine Map of France for xmas but just got it framed and mounted this weekend (slack I know). It's 

really cool. Vinny I figured you might appreciate it considering your travels through France might resemble the 

actual map, but I also used it to map out Jefferson's travels through France (from what was described in the 

Billionaire's Vinegar). 

It really helps to simplify the spatial relationships between regions, especially in Burgundy (each region is a 

"stop"). It also shows the extent of the rivers. I knew the Loire was quite extensive, but did not realize that its 

origin lies just west of Lyon in Burgundy / S Rhone. Nor did I realize that the Garonne's origin in is the Pyrenees 

near the border with Spain. 

22651 BuffaloLou 2012-01-14 15:33:44 All this talk of Phil Lynott (and Thin Lizzy)... How about some Gary Moore? I just love this piece: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_YMLDvvnw 




22652 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-14 15:37:11 Knurd: Go 9ers! I'll be rooting for you too! I always root for the underdog unless my team is playing (I will support 

the Giants tomorrow, too). When I lived in SoCA, we had both the Rams and the Raiders in LA, so I rooted for the 

9ers (Montana was QB then). Should be an interesting few games... 

Trying to get healthy foods ready for the game- it is the New Year, and I don't want to have to give up my wine! 

22653 WineKnurd 2012-01-14 15:38:32 WiM I am going in the opposite manner, wings, pizza and beer :) 

22654 John O' 2012-01-14 15:45:18 @VinMoet 

Any thoughts on the below at $16 

Chateau Clement Saint-Jean Medoc 2009 

22655 luddite 2012-01-14 16:20:56 @John O': From page 1244: 

"vinmoet says: 

January 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm 

Happy New Year inmates! I was trolling about this a.m. and found what could be a great everyday Bordeaux: 

http://www.empirewine.com/wine/chateau-clement-saint-jean-medoc-2009/ 

I have not had this wine. But, the wine reviewer, Neal Martin, has a marvelous palate and awarded it 90 points. 

This is 16 bones with shipping folks. We will be seeing more and more of these kinds of bargains for 2009 which 

is a great vintage from the bottom up." 

22657 John O' 2012-01-14 16:47:33 thx Ludds 

22658 AdamEmpire 2012-01-14 17:02:39 John - This is indeed a great everyday bordeaux - I have some cases of this one at home. Thanks for looking! 




22659 McMalbec 2012-01-14 17:31:04 .@BBob: was in the SD area in October: LOTs of interesting activities on this side of the border, including 

US Marine Aviation Base (Miramar); 

SD ZOO 

Torrey Pines Hiking (Located within San Diego city limits, this 

State Natural Reserve remains one of the wildest 

stretches of land on the Southern California coast. 

Hiking aficionados will appreciate this park’s modest 

trails that descend to the sea, with vantage points 

that offer an unparalleled view of the Ocean. Also, an 

unique opportunity to view the Torrey pine trees, 

one of the rarest pine breeds in the United States, 

found only there and on the island of Santa Rosa. Enjoy! 

Goooooooo Packers,Go! 

22660 luddite 2012-01-14 18:26:25 @John O': You may be able to buy the '09 Chateau Clement Saint-Jean Medoc for less here (even without free 

shipping): 

http://zachys.com/retail/ProductView.aspx?R=352562&N=4294967254+4294966895+9&Ny=64 

22663 NY Pete 2012-01-15 08:36:31 ok Mr CBS, it's the 15th, time for a new QPR ... :) 

22665 TonyO 2012-01-15 09:21:30 @BL: another huge loss, the death of Gary Moore........man could he play............. 

22667 vinmoet 2012-01-15 12:39:17 Bbob: Am still looking around, but I've got a reservation at our old San Fran haunt. The rooms are under 90 

bones and include parking: http://royalpacificmotorinn.com/ 

Its at 661 Broadway with Chinatown on one side of the road and little Italy on the other. Going to have to stick 

with beer for dinner in Chinatown. 

Its pretty basic fare but in a fantastic location and is loads of fun. That said, won't spurn a deal at a fancier place. 

22670 vinmoet 2012-01-15 12:59:54 OK, so I will pay nothing for hotel but am willing to blow bucks on food? Who wudda thunk? 

Has anyone done the wine train in Napa? http://winetrain.com/ It is obviously touristy but it just seems like it 

must be done. My kids can dine glam or slum with the best of them so I don't mind spending 130 bones on lunch 

if its worth it. Any of our Caliphiles done this? 



22671 BrunelloBob 2012-01-15 14:42:10 Vinny: Talk like a local: San Fran Little Italy = North Beach, Non? 


We've done the Wine Train and (cost aside) I think it's a good play for a first timer. Or grownups that want to 

drink without driving. :) :). You basically parallel the southern portion of the main road through Napa Valley. 

Redundancy wasn't an issue for us as we were headed to Sonoma the next day anyway. 

However, it may be a bit long for kids to sit. Plan on sitting/eating for two hours with another hour before/after 

dinner to "explore" the train. The exploration part will be really cool for the kids. There are several antique cars 

to check out. You can get outside on the decks (or whatever they call the open space at the back of the cars) The 

key for parents, it would seem, is whether or not your kids can sit still for the two hours with nothing to do but 

eat and look out the window. The food is good/not great. Same for the wine, and you're paying for the wine 

seperately I belive. 

If you're going to do it, consider the Vista Dome. You ride higher, the view is better, though the car itself isn't 

quite as classic. The food may be a bit better. 

If you're looking for relatively reasonable accomondations within walking distance, check out the Napa River INN. 

22672 BuffaloLou 2012-01-15 15:06:54 @Vinny - I haven't been there (Napa) in over 15 years, but the last time we were there we stayed at The Rancho 

Caymus Inn, next door to BV. Lovely accommodations with fire burning fireplaces in the rooms. (Very, very, nice 

if it's just you and the Mrs!) We were there in October and the smell of the fermenting juice permeated the air, 

and the early morning fog was just amazing. They have (had?) a outdoor dining courtyard which was perfect for 

dining. We enjoyed picking up some charcuterie at a deli in Napa (the town) and dined in the courtyard with a 

local bottle purchased the day before. Wonderful! (Even if you don't stay there, you could consider a picnic 

lunch!) Maybe some locals can shed more light on Rancho Caymus Inn. 

Hope you have a great time! 




22673 vinmoet 2012-01-15 16:12:19 North Beach = SF Little Italy. Got it, at least until I forget. As for a 3 hour meal for kids...we do this in France all 

the time so no problem for the bambinos. We went out for dinner at a trendy restaurant last night which has a 

tapas menu...the waitress was wide eyed when our 8 year old was rattling off his selections to her. That was a 2 

hour meal and no dvd player or DS was needed. 

Thanks for the tips on the Napa train...I will discuss this with Mrs. V and get a final ruling on it. We've got limited 

time there so I want pre-plan the critical chunks. If we don't do it, then I want to eat at a serious Cali style 

restaurant in SF, preferably seafood and a place that local foodies would eat at. Suggestions? 

Mrs. V made us boeuf bourguignon this past week. You normally want to make it with red burgundy, possibly a 

village beaujolais or even a cotes du rhone...something medium bodied. Well, she grabbed a bottle of that '07 

Monbousquet. Rich does not begin to describe it's impact. Just fantastic. I like the burgundy version more, but 

the Bordeaux wine provided an unexpected change of pace and serious deep, dark color. I'm going to talk her 

into making both types at once so we can compare and contrast. She hasn't said no. 

When we go to San Diego we will be staying with good friends and the tradition is for Mrs. V to pre-cook a french 

meal here, transport it there, and then we eat it upon arrival. Her cooking is just that good and our foodie 

22674 BrunelloBob 2012-01-15 16:26:27 Love it: "she grabbed a bottle of that ’07 Monbousquet" and threw it into the pot 'cause that's all we had "lying 

around".... ;) 

Sorry, I got nothing on San Fran seafood, at least nothing that sticks in the memory. Last time we had dinner one 

night in North Beach: It was OK, and sitting outside is always cool when you come from CT, but the food was 

Italian and not all that memorable. Coming back we stayed at the Fairmont (this was a Splurge), scored a 

SERIOUS free upgrade to a 1,000 square foot suite near the top of the tower, and never got out of the hotel :) 

I could probably dig up the name of a pretty good seafood joint we had lunch at in Sausalito if you end up out 

that way. 

Dim Sum for lunch might be cool if the kids are into "tapas" 




22675 vinmoet 2012-01-15 16:27:34 We've got several families coming over for dinner tonight. Serving up a higher end Mexican/Texmex buffet with 

chicken fajitas, steak chili etc. Definitely serving up the Corona, but want have some wine too. 

22676 BrunelloBob 2012-01-15 16:28:26 Where is BaroloDude when you need him? 

22677 BuffaloLou 2012-01-15 16:51:18 @Vinny - Mexican/Texmex = beer, IMHO. 

While I do maintain that Bordeaux goes with everything, I will concede that there are better options for this kind 

of fare. I've got a 2009 Ridge Zin and the 2009 Seghesio (which Spectator put in its top 100 list but I find just has 

too much alcohol for me). I was also thinking about something white and fruity like the 2010 Vouvray that was 

my QPR recently. Suggestions? 

Perhaps an assortment. Corona is always nice, but so is Dos Equis. I like to serve both at our Mexican/Texmex 

gatherings. 

Edit: Doing a 'fajita seasoned' pork tenderloin tonight. Going to enjoy it with... beer! 

22678 vinmoet 2012-01-15 16:57:04 BLou: I really like Negra Modelo too. 

22679 BuffaloLou 2012-01-15 17:04:15 @Vinny - I never tried the Negra Modelo, but I should. I love dark beers. I have had the Dos Equis Ambar and 

like it. 

On that note: Just finished a Sam Adams Cream Stout and popped an "Eight-ball Stout" (Lost Coast Brewery) as a 

follow-up. Tasty! 

22680 Hinrgman 2012-01-15 17:10:19 Last time we heard from BDude was on the 12th from Dublin. 

22681 WineKnurd 2012-01-15 19:34:17 Speaking of beers, we (and especially me) put down quite a few at my 49ers playoff party. Great Lakes (Cleveland 

Ohio) Christmas Ale, Dortmunder Gold, Boddington's Pub Ale, Heavy Seas Plank Olde English style ale, Racer 5 

IPA (from Bear Republic in Sonoma), "Modus Hoperandi" pale ale, New Belgium Fat Tire, Sam Adams Winter 

Lager, Triangle Belgian Golden Ale (local NC brewery), Shiner Brewery (Texas) family pack, and that's just the 

bottles still on the counter that won't fit into the recycle bin! 

Celebrated the win with wine (not the best idea), 2005 White Cottage Howell Mtn Cab Sav, can't celebrate a SF 

win without SF wine! It's 7:30, and my head finally no longer feels like birds have made a nest in it. 

Special thanks to WiM for the encouraging text messages throughout the game! 




22682 mr21cbs 2012-01-15 20:09:54 DavidT, drink something strong to dull the pain of the Packers loss. With a defense like that they were a suspect 

all year. But being so lousy offensively is inexcusable. I hope that the Niners shut up this Giants team. 

22683 WineKnurd 2012-01-15 20:14:21 We did it once already Mr21cbs!!!! 

22684 WineKnurd 2012-01-15 20:25:18 Tweeted from the owner of the 49ers, Jed York- 

Jed York: Justin Smith ruined my shirt w/ a blood stain after the game when i hugged him. Not his blood. He 

kicked ass yesterday! 

22685 hinrgman 2012-01-15 20:50:57 So did the Packers!!! 

22686 WineKnurd 2012-01-15 20:53:57 Packers were too busy with insurance commercials to take this game serious. 

22687 mr21cbs 2012-01-15 21:03:05 WineKnurd, I was thinking the same thing! "Discount double check"? They should have double checked their 

readiness for this game and not discount a pretty solid team, that the Giants were of late. 

Go Niners! It would be interesting to see the Harbaugh brothers in the Super Bowl. l 

22688 WineKnurd 2012-01-15 21:51:30 The NFL might implode if the Super Bowl was Harbowl II! 

22690 David T 2012-01-16 02:18:10 @mr21cbs I was at work this evening so I had to dvr the game and just finished watching it... I will say skipping 

the commercials was nice but of course I was disappointed- even though we got one turnover called our way in 

error, it was turnovers that did us in. I blame WIM & SierraDoc :P From here forward I will turn on my 

typical 'anti-Patriots' card & root for the 49ers from here on. 

I popped the Collalbrigo prosecco to drink as I watched as I was just in the mood for bubbles... it was a Cindy 

wine from when the Cindy comments were still active and I was looking over the posts from that offer... what 

ever happened to Karl B, Chippewa & SNF (winner) ? Someone needs to track them down and have them 

committed with the rest of the inmates... I did end up killing the bottle as the game went downhill. 

@vm I don't know if it's a locals place or not, but I will be in SF in April & plan on stopping here; very wellreviewed 

on TripAdvisor & it appears most of what they do is one seafood dish, really really well. On that 

note, keep me posted on where you go/what's worth doing to help me plan! I have a few SF destinations & 

wineries in mind but am certainly open to more. 

@Knurd Glad to see Great Lakes represent! Good choices there. FYI they will be distributed more widely in NC 

starting next month! 

22694 David T 2012-01-16 11:01:48 @vm forgot the link in my last post... sottomaresf.com 




22695 vinmoet 2012-01-16 11:30:12 David T: I took a visit to the site. Looks great. Since BBob taught me that North Beach is Little Italy, I could read 

the menu like the local that I am. Like their reference to no corkage fee. The wine list was, well, thin, so it may 

behoove us to pick up a couple of decent Cali bottles to take in there. 

22696 WineKnurd 2012-01-16 11:37:50 DavidT re- Great Lakes in NC, I heard that they had made it as far as Greensboro NC, which is about an hour west 

of me. Hopefully they make it into my county soon! 

22697 luddite 2012-01-16 11:39:17 @BB: WL 2010 Loring alert! 

22698 Brooks 2012-01-16 11:42:27 New York Times European Version - 16 Jan 2012 

Well known and loved Piedmont wine poster BaroloDude is missing in Dublin, Ireland. His last whereabouts was 

Jan 12th at the Old Library at Trinity College. BaroloDude was in the museum shop purchasing collector spoons 

and frig magnets. ^ 

^ 

Recently over heard: 

BD: Good day..I am looking to add to my frig magnet collection, do you have any additional ones locked up in the 

back room 

Keeper: Sorry, all the items are on display next to the Vikings horns. When did you start collecting? 

BD: Vikings? Where are the 49er Guns..My first magnet was given to me at age 18 - "WINE - How classy people 

get sh1tfaced" My second "I haven't had my wine yet - DONT MAKE ME KILL YOU 

Keeper: mmm...you must be from the States? We do have a new addition to our offerrings which may appeal to 

you "1 Part Irish + 1 Part Italian = 1 Bad A$$ Mofo 

BD: Sweet I will take a box 

Keeper: I also have "Keep Calm and Drink Wine 

BD: So 2011 ( a women approches him ) 

Mrs. BD: Honey, I am heading over to O'Neills for lunch with our guests, it is the one with the Guiness sign above 

the front door. Please meet us there. 

BD: Yes sweetheart I will be right over 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

6 days later 

An unshaved man is seen walking the streets of Dublin with a plastic museum shopping bag. He is wearing a torn 

O'Neill's rugby shirt. He looks lost but has several cuts on his head. He has a button on his collar "- Give Blood - 

Play Rugby " A local man approaches him 

Local Man: Dude...are you OK? 

BD: Wow you know my name! I don't seem to remember yours. I have been a little banged up the last few 



22699 BrunelloBob 2012-01-16 12:22:42 Vintage Brooks: Keep it up! 


Thanks Ludds, let's hope they show up on Cindy. May break my Wine Library CCSBIWBM (Credit Card Security 

Breach Imposed...) 

Had one of Loring's 2010 AVAs this weekend. Really nice wine, and a QPR in the Loring universe. Surprisingly 

ready to drink as well. 

22700 vinmoet 2012-01-16 13:04:13 This is a pretty nifty tasting event for those in proximity to Chicago who want to taste '09 Bordeaux and meet 

some of the lower level mucky mucks from the various Chateaux: 

https://www.binnys.com/secure/events/ 

For $50, a screaming value if you ask me...and yes, I will be attending. 

22702 BuffaloLou 2012-01-16 14:57:23 @Vinny - Any thoughts on today's CW nooner? 

22703 vinmoet 2012-01-16 15:34:11 BLou: 

The '07 Haut Brisson La Reserve is another Bordeaux where GV helped blend it so they slapped La Reserve on the 

bottle and sold him a ton of it. Parker scored it 90 points so that says something. Its a vintage that I am not a 

fan of. If you allocate 20 bones to it, I'm still not excited. But remember, Parker likes it and he does know more 

than Vinny who has not even tasted this wine. 

The '09 Pontifical I have also not had. I loved their '07 and was OK with the '08. '09 is my preferred vintage for 

CDP. If you could buy it for 20 bones I'd tell you to buy all you could. This is not a rock star CDP, but it is a very 

good QPR CDP. 

22704 WineKnurd 2012-01-16 15:41:34 "Parker likes it and he does know more than Vinny who has not even tasted this wine" 

Knows more than Vinny? Sure he knows more about the style of wine he likes, knows how to write a good wine 

description, and knows how to detect "subtle" nuances after smoking a pack of cigarettes, knows how to 

determine palate development after tasting a wine for 5 seconds before spitting it out, but he does not know 

what Vinny likes or thinks is quality. 

BLou asked you, not Parker. Who cares what Parker thinks when you can ask Vinmoet. 

Vinny give yourself some credit! You can't trust a wine reviewer who doesn't drink the entire bottle! 




22705 BrunelloBob 2012-01-16 15:46:33 Takes me an entire bottle to compose a third grade tasting note and to decide whether I like it or not... 

22706 vinmoet 2012-01-16 15:50:09 WK, thanks for the kudos but note that I haven't even tasted the wine where he has so whether you like or hate 

Parker, he still has the edge on me. 

22707 WineKnurd 2012-01-16 15:55:53 Parker wins this round, but Vinny will go the distance 

22708 WineKnurd 2012-01-16 18:06:41 BBob, finishing a bottle turns me into a 3rd grader too 

22709 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-16 18:32:15 WK: 9ers all the way! We NFC East fans in Manassas are rooting for them to wipe out the Giants! Drank a 

Salvestrin 2004 Napa Cab Sauv during the game... how was the White Cottage? I've got 3 of the 05 in the cellar, 

so I'd be willing to sacrifice one for the cause next Sun. Glad I'm off next Mon! ;-) 

Where in the world is BDude??? Brooks, most excellent as always! 

DT What did I do? I'm no Giants fan, the neighbors and I were rooting for GB, who apparently forgot to tell their 

offense they were supposed to hold onto the ball... 

22710 luddite 2012-01-16 18:50:19 @BB: Just ask your wife to take a sip and then copy off her notes :D 

22711 BrunelloBob 2012-01-16 19:00:00 Ludd's: the woman's a legend! 

22713 mr21cbs 2012-01-16 20:26:12 BuffaloLou, et al, 

any experience with Wine Guerrilla Forchini Vineyards Old Vine Russian River Valley Zinfandel 2008? $17.49 and 

4FS on WTSO Platinum 

22714 wine magnet 2012-01-16 21:16:02 vinmoet: I happened to get this livingsocial offer this afternoon and thought of you and your CA trip. This could 

be fun with some kids. The price looks nice for the appearance of the accommodations. 

http://www.livingsocial.com/escapes/228948-lakeside-california-b-b?msdc_id=44-oakland 

22715 BuffaloLou 2012-01-16 21:28:45 @Vinny - TY for your humble words. 

22716 BuffaloLou 2012-01-16 21:36:45 @mr21cbs - Sorry, I know nothing about the Wine Guerrilla Zin. There seems to be two CT entries for it (seems 

many have a dupe... ) 

https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=859274 


88 and 86 pts CT average, respectively. 

22717 BuffaloLou 2012-01-16 21:49:17 @mr21cbs - Re: the Wine Guerrilla Zin - Reading the CT notes it seems like a descent buy, but not a killer deal. If 

I didn't already have a ton of Zin, I'd probably be in just to try it. Sounds like it's more on the fruit forward side, 

and a bit simple, so it may not be in everyone's wheelhouse, but if you like lots of fruit... 




22718 WineKnurd 2012-01-16 21:49:29 I think the Wine Guerrilla guys were on James May's Road Trip, but I might be wrong. They tried to give Oz some 

silver tongued spiel about the wine but he told them to shut it and let the wine speak for itself. 

22720 mr21cbs 2012-01-16 22:39:05 BuffaloLou, no apologies is necessary. I did read the CT notes for both posts. It was OK. I am really short on Zin, 

so if you have any QPR recommendations, I am all ears. This will be a pass as I wasn't intrigued enough to jump 

in. You and anyone else, feel free to share your latest favorite Zins. 

22721 BuffaloLou 2012-01-16 23:17:22 @mr21cbs - Re: Zin. One of my favs. 

I think the Castlebank is a nice QPR, and especially like the 2008 Castlebank Vineyards Zinfandel Old Vines Giulia's 

Vineyard. Better QPR than the Guerrilla. Also, Saviez is quite good, too. I have several vintages from Saviez. Just 

had the '04 (https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=493841) the other night and it was very nice! (The 

'03 was nothing to write home about, but it wasn't a good vintage for them, IMO.) Of course, I like what 

Rosenblum produces, but I must admit that they're typically fruit forward. 

One of the best QPR Zins is the Coffaro "My Zin". I had an '08 the other night and it was excellent! BL91 points 

and under $11 (club price)! https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=507133 

Of course you can go with some big guns like Ridge, but that's double the price, and Orin Swift's The Prisoner, but 

that's 3X. (Nothing against them; I have them both... just giving you some QPR deals!) 

Recently I also enjoyed a 2008 Four Vines Zinfandel Biker. Very nice Zin with a lot more going on than just fruit. 

BL92 and $22.50 (as you can see, not quite the QPR play like the Coffaro.) That said, I enjoyed it a lot: 

https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=865104 Also, I've had good luck over the years with this 

producer. 

Finally, one the pops up on WTSO from time to time is Optima Zin. I've picked up a few vintages and liked them! 

Another descent QPR play, BL90 for < $15. https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=698517 It is fruit 

forward. 

22722 David T 2012-01-17 01:29:38 @mr21cbs I've always had positive zin experiences with both Ridge and Seghesio. Also Peachy Canyon is good 

& slightly less expensive. 

__ 

I haven't done much blind tasting in my day... it's definitely something I need to do more of. I had my LWS owner 

set up a blind tasting for me today and it was quite humbling- notes here 

http://forums.winelibrary.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38879&p=756656 




22725 mr21cbs 2012-01-17 08:47:44 Thanks, guys, I will look for these online and at my LWS. Appreciate your help. 

22730 NY Pete 2012-01-17 10:38:34 Michael regarding Zin, here are some of my favorites 

Neal Family 

Dashe Cellars 

Milat 

Buehler 

Eberle 

Coppola's Director's Cut 

Neyers 

C.G. di Arie 

and as DT previously mentioned, Seghesio and Ridge. 

Cheers! 

22733 K is for Kate 2012-01-17 12:54:38 Oooh, if we're taking favourite Zinfandels I have a couple that I really enjoy that haven't been mentioned: 

St. Francis Old Vines single vineyards (each of these are really different but I loved several of them) 

Storybook Mountain Mayacamas 

I also have a fondness for Cline Ancient Vines, though the cinnamon flavour that so pleases me is probably the 

result of lots of oak. 

22735 BaroloDude 2012-01-17 14:19:11 Holy Red Burg Batman! Cory at LBW is going insaaaaane. Quite the big names paired up on that deal today.... 

i wish i could "get" Red Burg at this level, but i have tasted the Faiveley (in 09 great vintage) and cannot see past 

its youth. Frustrating... either that or i have to accept that i am a RRV/Sonoma Coast/Central Cali kind of Pinot 

person, and not a Burg man (for reds anyway, love the White Burg.... Karl B anyone?) 

22736 vinmoet 2012-01-17 14:34:36 BDude: Big money for big wines. I've found that while drinkable early, the red burgs really seem to come into 

their own with at least 5 years of age under their belt. The '09's need more than that. The fruit settles down and 

little taste currents flow through the wine bringing out the complexity that you paid too much money for to 

begin with. Have to be patient in order to earn your reward. 

22738 NaH 2012-01-17 15:32:18 Hey Vinny! 

Have you ever done this? 

http://www.marathondumedoc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=105&tmp 

l=index_en&Itemid=51 




22740 BaroloDude 2012-01-17 17:20:15 Vinny Mo! Many garcias. Like you said, there might be a big payoff there in buying and hoping the wine 

develops into something i can dig, but at that price the risk is too high for the reward. Someday i hope to be 

around someone who opens a well aged bottle of Faiveley or the like and then i hope they pour me some... 

maybe then i will get the bug and find the risk worth taking. 

Go 49ers. 

22741 BaroloDude 2012-01-17 17:21:50 1 8 8 8 8 

lots of 8s. good luck. 

22742 BaroloDude 2012-01-17 17:41:04 Brooks! I have a tale of whooooaaa now. cool. 

Vinny coming to SF? when? to napa too? Let me know pls when the dates are... in case i can make a little 

time. 

Skip the wine train in my humble opinion, too slow, too many blue hairs, too many noobs. 

For 500 bucks you can get a limo for 6-8 hours, better off that way if you need someone else to do the driving. 

Restaurants in SF for nice food and great wine lists? email me at dave underscore lieb at yahoo i don't want to 

turn this into a massive back and forth on TH. Places i know best would be cab rides for you, given where you are 

likely staying, but thats ok right? The hottest places to book now are Cotonia (which is next door to big brother 

and other hot place Quince), Spruce is awesome but expensive, Aquerello for high end italian and the best 

piemontese/italian wine list in the city. Firefly is a trendy little place for a reasonable price. Perbacco also good 

italian based cuisine and good wine list. Of note, you will need the restaurant to call a cab for you to get back 

to your hotel, as its likely that cabs won't just be wandering down the street looking for fares. Its not NYC. 

Enough, better get back to work. cheers. Bottle of 07 La Gerla RdM was aweeesoommmmme last night with 

pizza. wish i bought a lot more. 




22743 vinmoet 2012-01-17 18:07:35 NaH: "when will take place the 2012 Medoc marathon?" Doesn't get any more French than that. No. I have 

never heard of this. It looks kinda cool except they got something very, very wrong. They are running. A Medoc 

marathon seems more appropriately to be about drinking. 

BDude: Jancis Robinson says that 4 out of 5 Burgundies are disappointing. Its that 5th one that makes the pain 

of the others worth the while. I really enjoy Burgundy but its not my passion. My odds of success in Bordeaux 

are much better. 

BDude: I will be in SF arriving 3.22 departing 3.24. Am negotiating with Mrs. V on what we will do. I have toured 

Napa before and will probably pass on doing the limo tour. The wine train was somewhat tempting. Are 

basically there an afternoon, a full day, and a full morning. We've done most major tourist things. One night is 

definitely reserved for China Town. That leaves another night, I'm thinking on 3.24, open for another restaurant. 

Our druthers are for a Cali restaurant doing something we don't find in Chicago, Paris, etc. Quince and Firefly we 

are familiar with but have not been to. Spruce is a possibility but seems kind of over the top for us? I'll spend 

the money but I want QPR so if its pricey, it needs to blow my socks off. 

22744 vinmoet 2012-01-17 18:17:23 I don't know how many of you are No Reservations fans, but last night they played their 100th episode and based 

it in Paris: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_MYQMT-ucg 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh3TI4rynEk&feature=related 

Two of the chefs, Yves Comptoir and Christian Constant, are friends of one of my cousins. We've eaten at the 

Constant restaurant in the show and at Comptoir's restaurant that he opened prior to the one in the show. 

We've also eaten at one of the other featured restaurants. Not too bad for a couple of midwesterners. 

As for this episode, it was brilliant. One of the best. It captures what is going on in Parisian cooking, though I 

would argue not what is going on in French cooking all over France. Elements of Parisian cooking go everywhere, 

but not all of it. This episode is an absolute must see. 

22745 vinmoet 2012-01-17 18:31:27 A frequent guest on the show is Eric Ripert a French chef based in the U.S. His restaurants are Le Bernardin in 

New York, The Releigh in Miami, Westend Bistro in DC, and 10 Arts by Eric Ripert in Philly. 

Has anyone eaten at any of his places? I have not. 

22750 BuffaloLou 2012-01-18 00:35:34 Bodegas Ondarre Reserva Rioja 2004, $11.49 FS/4 on WTSO 



22752 WineKnurd 2012-01-18 07:42:00 BLou just picked up another 4 for myself! 

22753 vinmoet 2012-01-18 09:05:11 In for a case. Talk about an easy everyday drinker! 

22754 NaH 2012-01-18 09:13:53 HAPPY BIRTHDAY MIKE!!! 

aka MR21CBS 

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING. HOPE TO SEE YOU SOON. 

22755 vinmoet 2012-01-18 09:19:58 CBS: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ibrtEQEAKs 

22756 mr21cbs 2012-01-18 09:23:29 Thanks, Everyone! 

22757 hinrgman 2012-01-18 09:43:32 Mike - Happy Birthday - May you have many more. 

22758 BuffaloLou 2012-01-18 09:48:11 Interesting read from wine exchange (winex.com) for those interesting in BDX: 

2008 THE BARGAIN VINTAGE 

First, a brief slice of history. Let's think all the way back to 2005, only the second-vintage-of-the-century since the 

Millennium. Yes the vintage was, indeed, special. But the Bordelais took the opportunity to test the water and 

the prices were equally historic. Along came 2006, not quite 2005, in fact the ratings of the vintage were closer 

to the unheralded 2004s when all was said and done. But the prices were typically closer to 2005. 

In 2007, which was acknowledged as a difficult vintage, the Bordeaux chateaux decided it was time to back off 

the extreme pricing they had been asking. So they did lower prices from the historic levels of 2005 and 2006, but 

they were still substantially higher than most of the vintages that had preceded the groundbreaking '05s. Buyers 

stayed away from the 2007s in droves and the Bordelais realized they had taken it too far. 

The very good 2008s were their chance to make amends and get back the patrons they had lost, and those wines 

were sold at the most aggressive prices that anyone had seen in years. Then China happened, creating new 

demand for the very top wines. Then came the 'twin towers' of 2009 and 2010, which renewed testing of the 

price waters and vaulted the costs per bottle to new heights. 

Bottom line, if you look at the vintage charts on the Wine Advocate sites, 2008 was visibly better than both 2006 

22759 BuffaloLou 2012-01-18 09:51:32 Happy Birthday, Mike! I hope you have a great day! 

22760 David T 2012-01-18 10:12:54 @mr21cbs I hope you have a happy birthday and drink something good tonight! 

22761 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-18 10:28:52 Happy Birthday mr21cbs! Hope you drink something amazing today! Thanks for all you do to keep the inmates 

medicated and happy! 




22763 john o' 2012-01-18 11:13:41 Thought I'd share an e-mail blast from Winex in CA I received today: 

2008 THE BARGAIN VINTAGE 

First, a brief slice of history. Let's think all the way back to 2005, only the second-vintage-of-the-century since the 

Millennium. Yes the vintage was, indeed, special. But the Bordelais took the opportunity to test the water and 

the prices were equally historic. Along came 2006, not quite 2005, in fact the ratings of the vintage were closer 

to the unheralded 2004s when all was said and done. But the prices were typically closer to 2005. 

In 2007, which was acknowledged as a difficult vintage, the Bordeaux chateaux decided it was time to back off 

the extreme pricing they had been asking. So they did lower prices from the historic levels of 2005 and 2006, but 

they were still substantially higher than most of the vintages that had preceded the groundbreaking '05s. Buyers 

stayed away from the 2007s in droves and the Bordelais realized they had taken it too far. 

The very good 2008s were their chance to make amends and get back the patrons they had lost, and those wines 

were sold at the most aggressive prices that anyone had seen in years. Then China happened, creating new 

demand for the very top wines. Then came the 'twin towers' of 2009 and 2010, which renewed testing of the 

price waters and vaulted the costs per bottle to new heights. 

Bottom line, if you look at the vintage charts on the Wine Advocate sites, 2008 was visibly better than both 2006 

22764 mr21cbs 2012-01-18 11:14:57 Thanks again, and believe me, you are keeping me sane and happy as well. Since today is a busy night with all the 

kids' activities we will order pizza, cheese stakes and chicken wings. Parents and relatives are coming over so an 

Italian wine night for us: 

2009 I Stefanini Soave Il 

Selese 

2005 Jacopo Biondi-Santi 

Braccale 

2005 Angelo Negro e Figli 

Roero Prachiosso 

2008 La Formica Amarone 

della Valpolicella 

The real party is on Saturday, so if you are in the area - come on over! 

22765 luddite 2012-01-18 11:43:35 @mr21cbs: Let the party begin! Enjoy your day! 




22768 BrunelloBob 2012-01-18 13:33:11 If anyone is shopping: This is decent, fairly traditional-style Brunello from Wine Library, 24 hrs only 

93 WS & WA. Release price $50, we are 29.98! Huge Brunello Offer! 

Today's offer is on the 2005 Pertimali Brunello di Montalcino 

Wine Advocate Release Price: $55 

Wine Spectator Release Price: $50 

Wine Searcher Pricing as of today: $39.99 - $52.99 

Wine Library limited time only price: $29.98 with the coupon code PERTIMALI 

22769 BrunelloBob 2012-01-18 13:40:52 Re: The QPR of the day: 

The Las Rocas Vinas Viejas (old vines?) is even better. Generally worth the few dollars more. 




22770 vinmoet 2012-01-18 13:48:41 John O': I agree and disagree with Winex. Their assertions are all correct. What they don't say is that in 2008 

the left bank was plagued with torrential rains and lots of grey rot. The world wine reviewers generally dismissed 

the entire vintage due to the weather and not the tastings. Parker did the tastings and wrote good reviews, 

particularly for right bank. To some degree, the reviewers had to eat crow, at least for right bank wines. If you 

look at Parker's charts, overall it appears to be pretty good both places: Pauillac (left) 91 

Margaux (left) 90 

Graves (left) 91 

Pomerol (right) 96 

Saint Emilion (right) 92 

22771 vinmoet 2012-01-18 14:12:54 WTSO has 

But, I partially disagree. I was in both parts at harvest. In the left bank they had to selectively harvest and they 

left tons on the vine. I remember fields of unpicked fruit in Margaux. In a normal season they might spray 4 

times with fungicides. In 2008 on the left bank they sprayed 20 to 40 times. I could taste it in the wines in the 

tank (prior to wood). 

While I think that Parker overrated the left Bank (which I liken closer to the 2007 vintage) I agree with his score 

on Pomerol and would actually increase Saint Emilion from 92 to a 93 or 94. 

Thus, I would highly recommend deals on the right bank but I'd be very cautious on the left bank. High end left 

bank winemakers made the best of what they had and made good wines, for the vintage. I'd rather you spend 

extra money and buy more '05 or '09 than find disappointment in 2008 left bank. I do think bargains can be 

found in Saint Emilion and Pomerol. Oh, as for Sauternes in 2008, I'd avoid it. JMHO. 

Domaine Louis Latour 

Corton Grand Cru 

Clos du Roi 2008 

This is a pretty solid red burgundy at a decent price (60 bones, 2 for FS). 




22772 BuffaloLou 2012-01-18 14:32:18 @BB - Re: The Las Rocas Vinas Viejas. Yes, it means "old vines." I saw this on CT, but never saw it locally. It 

intrigued me; I'll have to search further. 

Re: the BdM - I'd love to pick up a few, but alas, no FS code... :cry: 

22773 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-18 14:48:36 Birthday boy: Trying to rearrange my plans to see if I can make it on Sat! Will keep you posted... if not, soon! 

22774 mr21cbs 2012-01-18 16:40:07 WiM the party is at our house after 6pm. Theme - Mexican, plenty of tequila, beer. Wine is always available, of 

course. Our friends (most of whom you have met already) and no kids. 

~ 

BuffaloLou, per your recommendation, picked up a 4 pack of Saviez Vineyards Napa Valley Zinfandel 2007, for 

$18 and FS4, which is currently on WTSO. Got a few bottles of Peachy Canyon at the LWS. But tonight is the 

Italian wine night. 

22775 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-18 16:53:21 @mr21cbs Tequila... that beverage has a way of making me pay the morning after... does sound like a blast! I'll 

let you know! 

22776 mr21cbs 2012-01-18 17:15:05 WiM everyone drinks what they want. Rum, Vodka, Bourbon, Cognac will be on the counter. I have plenty of 

good tequila that has been proven not to leave long term effects (at least for me :D). But you are welcome to pull 

any bottle from my cellar and enjoy with the rest of us. I am certain that my friends from USSR will be enjoying a 

variety of drinks. Oh and I ordered cheeses from the GourmetLibrary, which are arriving tomorrow. 

~ 

If not this weekend, then whenever you are in Philly, we will definitely catch up. 

22777 louas 2012-01-18 17:22:27 Hey BLou! Saviez Zin on WTSO. What say you, BLou? 

22778 BuffaloLou 2012-01-18 17:36:04 @mr21cbs - re: zin WTSO has the Saviez Vineyards Zinfandel 2007 for $17.99 FS/4. I'm in! 

Edit: I didn't see louas' post before posting this. 

To answer your question, "I'm in for a case." 'nuff said? :) 

22779 louas 2012-01-18 17:39:26 I'm in too BLou! Thanks for the push. 

Seriously, great vintage for Cali, I love Saviez, and this was a very tiny production for them in '07, and might be 

the last available on the 'Net (according to WTSO.) I love their Zin, so this was a no-brainer buy for me. The only 

question was 'how much to buy?' Given the limited vintage, a case is a min buy for me. 

Edit 2: Jeepers, I should have refreshed before posting! I see Michael is in, too. Cool! I hope you enjoy! And 

Happy B-day, again! 




22780 BuffaloLou 2012-01-18 17:48:41 @louas - If you like Zin, I think you'll like it. And it's a great price, IMHO. 

22781 WineKnurd 2012-01-18 18:26:27 Happy birthday Mr21cbs!!!! 

22782 WineKnurd 2012-01-18 18:50:52 $50 Barolo on WTSO, 2005 and not even NEWMAN rated, pass. 

22783 TonyO 2012-01-18 19:05:10 @mr21cbs: Enjoy your day brother ! 

22784 McMalbec 2012-01-18 19:15:58 Happy BD Mr21cbs. Will you have to change your handle to Mr. 22 or remain 21 forever? 

22785 mr21cbs 2012-01-18 19:16:19 Thanks you, Everyone, for the birthday wishes. The wine is open, food is coming, let's the birthday party begin. 

Talk you all tomorrow! 

22786 brooks 2012-01-18 23:19:55 Mrcbs21. They say its your Birthday! Well Happy Birthday to you. 

Remember AEIOUSANDSOMETIMESY. ;) 

22790 WineKnurd 2012-01-19 07:12:24 How do you know she is a witch? 

She turned me into a Newt! 

A Newt? 

I got better... 

22792 mr21cbs 2012-01-19 09:26:36 Brooks, what in the world is AEIOUSANDSOMETIMESY? Help! 

22793 brooks 2012-01-19 09:50:18 A- E-I-O-U and sometimes Y are vowels ;) 

22794 BrunelloBob 2012-01-19 09:51:26 CBS: One does not go to Brooks for "help", he's pretty much beyond help himself.... 

These are the vowels in the alphabet: A, E, I, O, U, and sometimes Y. 

Unless Brooks recovers, we'll probably never know what that has to do with anything. The boy obviously needs 

to drink more Brunello. 

Happy birthday, BTW. 

22795 mr21cbs 2012-01-19 10:03:14 Amen about Brunello. We all need to drink more of that. Yesterday had 2005 Jacopo Biondi-Santi Braccale, that I 

picked up at CW. Very pleasantly surprised by how good it was for under $10. I am posting it as the QPR! 

~ 

I have heard of the vowels and consonants, still puzzled, but I always am... 

22797 luddite 2012-01-19 11:15:53 Here's a clip from last March of @mr21cbs's boys in action (just the noise level is enough to make you drink wine 

:D): 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPmAURJgWr8 




22798 BrunelloBob 2012-01-19 12:02:26 I missed the Jacopo Biondi-Santi Braccale on Cindy, I probably had no functioning credit card when it came up. A 

shame, I'd have liked to try it. The family has a bit of history you know... 

22800 mr21cbs 2012-01-19 13:29:03 Ha, funny... My two boys are in CR caps, and the other two are my nephews. (Greg - backstroke, Joshua - breast, 

Jacob - fly, and Andrew, who is 8 here on a 10 & Under team - free style). A family team. Got 3rd place among 10 

year olds. Not bad. Thanks for the memories. 

22801 luddite 2012-01-19 13:29:42 That '98 Chateau Simard @ $12 on Last Bottle went fast! 

22802 wine magnet 2012-01-19 14:01:26 Ahhh, the memories of swim meets...both mine as a Masters swimmer and those of my son and countless others 

at which I timed, officiated, started, and finally, ran the concession stand to raise money for the team. I was kind 

of surprised that some swimmers were not wearing Speedos, but instead had longer suits. Having been away 

from these events for 20+ years, I am sure I have missed some of the changes. Back in the day, it was only 

modesty which dictated the type of suit one wore, but coaches directives ruled, and that meant Speedos. 

I'm guessing that Michael's boys are on the winning MR (2nd lane from the bottom from the appearance in the 

video). If not, I apologize for being complimentary of the lead swimmer's backstroke form. I could never do that 

stroke for some reason, probably because my legs were muscle and didn't float well. That swimmer looks sooo 

relaxed, I envy him! I thought the breaststroker's form looked good as well, but then that was my most 

competitive event/leg, so I am partial to those who swim it. The anchor freestyler really opened up the gap over 

the adjacent two lanes which I could follow. 

Watching this video almost makes me want to go back to swimming and watching age group kids events again. 

While the noise (especially in an indoor pool) can nearly drive one to drink, the enthusiasm of LOTS of kids (and 

parents) screaming for their teammates is very addictive. I can understand why Michael does this. 

22803 wine magnet 2012-01-19 14:20:30 Michael: Had I refreshed before my post, I would have known the identities of the swimmers and their finish 

place, but alas, I had to accept a 3 box shipment from WL from the FedEx driver (while my wife glared at me!). I 

had better change the upcoming deliveries from wineaccess and garagiste to the FedEx & UPS stores so I 

can receive those 10-11 cases surreptitiously. 

I didn't comment on the Fly swimmer, since I wouldn't recognize good form from bad since I was even worse at 

it. Your family is well represented in swimming and it's great that they could swim as a relay. In a few years, 

perhaps they will be swimming for one of the several colleges who come to St. Petersburg in Jan/Feb to rent the 

large municipal swimming facility for practices. If that happens and I am still alive and drinking wine, perhaps I 

can watch them and we can drink some wine, should you still be inclined. 




22804 mr21cbs 2012-01-19 14:36:16 Wine Magnet, our boys were in lane 1, and ended up getting 3rd place, but were seeded 7th. This is Junior 

Olympics, boys 10 and under. At our club they could not find a 10 year old to swim free style in the relay since 

you must qualify. This resulted in an 8 year old, who did qualify to swim at JO to be on the team. He was nervous 

beyond belief and getting 3rd place at a 10&U event, with some kids being close to 11, is an achievement. 

One of my sons (who is in the backstroke leg of the relay in dark cap) is a very good backstroke swimmer. He 

made Zone cut last summer in long course 50, 100m back. Greg fell behind from the start and could not catch up. 

He has been working on starts for 9 months now and is pretty sound. 

You are very accurate, as the orange cap is one of the best in the country! Josh, who swims breast, has an 

outstanding technique in breast and fly, but can't swim backstroke. 

Boys now aged into 12 and under as of October, and getting their butts kicked by the 12 year olds. Amazing 

difference in size, speed, and cut off times. 

I was a runner in my youth (1500, 3000 and 5000m), and although I enjoy watching them, swimming is a very 

tough, competitive sport that I was never able to master. I just recently passed exams for a stroke and turn judge 

22806 BURGHen Boy 2012-01-19 18:05:33 Ah, the old armpit fart warm up maneuver. 

Good luck to the boys Mike - nice race. Thanks Ludds 

22807 K is for Kate 2012-01-19 18:49:16 I am so very tempted to go to the Bordeaux tasting in Chicago next week mentioned by Vinmoet as an early 

birthday present to myself... 

22809 BuffaloLou 2012-01-19 21:02:54 More "Pee Not No Ear" on Cindy tonight. Easy pass for me... 

Presently drinking an '06 Bruce Wayne Winery "Brianna's Blend". I feel this is starting to fade. Fruit is starting to 

become overpowered by the oak on the pnp. With some air (about an hour) it's better, but I think it's on its 

downward spiral. Time to drink up! 

22810 BuffaloLou 2012-01-19 21:08:36 Re: Zinfandel & Saviez Vineyards. 

I exchanged emails with Saviez Vineyards owner, Paul Saviez. He informed me that he "is out of the wine 

business." Sad. Very sad. His cousin has taken over the wine end of the biz (he is still involved with vineyard 

management.) I will contact his cousin, Mike, to see what his plans are, but I can only hope that he continues the 

terrific Zin's that Paul has been making. 

22811 BuffaloLou 2012-01-19 21:30:20 30 minutes after the "Cindy niner" and no posts on the offering page. Things have changed... ;-) 




22812 BuffaloLou 2012-01-19 21:43:51 Check out these pipes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5wnbtnuSfk&feature=related 

This young lady is only 17 at the time she sang this (a senior in high school.) She continues to sing for the Sabres 

and the Buffalo Bandits (LAX). I saw her sing last weekend at the Bandit's game. Amazing voice! (The video truly 

does't do her justice!) 

BTW - Same arena, same pipes, but a "Bandits" game: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9tUoQSbfwE&feature=related 

Quad-trick. :) 

22813 NY Pete 2012-01-19 22:27:01 speaking of change, how does it feel being banned? 

22817 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 06:10:45 Grow up Pete. 

22818 luddite 2012-01-20 07:25:02 @Ki4K: I'm a well known enabler (ask @WiM), I say go for it! The chance to meet @vinny will be worth the price 

of admission :D 

22819 vinmoet 2012-01-20 09:48:53 Ki4K: The tasting is focused on 2009 Bordeaux. IMHO this vintage is better than 1982, 2000 and 2005. Go back 

to the link and click on the list that will be there. There are only a handful of OK players, but a huge number of 

big players and some rock stars. The sheer number of Chateaux present is amazing. This must be one of the 

biggest tastings of its kind in the country. The price is way to cheap for what it is. Plus, go to hotels.com and you 

will find all kinds of deals to stay over night. Its a slam dunk decision. Future vintages won't even be close. 

22820 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 10:49:18 Anyone excited about Anything in the WL Clearance Sale? 

https://winelibrary.com/specials/14882-inventory-clearance-sale 

22822 AdamEmp 2012-01-20 10:59:43 @Vinmoet - Which tasting is that? Thanks. 

22823 mr21cbs 2012-01-20 11:08:37 AdamEmpire, here is the link: https://www.binnys.com/secure/events/ 

~ 

BrunelloBob, I went through the WL list and nothing peaked my interest. Have you seen anything worthy? 

22824 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 11:08:57 Because the 2000 - Roagna Barbaresco Crichet is eating at me... 




22825 K is for Kate 2012-01-20 11:09:37 @luddite and @vinmoet - Enabling effective - I just sent a vacation request for next Thursday afternoon and 

Friday. I was planning to take off the following Thursday and Friday for my birthday, but I'll just celebrate a week 

early. Once I get the ok on that I'll get a ticket and book a hotel. Woo! 

The only things I'm a little concerned about are how to choose what to taste with such a vast selection available 

and how long it will take to start feeling like my mouth has been scrubbed out with tannins... 

22826 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 11:11:15 But that's about it. 

The Burgs are interesting, but I'm clueless about Burgundy, and not sure I like them :) 

22827 AdamEmp 2012-01-20 11:27:07 @mr21cbs - Thank you. There is one of those in New York as well that I will be attending. I will be sure to 

post/tweet some of my notes. 

22828 mr21cbs 2012-01-20 11:45:20 AdamEmpire, are you referring to this one: http://www.bottlenotes.com/union-des-grands-crus#NYC ? 

22829 K is for Kate 2012-01-20 11:48:55 @BrunelloBob- My main temptations in the clearance sale are a few high-end Rieslings and a Lagrein I really liked 

in the 2007 vintage: https://winelibrary.com/wines/61250-09-ignaz-niedrist-lagrein 

22830 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 11:52:35 Kate: Agreed, there are some interesting rieslings. 

The Lagrein, huh? Never heard of it. May have to grab one or two on your rec. Thanks. Love the importer's 

description: 

"Drink now with braised meats or hold for 3-5 years (maybe longer, I've never drunk an older Lagrein)." - 

Importer" 

22831 hinrgman 2012-01-20 11:56:41 According to the website the one in NYC was last night Jan 19. 

22832 NaH 2012-01-20 12:02:28 I may go to the UGC tasting in NY. My friend is going, so I feel the need to go as well. He goes every year. 

22833 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 12:02:42 What's the date on that HMan? 

Got a sign up link? 

22834 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 12:09:28 Alright Kate, I'm IN on the lagrein. 

Can't resist an Italian freak-job varietal. 

Thanks again! 

22835 hinrgman 2012-01-20 12:12:26 Got the date wrong. Wrong tasting. Bordough is on Jan. 24. Next tuesday. 

This is the one. - http://www.bottlenotes.com/union-des-grands-crus#NYC 



22836 vinmoet 2012-01-20 12:29:31 Kate: I tried to narrow the list to a manageable level: 


Red: 

Branaire Ducru, Canon La Gaffeliere, Clinet, Giscours, Gruaud Larose, Canon, Leoville Barton, Pape Clement, 

Rauzan Segla, Smith Haut Lafitte, Figeac, Clerc Milon, Grandy Mayne, Lagrange and Lynch Bages. 

Sauternes: 

Guiraud 

La Tour Blanche 

Suduiraut 

The wines are young and will be tannic, but 2009 is much more approachable than, say 2005. I like this tasting. 

22837 vinmoet 2012-01-20 12:35:45 Kate & others: I've got a large transaction that happens that day which could melt down and take all day 

going in to the next day. A way of explaining that I may or may not make the tasting. I also have some business 

folks who want to meet with me there and after the tasting. It may be that I book my hotel room on my way up 

to the City. 

If my schedule were more reliable that day I would love to try to coordinate a vintage-Cindy/inmate outing 

at/after the event since the venue would be perfect and it would be fun to sample some older Bordeaux after 

slugging down the younger stuff. But, right now, the stars aren't aligning that way. 

22838 AdamEmp 2012-01-20 12:54:57 The one I am going to is on the 25th 

22839 K is for Kate 2012-01-20 13:29:45 @BrunelloBob- I hope you find your Lagrein experience as fun as I did mine. I remember the flavour profile of 

the 2007 from the same producer as being an almost exact match for the blueberry landjaeger I served at the 

tasting (I don't usually eat meat, but I make an exception with Italian wines). 

22840 K is for Kate 2012-01-20 13:31:56 @vinmoet - Thanks for the short list! I have never had a Sauternes before, so I am excited for a chance to try 

some. I hope your schedule works out such that you will be able to make it, but life does sadly sometimes get in 

the way of wine. 

22841 vinmoet 2012-01-20 14:35:06 Kate: The sauternes is dessert, so save it for the end. Like the red wines, it is way too young to drink now but it 

will be more approachable than the reds. I think that the '09 Sauternes should be really in its prime in 2025 but it 

will last easily, if stored properly, through 2060. Liquid gold. All three that I listed are very, very respectable. 




22842 McMalbec 2012-01-20 15:24:29 @ all Inmates: I have been asked to provide the wine for the entrée this evening at a very nice dinner in a casual 

setting. The main entrée is New York strip steaks, which our gracious host is broiling in an olive oil/garlic/mustard 

sauce. The meat will be accompanied by roasted winter vegetables. Several possibilities have crossed my mind 

from a bordeaux blend to a zinfandel and everything in between. Any suggestions you might offer would be 

greatly appreciated! 

22843 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 15:42:43 Dry Rose'. 

But I can't stand the stuff, so I'd probably scrape off the sauce and suck down a Big Napa Cab with the steak. 

(Can't take me anywhere....) :lol: 

22844 McMalbec 2012-01-20 16:10:48 Thanks, BB: put on your shoeshoes and come and join us! 

Several Brunellos out there today, Cindy and the other Gary. Are you biting on either? 

22845 vinmoet 2012-01-20 16:13:14 What are you serving with the steak? 

22846 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 16:26:53 Mic: I think you're seeing Barolos, not Brunello! 

There seems to be a lot of discounted Barolo around in that Quality/Price ratio. I've laid down a few, but they're 

such long agers.... I'm trying to save room for the Really good stuff. 

I've got too much Brunello, too, but I keep buying. At least I should be able to drink most of those in less than a 

decade... 

22848 louas 2012-01-20 16:48:36 @McMalbec: You can't beat a good bottle of Mateus with Steak!! 

22851 TonyO 2012-01-20 17:12:13 as many of you know, I like to share little glimpses into my life here in VT.......sometimes the story is warming and 

uplifting, sometimes it is mournful and disturbing....such is life.............today I received a text from my oldest son 

(22 years old) at 12:20 p.m. that simply said "Love you Dad".........shortly thereafter I learned that this text was 

prompted by the devasting news that one of my son's long time firends had lost his father....as difficult as this is, 

it was compounded by matter in which his father passed..........this once vibrant family man had become 

homeless and was found wrapped in a blanket in the woods near a local university........he had been homeless for 

several years...............depression and dependency have no boundaries...........l shared this in hopes of not being a 

"downer", to the contrary, I shared this as a simple reminder to embrace all that truly matters....... 

22852 McMalbec 2012-01-20 17:13:23 @Vinny: I called the chef for the menu specifics. The steaks will be grilled in a cherry sauce, which is red wine 

based with minced garlic, tarragon and dijon mustard. 

Vegtables with be a baked potato medley, including red and sweet. 

Arugula leaf salad, with sliced pears, beets and peppers.( will use a different wine for this course) 

22853 McMalbec 2012-01-20 17:18:01 @louas: my last experience with Mateus was with bellbottom jeans on a Beautiful Day in 1970. 

Go Bucky! 




22854 hinrgman 2012-01-20 17:23:00 McMalbec - did that include platform shoes? 

22855 vinmoet 2012-01-20 17:23:46 I like the idea of a medium to big bodied red. I like the idea of a Cali Cab or a Zin or a modern style Bordeaux. 

If I were picking a Bordeaux that you could readily buy from WL and was drinkable now (with an hour+ of 

decanting) I would pick 

https://winelibrary.com/wines/23336-03-chat-d-aiguilhe-castillon for $30 

or 

https://winelibrary.com/wines/64142-03-chateau-malescot-st-exupery for $85 

or 

https://winelibrary.com/wines/23160-03-chateau-leoville-barton for $150 

22856 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 17:39:43 Cherry sauce changes Everything: Brunello. :) 

(A Good chianti will do in a pinch) 

22857 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 17:42:17 T.O. : As Brooks would say, "Hold fast to that which is good" 

But you already got that figured out. 

22858 TonyO 2012-01-20 17:54:00 @BB...........as do you (and Brooks) and many here in TH my friend.... 

22859 WineKnurd 2012-01-20 18:31:32 What is everyone drinking tonight? I am thinking about popping an Ondarre Reserva Rioja 

22860 WineKnurd 2012-01-20 18:45:09 BLou, shiraz or zin tonight? 

22861 TonyO 2012-01-20 18:46:06 2002 Jade Mountain Syrah.............very nice............Mrs. TonyO has introduced our 7 year old daughter to the 

Brady Bunch....sure beats most of what is on t.v. for children today ! 

22862 WineKnurd 2012-01-20 18:59:12 TonyO where is that one from, CA? WA? 

22863 TonyO 2012-01-20 19:09:22 @WK: the wine and the Brady's are from CA (Mt Veeder for teh wine and I would have to ask Mrs. TonyO about 

the specific location of the Brady's.....)this was a Last Bottle deal...some bottles were oxidized (and fully refunded 

I must add)..the ones that weren't are tremendous 

22864 WineKnurd 2012-01-20 19:34:34 Mt Veder, very nice! 




22865 John O' 2012-01-20 19:40:47 @Tony O. Yes, the 2002 Jade Mtn Para's have ben terrific. No bad bottles for me, so far. 

Just got in my stash of 2004 same. 

At one time Cindy was the go to site. 

Then it was Empire. 

Now, Last Bottle for sure. 

22866 TonyO 2012-01-20 19:46:49 @John O' : agree about Last Bottle................some great wines that I have not seen on any other sites........very 

quality focused 

22867 BrunelloBob 2012-01-20 19:51:40 I'm on the 2000 Seavey Cab. 

I've pulled some decent, semi-aged cabs out of The Temple (2002 Scherer, 2003 Andrew Geoffrey come to 

mind). This one's decent, but not as good as some prior efforts by the minions of the demigod. 

22868 WineKnurd 2012-01-20 21:57:04 Looks like we are all drinking well tonight! 

22869 NY Pete 2012-01-20 23:48:02 I try to drink well every night ... :) 

22871 David T 2012-01-20 23:50:36 Based on BrunelloBob's comments, I also popped a 00 Seavey Cab tonight. If you bought any, I would 

recommend trying one now. 90DT; very good but not great. 

Regarding the flash deal site commentary, in the past two months I have still purchased more from Cindy than 

elsewhere primarily due to a higher number of riesling/nebbiolo offerings, though overall my purchases from 

them are down A LOT. I agree both Last Bottle and Empire have offered numerous quality deals the last few 

months and I have purchased from both. 

22872 BuffaloLou 2012-01-21 00:49:09 @TO - TY for sharing the story. It's all too important to slow down and spedt time with loved ones. The story 

drives that point home. 

@Knurd - Coffee and water tonight... Camping with the troop this weekend! Winter Klondike!! That said, I 

haven't had a Shiraz in a while; I should pop one Sunday... 

22875 K is for Kate 2012-01-21 04:50:31 So far this year I have consumed 14 bottles (the majority at a tasting I hosted) and only purchased 6. I'm really 

hoping to start making some progress on drinking the cellar down instead of perpetually building it up. I had a 

vague goal of only purchasing 6 bottles this month, but there are still 10 days left, so we shall see if I hold out. 

The two bottles I bought this month and already drank don't count against my total, right? And the 3 bottles 

from Garagiste that I won't see until Spring can't possibly count, either. ;) 

22877 Hinrgman 2012-01-21 08:50:47 Anyone know about the LBW offer - Chateau Duplessy 2006 Magnum 




22878 WineKnurd 2012-01-21 09:19:45 Kate you are right. According to paragraph 17 sub-paragraph 3B of the TH by-laws, the equation for figuring out 

how many bottles you have purchased in a month must be be verifiable in inventory, i.e., if you buy 4 bottles at 

the beginning of Jan but drink 2 before Feb, you have only bought 2 bottles that month. 

Sub-paragraph 4B goes on to say that purchases made in a month for future delivery can either be allocated to 

the month they were ordered OR the month they were shipped, depending on how a particular month's 

allocations are totaling. This decision does not have to be made until the wines are actually delivered. 

Remember, these laws are here to protect us from the heathens who think we "buy too much wine". 

Hope that helps clear things up. 

22879 NY Pete 2012-01-21 09:43:42 Knurd ... with your last comment, you sound like SS Chris ... :P 

22880 wine magnet 2012-01-21 09:45:49 Knurd: I need a complete copy of the TH bylaws, as I just quoted the portions you provided as a rationale for 

buying still more wine and a reason for consuming still more to keep the net change in line. Unfortunately, it fell 

on deaf ears 

22883 BrunelloBob 2012-01-21 12:13:02 Anyone score the 2005 Chateau Guiraud Sauternes from JJBuck? 

22884 SS Chris 2012-01-21 15:25:01 @BBob, what was the '05 Guiraud going for? I see that it's currently showing $38 for the 375's and $65 for 750 

on JJB, but assuming the sale price was better? I was lucky enought to pick up a 6-pack of 750's for $25 per a few 

years ago, but would love to grab some more.... 

While I'm here, belated Happy Birthday to MIke!!! 

22885 mr21cbs 2012-01-21 15:35:42 Thank you, SS Chris, always a pleasure seeing you in our humble establishment. 

22886 BrunelloBob 2012-01-21 15:47:06 2005 Chateau Guiraud Sauternes: 

PCP: 

375ml:$25.50 

750ml:$48.50 

22887 mr21cbs 2012-01-21 16:03:57 BrunelloBob what is PCP? Is there a link, coupon, etc. for these prices? The JJBuckley site is showing very 

different prices for this wine. 

~ 

Any thought on the Domaine De Saint Paul Chateauneuf-Du-Pape 2009 for $25 and FS4 on WTSO? 




22888 vinmoet 2012-01-21 16:23:53 CBS: I'm not familiar with it. I am usually more confident with a Parker &/or Rhone Report review, but WS 

is OK for Rhone in my book. I don't plan on going for it though the QPR looks pretty good. 

22889 NY Pete 2012-01-21 16:39:09 PCP = Private Client Price over @ JJ Buckley 

Michael ... you need someone to refer you and your email address 

22890 vinmoet 2012-01-21 16:44:28 Took the family to an Illinois/Iowa State hockey game last night. Lasted first two periods. Very rowdy with 

drunken college kids on a Friday night. 14 yo and 11 yo daughters not impressed with the language. Didn't get 

the 11 yo to start booing the other team until the second period. My 8 yo son, however, was in heaven. "Boy, its 

really fast dad. Tough like football, fast like basketball. You get to hit people? That's great. Why do they yell 

'you suck' at the visiting team?" 

We saw one fight. Then, later, watched a brawl. 3 players from each team were ejected, more put in the box. 

They played the rest of the game with 4 players for each team on the ice. The Illini ended up losing, but we had 

an absolute blast. Another game tonight, my son is lobbying me to take him. 

22891 BrunelloBob 2012-01-21 16:58:21 @CBS: If you're not on the JJBuck "private client" thing, you want to be. Not every offer is great, but every now 

and then they come up with a good one. They'll routinely aggregate orders too, so you can order a bottle or two 

at a time and save on shipping. Some real quality stuff, on average. 

If you're not on a JJBuck list and want to be, let me know. Drop me an email with the address you want them to 

use and I'll refer you. 

22892 BrunelloBob 2012-01-21 16:59:14 Credit to JohnR, by the way, who referred me. 

Where iis dat Bad Boy? 

22893 BURGHen Boy 2012-01-21 18:00:30 Enjoy your Sat. night Inmates. 

Teeing up some Burgess 97 Cab and some 06 Ridge Lytton Springs (from the Empire 375's) 

Some Belle Glos Meomi as backup JIC 

Rock and Roll 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofh15rYolp4&feature=related 

22894 johnr 2012-01-21 18:12:51 I'm here......lurk mainly, trying to avoid drama. 

22895 luddite 2012-01-21 18:33:07 @B²: I'm on the Buckley PCP list but didn't receive that offer. I get my offers from Neil. Do you get yours from 

someone else? 



22896 BrunelloBob 2012-01-21 18:49:45 JohnR Lives! That's good. 

Dude, you need to chime in every now and then... 


@BBoy: Good luck with the age on the Burgess. Let us know how you make out. I'm curious... 

Ludds: Yeah, my JJBuck guy is Geoff. I had this conversation a couple of months ago. I think with NaH--- another 

where-iis-he-lately kinda-dude...Consensus was: Not everyone sees the same deals, depending on who your 

salesman is. If you're interested in the Sauternes, email your guy and see if he'll sell it to you at my price. I'm 

betting that, if it's not a sellout, you'll be able to get it. 

We should all start comparing notes on JJBuck offers... 

22897 Johnr 2012-01-21 20:29:46 They will sell you any private client deals if u ask. 

22901 BaroloDude 2012-01-22 01:44:16 saw all the Lagrein posts... if you want to learn more, a great SF Chronicle article just a week or so ago on the 

wines of the Alto Adige... 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/08/FDJ61ML0VT.DTL 

a snippet: 

"Like its Germanic neighbors, Alto Adige is synonymous with white wine in the eyes of most consumers. Pinot 

Bianco, Chardonnay, Gewürztraminer and, especially, Pinot Grigio accounted for more than 40 percent of the 

2010 harvest, according to EOS, a local growers' consortium. When it comes to the numbers, red varieties take a 

backseat, with two notable exceptions: Schiava and Lagrein. 

Thin-skinned Schiava, indigenous to the Italian Alps, yields a red wine that is light, refreshing and humble. Its 

name means "slave," which seems appropriate given that schiava is the region's most widely planted grape. The 

fuller-bodied Lagrein is less of a workhorse, and is often used on its own, as a rosé called Kretzer, or to bolster 

the color of other reds. 




22903 louas 2012-01-22 11:02:16 Friday nite around 5ish, Ms. Louas walks into kitchen/ family room where I am trying to find room for 2 cases of 

wine from Garagiste. 

Ms.Louas: What are you doing? 

Me:Trying to figure out where to put this wine that just arrived 

Ms: Hmmm. I thought you weren't going to buy any more wine until we reduced the pile??? 

Me: You are right! This was ordered and PAID for over the summer! 

Ms: Cool!! What are drinking tonite? 

And so it was a peaceful evening in casa Louas!! 

@Vinmoet: We too went to college hockey Friday nite. Arizona vs. Davenport. This is club level hockey. Not 

quite division I and nowhere near the level I am accustomed to from my days at UW. We take Ms. Louas' 25 yr 

old special needs son who loves to go to hockey games at cheer for the U of A! He operates at about 5 yrs old 

and loves it when they crash into the boards (whoa!) and laughs when they fall on the ice. The goals are a 

distraction as they stop play for a bit. The chant here after a goal is "He shoots. He scores. Hey Goalie, YOU 

SUCK! Its all your fault, It's all you fault, etc) Totally get why your youngest digs the action. 

FWIW: Last nite we had a bottle of 2009 Morgon Les Charmes that we got from Garagiste. One of the most 

satisfying and surprisingly good $15 bottles in a very very long time. 

Question: R U READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?????????? The best Football day of the year today (IMHO)! 

22905 WineKnurd 2012-01-22 12:26:41 Is Last Call better than Last Bottle? I am trying to figure out which one I want to devote some time to. 

22906 NaH 2012-01-22 12:28:38 BBob I'm around. Mostly lurking. Trying to stay away from the enablers so my SIWBM stays effective~! LOL 

22907 luddite 2012-01-22 12:34:13 @BURGHen Boy: That would be the much maligned Ridge Lytton Spring juice boxes. Please let us know your 

thoughts.... 

@Knurd: Last Bottle - it's a slam dunk! 

22908 WineKnurd 2012-01-22 13:00:07 Thanks Luddite! One of these days you will have to make the trek down with WiM to an NC tasting. 

22909 luddite 2012-01-22 13:07:18 @Knurd: Thanks! At this time of year, it would be the trek up :D 




22910 wine magnet 2012-01-22 13:19:02 @louas: You've received wines from garagiste? I've got 3 orders which show in OARS as being "arrived" but they 

have not mentioned anything about shipping. I'm waiting for the CdP Mystery wines 24 & 25 from 7/31 to 

change from "pre-arrival" and be shipped. It seems like nearly 6 months after payment is a long wait for wines to 

arrive. Of course the mystery wines I have bought have been great values, so I'm hoping these are worth the 

wait. 

@Barolo Dude: Do you know anything about this barolo?: 

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=7tjix5bab&v=0019K7_GMZJyC- 

OjAeBpGzDTA_ZCH4bMSiBwINFdRXF3FFbzQaqng3TOq6goY43AA5LX97TpEWDd4coX71ykskYzymzpewKAjcpfHnFL 

Eqt5TU%3D 

22911 WineKnurd 2012-01-22 13:39:33 Luddite you in Tampa? 

22913 K is for Kate 2012-01-22 14:49:25 @BaroloDude - thanks for the link to the Alto Adige article. I haven't tried a Schiava yet and now I am really 

curious (as long as I don't have to call it Vernatsch). *laugh* 

22914 BURGHen Boy 2012-01-22 14:52:40 @B2 - 97 Burgess was definitely on the downslope. Not dead but getting there. Some hints of dark fruit but faint 

and not complex. Saving grace is that there is little to no oak and the tannins are smooth so it drinks like a 

quaffer though a bit dull. I have 1 more 97 and 1 98. Will drink soon. 

@luddite - didn't hit the 375 Ridge, we had a CH 179 instead and drank the 2010 Meomi. Those 2 bottles always 

hit the mark. 

22915 luddite 2012-01-22 15:04:24 @Knurd: If I was in Tampa, I would be doing my best to help @WM drink down his cellar :D Not quite as warm, 

but almost always s**w free, here in Myrtle Beach! 

22916 NY Pete 2012-01-22 16:15:51 @ whomever ... go ravens 

@BURGHen Boy: Agree with you re Lot 179 - it's Havens Heaven and I have almost as much as @Brooks! 

@ whomever ... go giants 

22917 BrunelloBob 2012-01-22 18:13:27 Right about now is when I dial in on the Patriots bandwagon :lol: 

(NFL Field Goal Kicker: Worst Job in Sports) 

22918 louas 2012-01-22 20:23:52 @wine magnet: I call the warehouse when there are a couple of cases in "arrived" status. Now is great for 

shipping in AZ. They have always been very cooperative. 206-264-1494 is warehouse number. 

22919 David T 2012-01-22 22:15:23 Another attempt at blind tasting tonight. Lots of nice wines opened, though again I didn't do too well. Looking 

forward to refining my palate and doing more of it. 

http://forums.winelibrary.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38879 




22923 BrunelloBob 2012-01-23 08:09:00 The only way I'm any good at blind tastings is if they are limited to no more than three wine: one red, one white, 

one sparkling. 

22924 vinmoet 2012-01-23 11:19:30 BBob: Its very possible to get confused between white and red too. 

22925 NaH 2012-01-23 12:14:54 Vinny 

What do you think of 2009 Ch Mongravey from Margaux for $30? 

CT for previous vintages range in high 80's. I think en 1er pricing was $25~ 

22927 vinmoet 2012-01-23 13:04:55 Don't know anything about it, NaH. What I could find out about it is that there is no Parker review for it, that 

Jancis Robinson gave it 15.5/20 (which is OK), and that WS was 90-93 points. 

You might find this to be fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hcWPSm2-KE 

My take is that this is a Margaux which is predominately Cab Sauv. using modern techniques from OK terroir in a 

great vintage. There will be a lot of these types of wines in this vintage. Sub $30 is OK, but sub $25 would make 

me more interested. This is not rock star stuff. 

22928 BrunelloBob 2012-01-23 13:27:34 For Rock Star stuff--Go to Italy :lol: 

22930 McMalbec 2012-01-23 20:11:19 A belated thank you to those of you who offered suggestions on Friday for a wine pairing with a grilled New York 

strip steak in cherry sauce. I brought two bottles along in hopes of doing some reconnaissance on the effect of 

the cherry sauce! Since it didn't appear like it would have a major influence on the flavor of the meat, I went with 

a 2003 Ty Caton Cabernet Sauvignon. I thought it was a very nice match and the other diners must have agreed 

with me as it disappeared quickly. Definitely a Sonoma Cab but in the unique "Ty" style. Deep nose and flavors 

with a medium to long finish. 

The backup bottle was a 2007 Flora Springs Trilogy. A Bordeaux blend, it was very enjoyable exhibiting good 

nose, nice balance with a long finish. We finished it off sitting around the fireplace. 

22931 mr21cbs 2012-01-23 21:25:06 Survived the tequila party with just a bit of a hangover the morning after. Plenty of water, some crackers, and 

not even a Motrin and I was ready for some football. I think I will skip tequila for a while now. 

Good games, except the Flyers loss. 

22933 BuffaloLou 2012-01-23 23:45:58 Why is it always most windy on garbage night? 

22937 BuffaloLou 2012-01-24 13:29:40 Clos LaChance Petite Sirah Vertical 3-Pack (2007-08-09) on Woot. $50. 




22938 louas 2012-01-24 14:47:29 anyone familiar with Kermit Lynch wines. 2009 Cotes du Rhone for $12 at B-21. Sounds like a winner but I'm 

flying blind Any direction would be appreciated. 

@BLou:The PS Vertical on Wine Woot is screamin at me but I've not pulled the trigger yet. Your thoughts??? 

22939 BrunelloBob 2012-01-24 15:02:29 Louas: Kermit Lynch is very well thought of. The guy has disciples that will buy anything with his name on it. The 

couple I've had REALLY haven't been my style, however. My sense is that the wines are well made for the 

pricepoint, but you gotta like a particular style. This is a pretty classic tasting note I ripped off the other day: 


22940 joe g 2012-01-24 15:53:06 in reference to the qprs that are posted.... remember that part of qpr is quality and price... in todays case, the 

argument that an 86pt wine for $17 is closer to an ass beating than a good deal... for that quality, you should 

never have to spend above $7 or 8 in a white.. . if its best attribute is 'crisp and refreshing', then you just 

described 99% of all white wines in the world, most of which could cost less than half this 

22941 BrunelloBob 2012-01-24 16:28:47 Interesting. OK, I'll bite: 

Wine Library lists 978 whites on their website. 

128 of those are priced $8.50 (half of $17) or less. 

128/978 = 13%. Far less than 50% ("most of which could cost less than half this".) 

So is the Demigod giving his customers an "ass beating"? 

Or is QPR in the eye of the beholder? It's quite possibe Luddite would score this higher than 86 points, but he's a 

big boy and can speak for himself. 

Speaking for myself, I wouldn't describe "99% of all white wines in the world" as "crisp and refreshing" You can 

throw out all over-oaked Cali chards, for starters... 

22942 joe g 2012-01-24 17:18:14 bob, all this proves is that WL sells 128 wines less than $8.50.. it is irrelevant here as there are no qualitative 

assesments to go along with the price points.. you are trying to argue qpr with only the p. a q is needed in this 

discussion as well for your "bite" to merit teeth. 

btw, i never said half of WL whites portfolio is under $8.50. i said that you could get the same quality as this 

listed qpr for 1/2 the price in many cases.. big difference 




22943 joe g 2012-01-24 17:21:39 bob, i will throw out all over oaked cali chards (a very, very minor percentage of the white wines in the world) as 

you are correct they are not necessarily crisp and refreshing... that still leaves the very high majority of them as 

such 

22944 luddite 2012-01-24 17:37:24 I'm a wine novice with a baby palate that can't put together a decent TN while @joe g is a sommelier. I have no 

desire to argue and wind up receiving verbal "ass beating," on top of the lecture I've just received for 

recommending an overpriced wine. 

22945 BuffaloLou 2012-01-24 17:44:06 @ludds - Not to worry, we still love ya! 

@all - Cancer touches just about everyone, one way or another. This is huge news from Roswell Park Cancer 

Institute here in Buffalo. Read here: http://www.wben.com/Roswell-Park-Unveils-Cancer-Vaccine- 

Process/12083319 

22946 joe g 2012-01-24 17:48:06 wow... sensitive bunch.. sorry guys. 

luds, i never said you had a baby palate or knocked your ability to write a tasting note.. nor am i giving you and 

ass beating for it.. i am saying that if i pay that much for a wine of that quality then i dont feel good about it.. i am 

just trying to let you guys know that there is better qpr's out there than this.. you can do with this info what you 

want... 

22947 louas 2012-01-24 18:11:09 Thank you Brunello Bob 

22948 BrunelloBob 2012-01-24 18:49:20 I'm gonna buy a bottle of this in solidarity with Luddite! 

22949 luddite 2012-01-24 19:07:34 @B²: Appreciate the solidarity but I respect @joe g's knowledge. So looking at other Arneis TNs, you might be 

better off with this: 

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=875752 

22951 TonyO 2012-01-24 19:14:33 In reference to qpr: "A good deal is a state of mind"................. 

22952 NY Pete 2012-01-24 19:29:14 question for BrunelloBob 

why the hard on for Vaynerchuk? 

22953 WineKnurd 2012-01-24 19:48:45 attn CH junkies, I drank my last bottle of the lot 179 during the 49ers game Sunday night. Alas it did not help Kyle 

Williams field a punt, but I thought it was still drinking very well. Still lots of good solid fruit and some bits of 

sediment in the bottle, I thought the texture was smoother than I remembered. Was a hit with the non-wine 

drinkers (though I do have to disclose that some of the non-wine drinkers brought bottles of Barefoot Moscato)... 

22954 BrunelloBob 2012-01-24 19:58:28 @Ludds: DavidT 90 points, thats gotta be worth something! 




22955 mr21cbs 2012-01-24 21:30:29 Joe G, firstly I did not know that you are a sommelier. Kudos to you! 

~ 

On the subject of QPR, inmates submit their recommendations via a form that is accessible to everyone. Then I 

use the median CT rating, divide it by the median lowest 5 prices from the wine-searcher and post the score, 

along with the information and a blurb if/when appropriate. Since the rating that I post is based on very current 

figures but the wine could have been purchased at a special discount from a winery, wine club, super sale, etc. or 

acquired a long time ago, it is not fair to judge whether the same number for the "P" should be used in the rating. 

Moreover, if Luddite rated this wine 93, but someone had a corked bottle, or whatever else, and gave lower 

scores multiple times for the badly stored case that they drank that will skew the "Q". I think in this discussion it 

becomes apparent that I should not be posting a QPR score, as it is irrelevant. Plus as a potential buyer I will 

judge it for myself whether the suggestion comes from somebody with a similar palate than mine, and I am 

willing to sacrifice my money to try it. 

~ 

I would encourage you to submit a few QPRs, stick around, share your knowledge and opinion. It could be fun, 

you know?! 

22956 BuffaloLou 2012-01-24 21:37:51 @Louas - Sorry, I missed your question before re the PS vertical on woot. Limited info available; ditto TNs, but 

there is a little out there and the producer seems to have good experience with PS. Looked good to me, I liked 

the price, went in for two deals. 

Today would have been John Belushi's 63rd B-day. One of the funniest people I've ever seen. Here's some John, 

er, Jake, er, Samurai, er... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FtKGPIiRyM&feature=related 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oSfptHxt5s 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxZt4Kxj2cE 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrxSM_Gxtqw&feature=related 

22957 BuffaloLou 2012-01-24 21:42:28 @cbs: Just a thought: If the submitter provides his/her rating, I would like to see it. We're a small group and I 

think we've come to know how each other rates wines, at least generally, and the input from each other means a 

lot more than a CT score from an unknown person. 

My half cent... 

22958 mr21cbs 2012-01-24 21:46:40 BuffaloLou, point well taken. How do we deal with the Price? 




22959 BuffaloLou 2012-01-24 21:54:31 @cbs: While the submitter bases his/her QPR rating on what he/she paid, we can only purchase at the present 

cost, so I like what you have been doing. It gives a relative "present" QPR ratio. What it was when the submitter 

purchased it is irrelevant as it probably can't be purchased at that price any longer. I think we all understand the 

details. 

22960 wine magnet 2012-01-24 21:54:43 BrunelloBob: I hope you didn't mean to suggest that the Kermit Lynch CT link you provided for the "Cypress" CdR 

was the same as the one currently offered by B-21. The Cypress is probably an 86-87 at best. The Kermit Lynch 

CdR is a different cuvee,which I have yet to try. 

I am a Kermit Lynch "disciple" and have found most of his selections to be right in my palate wheelhouse over 

the last 19-20 years. Perhaps you don't like old world style unfiltered wines, which are hallmarks of his selections. 

22961 WineKnurd 2012-01-24 22:02:41 Have to agree with Wine Magnet that Kermy keeps it old school. Even now that the wineries let him have a hand 

in the winemaking, he stays true to the region. 

22962 joe g 2012-01-24 22:46:32 mr cbs... thank you for the explanation.. i had no idea what those numbers represented.. i see a mid 80pt rated 

wine at $17, my only point is to say that there are much better deals out there than this... wishing i hadnt now, it 

would have at least saved bb 17 bucks ;) 

22963 joe g 2012-01-24 22:50:38 luddite... that other arneis you posted is a good example of what i am talking about... same price as todays' qpr, 

yet a significantly higher quality wine 

22965 BuffaloLou 2012-01-25 00:44:23 Trivia time inmates! Who: 

1) successful musician 

2) PhD in Electrical Engineering 

3) U.S. Senator? 

22967 BrunelloBob 2012-01-25 05:22:07 Mags: Correct, I was answering the general question" "anyone familiar with Kermit Lynch wines" as opposed to 

the specific re: B-21. I could have been clearer on that. I've had other Kermits besides the Cypress, but have no 

notes. 

As to "old world": depends on your definition. I've had plenty of old world wines that I like, including more 

traditionally styled Brunello. I do prefer fruit, as opposed to vegetable, in my wine, though both are a matter of 

degree. And I certainly enjoy a good fruit bomb every now and then. 

As to unfiltered: I think the one thing I liked about the Cypress was the body and you could probably blame that 

on a lack of filtration. 




22970 vinmoet 2012-01-25 14:10:42 Kate: Found out that I will be unable to go to the Chicago tasting. Sent my e tickets to nephew and his new bride 

who live there. Also sent them the list of recommendations that I provided to you. Am pleased that you are 

going...you should have a blast. Am also very jealous and a bit bummed that I can't make it. I tasted most of 

these in the tank at the various Chateaux prior to being put in the barrel. Really just marvelous. Remember that 

you will be tasting wines that really need another decade to begin to show their potential. Some will be partially 

decanted but there won't be any shortage of tannins. 

HAVE A GREAT TIME!!! 

22972 wine magnet 2012-01-25 21:42:41 Are we on line? No posts for 8 hours? 

22973 K is for Kate 2012-01-25 22:04:13 Vinmoet - I'm sorry you won't be able to make it! It would have been marvelous to get to meet you and try to 

soak up some of your Bordeaux knowledge in person. I am definitely excited for the tasting, though, and will 

report back. 

22974 BuffaloLou 2012-01-25 22:39:25 Enjoying a Cameron Hughes Lot 88 2006 Zinfandel Amador County Ancient Vines. Very nice, killer QPR. Wish I 

bought a few cases! BL90. 

I'll second WM's concern, where is everyone? I hope you're all drinking some good vino! 

22976 John O' 2012-01-26 06:34:17 Need some help from the inmates. I have enough wine to last me for 5 years, but lack everyday drinking whites 

for me and the Mrs. I know it's hip to like obscure varietals, but what I'm looking for is a killer QPR Chardonnay. 

My model is the Chateau St. Michelle Chardonnay of a year or two ago that scored a Wine Advocate 90 and could 

be found for $9 or $10. 

Suggestions would be most helpful if accompanied by where it could be ordered. 

Thanks in advance. 




22977 luddite 2012-01-26 07:54:02 @John 'O: One of our former QPRs was the '09 Foxglove Chardonnay ($12). Here's what @vinny and "the 

Robert" had to say about it: 

With regards to the QPR, this is nice Cali Chard that is not too oaked and is really well made, particularly at this 

price point. Its not the most complex wine in the world but it just seems to be the kind of wine that goes with 

summer. Parker scored it a 90: "This terrific portfolio of values is led by Foxglove’s remarkable 2009 Chardonnay, 

a non-oaked, stainless steel-fermented and aged white that sees no malolactic fermentation. Moreover, there 

are 30,000 cases of this beauty, a blend of two-thirds Santa Barbara County fruit and the rest from Paso Robles 

and further north in Monterey. It exhibits crisp honeyed lemon, citrus, poached pear, and honeysuckle notes 

intermixed with a hint of pineapple. However, it is the zesty acidity, stunning purity, and delightful balance this 

naked Chardonnay possesses that make it so appealing." 


22978 louas 2012-01-26 09:55:50 No wine last nite.. Went to a Tucson restaurant called May's Counter, known for their fried chicken and waffles. 

Had the sit at the bar special: "Pint and a Pound" which is a pint of beer and a pound of fried chicken! Talk about 

a QPR! 

22979 vinmoet 2012-01-26 11:30:06 John O/Luddite: I looked at the cellartracker comments and one referenced it as an Antonio.G. review and not a 

Parker review. I went on erobertparker to make sure that my memory was correct and found that it was. They 

show it as a Parker review. 

I don't know if it ranks 90 points by my standards, but I thought this a very pleasant, correct Chard that didn't use 

oak to sell itself...a great QPR. Parker noted that it should be drunk within a year. I don't drink enough unoaked 

Cali Chard to know any differently. So, just a hint that his site shows it as being old already. I'd personally still 

buy it in 2012 but would want to know that it was stored in a cool place. 

Louas: Gotta love it. So, what kind of beer did you select? 

22980 kommander kaos 2012-01-26 11:34:40 @ john o the kommander also was a fan of the chateu michelle 08. In that range, the kommander suggests the 

novellum 09 chard. Kamp kaos goes through this juice faster than navy seals go thru somalia. available @ the 

temple for 10 bones. 

Kaos out 




22981 wine magnet 2012-01-26 11:37:19 John O: 

Among my favorite (which usually means "what my wife likes" since I don't drink much white) Chards/white 

wines are:'08 &'09 Porta from Chile (Sarasota Fine Wines and Tastings) $5 when I bought it several months 

ago; 2010 Chateau de Fontenille Grand Vin de Bordeaux (40% Sauv. B,20% Sauv. Gris, 20% Muscadelle, 20% 

Semillon: $10 at thewinetobuy.com when I bought it; Cameron Hughes Lot 145, $9 at thewinetobuy.com within 

the last 3 months and about $11 at Sam's Club (Phredd gave it 88 on CT and thinks it is a good buy under $15), 

and 2008 Domaine Bernard Defaix Chablis, about $16 from an online WS somewhere on the East coast, which I 

did not record in CT cataloging. In the summer or with spicy seafood/Thai dishes, we both like Symphony (a cross 

between two French vinifera varieties: Muscat of Alexandria and Grenache Gris) in Obsession, produced by 

Ironstone, which is usually $15. Symphony is sometimes a little too sweet, but the floral/fruity nose is delightful 

to enjoy while the wine warms up a little in one's glass. 

22982 kommander kaos 2012-01-26 11:40:26 @ john o the kommander also was a fan of the chateu michelle 08. In that range, the kommander suggests the 

novellum 09 chard. Kamp kaos goes through this juice faster than navy seals go through somalia. available @ the 

temple for 10 bones. 

Kaos out 

22983 john o' 2012-01-26 12:08:24 EmpireAdam 

Well played jumping the noon Wine Library Bordeaux deal. 

22986 louas 2012-01-26 19:13:10 @Vinmoet: Last nite's beer du jour was Tuck Rooster Brew. It is made for the restaurant locally, but they won't 

disclose which local brewer makes it. A light amber brew that seemed just about right. 

22987 AdamEmpire 2012-01-26 19:25:50 @John O' The wine is just about sold out now. 

22989 hinrgman 2012-01-26 20:13:53 @Adam - Hope you have many more deals like that. +1 

22990 BuffaloLou 2012-01-26 20:19:02 Which Empire deal are you guys talking about? 

22991 John O' 2012-01-26 20:25:27 @buff lou 

same as the wine library big banner deal, except free ship on 4. being a NYS resident, not quite as good for me as 

out of towners. 

22992 mr21cbs 2012-01-26 20:42:23 AdamEmpire had Chateau Haut Barrail Medoc 2009, for $14.95 and 12FS, although it was in the free shipping on 

a mixed case of 12. 

~ 

John O', the 4FS currently offers Bodega Norton 'Reserva' Malbec 2007 @ $12.95 

22993 mr21cbs 2012-01-26 20:44:01 Anyone has any experience with Crescendo 2006 Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley? LBW $18 and 6FS... CT 


22994 K is for Kate 2012-01-26 21:37:35 Wow, back from the UGC tasting and that was definitely an *experience*! Thanks so much to Vinmoet for 

mentioning it! I will post more when I am coherent! 

22996 BuffaloLou 2012-01-26 22:40:33 @John O & cbs - thanks gents! 




22999 BrunelloBob 2012-01-27 06:32:22 Nice looking 2007 Rivetto Barolo Serralunga on WTSO 

94WS 94WE $37.49 FS2 

Dude? (will this sell out before the West Coasters get out of bed?) 

23000 luddite 2012-01-27 07:36:54 Last night's wine club featured wines of the Loire valley and I brought an '05 de Ladoucette Pouilly-Fumé. For 

dessert we celebrated the "Festival of Kings" Unfortunately I wasn't the lucky one chosen to be King for a day :( 

http://www.whatsonwhen.com/sisp/index.htm?fx=event&event_id=65105 

23002 john o' 2012-01-27 08:08:46 @AdamEmpire 

labeling a wine: WS90 when it in fact received a range score of 87-90 is pretty bogus. 

Something WTSO would do, surprised to see you do it. 

23005 vinmoet 2012-01-27 09:35:44 Kate, clearly if you were coherent enough to post you were doing too much spitting and not enough tasting! 

Looking forward to hearing about what I missed. 

23006 AdamEmp 2012-01-27 10:19:27 @JohnO' 

I agree that would be unacceptable, and it is something that I do not do. The email says: 

"Rated 90 points by the Wine Advocate's Neal Martin and 87-90 points by James Suckling at barrel sampling." 

When you click on the item on the website -- although it does show the higher end of the range at first -- the 

range is displayed with the tasting note. The higher end is not shown to be deceptive and I apologize if it seems 

that way. 

23007 john o' 2012-01-27 10:28:08 @AdamEmpire 

Fair enough. I was refrring to the way it showed on the summary sheet where it was labeled WA-90 and WS-90. 




23008 K is for Kate 2012-01-27 10:33:32 I managed to try 38 wines last night and many of my favourites were from the Vinmoet short-list. I'll write up the 

notes when I'm not typing on a tiny keyboard, but if I were made of money and could put together a case of my 

favourite reds of the ones I tried, it would be (in alphabetical order): 

Branaire Ducru 

Canon la Gaffeliere 

Clerc Milon 

Clinet 

La Conseillante 

Figeac 

Lafon-Rochet 

Lagrange 

Pavie Macquin 

Pichon-Longueville Baron 

Smith Haut Lafitte 

du Tertre 

A few of those I can actually afford and might pick up! I'm sure there were others that will be amazing with some 

age on them, but I am not experienced enough to predict those. 

As for the Sauternes, Suduiraut was the last one of the night that I tried and I could not have asked for a more 

perfect end to my evening. I also was charmed by the Rayne Vigneau, though part of that may have been the 

winemaker. 

23009 wine magnet 2012-01-27 11:23:30 @KI4K: I envy you for your trip to Chicago for the Bordeaux tasting. What vintages of your listed wines were 

offered? I have some '06s of Smith Haut Lafitte and Clinet which I am curious about but have resisted opening. 

Perhaps your reviews will push me closer to the edge... 

@AdamEmp: Not having the "summary sheet" to which john o' referred, I can only attest to what I saw for the 

2009 Chateau Haut Barrail on your site, which I thought was very straightforward (and not dissimilar from the 

hype at WL). Together, those comments led me to order 24 from Empire. Perhaps they will drink nicely for my 

son's wedding at the end of March. If not, I can fall back on some Leoville las Cases and Lascombes for the 

rehearsal dinner and serve some CdPs/Rhones for the reception. Thanks for your continued efforts and 

participation here! 

Bring on some more. 




23010 AdamEmp 2012-01-27 11:31:45 @Wine Magnet - Thank you. I appreciate the business and support. I am working to get more 2009 values like 

the Clement Saint Jean and the Haut Barrail. The Barrail is drinking very well now and really shows the vintage 

character. 

23012 vinmoet 2012-01-27 11:46:55 WM: It was a tasting of '09 Bordeaux, principally for the retailers/restaurants but a slot that opened up for 

customers of Binny's who paid a nominal fee. 

Kate: What a luxury to taste so many Chateaux in one place. The industry people that you chatted with must 

have been fun too. Now, our next step is to plan your Bordeaux trip so you can meet these folks in their natural 

environment. Even with a weak dollar, we can do this cost effectively. 

23013 BrunelloBob 2012-01-27 12:18:51 Can't let this go unnoticed: 

" part of that may have been the winemaker" ;) ;) 

23014 SCKen 2012-01-27 12:35:36 I thought I was going to make it the entire month of January without placing a single wine order. I had told 

myself that I was done placing orders just because something looked like a good deal. It wasn't a SIWBM per se, 

but I was going to be much more picky about ordering. I had resisted several temptations already this month, 

but today that came to an end. First, I love Barolo, so I could not resist the Rivetto on WTSO. Then Cindy offers 

the C. Donatiello Pinot. I haven't tried it, but a 90 from Meadows is pretty impressive. The positive is my credit 

card billing cycle ended on the 21st, so for all intents and purposes, I did not order any wine in January. My wife 

will be so proud! 

23015 Brooks 2012-01-27 12:38:47 BB did you print the WTSO Barolo? Just above my strike zone 

WTF a Chicago wine tasting event I missed.. 

TonyO..save this date...2013 PHILLY OFFLINE... 

Vinny..nice PN on CW, I grabbed 3....I really didn't mean the mean French comment 

NYPete stop lurking my posts ;) 

SCKen ... check is in the mail right 

Adam/Eve Plumb....keep it fair.... 

I hope all is well...building the Wine Ark now...two of each bottles only...Magnums are welcomed 

23016 SCKen 2012-01-27 13:28:14 Brooks - Nope, not yet. That check won't go out until early March. That's the beauty of it. Now I just have to be 

good and try to resist placing any more orders until after Feb. 21st. 

23024 TonyO 2012-01-27 21:38:38 @Brooks: I have it penciled, no make that SHARPIED IN !!!! 

23025 mr21cbs 2012-01-27 21:43:59 Caved in on the CW pinot noir. Time for bed as tomorrow is crazy busy day for the boys. 2 competitions in one 

day. That snow last Saturday made this weekend scary loaded for them. Me... I am just a driver, screamer, 

feeder, and a part-time motivational speaker. 

23026 BuffaloLou 2012-01-27 23:35:02 No talk about Berserker Day offers? A LOT of Pinot for you pinot lovers! 

@cbs - those sound like all the qualifications for the most important job you'll have... Father. 




23029 K is for Kate 2012-01-28 14:54:31 I posted my full tasting notes from the UGC 2009 Bordeaux tasting in Chicago over on the WLTV board if anyone 

is curious: 

http://forums.winelibrary.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38947&p=759059#p759059 

23031 vinmoet 2012-01-28 18:57:26 Great stuff Kate. Thanks for the link. Now you'll have to taste these guys again in, say, 2025 and compare notes. 

While, for a great vintage these wines are arguably more accessible early, it is still really hard for these young, 

tannic wines to taste great in that environment. Yet, depending upon the moment, the future can peak out at 

you through the wood. These get much more barrel time than the cheap stuff intended to drink young. Its a 

vintage and a tasting to remember the rest of your life. 

I hinted to a mucky muck about how I think of '09 of being a cross between '05 which is a tannic bomb and '03 

which is a fruity early drinkin' bomb. He came back from the tasting re-quoting me to me. He wasn't going to 

buy any 2009 because he won't wait and rather buy older vintages now but there he could taste the quality and 

its potential and changed his tune. I think the vintage will age like '00/'05 but will still be more accessible, 

earlier on, like '03. '09 will be drinking before '05 yet age as long. At least that's what I think now. Gotta be 

ready to change with the wine as it evolves. 

Of course, I came back from France in November of '09 telling my buddies about the vintage. They didn't start 

reading about it until a year later and then came back to tell me that I was right. So remember all of my babble 

about '10 and '11. I'd hint that the prices for '09 are TOO EXPENSIVE but '10 is quality and small quantity. '11 is 

spotty and "classic" (meaning stay away). Combine that with a shift to Asia as a much bigger and growing market 

23033 BuffaloLou 2012-01-28 19:31:50 Tonight: Prime rib, rare, with an AMAZING bottle of 1997 Joseph Phelps Vineyards Insignia. I didn't take formal 

TNs on the Insignia, but suffice it to say that it was singing! 

Warming up: '08 Angel Vine Zinfandel, Columbia Valley (I know, odd follow-up, but I've been dying to pop it as I 

haven't tried a Zin from WA state. (With the exception of a terrific Primitivo, also from Angel Vine.)) 

23035 BrunelloBob 2012-01-28 20:50:20 @Vinny: We need to start paying you for the knowledge that you share. 

Thank you, 

23036 luddite 2012-01-28 21:09:27 Subscription to evinny.com! Count me in :D 




23037 David T 2012-01-28 22:21:38 OK, for those that know more about Vitis vinifera than I, help educate me. I always thought that zinfandel and 

primitivo are the same grape. ZAP says they are genetically identical. But after reading Lou's post and 

going to the Angel Vines website, looking at their 08 Primitivo Columbia Valley, it lists the varietal composition as 

"Zinfandel (76%), Primitivo (18%), & Petite Sirah (6%)". According to Appellation America, primitivo is aka 

Zingarello, and "DNA testing has confirmed that Primitivo is genetically related to California’s Zinfandel." 

Is there actually a difference other than country of origin, if so what, and if not how could a wine from 

Washington contain primitivo? It appears the TTB considers both synonymous so this label could just as easily 

read 94% zinfandel 6% durif (as the TTB also considers petite syrah/durif synonymous). With that being the case, 

why differentiate them on the label & keep this wine in the "other" and not "zinfandel" category on the 

website? Simply something similar to a clonal difference in the vineyard? It's piqued my curiosity... I just spent 

the better part of 1/2 hour reading up/trying to educate myself on this and am still lost. 

23038 BuffaloLou 2012-01-28 22:59:19 @David T - I understood it as Primitivo was the ancestral grape of Zin. Petite Sirah and Duriff is a different issue 

as far as I am aware. Most Petite Sirah is Duriff, but not all is. There is, AFAIK, a lot of PS that is 

old vines, esp in Cali, and much of it is, but not all is Duriff. It appears that there was some confusion eons ago. 

It's just like the name "Petite Sirah". It was thought that it was related to Syrah, but with DNA it was, in modern 

times, found not to be related. 

23039 BuffaloLou 2012-01-28 23:09:27 Gee, the 'edit' function is gone again! Here is an update: 

Wiki (FWIW) states "It is the main grape known in the U.S. and Israel as Petite Sirah, with over 90% of the 

California plantings labeled "Petite Sirah" being Durif grapes". Also, "DNA fingerprinting has shown that the 

majority of Petite Sirah plantings in California are actually Durif". OK, so what are the other 10%???? 

On a side note, I found a nice Australian PS at Premier (in Buffalo) that's quite nice for about $23. (I'm always 

looking for different examples of PS!) I have not found, locally, an example from Israel, which seems to have a 

good amount of PS planted as well. 

And on yet another different note, the Angel Vine Zin is unlike any Cali Zin I've had, and I've had A LOT of Cali Zin! 

Very nice with more red fruit expression than black fruit. Also, note (nice tie in to the discussion at hand... ) the 

Angel Vine Zin is nothing like the Angel Vine Primitivo. Sadly, very sadly, Angel Vine is no longer producing the 

Primitivo. IIRC, Ed (Fus) said (last year when I spoke with him) that he could no longer source the grapes. Real 

bummer because the Primitivo was the best domestic example of the verital I've tried. 

23040 BuffaloLou 2012-01-28 23:11:36 OK, the edit function is back. Hmmm... (Damn digital gnomes!) 




23041 David T 2012-01-28 23:18:48 Actually American zin came from Croatia where it is known as Crljenak Kastelanski via Austria. I'll have to look for 

some from Washington as I've not had one. 

See http://www.zinfandel.org/uploads/STMD%20Divide-HistoryZin_06-C.pdf 

and 

http://www.allbusiness.com/science-technology/biochemistry-genetic-biochemistry-dna/13947355-1.html 

That second link is an especially fascinating article. I could probably just email Carole and ask her thoughts. I'm 

really looking forward to trying the Lagier Meredith syrah I bought on BerserkerDay after reading it! 

23042 BuffaloLou 2012-01-28 23:27:54 "DNA fingerprinting confirms that the ancient Croatian variety has the same DNA structure as California 

Zinfandel". Hmmm... "structure". Does that mean identical or similar? I'm not a DNA expert nor a scientist, so 

I'm not sure. 

23043 Waiting in Manassas 2012-01-29 01:15:02 OK you guys have gone too far into wine DNA for me. I just got back from a lovely evening wine tasting at 

Chateau WineKnurd. I'm sure Phredd will eventually post notes on WLTV. A great time was had by all, and we 

had more successful wines than last month! 

23047 John O' 2012-01-29 15:27:02 @AdamEmpire 

With all apologies to Columbo for coming back to the same thing over and over again. 

You said in part: 

"When you click on the item on the website — although it does show the higher end of the range at first..." 

How is that not deceptive? 

It was never scored 90 by WS. Yes, you can drill down and find out that it was range scored 87-90. So what? 

That's like saying the lie in the headline was mitigated by the fine print. 

It may be 90 if and when they come back to it. It also could be 99 or 81. 

I like your offerrings and your participation here. I'm not trying to be inhospitable. I am calling out BS, though, 

when I see it. 

23049 BrunelloBob 2012-01-29 21:55:55 Downton Abbey: friggin' show just about makes me cry. 

(and my Irish half doesn't approve of that ;) ) 




23054 vinmoet 2012-01-30 12:08:02 Kate: Am anticipating doing the WI shuffle during our ski weekend at Devils Head on President's Day weekend. I 

checked out the "fancy" restaurant menu there and they updated it...to make it more fancy: 

http://www.devilsheadresort.com/dhr/SiteAssets/files/main_content_area/CORN%20__LANDSEA.pdf 

http://www.devilsheadresort.com/dhr/SiteAssets/files/main_content_area/CORN%20__RAW%20BAR.pdf 

Prices are MUCH higher and I am pretty confident that the quality won't be. People who are going skiing in 

Wisconsin may or may not know what fois gras is but the point is that those who do aren't going to order it at 

that restaurant. Its just not going to be good. Very frustrating. 

OK, do a hunter's menu and a fisherman's menu and take advantage of the local foods...I'm not going to 

Wisconsin to eat east cost/gulf coast seafood or french food. There is one walleye dish on the menu and that's 

it. Add some more of those marvelous WI cold freshwater fish, WI beef, WI fowl & some WI cheese 

oriented fare. If you want to get a little fancy, do it by remembering your roots, add venison and elk but keep it 

simple, fresh and local. And keep the prices consistent with Madison, not Chicago. 

In ski season, how hard is it to do a raclette or a fondue? Cheese, bread, potatoes. There are a number of simple 

dishes that could tie local food to cost effective eating for skiers. 

They don't post a wine list so I don't know exactly what is on it, but I guaranty there is going to be more than one 

Cali/Aussie label with a former athlete's name on it to match that fancy new menu. Arrrrgggg!!! 

23056 jpakma 2012-01-30 12:57:53 Greetings all, just thought I might join in some of the discussion here. 

23057 BaroloDude 2012-01-30 16:39:09 great article in the SF Chronicle over the weekend on the interesting or even 'bizarro' 2010 vintage in Germany. 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/27/FDOD1MU0T5.DTL&type=wine 

Looks like you need to really know who to buy and who to avoid in this vintage. Its either outstanding or 

disappointing and little in between. 

@ SCKen... you crack me up. I too fell prey to the Rivetto deal on TSO. 

23058 BuffaloLou 2012-01-30 16:55:51 @jpakma - Welcome to the Hills, Joe! Nice to have you here! 

@BDude - As I've been trying to expand my cellar into German Rieslings, TY for posting the link to the 2010 

German vintage! Looks like I'll have to try to remember to stay clear of it. ("Remember" being the key word... ) 

:) 




23059 mr21cbs 2012-01-30 17:09:43 jpakma, welcome to the Hills. Great to have you here. Let me know if you want a tour of the facilities... 

23060 K is for Kate 2012-01-30 18:22:22 Vinmoet- I can't say I understand their menu choices either. I agree that fresh and local would be a far better call 

than we-flew-in-a-bunch-of-standard-things-that-are-considered-fancy-so-we-can-charge-high-prices. There are 

definitely some Madison restaurants at that price point, but almost all of them are far more inventive and 

committed to using local products. 

I hope there's plenty of snow for you- today felt like Spring was starting to think about coming already, but I'm 

sure it will change its mind at any moment. 

23061 luddite 2012-01-30 19:52:30 @jpakma: Welcome to the Hills I see that many here already know you. Also I don't mean to pry, but are you by 

any chance a Hoosiers fan? 

23064 louas 2012-01-30 21:17:58 @VinMoet: In another lifetime I learned to ski at Devil's Head. At night. Nothing like the thrill of skiing down an 

icy slope full of anti freeze. I believe it is one of the few ski areas to feature a cornfield at the top of the hill! 

Next place I skied was Taos. Quite an upgrade! Since you are advocating dining on local cuisine, may I say that u 

r in Wisconsin, and the locals would suggest da BEERS! Not da Wines! That being said, I would suggest loading 

up the wine skins with a September Mateus and have some fun! 

23065 David T 2012-01-30 21:25:12 FWIW every 2010 German riesling I've had thus far has been very good to wow. 

@jpakma welcome! 

23066 BuffaloLou 2012-01-30 22:21:56 @David T (or anyone else looking to build a cellar) - I just saw this on Wine Berserkers. You may want to check it 

out; it will design your cellar for you (using their racking, but they look to be somewhat standard). 

http://www.designacellar.com/ 

23067 jpakma 2012-01-30 22:26:25 Thanks for the welcome everyone. I know a few on here from the WLTV forums which I joined last January and 

recognize a few names from the DG debacle. 

@luddite I'm an absolute Hoosier nut (at least hoops). I've been to two of their Final Four appearances (1981 and 

2002). The last nine years has been dreadful though. I assume your an OSU fan? 

@David T and @BuffaloLou thanks! @mr21cbs I might take you up on it, I tried to read as much as possible 

before asking a lot of questions. 




23068 David T 2012-01-30 23:04:50 @BLou Thanks for the link, that was fun to play around with! I've got a roughly 11' wide, 10.5' deep space in the 

basement, so I figure three walls of shelving. One preliminary design I did guesstimates ~1500 bottles, which 

would probably be a pretty appropriate size. Of course I plan to consult Joe for design advice as well. 

23071 NaH 2012-01-31 04:27:25 @DavidT 

German Rieslings have been good to WOW since the 2001 vintage. I don't they've had a bad vintage (Mosel) 

since 2000 and the 2010 vintage was rated under 90. 

Buy em up, save em or drink em...either way you won't loose. 

23072 BrunelloBob 2012-01-31 06:18:51 NaH: Agreed re: German rieslings. The most consistent run of vintages I've ever experienced. 

That said...I've been drinking Dr. Loosen's entry level offering for 6-7 years now. One of the world's great QPR's 

IMHO. The 2010, however, seems a bit lacking. Still good, and worth the $9-$10, but not as good as prior 

vintages. 

I bring up the Loosen because (cheapskate that I am) that's the only riesling that I've got experience with over 

such a long time. 

23073 luddite 2012-01-31 07:00:39 @jpakma: Given away by my avatar again :D You will find that the Big 10 is well represented here with Badgers, 

Illini, and Buckeyes in addition to your Hoosiers! 

Most people have the will to win, few have the will to prepare to win. 

-- Bobby Knight 

Trivia: I was a (much too short and clumsy) Freshman at the high school where Bobby Knight's coaching career 

started... 




23074 vinmoet 2012-01-31 10:01:35 louas: I've been skiing there since a little kid. When the snow is good, its a great cost effective place to ski. Plus, 

with its proximity to Madison, there are plenty of college students there who serve as instructors for my kids. 

Taos is the only "real" place I've been to in the U.S. Otherwise, I've principally been in the French Swiss portion 

of the Alps. Though not rock star skiing, still love it in Wisconsin. Don't worry, we slug back plenty o' suds after a 

day of skiing. But, I still like my Bordeaux with dinner yet suggest that rieslings go with many a traditional Badger 

fare. 

jpakma: welcome. Your point guard is from my neck of the woods: http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/mbaskbl/mtt/jonesiii_verdell00.html 

I think the Hoosiers and the Illini are both suffering from "can't win on the roaditis." Your old football coach 

(from the golden years of IU football) Bill Mallory is a family friend and one of his sons is a buddy of mine...it all 

practically makes us brothers! We maintain a friendly rivalry and support system amongst the Big 10 inmates 

here. Feel free to stir up friendly trouble wine-wise or any other wise for that matter. 

Kate: I am going to make do. I know I have good food options if I drive, but my goal is to not have to drive and 

23075 McMalbec 2012-01-31 12:47:07 @ Vin: while I am three hours southwest of Madison, if the weather continues as it is predicted, the snow will be 

gone by Friday. There is a chance of showers/snow on Saturday the temperatures predicted would not be 

conducive to skiing. Obviously, Kate is closer but just my best guess based on what is happening here. Our snow 

cover will be gone sometime tomorrow. 

Go Badgers! 

23076 mr21cbs 2012-01-31 12:48:25 vinmoet, luddite, jpakma and other sport historians and fanatics here... I need help finding a few sport 

motivational books, movies for my kids. Preferably from individual sport's perspective (swimming preferred; 

alternatively cycling, tennis, golf?) or a team sport college or pro. The boys are 11. Thanks! 




23077 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-31 13:12:08 So much for my 2012 SIWBM. Went Berserk on Fri! Great opportunity to try some new producers! 

Jean Edwards 1x each 

06 Napa CS 

06 CS Stagecoach Vineyard 

Sandler: 2x ea 

10 PN Keefer Ranch 

10 PN Bien Nacido 

10 PN Clos Pepe 

Vincent: 1 x ea 

10 Armstrong Vineyard PN 

10 Zenith PN 

10 Ribbon Ridge PN 

Helio Terra 3 x ea 

10 Willamette Valley PN 

10 Vintners Select PN 

Kendric 

6 x 08 Marin County PN 

Siduri 1 x ea 

09 Cargassachi PN 

09 Clos Pepe PN 

09 Sta Rita Hills PN 

b i i d 




23078 jpakma 2012-01-31 13:19:41 @vinmoet VJ III has been a great example of a collegiate athlete at Indiana. That kid has put up with more crap 

than most while at Indiana (kind of a love/hate relationship by the fans). He went through a lot leading this team 

to where it is this year and I think he's a great example of what hard work and dedication can do. Bill 

Mallory...ah, the days when IU could actually play football. That was a travesty when he was let go by the 

university. Not sure how successful your ski-trip will be, it's a balmy 61 here in Indianapolis today. Maybe you 

should bring the family down to Super Bowl Village instead :) 

@mr21cbs some of the great sports movies for individual sports: Cycling - Breaking Away and American Flyers; 

Wrestling - Vision Quest; Running - Chariots of Fire; Golf - The Greatest Game Ever Played. There are lots of 

others out there, but these are some of my favorite. 

23079 BrunelloBob 2012-01-31 13:22:23 @cbs: How about a running book? John Parker's "Once a Runner" comes to mind. 

Quick read, and I don't think there's anything inappropriate for an 11 year old in it (but you might want to give it 

a run through) 

http://www.amazon.com/Once-Runner-John-L-Parker/dp/0915297019 

You've probably already thought about "Breaking Away" (the movie) 

@WIM (aka PTHC): Stocking up on a bit of Pinot Noir are we? ;) 

23080 BuffaloLou 2012-01-31 13:24:45 2008 Chateau St. Jean Cabernet Sauvignon Cinq Cépages on TSO. $40; FS/2. Oh so tempting! 

23081 vinmoet 2012-01-31 13:40:47 jpakam: Am afraid that I must correct you. There is only ONE golf movie: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8lSyGavc4 

The distant runner up which must be mentioned: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnJQ9U9pW9Q 

Solid, inspirational films providing outstanding role models for young athletes. 

23082 jpakma 2012-01-31 13:47:16 No doubt that Caddyshack is #1 and Happy Gilmore #2. I duly stand corrected in my golf picks, but was trying to 

respect the 11yo age. 

23083 BrunelloBob 2012-01-31 13:48:52 Dudes: The blonde Chick in "Happy Gilmore"!! :) :) :) :) 

23084 vinmoet 2012-01-31 13:50:26 Bbob: Point noted. You are correct. 




23085 WaitinginManassas 2012-01-31 13:55:19 @Jpakma aka Joe- Welcome to the insanity! 

@BBob Yes, I'm a sucker for small production PN producers that come highly recommended. I'm setting up a 

savings account in order to be ready for next year's BDIV! 

23086 mr21cbs 2012-01-31 13:56:55 jpakma, dully noted. They are boys, after all, and the skimpy uniform is part of the business. I was told that they 

prefer brunettes, but blondes get their attention as well. They are 11 going on 16. :) 

23087 vinmoet 2012-01-31 14:02:14 Has anyone heard of a winecruzer? 

http://winecruzer.com/12pack-winecarrierwheel.html 

When we come back from overseas I have had pretty good luck bringing back numerous bottles stashed in our 

luggage. This last trip was my first and only fatality (1 broken out of 24, out of more than 200 if you averaged it 

over my trips). Would consider a dedicated case like this, but am afraid of the weight. 

23088 BuffaloLou 2012-01-31 14:45:42 @vinny - If you want to save yourself $150, that case is just a SKB carrying case. It's sold through many outlets, 

but one of the best prices around is at B&H Photo & Video in NYC. They sell it for $230 with cube foam 

(pluck). Yeah, you'll have to pluck out the foam in the shape of the bottle(s) yourself, but I like having the extra 

$150 to spend on wine! Here is the link: 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/766808- 

REG/SKB_3I_2317_14BC_Military_Standard_Waterproof_Case_14_.html 

Another viable option is the Pelican 1630. It, too, comes with Pick 'n Pluck foam. It's slightly larger ID and OD. 

It's $280. Here is a link to it: 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?is=REG&sku=475027&Q=&O=&A=det 

ails 

The reason I gave you the slightly higher priced Pelican in addition to the SKB is because I'm very familiar with 

Pelican products. I use it for my camera and telescope equipment. Very good products. Not that SKB isn't, just I 

haven't used them. 



23089 mr21cbs 2012-01-31 14:52:52 Vinmoet, interesting case. 


An empty 750ml bottle of wine weighs around 545 grams or 1.2 pounds. 

(http://www.ginopinto.com/Bottle%20Dimensions/Bottle%20Dimensions%202009.pdf). Adding the weight of 

wine: 

750ml of water weighs 750 grams = 26.5oz. (1 lb. 10.5oz) or 1.65 pounds, with some additional sugar, sediment, 

etc. 1.8 pounds? So an average weight of a wine bottle is 3lbs. I saw some sites listing as a 3.33lbs per bottle. 

The 12 bottle winecruzer is 20.7lbs, plus 12x3.33=39.66lbs, for the total of 60.66lbs. So now you can check with 

the airlines' weight limits to see if there is an extra charge for a case like that or not. 

23090 wine magnet 2012-01-31 15:23:25 The LastBottle offering on Sancerre and Rose' this afternoon was just too much to resist. 6 of each for $60/w/FS 

for 2 CT 90pt wines is the best buy I've seen for awhile. Where can you beat $5/btl delivered! Way to go, Cory! 

Hopefully all six cases will make it to me. 

23091 BuffaloLou 2012-01-31 15:51:01 @WM - don't you think they're getting a little long in the tooth? I dunno the aging ability of these wines. 

Thoughts? 

23092 vinmoet 2012-01-31 16:03:09 Thanks BLou. It looked kind of generic so I am not surprised by your find. 

CBS: You've made the most important observation and calculation. I do use about 37 pounds as my guess for a 

case of wine. It can vary by the thickness of the bottle although in Bordeaux they are very consistent. The 

problem is a 50lb limit on baggage. http://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInformation/baggage/baggageAllowance.jsp 

We use 21" carryons which we check in. Downside is that they are soft, the upside is that they are super light. 

We take one per person plus an extra one or two or else buy a cheapie one there. We then disperse clothes and 

bottles throughout the various carryons averaging 4 to 8 bottles per luggage.The most expensive bottles I bring 

back are less than, say 100 Euros. Most bottles are under 30 Euros. So money wise, I am OK with the risk. I 

don't care if my clothes get trashed if a bottle breaks, but I do hate the irritation and the loss of the vino. 

I love the idea of a hard case dedicated to wine, but I really want a 12 bottle size and its not worth going smaller. 

Weight wise, the winecruzer is not going to be a solution. 

23094 BrunelloBob 2012-01-31 16:27:21 Why not just use one of those 12 botttle styrofoam boxes The Demigod keeps sending me? 

23095 vinmoet 2012-01-31 16:31:20 BB they don't fit inside of a standard suitcase or carryon. Some of them are set up so that there are two sixers in 

a case, and those I think would be small enough. 




23096 wine magnet 2012-01-31 16:35:50 BLou: The Rose' might be pushing it agewise, but I have had Sancerres which I have enjoyed at 6 years of age. Of 

course provenance/conditions for the last 4 years are important to consider, but my experience with Last Bottle 

so far has been excellent so I cannot imagine that Cory and his associates would be pushing something that was 

really over-the-hill, just to make a few bucks. If the Sancerre turns out well and the Rose' does not, I will have 

paid $10/btl for something that is $19-$20/btl elsewhere in the US, except for winedeals.com, which is located in 

Buffalo. They have it for $17 by mail. Perhaps you can run out and buy one to see if you like it, assuming you like 

crisp whites. Oops, it is sold out! I will post notes here and CT after I try some. 

23097 jpakma 2012-01-31 16:39:21 Anyone have experience with Arnot-Roberts? I just had their pre-mailer to the Spring 2012 (March 6) release 

and they are offering their 2011 Rose' with free ground shipping on 6 or + bottles. 

23098 BuffaloLou 2012-01-31 17:31:16 @WM - Cool! Sounds like you may have a killer QPR! 

@jpakma - as my son says: "Anyone? Anyone?" :) 

23101 BaroloDude 2012-01-31 18:42:47 @ BLOU.... the article praises many 2010 Rieslings, just inconsistent from producer to producer, so buy wisely but 

don't stop buying! 

@ jpakma... there is still time to escape the asylum before Nurse Ratchett arrives with your meds. 

@ WiM... you will be thrilled by the 09 Siduri you bought. Great bottlings you chose. 

Big Ten...Big 12... YAWWWWWWWWN. Go Bears! Beat Stanfurd. 

23102 TonyO 2012-01-31 19:41:20 "The Greatest Game Ever Played" is a must see for any golf fans.....true story of The 1913 US Open 

23103 David T 2012-01-31 19:49:28 @vinmoet Here's a possible alternative to the WineCruzer that was offered as a special for BerserkerDay. It looks 

to be soft-shelled but lightweight/easy to hold a standard 12-bottle shipping pack 

http://shop.thewinecheck.com/ 

23104 louas 2012-01-31 20:53:51 1. Caddyshack w/o Doubt. I have played golf all over the place and anytime a Caddyshack line is used everybody 

else in the foursome "gets it". 

2. Any thoughts, inmates, on CH foray into French wines?? http://store.chwine.com/french-wines-c105.aspx 

23106 BrunelloBob 2012-01-31 21:06:50 DUDES: The blonde Chick in “Happy Gilmore”!!!! 

23107 BuffaloLou 2012-01-31 21:27:18 Anyone have any input on the super Tuscan on TSO? 




23110 BuffaloLou 2012-02-01 00:24:57 @Vinny - If you don't have an issue placing your wine into your luggage, I'd go with something like the "Wine 

Skins": 

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2009/4/28/7930/66615/travel/Would+You+Like+Some+Cheese+To+Go+With+Yo 

ur+WineSkin%3F 

I've seen another product very similar to it, but they work pretty much the same. 

23113 vinmoet 2012-02-01 09:24:29 Louas: I've never had a CH wine. Understand the concept but as I peruse the French ones, they are at a price 

point where I can probably find something that I know will be OK. Of the ones there, the '09 Burgundy would be 

one that I would like to try. If these guys are as good as their website indicates and if you've liked them in the 

past, then the prices are fair. 

DavidT: That is a legitimate alternative. Interesting. A bit bulky but should work perfectly. Thanks. 

BLou: I have friends who use those and in fact used them on the last trip back from France. They really work. 

They do tend to displace some extra room which adds up with multiple bottles. But I could see loading a carryon 

with bottles in their Wine Skins and weight wise it should work fine. That's probably the best scenario yet. 

B10 Fans: Attended the Illinois/MI St. game last night. 42 to 41. A defensive battle. I suspect very frustrating to 

watch on TV. There, it was frustrating live too but in a loud and great environment so it was fun. Refs made 

what appeared to be 3 bad calls in a row against Illinois and the crowd really let them have it. Great win for Illini. 

Bad offensive production was attributed to great defense on both sides. Can't forgive the Illini for pathetic free 

throw percentages, and at home no less. Its a high ABV season. 

Oh, and BBob, again, with reference to the blond young lady, you are correct sir. 

23115 castello 2012-02-01 15:29:40 Speaking of beer, I found a pretty good beer blog. 

http://craftbeertemple.com/videoblog/ 




23116 jpakma 2012-02-01 17:19:54 @Castello - Bell's and Founders are two great craft breweries. I know @David T might agree with me, but you 

have to add Three Floyds (Munster, IN) - love their beers too! If you are into hops, then go for a Bell's Hopslam 

and for summertime Oberon may be one of my all time faves. I'd be interested in hearing others favorite 

breweries - other omissions (Dogfish, Russian River Brewing, and Stone). 

@Vinmoet the B1G is crazy this year. I was pulling for the Illini last night and that game was brutal to watch. I 

figured the game was pretty much sealed up when Draymond Green went down for MSU (hope he is ok). Big 

game tonight between IU and UM. OSU seems like they are in position to pull away with the conference, but 

things could still get interesting. 

I went ahead and split a 6-pack of the Arnot-Roberts Rose' I posted yesterday. I don't know why I am buying so 

much, I need to start drinking. However, I am trying to lose weight and get back into shape. Kind of a Catch-22. 

I'm ready for Nurse Ratched and my pills!! 

23119 luddite 2012-02-01 20:58:00 @jpakma: Struggling with the same issues (get in shape, lose weight, and drink wine). The "good" news is that 

drinking wine forces you to get into shape if you don't want to gain weight. I drink about 2 glasses of wine daily. 

To break even calorie wise that means walking about 2 (more) miles a day. If you want to lose weight vs. just 

maintain weight you need to burn 3,500 more calories than you take in to lose a pound. I figure a calorie deficit 

of 350 every day gets you a pound every 10 days this means walking 3.5 (more) miles a day. So there you have it 

walk 5.5 (more) miles a day than you are doing now, drink 2 glasses of wine, and oh by the way don't eat any 

more than you were eating before you added the exercise :) 

23120 BrunelloBob 2012-02-01 21:00:33 I'm too fat and drunk to follow that mathematical logic... 

23121 BuffaloLou 2012-02-01 21:59:21 Speaking of beer, our pal Rick is working me through to my "BS" in beer studies. I'm studying hard! In that light... 

Stopped by the LBS today. Had my Growler filled with: Great Divide Belgian Style Yeti Imperial. Wow! This is a 

delicious IS! Briefly: 

N: malty, chocolate, hint of coffee 

P: More of the same, roasty malt, chocolate, coffee on the finish 

F: Hops come out, but they're not bitter, rather long and smooth 

Absolutely fantastic! 




23123 TonyO 2012-02-01 23:14:50 Looking forward to a fun weekend: dinner with Mrs. TonyO on Friday, dinner and Father/Daughter dance with 

my lovely 7 year old Olivia on Saturday, birthday and Super Bowl on Sunday (no Vikings but that will make it less 

stressful and won't end with my crying/vomitting/etc.., and Mrs. TonyO starts her new job on Monday !! THAT is 

a great weekend that will be sure to include a few glasses/bottles of juice ! Hope you all enjoy your weekend, 

wherever and whatever you do !! 

23124 TonyO 2012-02-01 23:31:05 may this be the theme for your weekend and beyond.............not a better song ever written 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXbsq3C4LZM 

23125 David T 2012-02-02 00:00:40 @jpakma I need to plan an Indy trip sometime later this year to visit some high school friends... it sounds like we 

may need to have a beer offline rather than wine! 3 Floyds/Bells/Stone are all in my top five breweries, along 

with Great Lakes & probably Unibroue. Dogfish is definitely within the top ten. 

23127 mr21cbs 2012-02-02 08:42:33 Gents, this beer conversation fascinates me quite a lot. I would like to have something more permanent where 

inmates post their recommendations for beers as I would love to explore some of these myself. If you don't 

mind, I will create a beer page and if you indulge us with your time to dump some of your knowledge and tasting 

notes there, that would be great. Also, the beer blogs are very cool, not that we need to divert our attention 

from wine, but I do enjoy a beer or spirit on occasion. Cheers! 

23129 mr21cbs 2012-02-02 08:54:35 On the subject of loosing weight and getting in shape, walking is fine, but I prefer biking and swimming. Not only 

both of these activities make you burn calories faster, they are easier to accomplish in bad weather (swimming) 

or good weather (biking). 

Yesterday we had a crazy weather for February (sunny and 60F) so I took advantage of working from home and 

went for a short bike ride. I have not ridden outside since my broken hand surgery and wanted to see how I felt. 

It was very windy, and riding against the wind was hard, so I only managed 15 miles in the hour that I had. With a 

quick 5 min stop to eat a granola bar. I didn't burn much yesterday, but I felt great, and no guilt during dinner and 

those couple of slices of cheese and wine. 

Here is an interesting site with tables for those who can still concentrate on numbers and not too drunk: 

http://www.nutristrategy.com/caloriesburnedcycling.htm 

23130 vinmoet 2012-02-02 09:09:57 CBS: is there a pilates style biking where you pay someone to move your legs up and down on the pedals? 

23132 mr21cbs 2012-02-02 10:21:52 Vinmoet, I will gladly take your money, but can't promise that you will lose weight, get in shape, or complete a 

stage of Tour de France. You will, however, earn bragging rights among your fellow wine drinkers that you were 

cycling! That should be worth something. Right? 




23133 luddite 2012-02-02 10:59:24 @mr21cbs: Thanks for posting the link to that chart. I walk between 4-4.5 MPH and have always figured about 

100 calories per mile. This matches up pretty well. Although I prefer being outside (especially here at the 

beach), I also use a treadmill since you can walk/jog up a constant incline burning more calories... 

23134 wine magnet 2012-02-02 11:01:23 TonyO: Sounds like a GREAT weekend. If you were closer than VT, I would contribute to the toasting for the 

future for all of you. Should you like to give me your contact info/location, I have a friend/business associate 

from Burlington visiting here next Thurs/Fri, and if he is checking luggage, perhaps I can get him to lug something 

back with him. 

Michael: I remember something like your "calories consumed biking" chart from my triathlon days, but somehow 

I couldn't lose weight by biking >20 miles/day (usually at >22mph), swimming at least 4000 yards 

(intervals/sprints after a 500yd warmup) a minimum of 5 days/wk, and lifting weights/running 2 days/week. The 

only way I could lose weight was to combine the above with significant boring dieting. Since those long gone 

days, I have become sedentary, drink lots of wine, eat lots of good cheese (there is no place in life for crap 

cheese). I was considering weight loss surgery, but our "exit strategy" from our business, a General Manager we 

hired 7 years ago with the plan to sell him our business, is now leaving for a different opportunity. I am now 

drinking more wine but not in a celebratory fashion! 

23135 wine magnet 2012-02-02 11:52:00 TonyO: It would have helped for me to provide my email should you be so inclined: spcentsp at knology dot net 

23136 Brunellobob 2012-02-02 12:34:16 Is it my imagination, or is there a Lot of 92-point, sub-$30 barolo kicking around? 

How low can prices go on Good Italian wine? I'm running out of room... 

23137 mr21cbs 2012-02-02 12:34:22 wine magnet, that is some serious workout. I tend to go for longer bike rides to take advantage of getting out 

and onto the open road (with the kids' activities and work) but our area is pretty hilly, so 22mph average is a very 

difficult number to get. Mine is usually in the 17-18mph average, and I am a pretty good climber. Swimming is a 

problem as I am not built like a swimmer, but am trying to swim more since my boys like to compete in triathlon, 

and challenging me to do the same. Did you say 500+4000yd, 5 times a week? You can anything and as much as 

you would like with a regiment like that. Running was my specialty in my school/college days (1500, 3000, 

5000m), and I can and like to run, but these days prefer cycling. 

I do like cheese, and please share what you call "good cheese", dieting is something I don't do at all, but we do 

eat pretty balanced and healthy. 




23140 BaroloDude 2012-02-02 13:44:27 @ BBob... its not your imagination, its pretty strange innit? i think its a combo of the economy (esp in europe, 

so ship more to the US!), a few good (and not low yield) vintages in a row... just my guess. Not complaining. 

BUt also not buying many of these. WIth Barolo, i tend to really only want to buy producers i like or something i 

have already tasted. Styles can vary so much... 

HERE IS SOME LUDDITE MATH FOR ALL A YALL>... 

So ludds says you need to walk 3.5 miles more a day to work off those two glasses of wine. Ludds also says he 

only drinks two glasses of wine a day. BUT THE SIZE OF THAT GLASS IN ENORMOUS! Also compounding things, 

is that Luddite BUYS at the approximate rate of 5-10 glasses of wine a day (1-2 bottles). So in order for Luddite 

to actually work down his inventory, he needs to walk a marathon every day. No wonder you are so slim Ludds! 

23141 WaitinginManassas 2012-02-02 13:47:13 Is anyone tempted by the Last Bottle juice box offer currently up? I would like to try, but only want a few if 

anyone else goes in and wants me to take some off their hands... not that I need any more wine for sure! 

23142 luddite 2012-02-02 14:06:06 @BD: All true (except the glass size) and I have registered for the "MB marathon." Well sort of - it's one of the 

preliminary events a 5K :D 

23144 wine magnet 2012-02-02 14:59:45 Michael: Yes, when I was between 31-50 I was into Masters Swimming and started doing triathlons in '83, when 

my training regimen added biking/running. We have pretty flat land on the West coast of FL, so my hill climbing 

was mostly whenever I would climb a bridge onto and off of an island County Park (Ft. DeSoto Park, SW of St. 

Petersburg), but there is a good deal of wind there much of the time, and very little to shelter a biker from winds. 

I would always try to reach my peak speed of the day at the top of the bridge on the way back from a 20 

mile(weekdays) ride on the island, knowing that I only had a mile to go and then a mile warm down. Even at 51, I 

don't think I lost that sprint to anyone over several years of riding there. As to my swimming workouts, I started 

with distance freestyle (500 & 1650yd/1500M), but became reasonably competitive at breaststroke, but 

most of my conditioning workouts were freestyle because I couldn't do intervals with other workout friends at 

the same pace. We usually would do a 500 warmup, and mix up the order/length of intervals, sprints, & 

pulls and/or kicks. to total 4000 yds. When I was really into training, 2 days/week I would swim early (5 AM), and 

sometimes after 9PM in addition to my every workday at Noon. Those days would total 7-9000 yds. I learned 

after a few weeks that my body just couldn't recover enough with those workouts, so I went back to mostly 

Noon only training with "cameo" appearances at the other workouts. 




23145 mr21cbs 2012-02-02 15:36:25 wine magnet - very impressive! Swimming that much takes gradual build up, I just don't have the time. My kids 

now swim between 4-6K per day. Less but with many more sprints before competitions, and longer for the 

longer distance meets (400IM, 500, 1000 and 1650Free). Me - not so much. 

I live in Pennsylvania, suburbs of Philly, so there is nothing flat here. It is not Colorado or Vermont, but some hills 

are killers that rise for miles. What goes up must come down, but you rarely pickup the average speed on the 

way down due to turns. I rode a few charity rides along the NJ shore, with one leg being 85 miles mostly with 

head wind and overpass bridges over canals. The longest and toughest 7 hours on the bike I have every 

experienced. Tests your mental toughness much more then physical. At 41 I will not challenge you on a short 

distance of 20 miles, anything longer, I will hold my own. I am still dreaming of riding one of the mountain stages 

of the Tour. Perhaps when my youngster is a bit older and my older sons keep me company. 

~ 

Cheeses. We do have Costco so I should take a look at what they have. Most of my friends shop at Wegmans, or 

Italian market downtown, but it is a hike for me, so Internet is my friend. I do love Valdeon and have a wedge in 

the fridge right now. I buy it from GourmetLibrary, the site is down, but my old receipts work well when I call 

them to reorder. Delice is great, tried it at NaH Pig Roast party and have been buying ever since. My current 

stash includes (from GourmetLibrary): 

Zamorano Raw Milk$13.99/lb (very good) 

Piave Vecchio 1 Year$12.99/lb (love this one) 

Mahon 4 Month$11.99/lb (one of my favorite) 

Tuxford and Tebbutt Stilton$13.99/lb 

Beemster Classic Gouda$12.99/lb (outstanding) 

Beemster Vlaskaas Gouda$11.99/lb 

Xavier David Comte$24.99/lb 

Morbier Raw Milk $12.99/lb (interesting but I probably won't reorder) 

23146 john o' 2012-02-02 15:42:26 @mr21cbs. 

how do you store the cheese and how long does it last? 

thx 

23147 mr21cbs 2012-02-02 15:54:11 John O', I store it in the cheese paper that GourmetLibrary ships it in a regular refrigerator. Usually 1-2 months 

for hard cheeses and up to a month for the softer ones. But we go through it faster. GourmetLibrary has a $100 

purchase for free shipping, which frequently lasts us a couple of months. 




23148 wine magnet 2012-02-02 16:11:42 MR21cbs: The Delice De Bourgogne is $9.99/lb at Costco, and very difficult for me to walk by without buying. It is 

good mixed into scrambled eggs, mac & cheese, you name it! I eat the rind and all, but usually just serve 

the creamy part to guests. 

TonyO: I learned a trick from Alton Brown on Food Network about storing cheese, which has served me well for a 

couple of years. First (my suggestion, not AB's), I wash w/dish detergent and water the outside of sealed cheese 

wrappers from stores where it is not being cut/wrapped just for me, just because I don't know how many hands 

have handled the package in the case at Costco or wherever. Then, after cutting some cheese, I wrap the 

exposed portion with WAX paper, usually a double thickness and secure it with a rubber band and keep it in the 

refrigerator. Depending upon the cheese, the paper may begin to get damp after a few/several days, so the 

paper is replaced. Cheese keeps much longer when it is allowed to "breathe" through a permeable covering as 

opposed to when it is wrapped with plastic wrap/aluminum foil. It smells better/fresher and does not form mold 

as easily. The Delice above really needs to be tightly wrapped w/wax paper and consumed within a week or so 

after opening as it does start to lose its' bright off white color. 

23149 BuffaloLou 2012-02-02 18:15:23 @John O’ & cbs - re: cheese storage - remember that vacuum sealer discussion? Your cheese will last much 

longer if you store in vacuum sealed bag. I usually cut a chunk (that will last about a month's consumption) off 

my purchase and vacuum seal the rest. To refresh your memory, the ricotta salata I purchased and vacuum 

sealed lasted a year and was perfect when opened! 

23150 BaroloDude 2012-02-02 20:20:37 vinnymoet... your thoughts on the LBW Lafite table wine juice box offer? still up and available... 

is this all green peppers and dirt, or could it be something nicer... ;-) 

23152 vinmoet 2012-02-02 21:51:42 Bdude: I did think about it for myself but decided to pass. My best guess is that most people would not be that 

excited by the taste profile. I get that this works out to be $18 a bottle, delivered, for a ready to drink decade old 

Bordeaux. It is tempting. 

The wine essentially the "third wine" being a blend from various vineyards/Chateaux. That generally means 

younger vines and/or fruit that didn't make it to the big boys or even the kids of the big boys. Its from 2001 

which is an OK year but not one with tons of fruit. Plus, 1/2 bottles don't age nearly as well. 

If you really trust these guys when they said that they tasted it and liked it, then its a deal. I'd drink it within the 

next couple of years. I remember having tasted this label somewhere...I'm remembering their 2000. It was 

decent, inexpensive wine. I would not let the name on the label mislead you into thinking that the wine is even a 

pale shadow of its grand daddy. 

23155 BaroloDude 2012-02-03 01:44:03 vinnymoet.... danke. Murky buckets. many garcias. 



23159 NaH 2012-02-03 05:17:03 @WineMagnet and MR21CBS 


You're killing me with this cheese conversation! YES, the Delice is (was) my favorite as well as various other 

cheeses. BUT... 

since my cholesterol last month was OVER 200 and the old waistline is expanding, I've cut down on the cheeses 

and am watching my diet while exercising. 

but I do miss my cheeses.... 

23160 luddite 2012-02-03 07:17:42 @Ki4K: Hope your birthday (yesterday) was great! What bottle of '76 wine did you drink to celebrate this time :D 

@NaH: My cholesterol was 199 (just made it!) but my good HDL was 86 thanks to all the red wine and exercise 

while my bad LDL was 80 so it's not always your total but rather the ratio of good to bad (yes I know you already 

knew this)... 

23162 vinmoet 2012-02-03 10:13:27 I remember a trip to France with Mrs. V about 8 years ago. It was a binge fest. Croissant for breakfast, patisserie 

for mid morning snack, multi course lunch including cheese course, mid afternoon patisserie, and multi course 

dinner including cheese course. We did this for 18 days. She had scheduled a physical the week we got back. 

Her cholesterol was like 240+. They wanted to put her on drugs on the spot. They did not want to test her for 

another couple of months. 

I stood firm on no drugs and forced them to test her a month later. It plummeted to about half. The lesson we 

learned? Need to drink more red wine on those binge trips. 

23163 NaH 2012-02-03 11:11:24 Re: cholesterol 

My total was 257 but my LDL was too high and my HDL was too low. 

Red wine, or wine in general raises Triglycerides so be careful with that. It does lower LDL but not to a beneficial 

extent. If it helps, you can say it does. Lol 

23164 K is for Kate 2012-02-03 11:13:34 @luddite - Thanks for the birthday well-wishing and WOW you have an incredible memory remembering the 

year!! No wine at all for me yesterday since I I'm down with a cold that wouldn't let me enjoy it. I am thinking I 

have to start hoarding some nice bottles that will be hitting their peak in 2016 (and 2026), though. 

23166 NaH 2012-02-03 12:08:52 Last Bottle offer 2005 Gruaud Larose for under $50 

DAMN THEM. ANYONE want to share for the free ship. I'll take 2 




23167 BuffaloLou 2012-02-03 12:09:02 @KifK - Happy (belated) birthday! I hope you had a great day! 

23168 vinmoet 2012-02-03 12:45:37 NaH: The are out of it now. They replaced it with a Monbazillac. I am not familiar with the bottle that they are 

featuring although I am very familiar with Monbazillac in general since it is 25KM from where we always stay. It 

is an area basically adjacent to and east of Bordeaux which uses essentially the same grape varieties as Bordeaux. 

Monbazillac allows the addition of sugar which they don't allow in Sauternes. Otherwise, they produce wines are 

very, very similar. My favorite red wines from the area are from Pecharmant which is possible, but difficult, to 

find in the U.S. Both areas have had very little name exposure and, as a result, suffer from low prices and 

present some incredible values. I always bring back some of both when I go to France. 

As for this deal, I can't recommend it only because I am not familiar with it. 

23169 mr21cbs 2012-02-03 12:48:55 Any thoughts on the currently CW featured Barbaresco? I have never had one and sure am intrigued by the deal, 

but is this the one to start my experience with? 

23170 NaH 2012-02-03 13:12:10 @Vinny 

Thanks. I was in communication with MR21 trying to get the Gruaud when they sold out. 

But you have to admit, 05 Gruaud under $50 is good. I like the producer. 

23171 luddite 2012-02-03 14:51:35 @NaH: My understanding is excess sugar raises Triglycerides (stored mainly as fat around the middle), so don't 

drink fortified wines. My Triglycerides are under 100 so no worries there either... 

@Ki4K: Last year a blizzard for your Bday and this year sick :( Feel better soon! 

Today's ship for 4 free deal was on WTSO yesterday for $16.95 FS on 4... 




23172 vinmoet 2012-02-03 14:59:12 NaH: It was a great price but I'm not all that enthralled with the Chateau. The two standouts for them were 

2000 and 2009 with a lot of inconsistency in between. In my world they have been a consistent under achiever. 

2003 and 2005 were overshadowed by the competition. 

For 2005 Parker gave it an "89?" He said: 

"Tasted on three separate occasions, this cuvee exhibits a dark ruby color (with much less saturation than many 

wines of the vintage) as well as a distinctive, herbal, meaty, horsey nose, medium to full body, good depth, 

power, and richness, and soft tannins. The wine’s rustic aromas and earthy style are intriguing and provocative. 

While an excellent effort, the 2005 Gruaud Larose is not one of the stars of the vintage. Anticipated maturity: 

2011-2022." 

Its been a few years since I tasted it, but I found it medium bodied, herbal and kind of greenish. It was a 

passable, correct wine, but not a seductive one. And, I'm not sure that age would have helped it but I am open 

to being wrong. 

Sometimes the wines are closed down and show kind of lean and greenish where age may bring them out. I just 

don't get the feeling that it will happen with this wine. 

I guess that I am not crying about missing out on the deal. 

23173 luddite 2012-02-03 16:38:04 @BD: Here I go again! In on today's '03 Belguardo Mazzei "Belguardo” Garagiste offer! 

23175 Hinrgman 2012-02-03 17:56:24 That Itailan wine is hard to resist. 

23176 BaroloDude 2012-02-03 19:36:36 i had to pass on the mazzei its good wine for sure. i just need to save my bullets for very very selective sweet 

spot things...i am so far beyond capacity... and i have enough supertuscan for now. Frankly, the Le Sughere is 

awfully good for a fraction of the price of that Garagiste offer, but the Mazzei is great stuff. Cheers all have a 

good weekend. 

23177 BuffaloLou 2012-02-03 20:09:39 Rosenblum called me tonight to offer me killer deals on some of their wines. Damn them! After BerserkerDay 

and then a trip to the LWS on Wednesday (I bought 5 cases of the '05 Wayne Gretzky Cab Sauv @ $9.99/750) I 

can't buy more now. Argh! 

23179 TonyO 2012-02-03 22:50:13 @BaroloDude: when you were next to that statue of Phil in Dublin, this is what should have been the 

soundtrack......Good Lord above, Thin Lizzy is something we all should embrace.................... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqRJtUorPMg 




23180 TonyO 2012-02-03 23:53:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDPnyzRTP2k&feature=related 

Un*(&(* )(*) believable................three of them have passed and the world is worse...........this is dedicate 

dto Barolodude and all that really appreciate rock and roll.... 

23182 castello 2012-02-04 04:14:59 Damn you Bdude! I just ordered some Oreno because you had to mention Super Duper Tuscan sombeothch! You 

know that is my sweet spot for..Eyetalian....merlowwwwww or tever it is. 

23183 luddite 2012-02-04 08:25:32 5K heart walk/run this morning then dinner tonight at our favorite MB French restaurant to celebrate (hopefully 

that we were able to finish the 5K) with Trigger Fish over Lobster Risotto and a BYOB '09 Domaine Drouhin 

Arthur Chardonnay 

23184 vinmoet 2012-02-04 09:23:31 I have been experimenting with cleaning decanters. As of today, I have had pretty good success using CLR 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqvDD_L7Y_M 

I don't think that the product is exactly intended for this particular purpose but, hey, its pretty darn good. The 

instructions want you to leave it on for a few minutes. They also suggest diluting it depending on the application. 

But this is America, darn it. More is better. If diluted is good, undiluted is better. If a few minutes work, hours 

work better. 

So, my forumla for success is to dump it in, leave it, full strength, overnight. Voila. I'm not exactly certain how 

food friendly this stuff is so I rinse and wash the heck out of it afterwards. 

23185 vinmoet 2012-02-04 09:32:22 We use our decanters quite a bit. They also get left with dregs in them overnight. Over time, they attain a 

certain patina that encourages us to keep them out of the light. For years I've been experimenting with various 

methods of cleaning the decanters with limited success. I have finally stumbled upon a technique that is by far 

the best. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqvDD_L7Y_M 

CLR is basically a consumer friendly acid that removes calcium and mineral deposits. You either use a little for a 

few minutes, or dilute and use a lot for a bit longer. However, this is America. More is better. If a few minutes 

are good, hours are better. If diluted works, undiluted works better. So, I dump it in, undiluted, and leave it 

overnight. 

Now, I don't know exactly how food friendly this stuff is. So, I wash and rinse the heck out of the decanter after 

the process. At the end of the day, these guys are pretty darn clean. 

23186 RDHudak 2012-02-04 09:37:53 Long time, no see. Any thoughts on the Cinderella deal this weekend? 




23187 RDHudak 2012-02-04 09:48:54 Hmmm I don't see where my prior post is, but any thoughts on the Cinderella offer? 

23189 BuffaloLou 2012-02-04 12:09:12 @TO - Nice. Very nice! 

23190 BuffaloLou 2012-02-04 12:15:32 Hmmm... I posted and it disappeared into cyberspace! 

Anyway, nice post, TO! 

23191 BuffaloLou 2012-02-04 13:25:57 Test (please ignore) 

23192 Hinrgman 2012-02-04 13:28:00 Anyone get in on the '96 Burgess on TSO? 

23193 TonyO 2012-02-04 13:48:24 there seems to be a direct correlation between the degree to which I have been overserved and my command of 

the English language....... 

23194 David T 2012-02-04 16:00:27 TURN BACK THE CLOCK on Cindy until noon Monday. So much for not buying anything in February *sigh*. Picked 

up some of the *other* 2010 Urbans-Hof riesling vineyard & a couple other inexpensive whites that should 

be good for the summer. 

23196 luddite 2012-02-04 16:07:47 WL TBTC2012 sale: https://winelibrary.com/specials/14943-recindy2012 

Looking for recommendations... 

23197 McMalbec 2012-02-04 16:08:34 @Ludd- Congrats on your Buckeyes today. 

23198 mcmalbec 2012-02-04 18:25:35 @Ludd- c0ngats on your Buckeyes! 

23199 vinmoet 2012-02-04 19:34:34 Bbob: When in Spain and in the south of France in the fall, we eat fresh olives in the restaurant. Are you aware 

of fresh, edible olives in the fall in Cali? If so, any ideas on how I can buy them for shipment out to the midwest? 

23204 luddite 2012-02-05 07:49:02 Happy Birthday to our "super" inmate in Vermont! Nice of the NFL to put a game on just for you! 

23205 David T 2012-02-05 08:36:21 Wow, no posts at all yesterday?!?! 

Happy Super Bowl Sunday!! What's on tap for consumption during the game? 

In case anyone hasn't seen yet, CinderellaWine is doing a Turn Back The Clock sale until noon Monday. 

23206 mr21cbs 2012-02-05 08:59:36 Happy Birthday, TonyO! 

23207 mr21cbs 2012-02-05 09:10:37 Our spam plugin subscription expired, and started to treat everything as spam. I have renewed the subscription 

so we should be good for another 12 months. Happy posting and let me know if anything else craps up. 

23208 vinmoet 2012-02-05 09:33:56 Hmmmmm, 

when my decanting comment didn't publish, I tried again. I don't own stock in CLR, really. 

Thanks for getting things fixed CBS. 




23210 BuffaloLou 2012-02-05 10:53:29 Zoinks! The Hills experiences technical difficulties and appearances are made by Rick and castello! Nice to see 

you both in the Hills! Hope you stick around! 

@TO - Happy B-day!! Hope you have a great day! 

@cbs - TY sir! 

23211 luddite 2012-02-05 11:02:19 @McMalbec: Thanks! Guess the Buckeyes were due after losing 9 in a row at Wisconsin... 

@mr21cbs: Thanks for the fix! 

23212 mr21cbs 2012-02-05 11:10:18 Sorry about the mishap with the posts. Was away at a swim meet with the kids and didn't check my emails. I will 

start reading my TH email on my phone so if anything else goes wrong just email me tremblinghillswinetasters at 

gmail dot com or call my google voice number (267) 982-2182 

23214 BuffaloLou 2012-02-05 11:17:25 @cbs - no need to apologize! How did the boys do? 

23215 mr21cbs 2012-02-05 11:28:10 One is nursing an overworked triceps (too many push ups that caused an inflammation, so he did not swim). The 

other one won 3 first places out of 4 events that he swam in. 200 medley relay (breast), 200 free relay and 

100IM. Terrific stuff. Next week is the League Champs, which will be much tougher and competitive, and both 

will compete. 

23216 NY Pete 2012-02-05 11:37:37 Michael ... whatever happened to no apologies? :) 

23217 BuffaloLou 2012-02-05 12:34:26 @cbs - Congrats to your son for a great showing! Hope the other feels better! 

23218 luddite 2012-02-05 14:24:23 Our nonsense posts vs. supporting your boys swim meet? Not even close! 

Well if an apology on @TonyO's birthday doesn't get him to put in an appearance here then I don't know what 

will :lol: 

23219 BrunelloBob 2012-02-05 15:03:10 T.O.: I'm Sorry it's your birthday. :lol: 

Vinny: I got nothin' on olives. I really don't like 'em, though it's kind of fun when they show up in the flavor profile 

of a wine. Wish I could help. Maybe BDude or Castello? They live west coast, I just make occasional visits... 




23220 brooks 2012-02-05 15:17:24 TO - Happy Birthday young man! Enjoy your day! I hope all your teams win today!!! 

^ 

Inmates...Enjoy the big game tonight....remember it is just entertainment unless you or member of family 

generates an income from the event. Gambling winnings are considered income by the IRS. Be well...hold fast to 

that which is good...including the football...or in my case... the cheese wheel I am carrying to a friend's house. 

"Baxter, No I am not mad you ate the entire cheese wheel and pooped in frig; I am impressed" 

^ 

Pats 30 Giants 28...take the 3 points...Say good night Irene. 

23221 Hinrgman 2012-02-05 16:15:08 BrunelloBob - how about the 12 vintage Brunello on Garagiste? 

23223 TonyO 2012-02-05 16:37:59 No Apology is a book by Mitt Romney (I would apologize for the political reference but you already know how I 

feel about that and it is my birthday so....)...thanks for the kind words....time to get me game on ....35 years since 

the last time the Vikings were in the Super Bowl.....made for a rough Monday for a rather young TonyO.....enjoy 

the game......GO PATS ! 

23224 BrunelloBob 2012-02-05 16:53:23 T.O. for once finds himself on the right side of the field... :) 

HMan: "12 vintage Brunello on Garagiste"? 

Good trick re: the vintage... The garagiste site just confuses me, I can't find a brunello, Can you provide a link? 

23225 Hinrgman 2012-02-05 17:05:11 B² - short detail if you are interested in more give me your email and I will forward full details. 

Canalicchio di Sopra 12 Vintage Vertical - $798.62 

1 x 1994 

1 x 1995 

1 x 1996 

1 x 1998 

1 x 1999 

1 x 2000 

1 x 2001 

1 x 2003 

1 x 2004 

1 x 2005 

1 x 2006 

1 x 2007 




23227 David T 2012-02-05 20:31:03 So far the wines and commercials have been better than the game... 

Go Giants... 

@TonyO Happy birthday!! 

23228 mr21cbs 2012-02-05 22:03:34 Congratulations to the fans of the NY Giants! Nice game! 

23229 mr21cbs 2012-02-05 22:08:06 DavidT, I thought overall the commercials sucked. Half time was very nice IMHO. 

23230 David T 2012-02-06 00:21:21 @mr21cbs I was simply going by the fact that I laughed more than I have the past couple of years. I agree, they 

are nothing to what they were a decade ago. 

Funniest part of evening- I was literally in tears laughing at Bradshaw's touchdown act 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3VoyTFC1cw 

23234 luddite 2012-02-06 07:23:54 A very happy birthday to our head warden (retired) who made this asylum all possible! May nurse Ratched grant 

you unlimited meds this day and may your beautiful @boop nurse you back to health tomorrow :D 

23236 BuffaloLou 2012-02-06 09:23:27 @cbs & all - I, too, thought the commercials were rather blah. I specifically watch the game for the 

commercials and was rather disappointed. (Admittedly I did not see all of them as I was switching channels... ) I 

did, however, enjoy the "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" reference. Cute! 

23237 jpakma 2012-02-06 11:44:32 Recovering from Super Bowl Mania in my hometown and all of its volunteers and workers that supported the 

NFL's biggest stage. I was lucky enough to have a supplier offer tickets to my wife and I and thought I'd share 

some pics with you from our seats and the experience at NFL Tailgate 2012. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27227729@N06/sets/72157629200650411/ 

Congrats to the Buckeyes this weekend and to the mr21cbs swimmer (hope your son recovers). So was any great 

wine opened this weekend? Unfortunately, there wasn't a great wine/beer selection for the Super Bowl events 

so I was limited to margaritas and some good ol' Budweiser or Miller Lite.... I am ready for some wine this week. 




23238 luddite 2012-02-06 14:00:58 PSA: In case any of the inmates are considering the current LBW offer: 

Connoisserus' Guide to California Wines 

(Score) "78 CUMBRE OF VINE HILL Miller Vineyard Chardonnay Santa Cruz Mountains 2008 

$34.00 

Between its chemical challenges that smack of plastics and rubber and its sour, green apple fruit, this wine is 

bothersome from front to back. Hickory chip flavors and toothpicky, chalky textural elements add to its too 

obvious woes and send it to the back of the pack. 

Reviewed: December 2010" 

23240 BaroloDude 2012-02-06 16:44:06 that garagiste offer was just cruel. 800 bones for 12 great wines... not saying the value per bottle was off, just 

that i couldn't justify that big a purchase all at once. WOuld have been nice to cherry pick a few out of that set. 

I like Canalicchio Di Sopra... 

re superbowl, here is my problem... HAVE WE ALL JUST ACCEPTED LIP SYNCHING ? THey could have just 

showed a film or video of Madonna then... so what she danced in front of a lot of people live... whoopeee. 

PERFORM! SING. 

Lame game, lame half time. The puppy bowl was better. 

23241 Hinrgman 2012-02-06 17:31:44 The puppy bowl. Was that the Giants against the 49R's???? 

23242 A Frayed Knot 2012-02-06 18:49:58 Thanks Ludes.......you must be part elephant...you never seem to forget these special days. 

I've been informed that today is your unbirthday...........and also since I'm not allowed to apologize for missing 

TonyO's birthday......I'd like to wish the both of you a very happy unbirthday! ........(I may feel like the mouse in 

the teapot before this day is over)........ Now back to weeding the garlic beds.......... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FC6E5Gh4E 

23244 BuffaloLou 2012-02-06 19:19:33 Happy B-day AFK! Don't be such a stranger! 

23245 BuffaloLou 2012-02-06 21:43:50 My SIWBM survived the TBTC on CW this past weekend. I enacted a new method: I didn't look! Of course, now 

reading what others bought, I have regret, but my credit card doesn't... 

23246 mr21cbs 2012-02-06 22:10:20 AFK, happy birthday! I second the motion that we need to see you more often! 

23249 BuffaloLou 2012-02-07 09:38:16 No posts in nearly 12 hours?!! Someone please break the sanity! 

23251 mr21cbs 2012-02-07 11:28:29 Lou, it must be after the Super Bowl hangover. Plus everyone seems to be overbought on wine and avoiding the 

enablers. 




23252 luddite 2012-02-07 11:44:16 @BLou: Our new motto: "Don't look, don't tell" 

23253 McMalbec 2012-02-07 13:22:53 @mr.21cbs: do you archive past Inmate QPRs? 

23255 BrunelloBob 2012-02-07 13:49:20 MC: Look under the "pages" tab (upper right on this page), then QPR list. 

I'll second the Andezon as a great QPR, BTW. 

And not just because joeg would say it isn't ;) 

23256 mr21cbs 2012-02-07 14:02:38 MC, as stated by BrunelloBob, here is the list of the former QPRs: http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/qprlist 

23257 wine magnet 2012-02-07 14:10:07 Update on Last Bottle combo pack from last week: My six combo cases of '07 Rose and Sancerre arrived today 

and I briefly chilled them for sampling. I thought the Rose might have a chance of being over-the-hill, but it is 

quite refreshing (and my wife really likes it!). At $5/btl delivered from CA to FL in nice foam shippers it is an 

even better deal, especially since my LWS has it for $30/btl: http://www.b-21.com/2007-Chateau-Paradis-Terresdes-Anges/productinfo/FRPATA07AE/ 

This might not make it to my son's wedding. 

The Sancerre is even more to my palate: crisp, mineral, fruity. I am ready to get some fresh scallops to sear with 

this wine tonight. A perfect Sauv Blanc easily worth 3-5 times the $5/btl price. 

Alas, I should have bought more, since I am sharing this order with others, which leaves but 3 combo cases for 

me.. Should Cory read this and still have access to more, he can contact me as I would take more of this combo. 

Thanks, Cory, for a real steal! 

23259 BrunelloBob 2012-02-07 14:47:00 Mags: Thanks for reporting back. 

I balked on that offer because of age, but will look at similar LBW offers differently in light of your experience. 

It's that kind of info sharing that I love about this place. 

That, and Brooks' whack-a-doodle sense of humor... 

23260 mr21cbs 2012-02-07 14:53:36 BrunelloBob so my fixing of constant bugs and keeping you away from your family doesn't attract you? Alright, I 

get it. 

23261 vinmoet 2012-02-07 15:01:32 Guys...since we can't apologize here I won't. I was recalling the '09 Andezon as being previously listed as a QPR. I 

only recently tried the '10. Did not catch my vintage error. But, its fun to go down memory lane, isn't it? Hey at 

least we got some posts up around here. 

CBS: You'd think I of all people would have been on top of that one. I'll try to be better in the future. Blame it 

on lack of meds. You are doing a banner job, so thank you. 

23262 BrunelloBob 2012-02-07 15:14:33 Sorry CBS: I only like you, I don't love you... :oops: 




23263 vinmoet 2012-02-07 15:35:18 With regards to the '10 Andezon I took a peak at the cellertracker notes. Several folks were complaining about 

brett and it had an average score of 87. 

I've had, I think, 3 bottles. I have not had any issues like that and found it to be very serviceable, good CDR. I 

tend to be alcohol sensitive but did not have any issues with that either. 

Has anyone else noticed some of the issues raised on CT? 

23264 BrunelloBob 2012-02-07 15:56:58 I've been through a half dozen bottles of this stuff. I've got a note on one of them that references "celery" in the 

background. Strange note. I can see others interpreting that as brett, especially if they had more of a clue... 

23265 Brooks 2012-02-07 18:04:29 HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ALL WHO I MISSED...snap ...caps lock is the bain of my existence and broken red guitar pics 

^ 

AFK...Alice in Wonderland......sushrooms anyone? 

^ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_7C0QGkiVo 

sorry wrong Alice 

^ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0 

^ 

Code Red I just opened a lot 179 juice box that was corked..Defcon 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

23266 A Frayed Knot 2012-02-07 18:35:05 Chanterelles are the best http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanterelle ...just go ask Alice......try to avoid those 

offered by smoking caterpillars and grinning cats!...........and.....if you know where to look, you can even find 

them in Texas...........now where is my Chanterelle soup recipe? 

23268 kommander kaos 2012-02-07 20:13:27 The kommander suggests brooks slowly backs away from the juice box. Airstrike on its way.New box of red picks 

coming via ny petes usps. hang in there korporal. 

kaos out 

23269 John O' 2012-02-07 20:48:14 Poll 

What is the most you've ever paid for a wine (along with it's SRP)? 

23270 BuffaloLou 2012-02-07 21:01:30 "That, and Brooks’ whack-a-doodle sense of humor… " - BB 

P.O.T.Y.? (Post of the Year?) 

23272 TonyO 2012-02-07 21:56:59 @jpakma: great pics.....thanks 

@AFK: a late and Happy BD 

Hope all is well with all,.................. 




23283 NY Pete 2012-02-08 12:33:37 really Kaos, via the old usps? 

23284 BuffaloLou 2012-02-08 13:25:50 @all - if you haven't been following it, there's an amazing thread on Wine Berserkers about suspect fraudulent 

DRC (and possibly others) wines going to auction tonight in London. Don Cornwall did an amazing job exposing 

the wines, and the issue has become viral on the 'net. If interested, here's the link: 

http://wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61172 

23287 TonyO 2012-02-08 15:59:02 for those inclined to enjoy a glass of Pinot Noir, the Roessler is a good deal on WTSO..... 

23288 Hinrgman 2012-02-08 16:36:42 '09 was a rough vintage in Oregon. Have you tried this wine? 

I've only had 2 or 3 decent pinots from the '09 vintage. 

23290 BaroloDude 2012-02-08 18:07:15 Didn't the Chanterelles sing "My Girl"? 

23292 hinrgman 2012-02-08 18:43:48 Vin - I read this article and all I could think of is you and your children. 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204740904577196931457473816.html 

23295 vinmoet 2012-02-09 10:23:24 H: I had seen the article too. Am not so sure I completely agree with her but see elements of truth. 

1. In France you do not see children in the restaurants unless its a Sunday. Only singles and couples. Thus, you 

will never see disruptive kids there unless there are kids. We routinely get compliments from restaurants there 

about how good our children because its not common. Also, they usually think we are an English, sometimes 

French, family so you can't blame it on our being Americans. If you see unruly kids in the restaurants here it may 

be partially because we're culturally different, but its also because there are kids in the restaurants. 

2. The techniques she finds to be a revelation are the same ones that appear in a number of common parenting 

guides here in the States. I would suggest that many middle class/educated folk tend to read these and as a 

result tend to have well behaved children regardless of which country they come from. 

3. She is a new mother. As new parents,we are all insecure, lack knowedge, lack confidence and are sleep 

deprived. She is getting her information from the locals around her. Their answers bolster her insecurity and 

help her through her problems. I suspect that she puts them (as French) on a higher pedestal than they may 

deserve. I suspect she could have a similar experience living in my home town or yours. 

4. Whether here or there, any parent who puts time in with their child gets a child who tends to be more 

mature, respectful and successful. I suggest that her circle of friends reflects a similar philosophy which may or 

may not be reflective of the country as a whole. 

23299 BrunelloBob 2012-02-09 12:24:32 We should send all American children (except Vinny's, and maybe cbs') to France to be raised by French parents.... 




23300 hinrgman 2012-02-09 12:56:17 I 

23301 vinmoet 2012-02-09 13:08:41 BBob: Here's a sample of reality...http://aupairmom.com/can-you-say-exploited-in-french-au-pair-asks-what-todo/2010/06/08/celiaharquail/ 

Hey, why don't you get a French au pair? (FOR the KID BBob, not you!) 

23304 BrunelloBob 2012-02-09 15:33:18 "Au pair" of french! Heck, I don't even want ONE! :D 

Now an Italian au pair... :) :) 

(Full disclosure: No smelly kids in the BBob household. That's the only reason I can afford to kinda drink at the 

same level as some of you guys) 

23306 vinmoet 2012-02-09 16:29:41 BBob: France vs. Italy in the old West: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsPHPykEPHg&feature=related 

Brigitte Bardot vs. Claudia Cardinale...could it get any better? 

23309 BuffaloLou 2012-02-09 19:02:03 Just looked at the map of who's on-line. Who's in Manchester, IA? 

23310 BrunelloBob 2012-02-09 21:01:18 Exxxxxxxxxcellent! 

23311 mr21cbs 2012-02-09 21:07:03 Awesome video. 

~ 

BrunelloBob, do the kids smelling of chlorine count as smelly? 

23312 BuffaloLou 2012-02-09 21:20:06 Wow. Brings back memories; great drum solo: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnYnSnVmXvM&feature=related 

23313 emerwine 2012-02-09 21:40:14 Great post BLOU, I just ended up winning some bottles on the spectrum internet auction that closed at 9pm . 

LOL. The bottle I usually bid on are usually under 100 bucks. It is just amazing how the same bad guy goes from 

one place to another to move his fake goods. 

23314 BuffaloLou 2012-02-09 21:46:57 Another "Wow!" Two guitar greats. Never knew they played together. Carlton and Ford: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yERTIErjTE4&feature=related 




23315 BuffaloLou 2012-02-09 21:50:05 @emerwine - Hopefully no DRC in your lots! LOL! Seriously, those were some amazing posts on that auction 

over at Berserkers! As most said, there were some good buys so long as one stayed away from the 

'questionable' lots. The price range where you usually buy sounds pretty safe, at least from what was stated. 

I saw that a lot of 12 '77 Taylor vintage Port went from BSP750! Damn! That's a really good price! In fact, it's a 

steal! 

I hope you enjoy your wines! 

23316 BuffaloLou 2012-02-09 21:55:13 OK gents (all due respect to the ladies), what sexier than a really, really, really sexy babe that can play the axe? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WfKtdFiO2k&feature=related 

Here's her latest (which I really like): 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSeR0Z2NFBs 

23322 mr21cbs 2012-02-10 17:21:46 Testing, testing, is anybody out there?... 

23323 BrunelloBob 2012-02-10 18:02:03 "The only ones here is us chickens".... 

Sorry cbs, even clorinated kids are smelly. They're born that way; you can't wash it out. :) 

Don't fret though. Even Vinny's kids are smelly, and they're rumored to be Very well behaved. Besides, kids are 

like french wine. Some people like a little "funk"... 

23325 mr21cbs 2012-02-10 18:34:48 Well said, BrunelloBob. It is kinda boring around here. Any plans for tonight? What are you drinking? My usual 

Friday festivities are not happening, I have had a crazy week and need some high ABV Shiraz or Zin. 

23326 BuffaloLou 2012-02-10 18:39:18 Thank goodness we didn't have to go 24 hours without a post! I kept checking back, but... 

@cbs - I like your choice for tonight. Any specifics? Presently deciding what to pop for tonight. Hmmm... 




23327 louas 2012-02-10 18:54:17 Hey it's Syrah night in AZ as well! Just popped a bottle of Garagiste Mystery wine #30, which turns out to be 

McCrea, Boushey Vineyard 2007 Syrah. ABV 14.8%. Now in decanter. will try to remember to report later. 

Presently sitting out on back porch enjoying 75 degree sunshine with a vodka and tonic. Played golf wednesday 

in shorts and polo. Unreal weather this winter. HOWEVER, later this month the PGA Match Play event roles into 

town and there is a big PRCA Rodeo (which is a big whoop around here complete with parade and time off from 

school) so I am expecting cold rainy conditions will be here then 

23328 BuffaloLou 2012-02-10 19:17:08 Decided to pop a '95 Araujo Syrah (I like their Syrah better than their Cab). Drinking beautifully on the pnp. 

23329 mr21cbs 2012-02-10 19:17:23 BuffaloLou - my last bottle of the 2005 R Wines Shiraz First Class to start with. If it goes down, I have 2007 Saviez 

Zinfandel in another decanter. Russian pelmeni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelmeni) for dinner. 

23330 jpakma 2012-02-10 19:28:17 Going to open a Syrah tonight too. Just popped a 2009 Copain Syrah Les Voisins. I've been crazy busy at work this 

past week. I wish I had your weather louas! 

23331 hinrgman 2012-02-10 20:00:09 Did anyone get the Long Meadow Ranch Cabernet 2007 on Empire. It sold out quickly, now they are offering a 

Burgess Cellars Cabernet Sauvignon 2007. Nice cabs. 

23332 BrunelloBob 2012-02-10 21:01:59 I'm on a 2010 Michel Gassier Côtes du Rhone Villages Visan Cercius: 


About what I've come to expect/enjoy from the Southern Rhone at this pricepoint, though a bit thin. Decent QPR 

at $13.98 from The Temple. The CT 88 is spot on. 

Re: the 2007 Burgess: Based on my experience with the 2006, that's gonna need some sideways time... 

23334 BuffaloLou 2012-02-10 23:00:09 @cbs - two nice choices! I've heard good things about the R Wines Shiraz' and I know the Saviez Zins are 

fantastic! 

23338 John O' 2012-02-11 07:22:07 @CBS 

Yes, the 1st Class Shiraz is terrific. I'm also down to 1 bottle. 

23339 BrunelloBob 2012-02-11 08:04:22 FWIW: The 2009 Flora Springs Cab Franc on WTSO at $19.99 looks like a good play. 

I had the 2008 and really liked it, and if Newman says the 2009 is even Better....! :lol: 

23340 Hinrgman 2012-02-11 08:30:28 B² - that certainly is a nice wine, picked some up myself also. 

23341 mr21cbs 2012-02-11 08:34:41 BrunelloBob and Hinrgman, I did as well. A few Cab Francs I had from Napa were terrific, so I gave this one a go. 

23343 WineKnurd 2012-02-11 10:49:08 If there are any Adelle fans out there, I got my wife the live at Royal Albert Hall CD/DVD set and its is really good. 

I wish I had waited a few days to present it as a Valentine's gift, so if any of the inmates are married to Adelle 

fans (last minute gift idea hint hint...) 




23346 vinmoet 2012-02-11 11:57:32 Who out there is a big Port drinker? I am pretty much open to drinking anything grape based, but I have not 

developed any passion for Port myself. 

For you Port drinkers, what do you look for? 

23348 BuffaloLou 2012-02-11 15:30:07 @Vinny - I love port. I love the intense fruit forward flavors, black fruits; a lot of depth and power. A great 

vintage port is almost overwhelming, transcending the experience to an elevated level. 

I remember back in the early 90s consuming bottles (with friends... ) of '77 Fonseca. It was incredible! Intense. 

It was my only 100 point wine, and there hasn't been anything like it since. Makes me want to pop one... 

23349 louas 2012-02-11 15:35:36 Oh man is it nice today. Windows are all open and we are doing a light spring cleaning. Maybe 76 degrees. 

Mystery wine #30 a bit of a disappointment, sorry to report. Fruit forward, alcohol well balanced and not hot at 

all. But no finish. No tannins. Nothing much on the back end. Now in fairness, this arrived just a week ago and 

maybe still is all shook up from the truck ride. 

Tonight Filets on the grill with polenta and asparagus Plan to open a 2005 Haut Medoc. "The Winemaker's 

Collection, Cuvee #1" made by everybody's favorite Michel Rolland!!!!!!!!! 

Today is Ms. Louas' son's 26th birthday. He is a special needs boy operating at about 5 yrs old. He (and Ms. 

Louas) have really been a blessing for me. What I ever did to deserve their love is beyond me. Pizza party to 

celebrate tomorrow. Cheapo wine will be featured. 

23351 luddite 2012-02-11 18:25:05 @louas: Happy Birthday to your wife's son. I suspect you give as much love as you receive :D 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AN7S7n8VdM&feature=related 

23352 WineKnurd 2012-02-11 18:44:57 Vinny, actually taking a bottle of 2003 Grahams to a friends party tonight. 2003 was supposed to be a great year 

for Porto, looking forward to it. 

23354 BuffaloLou 2012-02-11 19:45:15 @louas - Happy B-day to Mrs. Louas' son! Today is our son's b-day, too, but he's half that age. Became a 

teenager today! We celebrated with his fav meal... charcuterie and cheeses. Works for me! Served (not him... ) 

with a '95 Castello Banfi BdM. 




23358 Jovino 2012-02-11 21:24:38 I had actually logged in after a long absence to see if anyone had advice on how to pick up wine shippers 

cheap/free. But saw Louas' post and can't help mentioning that we just had my brother in law over for a last 

weekend meal before the move (yes for those of you playing the home game, the Jovinos are finally moving to 

Dallas March 1). Frankie is also developmentally disabled and he's 44, but functions like a ten year old. It has 

been so hard for us to tell him we were moving since his Dad moved away 20 years ago and has barely contacted 

him since. I am very happy to hear about Louas' positive attitude and experience. Mine, as a brother-in-law, and 

non-caregiver is of course very different. I just need to say that after watching a straight line decline since I met 

him five years ago, Frankie has made enormous progress in the last year. The incredible and seemingly sisyphean 

efforts of his mother and a couple of dedicated social workers (he is institutionalized due to the violent 

tendancies of those with his disease) have worked a near miracle. I applaud Louas, his wife, and everyone else 

who understands that the lives of those who might otherwise be written off can have incredible meaning and are 

very much worth fighting for (so long as you don't totally neglect the able bodied/minded along side them). 

I've missed you guys. I'll try to log back in when I get settled. If anyone in Essex county has a bunch of styrofoam 

23359 A Frayed Knot 2012-02-11 21:26:06 You know your a redneck when...... 

a dinner party consists of a roaring campfire, wild boar three ways.....ribs, hams, and chili.......washed down with 

apple pie moonshine! 

Stick a fork in me..........I'm done! 

23360 David T 2012-02-11 21:36:08 Happy birthday to both Ms. Louas’ son and young Mr Alex! Lou, enjoy the ride the next seven years will definitely 

take you on (I guess literally in three!) 

: 

My mom's career is a physical therapist for children with special needs, and she has set up numerous activities 

for adults with special needs through our church, including a yearly week-long summer camp. Having 

volunteered there throughout high school/college though unfortunately not since I moved to Cleveland, I can 

truly say it is a joy and privilege to work with them, and many have become true friends. 

: 

@AFK That sounds absolutely delicious. If I must become a redneck to enjoy it, so be it. 

23361 BrunelloBob 2012-02-11 21:50:40 Welll said Jovino.... 

(and not just 'cause I'm 3/4 through a 14.4% Napa Cab). 




23362 BuffaloLou 2012-02-11 23:31:16 @Jovino - email me scouterlou at gmail with your shipping addy. I'll send you some shippers. I'm happy to get 

rid of them and happier still to see them used. 

@AFK - stop teasing us like that! Campfire... wild boar... Day-um! (Think I'd avoid the moonshine, tho!) 

@David T - Thanks! We can't believe he's a teenager. The years have flown. We're truly blessed. He's a good 

boy; good student (although he has to work at it, at least he does!); sooo musically talented (must have been the 

mailman! LOL!) and excels with his Karate and in Scouts. Blessed we are, blessed. 

23363 BuffaloLou 2012-02-12 01:05:46 Tragic news about Whitney Houston tonight. RIP. 

23366 WineKnurd 2012-02-12 10:44:56 BLou- drank that 2003 Vintage Port last night. Of course still young and fruit forward, but lots of development 

throughout the bottle- damson plums, plouts, raisins, creme de cassis, and about halfway through the bottle I 

started noticing the bitter pecan shells. Flavors were very clean and it was silky smooth, drank too easily IMO! Its 

drinking well right now but probably won't open my next bottle for at least 5 more years. 

23368 louas 2012-02-12 13:11:20 Thank you for the kind thoughts and birthday wishes for Andrew. Last night's Cuvee #1 was a really nice bottle of 

wine. Balanced and just right with a steak. Temp expected to plummet to 72 today. 

I grew up with the Willis Reed-Bradley-Frazier Knicks. It has been a long time but I am all in for the LIN-SANITY!!! 

23369 wine magnet 2012-02-12 13:13:28 Jovino: Not knowing in which Essex County you reside (NY,NJ, MA.VA, or other) or if you are shipping these wines 

or transporting them yourself, I may have shippers of different multiple designs/materials available. At the end 

of Feb, probably any type shipper would be OK for a trip to TX. Should you be fortunate enough to have a 

relative or obliging close friend who works for FedEx or Delta, those employees get a 75% or more discount on 2 

day air service. My son works for the latter and is now shipping wines I have ordered for him to Atlanta, where 

he is based. He picks them up at a FedEx Office/Kinko's close to work. The cost for each case from SW FL to GA 

is a little over $1/btl. UPS or FedEx Ground would be at least $3/btl as a regular consumer/shipper. If you have a 

LWS which ships fair volumes with either, you might be able to get them to use their account so you can take 

advantage of their volume discounts (your volume might even help them to get into a lower price bracket). 

If you will sent/post the address at which you would like to receive shippers (a commercial location will be the 

cheapest place to send), I can calculate my cost to ship boxes from FL. I probably have at least a dozen case sized 

and some 4s, although I took 7 to thewinetobuy.com just yesterday. spcentsp at knology dot net 

I will be out of town all day Monday and would not be able to weigh/price shipping until Tues at the earliest. 




23371 wine magnet 2012-02-12 13:30:50 @vinmoet and other Bordeaux drinkers: Yesterday when I visited Mitch, the owner of thewinetobuy.com in 

Sarasota, I ordered a couple of special items from the impeccable cellar storage of one of his customers who 

must reduce his stash of Bordeaux (and others) because there literally is not enough room to walk into the room 

to examine the contents. Mitch says that there are several hundred 

23372 wine magnet 2012-02-12 14:00:09 @vinmoet and other Bordeaux drinkers: Yesterday when I visited Mitch, the owner of thewinetobuy.com in 

Sarasota, I ordered a couple of special items from the impeccable cellar storage of one of his customers who 

must reduce his stash of Bordeaux (and others) because there literally is not enough room to walk into the room 

to examine the contents. Mitch says that there are several hundred cases of Bordeaux, more than he has ever 

seen in one location during his decades in the wholesale end of the wine business. 

I bought what is believed to be the last 9 bottles of 1990 Chateau Leoville las Cases for $120/btl (check 

winesearcher.com pro for current pricing!!) and I am waiting to hear pricing on other vintages. 

Should anyone have any special desires, send them on to me and I will ask Mitch to try to decipher the collector's 

notes, or you can call Mitch directly and tell him that Carl in St. Pete alerted you to a Bordeaux collection. I am at 

spcentsp at knology dot net 

23373 vinmoet 2012-02-12 15:21:46 Thanks WM. Just sent you a gmail email. 

23375 WineKnurd 2012-02-12 23:21:34 Maybe it's just me, but I no longer see a link to WL TV episodes or the forum on the new WL front page. Has Gary 

abandoned social media? 

23376 David T 2012-02-13 00:32:38 @WineKnurd Here's the new GaryVee social media... online video is so 21st century... oh wait... 

https://twitter.com/#!/garyvee/status/168840542933884929ortee 

edit: shortened link here: http://pinterest.com/garyvee/wine/ 

note: that's Gary V with two E's... what kind of a dumba$$ screen name is that?!? 

GVaD |( 

23380 BrunelloBob 2012-02-13 06:22:01 DT: What's the "over-under" on The Demigod losing interest/shutting down that project? Maybe 6 weeks? 




23381 johnr 2012-02-13 07:17:52 Ever since he stopped WLTV he's become irrelvant. He was an innovator with WLTV and Sirius, now he just 

boasts about how he is an innovator. My wife's loves pinterest, ergo, I am not interested. I believe that when 

you look back about his wine reviews you will notice that his reviews and what he scored had some relationship 

to what WL was selling. Not claiming outright shilling, but he knew that what the score was. Perfect example 

was Le Craps. "ummmmm 89issssshhhhhhhhh, 90 you don't understand wine like I do. I lost respect for GV 

when Phredd told me he commented that "he doesn't roll out of bed for less than 10grand." 

23382 johnr 2012-02-13 07:21:07 Oh and commenting at a tech confence about how its soo important to listen to the customer and have a 2 way 

conversation. They talk about how HE build brands based on putting customers opinions ahead of profits. Next 

day he pulls the plug on Cindy's comment section. I wonder if sales are the same since Nov 1 2010? 

23383 BrunelloBob 2012-02-13 07:38:06 J.R. and I aren't feeling loved. 

I know my problem is that I wasn't breast fed as a baby.... ;) 

23384 mr21cbs 2012-02-13 09:21:14 johnr, I have tried to follow GV in his new social media market prognosticator role, but just don't see the same 

level of credibility, originality and, as you said it, innovation. He is not Techcrunch, Mashable, or Robert Scoble. 

Most of his messages are cliche at best. There is something to be said about the focus on customers as the 

message behind "The Thank You Economy" book, but practice what you preach, fuel the community you built, do 

not overmonetize the good. I do buy much less from WL because I don't like their site, the GourmetLibrary has 

been down for months, there are many solid offerings from others. My loyalty would only go so far... 

23385 luddite 2012-02-13 09:57:48 @B²: Are you familar with this producer/wine '06 Mastrojanni Brunello di Montalcino? Thumbs up or down @ 

$42? 

23386 BrunelloBob 2012-02-13 10:40:35 @Ludds: Legit producer. Strikes me as a good price, but I'm not blown away by it in this market. 

@cbs: good post 

23387 johnr 2012-02-13 10:58:01 Actually, I feel that BW is much better at addressing my concerns than GV was. GV was all about the 

grammar!!!!! 

BB: I was dropped as a child, however according to Mobius... 

23388 WaitinginManassas 2012-02-13 11:32:39 @Ludds I've had the Mastrojanni San Pio Toscana IGT in both 06 and 07 for around $31 per bottle. They were 

very good, haven't had any of their BdM. 

@AFK and TonyO Happy Belated Bday! 

I've been riveted by the Wine Beserkers potential counterfeiting scandal lately so I've been there more than 

anywhere. 

Hope everyone is well... 




23390 BrunelloBob 2012-02-13 12:11:23 @JR: Mobius dropped you on your head? Was he breast feeding you at the time??!? 

(I KILL ME! :lol: :lol: :lol: ) 

23392 Jovino 2012-02-13 14:02:19 wine magnet, BLou has been kind enough to ship some of his shippers to me. I could certainly use some more of 

the case size. please email me at jonahpet at yahoo for my address and fedex number if you'd like to send some 

more. i thought out my options for the move and i think I had a pretty good idea on wine friendly shipping. i am 

hiring local movers on both ends to do the pack/unpack and I am contracting directly with a trucking company to 

do the haul. that way i can lock up an entire truck (with room for my car) and ensure a direct route (three days 

maximum). i can buy as much or as little insurance as I like and control the process. if anyone knows of a reason 

why that won't work, please speak up now while I can still change my mind. 

23394 Jovino 2012-02-13 14:07:23 Wine magnet - i know you said you wouldn't be able to ship for a while. I won't be packing my wine until the 

27th, so I have a little time. 

23395 Jovino 2012-02-13 14:09:33 If anyone has a move planned for March, please contact me for shippers. I'd love to continue the favor bestowed 

upon me here. 

23397 BuffaloLou 2012-02-13 14:51:46 @Jovino - I have 11 case shippers here at work. I know I have more than that at home. I'll see what I can 

condense tonight (to free shippers) and ship out to you either Tuesday or Thursday. 

23398 BuffaloLou 2012-02-13 15:57:12 re: Whitney Houston - ""It looks like it was a lethal combination of prescription drugs and alcohol, but it's still to 

early to rule out other causes. That's just what it's looking like now," the official, speaking on condition of 

anonymity, told FoxNews.com." 

23399 luddite 2012-02-13 15:59:54 @B²/WiM: Thanks for your inputs! I decided to pass and it's a good thing as better deals have come along on 

Wineshopper and WTSO Platinum... 

23400 mr21cbs 2012-02-13 16:12:02 Luddite, what have you been buying from WTSO Platinum. There are two interesting reds on WTSO and WTSO 

Platinum right now, but I am unfamiliar with either, although leaning towards the Broman Cellars, Beckstoffer 

Vineyards Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2005. Anything in particular you would be looking for during their 

Cheapskate Wednesday? 

23402 vinmoet 2012-02-13 16:36:51 CBS - with regard to the QPR, I'd say you've got us covered pretty well. Love the disclosure. 

As usual, great work CBS. Thank you. 




23403 luddite 2012-02-13 16:47:55 @mr21cbs: Just purchased the '06 Antinori Tignanello for even less than @David T/WiM and I paid when we got 

a great price from Garys.com. 

As far as cheapskate Wednesday possibilities, I recently purchased the '05 Burgess Cab Library Release: 


and the '06 Bodegas Poesia Clos Des Andes Malbec Reserva 


23404 Phil Oxera 2012-02-13 17:40:36 Leave GV alone yea bunch of Bozos....I've had enough of this...I'm off! 

23405 BrunelloBob 2012-02-13 17:51:18 Off your rocker? 

Off your meds? 

Off the reservation? 

.............. :) ........... 

23406 vinmoet 2012-02-13 18:20:11 Am trying to get some info to make a decision, posted this over at Cindy: 

Williams Selyem was written into American wine history by its founders Burt and Ed. They are famous for using 

traditional Burgundian techniques for making great Pinot in California. But they sold the company quite a ways 

back. The current owners spent big bucks on a new, fancy facility...quite the opposite of the way the founders 

put the company together. 

I've not tried their wines. I am on their list and am going to buy some. The question is, how much to buy? I have 

palate for old world wines and have generally found Cali Pinot to be over extracted and too high in ABV for my 

palate. 

Theoretically, these guys would make a Cali Pinot that I should like. So, will I? Does the current ownership 

replicate the ways of old? Should I be scared of the capital investment and its modern influence on the 

winemaking? In short, is this good stuff and will I be happy buying more than a few bottles? Would appreciate 

the input of folks who have had this. 




23408 luddite 2012-02-13 18:47:47 @vinny: We all know that I'm not qualified to comment, but @WiM loves a good pinot and recommended this 

site to me: 

http://www.princeofpinot.com/winery/154/ 

@BD has also supplied input on these pinots... 

23410 BrunelloBob 2012-02-13 20:48:12 Vinny: I got nothin' for ya on Billys Seylem--I ordered for the first time today. 

Pinots better have some fruit in 'em, bot like those frenchy things,,, 

23411 jpakma 2012-02-13 21:49:06 @vinmoet I can't help either but I bought 4 bottles during their fall 2011 release (1ea of Bucher, Eastside Road, 

Flax and Hirsch). I've yet to open a bottle. 

Drinking a Molly Dooker Two Left Feet tonight that was part of a gift someone gave me. I really don't like this 

wine, kind of like a bottle of cough syrup it's so extracted and oaked. MEH! May have to open a beer or go for a 

scotch. 

23412 BuffaloLou 2012-02-13 23:09:33 @vinny - re: Billy's Seylem - you may want to try wine berserkers. There's so many contributors there that you 

might get more info than you can use... 

23416 hinrgman 2012-02-14 08:35:58 Happy Valentines Day Everyone! 

23417 BuffaloLou 2012-02-14 09:17:43 @Jovino – I'm up to 13 case shippers, with more to come. I'll start processing them today. 

Happy V-day to all! Kiss your sweetie and hug your children! And be sure to have a piece of good dark 

chocolate!! Goes well with a Cali Cab or Zin, IMHO. ;) 

23420 mr21cbs 2012-02-14 13:47:53 I will second Wine Magnet's sentiments on the Rose/Sancerre offer from Last Bottle. Have not tried the Rose, 

perhaps tonight, but the Sancerre is a steal for the money. Fresh, crisp, vibrant. We had it with grilled cod, then with a 

variety of fruits and cheeses, all of which went exceptionally well with the wine. 

23422 mcmalbec 2012-02-14 16:05:16 Shall we partake of the Amorone at the Chateau? 

23424 hinrgman 2012-02-14 17:16:44 mc- which chateau is that? 

23425 vinmoet 2012-02-14 17:39:33 Taking Mrs. V out on the town tonight. The V-Day special pairs wines with the courses. Arrrrggg, no French 

wines and I can't take my own (or won't since I am paying for the pairing whether I want it or not). Am scared, 

alone, confused. Don't know the wines... 

Anybody have any of these? http://www.shout.net/~radiom/source/barspecials.pdf 




23429 wine magnet 2012-02-14 20:02:10 Michael: I'm glad you agree with my sentiments re: the LB duo offer. I took both to Mitch at thewinetobuy.com 

on Sat, just for him to try and to guess the prices. He thought they were both starting their downhill journey but 

also thought that either was a steal at $10/btl, at which he would have loaded up. When he learned the real 

price w/free shipping, he was incredulous. If nothing else, Cory generated a lot of conversation/interest with a 

short-lived offer. I am waiting for the March offer of similar value which he promised in an email. I hope I don't 

miss something equally outstanding! 

23430 McMalbec 2012-02-14 20:23:26 @hingrmanhttp://www.winechateau.com/sku90180_FACCIOLI-BAFFO-DEL-GRIPPI-AMARONE-DELLA-VALPOLICELLA- 

CLASSICO-DOC-750ML-2005 

23431 BuffaloLou 2012-02-14 21:19:38 @McM - There really isn't much info out there on that AH MA RO NAY, is there? 

23438 mr21cbs 2012-02-15 09:17:24 Need advice on a wine magazine to educate, enlighten myself and discover wines, regions, etc. Any suggestions? 

What do you read? 

23441 K is for Kate 2012-02-15 11:33:59 Vinmoet- Obviously I'm too late to offer any advice on your non-French wines for last night and the only one I've 

had is the Donnhoff anyway, but I'm curious what you chose and how it was. I am fascinated by a couple of their 

options, namely the 2009 Emilio Bulfon Sciaglin Frizz (Sciaglin is a grape I have never tried and I think the Frizz is 

meant to indicate that it's sparkling, so that makes me extra-curious) and the 2003 Silvano Garcia Dulce 

Monastrel (sweet Monastrel sounds like it could be fun). 




23442 vinmoet 2012-02-15 11:34:01 CBS: I subscribe to Wine Spectator (even though I ignore its Bordeaux reviews). I'm like a bug attracted to a 

bright light and WS is too flashy for me to ignore. I subscribe to Wine Enthusiast because of that really cheap 

offer that was posted here some time back. I concede that I won't renew it but I've got another 4 years. 

You can subscribe online to Burghound (used to subscribe, will renew), erobertparker (current subscriber), and 

rhone report (been there not a current subscriber). For fun look at wineandspiritsmagazine.com and also 

wineanorak.com. 

For my favorite "horizon broadening online subscription service", I like jancisrobinson.com. You get world 

reviews and articles talking about various regions. This is a great go to website. 

Parker's site is too disjointed. You are basically using its reviews as tools on researching wine versus its articles 

although on occasion they can be good. I subscribe to it for that purpose plus I get access to Neil Martin notes (I 

was an early devotee of his way back when he was a reckless independent with his own site). 

I'd recommend books. The must have is the wine encyclopedia by Jancis Robinson. It covers everything and is a 

go to source when you have questions plus is a great read if you are a serious learner. Online materials just 

won't give you the underlying detail that a smart guy like you is going to want to get at. She is arguably the 

world's smartest reviewer, has world knowledge, and I would suggest buying any book that she has published. 

Use her name on Amazon to see what is there. 

At some point, I will post the worthwhile wine related books that I've read. Some are nerdy others are 



23443 vinmoet 2012-02-15 12:09:39 Kate: 


It was a lackluster selection for my palate. 

09 Donhoff Estate Riesling was the best. Simple, fruity no structure no complexity but a very nice wine. Could 

see serving it at a large party. 86VM 

07 Testarossa Pinot Noir. High ABV hit you over the head. Muted cherry. 82VM 

90 Churton Sauvignon Blanc. Tasted to me like New Zealand SB and guess what, it is. If you like that profile, 

you'd like this. I found this version simple and acrid. Candidly, Kim Crawford would have been a better option. 

83VM. 

08 Ascheri Bricco S. Giacomo Bebbiolo. I am sure that this is an inexpensive wine. Not exactly an expert on 

Italian wine, but don't need to be to find no structure, minimal fruit, minimal minerality. Passable meh. 82vm. 

09 Turley Juvenile Vines Zin. I am not the world's biggest Zin fan, so discount my comments accordingly, but I 

have had some of the best Vins so I've got a clue. This had crazy high ABV, displayed a heavy, jammy component 

yet managed to hide its fruit. How, I just don't know. Not much more to comment about. 82vm. 

09 Vivalda Moscato d'Asit clean, simple, citrus notes, bit of yeast. A decent working class desert wine. Drinkable. 

84vm. 

03 Silvano Garcia Duke Monastrel. Uncomplicated straightforward wine maybe a bit long in the tooth? Possibly 

bottle variation. 82vm. 

Kate, sorry, we did not try the Frizz. Am not sure what happened, but I though that we had ordered it but never 

d d d 

23444 BuffaloLou 2012-02-15 13:28:45 @jovino - I have 3 more case boxes for you (for a total, IIRC, of 16.) If you still need more, I have more; I just 

have to do more digging and re-arranging. Let me know. 



23445 BaroloDude 2012-02-15 14:33:46 @ vinnymoet... 


I would recommend Littorai if you want the most Burgundian styled RRV/Cali Pinots. The acidity can be bracing 

at times, like most red Burg i have tasted (and still struggle to find something i like at all). Williams Selyem has 

some bottlings that you might like, I get a few of them myself on allocation, but not as burgundian as Littorai. 

Stick to more SOnoma Coast bottlings, as they tend to have more "terroir" and not be fruit dominated, IMHO of 

course. I am no expert here ... i just know what i like (in order of my faves: Lynmar, Failla, Rochioli, Dumol, 

Williams Selyem, Peay) 

If you can find a Failla Keefer Ranch Pinot from 09, buy one. Vinopolis had some recently for a fair price. I love 

that bottling every vintage... and also try Failla Occidental Ridge PN, a bit more coastal sonoma earthiness in it. 

With Lynmar, try the Bliss Block (their more available Quail Hill is great, but prob more RRV style that you don't 

like, the Bliss Block has more earthiness and spice in it for sure, even though its just over the other side of the 

same hill...) 

dave underscore lieb at yahoo if you want to discuss more... cheers. 

23446 David T 2012-02-15 15:41:12 @mr +1 on vin's WFW suggestion. Pricey but worth it. Discounted subscription here 

http://secure3.subscribeonline.co.uk/finewine/offers.sol?ctry=45&mag=QUARWFW&cmp=CT2008 

23447 vinmoet 2012-02-15 16:03:09 Thanks Dude. That is a very helpful list indeed. Appreciate the feedback. 



23449 BaroloDude 2012-02-15 18:03:13 vinny, anytime. 


Littorai is the most burgundian styled cali PN i have tasted, and yet it still stays true to a Cali identity,... if that 

doesn't sound too pompous. I struggled at the tasting to like morethan one or two of the bottlings, but i could 

tell with some age there was greatness in there. 

========== 

Here is some info on Littorai and Ted Lemon, the winemaker. he won winemaker of the year back in 2010 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/26/FD6U1GUFAJ.DTL 

a snippet: 

The simple version of Ted Lemon's story: Young American goes to Burgundy. Becomes first American to run a 

Burgundian wine estate. Comes back and stays true to Pinot's motherland. 

That would be the easy version, but it misses a crucial fact. For a quarter-century, Lemon has been hunting along 

the remote California coast, seeking places that speak absolutely of their roots and making wines that purely 

reflect a California sense of place. 

"Being a slave to Europe is as much a mistake as saying that super-ripe California is a great expression," Lemon 

says. "You'll never hear what the land is saying if you just say, 'In Europe, they do this.' " 

Few winemakers are as committed as Lemon to the sanctity of California terroir. He is a true believer in its 

potential - specifically in the ability, along a coastal stretch of Sonoma and Mendocino counties, to find unique 

sites for exceptional grapes. His quest provided the name for the 4,000-case winery he and his wife, Heidi, 

founded: Littorai, a plural for the Latin of "coasts." 

Littorai wines are among the purest, most long-lasting expressions of Pinot Noir and Chardonnay in the New 

World. They have earned Lemon a reputation not as a Burgundian interpreter of California, but as a true 




23450 vinmoet 2012-02-15 18:41:49 Dude: Ted's quote says it all. He gets it. I remember seeing an interview by Jancis Robinson of Lalou Bize-Leroy 

who is of the Romanee Conti family and was ousted there and left to start Leroy. She is one of the finest 

winemakers, period. 

Jancis asked her to taste an Oregon Pinot. She tasted it, said that it was very good and technically correct but 

that it didn't display its terroir. She said that Oregon (and I think Cali) needed to focus on making wines that 

reflected their own terroir, to find their own identity, and not worry about copying Burgundy. 

For me Burgundian technique is about letting terroir show in the wines. Over extraction/chemical-mechanical 

intervention is certainly a style, but it IMHO obliterates any concept of terroir. 

While I hang with the guys in Bordeaux, I have mixed with the winemakers in Burgundy and with the guys in the 

Loire. All three areas say the same thing that Ted is saying...Cali needs to focus on its terroir. I think that this is 

the wave that more of Cali is getting into and thus it is an exciting time there with the best yet to come. 

23453 mr21cbs 2012-02-15 22:23:51 Vinmoet and DavidT, thank you for your literature recommendations. I will definitely look into WFW and other 

magazines. For my birthday I bought the World Atlas of Wine, Jancis Robinson's The Oxford Companion to Wine, 

The Wine Bible by Karen MacNeil, Kermit Lynch's Adventures on the Wine Route: A Wine Buyer's Tour of France, 

and "The Emperor of Wine: The Rise of Robert M. Parker, Jr. and the Reign of American Taste". My father found 

the first edition of the World Atlas of Wine and presented it to me as well. So I am comparing the 1st, from 1971 

which is my birth year, and the current 6th edition. 

~ 

Kermit Lynch's book is a fascinating read indeed. I found a few producers that he mentioned in the LWS and will 

try to taste them (starting with Domaine Charles Joguet Chinon Cuvee Terroir 2008). It is truly an adventure. If 

you have any other book recommendations, feel free to share. 

23454 BuffaloLou 2012-02-15 22:39:32 Hmmm... WL site is down. CW site is down. Wine Berserkers site is down. But TH is up!! :D 

23455 mr21cbs 2012-02-15 22:54:33 BuffaloLou, I can take TH down, if it will make you feel better? To be fair, they do get a lot more traffic than us. 

23456 BuffaloLou 2012-02-15 23:01:39 @cbs - I don't think it's traffic. Must be maintenance or something up with the 'Net. That said, TH is doing just 

fine, thank you! 

23457 David T 2012-02-15 23:08:30 Add Beeradvocate to that list. The site has been down much of this week; the main site has been back up for 

about 24 hours but their forums are still down d/t server issues. 




23463 vinmoet 2012-02-16 10:15:29 Chinese military computer intelligence messing with our booze sites? Getting ready to shut down our internet 

wine buying in the event of conflict with the Koreas or elsewhere? I'm getting nervous. 

23464 hinrgman 2012-02-16 11:26:06 Interesting article - Smart Phones 

CBS: The Lynch book is great, isn't it. You've definitely picked some good material to review. I'll go over what 

I've read whenever I'm at home for any period of time and post a few other titles for you. Its addictive reading. I 

can recall a few coffee table type of books that I like which you can add to your list: 

The Wines of Burgundy - Clive Coates 

The Complete Bordeaux - STephen Brook 

Bordeaux Chateaux: A History of the Grands Crus Classes 1855-2005 

These are all old enough that you can usually steal them on Amazon. 

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/google-and-mobile-apps-take-data-books-without-permission/ 

23470 BrunelloBob 2012-02-16 13:48:23 Anyone besides me amused when Cristal shows up on WTSO? 

Not much of a savings, unfortunately... 

23471 WaitinginManassas 2012-02-16 15:28:55 I guess after Cheapskate Wednesday, they had to put something on there that didn't require massive amounts 

needing to be shipped out! 

23473 mr21cbs 2012-02-16 16:40:37 I was definitely amused when to reassure the audience that the Cheapskate Wednesday is over WTSO posts a 

$65 bottle of Burgundy and today's wines were much more expensive than usual. I guess they needed to catch 

on sleep and it is a good way to do it. 




23475 John O' 2012-02-16 18:31:48 My JJ Buckley Story: 

There's been talk about the private "concierges" with deals at JJB. One of you kind inmates sent in my e-mail 

address to get me hooked up, alas I never heard from them. 

So, I played golf in Florida Super Bowl weekend and one of the days was at a very nice private course in SW FLA 

where the Senior tour is this coming weekend (golfers will know this means it's top notch). Our host was very 

gracious and, as it turns out, an oenophile and a Notre Dame Trustee (despite my avatar this was not a positive 

for me). 

So, my band of bandits assigned me the task of sending him a thank you bottle. I searched around and found a 

magnum of 1990 Conn Valley Cab that was within my cheapskate friends budget. 

The next thing you know, I get an unsolicited e-mail from Charity at JJB thanking me and putting me on her list. 

Today, I picked up 3 cases of pre-order 2009 Bordeaux's at unadvertised discounts. 

It's funny how when you make this a passion, the dots start to connect. 

23476 mr21cbs 2012-02-16 18:35:02 Is there such a thing as everyday Brunello? With the planned grilled pork chops, mashed potatoes and a garden 

salad it is time for 2005 Domus Vitae Brunello di Montalcino. $24 from WTSO. 

~ 

What is your prestige or price limit for an every day drinker? Is there such a thing - an "every day drinker"? A bit 

philosophical, don't you think...? 

23477 John O' 2012-02-16 18:42:31 @Mr CBS 

That amount seems to be on an upward incline. 

I'd have to say, I'd feel no guilt in opening a $24 Brunello on a "school night" for no particular reason. 


2006 Hyde De Villaine 

Chardonnay - USA, California, Napa Valley, Carneros (2/16/2012) 

Truly enjoyable. Nice to have a Cali Chard that wasn't all oak. Mango, passion fruit, and coconut on the palate. 

Slightly creamy with some vanilla. Beautifully balanced. Would still like to see less oak and more fruit, but a solid 

effort! (90 points) 


23480 BuffaloLou 2012-02-16 20:18:53 re: everyday drinker: Good question, cbs! it was <$10 up until a year or two ago, but it's moved up to 

<$15 lately. That said, there are still <$10 bargains to be found. Just recently picked-up 5 cases of Wayne 

Gretzky No. 99 Cab Sauv '05 for $9.99. 




23481 BrunelloBob 2012-02-16 20:19:03 @Australian John: "3 cases of pre-order 2009 Bordeaux’s at unadvertised discounts". That first JJBuck guy that 

didn't get back to you screwed up. Bad. :lol: 

23482 BaroloDude 2012-02-16 20:31:42 random thoughts and bon mots... 

@cbs: "Everyday Brunello" used to be called rosso di Montalcino. With the floor falling out of Brunello pricing, 

that's changed... 

Your thoughts on the Domus Vitae? I've seen it on WTSO but never had it or heard of it otherwise. Not 

optimistic, but at that price it's hard to lose... The D.V. rdm is up on WTSO right now at $14.99 BTW... 

- I don't think of brunello as a daily drinker... ROSSO di Montalcino on the other hand, absolutely. Cannot go 

wrong with La Fortuna, Ferrero, Sesta Di Sopra, Piancornello, La Gerla RdMs at under 20 a piece... Brunello 

needs heartier fare (steak, big a$$ pasta sauces, etc.) and i don't eat that every day. Just my opinion!!! 

- WOrst cheapskate WED yet (thank you!!!) absolutely NOTHING i was interested in all day. Very grateful for it 

too. 

- re todays big WL supertuscan deal... did these two reviewers taste the same wine? "Full and velvety, with 

pretty strawberry and blueberries with just a hint of vanilla bean. The texture and finesse to this wine is 

beautiful. Drink now but better in 2012. Sangiovese and Merlot." 92 Points James Suckling.............."Though firm 

and youthful now, this red boasts a core of blackberry, raspberry, floral and mineral flavors. The juicy texture 

offsets the tannins, and the aftertaste echoes sweet fruit. Sangiovese and Merlot. Best from 2013 through 2023." 

91 Points - Wine Spectator......... one says Full and velvety, pretty... the other says firm and youthful... these 

are opposites to me. No? Leaves me on the sideline wondering what the heck i would get if i bought this. 

- sometimes the iPod does wondrous shuffle based things. "I predict a riot" by Kaiser Chiefs followed by the 

30min live version of Dazed and Confused. Perfect and i would have never thought of playing them back to back. 

Live Zepp, i have been away from you for too long my old friends. And then Mystical Potato Head Groove 

Thing... cool. What next ipod? 

- Opened a bottle of that Giulin Barbera d Monferrato that GV pimped last year... just ok. Got a bit better after 

20min open, but very mild stuff. Seepage on the cork, so check yours if you got them. Definitely ready to drink 

yesterday. 

23483 BuffaloLou 2012-02-16 20:54:14 @BD - I concur, it wasn't a good cheapskate day. That said, I did try to get in on the Abelis Carthago "Lui 

Selection" Castilla Leon Red, but it sold out as soon as I tried to buy. (I had a bottle of this the other day and it 

was rockin', esp for the $!) 

23484 BuffaloLou 2012-02-16 21:17:55 Rec'd an email from Cameron Hughes re: Lot 285 Rutherford Cab Sauv. Given the info that the vines were 

originally planted by Andre Tchelistcheff, I'm wondering if this juice came from BV. Hmmm... 




23485 BuffaloLou 2012-02-16 21:41:20 How does a professional sports team go from leading "2 goals to 0" to losing "7 goals to 2" (adjust "goals" to the 

sport.) 

The Sabres suck. 

23486 mr21cbs 2012-02-16 21:43:11 2005 Domus Vitae 

Brunello di Montalcino - Italy, Tuscany, Montalcino, Brunello di Montalcino (2/16/2012) 

2 hours of decanting and still funky nose. Some cherry compote, wild flowers, farmers shirt. Nice dark ruby color. 

Well integrated alcohol. Not a bad wine for the price and it matched well with the food of prosciutto, cheeses, 

salad, grilled vegetable spread on sun-dried tomato crackers. (89 points)Posted from CellarTracker 

23487 mr21cbs 2012-02-16 21:45:56 BuffaloLou, you do that very easily when playing the Flyers. They have been dreadful the last 4-5 games, so it was 

time for the offense to wake up. Your Sabres were the victim of some @$$ kicking by the coaches and the fans. 

Better luck next time against another team :evil: 

23488 WineKnurd 2012-02-16 21:47:16 BdM vs RdM, I have had quite a few of the "daily" Brunello's in my local market, and honestly I haven't found one 

that compares to the $20-$25 Il Poggione Rosso, and absolutely no contest against the $60+ Il Poggione Brunello, 

which I consider a "real" Brunello. I tried the Piancarello of Cindy back in the day but wasn't overly impressed 

either. 

I don't think "Brunello" means what it used to, back when only the big players had enough juice to get their 

wines into America. Its like Brunello is now suffering the same fate as Chianti did back when the market became 

flooded with cheaply produced wines. 

23489 mr21cbs 2012-02-16 21:54:55 BaroloDude I do not consider BdM as an every day drinker either, but was in the mood for something bigger and 

bolder. The price I paid was close to the RdM you are talking about and it kinda shows in the Brunello which was 

good but not great, as expected. 

~ 

How are your girls? Especially the little one? 

~ 

I happen to agree about the WTSO Cheapskates sale. Although I did get a few California reds, a Rosso Di 

Montalcino, and a couple of simple, everyday 2009 French reds, there was nothing regretful if you missed it. 

Overall there are way too many wines available at bargain prices. 




23491 David T 2012-02-16 23:39:32 @mr21cbs A year ago I would have said $10-15 for daily drinkers; something inexpensive, readily available yet 

tasty. Save the good stuff for the weekend when you can relax & don't have anything to worry about but 

focusing on the wine. These days, I'll open pretty much anything any time. If it would be a good pairing with 

dinner, if someone's doing an online tasting, even if I'm just in the mood for something specific.... pop goes the 

cork. 

23496 wine magnet 2012-02-17 06:42:53 mr21cbs: If you like Southern rhones which are predominately grenache, the current LB offering, '08 Vindemio 

Regain Ventoux is pretty hard to beat at $8/bottle with FS for 12, which is certainly the lowest price in the US. If 

only I had more room for deals like this, but I'm drinking recently arrived more expensive wines (Ondarre, 

DeSante Oakville Cab, and Amity and Soter North Valley Willamette Pinots) as dailies because I can't get them 

into cool storage. 

23497 BrunelloBob 2012-02-17 09:27:25 Interesting comment re: Brunello going the way of Chianti. There's an important difference, however. 

Brunello started with high quality producers. Yes, production expanded and quality arguably suffered as more 

(less desireable) land was brought into play and marginal producers began to export, but those core, quality 

producers from the 60s, 70s, and 80s are still around. I'd argue the core guys still dominate the market. Yes, 

there are some cheap, mediocre Brunelli around, but the quality is still available if you pay for it. 

Chianti, on the other hand, has been dominated by volume, low quality producers from the beginning (let's say 

1950). Quality got better recently, and there are a few real quality producers, but the poles are reversed. 

Whereas Brunello started with/is dominated by quality that has been somewhat eroded recently, Chianti started 

with/is dominated by low quality/volume producers and quality has improved recently. 

Not exact comparisons, but close. 




23499 vinmoet 2012-02-17 09:44:40 JJ Buckley seems to have a nice variety of QPR '09 Bordeaux. I posted some finds for Raffy on Cindy who is 

building his cellar. 

When I think about the bargains we like in that sub $30 range and there are numerous low 90 Parker scored 

wines paired with other 90 scores in that range, '09 Bordeaux is a buying opportunity. Remember, I've been 

telling you about this since, well, 2009. The time has come. 

For you finicky cheap skates, I like 

http://www.jjbuckley.com/Bordeaux-2009/c~0~v~9590~st~~vi~2009 

http://www.jjbuckley.com/2009-Cap-de-Faugeres-Bordeaux-Blend/p~2009~2047~750 

For a quality wine that will be a great long term cellar wine with accessibility along the way, for $40 this is a great 

wine: 

http://www.jjbuckley.com/2009-Arrosee-L-Bordeaux-Blend/p~2009~2269~750 

There are plenty of sub $20 wines, even sub $15 wines too. Those are not for the long haul, will drink young, and 

will keep 15 years or so. IMHO you can peruse the reviews, the prices, and then pick and choose and I don't 

think you will be disappointed. 

My new Binnys opens today!!! No more trips to Chicago just to get to a Binnys. This is a very big deal. 

23501 BuffaloLou 2012-02-17 11:30:16 Woot off today! 

So far, I've see two Petite Sirah offers. I caved on both. I hope they start offering something else, for my wallet's 

sake... 

23502 mr21cbs 2012-02-17 12:32:08 Wine Magnet, I picked up a case of the Vindemio Regain 2008 COTE DE VENTOUX from the Last Bottle and will 

split it with relatives and friends. I still have a few bottles of 2007 Vindemio Côtes du Ventoux Imagine which I 

really enjoy. 

23503 KenI 2012-02-17 12:49:45 @BLou You're in trouble, I read it's an all PS woot off. 

23504 BuffaloLou 2012-02-17 12:58:35 @KenI - oh dear... Yet another is up. You may be right! 




23505 wine magnet 2012-02-17 13:27:26 21cbs: I like the Imagine very much as well, but it is primarily syrah. It is well-made, IMHO (meets my taste 

profile), although it was a bit pricier from LB at $14, which was still a good QPR for me. 

BLou: I am so glad that I just don't have room for more wine, because I would have been ordering Petite Syrahs 

since 6AM with the woot off today. 

23506 AdamEmpire 2012-02-17 14:14:43 Happy Friday inmates! New limited Ship4Free 4 pack listed if anyone is interested. 

23507 BrunelloBob 2012-02-17 14:30:11 SHWIIIING! 

Nice offer Adam, I'm IN! 

23508 BuffaloLou 2012-02-17 15:06:05 Nice pack, Adam! 

23510 BuffaloLou 2012-02-17 15:48:41 @WM - somehow I missed your post. Room? Who needs room? Got a floor? Store the boxes on it! LOL! 

23511 hinrgman 2012-02-17 15:48:47 These killer PS just keeps on going on this Woot-Off. 

23512 john o' 2012-02-17 15:52:58 yep, nice pack. in 

23513 BuffaloLou 2012-02-17 16:22:41 @ hinrgman - A lot of good offers. I passed on the Foppiano, tho. 

23518 louas 2012-02-17 18:35:09 sorry I missed the Clayhouse and Kent Rasmussen on woot off. so annoying when work gets in the way. 

Enjoy the LINSANITY this weekend! 

23519 McMalbec 2012-02-17 19:41:34 @ vinmoet: thank you for the Bordeaux suggestions earlier today. What is your thought on the Lilian Ladouys? 

http://www.jjbuckley.com/2009-Ladouys-Lilian-Bordeaux-Blend/p~2009~11570~750 

23520 McMalbec 2012-02-17 19:44:05 @louas-no champagne last night, just bitters. 

23521 McMalbec 2012-02-17 19:48:35 @BuffaloLou: I was excited about the upcoming D&D Wootoff until I looked at my current inventory of 

Petite Sirahs. Now I'm trying to block it out of my mind and keep it off my browser. 

23522 NaH 2012-02-17 21:27:24 McM. Re: Lilian Ladouys 09. Good wine, great vintage, good buy 

23527 BuffaloLou 2012-02-18 00:25:30 @McM - it was a tought day with the Woot Off; thank goodness for low buy-ins! Skipped the Twisted Oak, but 

went in on the David Fulton juice boxes. 

23534 John O' 2012-02-18 10:09:49 @McMalbec 

Re Lilian Ladouys. Relative newcomer to Bordeaux. Lots of money spent. Well made in a modern style, but not 

classic bordeaux style. 




23535 WaitinginManassas 2012-02-18 11:40:45 Just caved on the von Hovel 2007 Scharzhofberg Riesling Spatlese now on Last Bottle. CT reviews looked good, 

and I need to expand my Riesling inventory (one area I don't have many) 

Had a great sushi dinner last night with mr and mrs21cbs and friends in Philly at To Yo. Hope the boys do well 

today at their meet! 

Cleaning out all the expired foods from my mom's house so she doesn't get food poisoning... then to the store! 

23536 wine magnet 2012-02-18 11:47:39 vinmoet: Are you familiar with 2000 Chateau Lynch-Moussas? It is available from a LWS (B-21) at $50/btl as a 

pre-order for April delivery (by which time I may have some room if I consume/share 2btls/day to the end of 

April. 

23538 John O' 2012-02-18 13:33:16 sweet deal up on Last Bottle: 

2006 Mt. Veeder Reserve Red 

$36 / SRP $80 

93 WE and 89 WS 

23539 BuffaloLou 2012-02-18 13:33:17 Graupel today, followed by lake effect snow with about 100' visibility. 

23540 BuffaloLou 2012-02-18 13:35:38 @JO: SWEET deal on the Mt. Veeder Reserve! I've had many other vintages. It's one of my favorite Cali reds. 

FS/4 to boot! Argh! 

23542 John O' 2012-02-18 14:38:38 @Buff Lou 

Why don't you blend it with some of that Petite Sirah stuff. You could create a whole new blend category. 

23543 John O' 2012-02-18 14:40:42 Petite Meritage 

23544 WineKnurd 2012-02-18 14:42:42 Wine Magnet- I love the 2000 Lynch-Moussas (followed by the 2005 and then the 2003). It retails for $70 here in 

NC and I personally would grab bottles at $50. I think it is a great chateau that has really devoted itself to 

improvement in the quality of its wines and drinks better than some of its other lower price 5º cru mates like 

Dauzac. Hope that helps. 

23545 BuffaloLou 2012-02-18 15:59:50 @JO - all the best wines have some PS included, ya know! ;) 



23548 BrunelloBob 2012-02-18 16:38:05 Over my last three orders with Wine Library: 


1) Wrong bottles sent to me. Returned, but they would not ship the replacement bottles until UPS had picked up 

the returns. UPS was a day late. I doubt that was UPS' fault. Replacement bottles sent to wrong address. No one 

home to receive... 

2) Just noticed I was charged shipping on an order I shouldn't have. I called and they agree to take it off. Would 

have killed them to throw in a simple apology? Why should I have to watch every order at every stage? 

Between the credit card issues, the systems IT issues, and the 5-10% failure rate on all shipments over two years, 

I wonder why I keep doing business with these clowns. 

Oh yeah, price. 

I guess you get what you pay for,,, 

But I'm only going to put up with that so far. Patience wearing thin. 

WTSO has NEVER screwed up an order of mine, or had my credit card info stolen. Same for JJBuck, Empire etc. 

23550 John O' 2012-02-18 17:39:25 @BB 

They do screw up on occasion. A few years ago their warehouse personnel were all on crystal meth. They're 

much better in the past year. From my perspective they've gotten a lot better. I pretty much run all my 

problems through Brandon and they are all rectified immediately, to my satisfaction and with profuse apology. . 

Surprised they wouldn't ship until the return had been picked up. That doesn't sound like the customer service 

I've seen. 

23551 BuffaloLou 2012-02-18 18:08:07 +1 to what JO said. 

And day-um, I go to church and return hoping the temptation is gone, but the Mt. Veeder is still available and 

calling my name. {cringe} 




23552 BrunelloBob 2012-02-18 18:17:38 @Australian John: I guess part of my point is (and always has been, this isn't a new complaint): How hard is it to 

get this right? 

1) Read the order 

2) Put the right wine in the box 

3) Ship it to the right place 

4) Charge me properly 

I know everyone makes mistakes. I made one once. I heard Joeg did once too. But I'm serious, I'm estimating the 

fail rate at 15% over 100+ orders. Every time they screw up, I have to deal with it. I'd rather be here ragging on 

you guys. 

Where is TonyO lately, BTW? 


Having run a trucking Company based in Newark NJ, I know it's very, very hard to get quality employees in that 

neck of the woods. That's why I cut them some slack. 

@ BuffLou - you plan on living forever? Go for it. 

23555 johnr 2012-02-18 20:13:04 Thats the Thank You Economy, baby!!!! On better note 07 Port rocks! 

23556 BuffaloLou 2012-02-18 20:19:45 @JR - What '07 port did you have? 

23558 BrunelloBob 2012-02-18 20:30:39 @A.J.: The Temple needs to outsource to China then :lol: 

What are you drinking? 

I've been killing the Southern Rhone lately: https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1142132 

23559 BrunelloBob 2012-02-18 20:34:32 JR: Talking about the banner ad, or are you drinking one? 

I know pitifully little about vintage port. Too young at this point, no? 

23560 johnr 2012-02-18 20:34:45 07 cockburns. ..great raisin, creme, strawberry. Alcohol is unnoticeable considering its 20%. Great acid, balanced 

considering its young 

23561 BuffaloLou 2012-02-18 20:47:31 @BB - While most say to age vintage port, many (most?) are still approachable in youth. They're huge, fruity, 

and high in alcohol. I'd have to say it's dependent on the wine itself, but many can be quite good in youth. Also 

depends on how you like your wine. 

@JR - Cockburns... yum! Good house! Are you drinking from a 750 or a split? 

23562 johnr 2012-02-18 20:58:17 @Lou.....750 go big or go home! I ve always enjoyed port younger for some reason. 

23564 BuffaloLou 2012-02-18 21:06:17 Damn JR, port 750s are serious stuff! I hope you're sharing that bottle! ;) (Truth be told, I'm envious... ) Enjoy! 



23575 BuffaloLou 2012-02-19 11:23:26 14+ hours w/o a comment? That must be corrected! 


A cute graphic found on FB to which many of my fellow Scouters can relate: 

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150564660757151&set=a.219458122150.134170.184855717 

150&type=1&theater 

23577 NY Pete 2012-02-19 16:42:40 I love the sound of breaking glass ... :) 

23578 John O' 2012-02-19 16:43:34 Just opened a 2004 san roman toro 

Groovin' on the dregs, while the rest decants. 

Life is good. 

23579 Hinrgman 2012-02-19 16:56:27 NYP -you broke another stem? 

23580 BrunelloBob 2012-02-19 17:38:41 2005 Flora Springs Cabernet Sauvignon St. Helena Reserve Rennie Vineyard on deck. 

Avec grilled ribeye, :) 

After the front-line merlot and the cab franc courtesy of WTSO, I'm really starting to warm up to this producer... 

23581 hinrgman 2012-02-19 17:50:25 B² - Have you tried any Trilogy bottling from Flora Springs? 

23583 BrunelloBob 2012-02-19 18:07:42 Not yet, but I've had my finger on the trigger a couple of times...I assume the trilogy has the H-man seal of 

approval? ;) 

23584 Hinrgman 2012-02-19 18:38:39 B² - i can only spek four the 05, 06, & '07, haven't tasted the '08 or '09 

23586 Johnr 2012-02-19 19:49:47 Nite 2 07 Cockburn s port: golden raisin, plum, dark chocolate. Great wine 95pts. 

23587 BrunelloBob 2012-02-19 19:51:01 @JR: Didn't you knock that one out last night? :lol: 

23588 Johnr 2012-02-19 20:12:24 No port is a few night affair. Snow forecasted for the night no work tomorrow. 

23589 brooks 2012-02-19 21:41:18 Dear Adam of Empire, Sheriff of Albany: 

Re: 2005 Château Haut-Faugeres 

If your are taking requests, let's play this juice on Ship4Free. My guess it will going very quickly; I will take 4 

please. My guess Little John, Friar Vinny, Lady WiM, BrunelloBob-a-Dale and the other nobles may also be 

interested. 

Peace 

Sir Brooks of Sherwood 

23590 Julius 2012-02-19 21:45:32 @BLou - You age vintage port, not because it can't be drunk young, but because in its youth, while delicious, it's 

too simple and the sweetness is too dominant. 

23591 brooks 2012-02-19 21:47:09 Baxter..you're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair......... 




23592 BuffaloLou 2012-02-19 22:04:14 @Julius - Yes, I understand, and concur. I was just sayin' that you can drink it young, too. 

@Brooks - what can you tell us about this 2005 Château Haut-Faugeres? 

23593 BuffaloLou 2012-02-19 22:11:35 Bodegas Los Astrales Astrales Ribera Del Duero 2007 on WTSO for $35 FS/3! 

23595 BrunelloBob 2012-02-19 22:41:03 Julius spreading wisdom and the two-avatar-Brooks spreading frivolity... 

A Good night in the Hills... 

23596 BuffaloLou 2012-02-19 22:43:38 Had an '08 Seven Deadly Zins with dinner tonight. Loved the brambly fruit, highlighted with tobacco and vanilla 

notes. Very nice, esp for the $! 

Moved on to an '07 Chemin des Rouvieres Vacqueyras (former CW offer at $12, IIRC.) Smells like a barnyard on 

the pnp. Initial tasting was pretty much the same. After about15 minutes, the fruit is starting to come out. 

Hope it develops more in the glass. 

Update: within just a few minutes in the glass, this wine is improving immensely. 

23605 vinmoet 2012-02-20 09:58:44 Am up north of KisforKate skiing in Wisconsin so I've been out of touch. 

McMalbec - Lilian Ladoueys is a Chateau that was literally created in the mid 90's by a guy who made the chip 

that goes on credit cards. His wife is named Lilian thus the name. He has spent huge bucks on equipment and 

consults. The result is a wine that overachieves for its terroir. It is built for the short to medium term (drink by 

2020 +/-) and can drink early. Solid QPR type of wine, just not rock star material. 

Wine Magnet - I love Lynch Moussas. 2000 is a great vintage, they made a pretty good but not knock your sox 

off wine for that vintage. I think its in its drinking window now and good for a decade +/-? 

We are about to leave and will be driving south. Am hoping to stop at one of Kate's local haunts, a famous 

Chocolate shop in Madison http://gailambrosius.com/ Today is a holiday so they may not be open. Will call to 

find out shortly. 

Will post up later on my excellent adventure doing the Wisconsin shuffle. Let me say that my attempts exceeded 

my goals... 

No legs broken, man made snow was better than I thought, kids had a great time. All things considered, a 

wonderful skiing weekend. Have great affection for this place. 




23606 McMalbec 2012-02-20 11:03:46 @ Vin-thanks. Getting educated on French wines here, slowly but surely. 

Where in WI are you? Sounds like snow on the way tonight; 1-3 inches expected in ne IA tonight. Enjoy! 

23609 AdamEmpire 2012-02-20 12:59:30 Brooks - I am sorry but the wine is sold out completely from my distributor. I will look into other sources. It was a 

great value and I scooped up as much as I could before it was gone. I'll have some more deals on 2009 Bordeaux 

coming soon. Thanks! 

23612 wine magnet 2012-02-20 14:57:09 @Vinmoet: Thanks for your advice on the Lynch Moussas. What with the '93 Leoville las Cases and perhaps 

some '90 Leoville Barton I have coming, I can probably only get a few bottles. 

23617 K is for Kate 2012-02-20 18:15:45 @vinmoet - Glad to hear there was sufficient snow for skiing to happen! Gail Ambrosius is within walking 

distance of me, which is a very nice perk of my neighbourhood. 

23618 Brooks 2012-02-20 19:05:33 Adam/Eve...np...I saw that you had like 70-80 in stock yday...but then again I am confused more than others...or 

maybe just another website with IT issues. ;) . But thank you for getting back to me...I was looking for 2005....I 

am all set on 2009... Snap 

23619 BuffaloLou 2012-02-20 23:53:12 Enjoying a Wayne Gretzky No. 99 Cab Sauv 2005 tonight. Best $10 bottle I may have ever drank! (OK, it listed a 

lot higher, about $50, but it's being blown out everywhere for bug-$10. 

@cbs: a def QPR rec at $10!! 

23620 BuffaloLou 2012-02-21 00:18:39 That was "sub" not "bug"... 

23622 BuffaloLou 2012-02-21 01:02:23 Couldn't resist the Zin on Woot due to the TNs on CT: Woodenhead Old Vine RRV Zinfandel 2006. 124 year old 

vines. CT notes: https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=494293 CT92. Never tried this Zin, so I can't 

necessarily recommend it, but red the TNs and make your own decision. 

23626 hinrgman 2012-02-21 07:29:06 Kent Rasmussen 2008 Esoterica Petite Sirah - on Woot right now. Woot-Off 




23628 vinmoet 2012-02-21 09:27:11 For the Wisconsin shuffle I chose the non vintage Copperridge Merlot. Having never heard of it, I was attracted 

mostly by its $16 price tag on the wine menu, there was no wine any cheaper. Imagine my delight (and the 

convenience) of its screw top. I was open minded and took a taste. Here are the notes that I found on a 

retailer's website: 

"a polished, fresh wine with lots of inviting raspberry and blackberry in the bouquet. Medium-bodied with 

velvety ripe plum flavored fruit, this wine has a nice hint of vanilla on the finish. Stylish!" $8.99 for a 1.5 liter 

bottle. 

Stylish indeed. My notes differed but only slightly. "undrinkable Kool Aid, a cross between grape and fruit punch 

with a touch too little sugar and a touch too much water. While the label clearly identifies this as Merlot, I really 

can't determine what grape variety, if any, this is" The color paired nicely with the white porcelain toilet. In my 

research, I have found that the brand is, in fact, a Gallo product renamed for restaurants. 

Regardless, thanks to Copperridge we were able to enjoy a Saint Julien, a Pauillac and a Saint Emilion. A great 

time was had. 

Oh, Kate. I called the Chocolate shop and got no answer. They must have been closed Monday. We had a late 

23629 BrunelloBob 2012-02-21 09:49:14 Vinny: GREAT note! :lol: 

. 

"non vintage.... Merlot" 

I love it when they leave the vintage off. 

I don't expect there to be much variation between wintages on a $5 bottle of wine, but at that price level I want 

some assurance that it's "fresh". 

My tasting note from a local bottle someone gave us. This is a "kitchen sink" white, a genre I have no love for: 

N.V. Sharpe Hill Vineyard Ballet of Angels (USA, Connecticut) 5/25/2011 BrunelloBob 82 

Celery, grass, grapefruit/lemon. Reminds me of Sauvignon Blanc more than anything. Minimally sweet. Decent 

weight but almost burns on the palate. Old? 

Neither of us liked this, rare dump of a half bottle. And WTF, Who doesn't put a vintage on a still white wine? 

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23630 BuffaloLou 2012-02-21 11:33:27 IIRC, Copperridge was a label that was originally intended for restaurant sale only. They didn't market it to the 

public so the public didn't know the actual price. (Who doesn't get irritated when they see a $20 bottle selling 

for $60 in the restaurant?) I remember being able to purchase it in PA as the state stores have to sell all the 

wines they carry to anyone, restaurant or public. It was never very good. 

Another #$^@! woot off?! I see this isn't all petite sirah, tho... 

23632 BuffaloLou 2012-02-21 12:03:50 Yesterday, no mail and no banks. Today, office email is down. The powers that be are sure making it difficult to 

do my job! Think I'll make it an early day today. We'll see how the email situation goes... 

23633 vinmoet 2012-02-21 13:24:07 Found another '09 Bordeaux QPR. This is pretty modern in style (big and fleshy) but its a quality wine. Can drink 

earlier but I like the drinking window between 2017 and 2025. 

http://www.premiercru.net/premier/shop/WineDetails.do?wineId=41388 

These '09's provide a lot of wine for the money. RP 91-93 for $27?!! 

23634 luddite 2012-02-21 16:11:48 If you're on JJ Buckley's Preferred Client Price list and are interested in buying today's "Special QPR" 

recommended by @vinny, you're eligible for a lower price (they still have about 6 cases left). I posted this after I 

got mine :D 

23635 luddite 2012-02-21 16:44:46 Happy Fat Tuesday from CH wines: For 24 hours, you can buy a case of Lot 247 (several other lots are also 

marked down) for $120 delivered! 


23637 Jovino 2012-02-21 17:32:05 @BuffaloLou - I just got back from Vieques to find a bounty of shippers awaiting. Thank you so much. This will 

make moving a tiny bit less scary, however when I am done, I will live in TX, so there is only so much you can do 

(no offense AFK). 

23638 David T 2012-02-21 18:26:31 @vm/BLou Indeed, straight from the PLCB site: "4073 ERNEST JULIO GALLO COPPERIDGE IMP. MERLOT 1.500 L 

$9.99" 

@Kate/vm Do they sell Nueske's bacon via retail in the Southern part of WI? I highly recommend it, and if not via 

retail I know they have a mail order division. It's the best bacon I've ever had; whenever I or my immediately 

family go to Wisconsin to visit relatives, I regularly get it five pounds at a time & ration it by keeping it in the 

freezer. 




23639 vinmoet 2012-02-21 18:41:57 David, I'm an Illinois boy and don't know about the bacon in Wisconsin. I just go there to ski and drink 

Copperridge. I'm also remembering Kate as a vegetarian though I could be wrong. Yet, she might know of this 

mysteriously wonderful bacon. 

One of my close friends is Jewish and does not eat pork. However, he explains that bacon is not pork, it is simply 

bacon so that its OK for him to eat it. I wonder if your Nueske's is what caused my friend's stumble? 

23640 jpakma 2012-02-21 19:49:31 VM your discussion of Bordeaux on here and late last year on the WL forums have peaked my interest into 

expanding or shall I say focusing on this region during 2012. I am relatively new to that region and have limited 

experience with it, so I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts or recommendations on various price points, 

styles and drinkability of the various Chateaux's. I know the major differences in the sub-regions, but my limited 

tasting experience leads me to rely on others recommendations. I appreciate the last couple of recs you've 

posted. 

I've been filling a cart at JJ Buckley and Zachy's but have yet to pull the trigger on the wines. I'm a drinker more 

than a collector (resale), so trying to build Bordeaux drinkable now, +5-10 years, +longer to age. If you like feel 

free to email me at joe.allman@gmail.com, unless others are interested in a similar dialogue. 

23642 David T 2012-02-21 21:21:15 @vm I could certainly see bacon in general and especially Nueske's turning anyone from their vegetarian or 

religious restrictions towards true enlightenment. Also, unless fowl and seafood are excluded from Kate's diet or 

something has recently changed, I recall she did quite the damage to the ducks/crustaceans we had in Chicago 

last summer! 

23644 K is for Kate 2012-02-21 22:07:50 @David T - I have definitely seen Nueske's bacon around here, though it was likely on restaurant menus, so I am 

not certain about retail at grocery stores. You are entirely correct that I am a devourer of seafood and 

sometimes fowl (that duck was wonderful), but I was mostly pescetarian until a couple of years ago and still only 

rarely eat mammals. When I was a kid I used to beg my mother not to make me put bacon on my BLTs. 

23647 BuffaloLou 2012-02-22 04:08:37 @jovino - good luck my good man; I hope you have a safe move! When you get to Texas, please take a moment 

to enjoy a great steak! Be well! 

My friends, I arrived home from work today expecting to have dinner and to rush my son/Scout off to his Scout 

meeting. Instead there was a message to call my step-mother immediately. My uncle/godfather/confirmation 

sponsor/best man/godfather of my son (do you get that he is a significant part of my life?) Is in the hospital and 

may not make the next 24 hours. The 22 year battle with cancer has been lost. I type this from Altoona, PA, as I 

pray to the good Lord for a quick, painless, end. As Brooks would say, "hold fast to what is good.". God bless. 




23650 louas 2012-02-22 08:30:48 @BLou: Your family is my thoughts and prayers today. 

23652 mr21cbs 2012-02-22 09:06:24 BuffaloLou, our deepest sympathy. 

23653 luddite 2012-02-22 09:15:35 @BLou: Thoughts and prayers with you and yours... 

23654 jpakma 2012-02-22 09:49:30 BLou sorry to hear about your family's loss. Thoughts and prayers are with you and the family. 

23656 vinmoet 2012-02-22 10:21:52 jpakma: Let's keep the discussion here. People can read or ignore as they like. 

2012 is a great wine buying year because the 2009 Bordeaux will begin hitting the shores, 2009 Burgundy is 

hitting the shores, and 2009 Rhone will be hitting the shores. All three regions had a great year. 

My specialty is Bordeaux although I venture into everything else. '09 will age like '05 but have earlier 

accessibility, somewhat like '03. If you are just getting into this, I want you to spend like there is no tomorrow 

because this is the year. Last decade was blessed with 2000, 2003, 2005 and 2009. In comparison, there was 

1990 and 1995, 1982 and 1989, maybe 1975/1970 and then 1961. 2010 is a smaller vintage that is also more 

comparable to 2005...more tannic and built for long term aging. 2011 is spotty and small. We don't know how 

long we will wait for another vintage like 2009 which has the quantity and quality with pricing being very good 

despite our weak dollar (you can buy block buster wines for less than Cali wines or even South American wines). 

A fair strategy is to buy wines for cellaring and to also buy wines to taste and drink. I pick $40 as a price point to 

spend on wines that will age while below that the wines will be in their prime earlier. This is a generality with 

plenty of exceptions. In that $50 to $100 window you can buy wines that will truly emulate the big premier cru 

boys. Of course, its easy to spend hundreds a bottle. These would be good investment wines but that is 

generally out of everyone's league. 

Left bank wines are generally blended with the majority being Cabernet Sauvignon then Merlot, Petite Verdot 

and possibly Cabernet Franc. Right bank wines are generally the same blend with the emphasis on Merlot. There 

are a handful of wines where they vary from this significantly. 

All wines meant for the medium to long term go into a tank (cement or stainless or glass) to ferment and upon 

turning into wine they go into oak barrels to age, say 18 months. They are then put into bottle, sit for a while, 

and eventually ship out. That is why you generally wait 3 years before getting the bottles. Some wines go into 

new oak. Others go into a blend of new and old oak. Old oak simply means that they used the barrel one or 

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23657 vinmoet 2012-02-22 10:28:18 Blou. God bless. 

23658 David T 2012-02-22 10:32:54 @BLou Stay strong and keep the good memories fresh. You and your family are in my thoughts & prayers. 




23659 louas 2012-02-22 11:34:03 @Vinmoet: Thank you for the time, effort and expertise on today's 

2009 French wine 101. Much appreciated. 

23663 jpakma 2012-02-22 13:30:20 @Vinmoet thanks so much for sharing and appreciate the detail and insights. My only real experience has been 

limited to a Chateau in Fronsac - 2004 La Vieielle. I follow Parker and Robinson, and at times Tanzer. Parker's 

reviews seem to be in-line with what I experience, and I've learned it's always better to pick a wine that's 

received multiple reviews vs. a single review when buying the wine w/o having tasted myself. 

I look forward to tasting wines from the various appellations in Bordeaux. I know most of you would ask me to 

declare "what my palate likes" but I am in the fortunate position of still identifying those wines/regions that 

"move" me. I have such little experience in Bordeaux, I feel like I've got a lot to learn. I purchased a couple of 

bottles of 2006 Chateau Le Gay last year from WTSO and tucked those away so I would not even consider 

opening for several years - I assume those should lay sideways until +2016? 

I definitely plan to buy a few bottles from CellarRaiders and hopefully an auction or two to do some aged 

Bordeaux tasting. As I finished my reply I just received the WineEx mailer 2009 Bordeaux: Prearrivals from 

Spectator's 'Top Values' list. I realize most of you will respond FWS or "ignore WS" so I will take that mailer and 

look for the safety in numbers too. 

Thanks again for the detailed response - although I am not sure my credit card (or wife) will thank you or be as 

23666 BuffaloLou 2012-02-22 14:39:12 Thank you, all, for your thoughts, prayers, and kind words. Your support means so much! 

One good thing, I think, to report: I had a (red) Burg last night. Quite tasty, and none of that Cali PN "iodine" 

taste I dislike. I may have to explore this further... 

@Vinnt - I hope to read your tome when I have more time, and when not on a BlackBerry! 

23667 Jovino 2012-02-22 14:49:10 @BuffaloLou - You have my condolences and best wishes. I am so sorry to hear your news. 

23668 vinmoet 2012-02-22 14:49:17 jp: 2006 tended to be tannic meaning it wants to age. I'd push it more into 2020. Sorry. If you open one early, 

decant the heck out of it say 3 hours or so. Le Gay is a great Chateau. 

23669 K is for Kate 2012-02-22 15:18:06 @BLou, so sorry to hear about your friend. 

As to your one good thing, though, I had a similar experience of thinking I just didn't like Pinot Noir until I tried it 

from Burgundy (and just a fairly basic one at that). 

23672 McMalbec 2012-02-22 19:21:47 @BLou: My codolences. Best wishes to you and your entire family. 




23673 wine magnet 2012-02-22 21:20:51 @vinny: My local source of tons of Bordeaux from a private cellar found some 2000 chateau kirwan which is 

available for $64/btl. Any thoughts/comments? I am unfamiliar with this chateau. 

To all: the same seller as above also has some Patrick Lesec Marquis '05 for $22.99/btl in six packs. I am almost 

through one I got from him a year ago for $26/btl which I thought was a great deal.. I may finish off a bottle I 

opened nearly 3 hours ago. It is singing. I have ordered 2 cases from Mitch, at thewinetobuy.com. 

23674 castello 2012-02-22 23:47:49 @BuffaLou. Sorry about your loss. Better times ahead. 

@Vinmaster aka Vinmoet. Parker Smarker.. We listen to you! Great write up of the 09 Bordows! If you're right, 

I'll be one broke but happy hombre. 

23675 BuffaloLou 2012-02-22 23:52:38 Thank you KifK & McM! It's support from all of you that make a difficult time bearable. 

@KifK - this, too, was a simple, basic, burg. Soooo much better than a Cali PN! We're going to do a tasting in abt 

a month with a CW Burg (IIRC abt $35) with a $60 bottle of Rhys. We'll see how it compares! I will post TNs. 

Tonight I popped a bottle of the Ondarre Reserva Rioja. Much, much, better than the first bottle I popped! I 

have gone from 'why did I buy this?' to 'Why didn't I buy more?' 

23676 BuffaloLou 2012-02-22 23:54:25 Thank you, castelloooo! 

23677 castello 2012-02-23 01:06:44 I hear you BLou. One bottle will taste great and the next bottle meh. Very frustrating. It happens with many 

different wines!? 

23680 NaH 2012-02-23 07:00:14 @WineMagnet RE: 00 Kirwan a great vintage, producer from Margaux, average price is $80 while the lowest W- 

S is $68 

RP 90 WS 92 - Robert Parker 90 Points Still somewhat tannic but very much in the style that Kirwan has favored 

over recent vintages, this is a full-bodied, muscular, powerhouse effort. The wine still has a dense ruby/purple 

color, with loads of blackberries, cassis, and some noticeable new oak still lingering in the background. Powerful, 

rich, and full, this wine needs another 2-3 years of cellaring and should age nicely for another 20 years. Wine 

Spectator 92 Points A very reserved wine at this stage, but still shows attractive plum and berry character, with 

hints of mineral. Full-bodied, with a solid core of fruit and very refined tannins. Lasts a long time on the finish. 

Very, very silky. Best after 2009. 9,580 cases made. -JS 

If the provenance was good then that might be a great buy. 




23681 louas 2012-02-23 07:22:16 What is happening in Tucson this weekend? 

1. Tonite and Saturday PAC-12 Bball vs. USC and UCLA. I have season tickets, won't be going. 

2. Annual Rodeo. Big whoop down here. Schools closed today and tomorrow. (seriously) Not going. 

3. Accenture Match Play Golf Tourney is in town with the 64 top ranked golfers. Have probably been offered a 

dozen tix. not going. 

4. Spring training..for Major League...Soccer. Beckam and the boys play Saturday. Not going. 

Instead, 10AM wheels up for 4 hour voyage to Rocky Point in Mexico for a long weekend on the beach eating 

shrimp, drinking beer and 

and the occasional Tequila. 

I trust you all celebrated National Margarita Day yesterday? 

Have a great weekend all. 

23682 john o' 2012-02-23 07:28:36 Re: the 2000 Kirwan. 

Small world. I exchange bottles with a som I know and he just gave me a 2000 Kirwan Les Charmes. I assume it 

must be their second label. 

23683 vinmoet 2012-02-23 09:18:10 WM: Its a third growth Grand Cru Classe Margaux. I believe that for 2000 the wine consultant was Michel 

Rolland who is credited for bringing it back up in quality. I know that he stopped, say, around 2005 and a protege 

of his, A. Fokorellis (or some name like that) took over. The price seems pretty fair, a good deal, but not a 

screaming deal. This is a wine in that $65 to $85 range. I had this some time ago and remember it as being a bit 

bolder than I would have liked...this is a Margaux and should be elegant not flashy. But time changes wine and it 

is likely more tamed now. The terroir is excellent, located near the biggest boys. A great vintage like 2000 really 

shows itself with age. Parker liked it, scored it 90 points. WS liked it, scored it 92 points. Did not check on NM 

or JR. I think that this is in a drinking window now hitting its sweet spot in a few years and declining in 15+? 

WA 90: "Still somewhat tannic but very much in the style that Kirwan has favored over recent vintages, this is a 

full-bodied, muscular, powerhouse effort. The wine still has a dense ruby/purple color, with loads of blackberries, 

cassis, and some noticeable new oak still lingering in the background. Powerful, rich, and full, this wine needs 

another 2-3 years of cellaring and should age nicely for another 20 years." 




23684 vinmoet 2012-02-23 09:35:37 WM: I scanned the site. Good values, no screaming deals there. The more affordable ones which IMHO are 

interesting include the '86 L'Arrosee which is probably in decline but still excellent. I have several bottles of this 

left and they are still drinking beautifully. So if the storage has been good, $90 for a WA92 Saint Emilion ready to 

drink? I also like the '96 Calon Segur for $109. That is a very tannic vintage so that is still a young wine. I'd give it 

another 5 years. He has a number of rock stars for lots more money. Still good prices, just not screaming deals. 

23685 McMalbec 2012-02-23 11:52:33 @mr21cbs: could you please email me directly? I have a question for you. TIA! 

23686 Julius 2012-02-23 12:01:00 @BLou - Best wishes in these sad times. On an up note, glad you found a "non-iodine" PN. 

23688 mr21cbs 2012-02-23 12:54:29 McMalbec, sent an email to the address that you use here... It will be from tremblinghillswinetasters at gmail dot 

com (check the SPAM catcher in case you didn't get it) 

23689 kommander kaos 2012-02-23 15:07:52 BuffaloLou, my prayers are with you and your family. 

23690 wine magnet 2012-02-23 16:36:45 @Vinny: On thewinetobuy.com site, you will only see some of which Mitch has in stock. He has access to at least 

300 cases of Bordeaux (perhaps many more since the storage facility is tightly packed/stacked with boxes) all of 

which have been kept at 55 degrees since acquisition. That is were the Kiran and the '93 Leoville las Cases 

($75/btl) and '90 Barton ($120) have come from and they are consigned to Mitch by an elderly collector. The 

Patrick Lesec Marquis CdP from his shop to be the lowest in the US on WS Pro at $25,.with wineontheway.com 

(another FL seller) at $29, and Spec's has it for $38.72. Mitch's email offer yesterday was $23/btl, by the six pack. 

The one I almost finished last night was well worth the $26 I paid Mitch in 2/11. Sometimes Mitch sends out 

small batches of emails for limited stock wines he comes upon, and they sell quickly. He thought the Lesec 

Marquis was gone last year, but a distributor found some during inventory, so he snatched up what he could, 

knowing some of his customers liked it. Hence 2 cases will be there for me on Saturday. 

23693 BuffaloLou 2012-02-23 19:46:20 @Kaos & Julius - Thank you both! 

@Julius - I'm excited about the Burg. Hopefully it will be a whole new adventure. 

Back in Buffalo. Funeral on Saturday. Tonight: Relaxing with a glass of red and remembering some good times. 

@all - This: http://www.winemadeeasy.com/ is a large, LWS. Anyone want to make some sub $30 and sub $50 

red burg rec's for me that are available at this store? Much appreciated! 

23695 BuffaloLou 2012-02-23 21:03:11 Paging Cindy Wine. Paging Cindy Wine. Where for art thou fair maiden? 




23696 winex 2012-02-23 21:40:28 @BLou - So sorry for your loss. Open something grand in memory of your uncle who has been so special to you. 

Thoughts & prayers with you & your family. 

Hi to the rest of the inmates,...been lurking but not much time to post. Swimming three days a week, indoor 

cycling 4 days a week & running 3 days a week (I know thats more days then there are in a week but 

somedays are multiple events, like swim at 6am for an hour then bike in the evening for an hour etc). 

Then an occasion glass of vino on the weekends. But I shall celebrate this weekend with my bride at Geneva on 

The Lake with great food & great wine!! 

Then back to training on Monday. 

23697 BuffaloLou 2012-02-23 21:57:03 @winex - Thanks, Steve! I'm considering opening a nice port tomorrow night when the family arrives. He loved 

it! 

23700 BaroloDude 2012-02-24 03:20:40 Off to Napa tomorrow for daytrip... Elyse, Andersons Conn Valley, and Corison on the schedule, hope to 

squeeze in one more somehow. Limo ride thanks to doodledeals... so no designated driver needed! 

Unfortunately a lot of the places i wanted to visit (for first time) were all busy with this Premier Napa event preparties 

and trade lunches etc. Bad timing. Had hoped to visit Staglin, Altamura, Antica... but am glad some 

wineries like Corison, Elyse, ACV are "keeping it real" for us punters. Also grateful they are child friendly. Nothing 

turns me off faster to a potential tasting visit when you see on their site "We cannot allow children under 21"... 

that is BS and you know it! These wineries just have an inflated sense of importance and need to pull the sticks 

out of their a$$e$. 

Last night Del Dotto 05 Chingiale Pinot Noir was awesome. Still some big shoulders on it, but vastly more 

complex and burgundian than the previous 11 bottles i have drank over the last few years. More than just a "cab 

lovers PN" now. yes that means the case is gone now. Sad. 

Tonights Del Dotto Giovannis Tuscan Rserve (Sangio and Cab) 07 was a bit funky at first, but developed into a 

nice drinker. Maybe a bit too much sweet oak in it. 

Ciao for now y'all. Get back in touch with your inner Husker Du. 

23704 vinmoet 2012-02-24 09:08:47 Bdude: Sounds like a great time. Have fun. 

McBaguette anyone? 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204778604577241312286387028.html?mod=WSJ_hps_editors 

Picks_2 




23705 BrunelloBob 2012-02-24 09:25:00 Gotta tell ya 'Dude: I consider a wine tasting to be an "adult experience". I'd prefer it if there were no kids 

running around. I'm sure yours are well behaved, but Plenty aren't. 

It's not that I hate kids, it's just that I think there's a time and a place. Nothing wrong with the rugrats at Disney 

World. 

(That'll be a popular post...) 

23707 mr21cbs 2012-02-24 09:44:51 Le Cercle Rive Droite de Grands Vins de Bordeaux invites you to its New York tasting event Bordeaux Right Bank 

Grand Wine Tasting Featuring the outstanding 2009 vintage 

Thursday March 8, 2012 - 5pm to 7pm 

Consulate General of France 

934 5th avenue (btw. 74th and 75th St), New York, NY 10021 

Join us as 35 of the most prestigious wineries from Bordeaux's Right Bank present an extraordinary selection of 

wines - including the outstanding 2009 vintage. 

Wines will be paired with a selection of wine-friendly hors d'oeuvres and French pastries, including Canelés, 

called the new sweet addiction in Bon Appetit. 

Special discount for Wine Enthusiast readers 

40% OFF 

$72 for one ticket, $120 for two 

Proceeds to benefit God's Love We Deliver, use promo code ENTHUSIAST 

RSVP by Thursday, March 1st at 

http://rightbank-wine-tasting.eventbrite.com/ 

PARTICIPATING WINERIES 

Bordeaux Supérieur 

Balthus 

Grand Vin de Reignac 

Castillon Côtes de Bordeaux 

Château Ampélia 

Château de Laussac 

/ 



23708 NaH 2012-02-24 09:49:01 @MR21CBS and all RE: the Grands Vins de Bordeaux 


Not worth the price of admission, even with the discount. IMO, JIM 

23710 vinmoet 2012-02-24 10:13:20 I would agree that there are no rock star wines, but for $72 to get to taste all the wines, visit the consulate, and 

taste a few things...sounds like a cheap night out in NY. I'd go. 

If we could get more lead time for an event like this (like 6 months) I would consider flying out with Mrs. V for a 

hills get together. I don't know anybody at the consulate there but I've been known to work my magic in places 

more exclusive before to mooch special tours and the like. 

These are not heavy hitter wines on the list, but there are a lot of QPR wines. 

Bordeaux Supérieur - none of these are complex but... 

Balthus - QPR 

Grand Vin de Reignac -QPR 

Castillon Côtes de Bordeaux - ditto 

Château Ampélia - flashy QPR 

Château de Laussac - not familiar with it 

Fronsac - Generally an unheralded area but with some surprises 

Château Dalem - not familiar 

Château Fontenil - not familiar with '09 but can be QPR 

Haut Carles - not familiar 

Château Moulin Haut Laroque - not familiar 

Château La Vieille Cure - a QPR 

Canon Fronsac - another unheralded are with surprises 

Château Gaby - not familiar 

l h ill f h i h b k l d d i ili i h f 

23711 BuffaloLou 2012-02-24 10:13:59 @BB & BD - Difficult subject. I'm sure some wineries have had to opt to not accept minors due to 

misbehaved children. It's probably easier to not allow them than to go to a parent, especially one that has been 

imbibing, and ask them to control their children. It would greatly disappoint my wife and I as we bring our son 

along many places, and he is extremely well behaved, but from experience, we have seen many in wineries that 

were not. 




23713 vinmoet 2012-02-24 11:04:38 Hey, my talking about future vintages for that tasting reminded me of something I read in the most recent issue 

of WS. The main article talked about 2009 and compared it to the smaller and more tannic 2010. It then went 

on to say that they were going over next month to do barrel tastings and would then talk about 2011. To tout 

my own horn, I would like to point out that the Hills already heard about the 2011 wines in November of 2011. 

You guys know, ahead of old Molesworth, that 2011 will be spotty at best. I'd also like to point out that I coined 

labeling 2009 a cross between 2003 and 2005 back in November of 2009 while that comparison has only come 

out in the past 6 months. Also remember that I compared 2010 to a more limited quantity version of 2005 and 

2000 back in November of 2010 whenever they start to talk about it. I recall that my official coinage of 2011 was 

spotty and inconsistent (remember we reserve "classic" for really bad years like 2002, 2004 and 2007). Its not so 

bad at the Hills, is it? 

23714 mr21cbs 2012-02-24 11:04:42 NaH, I wasn't going as it coincides with my kids' junior olympics, but thought that somebody in the NY area could 

be interested. After reading your and vinmoet's posts it may be questionable at all. 

~ 

Vinmoet, with some advanced planning, I would love to attend a wine tasting with you, Monsieur. 

23715 vinmoet 2012-02-24 12:02:26 I think Cindy/WL needs to hire CBS as their IT person. They have been down for some time. 

23716 mr21cbs 2012-02-24 12:12:11 Vinmoet, thanks for your vote of confidence. They have been blaming their internet service provider for the 

instability, but in 2012 finding a stable server farm, adequate bandwidth, and decent customer support is a nobrainer, 

especially for a $50+M company. I just don't get it, but what do I know. 

23717 BrunelloBob 2012-02-24 12:23:08 Vinmoet shall henceforth be known as "The French Demigod." 

Mr21cbs shall henceforth be known as "The I.T. Demigod" 

Quite the pantheon we got going here.... :lol: 

23718 BrunelloBob 2012-02-24 12:32:46 Maybe Cindy's dead. 

Wasn't The V-Chuck Demigod spreading gifts and free shipping codes last time something died? 

23719 mr21cbs 2012-02-24 12:49:22 From @WineLibrary on twitter in reply to my "time to find a new ISP message": this outage is affecting a lot of 

people on the East Coast. Bummer. 

23720 john o' 2012-02-24 13:33:34 @BuffLou - sorry for your loss. 

23721 john o' 2012-02-24 13:34:42 2008 Flora Springs Trilogy, $30 each JJB private client deal. 

23723 Waiting in Manassas 2012-02-24 18:25:22 @BLou: Sorry for your loss. 



23727 A Frayed Knot 2012-02-25 09:30:34 @Blou ~ Very sorry to hear of your loss........Hope all is well. 


@sqɔ12ɹɯ ~ Server Farms?........tried planting a row of memory chips in my garden, but I forgot where I planted 

them! 

Night shift...again.......Disclosure......Shiner Bohemian Black Lager........Breakfast of Champions! 

23729 BuffaloLou 2012-02-25 14:38:17 @John O, Wim, and AFK - Thank you very much! 

I just want to thank everyone, again, for all for your kind words and support. This is a great place filled with 

wonderful people. 

We didn't pop the port last night, instead we broke into the Louis XIII. Mighty fine! Now, let's all drink some 

wine! 

There goes that crazy Texan again, writing up-side-down. 

Did anyone ever notice that there is a very, very, tiny smile face in the bottom left corner of the page? (black on 

the gray) 

23733 John O' 2012-02-25 18:53:58 Wine Library free ship until midnight tonight on 12 or more. 

Code: FREEFEB 

23734 McMalbec 2012-02-25 19:08:14 Chateau Tour de Lagarde 2009 Bordeaux deal up on WTSO. Thoughts? 

23735 vinmoet 2012-02-25 19:57:13 McMalbec: Don't know anything about it. Know for sure that you can spend a bit more and get much better 

QPR, and suspect you can spend less and do better too. I'd hold off. 

23736 McMalbec 2012-02-25 20:07:38 @vinmoet: Grand merci! 

23745 vinmoet 2012-02-26 13:17:43 Tap Tap Tap. Anyone out there? Its mighty quiet in them thar hills... 

23746 KenI 2012-02-26 15:07:22 04 GEM Toro on WTSO for $40 FS on 3 bottles. I remember this being a hit from the old cindy days. 

23747 Hinrgman 2012-02-26 15:17:33 I'm having a hard time not going in on3. 

23749 BrunelloBob 2012-02-26 16:23:29 TonyO doesn't post here anymore because it's Spring Training.... 

And he's Afraid.... 

He's Very Afraid.... 





2006 Robert Mueller 

Zinfandel Old Vine - USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley (2/26/2012) 

C: Dark Ruby 

N: tobacco, sour cherry, anise 

P: Just like the nose, tobacco, sour cherry, anise, plus burnt toast, blackberry 

F: just shy of 60 seconds 

Not a heavyweight wine, nor is it thin, but it fills the mouth with flavor none-the-less. Enjoyable with food or 

without. (89 points) 


23751 BuffaloLou 2012-02-26 20:03:00 I can't speak for the wine, but TSO has Amicus (By X-Winery) Truchard Vineyard Carneros, Napa Valley Syrah 

Reserve 2009 for $15. I've had Syrah's made by Truchard from their Carneros Vineyard, and they're excellent. 

Again, I can't speak for the wine. 

23754 BuffaloLou 2012-02-26 20:59:17 Takis Fuego Hot Chili Pepper & Lime Flavored Rolled Corn Tortilla Minis - WOW! Tried these at my Aunt and 

Uncle's earlier this week. Amazing snack food. I love hot & spicy, and this are a$$ kickin' good! Lime is very 

prevalent. Wish they were available locally; Thank goodness for the Internet! 

23755 mr21cbs 2012-02-26 21:35:07 Vinmoet, it was a bit lonely around here. But we are back now. Another swim meet with the boys this morning. 

4am wake up, breakfast, and driving for 1.5 hours for a 6:45am warm up. The organizers have no compassion for 

the parents, but the facility was great, and my boys qualified in one more event each (Greg in 100Back and Jacob 

in 400IM), so all is good. 

Watching the Oscars, upgrading my wife's cell phone and finishing a bottle of 2009 Bell Canyon Cellars Estate 

that I picked up at WTSO during their Cheapskate Wednesday. Very nice and drinks better than expected. 

23756 BrunelloBob 2012-02-26 21:53:39 CBS: I dropped 88 points on the Bell Canyon almost a year ago. Agree, better than expected: 

3/25/2011 rated 88 points: Better through the aeroator 

Nice dark color, good nose. 

Tannin a little out of balance, but there's some nice subtle fruit here. Smooth. Fair QPR 

BTW: Who in their right mind grows syrah on Howell Mountain...? ....? (5194 views) 

23757 Julius 2012-02-27 09:46:39 @KenI - That was the '05 on Cindy. 

23758 Hinrgman 2012-02-27 11:13:42 @Julius - how does the '04 compare to the '05 GEM? 

23759 hinrgman 2012-02-27 11:17:00 @Julius - how does the '04 compare to the '05 GEM? 




23760 BrunelloBob 2012-02-27 13:36:32 My Bell Canyon was a 2007: Syrah, Cab Sauv, and Merlot. 

Different wine than the QPR of the day, but suggests some consistency with the producer. 

23761 luddite 2012-02-27 14:43:28 Our thoughts and prayers go out to the students and their families affected by the shootings in Chardon, Ohio 

this morning. Believe our own @David T lives out that way... 

23766 john o' 2012-02-27 15:48:02 @BuffLou 

I see it's dated Friday. That sounds like the free ship on a case code that they did on saturday, from like noon to 

midnight. 

I got an e-mail on it and picked up a case of value whites for the upcoming warm weather. 

23767 SCKen 2012-02-27 15:54:06 BLou - I'm surprised it has taken so long for someone to post that link on here. I haven't been visiting any of the 

forums lately, so I would have missed it altogether if not for WIM. If there are any "locals" on here, I'd be curious 

to know what your offer was. It was good timing on GV's part, because frankly I have not oredered much from 

WL or Cindy recently. TSO has been getting much more of my business. This offer will certainly drive me back to 

WL a little more often. 

23768 john o' 2012-02-27 16:04:55 having read al the posts in the forum it sounds like something different. 

23769 BuffaloLou 2012-02-27 16:15:26 @SCKen - I've been tied up all weekend and just saw it myself. 

23771 Ben 2012-02-27 16:42:08 @BuffaloLou apparently "please don't pass this link on" is to tough for you to understand? 

23772 David T 2012-02-27 16:52:17 @luddite Yes, Chardon is a mere 15 miles due south of me. A tragedy for sure. 

23773 BuffaloLou 2012-02-27 18:19:49 @David T - One never expects these terrible events to occur near home. Thankfully this didn't affect anyone in 

your family. Prayers for those who were affected. 

That said, I thought I read that this boy that allegedly did the shooting is a victim of bullying. If so, this makes the 

situation even worse as it could have been prevented. 

23774 luddite 2012-02-27 18:28:47 @BD: Did you received this one?: 

http://www.livingsocial.com/gourmet/271858-six-course-menu-with-wine-pairings?msdc_id=15-san-francisco 

23776 John O' 2012-02-27 19:51:25 For the record: I cannot stand incivility. 

23780 mr21cbs 2012-02-28 09:34:28 In the future, please refrain from posting links to the public pages if so demanded by the vendors. In my opinion, 

if they truly wanted to keep it a secret, they would NOT post in a public forum to begin with. However, if they 

elected to use the facade of secrecy, so be it. We have plenty of means to privately communicate with each 

other and avoid unnecessary conflicts. I will reach out to Winelibrary to apologize for my omission as the 

moderator. Cheers! 




23782 Julius 2012-02-28 10:35:00 @hinrgman - Didn't taste the '04, but the critics seem to indicate that it didn't quite measure up to the '05 

(except for WS, which showed the biggest spread, 84 vs 95). My TN on the '05, as seen on the original Cindy 

page: "Had it with dinner in Barcelona this past week. Beautiful aromas of black fruit, anise, toast and lavender. 

On the palate, it's like biting into a blackberry/blueberry pie. Rich, mouth-coating black fruit with a touch of 

cinnamon, nutmeg, anise, and mocha. Tannins are ripe and the finish is long. A great wine now and has what it 

takes to go another decade (maybe more)." 

23783 johnr 2012-02-28 10:55:29 wait........Who is the poster @ben....I don't recall him as a previous poster here? There is an 8 page thread on the 

forums, clearly its not a secret as several posters have posted what the "deal" was. 

23784 Ben 2012-02-28 11:05:42 @mr21cbs It has nothing to do with secrecy. It is respecting a rather simple request, "please don't pass this link 

on". I don't see why you think you or another poster on this thread get to decide whether or not that request is 

a "facade" or not. 

23785 mr21cbs 2012-02-28 11:06:07 johnr, who the poster was is no longer important. I did not feel it was a secret as even Julius stated on page 4: 

What I don't quite understand is Gary asking to keep a lid on it, yet posting it in a forum that has no privacy. 

You don't need to be a forum "member" to see it. In the past, forum deals were posted in a forum that could 

only be seen by someone that was logged on. 

Moreover, many inmates are still WineLibrary forum members and would qualify for the offer anyway, so the 

post was nothing but to draw the attention to one of hundreds threads on the WL forum. However, some took 

offense to the posted link, felt it was against GV's request, so I removed it and posted an apology on the page 8 

of the forum. Case is closed, unless it is a case of something very tasty! 

23786 johnr 2012-02-28 11:12:11 @Cbs....This is the mickey mouse BS that continues to draw division and not unity. We all spend money with WL 

and many of us check out to Forums, albeit to see what the Forumites are writing about us. You don't think that 

the Forumites got in on our free shipping code last year? Did WL formally complain? If they didn't its fair game. 

Please don't become like the Ebob board. 

' 

'@Ben...I don't recall you ever posting here? 

23787 johnr 2012-02-28 11:16:36 @MRCBS.....and now I am madder when you see how the "poster" was. He is a notorious and brings nothing to 

either forum besides trouble. 

23789 mr21cbs 2012-02-28 11:27:46 johnr, I agree with you about the Mickey Mouse BS, meant no disrespect to Ben, who is very welcome to the 

Hills, and will not comment on value, quality, and frequency of posts by the forum members. We all share the 

love of wine, different perspectives, and/or bring entertainment to the subjects. I am a firm believer that we all 

can get along. There is too much $#!^ going on in the world and this place should remain an asylum as originally 

intended. I am a forum member here, on WL, Berserkers, etc. and suggesting that we should respect each other, 

exercise restrain (not applies to drinking) and humility. 




23790 BuffaloLou 2012-02-28 11:34:24 I only meant to, as CBS stated, bring attention to the link as I know not everyone here visits the forums regularly, 

but I know you do visit them. I truly didn't intend for "it" to hit the fan. 

Edit: had to remove that last word. I wasn't thinking clearly and (temporarily) violated a rule... 

23791 johnr 2012-02-28 11:50:01 @Bufflou...I wasn't refering to you. I was refering to the creator of the faux rage. He is notorious for creating 

problems here and aboard. 

23793 Phredd 2012-02-28 12:26:57 2009 Lillian Ladouys - Any of you Bordeaux-heads care to comment? Seems like it is getting really good press for 

a Right bank that retails right around $20. Anyone have any thoughts? 

23794 BuffaloLou 2012-02-28 12:27:47 Thx JR. 

To get back on topic: I popped one of these last night: https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=247119 

I liked it. The Mrs. loved it! Better deals to be had for the fare ($31 on CW) but not complaining as it was tasty. 

Very viscous, but not to the point of being 'jammy'. Beautiful floral-y nose. Next time I will decant longer. 

23795 vinmoet 2012-02-28 13:15:53 Phredd: I know that in the past I posted both here and at Cindy about the 2009 Lillian Ladouys. I'm too lazy to 

find a link. 

This is a Chateau that was created by a guy that made his money off of a chip on credit cards. He named the 

place after his wife and put serious bucks into upgrading the equipment and consultants. As a result, I believe 

that they make a wine that has risen above its terroir. Here is a video link of it in the early days (the mid 90's): 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s5lmB3ABKw 

This is generally an accessible early drinking wine meant for the short to medium haul. Its a value oriented wine 

that garners good to great WS scores. At its price point it offers a very presentable correct modern 

interpretation of Bordeaux. In a great vintage like '09 it presents a great value. 

I have no plans to buy any but I think it is worth a try. Sample it, if you like it buy more. There should be no 

shortage of it. 

23796 Phredd 2012-02-28 14:02:10 Thanks, vinmoet. Maybe I'll give it a whirl. I have very little Bordeaux in my house, and what I do have isn't 

ready. This seems like a good way to bridge the gap. I appreciate your insight, as always. 




23799 WaitinginManassas 2012-02-28 14:35:18 @vinmoet I'm going to a Bordeaux tasting in a few weeks and would like your thoughts/opinions on what's being 

tried: 

Chateau Le Prieure St. Laurent Bordeaux Rouge 2010 

Chateau Michel de Vert Lussac St Emilion 2010 

Chateau Hermitage Mazeyres Pomerol 2009 

Chateau Monbousquet St. Emilion Grand Cru 2008 

Chateau La Cardonne Medoc Cru Bourgeois 2005 

Chateau Prieure Lichine Margaux 2006 (4th Growth) 

Chateau Leoville-Poyferre St. Julien 2006 (2nd Growth) 

TIA! 

23800 Jovino 2012-02-28 14:46:47 Getting ready to load 50 cases of wine on a moving truck. Does anyone know if wine likes to travel standing up 

or on its side (I know it doesn't like to travel, but it must). 

23801 BuffaloLou 2012-02-28 15:27:14 @Jovino - AFA the wine is concerned, I don't think it matters. What would matter is the bottle, i.e., for breakage. 

I believe there is more strength in the design to be transported with the bottom, down. 

BTW, good luck with the move! 

23802 BrunelloBob 2012-02-28 15:43:36 Well handled @mr21cbs, 

Thanks again for your good work. 

23803 BrunelloBob 2012-02-28 15:47:47 "faux rage" :lol: 

useful diagnosis... 

23804 vinmoet 2012-02-28 19:13:32 Phredd: I think you're safe. The appellation is Sainte Estephe which is kind of a spotty area. There is nice 

gravelly soil towards Pauillac but there are lots of pockets of clay through out which results in poor drainage. '09 

is such a brilliant vintage that it overcomes most of these defects. 

Keep a watch here, though. I've mentioned before that there are plenty of great QPR wines hitting the shores 

now. Many under $20. They will not be long term keepers but be wonderful for that 5 to 15 year term. Just 

don't expect complexity. 

Blou: Am mystified as to the cold shoulder elsewhere. Its all good here though, so keep your chin up and ignore 

the bad stuff. 

cbs: Class act. Nicely played my friend. 



23805 vinmoet 2012-02-28 19:32:21 I was mulling over what sub $20 '09 Bordeaux to watch for. 


These all fall into that same drink young to medium term not particularly complex but great QPR category. 

D'Aiguilhe Quere, Arnauton, Baleau (this is probably more in that sub $25 range), Dalem, Lanesson, Petrus Gaia 

(no connection to Petrus), Saint Paul, Senjac (I still have a 1945 of this but the Chateau is under modern hands 

now), Siaurac and Villars. 

In this price range, all these guys should not disappoint. I like to say that they will correctly represent a modern 

interpretation of Bordeaux with a great QPR but not a lot of complexity. I suspect we will be seeing these on the 

various sites over the next half a year or so. 

23807 RitchP 2012-02-28 20:32:30 I prefer the term "poutrage" myself. 

Monsieur Vinmoet, do you have any '09 Bordeaux recommendations that are complex, meant to age, and yet 

good QPR? I am suffering from a SIWBM at the moment due to lack of storage space, but in a few months I 

should be able to open up enough room for a case or two. 




23808 vinmoet 2012-02-28 21:04:05 RitchP: I posted these over at Cindy. Its a bit sloppy, I just cut and pasted. These are wines that are not 

necessarily my favorites, but QPR that are actually available for purchase at good prices right now: 

Sub $100 

Appellation: Chateau: 

Pomerol: Gazin & La Feur de Gay 

St. Julien: LaGrange, Brainaire-Ducru, Saint Pierre 

Saint Emilion: La Gomerie, Canon-La-Gaffeliere, 

Pauillac: Clerc Milon, Grand-Puy-Lacoste, 

Margaux: Giscours & Rauzan Segla (although, RS looks like its higher now) 

Sauternes: Guiraud & Suduiraut (sweet, white desert wines that last for a century+) 

Graves: Smith Haut Lafitte 

Sub $50 

Saint Emilion: Grand Mayne, Monbousquet, Grand Corbin Despagne 

Haut Medoc: Cantemerle 

St. Estephe: Meyney 

Pomerol: Rouget 

Cape de Faugeres WA90-02 for about $15 modest life, not for the long haul 

D'Aiguilhe WA 90-92 about $25 not for the long haul 

' hi ki b $ ( hi i i i b i h li ' id d f h 

23810 TonyO 2012-02-28 21:46:47 @BrunelloBob: there is only one "MItt" that I am concerned with right now.............soon enough, our talks will 

turn to America's Past Time perhaps over a beer (something not being served in a certain team's 

clubhouse.............) stay thirsty my friends 




23811 BuffaloLou 2012-02-28 22:07:41 @Vinny - re: "I’ve mentioned before that there are plenty of great QPR wines hitting the shores now." I am 

looking forward to your rec's on some French QPRs. I openly admit my exposure to French wines is severely, and 

sorely, lacking. Years ago I was a member of Wine Exchange's (www.winex.com) monthly "Club Red". Every now 

and then they'd have a red from France (usually Bdx or Rhone) that was an excellent buy. I dropped the club 

several years ago, so I'm looking forward to replacing some of those bottles that have long since been enjoyed 

(but whose names escape me.) 

While a bottle of '04 Ondarre Reserva Rioja decants, I'm presently enjoying a Southern Tier Brewing's 2X Stout 

(http://southerntierbrewing.com/beers.html). A tasty stout with some sweetness on top of all that chocolatey 

goodness. 

BTW, the last bottle of the Ondarre Reserva was much, much, better than the first. I hope this one is just as good 

as the second. 

23812 vinmoet 2012-02-28 22:18:14 Blou: I love the Ondarre Reserva. We've probably opened 3 or 4 to date. I'm glad I bought a case. Very 

accessible, just the right amount of age, and an amazing QPR. 

I emailed cbs a Bordeaux QPR that you won't be disappointed with. What I am hoping for is that these discount 

sites will lock in on these crazy high scores and figure that they can move a lot of volume based on the scores so 

that they will mark them down. There are a lot of wines in that category so I am hopeful we will have months of 

QPR Bordeaux. 

23813 BuffaloLou 2012-02-28 22:49:40 @Vinny - Excellent! 

I've lost track of how many "Leap Year" sales that have come across my inbox... 

The Ondarre is rockin' tonight! :clap: 




23816 BaroloDude 2012-02-29 02:31:57 @ luddite... i did not see that LS meal and pairing deal. Likely the better half would hate all the seafood 

portions anyway. Too bad. 

@vinnymoe... what say you re Langoa barton in the sub 100 St Julien group? I like em a lot. But I ain't no 

vinnymo... 

And i think i still have a bottle of 1996 Chateau Fauxrage Bordeaux Inferiore somewhere.... 

From last FRI Napa trip... to be very brief... Elyse making great wine still... the 08 Hayne PS is OUTSTANDING. 

Andersons Conn Valley was brilliant and nicely out of the way... the Right Bank 08 was unique to my taste buds, 

finishing with a likeable semi sour cranberry like thing going on that was really nice actually. And the Eloge (left 

bank blend) was great. If i remember Artisan Wine Depot has a nice combo pack on these for about 25 less 

than what the winery is charging. Then there was Corison, which frankly disappointed me. I loved their 01, 

05 instantly on my last visit, and their dry gewurz... but this time none of it rang happy notes to me. The 07 

Kronos was more like a true Bord this time in that i couldn't taste through all the youngness to tell whether I 

would like it or not eventually. I hope to try it again later. Now, the bottle of 96 Kronos they opened for a good 

customer (that i just happened to steal a sample of) was brilliant. 

And a last suggestion, a winemaking "commune" of sorts, Silenus, was a fun place to start the day, use the picnic 

tables, play a little bocce ball, and taste some good wine. i liked the Due Vigne label and their California grown 

23818 john o' 2012-02-29 07:49:35 @BuffLou 

Thx for all your tips recently. WL still has the mayor reserva for $20. Great wine with some age on it. No brainer, 

picked up 8 more for the cellar. 

23819 john o' 2012-02-29 07:55:38 WTSO has a 2008 Wine Spectator 94 point Super Tuscan for $20. Another no brainer, but you better hurry b4 

people wake up. 

23820 mr21cbs 2012-02-29 08:37:14 Vinmoet, wanted to bring to your attention that WiM posted a question for you on page 1306. Her post got stuck in the SPAM catcher but has been cleared. If you have the time to 

address it, I am sure she will appreciate it. Thanks! 



23821 vinmoet 2012-02-29 10:04:07 WinM: 


cbs game me my marching orders. I'll do a drive-by review so when I'm wrong, my feelings won't be hurt when 

you call me out. I'm thick skinned. 

Chateau Le Prieure St. Laurent Bordeaux Rouge 2010 - Have not had this but can make an educated guess. This is 

inexpensive vin ordinaire. The reason that you can even drink a 2010 right now is because this is a table wine 

meant to drink now. I'd pair this with rustic food. This really is French truck stop wine (which is a compliment). 

No really, it is. 

Chateau Michel de Vert Lussac St Emilion 2010 - This is not St. Emilion. This is Lussac-Saint Emilion. In roughly 

the same area but not in the same league. Another vin ordinaire. Exact same notes as above. 

Chateau Hermitage Mazeyres Pomerol 2009 - This is a family owned Chateau in Pomerol. My favorite 

appellation, one of my favorite vintages. I think that I remember where this is but I have not tasted it. Its 100% 

merlot. Essentially this is an inexpensive unknown Pomerol from a great vintage. Could be OK. Have low 

expectations and you may be surprised. This could possibly suffer from some funk which, if it does, should burn 

off with decanting. The '09's are tannic but very fruit driven so you may be able to drink out of the bottle but I'd 

decant at least an hour. 

Chateau Monbousquet St. Emilion Grand Cru 2008. A baby. I have just been drinking their '95 in the past couple 

of years. You should be drinking this in 2020. So, decant for a couple of hours. I like right bank 2008 and it was a 

good vintage for Saint Emilion. This is a flashy modern interpretation of Saint Emillion and they were in the midst 

of going biodynamic in this vintage. The bulk of Saint Emilion is up high on a plateau with Pomerol. There is a 

lower part that is close to Castillion. Monbousquet is a beautiful Chateau in that lower part and it routinely 

exceeds its terroir. Parker gives it 92 points and says: 

23822 BrunelloBob 2012-02-29 10:09:41 T.O.: No need to worry about "Mitt". The yankees are gonna Lose no matter who's in the White House... 

And the Red Sox banned beer, not whiskey ;) 



23823 vinmoet 2012-02-29 10:18:19 Bdude: Sounds like the Langua might be surfin' wine: 

Parker scored it 90-92 and said 


"I found the 2009 Langoa Barton to be so painfully extracted, excruciatingly tannic, powerful, and backward that I 

wrote it “should be forgotten for 15 years, and may have some charm in 30-40.” There is no doubting its level of 

concentration and massiveness, but, wow, proprietor Anthony Barton has sure pushed the extraction, producing 

a wine for our children’s children. (Tasted once.)" 

I'm worried about the 'tasted once' note. These wines change so much that I am happier with 'tasted three 

times.' I have not had this yet. My guess is that Parker is mostly right. I am sure that if you score a deal on it, 

you'll be happy. If you are just paying prevailing prices, then I think the other wines I listed are likely to be better 

QPR. 

23824 BuffaloLou 2012-02-29 10:54:43 @BDude - Which '08 Hayne did you enjoy, the Turley or the Elyse? 

23825 WaitinginManassas 2012-02-29 14:01:14 @mr21cbs thank you for getting my post out of purgatory... don't know why it thought it was spam, had been 

trying to post that for a few days! 

@Vinny- You are Da Man! I knew I could count on you, and your expertise in Bordeaux is what made me decide 

to sign up for the event in the first place! I'm really looking forward to this now, and forwarded your notes to my 

friend who is going with me. I'll be sure to report back after Mar 21! 

23826 mr21cbs 2012-02-29 14:30:24 WiM, you are welcome. I found a few copies tucked in the crapper. I usually don't read that stuff often, but end 

of the month clean up protocol prompted me to do so. Glad it wasn't too late. Learning something from 

Monsieur Vinmoet is always a treat. 

23827 WaitinginManassas 2012-02-29 15:16:10 I wasn't sure what happened, as the posts vanished into thin air as soon as I hit "submit comment". I wonder if it 

had something to do with what I was trying to copy and paste. 

23828 WaitinginManassas 2012-02-29 15:17:42 I've got to say, the CW TBTC sale is killing me. I don't need anything, but I've been sitting and playing with putting 

items in and taking them out of my cart all afternoon... What to do, what to do... 

23829 BuffaloLou 2012-02-29 15:43:02 The TBTC is nice as it allowed me to pick up a bottle or two here and there vs having to buy the min on each. A 

case adds up quickly! 




23831 BaroloDude 2012-02-29 16:21:15 @ vinnymo... thanks. Interesting in that usually the Langoa isn't that powerful and extracted and tannic, very 

very long lived and don't touch for a long time... usually Barton leaves that style for the Leoville Barton... and the 

Langoa is made for earlier drinking, softer style etc. Will stay away from it this time and keep drinking the older 

vintages i have. 

@ Bufflou.... the Elyse! I won't give a stuck up place like Turley my money. Of course i accept gifts though.... ;-) 

23832 vinmoet 2012-02-29 17:15:14 Bdude: I don't know whether you should stay away from it or not. He only tasted it once. My gut tells me that 

there are some other wines that are probably better/safer QPRs. All I'm sayin' is that I wouldn't necessarily write 

it off, just be wary. 

23833 BuffaloLou 2012-02-29 17:54:51 @BDude - I just looked up the Elyse. Day-um! I didn't realize how pricy that juice is! Did you get a good deal 

somewhere? 

23835 vinmoet 2012-02-29 22:17:49 As a courtesy to the inmates, Mrs. V and I retried the QPR. Just as I remembered. Very, very serviceable quality 

Bordeaux for relatively little money. The only knock is that its pretty modern. But, for a hot vintage, the ABV is 

OK at 14%. High by my standards, but normal anymore for a hot vintage and practically beer level by CA 

standards. 

23836 BuffaloLou 2012-02-29 23:40:32 Mrs. BLou has informed me that Davy Jones, former member of "The Monkeys" died today at age 66. Brings 

back a lot of childhood memories. RIP. 

23840 mr21cbs 2012-03-01 09:15:08 

2009 Kermit Lynch 

Selections Côtes du Rhône Cypress - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Côtes du Rhône (3/1/2012) 

Color dark ruby, with purple edge. On initial pour very funky but then dark fruit, spices, vegetables take over. 

Being very young, it is pretty tannic, which I happen to like. Over time the wines gets better, presenting 

complexity of red fruit, pepper, celery. Good food wine. Nice effort for the price. (87 points) 


23843 jpakma 2012-03-01 12:14:18 Been away for a time but lurking in the background continuing my Monsieur Vinmoet Bordeaux education.... love 

reading those posts. @WiM I wish I was in your neck of the woods because I've been wanting to do a Bordeaux 

tasting primarily due to my inexperience in the region. All work and no play is making Joe a "dull boy." Add on 

top of that a diet that has severely limited my wine consumption in Feb and this guy is in a bad mood. Haven't 

had a glass of wine in over 2 weeks - yikes!! On the + side, I've been a good boy avoiding most of the Leap Year 

sales. 

23844 BrunelloBob 2012-03-01 12:58:37 I went two weeks without wine once. 

Thank goodness for gin... 




23845 mr21cbs 2012-03-01 14:05:50 Interesting case offer at LBW, $168 with 1 case free shipping: 

3 of N.V. Campos de Estrellas Cava Brut ($15 Retail) 

3 of 2007 Moon Mountain Cabernet Sauvignon Spring Creek Mayacamas Mountains ($85 Retail) 

3 of 2007 Auvigne Pouilly Fuisse Solutre ($35 Retail) 

3 of 2007 Vindemio Cote de Ventoux Imagine ($20 Retail) 

23847 mr21cbs 2012-03-01 22:14:59 Hmm, where is everybody? Are you drinking, buying or reading about anything tonight? 

23848 BuffaloLou 2012-03-01 22:30:28 To answer cbs's question, I'm drinking. Stopped by the LWS and saw a couple of very inexpensive petite sirahs. 

Had to pick them up to try. Tonight: Vicious 2008 PS. This is dirt cheap. $7.99. It's fruit. All fruit and nothing 

but the fruit. Can't imagine it saw any oak for the price, and it doesn't taste like it either. But hey, what do you 

expect for eight bucks? I won't be re-buying. 

23849 mr21cbs 2012-03-01 22:38:25 Thanks, Lou. I spent my evening by the pool watching my kids practice, finishing my yesterday's bottle of 2009 

Kermit Lynch Selections Côtes du Rhône Cypress, which drinks much better than yesterday. I am not allowed to 

the LWS anymore as I have way too much wine. Tomorrow evening we are going to dinner at Panini's Old City, 

where we had a Philly mini-off line dinner last year. Will be bringing a few Italian bottles... Good night all! 

23850 mr21cbs 2012-03-01 22:44:17 Wine Magnet, if you are lurking, I need advice! I want to get ready for a triathlon this summer, starting in June to 

be exact. Is it reasonable or totally crazy to be ready for a 1/4-1/2 mile swim? I can do bike and run, but swim is 

scarring me to death. Even if it's not too competitive, what should my regimen be? I can swim 2-3 times a week. 

Thanks in advance. 

23851 BuffaloLou 2012-03-01 22:58:19 @cbs - I can only assume an indoor pool, so do you have one at home or are you fortunate enough to enjoy an 

adult beverage where they swim? 

23853 BuffaloLou 2012-03-01 23:04:20 @BDude - I found an '06 Elyse PS (Rutherford) at my LWS today. Not the Hayne vineyard, but beggars can't be 

choosers. I see our esteemed BB had tried this bottling back in Nov '11. When I get a quite night I'll pop it and 

report back. 

23854 David T 2012-03-01 23:13:40 @cbs Drinking and reading. Popped an 06 Stefania Syrah Eaglepoint Ranch just to confirm that I want to pass on 

their most recent mailer. As much as I love the winery on paper, for my palate I've found there to be better for 

the price, though I know many, many will disagree. Also always reading... here, the WLTV forum, Berserkers, 

Twitter, the book of Face, articles linked to on all of the above... each night I have a stack of various 

books/magazines I swear I'm going to get to and never do just because there's so damn much interesting stuff 

online! 

23856 BuffaloLou 2012-03-01 23:59:08 @vinny - do you have stock in paper bag manufacturers? (cross-forum reference) Seriously, that's why they 

make splits... ;) 




23860 luddite 2012-03-02 07:26:59 Happy Birthday to our very own Nanook of the North :lol: Celebrate this major milestone in style with family and 

friends! 

23861 hinrgman 2012-03-02 07:39:24 Looks like a great buy on WTSO - Tenuta Sette Ponti Crognolo Toscana IGT Super Tuscan Rosso 2009 $22.99 FS4 

23862 wine magnet 2012-03-02 07:40:30 @mr21cbs: If you bike and run the distances in the triathlon (at a hard enough clip to be winded), you probably 

have the aerobic conditioning to tackle swimming. I don't know what scares you about swimming, where you 

swim, if a coach is available, etc., but I would recommend buying or checking out of the library, The Science of 

Swimming by James Councilman, PhD, "the father of competitive swimming", or the New Science of Swimming 

by Councilman and his son, Brian. If nothing else, you can learn how to be more efficient in the water and where 

the power in your stroke is best applied. 

Most beginning/inexperienced swimmers try to hold their heads up/forward to breathe, which makes their legs 

sink and quickly tires their shoulders/neck muscles and contributes hugely to drag, the biggest enemy of 

speed/efficiency. If your stroke is smooth and you are stroking properly with both arms, a video of you 

swimming will show your legs following along in a straight line. If your legs swing side-to-side, you are creating 

drag because one arm is pushing against the water at a different angle. Another huge drag issue for 

inexperienced swimmers is that they kick from the knees (all these points apply to freestyle). Kicking is much 

easier and efficient from the hips. 

Learn to breathe from both sides once you get a smooth stroke/kick combo. That will come in handy in rough 

water. Alternating breathing sides with every other stroke works well for many people. 

When I decided I wanted to swim for fitness at age 31, I was just a guy who could manage to stay afloat with 

poor technique and I would get exhausted quickly, but when I got the first book above, I realized how inefficient I 

was. Within a year, I joined a local Masters Swim Club and began to train/swim with experienced swimmers. By 

the time I was 39, I had been in numerous FL Master's meets and finished 8th in the 200 breast (in the 35-39 age 

bracket) at the short course Nationals at Mission Viejo, CA, the best I ever did in a National meet because the 

next January, I tore up my knee skiing and my breaststroking days ended just as I was about to be amongst the 

23863 john o' 2012-03-02 07:56:48 @hingrman 

FWIT - Wine Spectator has rated every vintage of this wine 90 or higher going back what seems like forever. 

They rated this an 89. 

That said, the comments were good and indicated an early drinker. 

I'm only pasing because I've been completely out of control lately. 

Just as an aside, it seems like the best WTSO offerrings are the first of the day (midnight EST). That works for me 

as I'm an early riser in the Eastern time zone. 




23864 luddite 2012-03-02 08:28:55 For inmates on the JJ Buckley PCP list interested in the '09 Tenuta Sette Ponti Crognolo, you can do better than 

WTSO... 

23865 Brooks 2012-03-02 08:32:02 Good Morning Good Morning Good Morning .....nothing to do to save his life calls his wife in 

Happy... Merry...Congrats... Get Well.... Hold Fast To That Which Is Good 

^ 

I have been delinquent in keeping up as I no longer dream in 3-D 

^ 

No great tales to share 

Hope to see you at offlines 

Raise glass to you all 

23866 mr21cbs 2012-03-02 08:35:05 @BuffaloLou, no I was watching them and reading at their pool (local high school, indoor, 25yard, competition 

pool). THEN I was eating and drinking. When they practice I don't need adult beverages, occasionally I need to 

look so they stop fulling around after drill, or get too social with their swimming girlfriends. At or after 

competition, wine doesn't do it and hard liquor is necessary ;) Well, not really. They have been doing this long 

enough so no false starts, DQs, or missed events. Getting out-touched at the finish or giving up chasing 

somebody still needs work. 

23867 mr21cbs 2012-03-02 08:48:09 I went for the Tenuta Sette Ponti Crognolo Toscana IGT Super Tuscan Rosso 2009, my JJ Buckley PCP does not list 

it (perhaps I am getting it from a different rep), plus with shipping and burden to my friends in NJ (NaH that has 

been MIA here), since JJ B doesn't ship to PA will be expensive. Our LWS have this wine for $36.99. 

23868 mr21cbs 2012-03-02 08:55:31 Wine Magnet, thank you for your detailed post. I am not worried about my cardio at all (not just yet). I am 41, 

5'10", 145lbs, and can bike/run for miles. My heart red line is 200, and I can sustain it for 2-4 minutes. Blood 

pressure and pulse at rest are under control as well. I think my overall endurance and pain tolerance are fine too. 

For some unknown reason, I am concerned about physical strength to sustain a 15-30 minute swim for a sprint 

triathlon. Perhaps I just need to do it once or twice to get over my fear. Good points about breathing, I can do 

much better with a snorkel, so perhaps I need to work on my breathing and streamline technique, especially for 

the open water swim. 

Anyway, my mid-life crisis is in full bloom, so it is "time to try a tri". I will keep you posted. Thanks again. 

23869 luddite 2012-03-02 08:55:55 Inspired by @Brooks: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfdVvjdSfTw 

23870 NY Pete 2012-03-02 10:13:45 Luddite, did you get FS on that Crognolo offer from JJ Buck? 

23871 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-02 10:21:16 @ludds Check your email... 




23873 vinmoet 2012-03-02 10:29:21 blou: a wine bag. My preference is a soft brief case, understated and not noticed. 

23874 BuffaloLou 2012-03-02 11:06:08 @luddite & Phredd (cross forum reference) - TY! Spending the day with my wife and son (fortunately he 

has a half day of school today!) 

@cbs - Ah, I see! Still, a glass by poolside is always nice! ;) 

@vinny - Oh what pains we go through for a good glass of vino... 

23875 NaH 2012-03-02 12:51:30 HEY!! I lurk here and occasionally put my $0.02 in. 

I'm here MR21CBS, just say my name. Lol 

23877 hinrgman 2012-03-02 13:19:19 Can I put in my 2¢ ? 

23878 BaroloDude 2012-03-02 13:27:59 @ BLOU... the Elyse Hayne PS is one extravagance that i am allowed, to the tune of a bottle a year max. I have 

only ever bought it at the winery, so i am sadly paying full price. I have not had the other PS, so i look forward to 

your review of it. I have been told that "once you go Hayne, you won't want the other one"... ;-) I think i am 

opening an older bottle this weekend when some Ribs are being bbq'd... yum. 

@ TonyO... i must come clean and admit i missed a Michael Schenker show right down the street from my house 

the other week... i was sooooo busy with work i lost track of the day and.... well if i keep typing i will start to cry. 

On the other hand, Maiden just announced a show in early August here... maybe i can squeeze that in. You 

see the Satchurated 3D Joe Satriani movie that is out now? Maybe next TH i can get up to SF to see it. 

Had a glass of Stags Leap Winery Merlot 08 or 09 at a company function this week, pretty boring frankly. I was 

disappointed... their PS is sooo good. 

23879 David T 2012-03-02 13:41:19 @BuffalouLou HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Pop something nice tonight (not that this is the group that needs to be told to 

do that lol) 

23880 mr21cbs 2012-03-02 14:24:26 @BuffaloLou Happy Birthday! Wish many more... 

23881 BuffaloLou 2012-03-02 14:25:31 @David T - TY! 

23882 vinmoet 2012-03-02 14:48:51 HAPPY BIRTHDAY B-LOU!!! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV1raYctgGo 

23883 BuffaloLou 2012-03-02 15:07:54 Thanks Vinny! Great vid! :lol: :lol: :lol: 




23884 jpakma 2012-03-02 15:46:04 Happy Birthday to @BuffaloLou! @winemagnet - Doc Counsilman is a legend in the State of Indiana - one of the 

greatest coaches/swimming instructors ever. Finally opened a bottle of wine today and decided to go with 

something out of the ordinary - 2006 Jean Bourdy Cotes du Jura - just popped and on the initial taste this is going 

to require a fair amount of time in the decanter to open. Floral aromas similar to a young barolo on the initial 

sniff very interesting. 

23885 hinrgman 2012-03-02 16:24:46 Anyone see this ratings of Parker for 2009 bordeaux 

http://www.wineyields.com/index.php/features1/211-parker-delivers-record-number-of-100-points-for-2009bordeaux 

23886 luddite 2012-03-02 17:01:06 Since JJ Buckley offers 6 months storage for free, I never ask them to ship less than full cases. My price per bottle 

for FedEx 3-day has recently increased from $2.65 to $3.06 a bottle. As stated by @B², they don't offer FS. Best I 

ever got was a $10 shipping credit... 

23887 David T 2012-03-02 17:59:17 @luddite They did have a link floating around in December for $1 shipping on any order. I definitely took 

advantage. Whether or not it will ever be repeated I have no idea. 

23888 vinmoet 2012-03-02 19:24:30 I've mentioned how we do steak frites at home timing the steak so that someone can pick up fries from 

McDonalds (a couple of miles away) in time for when the steaks are ready to be plated. Well, a criticism of our 

plan is that frequently, for our tastes, the fries are underdone. Well, I talked to the manager asking if they will 

custom cook. He said sure. Better than that, he gave me the phone number so we can call ahead, he can extra 

cook, and we can pick up in order to time with our steaks. Gotta love it. He may not know it, but he may be the 

only MickeyD manager to get a bottle of Bordeaux from a customer. 

Mrs. V and I are doing a fundraiser dinner for a local charity tonight so our traditional family (aka steak night) is 

postponed to tomorrow night. Each kid has a friend of their choice over for a sleepover and to join in on a steak 

frites dinner. They purposefully picked kids that were world travelers who would get the food since they want a 

fois gras terrine and a serious french cheese plate on either side of the steak frites. I get a chuckle out of 

MickeyD fries eaten in the company of the various french foods that the kids want. But it works. 

Well, off to the fundraiser. No vino for old Vin tonight since Mrs. V is volunteer Chef and I am volunteer wait 

staff (although there are some hitters there that will want this waiter to do some tastes so I'll have to oblige). 

Have a great evening Inmates! 

Blou...even though its your birthday, there is a limit on the number of birthday spankings Mrs. Blou has to give 




23889 jpakma 2012-03-02 19:43:40 First experience with the Jean Bourdy Cotes du Jura, this is really unique juice. Very aromatic florals, red fruits, 

smokey-earthiness, tobacco and leather there too. The initial attack on the palate is tart red fruits, followed by 

similar complexities that were present in the nose. However, the transition to the mid palate and finish are 

somewhat abrupt now and dominated by an almost extreme level of acidity and tannins. You can tell that this 

wine is well made and has the ability to last for decades. The initial finish is somewhat tannic, but that quickly 

subsides to a core of tart red fruit and earthy minerality that is extremely lengthy. Not sure that this wine would 

be a crowd pleaser (or a wife pleaser in my case), but it's a very enjoyable Pinot Noir tasting experience. I picked 

this up through Garagiste for $19, but it looks like you can find it at a couple stores on wine-searcher for around 

$24-$28. I would say is something everyone should try at least once. I won't touch my other bottles for many 

years to come. @BLou, there's not a hint of that iodine taste you reference in Cali pinot's, this is old world all the 

way. 

23890 BuffaloLou 2012-03-02 21:21:36 Popped an '88 Caymus Cab Sauv Special Selection tonight. Past it's prime. Should have popped this baby about 5 

years ago. Still, not bad, but certainly not what it was. :( 

@jpakma - I hope that holds with all burg. We'll be doing a tasting in about a month. We'll see... 

23891 TonyO 2012-03-02 22:33:10 @BLou: happy BDay ! You are among many I know taht share this day ! 

@Vin: Dude, you need to get a good commercial deep fryer (restaurant supply stores have them around $200); 

Idaho Russet Potatoes fried in the "double fry" method (blanch them at 320 degrees, 5-6 minutes, 

remove...........turn temp to 375 and refry for 3-4 minutes while steaks are resting)......don't get me wrong, fresh 

fried and properly salted Pommes Frites at McD's are great.........BUT.....after a few glasses of wine, the last thing 

I want to do is drive two towns away for frites ...(trivia: Vermont is the ONLY state in which the Capital 

(Montpelier) does NOT have a McDonald's.......finish those steaks with some jasper Hill Farm Bayley Hazen Blue 

Cheese (incredible) and you will never look back (although I have a feeling the Steak Frites served at your home is 

pretty &%&(& spectacular !) 

23892 BrunelloBob 2012-03-02 22:41:50 Vermont is also the ONLY state in which the Capital (Montpelier) does NOT have Indoor Plumbing! :lol: 

(I kill Me!) 




23893 TonyO 2012-03-02 22:44:11 @BaroloDude; a friend of mine in Ca is going to that Maiden show (got tix today)............sux you missed the great 

Michael S......here is a taste: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrn0Px4-Lok&feature=related 

23894 TonyO 2012-03-02 22:46:16 and in BTown, the drunken Irish (I can say that as I have an apostrophe in me name don't ya know), pi$$ in the 

streets so it really isn't any different ! 

23895 BrunelloBob 2012-03-02 22:50:57 @Irish Tony: The Irish piss in the streets EVERYWHERE, 

(We're fiercely proud of that, at least my Irish Half is,,,) 

23896 A Frayed Knot 2012-03-03 01:04:00 Wow! appearances by Brooks and TonyO.........Are we getting the band back together? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrxSM_Gxtqw 

23898 luddite 2012-03-03 07:40:16 Speaking of getting the band back together, happy birthday to our seldom seen public defender from 

Philadelphia. You are missed... 

23900 TonyO 2012-03-03 09:47:21 Let's hope that Gregg "the pig" Williams is banned from footbal for his lead role in the bounty programs will in 

New Orleans and Washington..........they guy is a loser and I hope someone punches his lights out......Good 

Morning Everyone ! 

23901 David T 2012-03-03 11:53:24 @TonyO According to the authority on the subject, David Letterman, for quite some time my alma mater was the 

college farthest from a McDonalds anywhere in the country... the nearest was something like 15 miles away. 

Unfortunately that all changed in 2008 & it's now one of the closest. 

@flyerfan Happy bday! 

23905 luddite 2012-03-03 13:08:55 Phillies vs. Spankees, cold beer, pistachios. Luddite stadium is open for baseball. GO PHILLIES!! 

23907 BrunelloBob 2012-03-03 14:18:30 I miss Varitek, that is all. 

(I'm not going to say anything bad about the spankees ;) ) 

23908 TonyO 2012-03-03 14:34:57 two catchers retired this year, one is a future HOF member, the other is Varitek..................must have been the 

"no beer" policy that tipped the scales ! 

23910 vinmoet 2012-03-03 15:17:52 Blou: Noticed you dodged the spanking reference...hmmm did that hit closer to home than we would have 

though me wonders? I hate the smell of old oil...don't want a fryer in the house yet would love to have one. Its 

something might do every couple of months. Mrs. V makes the frites run so it does not affect my "tasting" whilst 

I cook the meat. Would prefer a thicker fry but McDoo does do great fries. In France the nick name for 

McDonalds is "Macdoo." 

I tasted a rhone wine that is a killer QPR and am going to send it to cbs shortly. Watch for it. Was really, really 

impressed by this one. 



23911 vinmoet 2012-03-03 15:36:18 QPR TEASER: 


Just emailed cbs a phenominal QPR. Can you guess what it is? 

94 Points Robert Parker: 

"...one of my all-time favorite producers in France, is a phenomenal bargain. This wine is absolutely stunning, and 

the best one they have made to date, and is a brilliant showcase for what looks to be another great vintage 

in.....A blend of 70% Grenache and 30% Syrah, with 65% aged in tank and the rest in old barrels and foudres, it is 

bottled unfined and unfiltered for the American market. It’s just terrific, and the good news is that there are 

7,000 cases, which is a rarity in this business – finding something spectacular in quality, low in price, with 

excellent availability. Its stunning dense bluish/purple color offers up notes of sweet blueberries, black cherry 

liqueur, licorice, incense, and a hint of hot rocks (almost gravelly, in the....sense), but the wine hits the palate 

with amazing texture, succulence, fabulous fruit intensity, vivid purity and a vigorous, long, fresh finish that goes 

on past 30 seconds. Amazing for a $,,,,,wine....." 

All I can say is this time Parker and I have similar notes and you won't believe the price on this stuff...I bought a 

bottle, tasted in the store and bought one of their three cases on the spot. 

23912 mr21cbs 2012-03-03 17:02:57 @vinmoet I think I will let the inmates a chance to guess your proposed QPR... I will post it tomorrow as today is 

a steak dinner with my carnivorous kids. 

23914 luddite 2012-03-03 18:19:16 Just "Google" the quote: 

2010 Château Pesquié "Terrasses" Côtes du Ventoux 

94 points Robert Parker: "The 2010 from Pesquie Terrasses, one of my all-time favorite producers in France, is a 

phenomenal bargain. This wine is absolutely stunning, and the best one they have made to date, and is a brilliant 

showcase for what looks to be another great vintage in the southern Rhone. A blend of 70% Grenache and 30% 

Syrah, with 65% aged in tank and the rest in old barrels and foudres, it is bottled unfined and unfiltered for the 

American market. It’s just terrific, and the good news is that there are 7,000 cases, which is a rarity in this 

business – finding something spectacular in quality, low in price, with excellent availability. Its stunning dense 

bluish/purple color offers up notes of sweet blueberries, black cherry liqueur, licorice, incense, and a hint of hot 

rocks (almost gravelly, in the Bordeaux sense), but the wine hits the palate with amazing texture, succulence, 

fabulous fruit intensity, vivid purity and a vigorous, long, fresh finish that goes on past 30 seconds. Drink it over 

the next 3-4 years." (10/11) 14% abv. 



23915 BrunelloBob 2012-03-03 18:22:40 Is "googling" the same as "guessing" :lol: :lol: 


Great wine BTW, even if it's only served in the yankees club house... 

23916 AdamEmpire 2012-03-03 19:26:35 That Pesquie is fantastic wine, I sold out the same weekend it arrived in stock. They have a killer rose as well. 

23917 BrunelloBob 2012-03-03 19:42:56 @Adam: Any shot at a bit deeper discount on that Hall Cab? ;) 

23918 luddite 2012-03-03 20:18:45 @Brooks: The '03 Ilona that you recently rated 91 on CT is on WTSO Platinum as I type: 


23921 kommander kaos 2012-03-04 02:58:42 The Kommander kommends agent Adam for some great shake ups in the world of wine. The Pesquie offering 

alone was cause for the PX to re-evaluate its buying strategy. The entire kommand awaits your every posting... 

job well done. 

It should always be apparent that while the Kommander doesn't always komment, your Kommander is always 

here for his troops. 

Kaos out 




23924 BuffaloLou 2012-03-04 09:24:12 Back in action! Was gone all day Sat between an all day long Scout training (lost power twice due to the hight 

winds. Made for an interesting day... ) and a Bandits (loss... :( ) game at night. 

@TO - TY! The great Dr (Seuss) also shares the day! (As well as several other friends of mine.) 

Gregg Williams gives sports a black eye. He should be banished. 

@Vinny - True, I did not comment, but I did read it, as well I read it to Mrs BLou. She had a good laugh. 

@Vinny part II - Agree on the smell of oil and frying, but one can't put a price on homemade Southern fried 

chicken! 

Vinny's upcoming QPR looks like it could be an terrific daily drinker. Me loves Southern Rhone and I like the 'lite' 

oak treatment. 

Speaking of fried chicken, I took my Scout out for dinner before the Bandits game last night. He enjoyed a 

bounty of Buffalo Wings. The Mrs and I usually do not allow such indulgences as they are artery cloggers, but 

they are sooooo good! And no smell at home to boot! If you've never had Buffalo Wings in Buffalo, you owe it 

to yourself to try some if you're ever in the area. (I've never had them out of town when they were anything like 

here. And this goes for many other regional dishes from all over... (Someday I hope to have a Guinness in 

Ireland!)) 

Hall Estate Winery... They bought the old Edgewood Estate Winery - I used to buy their Petite Sirah by the case. 

Killer QPR in the day. They are missed! 

@kommander - nice to have you make an appearance! 




23925 John O' 2012-03-04 09:36:27 On the subject of Vinmoet 

We had steak and frites last night. Got the idea from you. Made a bordelaise sauce to accompany. A purist 

would probably say I butchered it, but the OSullFam household liked it. 

Had a 2006 Duplessy to go with it. A $10 deal from Last Bottle. Fortunately I had read the CT notes (thank you 

Eric Levine) and knew to give it 3 hours in the decanter. It was still pretty tannic, but not bad at all, say 87+. 

Finally, having consumed said Duplessy and still basking in the 30-1 Syracuse Orange season, I finally bit on a 

2007 Mondavi Reserve cab offer, from the Wine Exchange. Much like 2009 Bordeaux, I don't mind spending a bit 

to get a 2007 Napa Cab that can be around for a long time. 

23926 TonyO 2012-03-04 11:26:23 RIP Ronnie Montrose.................................. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk52nGxF-jc 

23927 vinmoet 2012-03-04 11:39:45 Well Luddite and Adam, I'm not sayin' that you're wrong and I'm not sayin' that you're right, you will all just have 

to wait to see the QPR when its posted and then you'll know if Mr. Google is worth his salt. 

By the way, I used the QPR to make a wine reduction when I deglazed the fry pan after making our steaks last 

night. Yum. 

I also drank a 2006 Pomerol which I brought back from France. Its not available here. Remembering paying, say, 

less than $30. Drinks like Clinet. Absolutely spectacular. 

23929 David T 2012-03-04 12:39:43 After taking one for the team and volunteering to stay at work until 3am/working a total of 20 hours overtime in 

two days... today with lunch I decided to be kind to myself for a change in anticipation of the Bedrock mailer to 

be released Tuesday. Opened two of their wines: 

09 Bedrock Sauvignon Blanc Kick Ranch 

10 Bedrock Syrah Sonoma Coast 

If you're not yet on their list, sign up now. Even waiting list members will likely get an allocation of a few of the 

wines. The syrah one of the best qprs I've had so far this year. The SB is probably a bit over the hill but still one of 

the most mineral-driven SBs I've had outside of France. 




23931 jpakma 2012-03-04 13:54:48 If you are looking to pick up some rose for the summer, this wine is delivering and is weighty enough to drink 

now. This was really outstanding! 

2011 Arnot-Roberts 

Touriga Nacional Luchsinger Vineyard - USA, California, North Coast, Red Hills Lake County (3/4/2012) 

Ever since I took delivery of this I've wanted to taste it, well Sunday early afternoon seemed like the right time to 

pop this. Light salmon color with big nose of light florals, watermelon, strawberry, citrus served up over salty 

mineral stone. The wine has a nice weight to it so that it can be enjoyed year round. I love the acidity and 

minerality. I bought three on release $20, thinking I need to buy more now. Outstanding! (92 points) 


23932 BuffaloLou 2012-03-04 14:09:04 @David T - IIRC, GV flipped over one of Bedrock's Zins a short while back. 

23933 jpakma 2012-03-04 14:28:06 I will 2nd David T's rec of the Bedrock wines. Morgan is making some great wine at an outstanding value relative 

to other wineries. 

23935 David T 2012-03-04 17:05:05 @BLou The recent Bedrock GV scores I could find: 

09 Kick Ranch Syrah 92 (DG Ep 31) 

09 Stellwagen Zin 88 (WLTV 966) 

09 Syrah Sonoma Coast 93 (DG website) 

09 Lachryma Montis late harvest semillon 96+ (DG website) 




23937 NaH 2012-03-04 19:13:38 Last night at a Central Jersey offline, the focus was 2000 Bordeaux. 

Here's the line up: 

#1 2000 Ch Cantenac Brown Margaux 

#2 2000 Ch Pipeau St Emilion 

#3 2005 Ch Lascombes Margaux 

#4 2005 Ch Saint-Pierre St Julien 

#5/6 2000 Ch Lynch Bages Pauillac 

#7 2000 Ch de Sales Pomerol 

#8 2000 Ch Calon-Segur St Estephe 

#9 2000 La Chapelle de Calon St Estephe 

#10 2000 Ch Franc-Maillet Pomerol 

#11 2000 Amiral de Beychevelle St Julien 

#12 2000 Ch Langoa Barton St Julien 

#13 2000 Ch Pontet-Canet 

Someone brought in 2005, which were really nice, tannic still. 

The majority opened up beautifully after 3 hours. 4 were decanted at the restaurant. 2 were decanted at 11 that 

morning! 

Guess the top 3 

23938 BuffaloLou 2012-03-04 19:48:25 @DT - Given your enthusiasm on the Bedrock, I'll have to pop one sooner than later. I know I have two different 

bottlings, one of which is the '09 Sonoma Syrah: https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1031688 (I 

assume it's the same one you had.) 

Tonight with dinner (grilled pork tenderloin w/ "Northwoods seasoning" and fresh pineapple/jicama pico de gallo 

(Mrs BLou did an awesome job with the pico!)): Cameron Hughes Lot 178 Los Carneros Syrah. 

23939 BaroloDude 2012-03-04 20:11:22 TonyO beat me to it... Bye Ronnie. :-( The Voyager is gone. 

so here is another vid.... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfPViQSU6dc&feature=related 




23940 vinmoet 2012-03-04 20:15:24 OK NaH. The gauntlet is thrown. The better wines need another 5 plus years IMHO...for the best this was 

infanticide for the lesser they are in a drinking window now. 

The group's pick in order: 

Pontet-Canet 

Lascombes 

Langua Barton 

VM's picks for VM, in order: 

Lynch Bages 

Pontet Canet 

Calon Segur 

23941 TonyO 2012-03-04 20:47:21 @BaroloDude: always wondered what would have happened if Montrose stayed together with the 

lineup.............it didn't last long but it was great while it lasted (TWSS.....). Sammy H has a heck of a 

career................... 

23942 johnr 2012-03-04 21:36:07 There is a 01 Rieussac 750ml on winecommune for $125.00. Lowest searcher is $180.00. Hell of a deal. 

Love JohnR 


I am not the seller 

Hahahaha. I knew you would think infanticide!! The group picked Lynch Bages, Pontet-Canet and Lascombes. Did 

you see the CT forums Central Jersey picks? 

My personal top 3 were Lynch Bages, Lascombes and Langoa Barton. The Pontet Canet started to open up at the 

end of the night...people were scrambling to retaste while the wait staff were pushing us out the door. 

The remaining Calon Segur (which I brought, also brought the de Sales- I love bringing $25 Bordeaux to a high 

end tasting and everyone loves it) opened up last night. 




23946 vinmoet 2012-03-05 09:16:49 NaH: Looks like I came close to calling it. I did not see any of the forums. No cheating here. I signed up for CT 

many many moons ago but I've never used it other than to check "ratings" and I can't remember the last time 

that I did that. 

I am pretty familiar with most of the wines so my guess was based on what I thought would show well. I would 

have figured that the Lynch would not being showing as much fruit so I did not put it in the top three which is 

why I guessed the Langoa over it. The Pontet and Lascombes were easy because they are so flamboyant and 

would stand out. My own list are the wines that I would have picked for me...I believe that they are head and 

shoulders above the others and will show that in 5 to 10 years. I really like the Calon (in 10 years). 

A wine that is just entering its drinking window now is the Franc-Maillet Pomerol. This is a more traditional 

Pomerol and is not fruit forward. I would not have expected it to be a crowd favorite but it is an elegant, 

delicious wine. 

Am jealous. Sounds like to you had a good time. 

23947 vinmoet 2012-03-05 11:03:03 En garde! My 8 year old son is in fencing along with my 14yo daughter. They have their first tournament on 

Saturday. I have caught the bug myself. Just ordered my gear and will start lessons in the next couple of weeks. 

My son sees us fencing each other all over the neighborhood. I am immature enough that I realize that he is 

right. Watch out neighborhood. Just wish I had been taking lessons a few years ahead of him just to not give him 

any bad habits when we duel. 

Any inmates fencers? I've chosen the foil. Our local club is basically foil. My kids' coach competes epee but 

teaches them foil. I think the theory is that since foil is the most disciplined, its easier to transition from it to 

epee rather than visa versa. Epee is much more of a swashbuckler style where foil seems more structured, more 

blue blood. Well, its nothing but red blood for my opponents as I take them all down. Arrrgggg. 

23950 BrunelloBob 2012-03-05 12:11:50 I used to be a pirate, does that count? 

23951 vinmoet 2012-03-05 12:30:25 A pirate would utilize a sabre in fencing. Bbob, I believe this is some footage of you... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUEZIrDVT8 




23952 vinmoet 2012-03-05 12:34:53 On the other hand, after a couple of lessons, my neighborhood shall enjoy watching some foil fencing as we two 

boys duke it out: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxBHrYloFXw 

23953 vinmoet 2012-03-05 12:58:58 Sabre - points scored on a touch even with the side of the blade above waist, arms and head. In my view, the 

sabre is the closest weapon to that of a pirate though a pirate might prefer epee rules. 

Foil - Thrust only (no side touches). There is a pressure point weighted to 500 grams (the theoretical piercing 

point of skin) which is required to score the point. Target area is above the waist. Catch is there are rules as to 

when you can get points. The instigator of an attack gets priority but if his attack fails, he loses the priority. This 

is the thinking man's game. Very very cool. A pirate would not like this. 

Epee - No rules. Entire body is a target. Lots of fun to watch. 

23954 BrunelloBob 2012-03-05 13:03:29 What about light sabres? 

23955 luddite 2012-03-05 13:45:36 @vinny: Our daughter took fencing lessons along with ice skating and horseback riding. I still have all her fencing 

gear. One year of lessons plus gear $1000 and that was 10+ years ago.... 

23956 vinmoet 2012-03-05 13:50:04 Ahhhh, so you were a SPACE pirate. Then I am way of the mark. 

Perhaps we have you on film here? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_yY7cDKhOU 

No, wait, its here: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JXpW1jdB4k 

23957 vinmoet 2012-03-05 13:52:06 Luddite, 

I am guessing that fencing was still much cheaper than horseback riding...the ultimate words of terror: "daddy, I 

want my own horse..." 

23958 john o' 2012-03-05 14:27:58 "I am guessing that fencing was still much cheaper than horseback riding…the ultimate words of terror: “daddy, I 

want my own horse…” 

Nope, it's: I'm pregnant, I love him very much and he gets out of prison very soon. I got this tatoo to honor him" 



23959 luddite 2012-03-05 15:21:54 @vinny: You're right fencing was much cheaper (try 2 horses). 


@john o': You're also correct. The horses were purchased to keep her mind off boys. Worked pretty much 

throughout high school (not so much during college) and yes avoided us having to hear the dreaded P word... 

Now she's 26, has a good job, and is dating a grad student at Northeastern (same school the U-boat commander 

is attending). She recently completed her application to attend BC law school. Just when I thought I was finished 

paying for school... 

23960 BrunelloBob 2012-03-05 15:34:38 Luddite's daughter is dating Brooks' son?! 

There'll be a wedding in these here Hills! 

23963 A Frayed Knot 2012-03-05 18:55:51 I am not left handed!.......oh, wait....I am left handed! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7zvffHu_wo 

23964 BuffaloLou 2012-03-05 22:39:43 "What about light sabres?" 

What about Buffalo Sabres? Oh wait, they suck... 

Fencing... Horseback riding... the "P" word... There is much philosophy here in the Hills. And there are Pirates, 

too! :lol: 

Oooo! A Hills Wedding?! GREAT! We get to drink more wine! 

On the wine subject, any thoughts on tonight's Riesling offer? There is a soft spot in the BLou household for 

Riesling... 




23965 BuffaloLou 2012-03-05 23:16:23 Forgot to mention that I stopped by a LWS today to pick up some Gewertz for Mrs BLou today. While in the 

Alsace section, I suddenly hear "Hey! You don't need to be buying any more wine!" It was joeg, coincidentally in 

the store at the same time. This was certainly an instance of pot/kettle/black as Joe was carrying a box of wine 

himself (and he has a most impressive wine cellar filled with mucho impressive vino!) 

Cher... over 60 and still has a set of pipes! 

2009 Lamadrid "Single Vineyard" Malbec, Argentina. Will not be rebuying... 

Before there was Clapton, there was Elmore James: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBA2REoRD98&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL75 

F3F34341D4A0DF 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_aZ0jPPiao 

23966 BuffaloLou 2012-03-06 00:07:24 New Wiki entry: under "Black Tongue Syndrome" it says "See Malbec." 

23973 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-06 13:07:05 Apparently there's another flash wine site that just popped up today: http://www.winetwitsdeals.com/ 

I've got the 2007 La Maialina and it was OK, not much info I could find on the 2008. Not a bad price for an 

everyday drinker, though! 

23974 BrunelloBob 2012-03-06 13:23:25 @WIM: Did you have the straight La Maialina Chianti or the La Maialina Chianti Classico Riserva? 

I see the Classico Riserva in your cellar, and that should be a significant step up from the straight Chianti. 

x 

You're right though, hard to go wrong for that price. 

23975 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-06 14:19:29 BBob I had the Reserva, but they're pushing those wines, as my LWS just sent out a mailer for the 2007 Reserva 

for $17.98 ea for 6 and the 2008 La Maialina Toscana Rosso Gertrude for $11.98 ea for 6. I paid $16.98 from WL 

in Jan 11. 

23978 BrunelloBob 2012-03-06 21:04:09 Poor, poor Muffett McGraw... 

23979 TonyO 2012-03-06 21:11:58 Had some very nice Cigliuti wines with Claudia Cigluiti last night here in Vermont............... 

23980 luddite 2012-03-06 21:17:28 @TonyO: Very nice! 

Enjoyed a bottle of this wine over the past three nights: 

http://www.wineaccess.com/store/chateaudevaudieudirectoctober2010/index.html 



23981 BrunelloBob 2012-03-06 21:28:15 Q: What do you call a bottle of wine that lasts three nights? 

A: "Nebuchadnezzar" 

(wino humor) 

(("I Kill Brooks")) 

23985 vinmoet 2012-03-07 09:44:19 What did the grape say when it got stepped on? 


Answer: Nothing – but it let out a little whine. 

(BBob, we're nothin' but genius...) 

23986 louas 2012-03-07 11:24:06 Kansas fan Basketball joke: 

Why do Missouri fans only play 14 holes of golf? 

They don't know how to get to the Final Four!! 

23990 BaroloDude 2012-03-07 16:58:59 a horse walks into a bar.... 

23991 john o' 2012-03-07 17:24:31 ..... so I said to the genie: "How about a little head?" 

23992 BaroloDude 2012-03-07 18:39:11 "its driving me nuts!" 

23993 BURGHen Boy 2012-03-07 19:22:02 and the man in the bar says "do you really think I asked the genie for a 10 inch pianist?" 

23995 mr21cbs 2012-03-07 22:16:28 ...the talent here never ceases to amaze me 

23996 louas 2012-03-07 22:49:19 2008 Twisted Oak Petite Sirah from Woot, $17. Delish bottle of wine. Nice fruit, strong but not overpowering 

tannins, great long finish. 

Definite re-buy. 

Hey BLou: did you get some of this? 

23997 BuffaloLou 2012-03-07 22:59:36 @louas - Not this offer, but I did go in on a Twisted Oak offering from Woot some time ago, IIRC. I have not tried 

the PS that I have, but I was disappointed with the other bottles (grenache & tempranillo). As such, I won't 

be buying any more until I try the PS that I have. Also, I've heard from another "independent" source that his 

"The Spaniard" is the only bottling that's worth buying. Then again, that was just one person's opinion. 

23999 mr21cbs 2012-03-08 08:28:08 Happy International Women's Day to our better halves! 



24000 vinmoet 2012-03-08 10:00:51 cbs...and we all knew that's what today was... 


Hey, anyone familiar with the '09 Domaine Laleure Piot Pernand Vergelesses 1er Cru 

Les Vergelesses Rouge on WTSO for $30w/shipping? 

Can find out very little about it. K&L sells it for $45. The fact that they sell it means something plus the 

vintage is phenomenal plus the Appellation is good. Am not Mr. Burgundy, so I don't know the maker. A casual 

search on my French sites did not turn up much. 

Here are the prices for it in Euros http://www.laleure-piot.com/tarifs.php which works out to about $31 there (I 

believe @ Chateau). This could actually be a pretty good buy despite the Newman 93 point review. But I'm Mr. 

Bordeaux over here and can't be of much help. Inmates? 

24001 vinmoet 2012-03-08 10:09:16 So, KisforKate: Did you attend the Cheese competition in Madison? 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/story/2012-03-08/cheese-championship/53411358/1 

24002 BrunelloBob 2012-03-08 10:10:07 FWIW, my philosophy re:Newman is that his scores are relative. He throws out a lot of 90-91s, but not a lot of 93- 

94s. 

So a 93 point score has some weight, even from Newman. 

24004 BaroloDude 2012-03-08 13:26:11 re today's malbec QPR write up.... 

"BuffaloLou:....After buying this bottle to try, I’ll be making a case purchase!" 

IF I HAD A DIME FOR EVERY TIME BUFFLOU MADE A CASE PURCHASE.... ;-) I keeeed I keeeeed. 

Last night wine was STUNNING. A bottle of the Big Basin Rattlesnake Rock Syrah 2005 (yes from the LBW deal 

last year which i shilled a bit on)... ok on Pop N Pour, but after 30min, and for the next 90... it was stunning. I 

used to love California styled fruit forward powerful Syrahs (DuMOL being at the top of that heap for me), but my 

palate has developed (or just changed) from that, and while i still haven't found a strong liking for most ultrapeppery 

Northern Rhone wines yet, i am starting to like them more and more. This Big Basin , to me, is a 

perfect 50/50 old world/new world styled Syrah. Great dark fruit, smokiness, meat juice/bloody note, fragrance 

of pepper but not overpowering.. This is now officially my favorite bottling of Syrah, and its pretty darn 

consistent from vintage to vintage. Tasting room is just a few miles away in downtown Saratoga now. 

Hmmmmmm. Maybe an extended lunch today is needed.... 

24006 BuffaloLou 2012-03-08 14:46:26 @BDude - what did you pay for the Big Basin Syrah? And yeah, guilty as charged... :lol: 




24007 kommander kaos 2012-03-08 16:38:51 ITKRC, the present stock pf Big Basin in command cellar was procured at the 'other Gary' a year back in the 

<40. range over a year back. Wonderful testament to American winemaking skills. With peppery cigar box 

nose, followed by dark berry palate with tannins working nominally on the finish 

have the kaos brigade demanding weekly rations. Good call corporal barolo. 

kaos out 

24009 vinmoet 2012-03-08 18:42:47 Luddite: Jealous? Yeah, Illini already projected as a three seed in....the NIT. I don't see any poisonous nuts 

projected to make the NIT. 

http://nitology.com/ 

Although, there are some surprisingly big names in there so I guess I don't feel that lonely. 

What a slide. Strong mid season RPI, some very solid top 25 wins, a top 10 ranking, and then after beating OH St. 

we lose 12 out of 14. Wow. Time to pull out some of those high ABV wines I've been avoiding. NIT here we 

come! 

24012 BuffaloLou 2012-03-08 21:13:26 Enjoying a Buty '06 Horse Heaven Hills Columbia Rediviva (55% Cab 45% Merlot) - Delicious! I was a little 

concerned on the pnp as it was like the 'Oak Monster', but after 30 minutes the fruit came forward to balance 

the wine. It's been drinking beautifully for over 2 hours. Shout out to Scott W for his suggestion on popping this, 

now. 

Tonight I signed my son up for the National Scout Jamboree ("Jambo") 2013 at BSAs new Summet Bechtel Ranch 

in WV. He is ecstatic, but can't believe he has to wait over a year! 

24014 mr21cbs 2012-03-08 22:06:26 Speaking of our sons... today is the first day of Mid-Atlantic Regional Junior Olympics. We had no events today 

but in the next 3 days I will be MIA while feeding, driving, massaging, and encouraging my boys. Being a "just 

turned 11 years old" among the kids who are almost 13 is not easy, but they better hang in there. 6-12 months 

age difference in body size, strength and speed are significant, but it is what it is. Experience and toughness. See 

you in a few days. Good luck to your college basketball teams in the tourney. My team, Drexel, has no shot at 

going far, but we shall see... 

24015 BuffaloLou 2012-03-08 22:14:07 @cbs - Good luck to your boys! 

I purchased a couple bottles of Fetzer '10 Gewurztraminer for my wife. Don't ask me why, but for some reason I 

looked at the bottle to see the ABV. It is NOWHERE! What gives? Isn't ABV level printed on the bottle required 

by law?! I wonder if it's counterfeit? (joke... ref: 

http://wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61172) 

24017 castello 2012-03-09 04:27:19 @Bdude/Beavis: I love a long lunch and Local Syrah! I'll need a few minutes to get ready :) 




24023 BrunelloBob 2012-03-09 12:11:06 friggin' cindy.... :) 

24024 BuffaloLou 2012-03-09 12:34:41 @BB - Have you had the BdM on CW? 

24025 BrunelloBob 2012-03-09 12:54:36 Not the 2006. 

La Poderina is a good (not Great), traditional-style BdM producer with a long track record. Well worth the Cindy 

price when lesser-name Brunello, and some RdM, is going for more. 

This kind of pricing in a good vintage has got to be killing the rossos, and even Chianti. You can only go so low. 

24026 vinmoet 2012-03-09 13:39:25 Empire has an '09 Haut Medoc for 18 bones delivered, minimum 4. Am not at all familiar with it. That said, 

probably my favorite reviewer is Neil Martin and he gave it 92 points and said: 

"Tasted at the Cru Bourgeois 2009 tasting in London. The Devise d’Ardilley was the winner of the Coup de Cru 

Bourgeois that I judged at Vinexpo in June. Here, it justifies that “coup”. It has a lovely, beautifully defined 

bouquet with pure dark berried fruits intertwined with marmalade and orange rind. Sheer class. The palate is 

beautifully balanced with superb acidity. Very vibrant, very composed with a sensual, caressing finish worthy of a 

Grand Cru Classe. Outstanding for its class. Tasted September 2011." 

This vintage is so good that many, many wines will overachieve. At this money, its worth the roll of the dice. 

24027 BrunelloBob 2012-03-09 13:54:14 @Vinny: I knew you were gonna say that :lol: 

24028 vinmoet 2012-03-09 14:30:35 So I guess we'd better be careful next time we want to buy three quarters of a million dollars of Romanee Conti... 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204603004577269930226889356.html?grcc=5302462f34af511 

2a993fb1a2b7627dfZ11&mod=WSJ_hps_sections_newyork 

24029 BuffaloLou 2012-03-09 14:45:07 @vinny & all: This has been talked about extensively on WB . Here is the lastest about the FBI and Rudy: 

http://wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61172&start=950#p838679 

24030 luddite 2012-03-09 15:43:13 @vinny: No shame in winning the NIT. I say go for it! 

In other news: I finally pulled a @ctwino on Last Bottle and bagged the $25 credit! 

24031 BrunelloBob 2012-03-09 16:02:19 Whatcha buy Ludds? 



24032 BaroloDude 2012-03-09 16:18:30 BrunelloBob... you need to buy the Bord deal on Empire. 

Vinmoet... you need to buy the Brunello deal on Cindy. 


Voila. A little "cross-mojonation" cannot hurt! The yin and the yang... 

24033 vinmoet 2012-03-09 16:19:26 You're right Ludds, nothing like battling for the rights to claim #69 in the country. Hey, isn't that BDude's favorite 

number? 

We only paid $3.9mil. to fire our coach. I would have agreed to be fired for a lot less than that. 

24034 BaroloDude 2012-03-09 16:26:36 For those of you considering the Poderina, there are more comments on it at klwines.com some of the staffers 

have comments on the product page http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1074173 

24035 BrunelloBob 2012-03-09 16:27:25 @Dude :lol: :lol: :lol: 

I have no experience with Poderina, and know that there are other BdMs, while more expensive, that i probably 

want to try first. This stuff might be around a while in the market. K&L has been pushing this stuff at 

discounted prices (below the 39.99 price point) for a long time and JUST ran out earlier today. 

Why don't we all just get together and crack a couple Super Tuscans? I've got an '04 Sassacaia burning a hole... 

24036 luddite 2012-03-09 16:39:50 @vinny: Why so bitter, after all the Poisonous Nuts won the NIT in '08 and have have done pretty well since... 

@B²: The '04 Pas Curtei Penedes (IWC-ST 88) for $9. 

24037 BaroloDude 2012-03-09 16:41:37 Bdude's favorite team, the Cal Bears, won the NIT back in the 90s... i felt proud. They never win anything, so it 

was good... 

24038 BrunelloBob 2012-03-09 17:36:30 UCONN won the NIT in 1988, my senior year. I remember the games fondly. Drank a bit of beer back then... 

Up to that point we had never won anything either. My, how times have changed... 

24040 KenI 2012-03-09 18:16:47 For those who live in CA, looks like Trader Joe's has 2006 Quixote Petite Syrah($60/bottle) relabeled as Lance and 

Windmill for $15/bottle. Same capsule, different label, and some have reported they are in quixote boxes. 

Seems like it's only in CA TJs. 

24041 Hinrgman 2012-03-09 19:02:17 @Ken - yes it looks that way, any TJ in NJ is unaware of any such wine. 

24042 BuffaloLou 2012-03-09 19:54:29 I wish I was taking a trip to CA... 




24043 kommander kaos 2012-03-09 21:02:23 The Kommander and staff are appreciating some down time with a few bottles of Twisted Oak River of Skulls 

while carefully monitoring the bruce springsteen concert at the Apollo on XM. 

While your Kommander may disagree with some of Bosun Bruces politics, the Kommander overlooks and listens. 

Perhaps this hippie dude may be right on some issues. Either way the juice is working. Long live the E street band. 

kaos out... 

24044 BuffaloLou 2012-03-09 21:47:19 Is the hippie dude related to the barolodude? 

24045 kommander kaos 2012-03-09 22:52:03 After two hours and two bottles, the Kommander appreciates and begrudgemently endorses both barolo dude 

and bruce dude. rip Clarence, rock on jake 

24047 David T 2012-03-10 01:53:07 Wine satire at its best 

http://hosemasterofwine.blogspot.com/2012/03/parkenstein-explains-perfection.html 

24048 Hinrgman 2012-03-10 06:55:36 NY Times Asimov 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/10/nyregion/doubts-grew-slowly-about-wine-collector-charged-withfraud.html 

24049 vinmoet 2012-03-10 09:37:01 Illinois lost to NC in the title game in 05 finishing the season 30-2. Old Vin went to all of the final four games and 

even enjoyed losing to NC. At some level, NCAA every year is a given. The only question should be how far you'll 

go in the tourney. I'll watch the NIT but I'm drinking 15.5%abv Seghesio to do it. We are projected a 6 seed and 

may not even get in. 

One of the most amazing games was the Illinois comeback against AZ in the elite 8 in '05. IL was down 15 points 

with 4 minutes to go, ties the game and wins in overtime. You can watch the last 4 minutes of regulation play 

over and over and still not see how it will be possible for them to come back. 

A 4 minute highlight off of UTube...you can fast forward to the 4 minute mark: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmrvVQFGFlY 

24053 louas 2012-03-10 14:47:49 Well Vinny, having lived in Tucson for the past 30 years, I remember that game vividly, as a Nightmare. I think I 

remember me screaming at TV for Lute Olsen to call time out call time out call time out. 

Fast forward to today when AZ has a chance to steal Pac12 Tourney at find itself in the dance with an undersized, 

undermanned team, but a very dogged and determined coach. 

Go Cats! 



24055 brooks 2012-03-10 15:07:28 Quixote PS 

I like with Green Eggs and Ham 

TJs Framingham (MA) 


Lance Windmills label 

Folks run like hearing alarms 

With cases in arms 

24056 vinmoet 2012-03-10 15:49:01 Louas, Lute was great. Loved to watch him from the sidelines. AZ is very scrappy this year. Good luck in the 

tourney! 

Just got back from my first fencing tournament. Had my 8yo son in it. My 14yo daughter was supposed to play 

but she was stuck in a piano recital practice. My 8 yo tied for 3rd place. At this young age, they are allowed to 

tie. When older, you play off to decide the bronze winner. Kind of like battling for an NIT title (except that is a 

battle for 69th place not 3rd (I just won't give it up, will I)). 

At that age all you can do is cheer everyone on and you hate it when a kid doesn't win, even when its your kid 

that beat him. My son was grinning ear to ear and was really proud. He got dinged up in the chest when a hit 

snuck by his chest protector and he got nailed in the hand a few times, but he loved the whole process. 

The winner was a 10 YO who has been training two years and has, now, 8 tournament championships. My son, 

who has been fencing a month, had to fence this kid twice. Got smoked twice but scored more points on him 

than anyone else at the tourney including the championship match. That kid really had quick feet and serious 

technique. 

I'd say a month in to this and we're addicted. For some reason, it makes me want to drink Burgundy. 




24057 BrunelloBob 2012-03-10 16:32:59 Picked up a bottle of the 2004 R Wines Shiraz Evil Incarnate on Cindy about a year ago. Classic Cinderella offer: 

Suggested Retail: $79.99, WL Sales price: $59.98, Cinderella price: $29.92. 

Just pulled it out of the cellar to bring to friends' tonight, and for laughs I looked it up on Wine Searcher (nonpro). 

Only one retailer shows up. He's got 4 bottles at $229.95/bottle. Really. 

A couple of points here: 

1) Best wine investment I Ever made, or likely will Ever make :lol: 

2) If you know that your friends are the type to look up the price of the bottle after you leave, and reciprocate in 

kind, how does "etiquette" suggest one broaches the subject of price/value? 

(Who am I kidding, I'm gonna let them piss away 225 bucks! :lol: :lol: ) 

24058 luddite 2012-03-10 18:05:32 @B²: I would strongly suggest your friends invest in WS-pro as the best price for said wine shows $59.95. The 

$170 savings for this one bottle will easily justify the $39 annual subscription. :D 

24060 TonyO 2012-03-10 20:20:50 Just opened a 2008 Owen Roe Chapel Block Syrah................holy $^*&(^*(&* this is AMAZING.....black 

fruit, chocolate, the perfect amount of spice and about the silkiest mouthfeel you could imagine..........when Dave 

O'Reilly gets it right, no one makes better wine ! This wine deserves every single one of the 97 points it received 

in the WS review 

24061 mr21cbs 2012-03-10 21:10:57 @vinmoet, congratulations to your son, that is very impressive performance after such a short practice schedule. 

~ 

Good times for both boys at Junior Olympics the last couple of days. Dropping seconds left and right. Tomorrow 

is the last day. The events could not be different. A quick 50 Back for Greg (should be over in under 32 sec), then 

a long 1650 Free for Jacob (he should try to get it done in 21 min). We are both exhausted as the warm-ups are 

at 7:15am, it is an hour drive, and the time change tomorrow isn't helping either. 



24062 BuffaloLou 2012-03-10 23:10:19 @Vinny - Congrats to your son! 



@cbs - Sounds like congrats are also in order for your boys! Hang in there, we all will get enough sleep when we 

die. ;) 

@TonyO - your post inspired me to look up the Chapel Block Syrah. I see it's now selling for double what it was a 

year ago! (This action also convinced me to upgrade to WSPro... ) I might join their wine club. Anyone have any 

thoughts on it (the wine club)? 

Enjoying a 2007 Perrin & Fils Gigondas La Gille tonight. This is very tasty! Haven't done TNs yet, but will 

shortly. 

2007 Perrin & Fils 

Gigondas La Gille - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Gigondas (3/10/2012) 

C: near opaque black-ruby 

N: Intense anise on the pnp which subdued a little revealing cherries 

P: Plum and raspberries; a brambly earthy-ness on the back end 

F: medium+ 

Delicious now, should continue to improve over a few more years, perhaps more. Drinking so well I wouldn't 

hesitate to consume over the next 12 months. (91 points) 


24064 TonyO 2012-03-11 08:53:37 @BLou: if the wines are not available in your area, I would join the club...Vermont receives quite a bit so it is 

accessible here but if it weren't I would join.....Owen Roe are simply some of the best Syrahs, Cab Francs, Cab 

Savs, and Merlots made IMO.... 




24065 vinmoet 2012-03-11 10:53:02 I'm finally going to drop the athletic bit, but before I do, this is a clip from Bruce Webber's farewell at the press 

conference announcing his termination. Talk about a class act: 

http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030912aae.html 

I am in the camp that expects a big program to be in the NCAA /top 25 mix every year but I am also in the camp 

where I won't compromise the education of the kids and the ethics of the program to do that. A Kentucky style 

program full of one and done players is, IMHO, a sell-out and says everything you need to know about the 

academic commitment. Whoever hires Webber will be getting the whole package. Whoever Illinois hires better 

not write off ethics, academics and the best interests of the kids to get to the big dance. 

24066 vinmoet 2012-03-11 11:19:31 Oh, guys, just so you are aware, the tourney that my son was involved in was a very small one with very 

inexperienced kids. The kids who finished in the top were really good, the rest were all relative newbies like my 

son although he's been both in classes and private lessons which is a big advantage. But, being the good father I 

am, its clear from my not so objective stand point that he is an absolute fencing prodigy. 

Last night I opened an old friend, the 2007 E. Guigal CDR that we put up as a QPR. There is still quite a bit of '07 

around and the '09 is harder to find. The '07 is not a wine to age much longer. Last night was a solid, good 

performer. Still a great QPR at about $10. Picked up a case for every day wine purposes. Oldest was out doing 

a sleep over somewhere, so my 11 yo daughter set up a "slider" buffet in front of the TV and we dined on the 

mini burgers and vinmoet's famous toll house cookies while watching an old Cary Grant film "I was a Male War 

Bride" 1949. The Guigal was perfect. 

Friday night I opened a 2008 Monbousquet. Parker gave it 92 points and said: 

"This sexy, beautiful wine has the same potency (14% alcohol) as the 2010, which is surprising given the 

difference in alcohol strengths in these two vintages. Soft, round and opulent, this sexy 2008 reveals lots of white 

chocolate, espresso roast, Christmas fruitcake, black currant and cherry characteristics in its flamboyant bouquet. 

Round, medium to full-bodied and lush, it can be enjoyed now and over the next decade. This is a sleeper of the 

vintage." 

24067 BuffaloLou 2012-03-11 13:41:21 @TO - TY! 

24069 John O' 2012-03-11 17:42:02 popped a 2008 Flora Springs Trilogy. Sitting in the decanter opening. Tried the bottom of the bottle about 1/2 

hour after opening. Still very tight, but early signs are very good. 




24071 BuffaloLou 2012-03-11 19:24:03 @JohnO - The Trilogy was one of my fav bottlings. Nice juice! Update us with how it progresses. 

Rotisseried a bone-in roast pork loin for dinner tonight. Oh my was it tasty!! Paired it with an '08 J Vineyards 

Pinot Gris. Fantastic pairing! 

24072 John O' 2012-03-11 19:44:14 @BuffLou 

I envy folks who can write incerdible descriptors of the wines they drink. I don't enjoy that gift and tend to be a 

bit binary. 

The 2008 Trilogy opened up and was smooth and elegant. Beautiful nose. 

Definately reccomend. 

24073 TonyO 2012-03-11 20:54:05 WTSO has a cab that is sure to leave you satisfied and smiling with pleasure............TWSS and the name of the 

wine is Michael Scott...could be worth the $20 (4 for free shipping) 

24074 BuffaloLou 2012-03-11 22:00:55 Thanks John! 

24075 McMalbec 2012-03-11 23:48:17 Agreed NYPete- Phantom is a great value! 

24078 vinmoet 2012-03-12 09:30:57 Renzo Masi Chianti Rufina Reserva 2008 WS90 on Empire, 4 delivered for 12 bones. I like my Chianti a bit grittier 

than this, an odd complaint that this fairly fruity and smooth, but that's how I role. They make a Chianti below 

this that is not Reserva and has that gritty appeal. We buy both for a week night inexpensive pasta match. At 

this price, delivered, a great QPR. 

24079 mcmalbec 2012-03-12 12:20:41 Another. 2006 amorone deal up, this one on Anthology. (Riondo?) 

Reporting from a breezee Miami beach!!!! 

24080 vinmoet 2012-03-12 13:05:39 mcmalbec: Jealous. Love Miami. We usually stay on Key Biscayne, you South Beach dudes are too wild for our 

little family. 

There is a very cost effective, delicious & authentic Spanish restaurant. We love Spain and this hits the 

mark. They have a wine store as part of the restaurant and you just pay retail for wine when you eat dinner. 

Truly and mom and pop place, bare tables and harsh lighting are my only criticisms. 

http://www.deliciasdeespana.com/store1/restaurant_eng.asp 

Have a great time! 

24081 louas 2012-03-12 14:36:18 another thumbs up for the Bogle Phantom 

24082 joe g 2012-03-12 15:27:06 wine tip of the day.... if you have a 29 lafite in your cellar and the chance to sell it for a couple thousand bucks, 

sell it 




24083 BrunelloBob 2012-03-12 16:14:34 If you drink it, send me the empty bottle. 

I got a side gig goin' with an auction house... 

24085 AdamEmpire 2012-03-12 17:42:02 Let me know if anybody who wanted to order Friday's bordeaux offer missed out - after packing many of the 

orders, it turns out that there is a small amount left. Thank you. 

24086 mr21cbs 2012-03-12 18:37:07 Thank you, Adam. Mine is already in the hands of UPS. 

24087 BuffaloLou 2012-03-12 18:54:27 @joe g - thanks for the tip. I'll get right on that. ;) 

24089 A Frayed Knot 2012-03-13 00:40:36 Mmm Granache! 

Mmm Syrah! 

Hey! You got Grenache in my Syrah! 

Hey! You got Syrah in my Grenache! 

Delicious! 

Two great tastes that taste great together. 

French Cote du Rhone, real Grenache….delicious Syrah. 

France’s CdR……. Also available in CdP, with a papal endorsement! 

Pick some up today! 

24092 NaH 2012-03-13 05:13:39 AFK 

That's fantastic! I won't be able to get that tune out of my head 

24097 mr21cbs 2012-03-13 13:32:10 Any of you iPad users can recommend good productivity, fun and entertaining apps? My New iPad should arrive 

this Friday. Thanks! 

24098 kommander kaos 2012-03-13 14:01:59 The Kommander recently upgraded to the Ipad and is now in the process of filling 64 GB of drive. What the 

kommander has found most interesting and useful so far is 

Numbers app... spreadsheets made easy 

imovie app... AMAZING movie editing 

Keynote app... put together great biz presentations. 

GarageBand app... if you are like the kommander, this nifty app will keep you occupied for days on end amazing 

eight track capabilities. 

Pandora radio app... in the kommanders opinion, the best streaming music out there. 

Movies by flixter app... before leading the staff to the local tri-plex, the Kommander will first vett out feature 

with this app. 

Metalstorm wingman app... The kommander likes to leave his ground troops and soar like an eagle. 

Reuters news Pro app... very up to date breaking news. 

PBS for ipad app... because the Kommander wants to get something for his tax dollars 

This should keep you busy for awhile. 

If the Kommander thinks of any others, he will let you know via the wide world web 

Kaos out 




24100 vinmoet 2012-03-13 14:33:03 Alright. Spring break coming up. Saturday we fly into San Diego staying with friends in Rancho Verde, a 

subdivison at the North part of San Diego. Its still chilly there but have been advised that the pool temp is being 

turned up to 81 in my honor. 

Mrs. V. is cooking Saturday night, Sunday night is couples night out, Monday night staying in again, Tuesday night 

going out. Our friends pick all of the restaurants. All I know is that upon arrival my 8yo wants fish tacos at Los 

Panchos by the airport. I'm in agreement only add a Corona to that order. 

Depart Wed. a.m. and will travel North along the coast staying that night in San Luis Obispo. Home of Cal Ply 

Tech I think. Driven by it, never stayed there. Unless I get other feedback, my internet search indicates that we 

will eat dinner at http://www.bigskycafe.com or, less likely, http://www.novorestaurant.com 

Thursday a.m. have a family horseback ride through the dunes and on the beach. Am very excited about that. 

Horses on the beach, not a common thing. After that, the Monteray Bay Aquarium. That night, China town in 

San Francisco. Friday night Mrs. V is researching a restaurant...hmmmm she still hasn't gotten that done...am 

worrying about reservations issues. Well, I always have Chinatown. Saturday afternoon back to Chicago. 

Sat & Sun night in San Diego will be old Bordeaux nights. After that, strictly Cali wines for old VM. 

24101 luddite 2012-03-13 15:51:35 @mr21cbs: Gave Mrs. Luddite the iPad for Valentine's day. She recommends: 

Evernote: All of your notes, web clips, files and images are made available on every device and computer you 

use. http://www.evernote.com/ 

Smithsonian Channel 

Kindle 

MLB at bat 2012 

Penultimate: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/penultimate/id354098826?mt=8 

24102 vinmoet 2012-03-13 15:52:01 I made two back up reservations: 

http://www.boulevardrestaurant.com/ 

and http://www.fireflyrestaurant.com 

Any San Fran recommendations? Want Cali inspired/style food... 




24103 TonyO 2012-03-13 16:34:01 @vin: I am no expert on San Fran (maybe BaroloDude will chime in...) but I really like this place alot, 

www.scalasbistro.com 

Hard to go wrong in SF 

24104 vinmoet 2012-03-13 16:52:12 TonyO: That looks truly wonderful, thanks for the suggestion. However, that menu is Italian and I am looking 

more for something Californian, whatever that is (organic herb massaged tofu on a bed of biodynamic seaweed 

infused with reclaimed hickory wood smoke prepared by a yoga instructor bio chef transported in a Prius). Or 

something to that effect. All that when all I really want is a fish taco and a beer, right? Well, maybe some of that 

pasta too... 

24106 TonyO 2012-03-13 20:17:39 @vinmoet: yeah, hard to define "california cuisine".....just avoid the tourst trap "chowder in a bread bowl" ! I 

would however, not miss a trip to www.hogislandoysters.com 

Slurping down a few oysters freshly plucked from the ocean with a bottle of Sancerre..........GOOD GOD ! 




24107 BaroloDude 2012-03-13 20:36:59 vinnymo... Firefly is great. Good choice for what you are looking for imho. 

Harder to get into, and italian inspired but still a California take is Quince. 

"Situated in San Francisco’s Jackson Square Neighborhood, Quince is housed in an 1907 historically landmarked 

brick and timber building . Quince features a daily changing Italian-inspired menu that celebrates the seasonal 

bounty of Northern California" James Beard winning chef there too. 

I have not been to Quince yet but the inlaws love it. Cotogna right next door (and attached related to quince) is 

supposed to be even better and better value too. 

"Cotogna is a celebration of rustic Italian cuisine and offers a daily-changing menu of spit-roasted or grilled meats 

and fish, wood-oven pizzas and house-made pastas. 

Located in San Francisco's historic Jackson Square, Cotogna ('quince' in Italian) is a casual, lively venue and a 

compliment to the adjoining Quince Restaurant, Chef Michael Tusk’s celebrated fine dining establishment" Also 

hard to get into, but might allow drop ins and not fill up with reservations alone. 

I have not been, but have had recommended, a California style/French place called Boulevard as well (at top of 

Mission St). Expensive but supposed to be very good. 

For great eyetalian try Perbacco, Barbacco, Cotogna, La Ciccia (i am going this weekend!) and high end Acquerello 

(best italian wine list ever). There are other fancy ones but i think they are too full of themselves and charge too 

much. 

24108 TonyO 2012-03-13 21:12:49 BaroloDude chiming in ! Certainly beats my recs based on 48 hours in the city by the bay (please do NOT cue the 

Journey......) 

24109 BuffaloLou 2012-03-13 21:36:28 @Vinny - I hope you have a great vaca! Enjoy some great vino and some awesome food! (It's what vacas are for, 

right?) 

24111 Scott W 2012-03-13 22:59:26 @ Vinny one other place you can try in SF one of my fav's and it is all California, salads and homemade breads. 

http://outerlandssf.com/ 

24113 BaroloDude 2012-03-14 04:47:58 if you want to get really ultra Cali in SF, you go to Greens in Fort Mason. I think they serve a bunch of weeds in a 

bowl with dressing... 




24116 mr21cbs 2012-03-14 07:59:15 Thank you, Kommander, I will look into these. I am not totally novice when it comes to the apps, but there are so 

many and you will help me avoid stepping into kr@p while exploring what I really need. Appreciate you time. 

~ 

@luddite, I have been using Evernote for years, the rest of your suggestions are wonderful. I will check out the 

Smithsonian for sure. 

24117 vinmoet 2012-03-14 09:07:08 Bdude: Greens sounds huber Californian...I hope the salad weeds are free range weeds that consented to being 

eaten. 

Those are great selections. I am running Quince and Cotogna by Mrs. V. I have reservations at both Firefly and 

Boulevard as my back-ups. We are actually going to be in Monterey a week after you so the miss was bigger than 

you thought. Am bummed that we can't make the connection. Am sure our kids would have gotten along 

swimmingly at the Aquarium (what is their corkage fee there anyway?). 

TonyO. hog island sound fantastic. Oysters have to be really fresh for me to eat 'em, but when they are a dozen 

is just an appetizer. Am definitely putting it on a list for a future visit. 

Thanks for the input guys, I really appreciate it and will be mullin' it over. Sounds like I have to do eyetalian for 

lunch if we don't make it to one of the dinner places. 




24120 BuffaloLou 2012-03-14 13:29:07 Ugh! Stopped by LWS today to pick up some daily drinkers. Get home and I see that Woot has 2009 Red 

Zeppelin's Petite Sirah Black Zeppelin. $42 winery direct; $22.50 on Woot ($45/2) $5 shipping up to 3 deals. 

Here's some notes: (not mine) 

bacchusandbeery.com wine blog - Black Zeppelin is a “big boy” wine. Lots of Petite Sirah black jammy fruit, 

tannins and oak create a complex structure. A bit less black pepper than others I enjoy but still a good spicy 

flavor. As of January 2011, The 2009 Black Zeppelin was still a very young wine and it needs some time to fully 

develop. Be sure to let it decant for up to a hour. Note: To give you an idea of the quality, this received a 4.0 

rating; the 2007 Robert Biale Party Line Petite Sirah rec'd a 4.1 and the current QPR 2008 Bogle Vineyards 

Phantom A Proprietary Red rec'd a 3.9. 

Tastings.com - 91 points 

WORLD WINE CHAMPIONSHIPS AWARD: Gold Medal 

No surprise, I caved... 




24121 David T 2012-03-14 13:51:08 INAUGURAL COLUMBUS OHIO WINEBERSERKERS OFFLINE - Nick C's House 

(3/13/2012) 

Eight of us got together on a Tuesday night because I happened to be in town and many of us had never met. The 

overall theme was Burgundy/Rhone because Nick will be traveling there next month. The vast majority of wines 

opened ended up being Burgundy. I wish I could have dedicated more focus to each wine, but there simply were 

too many opened in too short of a time period (as if that's a bad thing). It would be fascinating to revisit many of 

these in five years as the majority were quite young. 

Champagne + White Burgs 

We opened a vintage Champagne while visiting on the back porch as everyone arrived, then moved inside for the 

first flight of White Burgs. 

 

2002 Perrier-Jouët Champagne Cuvée Fleur de Champagne - France, 

Champagne 

A very pleasant cream/yeast/bready nose, but that didn't carry through to the palate, which I found rather bland. 

Very fine bubbles. Others seemed to like this much more. (87 pts.) 

1999 Domaine Francois et Antoine Jobard Meursault 1er Cru 

Genevrières - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Meursault 1er Cru 

No premox problems here. Nutty along with anise and a rich fruit I couldn't place. Very rich palate. (90 

pts.) 

l h f "h // ll k / ? " " bl k" 

24122 David T 2012-03-14 13:53:17 I just copied/pasted my notes from the first Columbus,OH WineBerserkers Offline last night- of course multiple 

CT links immediately sucked it into the land of moderation-- it probably would have just been shorter/easier to 

post the following simple link 


24126 TonyO 2012-03-14 17:16:49 My friend is hosting one of the Owen Roe Wine dinners at his restaurant next week when David O'Reilly is here. 

As I am and old restaurant hack, I will be helping out and sampling the latest releases. I will be sure to post some 

notes (and pics if time allows). Hope to taste some of the latest release Chapel Block Syrah....... 




24128 McMalbec 2012-03-14 18:44:25 Adam has several 2009 and 10's Bordeauxs up on his website. 

http://www.empirewine.com/specials/best-selling-french-bargains-136/%20style=/ 

Are any of these familiar to you? 

24129 McMalbec 2012-03-14 18:58:44 Wow,my cell phone has been buzzing away! 

@Bob or other- 2003 Il Poggione (Proprietá Franceschi) Brunello di Montalcino Riserva Vigna Paganelli on WTSO. 

Thoughts? 

24130 mr21cbs 2012-03-14 19:03:02 @DavidT, your re-post from CT was actually labeled as SPAM and not in moderation. I took the liberty to edit it 

for the proper presentation as you used the Bulletin Board formatting on CT, instead of simple HTML, which is 

the way to post into WordPress. 

24131 johnR 2012-03-14 19:39:37 @BB you going to cop to the JJB reisling deal today? 

24132 BrunelloBob 2012-03-14 21:14:06 @J.R.: In for two, may wish I had gone in for more given the price... Great winos think alike? ;) 

@McMal: So sorry for the late response. Hope you grapped the Il Pog. 

I bought earlier on WTSO for $59.99 and may have advised at the time: "Buy this wine, Cellar it for 10 years, 

Drink it, Call me and tell me that you love me..." Mediocre vintage, but I Love the producer and Love their 

riserva. I dropped 94 points on the 1997... 

24133 David T 2012-03-14 21:21:42 @mr21 Many thanks! I did take a look at the html tags below before hitting submit but didn't realize CT had a 

separate HTML publish option; I'll be sure to use that next time :) 

24134 Johnr 2012-03-14 21:32:58 @BB..... Yeah i was thinking I was dumb for not grabbing a case. Never had an issue with JJB. 

24140 vinmoet 2012-03-15 09:15:10 MacMalbec: There are two '09's from Bordeaux, all the other wines are from the Loire, Rhone etc. I have not 

had either Bordeaux but the reviewers are very solid. These are table wines which will drink early. '09 is a 

vintage where this kind of wine will excel and be a great QPR. They would have a shelf life of a decade or so. 

They should not be confused with the much better quality at 3+ times the price which need at least a decade 

before you can drink 'em. These are enjoyable wines designed for food. Both would have my thumbs up. 

24141 vinmoet 2012-03-15 09:21:58 TonyO: Met with Mrs. V. last night. We settled on Cotogna which is only few blocks from our cheapie Chinatown 

hotel. Was able to get a 5:30 reservation which sounds early, but its really 7:30 for the midwesterners with kids. 

Looks like a very good recommendation. Thanks. 

24143 McMalbec 2012-03-15 11:46:36 @vin: thanks for your thoughts on the Bordeauxs. 

I fondly recall our first family trips to San Francisco in the 1980s and staying at the holiday inn in Chinatown. It 

was great a neighborhood then may have launched one of my children's study and use of the languages of China. 

Enjoy. 




24146 BuffaloLou 2012-03-15 16:00:05 Wine.Woot is offering preserves; My credit card is safe... :lol: 

24158 hinrgman 2012-03-16 12:48:37 Nice chardonay on Cindy today. 

24159 BrunelloBob 2012-03-16 12:55:38 Didn't the winemaker say something about the 2009s not coming together as he hoped? 

Or was that a different vineyard? 

24160 hinrgman 2012-03-16 13:12:20 @BB - waiting for Chris to post on the Cindy forum. Hopefully He will ans. some questions. 

24161 ptaylor2112 2012-03-16 14:05:46 Hi! 

First time poster here. I'm on a quick break, but wanted to let @BrunelloBob know that Chris Donatiello was 

referring to one of his 2009 Pinots not coming together. I think it came up when his '08 Floodgate Pinot.was on 

Cindy. Folks were finding Cellartracker notes that the '09s were $15 at Trader Joe's. 

And since I'm no longer a lurker, here's a little bit about me: I live in Crawfordsville, Indiana, a small town 

partway between Indianapolis and Champaign, IL. My wife is a chemistry professor at the local college (Wabash 

College), and I telecommute for a small consulting firm in the Washington, DC area. 

I am fairly new to wine. My a-ha wine moment was a 2005 Conde De Valdemar Rioja. At $10.99, I discovered that 

wine could be good without breaking the bank! Over the years, I've been able to move up my price point thanks 

to Cindy and WTSO. My favorite varietal is Pinot Noir. 

I also organize "Dudes on the Porch" a 2x-month gathering of, well, local dudes drinking wine on a porch. In the 

wintertime we take it indoors! :) 

Anyway, back to work. Hope to comment every now and then. 

Patrick 

24163 BrunelloBob 2012-03-16 15:52:33 I love it when we get a new avatar aroound here; those thinks Kill me. 

Welcome Patrick! Agreed re: the discount sites raising the quality of our wino-ism.... 

"Dudes on the porch" :lol: 

24164 BuffaloLou 2012-03-16 16:56:36 Welcome Patrick! Always nice to have a new inmate; it keeps things interesting! ;) 

Dudes on the Porch - great idea! We all need another reason to drink some vino! 




24165 BuffaloLou 2012-03-16 17:24:43 Looks like March is leaning toward being the warmest March on record for the Buffalo area. Our weather is like 

it should be in May-June! 

24166 TonyO 2012-03-16 18:49:40 What better way to start St. Patrick's Day weekend than with the greatest band to ever come out of the Emerald 

Isle: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6IsbOOlTNE 

24168 BuffaloLou 2012-03-16 19:40:39 @TO - I was thinking the same! 

24169 David T 2012-03-16 21:55:34 Inmates, GaryVee (Gary V with two E's) was right when he told you to expand your palate- Tonight I popped the 

09 Ciù Ciù Offida Pecorino Le Merlettaie https://winelibrary.com/reviewwine.asp?item=57484 and it is a 

stunning wine for $15. Bold and complex; 92DT and if WL had any more in stock I'd get a case. Unfortunately I'm 

drinking my only bottle. My full review here: https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1040965 

@BLou I completely agree about the weather- it was so nice in Cleveland today, after work I went for a walk on 

the beach for the first time this year; that's a first for me in the middle of March! 

@ptaylor2112 Welcome to the asylum! Nurse Ratched will be administering your meds soon... 

...Speaking of Patricks, whatever happened to Patrick Hill??? He seems to be MIA for almost a year now. 

24170 kommander kaos 2012-03-16 22:36:31 It should be noted that the Kommander kaved on the woot Red Zepplin last week as opposed to the qpr, Bogle 

Phantom. Of course the Kommander os familiar with both. @ the woot price it was clearly an easy choice to pick 

a far superior wine. Good call Ensign Lou 

Kaos out 

24171 BURGHen Boy 2012-03-16 22:58:00 @TonyO - Word 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSo9CC2wKVI&feature=related 




24173 vinmoet 2012-03-17 05:51:22 Patrick: Welcome to the asylum. We needed some fresh blood around here. Am tickled that we have a 

midwesterner here as well. Am in Champaign. Post often my friend. 

Am up much too early this a.m. in preparation for beautiful San Diego. Tonight Mrs. V is preparing eyetalian food 

at our friend's home there. I purchased some Chiantis for the event. Forgotten the wines' names and can't post 

now since they have been packed, but they are pretty well reviewed more modern styled. Will post later if they 

are worth it. Sunday night is couples night out w/o the kids. Normally a night for old Bordeaux. 1990 Rauzan 

Segla Margaux and 1995 Monbousquet Saint Emilion. 

After that, my friends have selected a number of Cali wines to cater to my grizzled old world palate. Am 

psyched. Going to search for Cali wines that meet the old VM seal of approval. Will try to post up any finds. I 

think Cali is stepping up its game as various makers are toning down extraction, lowering ABV and focusing on 

bringing out terroir. That's the future and some are starting to really get it. 

The only wine territory that I will be in will be Paso Robles and, given the family bent of the trip, I don't think I'll 

get any formal touring in. But that's OK so long as there is tasting afoot. 

24175 luddite 2012-03-17 07:34:39 @ptaylor2112: Welcome to the inmate that came in from the cold!! 

24176 BuffaloLou 2012-03-17 09:18:59 @vinny - safe travels! 

Happy birthday to our San Francisco inmate the Dude! Nice of the Irish to celebrate your special day!! 

@BD - Happy Birthday! I hope you have a great day! 

@kaos - always good to see your posts. Visit more often! :) 

24177 David T 2012-03-17 09:31:46 @BD Happy birthday! My mother and Wine Library's Jeff Paradise will also be blowing out candles today. 

24178 louas 2012-03-17 10:27:44 What a beautiful Duke-free morning it is!!!!!!!! 

24179 louas 2012-03-17 11:08:07 What suggestions could you give me for wine pairing with corned beef and cabbage? 

24180 BuffaloLou 2012-03-17 11:20:59 @louas - The kind that's made with fermented hops, barley, and malts... :) 

24181 BrunelloBob 2012-03-17 11:27:10 "Ding-Dong the duke is dead, the duke is dead, the Wicked duke is Dead!" 

(UCONN is too, but that's beside the point). 

Corned beef and cabbage = Beer. Preferably Guiness or Harp. Don't screw around with wine. 




24182 jpakma 2012-03-17 11:57:35 Happy St Pats day everyone! I for one am happy to see Coach K and the Dookies walk off the floor with a L 

especially since it was Lehigh that stuck it to them. @vinmoet have a great trip, my kids Spring Break is in two 

weeks and I guess the wife has scheduled us to a beach vacation in FL. 

Disappointed that Michigan lost last night. Wanted to see the B1G have everyone advance. Looking forward to a 

round of another 8-games today/tomorrow with some of that wine (ha) that @blou recommends to pair with 

corned beef & cabbage. 

My oldest son turns 15 this weekend - cant believe how fast they grow up. Have a great weekend everyone! 

24183 jpakma 2012-03-17 12:05:43 @ptaylor I'm relatively new to this site as well. I live on the Southside of Indy so you have several Midwesterners 

on here. I'd love to participate in an offline sometime if others are interested? 

24184 McMalbec 2012-03-17 12:21:58 @louas- GO Bucky!!! 

@all- our local wine lovers group is doing a blind tasting of 6 Amorones(sp?) tonight. I will report tomorrow but 

if you can direct me to some background on this wine, I would appreciate it. 

24185 BuffaloLou 2012-03-17 12:51:16 @McM - What time shall I arrive? :lol: Seriously, look for very ripe, extracted, raisiny, low acid. Typically high 

alcohol and may be ever so slightly sweet (we're not talking 'off dry', just a hint of RS.) Typical color of deep ruby 

red-violet. Typical aromas of plum, black cherry, raisin, spices, soy sauce, and chocolate. Usually med-full to full 

bodied with med to big, but often silky, tannins. YMMV. 

I look forward to your notes. This is my fav style of wine. 

24186 John O' 2012-03-17 13:40:24 HAPPY ST PADDY'S DAY TO ONE AND ALL! 

24187 louas 2012-03-17 14:40:57 Thank you all for your CB pairing suggestions. The "discussion" can now cease in my happy home. I'm going with 

Bohemia a most delicious cerveza de Mexico. 

24188 TonyO 2012-03-17 15:00:49 Happy ST. Patrick's Day to all ! Slainte and to hell with %^%&^ moderation ! 

@BurghenBoy: everytime I hear Rosalie (and it's often, trust me !!), I think of: 1. What a GREAT songwriter Bob 

Seger is 2. What a shame that Thin Lizzy is not more widely appreciated 3. How much that song kicks 

%$^&^*& arse ! 

Corned Beef and Cabbage tomorrow, tonight a Vermont pig roast and plenty of beverages. Don't drink and drive 

!!!! 




24190 BuffaloLou 2012-03-17 23:20:03 Just got back from an exhilarating Bandits Lax game. Went to dinner beforehand at a local "Irish Pub" where I 

enjoyed some Irish Stew made with the Holy Grail, Guinness. Of course I downed a couple of Guinness, too! 

Mrs. BLou enjoyed some Shepherd's Pie. The PITA to feed 13YO? Buffalo Chicken Wings. (I tried one; they were 

quite good, albiet not hot enough.) After arriving home I dropped 2 corned beefs in the crock pots (on low.) 

Potatoes and cabbage will go in around 10AM tomorrow. Relaxing with a Sam Adam's Cream Stout. (Wish I had 

a Guinness tap here at home; the can's and bottles just don't do it... ) 

24192 John O' 2012-03-18 07:45:02 @Louas 

Will be in Boston to support my Orangemen against your Badgers. Don't like our 2-3 zone against all the 3's you 

guys hoist up. 

24193 BuffaloLou 2012-03-18 09:53:15 Before the Bandit's game, outside the Arena, a photographer from Buffalo dot com came up to the BLou family 

and asked if he could take a pic for the website: http://www.buffalo.com/sports/gallery/bandits-swat-swarm-13- 

10/#49 


Sorry to break the bad news, but it appears your wife cheated on you with an Irishman. 




24197 vinmoet 2012-03-18 14:00:05 Greetiings from freezing rainy San Diego. Am roughing it in a hill top villa just south of La Jolla. Pool temp is 81, 

hot tub temp is 103 and air temp is very low 50's with rain and serious winds. 

Last night Mrs. V made Italian so as soon as I dropped everyone off, I headed to various foodie stores to buy 

fresh fava beans and organic whatnots. She made this very serious fava bean soup. Fry little bits of bacon, green 

onions, regular onions, add chicken stock and other stuff then dump in the beans. Puree it, and serve it hot 

drizzled with olive oil on the top. You've got to take the beans out of the pod, toss them in boiling water, take 

them out, and shell them before dumping them in the soup. Sublime. 

She then took bread crumbs that she had made from scratch at home, cut up fresh herbs and tumbled it together 

with fresh crab and gulf shrimp. Then she cooked these huge artichokes and we inserted the mixture between 

the leaves. After that she poured an herbed vinaigrette over the chokes and baked them. 

The pasta dish was basically a marinara sauce from scratch but it was very light. 

To drink we had the following: 

2000 Dom 

2007 Viticcio Reserva Chianti Classico. This is WS93 wine that was very fruity and, for me, too smooth and 

modern for a Chianti. It was excellent nonetheless and the magnum disappeared pretty quickly. I hate to score 

since I have limited Italian expertise, but I'd give it VM89 by my tastes. 

2007 La Maialina Chianti Classico. This is a WA91. A bit leaner and more Chianti like for my money. VM90. 

Tonight is date night with the ladies. I have to see a live production of Room With A View. Will take much vino 

24200 BuffaloLou 2012-03-18 20:04:41 @JO - But I am Irish (well, part... ) 

24203 mr21cbs 2012-03-18 21:40:04 Welcome, Patrick. We are delighted to have you. Take a look at the past QPRs, many of which can still be found 

and are drinking better than ever (http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/qpr-list). Also, some of the 

proverbs about current or recent vintages, varietals, and just talks that were worth preserving (IMHO) can be 

found here: http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/archive 

If you have any questions, recommendations, ideas, complaints, do let me know, as I kinda run this place... 

Cheers! 




24204 louas 2012-03-18 22:02:52 @JohnO: two really good coaches. Have no idea what UW is doing in the sweet 16. I guess they just don't beat 

themselves. That 2-3 zone has stood the test of time. I would imagine the 'cuse will be a 3-4 point favorite, 

which seems about right to me. 

Boston rocks! Have a blast. 

24216 luddite 2012-03-19 18:17:15 Hey guys, are you drinking more these days? Maybe this is why :lol: 

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/03/16/148744069/when-fruit-flies-strike-out-they-like-to-booze-itup?ft=3&f=121027244&sc=nl&cc=hh-20120319 

24219 BrunelloBob 2012-03-19 20:30:26 The third one from the left, on the bottom, kinda looks like Brooks.... 

24220 brooks 2012-03-19 21:41:39 Fellow winos, 

Happy Days to all! May your NCAA pool bracket be infected with victories beyond your madness to satisfy your 

need to feast at Bob's Big Boy. 

Holy Shi7 you would not believe all the @#&%ing blogs we have on the internet..I thought their was just TH 

and WL....how do people keep up? I am just blown away.... Facebook Linkedin Twitter WineWoot Blogers in the 

Congo. 

Prof Luddite, Best wishes to your Ohio State Hoopsters....the study for your linked article was actually conducted 

first in humans at UConn in the 70s. (I can not scientifically confirm this..but but..but B squared will tell us what 

really happened ;) ). 

WTF....where are the comments for the old CW blog. I justed looked up a previous wine purchased to check 

comments and they were gone!!!!!! MrCBS21,please tell me this is just a cache empty issue (that is IT talk for 

you non-hacks like me). I will be in NYC area and may have opportunity to visit the former temple for weekend 

Sat event. I am planning on releasing the two no longer needed lab hamsters in the WL store ( they both have 

name tags..Hamster #2 and Hamster #4 - I kevorkian me). Do we have these comments saved/downloaded 

some where or do I need to bring what like a mother board hard drive flash drive container to WL for a / file 

saved c: or or did the poetry die? 

OK sounds like the red rivers of great wine deals are flowing all over our great country. I may be wrong (and 

confused) but this TJs Q Cellar Lance and Windmills Petite Syrah (typo on label - Quixote) for 15.99 may be the 

24221 BuffaloLou 2012-03-19 21:52:11 I am so envious that we don't have a TJ here in Buffalo. The one coming in Rochester won't be selling wine, 

either! :( 

@BB - Well done sir! :lol: 




24222 mr21cbs 2012-03-19 22:31:01 @Brooks, I have a copy of the CW site with all the comments. I can burn you a DVD or a $#!7 load of CDs (it is the 

IT talk for a very large footprint. 2.76GB of all the junk and comment for a couple of years to be exact). 

24223 BuffaloLou 2012-03-20 00:02:24 @cbs - any way to set it up so we can download it? 

24225 A Frayed Knot 2012-03-20 02:07:51 Hello all! I thought I'd share my latest misadventure Texas Heritage Bulbs 

Not at all finished (now there's a surprise!) and nothing to do with wine........unless you are like Josie and like to 

drink in the garden! 

@Tony ~ Looks like the Hills are close to the 20,000 comment mark............this one is for mr21cbs............no 

bogarting! 

24226 BrunelloBob 2012-03-20 06:17:00 There's our Brooksie! 

24228 luddite 2012-03-20 08:52:15 @AFK: Best of luck in your new enterprise!! As soon as it's up and running I'll place an order! 

24229 wine magnet 2012-03-20 09:57:23 Tim/AFK: Your Texas Heritage Bulbs website is whetting my appetite, as I use lots of shallots (and too much 

garlic, in my wife's opinion). Hopefully they will thrive in the West coast of FL humidity. Let us know when you 

are up and running. 

24230 BuffaloLou 2012-03-20 10:39:42 @AFK - The garlic variety which I plant in our garden has the red/purple skin. Perhaps it's the Moroccan variety 

you have. It does well here, but does not get as large as it does in the South. 

We have so much dried garlic that we didn't plant any this past Autumn. I should have to have some fresh. 

Mistake. I might drop some in the ground shortly to see how it does. (We usually plant Columbus Day weekend; 

harvest Independence Day.) 

Anyway, your site looks good! Get that pricing up so orders can be placed... :) 

@WM - can one ever use too much garlic? 

24231 BuffaloLou 2012-03-20 10:43:38 Question for the day: Why is Windows so anti-productive? 




24232 ptaylor2112 2012-03-20 11:58:01 @mr21cbs – Thanks for the archived links. Someday I would like to try good Bordeaux. 

@luddite – Thank you. Your greeting makes me want to see “Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.” And now I want to 

listen to “Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones, Ltd.” 

@jpakma – Yes, I’d love to do an offline. Perhaps Vinmoet could join us, too. The Dudes on the Porch are 

intrigued... 

Speaking of the Dudes, last Saturday was best DotP ever! It was our 2 year anniversary, and our theme was "Hit 

Me with Your Best Shot." Brief asting notes to follow... 

24233 mr21cbs 2012-03-20 12:00:12 @BuffaloLou, hosting and downloading 2.76GB is not an easy task. Plus our friends at CW/WL will definitely 

object to that idea. Sorting out the images, stuff, and comment is a job for me that I don't the time to undertake 

right now. 

~ 

Windows is not counterproductive, you may be too advanced or too demanding ;) 

24234 BrunelloBob 2012-03-20 12:09:06 "DotP" :lol: 

I think we need to open an outreach clinic in Indiana, or whatever godforsaken place all you guys hang out in... 

24235 BuffaloLou 2012-03-20 12:31:41 @cbs - I was thinking something like a volume of split files (rar, hiJaak, etc.) so it wasn't directly readable w/o 

joining. Then again, it could be in a directory that is not referenced; you'd have to be given the link to d/l. 

Just a thought. 

24236 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-20 12:43:30 @ptaylor 2112 Welcome to the insanity! Feel free to post often, and ask any questions. We're a crazy bunch, but 

happy on our meds! 

@AFK I want to order some shallots and garlic, too! It's been a real mild winter. Will they grow in large pots? 

@mr21cbs I'm glad someone has the old musings and ramblings. Some of them were definitely priceless. I 

started to capture some a while back but never managed to finish. 

24242 John O' 2012-03-20 20:14:27 Major props to Flora Springs. Between the 2008 Trilogy Bordeaux blend and the 2009 Barrel fermented Chard, 

I'm sold. 



24243 brooks 2012-03-20 20:48:51 St. Stephen (Texarkana Version) 


Sir AFK with a bulb, 

in and out of the garden he goes, 

country garlic in the wind on the plain, 

wherever he blogs the winos will all pay. 

AFK drank tequila with lime, 

boy he does and he may recline. 

Did it matter, does he plow? 

AFK will take a chance as he needs to chow. 

Shallots wrapped in golden ball, 

he would answer in a southern drawl, 

Bell peppers on feast day now and then, 

AFK dressed for the market town and sower seeds and grain. 

Lady Josie, dressed as Snow White, 

writing "What for?" for a day in July. 

Leaf blight, carry lancers, 

undressed shrubs and bids the soufflé bye . 

Trembling Hills, a place that matters, 

we were all in shatters as CW had spurned, 

several reasons for their treasons, 

adapt you are wine lovers know, made it our own. 

A quick, poor effort to create a tribute for AFK efforts...he is the poet...I headline at Minnie Ha Ha's 

AFK best wishes with your new venture!!! Any chance you will be selling medicinal plants? Or opening a 

Farmacy? I will buy even if no free shipping! 

24245 mr21cbs 2012-03-20 22:14:58 @BuffaloLou, technologically it is not a problem. I have the resources to pull it off. However, judging by the past 

reaction to much smaller issues I will avoid a stench. Here is what I will do... I will clean up my archive from 

unnecessary stuff, post it on my private FTP server and will provide you with access credentials to download it. 

Then you can do whatever you want in the privacy of your home. If you or anyone you know is coming to the 

Philly Offline, I can burn a copy for you. Brooks will be getting his for that bottle of wine he promised :evil: 




24246 TonyO 2012-03-20 22:25:46 @AFK: best of luck to you AND, I will be staying far away from the Hills as post 20K approaches, with my luck, 

Biscuit will run across the keyboard as MR21cbs prepares to hit "Submit Comment" for the much deserved 20K 

milestone.................... 

David O'Reilly (Owen Roe) is in the Green Mountain State for the next few days so I will post any thoughts on his 

latest releases.............plenty of great food and drink the next few days (and the 85 degree weather is a 

bonus...when David was here this time last year, it was snowing).......... 

On another note, we are taking a long overdue vacation (rare for us to go away for more than a day or two)....we 

will be heading to visit some family in the Jacksonville, FL area and staying on Amelia Island............any inmates 

familiar with that area ? 

On yet another note, exchanged some emails with Karl "WhiteBurgundy" B recently............all is well 

24247 ny pete 2012-03-20 22:28:41 I miss Mobius. 

24250 TonyO 2012-03-20 23:03:38 @Brooks: I will be in your "neck of the woods" on 3/30.................be forewarned ! 

24251 BuffaloLou 2012-03-20 23:04:51 @cbs - You know best, and TY, that is very kind of you! I won't be at the Philly off line, so I'll take you up on the 

offer of the DL. 

"my private FTP server" - Nice! 

I notice Brooks' QPR sports FIBER. Just wondering is that gave the sale some, um, 'movement'? Hmmm... :lol: 

@TO - looking forward to your notes on the Owen Roe! Sláinte! 

24252 A Frayed Knot 2012-03-21 00:50:11 @Sir Brooks ~ Sweet...........medicinal plants?..........sorry no weeds in my garden! 

@NYPete ~ That goes without saying! 




24253 vinmoet 2012-03-21 01:58:15 Hey guys. Was finally sunny here in San Diego. Rented a boat and cruised around the harbor at Coronado today. 

The family had a blast. Watched some Navy Seals practice maneuvers, watched a harbor seal play around, and 

toured the old Hotel del Coronado. Really love this city. 

Tonight we finally got to the '90 Rauzan Segla which was drinking very, very nicely. VM 91+. We also had a '95 

Silver Oak. It was enjoyable but I think it would be been better 3 to 5 years ago. VM 87. 

Leave for San Luis Obispo in the morning. Will be driving up the coast. 

24254 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-21 06:57:41 @Vinny My Bordeaux class is tonight. I printed out your thoughts on what we're tasting so we can compare with 

our own palates. Thanks again for the insights. Will try to post my impressions in the next few days. 

@cbs I would like to have access to the CW comments as well to try and finish what I had started a while back. 

Muchas Gracias! 

@NYP I miss Mobius, too! Wonder if he's busy living the rock star life? 

24255 BrunelloBob 2012-03-21 07:49:29 T.O.: Just yesterday we booked a trip for May to Longboat Key (Tampa). There's an Anna Maria Island right next 

to Longboat, for a second I thought you and I were going to the same place. 

I was in Jacksonville a few months ago, but got nowhere near the water. Real "old Florida" feel to the area, which 

I like. 

Please report back re: Amelia Island: We're looking for "new" beach hang-outs to visit in Florida. 




24257 ptaylor2112 2012-03-21 11:50:57 The Dudes on the Porch celebrated our 2 year anniversary on Saturday. Our theme was “Hit Me with Your Best 

Shot.” This was by far our best DotP ever, and our most expensive. (Normally we are in the $12-$20 range.) The 

wines were purchased in Indianapolis, Lafayette, Cinderella Wine, and direct from the winemaker. Any of them 

would have been the “wine of the night” at a normal DotP event. Here are my tasting notes. 

1. Joseph Drouhin 2005 Mersault ($45, Dude Howard) - A nice pleasant white to start the night, with a decent 

amount of butter and acidity. My rating: 88 

2. Ortman 2009 Sangiovese ($22, Dude Mike) - Too bad Ortman shut down their operations last December. This 

Paso Robles Sangiovese was great to sip on its own, but was terrific with the mini-meatballs my wife made. It’s a 

bit less “grapey/full-bodied” than traditional Sangiovese, but that meant it was also a little stripped down and 

lithe. My rating: 89 

3. Eberle 2007 Syrah, Steinbeck Vineyards ($24, Dude Howard) - Gary Eberle was the first man to plant Syrah in 

California, and his Steinbeck Vineyards Syrah was not a stereotypical Cali Syrah. It was fruity, but not a fruit 

bomb. It was nicely lower in alcohol than expected. It was earthy. It didn’t knock you over the head like a 

stereotypical Cali Syrah, which made it very pleasant. My rating: 89 

4. Barone Ricasoli Casalferro 2001 Toscana ($52, Dude Alex) - This Super Tuscan (Cab/Merlot) represented a 

jump in complexity from the earlier wines. It had so much leather, but in an aged, supple, well-taken-care-of way. 

As opposed to licking a suede jacket that’s been sitting out in the sun for the last 20 years. Very well made. My 

rating: 91 

5. Belle Vallee 2003 Rogue Valley Cabernet ($30, Dude Barry) - Dude Barry found this Oregon Cab hiding on the 

top shelf of a second rate liquor store, where it must have been collecting dust for the last few years. It was so 

smooth and plummy that it almost drank like Port! My rating: 91 

24258 john o' 2012-03-21 12:05:29 @Patrick 

The San Roman is the best. 

24260 BrunelloBob 2012-03-21 12:38:30 I'm only buyin' today's Cinderella offer 'cause I like the label. :P 

24261 David T 2012-03-21 12:43:05 @ptaylor2112 Those are some nice notes! 

: 

If any of the Indiana/Illinois inmates do decide to get together in/near Indianapolis, let me know- if I'm free I will 

make the trip. I would love to meet everyone and I have some friends from high school living there I am overdue 

to visit. 




24262 BuffaloLou 2012-03-21 12:49:17 Just ordered 3 of the '05 Zanzibar Sandra from CW and 3 of the '06 Zanzibar Sandra on the WL deal. Figured I'd 

so some side by side tasting. 

Interesting note: I checked on wine searcher pro and it appears CW/WL is the only one with the '05. Wonder if 

these came from the winery on a clearance/promo deal? 

24263 BuffaloLou 2012-03-21 13:11:49 @Patrick - Eberle makes some excellent QPRs; His Cab is also quite nice. 

The SRT is a big hit here and on the Forum. Fantastic wine. 

24264 wine magnet 2012-03-21 14:02:58 BB: Perhaps on your May trip to Longboat Key (West of Sarasota), you can make it to an offline or one of our 

local tastings in St. Petersburg, which is between Tampa and Sarasota. LB Key and Anna Maria are NOT old time 

Florida, but some of the Jacksonville beaches areas are still "oldish" in comparison. Some parts of the West 

Coast, like off Englewood, Cape Haze, Manasota Key (South of Sarasota by about 40 minutes) are still pretty old 

time. 

A bunch of local winos get together every Saturday at 2:30 for a couple of hours of blind tasting at a restaurant 

which provides good food, etc. for $10/ea and we each bring at least one bottle. Some of us with storage 

problems bring 2-4 bottles. We establish a theme each week (Rhone, Provence, Europe, Old World, New World, 

South of the Equator, etc., etc.. If you let me know when you are coming our way, perhaps you can make one of 

our Sat. events. We are probably 45-50 minutes North of Longboat Key, 30 minutes or so of which is interstate 

driving. If you just want to do a dinner at one of my no/low corkage favorite restaurants in St. Pete, we could do 

that as well and perhaps get some others to join us. If you contact Mitch at thewinetobuy.com on Stickney Point 

Rd or visit his website, he has some Sarasota area restaurants listed with their corkage fees. A few have no or 

very low corkage, and he can tell you the ones he likes. His store is probably 15-20 minutes South (via 

24265 mr21cbs 2012-03-21 14:05:08 BrunelloBob, I couldn't ignore the CW label either, and since the old deal for the 2006 Zanzibar Sandra Red for 

$17.98 was still valid, just like BuffaloLou went for 3 of each. I do like Washington State full body reds, and these 

bottles will make good candle holders after they are empty. 

24266 BrunelloBob 2012-03-21 14:46:10 @Mags: Thanks for the info and the invite! 

This is a quick-hit trip (3-4 nights) for me and the beautiful Mrs. BBob. We're looking to sit on the beach all day 

and gaze into each other's eyes across candlelit dinners (or beer soaked bartops) at night. I'd love to meet you 

guys and do a tasting but, frankly, I think the Mrs. is scared of my "internet friends" :lol: 

At any rate, a tasting wouldn't really be her "thing" and I really don't want to blow her off for an 

afternoon/evening on such a short trip. Sorry, and Thanks again. 




24267 john o' 2012-03-21 15:09:19 mr21cbs - I was on the fence about ordering a few of the 2006's. Your observation on the label put m eover the 

top. 

BTW - the 2005 is sold out. That was a very good deal for Horse Heaven Hills juice. 

24268 BuffaloLou 2012-03-21 15:24:19 @JO - Are you sure it's from HHH? I can only find that it's Columbia Valley. 

24269 john o' 2012-03-21 16:07:03 @BL 

yep, according to wine spectator on-line. 

. 

24274 BuffaloLou 2012-03-21 21:51:47 Today was the warmest March day in Buffalo since they've been recording temps at the NWS. Gorgeous evening 

tonight, too! 

24275 TonyO 2012-03-21 22:22:53 table for 4 tomorrow night at www.henofthewood.com : Mr and Mrs. TonyO and Mr and Mrs. David 

O'Reilly.........yup, life is real good ........sometimes I just have to stop and say Thank You for moments like 

this..............and by the way, the latest release of Owen Roe Yakima Red and Ex Umbris are stellar...... 

24276 vinmoet 2012-03-21 22:30:27 Am in San Luis Obispo...Paso Robles country. Did the Getty near Malibu earlier today. Going to a restaurant 

which features local wines http://www.novorestaurant.com/ 

Tomorrow we go horseback riding on the beach. Just what will cure my hangover..... 

WinM: Curious to see how off base I am. Have fun. Love events like that! 

24281 BrunelloBob 2012-03-22 11:51:04 @TO.: You buyin' dinner, O' Reilly bringin' the wine? 

24282 wine magnet 2012-03-22 12:26:43 Vinny: Sorry I didn't know you were considering the Getty Villa tour. My sister lives close by and has been a 

docent/volunteer there for at least 25-30 years, and might have even been your guide, if you had one. It was 

closed for several years while they did a major renovation, and is really nice now, especially if you are interested 

in antiquities, which are featured at the Villa. The huge Getty complex by the 405 has the contemporary art for 

the most part and is more than a day long visit. Both are a testament to an eccentric billionaire who wanted to 

share his art with the public by making these magnificent collections free of admission charges. 

24283 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-22 14:50:42 Happy, Happy Day! My case of Kaella Rose' arrived today! One is already chilling in the fridge. Can't wait a month 

to try this out, travel shock be damned! 

24284 Phredd 2012-03-22 16:24:30 OK, now I know we have to schedule another NC Cindy event. 

24285 TonyO 2012-03-22 17:42:18 Dinner and wine on David (based on my excessive purchases of his wines I'm sure...ha ha)....should be a great 

night at a great restaurant (Eric the chef owner is a finalist for the James Beard Award this year). I will share any 

events worth posting ! Cheers ! 



24286 BaroloDude 2012-03-22 17:57:28 thanks for the happy wishes Ludds and all. I am old. 


Dulcamara is just meh for an all-bord grape Supertuscan, lets see how it does after an overnight rest. A dab of 

Sangio always helps imho. 

Had an OUTSTANDING Dettori Bianco Badde Nigolosu (Vermentino) for the big bday dinner at La CIccia in SF (a 

sardinian restaurant, so why not a sardinian wine!) 

A wild "orange style" wine that stood up to pasta with tomato sauce, meat, fish, salume and all sorts of things... I 

will have to track more down. 

It looked like unfiltered apple juice, and was a bit odd at first (you gotta believe)... then it kept morphing in the 

glass 3-4 times over the 2hrs we had it. Fantastic experience. 

Nerd wine for sure. 

24288 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-22 20:08:57 So I only get invited when I've got wine for at least one of the NC Winos? I see how you are now... ;-) 

OBTW, your wine is here... 

24289 BrunelloBob 2012-03-22 21:15:05 @DT: "No CT Link" ;) 

24291 louas 2012-03-22 23:39:06 Feeling some Badger pain tonite. So close, so very close. 

24292 jpakma 2012-03-23 00:27:15 That was the worst possession / shot you wanted just down 1 with 15 sec to go. Credit to the Orange for creating 

havoc in the zone. At least OSU represented the B1G. I need all of you rooting for the Hoosiers vs. KY. 

@vinmoet sorry to hear that Shaka Smart turned downthe UI job. Thought he was a good fit for the B1G. I like his 

style of play. 

For those of you that haven't tried yet the Copain Les Voisin wines are really great QPR wines. Just finished the 

'09 Syrah. Both the Pinot and Syrah are great value. 

GO HOOSIERS beat Kentucky! 




24293 jpakma 2012-03-23 00:27:42 That was the worst possession / shot you wanted just down 1 with 15 sec to go. Credit to the Orange for creating 

havoc in the zone. At least OSU represented the B1G. I need all of you rooting for the Hoosiers vs. KY. 

@vinmoet sorry to hear that Shaka Smart turned down the UI job. Thought he was a good fit for the B1G. I like 

his style of play. 

For those of you that haven't tried yet the Copain Les Voisin wines are really great QPR wines. Just finished the 

'09 Syrah. Both the Pinot and Syrah are great value. 

GO HOOSIERS beat Kentucky! 

24295 NaH 2012-03-23 05:20:23 @BDude RE Dulcamara 

Which vintage were you referring to? I have the 06 and rated it 80. I wrote "too bad I have 2 more of these, 

guess I'll be braising some meat with them." 

24296 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-23 06:05:30 Happy Birthday, DavidT! Hope you pop something incredible tonight! 

24298 luddite 2012-03-23 07:46:18 Happy Birthday to my fellow Buckeye fan. Enjoy your day!! 

@jpakma: You got it. GO HOOSIERS!! 

24299 john o' 2012-03-23 08:36:50 In Boston, now until Sunday 

The Badgers making 14 of 26 trey’s was our nightmare scenario, and we still won. Aside from 2 or 3 ball reversals 

and a couple of drive and kicks to #40 at the top of the key, they were long range with a man in their grill. With 

only 2 losses, we’ve found a way to get it done all year. 

Craft was a treat to watch. An incredible on ball defender. 6 steals, an OSU tourney record. I hope we negate 

that with 3 interchangeable guards. Craft can’t cover them all. 

OSU is favored by 2, and it’s hard to argue that, particularly as we are sans Fab Melo. We’ve been 

underestimated ever since we lost to ND and I’m looking fwd to a war Saturday. 

Oy a tonight for their sushi / sake tasting menu. Very, very pricey, but I’m told it’s not to be missed. 



24301 BuffaloLou 2012-03-23 09:39:47 @DavidT - Happy Bday! Hope you have a great day! 


Had some friends over last night. Most drink wine, but aren't 'into' wine the way most here are. So I popped 

some Cabs and one Malbec: 

2006 Soos Creek Artist's Series Cab, Columbia Valley, WA - Really singing now. Consistant results with prior 

tastings. 

2006 Baer Ursa, Columbia Valley, WA - As above, really singing now. Consistant results with prior tastings. 

2003 Joseph Phelps Cab, Napa - Wow, this was fantastic! Didn't take notes, but glad I popped it! 

2009 Ocaso Malbec, Mendoza, Argentina - I've opened the 'Reserva' before. The Reserva is a little better, but 

this is the killer deal at $12! 

Good time with good friends and good wine. 

24304 McMalbec 2012-03-23 14:54:31 @Louas: feel your pain but Bucky did us proud. Watch out for the Badgers next year, BT! 

24305 TonyO 2012-03-23 17:44:35 Last night: 

Food: 

Cripsy Oysters w/ horseradish aioli, fried lemon and parsley 

Sheep's milk Dumplings with roasted Cipollini onions, Black trumpet Mushrooms,and Pine Nuts 

Hen of the Woods Mushrooms, House Cured Bacon, and Poached Egg over grilled bread 

Grilled Rabbit loin and Leg with braised red cabbage 

Wine: 

2009 A et P de Villaine, Aligote, Bouzeron 

2007 Julien Guillot, Pinot Noir, Cruzille, Burgundy 

A great for the Mr and Mrs. TonyO and Mr and Mrs. O'Reilly..........incredibly nice folks making world class wines 

in Washington and Oregon...... 

24306 BaroloDude 2012-03-23 17:50:32 @ NaH 07 Dulcamara... it was a little better the second day. I think it just needs a bit more age. Not my style 

right now... very very drying on the mouth too. 




24307 BrunelloBob 2012-03-23 18:17:12 I think I just scored that Sancerre that was on Last Bottle a month or so ago (paired with a rose'?). $8/bottle. 

I had reservations when it first came up re: the age (2007) but someone on here (John O?) ordered it and said it 

was fine. It better be, or I'll find him and.... 

x 

OK, I admit I am finally jelous of TonyO' yankee. NICE meal! 

24308 mr21cbs 2012-03-23 19:01:46 BrunelloBob, I bought the Rose/Sancerre deal from LBW as well. FWIW, I did like the Sancerre a lot. Rose... not so 

much. Drinkable but I feel that I paid $10/btl for the Sancerre. You got a decent deal on very drinkable white. 

Feel free to find me if you don't like it ;) 

24309 BuffaloLou 2012-03-23 20:00:16 March 23rd - now the earliest date for a campfire for the BLou family! 

Campfire. Bottle of red. Nice breeze. Ahhhh... 

24311 kommander kaos 2012-03-23 20:53:50 The Kommander is also enjoying some r&r around the fire pit with the staff. Like Lieutenant lou this is the 

earliest campfire on record. 

For the record, the Kommander is unsure whether the oak fueled fire or the new ipad is keeping the 

Kommanders krotch warm tonight. 

enjoying a 2001 phelps insignia 

to celebrate this night. 

Kaos out 

24312 BuffaloLou 2012-03-23 21:53:21 @kaos - very nice choice on your beverage for the night! Nice to hear someone else is enjoying a "kampfire"! 

WTG! 

24313 TonyO 2012-03-23 22:19:09 @Blou: March 21; earliest day for AC to be turned on at Casa de TonyO ! 

24314 David T 2012-03-23 22:23:44 @all Thanks for the b-day wishes! Started out with a meh Italian sparkler (a VSQPRD made of pinot nero from the 

Oltrepo Pavese DOC which I think is a new one for me) followed by the 08 Clio which is very young but already 

quite nice. 



24315 vinmoet 2012-03-23 23:31:27 Bdude et. al.: 


In Frisco right now. Did Cotogna for dinner tonight. Everything you'd hope to have in a restaurant. Laid back 

attitude, limited choices, perfect execution. Italian with a Cali bent. Lots of Italian wine... but I'm in Cali...want 

"old world" Cali which, IMHO is its future. Two wines: 

Mount Eden Vineyard '07 "estate" Cabernet. The best Cali wine I have ever tasted. Found its terroir. No reverse 

osmosis garbage here. 92VM. 

Mount Eden Vineyard '08 "Domaine Eden" Cabernet. Very solid stuff...comparable to Ridge but not quite. 89VM. 

Have spoiled Mrs. V, but she said these are the first Cali wines that she really really liked. 

Food was fantastic. Gnocchi was so so. That said, Tortellini w/ asparagus simple but awesome. Same for pork 

belly with roasted quail. Crazy good wood fired pizza times two (so good, we ordered another). Petrale sole 

perfect. Deserts perfect. 

Spend some jack, but worth it. 

Last night, more boring. China town with Pekin duck and beer. Very, very good. 

Lunch today Tony's Pizza in North Beach. Coal fired east coast pizza on the west coast. Wins all kind of awards 

everywhere. We liked it... not sure we understand the awards. Maybe because we had no wine? 

Oh, well, life is rough. Thanks for the recommendation!!!! Really paid off. Leave for home tomorrow. 

Ciao from Cali. 

24319 BrunelloBob 2012-03-24 07:41:02 @CBS: Sorry for the mis-identification. Thanks again for the input on the Sancerre. Without the positive 

comments on here, I wouldn't have bought, and would have missed a great deal. Hard to get bargains on 

Sancerre... 

24320 BrunelloBob 2012-03-24 07:53:59 Vinny's turnin' this place into "Tripadvisor" :lol: 

(Keep it up, I love travelling vicariously. Tripadvisor's forums are some of the Best resources on the internet) 




24321 mr21cbs 2012-03-24 08:14:53 Kommander, et al. Viewing and posting comments from my new iPad. Very nice piece of hardware! If any of you 

would indulge me with your recommendations for apps, I would greatly appreciate that. 

Oh BTW, with the spring in full bloom we need white wine QPR recommendations. 

24323 BuffaloLou 2012-03-24 10:07:47 Associated Press, Cleveland - An 'Inmate" has been charged with infanticide after allegedly consuming a bottle of 

2008 Clio. "It was horrific, seeing one so young, so innocent... " reported Detective Brooks, "... it's cork, still firm 

and with minimal staining, was lying on the table. Not a drop remained. It was terrible." 

The alleged perpetrator, one David T, has cited his innocence claiming the wine was calling him, taunting and 

teasing him. 

Sources tell us that the Inmate knew the victim was still 'very young' yet knowingly committed this heinous crime. 

It is believed that David T will be represented by his cousin Vinny. 

More as events unfold... 

24324 BURGHen Boy 2012-03-24 11:11:49 I don't understand at best 

I cannot speak for all the rest 

In the morning rise a lifetime's passed me by 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=C8CHHsbCpP4 

24325 TonyO 2012-03-24 11:15:49 Australia seems to be fueling to market for HUGE wine (Molly Dooker..............),while many wines in CA,WA, OR 

are reacting by showing a more refined style...not the mass market stuff, but the owner/winemaker driven 

wineries that have pride in what they bring to market (and their table)..........bigger isn't always better (TWSS), 

but I think the days of Syrah tasting like Smucker's Blackberry jam are winding down............most of my local 

"wine friends" prefer French/Italian wines while I am the "patriot" in the group.............when we blind taste I try 

to focus on CA/WA/OR wines that are varietally correct and speak to area which they were sourced (and I do 

throw a few curveballs by sneaking in an occassional BdM, CdP, CdR, etc.) ..........at the same time, I have learned 

that there are certain styles/terroirs/varietals that I simply do not enjoy (Sav Blanc from New Zealand, high 

elevation Italian Syrah, most inexpensive Barolos, and very vegetal French Cab Francs to name a few) 



24327 BrunelloBob 2012-03-24 18:30:02 Figures. I love Marlborough S.B. :lol: (the "gin and tonic" of wine) 


(OK, Full disclosure: I do dislike cold weather syrah and almost anything vegetal. Cheap Barolo can be OK, as long 

as you don't compare it to "real" Barolo) 

24329 BuffaloLou 2012-03-24 23:21:25 After a L-O-N-G day yesterday and a L-O-N-G-E-R day today, tonight it's a "La Trappe" Tripel. Delicious! I'd love 

to find this on tap somewhere... 

24334 TonyO 2012-03-25 09:14:54 @BB: it's our differences that keep it interesting ! I have had some SB from New Zealand that I liked, but they 

were atypical (it's that extreme tart/super grassy style that I dislike). Last night I paired my favorite SB, John 

Anthony (Napa) with some gulf shrimp sauteed with 

butter/garlic/madeira/vermouth/tomatoes/asparagus/lemon served over risotto finished with a great locally 

made ricotta......NAILED IT ! (picture on facebook).....opened up a 2010 Seghesio Zin (Sonoma).....better with 

some air, this one may need a few months to settle down or decant it to get it to open up if you have 

any.........once it does, it proves how great Seghesio is at making Zin, especially in the $20 and under range 

24337 luddite 2012-03-25 11:08:27 This seems to be the inmates NZ SB of choice: 


24338 David T 2012-03-25 12:01:23 @BLou ROTFLMAO!!!! 

@Luddite: +1 on that SB rec. O-H!! 

24339 luddite 2012-03-25 12:38:36 @David T: I-O!! 

http://www.osu.edu/O-H-I-O/ 

24340 vinmoet 2012-03-25 12:53:44 OK. I'm back. Crazy beautiful weather here in the Midwest. Spring about a month ahead of schedule. Cali had 

some pretty crappy weather but it was an outstanding vacation. 

Yesterday, we had breakfast on the way to the airport. For $10 kids got a prix fixe menu which included mixed 

fresh fruit plate followed by french toast (made from french bread) and an ice cream dessert. I had a three 

cheese omelet with fresh herbs and Mrs. V had eggs cooked in balsamic vinegar. All were performed at a very, 

very high level. Fresh silverware with each course and very attentive staff. Funky, trendy, modern, urban Cali 

kitchen. Would like to try for dinner later: http://www.foreigncinema.com/ Big VM thumbs up but not for 

everyday. Pretty eclectic wine menu...check it out. 

24342 John O' 2012-03-25 16:42:25 popped a 2000 Giorgio Primo Chianti Classico (before they made it a Super Tuscan). Cork smells gorgeous. 

Giving it some time to come back to life. 




24343 jpakma 2012-03-25 17:00:07 @cbs here are a couple of apps that I think are must haves. Flipboard, Bloomberg, TuneIn Radio, Pandora, Kayak 

HD, and of course Netflix. I do also use the Pages, Keynote, and Numbers suite quite a lot too. 

@vinny welcome home and yes the weather here in The Midwest has been outstanding. 

@luddite congrats to the Buckeyes and the Supernatural SB was a little gimmicky to me but I enjoyed my first 

bottle ~89. Just packed my last bottle for my Spring Break trip to the panhandle of FL. 

Took my daughter last eve to out church's Father-Daughter dance. What fun we had together, dinner at 

Cheesecake Factory, the dance, and then a post-dance ice cream at our local Ritters. When I got home I finished 

the last of my 2010 Orin Swift Abstract, which I have to say I found extremely disappointing and very one 

dimensional. 

Finishing up dinner prep - Korean Beef, Rice, Snow Peas and grilled Pineapple. I hope everyone had a great 

weekend! 




24344 vinmoet 2012-03-25 18:04:48 I did a little research on the Mount Eden Vineyard "Estate". Guess I'm not the only one who liked it: 

98 pts. Wine & Spirits: October 1, 2011 

"Open every stop on your cabernet church organ: Pure cassis. Mountain freshness. Baking spice. The pencil lead 

of Graves in that less-than-overripe varietal character. This is unadulterated cabernet pleasure, three words that 

have never come together in my mind before. Grown at an elevation of 1,800 feet, 14 miles from the coast, this 

vineyard traces its heritage back to Chateau Margaux, where Emmett Rixford selected cuttings for La Questa in 

the 1890s. Martin Ray propagated cuttings from those vines to plant Mount Eden in the 1940s, replanted in the 

1980s with a selection from Ray’s vines. Between the cool site, the exceptional vintage and the pedigree of the 

vines, this is a true California classic." 

93 pts. Stephen Tanzer’s International Wine Cellar: May/Jun 2011 "Bright ruby. Seductive aromas of red- and 

blackcurrant, singed plum, mocha and minerals, with a smoky overtone. Sappy and smooth in the mouth, with a 

compelling sweetness to its layered dark berry and cherry flavors. Deep but very energetic, with Pauillac-like iron 

and tobacco notes and building floral character. The finish is gently tannic, sweet and extremely long. There’s 

14% merlot and 1.5% each of cabernet franc and petit verdot in here." 

91 pts. Robert Parker’s The Wine Advocate: August, 2011 

"The Mount Eden 2007 Cabernet Sauvignon Estate possesses a solid core of dark red fruit supported by firm yet 

well-integrated tannins. It is a typical mountain vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon that needs time in the bottle to 

come together. The finish is sweet and inviting. The blend is 83% Cabernet Sauvignon, 14% Merlot and 1.5% each 

Cabernet Franc and Petit Verdot. Anticipated maturity: 2014–2022." 

24346 NaH 2012-03-25 18:46:21 So proud of my 11 year old daughter! 

While I drank the 15th Edition Sokol Blosser Evolution with dinner, I gave her my glass to sample. 

She did a perfect swirl, performed a proper sniffy snif and proceeded to tell me she smelled pineapple and 

peaches. 

I love her so much!! LOL 

24347 BrunelloBob 2012-03-25 19:34:35 @Nah: Maybe she can teach me how to do that "perfect swirl", I Still don't have it figured out... 




24348 ptaylor2112 2012-03-25 19:46:22 @vinmoet - Binny's carries the Mount Eden Chard (Edna Valley). Perhaps they can get the Cab. 

@jpakma - I, too, went to a Father-Daughter dance with my 7 yr old. I hadn't given it much thought until my wife 

mentioned she still remembers going to one with her dad. We made it a double-date with a friend of hers. It was 

great! 

@everyone - I opened the Donatiello 2008 Floodgate Vineyard Russian River Valley ($25 on Cindy) on Friday 

night. I can safely say it was worth it. The wine was disjointed at the intial pop, with a bit too much acid and an 

odd finish. Dude Howard suggested we put it in the fridge for about 10 minutes, and that did the trick. The 

mouthfeel improved dramatically, the acidity was more balanced, and the finish improved. It was lighter than I 

would have expected for a Cali Pinot, which was a pleasant surprise. We drank the whole thing over the course of 

an hour, so I don't know how it would do on the 2nd day. (Funny how that always happens to me.) My rating: 89- 

90. 

24349 David T 2012-03-25 20:31:17 @NaH I can relate- Mrs DT probably drinks about as much wine as your daughter, but every time she does and I 

ask her what she thinks, the flavors she mentions are always exactly the same if not as in depth as mine, even 

without me saying anything first- i.e. she will pick out peaches & vanilla but doesn't go so far as the acidity 

level/finish length. Still makes me happy as she is educating her palate & drinking a little something :) 

24350 BuffaloLou 2012-03-25 20:52:59 @DT - Had an interesting day and night. Just couldn't sleep last night and had some intestinal issues. Finally fell 

asleep in the wee hours of the AM. When I woke in the morning, I was having difficulty swallowing and breathing 

through my mouth. I knew something was wrong. Looked in the mirror and saw that my uvula was swollen so 

greatly that it was interfering with my tongue! Knew this had to be some sort of allergic reaction, but didn't 

know from what. Went to the ER as I didn't want to see what happened if the swelling continued... 

Long story short, I had angioneurotic edema. Dr said it was a reaction to the lisinopril. I've only been on it since 

3/6, and it never occurred to me that it was going to be the problem. So after a course of Medrol, Benadryl, and 

Epinephrine, and some observation, I was sent home. Dr said it wasn't common, but does happen. (Said most 

common side effect was a cough.) Said I was a mild case. Anyway, off the lisinopril for now. Gave me something 

to get me buy until I see my GP. 

The scary part was 'what if I was camping, ignored it, and took the lisinopril the next night?' Oh well, turned out 

alright. 

24351 mr21cbs 2012-03-25 21:26:19 @jpakma, thank you for the recommendations. Flipboard looks very promising. I do use Bloomberg, Kayak, and 

Pandora. Will give the TuneIn Radio a shot. Not sure whether to stick with the Apple products from the iWork 

collection or go for QuickOffice. I have a list of apps that some of my savvy co-workers are using, I can share if 

you are interested. 





2006 Rosenblum Cellars 

Petite Sirah Pickett Road Vineyard - USA, California, Napa Valley (3/25/2012) 

Consumed with consistent results. Beautiful wine; wish I had more! (See below.)(93 points) 


Petite Sirah Pickett Road Vineyard - USA, California, Napa Valley (7/10/2011) 

An order of magnitude above the "Heritage Clones" Petite Sirah, this wine is very rich, huge fruit with loads of 

blackberry and blueberry. Glycerin-like on the palate. Fills the mouth with fruit and richness. Full-bodied. Drinking 

very well now. Color is opaque purple-black. It might benefit with more cellaring with additional levels of 

complexity, but it's drinking so well right now, why wait? Will probably benefit with a little decanting. 14.8% 

alcohol is a touch hot on the tip of the tongue. Almost didn't notice it. Terrific effort. (93 points) 


24354 David T 2012-03-25 23:51:35 @BLou Glad everything's resolving- I'm too tired to type anything up in depth tonight but I will email you more 

info tomorrow. 

: 

I managed to get both my federal and local tax returns completed and filed tonight leaving just the state to 

complete this week... and scheduled payment for the four-figure sum I owe Uncle Sam- taxes suck... 

24356 luddite 2012-03-26 08:20:09 @BLou: Glad everything is OK! Thanks for posting this as I'm also taking Lisinopril (1/2 20-25 MG tab) for high 

blood pressure. Had heard about the dry cough but not about this! Would appreciate you sharing any info 

@David T provides... 



24358 BrunelloBob 2012-03-26 10:47:22 Interesting offer on WTSO: 

Silver Oak Cellars 

Napa Valley 

Cabernet Sauvignon 2007 

& Sonoma Cutrer Vineyards 

Russian River Valley 

Pinot Noir 2008 

2 Pack Special! 

$99.99 


I'm not saying it's a "good" offer, but I don't remember them doing "packs" before... 

24359 ptaylor2112 2012-03-26 11:06:38 @BLou - I've requested WTSO do packs on more than one occasion. Glad to hear they are trying it out, albeit not 

in the price range I had suggested. 

24360 BuffaloLou 2012-03-26 11:39:28 @DT & Luddite - TY! 

@Luddite - One of the things the dr told me is that people that take lisinopril can have this reaction at any time; 

sometimes years after starting it! Of course, many/most do not have such a reaction. Just keep it in mind. 

24361 louas 2012-03-26 13:12:13 No laughing. Please help me upload a photo into the comment section. Thanks 

24362 BrunelloBob 2012-03-26 14:47:27 WOW 

Serious Barolo 2 pack now on WTSO: 

Poderi Aldo Conterno 

Cicala Barolo 

2006 and 2007 

2 Pack! 

$169.99 

I was recently thinking WTSO has kinda sucked lately but... 

The Vac. they had up earlier looked pretty good too... 

24363 BrunelloBob 2012-03-26 15:03:11 I am soooooo trying not to buy that barolo... 




24364 McMalbec 2012-03-26 15:04:57 Welcome back, Vin (although you didn't need to bring back some of this yucky California weather with you!). 

As you suggested, had been keeping my eye on the 2009 Bordeaux sales. Gary has one up right now on his 

website, a Chateau Haut Brisson La Reserve, Saint-Emilion Grand Cru for $49.99 . Your thoughts? 

24366 BaroloDude 2012-03-26 15:11:40 ditto re the barolo deal . On winesearcher, the best price for 06 and 07 combined is >230bucks... so that is 

quite a nice price. 

But i have been trying really hard to put up just ONE "clean sheet" on the cc bill to prove to me and my wife i can 

do it! 

Trying....hard... to.....fight......arrrgghhhhhhh 

Vinnymo... glad you enjoyed Cotogna. Next time i recommend La Ciccia (sardinian cuisine, great wine list, good 

prices relatively speaking)... i cannot explain the weather... its been the driest winter i can remember, and the 

rain came out big time just in time for you... sorry chap. but we need the rain and snow right now or it will be 

drought for us. 

Looks like the Mt Eden secret is out. ;-) Just up the mountain from Castello and I (i think!).... one day i hope to 

visit... 

24367 BrunelloBob 2012-03-26 15:42:09 I have ENOUGH nebbiolo dammit 

24368 Hinrgman 2012-03-26 15:47:34 B² - Aldo Conterno nebbiolo???? 

24369 luddite 2012-03-26 15:54:53 And WTSO Platinum has a nice deal on the '04 Tua Rita Giusto di Notri Toscana (for a lower price than when it 

was on CW)... 

24371 BrunelloBob 2012-03-26 15:59:07 you people are drug pushers... 




24372 vinmoet 2012-03-26 17:17:30 McMal: Do you mean WL? They have this https://winelibrary.com/products/59905-07-chateau-haut-brisson-lareserve 

which is an '07 for $30. That wine I'd stay a way from, period. I might buy it for cooking at $15. 

At $50 it must be some other vintage. "La Reserve" was a GV gimmick which is considered a jaw dropper and a 

joke by any serious Bordeaux buyer. I think you can ignore the La Reserve on the label and just judge the wine by 

the Chateau and vintage. If its the '06, you are in safer territory but I would want to buy it for $30 or less. At $50 

you can find GREAT wines from '09. 

If you can give me more detail I could be more helpful... 

24373 luddite 2012-03-26 17:34:07 @vinny: Welcome back! @McMal was asking about the '09... 

http://www.garyswine.com/fine_wine/france/17914.html 

24374 BaroloDude 2012-03-26 18:01:17 phew, next TSO deal up, PAC Barolo gone, survived without a purchase. 

Now, if it comes back next month, as so many of their deals do.... 

24375 BaroloDude 2012-03-26 18:02:38 dare i ask what the heck "WTSO Platinum" is? do i want to know the answer? 




24376 vinmoet 2012-03-26 18:10:47 I've never been a big fan of this Chateau. That said, WA95, is an eye catcher. Suspect this is a pretty big fruit 

forward wine. If you are a fan of this style, this seems like a solid deal. I personally will not be buying it. Not 

sure who is at the bottom of the "La Reserve" this time. 

Here are Parker's complete notes: 

"Wine Advocate #199 

Feb 2012 Robert Parker 95 Drink: 2017 - 2030 $75 (80) 

The limited production 2009 Haut-Brisson Reserve ratchets up everything, from the color (inky purple) to the 

aromatics, flavor profile, and long, full-bodied finish. This is a brilliant St.-Emilion that tastes like it came from one 

of the great terroirs on the St. Emilion plateau. It is also structured and unevolved, and will benefit from 5-7 years 

of cellaring. Anticipated maturity: 2017-2030. 

This Chinese-owned estate (Elaine Kwok) has made their two best wines to date. I have liked these wines in the 

past, and these 2009s are quite an accomplishment, coming from a terroir that is not considered one of the 

better ones in St.-Emilion, sitting just adjacent to that of Jonathan Maltus’ Chateau Teyssier." 


Apr 2010 Robert Parker (89-92) Drink: 2013 - 2028 $75 

The more tannic, structured, and denser 2009 La Reserve is more of a long-term proposition. It is neither as 

charming nor fruit-forward as the regular cuvee, and therefore cellaring of 3-4 years is recommended. It’s 

24377 Hinrgman 2012-03-26 18:25:26 Wow! 20,000 coming up quick. Amazing! 



24378 mr21cbs 2012-03-26 18:40:55 @BrunelloBob: 

Welcome to Platinum! (BETA) 


Platinum is an invitation-only, exclusive VIP section of WTSO. It is here that our top clientele will have access to 

more interesting, often higher caliber, lower quantity private wine selections at 20-70% off retail prices. 

The format of Platinum will be the same as our Main site; one wine will be sold at a time until it is sold out. We 

may have one item only or we may have multiple items offered. We will do our best to have enough inventory 

to accommodate our customers spread throughout the country. 

Platinum will be open Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays starting at 1pm on the East Coast and it will remain 

open until we sell out or 11:59pm whichever is first. We may offer one or more items depending on recent finds 

and inventory and we will aim to have enough product to last through the late evening to accommodate 

customers on both coasts of the U.S. 

You, as a designated Platinum Member, will be allowed access to this club through your account. You must signin 

to your WTSO account in order to gain access to Platinum. Non-Platinum customers and Platinum customers 

who have not logged in to their account, will not have access nor will they be able to see that portion of the 

website. 

There will be no emails or Facebook posts about our Platinum deals. However, we have set up a Twitter 

Notification feed at twitter.com/WTSOplatinum. Please sign up with Twitter to receive this notification. You 

may also register your phone with Twitter and receive this notification via SMS text. This feed wll tell you only 

when a new item is live on Platinum but it will not tell you what that item is. You must login to your account to 

see the product. 

h l i ff d ill f b f d d i k l 

24379 mr21cbs 2012-03-26 18:44:05 Hinrgman, et al, kudos to everyone here for making it close to 20,000 comment posts. As soon as we hit 20,000, I 

will grab it, archive it and send everyone a personalized copy for your records. Feel free to drop me an email with 

your contact details if it is obscured in your sign-in. This place would never be the same without each and 

everyone of you! 

24380 mcmalbec 2012-03-26 18:50:18 @vin: it was a 2009. I will try to give you a link from my BB: 

http://GarysWine.us1.listmanage.com/track/click?u=214cf64ce2f306a25adcd55a9&id=fe4b284679&e=1f39f442c2 



24381 BaroloDude 2012-03-26 18:50:24 LET THE BOGARTING BEGIN! 

19976 

24382 BaroloDude 2012-03-26 18:51:02 doh 


19978 

24383 BaroloDude 2012-03-26 18:52:05 so i haven't been invited to Platinum WTSO? That's probably a good sign and a good thing at this point of way 

overcapacity in the cellar.... 

19979 

24384 David T 2012-03-26 19:08:40 @luddite I just emailed Lou & he can forward my email if you would like. Short story is angioedema is a rare 

side effect of lisinopril (all ACE-inhibitors for that matter) that involves facial swelling, usually the lips/tongue. It's 

most common in the first day to first few weeks after starting the med. Very, very rare but case reports of it 

occurring years down the road have been published. Of course you also have docs occasionally blame any 

swelling on the med to a fault of failing to rule out any other causes, but in Lou's case I think they were right for a 

number of reasons. You are correct dry cough is by far the most common side effect and in your case my 

recommendation is if it ain't broke don't fix it, but like Lou said it's something to keep tucked away in the back of 

your mind. 

: 

For everyone here, I'm always available and happy to answer any med questions/concerns including via email if 

you'd rather not post things publicly... dctietz at yahoo 

24385 BuffaloLou 2012-03-26 19:17:10 Something tells me we won't see or hear from TonyO until tomorrow... :lol: 

Tonight: '99 Araujo Eisele Vineyard Syrah - This is killer juice! First sips 5 min after pnp, and it's still surprisingly 

youthful, showing typical Cali Syrah flavors with layers of secondary and tertiary flavors. 

24387 ny pete 2012-03-26 20:15:21 I still miss Mobius. 

24388 TonyO 2012-03-26 20:16:14 I am sweating as I type this thinking someone is unleasing 18 posts and I will forever be know as the 

%&^*(&()* that bogarted 20K.....so, with that said, here is my final post until the milestone has been 

met: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT4nTq4htu8 




24390 johnR 2012-03-26 21:36:10 Def worth checking out Gargiste tonight, FX Pichler is worth the price of admission. Even after what I spend this 

weekend. 

X19984 

24391 mr21cbs 2012-03-26 21:39:19 AFK, if you are lurking in between building your new web site and enjoying that garlic aroma, come over and do 

the honors of grabbing the honorary 20,000th post. 

24392 Pats-Pwr 2012-03-26 22:26:34 Thanks to Brooks for the great QPR recommendation currently posted. I have tried it myself and it is a personal 

favorite of Mrs. Pats-Pwr. :-) 

Wow, The Hills is approaching 20,000 posts. Tomorrow will be a big day and I will have to keep an eye on the 

blog to see if AFK claims the honorary spot. Just 14 more to go. 

24394 A Frayed Knot 2012-03-26 23:32:45 I vote we give the 20k post to Sir Brooks, after all, the asylum known as Trembling Hills came from his Havens 

saturated brain............come on Brooks...........light this roman candle!! 

24396 brooks 2012-03-27 00:00:47 If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve. Mr. Moderator I yield my 

unused post to mrcbs21. I bogarted TH name, I am not going to bogart 20,0000 posts under the influence. Say 

good night captain. 

24397 A Frayed Knot 2012-03-27 00:04:06 mr21cbs it is!!!! 

for the record.............I Ain't The One! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIdRFEVS0QU 

24398 BuffaloLou 2012-03-27 00:09:09 @AFK - Great song, even greater band. I should be safe with this post, but I'll do a "refresh" first... :) 

24400 castello 2012-03-27 03:03:05 I could Bogart 10 more late night posts but I'll leave it for AFKMR21. 

Drink More Merlowww!!! 

24403 BrunelloBob 2012-03-27 06:28:47 Castelloooooooo! 

24404 BrunelloBob 2012-03-27 06:29:39 We should have a commemorative wristband...(with FREE shipping) 

24405 BrunelloBob 2012-03-27 06:30:23 That's it, I'm done, 6 to go. :) 

24406 Hinrgman 2012-03-27 07:47:42 Good morning everyone. CU after 20K. 

24408 David T 2012-03-27 08:08:41 Good morning! I'll bimp it one closer then I'm out too. 19,996, <5 to the next great milestone! Many thanks 

again to AFK for building the asylum & MR21CBS as the COO! 

24409 johnr 2012-03-27 08:31:05 See you on the flip side 

19997 




24410 mr21cbs 2012-03-27 09:13:39 Thank you All for the offer, but I will respectfully decline. As DavidT postulated, I am just a Chief Bottle Washer 

around here, a parasite that gains enormous knowledge, experience and entertainment from all of you. 

~ 

Perhaps we can expect some of our Lady friends to make an appearance to grab the headlines. 

~ 

As always, if any of our wine vendor friends want to drop by and commemorate this milestone with a special 

offer, we would be delighted. 

~ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLGhPHzxjc 

~ 

19998 

24411 ptaylor2112 2012-03-27 09:37:53 Tonight we're gonna party like it's 19999. 

24412 mr21cbs 2012-03-27 11:45:25 Congratulations to everyone for achieving 20,000 posts! 

Of course we couldn't have done it without AFK, so kudo's to him and whom ever was around him at the time to 

inspire creation of this blog. 

Special thanks to those who contributed so much of their wine knowledge, life experience (music, film, travel, 

sport), and of course unlimited entertainment! 

Kindest words go out to those who are no longer here. Hopefully they lurk. This place would love to have you 

back! 

I am truly touched, humbled and privileged to be a part of this community! 

Thank you! Спасибо! Merci! Grazie! Danke! Obrigado! Gracias! 

~ 

What will you drink tonight to celebrate? 

24413 BuffaloLou 2012-03-27 11:51:28 Whoo Hoo! Congrats! Party time! 

I was getting concerned there... If cbs didn't post, how long would we have to wait?! :lol: 

24414 louas 2012-03-27 12:40:30 @mr21cbs: 

1. to celebrate 20K and Ms. Louas' 60th b-day we will enjoy a bottle of Nicholas Cole Cellars 2006 Estate Reserve 

Walla Walla Vallet Red Wine (60% Cab, 25% Cab Franc, 10% Merlot, 5% Petit Verdot) 

2. My e-mail is louas09@gmail.com could you guide me how to post a photo in the comments section from 

Picassa? 

Or from another file. Making me loopy trying to make it work. Many Thanks 

And...Many thanks to all of you for making this such an interesting place to check in to! 




24415 Phredd 2012-03-27 13:01:02 JohnR - $360 is one heck of an admission price, even for Pichler. $60 per, no guarantees. Heck of a Mystery 

wine. (Glad I'm in after the 20K. Well done, all.) 

24416 NY Pete 2012-03-27 13:03:59 20,004 

:P 

24417 BrunelloBob 2012-03-27 13:06:03 Thanks to the Welch's Fiber for helping us "get through it" :lol: 

(I KILL me!) 

24418 mr21cbs 2012-03-27 13:26:55 @louas, happy birthday to Ms. Louas. I will post instructions under 

http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/helpful-info tonight 

The easiest and fastest way is to host your pictures elsewhere (picasaweb, flickr, etc.) and just link to them. 

Alternatively, which is what I will describe, you will be able to post under 

http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/great-escapes page, as you can not post images in the Comment 

section. 

24419 McMalbec 2012-03-27 13:59:34 @louas: sounds as if you have a nice celebration planned for your wife's birthday. Next year, I would suggest you 

step up and pop for a bottle of Badger Blush from the Botham winery in Barnevold, Wisconsin. 



24420 TonyO 2012-03-27 17:15:18 20,000, such a significant number as it represents: 


* the elevation that the grapes for Les Cretes grow at 

* the number of miles logged by the "bus" ( it has been so long that I forgot the name of it.....) 

* the number of steaks pan-seared by Kittysafe 

* the number of times I have dropped the F-Bomb on this forum 

* the odds of the Red Sox winning the World Series this year (20,000 : 1)...that ones for you BB 

* the number of Lou Reed songs on Brook's I-Pod 

* the number of times MR21CBS made a technical reference that I did not understand 

* the number of bottles in BLou's cellar (that he knows of.........) 

* the number of times GaryV apologized for ending the Cindy Forum 

* the number of hours since the last time Mobius posted 

* the cost of filling the tank in my truck 

* the number of roses in Josie's garden 

* my blood pressure when I mistakenly channel surf and stumble on MSNBC 

* the number of bottles of La Reserva at WL 

* the number of RX's Dave T has written 

* the number of garlic bulbs that AFK will sell this year 

* the number of people that _________________ has %&&*&(* off ( the name in the blank is 

subject to opinion) 

24421 louas 2012-03-27 17:17:22 @McMalbec: why wait a year? send us a bottle now!! 

24422 mr21cbs 2012-03-27 18:54:06 Sir Louas is sharing a picture of his Weber Grill in http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/great-escapes 

24423 Hinrgman 2012-03-27 19:08:27 More great nebbiolo on WTSO. 




24424 louas 2012-03-27 19:25:35 Why share a picture of a weber grill, you may ask? Because it is fitted with an attachment that turns it into a 

dual fuel burning pizza oven The combination of charcoal and hardwood achieves temps of 700+ degrees. Since 

the lid stays on the weber and you slide pizzas in and out the side opening the temp stays hot for 2-3-4 pizzas. 

We have been having a blast testing homemade dough, pizza joint dough, artisan pizza joint dough etc. Once the 

stone gets hot the pizzas take just a few minutes to cook. The heat stays outside, not in the kitchen. They have a 

great flavor. 

But best of all it has postponed my grand plan to build a wood burning pizza oven in the yard. That and the 

thousands of dollars the project was morphing into. 

Nicholas Cole just got poured into decanter. Had a sip. VERY promising! I think still a baby at 6 yrs old. 

Thanks for the assist senorcbs! 

24425 John O' 2012-03-27 19:30:37 @Mr21CBS 

thx for being the community glue. 

24426 TonyO 2012-03-27 20:55:41 cool I-Pad app our 7 year old found.............................The Night Sky.....on an incredibly clear sky (at least here in 

VT), the built in GPS will identify stars and planets.........tonight Venus and Jupiter are as clear as a bell............very 

cool technology 

24428 jpakma 2012-03-27 21:00:37 Congrats inmates on rolling the 20k mark! Wasn't willing to risk accidentally bogarting that post, so i just avoided 

the urge to say anything! Received my Bedrock delivery today and trying to avoid the urge to pop one. 

Drinking the remainder of my '09 Cercius - great CdR. Speaking of grills I have a Weber Genesis but considering 

buying a Big Green Egg. Anyone have thoughts on the BGE? I wanted something that I could use as BBQ, smoker, 

etc. other suggestions? 

24429 winex 2012-03-27 21:24:30 Good evening inmates!! Been awhile since I've posted but have lurked at times. Congrats on this 

accomplishment, especially to those who have been faithful to this blog. (unlike me). I've been training for a 

couple of triathalons this summer, so my computer time has been limited, and sadly so has my wine drinking. 

(This is not an apology!!) Enjoy all the posts & the entertainmnet here...so thanks for the ride!! 

24430 mr21cbs 2012-03-27 21:25:04 TonyO, I was told, have not tried it myself, that Star Walk is another very good astronomy app. 

~ 

John O', thank you, I try! 

24431 Scott W 2012-03-27 21:33:43 @Louas Thanks for the rec on the pizza attachment! I will be getting one of those and congrats on the 20k 

inmates! 




24433 BuffaloLou 2012-03-27 21:48:40 @Louas - That is VERY cool! Besides cutting a hole in the side for access, what did you do to make it 'dual fuel'? I 

must have one! (A man cannot have enough grills, ya know!) 

@Tony O - I use 'The Planets' app for the same. Works really well. Also gives satellite info. I'll have to check out 

The Night Sky, too. BTW, did you see Venus and Jupiter a couple of weeks ago when they were two fingers 

apart? Pretty cool! Last night Venus and the Moon were pretty close. I hope to see an occultation one of these 

days... The nights have been fantastic with Venus, Jupiter, Mars, and later, Saturn, in the night sky. 

24435 BuffaloLou 2012-03-27 22:20:43 @Louas - after some research, I see that the KettlePizza is an accessory you can buy. Neat! I still would like to 

know what mods you made to make it dual fuel. 

24436 Pats-Pwr 2012-03-27 22:38:52 Congratulations to all the Inmates at Trembling Hills for reaching the 20,000 posts milestone. This is a wonderful 

community of great people and I look forward to the next 20K posts. Cheers everyone! 

@louas: I'll take my grilled pizza with Ricotta and Sausage. Do you deliver? :lol: 

24437 AdamEmp 2012-03-27 22:52:59 congratulations on reaching this milestone! Sorry for not stopping by earlier...thank you all for your support and 

hope this forum makes it past the 1 million mark some day!!!! 

24438 louas 2012-03-27 22:57:27 @BLou: Dual fuel in the sense that you load up the charcoal chimney and let the coals heat up the grill and stone 

to about 450. Then you add hardwood (using pecan right now) which brings temp up to 750-800, then levels out 

at around 700. 

@Pats-Pwr: be careful what you wish for!! 

kettlepizza.com is your link for weber attachment 

RE: Nicholas Cole 2006 vino: I am now officially very sad that this winery is no more. One of the most satisfying 

wines I've had in some time. 

I cooked for the birthday girl tonite: Pesto pasta with shrimp from Puerto Penasco appetizer. Filet with wine 

reduction and sauteed spinach/mushrooms. Lemon bars for dessert. If this were not a school nite, we would be 

way past just one bottle. Happy b-day girl here. 

83 degrees, 9% humidity today. Already 2 inches behind in rainfall. Desert may burn up this summer when (if) 

the storms come. 

24439 BuffaloLou 2012-03-27 23:44:46 @Louas - what's your typical cooking time at 700 degrees? 




24440 A Frayed Knot 2012-03-27 23:46:17 @louas ~ Very nice grill app............at a lower temp that would make a great wood-fired bread oven! 

Currently drinking 2004 Chateau Lusseau Bordeaux ......very servicable......and reading about the master Crinum 

breeder Marcelle Sheppard........check out what she found growing in someone's backyard............and yes that is 

a dinner plate in the pic.......absolutely amazing!! http://www.marcellescrinums.com/html/crinumfound/crinum-amelia-garza.html 

24441 louas 2012-03-27 23:50:25 @BLou: typical time is +/-5 minutes depending on style of crust. The skill is learning how to rotate the pizza 

without 

tearing it or burning oneself. practice, practice practice. 

24442 BuffaloLou 2012-03-28 00:33:38 2005 Marquis Philips 

Shiraz - Australia, South Eastern (3/27/2012) 

C: deep ruby 

N: Earth, dead leaves, beef jerky, blueberries 

P: Huge wine, lush, velvety, and viscous with loads of blueberries, blackberries; Oak is well integrated at this 

point. Comes off as slightly sweet, but I think it's just the fruit coming forward (yes, 7 years old, and there still is 

plenty of fruit!) Enough acid to be food friendly. 

F: very long 

Perhaps drinking at peak, this wine has integrated and is balanced at this point. True to Oz Shiraz style. Need to 

try with some grilled fare. (91 points) 


24443 BuffaloLou 2012-03-28 00:36:46 @Louas - re: turning - have you seen these: http://www.amazon.com/KettlePizza-Spinner-Set-Easily- 

Inside/dp/B0057XRORW/ref=pd_sim_lg_6 

Seems simple yet effective. 

TY for the notes. I now have to buy this attachment. Oh yes, I also have to buy the grill so I can use the 

attachment! I don't think Mrs. BLou will mind... she loves 'Za'! 

24444 BuffaloLou 2012-03-28 00:51:19 WTSO has 2010 Ty Caton Cabernet Sauvignon Caton Vineyard for $20, FS/4. 

(https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1326988) - Been wanting to try his Cab. This seems like a good 

deal. A 'Newman' 93 seems high, even for him... 




24447 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-28 06:21:10 Wow, over 20,000 posts! Awesome! Congrats to AFK, Brooks, mr21cbs and the rest of the gang for getting us to 

this point! Hopefully 50K won't be too long from now! Sorry I've been MIA, spent the weekend immersed in the 

Hunger Games trilogy! Just couldn't put the books down till I was all the way through. Found a Kindle app that let 

me download all the books to my netbook. May not be quite as streamlined as an iPad, but it's a lot more 

economical and works just as well for me! Even cut down on wine so I could stay awake longer to read. Congrats 

to all and keep those posts coming! 

24448 smokenmirrors 2012-03-28 09:04:55 Congratulations on the 20K milestone! 

On the subject of pizza.... the 700 degree oven is like a traditional wood burning pizza oven temperature. 

question: where is the fuel located (alongside or underneath)? Have had great success with a combo of bottom 

heat combined with indirect heat although my temperatures never come close to 700. 

Inmates should keep their eyes open for the Last Bottle marathon today! 

Peace and Love 

24449 mr21cbs 2012-03-28 10:49:39 Louas, your pizzas have been pozzted: http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/great-escapes 

24450 Brooks 2012-03-28 10:54:59 Life is not a dress rehersal......hold fast to that which is good.....in lieu of flowers reach out to another...NOW! 

^ 

OK let's fire up this Howitzer...we can't take this wine with us ... although WP888 is trying...drink your best bottle 

that is in its drinking window and report back. Let's celebrate not only 20,000 posts but life! I will be doing this 

on Saturday with a friend visiting town. She and her husband have gone through/going through tough 

times...besides comic relief, I will be bringing the wine...going deep...way back..removing the cellar blockers ;) 

^ 

Viking Funeral definition has recently changed in Merriam-Webster's Dictionary 

Definition - Every Sunday in the Fall after the Vikings play a football game 

24451 SCKen 2012-03-28 11:01:59 I unfortunately have not been stopping by as often as I would like, but I am very happy to see my fellow inmates 

hit the 20K mark. Congrats to all that have helped make that happen, and for always keeping this a fun place to 

visit! 

24452 BuffaloLou 2012-03-28 11:32:22 @Louas - Your grilled pizzas look terrific! 

24453 mr21cbs 2012-03-28 11:47:10 My fellow inmates! 

Did you give up drinking wine? Did we run out of QPR recommendations? I am tired of seeing this prune juice on 

our page and our digestive systems will thank you! 

24455 hinrgman 2012-03-28 12:40:39 More quality nebbiolo on WTSO. 

24456 K is for Kate 2012-03-28 12:52:49 Congrats on 20K, everyone! I need to start hanging out in the Hills more. 

Anyone else trying to hit the Last Bottle Moving Mania Marathon and getting proxy errors? 




24457 BuffaloLou 2012-03-28 12:54:33 @KifK - Yes to the proxy errors. 

24459 mr21cbs 2012-03-28 13:07:25 @KifK and BuffaloLou, if LBW is moving to a bigger warehouse, they should be moving to a bigger internet 

service provider and perhaps a bigger server (farm). Otherwise we will see nothing but "proxy server errors" in 

the future. Success is a dangerous thing. 

24460 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-28 13:07:34 Yes, apparently everyone is getting the proxy errors, as both WL and WB are reporting the same problems. 

24461 K is for Kate 2012-03-28 13:09:10 @mr21cbs - Agreed that it looks like they need a server/ISP upgrade with their additional warehouse space. 

Now they have a black screen available for $0, though, so that looks like progress. ;) 

24462 vinmoet 2012-03-28 13:17:34 Man,CBS, you are fast!!! Already miss the Welch's. 

24463 mr21cbs 2012-03-28 13:20:59 Vinmoet, I told you that I was getting bored with it, no offense to Brooks. I will send you a mixed case of 

Grape/Prune juice if you really miss it ;) 

24464 BrunelloBob 2012-03-28 13:26:46 SIWBM = SERVER Imposed Wine Buying Moratorium. 

24465 K is for Kate 2012-03-28 13:38:36 BBob - Nice, but for additional clarity I propose the following: 

CSIWBM = Crazy Supercomputer Imposed Wine Buying Moratorium ;) 

24466 vinmoet 2012-03-28 13:39:15 cbs: Sent you a typo. Should be WA(DS) 90-91 not WP90-91. 

Can you mix some Metamucil (sp?) in with the juice? 

24467 BrunelloBob 2012-03-28 14:01:15 K4K :lol: 

LBW's doing the Vaynerchukapology (one word) thing. 

24468 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-28 14:43:48 Looks like LBW is back up... or maybe not... 

24469 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-28 15:51:58 LBW Marathon rescheduled for 11 AM EDT tomorrow... hopefully! Think Cory went off to kickbox some 

hampsters or something... lol! :-) 

24470 TonyO 2012-03-28 16:16:56 @Brooks: I will be in your "hood" this weekend..............I will be the jacka$$ wearing the purple jacket as this is 

the only time of year that Viking fans enjoy, the offseason............2-14 this year, and I am being optimistic............ 

24471 BrunelloBob 2012-03-28 16:20:07 Does anyone know where Brooks lives? 

I've met the guy, and I'm not sure... 

I think he may be "on the run".... 

24472 mr21cbs 2012-03-28 16:22:00 For those that hate to hit Refresh button here, LBW, or anywhere else, AND if you use Google Chrome browser, 

you can install an Auto-Refresh extension. There are a few different ones available but I found that this one 

works the best and have the configuration you may desire: 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/oilipfekkmncanaajkapbpancpelijih 

Have fun! 




24474 louas 2012-03-28 18:51:44 @smokenmirrors: The hot coals are configured in a C shape around the rear of the kettle. Then hardwood 

added. 

The heat is mostly indirect and a pizzza stone is used. 

Considering leaving out the stone and testing a couple of steaks for that Steak House crust. 

@Blou: Thanks, they look pretty good and tasted pretty good. 

24475 McMalbec 2012-03-28 23:01:30 Very quiet tonight, inmates. No comments on the Cindy La Gerta offer? Must be the fatigue that sets in at 20,000 

posts. 

@louas: Bucky's pleasedto have another good-looking quarterback in Camp Randall for the next two years! 

24477 NY Pete 2012-03-29 07:40:19 regarding the La Gerla BdM ... in. 

24479 mr21cbs 2012-03-29 08:41:34 McMalbec, that's not fatigue, that is hangover after too much celebrating ;) 

We could look on the bright side, but can't due to the headache. 

24480 louas 2012-03-29 09:23:31 @McMalbec: YES! Appears to be very timely hire. 

24481 Phredd 2012-03-29 09:26:32 Staying out of the La Gerla. I'll have to be satisfied with the one I already have. Too much wine not in climate 

control already, with summer on the way. Great offer, though. 

24482 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 09:43:53 For those needing more of the Bodegas Ondarre Reserva Rioja 2004, WTSO has it, again, for $11.49, FS/4. 

I just love their low buy-in FS deals like this. In for a for pack and change back from a U.S. Grant! 

24484 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 11:41:17 This Last Bottle thing is exhausting... 

24485 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 11:46:59 Some deals seem to last only seconds! 

24486 mr21cbs 2012-03-29 12:00:18 As far as the LBW mega-mara-tera-vinothon is concerned, I did setup the refresh to 30 seconds. It does run very 

fast, and frankly the price points require at least an CT lookup as I don't know these wines. I will keep it running 

on one of my screens, but my expectations of getting anything here are slim to none. 

24487 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 12:02:39 In for a Turley Zin. 

Have to move so fast, you almost have to "trust" the price... 

24488 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 12:08:48 That was a Real nice riesling I just missed... 

24489 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 12:34:58 Tried to get in on the Riesling, but couldn't. Never even saw the Turley. :( 

24490 john o' 2012-03-29 12:42:49 Lou 

Saw the Turley, took time to resaerch it and it was gone 




24491 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 12:48:19 I'm not sure if I want (need) to sign up for another flash site, so I have a couple of LBW questions for y'all. 

1) Is LBW a higher-end version of Cindy/TSO? 

2) How often does LBW do a "moving" sale? I presume this is similar to Cheapskate Wednesdays? 

3) What is your overall experience with LBW? 

Patrick 

24492 BaroloDude 2012-03-29 12:54:24 LBW has the best deals consistently. Great customer service. This is only the second marathon i can remember. 

they do not do them very often. Less often than cheapskate days. 

While they do occasionally sell high end wines much more often than Cindy or WTSO, they also sell 10buck wines 

a lot too, so i wouldnt' call them high end. 

24493 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 12:59:52 Thanks @Barolodude. 

They are based in napa, so the shipping concerns re weather etc. are opposite from a NJ origination. LBW 

allows holds for weather concerns too. 

and shipping is pretty cheap on multiple bottles... its the onesy twosy that is expensive (for example, you might 

pay nearly 10 bucks to ship one bottle, but shipping 2 or 3 or 4 only adds 20 or 30 cents to the shipping price per 

bottle after that.... reasonable really). Of course on marathons it seems all orders are FS! 

I still buy more from Garagiste, but LBW is my current fave site to watch and occasionally dabble in. 

Haven't seen the term SIWBM around here much lately, but mine is firmly in effect and today is gonna be tough. 

That La Gerla deal on WL was brutal enough to resist. 

I found this article on various flash sites, comparing the # of offers and the discount. 

http://www.winesandvines.com/template.cfm?section=widc&widcDomain=flash&widcYYYYMM=2012 

01 

Apologies in advance if the link isn't clickable... 




24494 john o' 2012-03-29 13:02:39 Pat 

Second BD's reccomendation of LBW. They're my favorite now and have really interesting offerrings. If you 

follow today, youll see a lot of them. They sell a lot of splits, which I Like. The only caveat is that the splits 

usually have a lot of age on them. the few problems I've had have been refunded immediately and without issue. 

24495 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 13:06:28 Several deals just came up (including a Pillar Rock Cab) that I jumped on as soon as it (they - as in both deals) and 

I missed out on both. Ugh! 

24496 BaroloDude 2012-03-29 13:16:34 and Cory from LBW is an occasional visitor to our wonderful site here. Although i haven't seen him post in a long 

time. He's no "adam from empirewine", but still a welcome visitor. 

Gotta love when the flash sites recognize our immense pull and influence in the world of flash wine sales... ok, 

BLOU's influence. Who am i to take credit... 

24497 BaroloDude 2012-03-29 13:18:09 I must say, i just plugged in Refresh Monkey to my Chrome browser, and now little windows are popping up in 

the corner of my screen after every update to LBW. Pretty cool. I am refreshing every 15 seconds, and 

sometimes the site changes that fast. holy cow. some of these wines must be sold off in one order. 

24498 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 13:34:11 Watch LBW's sale blow up the CellarTracker servers as everyone reasearches the same wine all at once... :lol: 

24499 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 13:41:26 Wise guy :) 

24500 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 13:46:22 The Tallulah offer on LBW has been up for about 10 minutes. 

The IT guy must have had to run to the bathoom. Kind of like a DJ playing "In-a-gadda-da-vida" or side one of 

"2112." 

24501 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 13:50:05 Tallulah's gonna shoot herself: Most unpopular girl in the class... 

24502 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 13:54:22 Got That reisling... 

24503 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 13:58:25 Picked up one of the Weinbach Gewurzt's for Mrs. BLou. 

24504 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 14:01:46 I'm logged in, and I get this little diddy under the Last Bottle Banner on the Home page: 

"Robert, we are toasting you right now. You're the best!" 

I never get love notes like that from Cinderella :( 

24505 K is for Kate 2012-03-29 14:19:51 Yep, no love notes from Cindy. I think she's lost that loving feeling. Mine on LB says "Kate, seeing you again 

makes me want to stand up and do a little jig. Thanks for coming by!" 

24507 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 14:30:40 "Last Bottle loves Louis! Thanks for coming!" My wife doesn't give me love notes... 

24508 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 14:31:35 Buying, Kate? 

I'm in for the Turley zin and a couple of rieslings. 




24509 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 14:31:44 Mine says "Stop refreshing the page and get back to work!" 

24510 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 14:32:50 "Your wife called, you have no space and are cut off" 

24512 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 14:42:09 "Wow, Robert, you are looking splendid today! Good to see you here!" 

(That one's Real, I kid you not) 

24513 K is for Kate 2012-03-29 14:45:55 BBob- I had to reopen my browser and now have that exact same message. I suddenly don't feel so special. ;) 

I have so far only bitten on a couple of things for pleasing my friends' tastes more than mine. Picked up the 

Laughing Magpie Shiraz and the Moon Mountain Zinfandel Port. The one's I'm tempted by for myself are a bit 

out of my budget at the moment. 

24514 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 14:48:47 K4: I like zin port, but that magpie is tough for my palate. Keep the viognier out of my shiraz! 

24515 McMalbec 2012-03-29 15:06:20 Has anyone done business with the Rare Wine Company? They currently have an intersting looking 2009 Sainte- 

Anne Notre Dame des Cellettes up for 20bones plus shipping. Thoughts? 

24516 john o' 2012-03-29 15:15:07 Mine: john, we are toasting you right now. You're the best! 

24517 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 15:18:12 "Last Bottle loves Robert! Thanks for coming!" 

(I wouldn't blame anyone who thinks I'm making these up, but...) 

24518 john o' 2012-03-29 15:30:57 twice now I've hit purchase and 1 bottle has been in my cart. when I go to adjust quantity, it's sold out 

24519 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 15:37:19 Happened to me too John. I'm just buying single bottles now. At least I can get one. 

It's like "rationing" 

24520 john o' 2012-03-29 15:42:00 "john you are much more handsome than BrunelloBob" 

24521 john o' 2012-03-29 15:42:50 "Brooks and Mobius are brothers from a different mother" 

24522 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 15:45:19 "Robert, John got the looks, but You got the brains." 

24523 BaroloDude 2012-03-29 15:46:05 2001 Chat. Ausone wow. LBW 495 

24524 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 15:48:54 Buy it Dude, so we can move on... 

24525 TonyO 2012-03-29 15:56:40 "TonyO, you better behave when President Obama arrives in Burlington tomorrow"................ 

24526 john o' 2012-03-29 16:00:37 Arrgggghhh: Livingston Moffett. It will be there for days. 

24527 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 16:03:34 “TonyO, you better buy the Livingston Moffett and go to Canada when President Obama arrives in Burlington 

tomorrow”……………. 

24528 john o' 2012-03-29 16:08:40 0 for 5. I'm due 

24529 mr21cbs 2012-03-29 16:09:01 The LBW moneython was worth it just due to the fun comments here! I need them to pause for an hour so I can 

drive home. 

~ 

"Back again? Michael, you're becoming a broke schmuck!" 

24530 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 16:10:53 "Back again? Louis, you're becoming a regular! Good to see you." 




24531 john o' 2012-03-29 16:12:24 0 for 7. Put me back in, coach. 

24532 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 16:14:48 These are going fast... 

24533 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 16:21:10 I'm holding out for the stuff on the floor in the bubble wrap. 

I Love bubble wrap... 

24534 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 16:23:12 @BB - come visit... I have rolls of it! :lol: 

24535 john o' 2012-03-29 16:26:02 1 for 8, I'm on a roll 

24536 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 16:26:04 Wait a second..... 

If LBW has all of these leftover short lots, does that mean that nothing ever sells out and that no one ever gets 

the $25? 

WTF? 

I'm going home... 

24537 hinrgman 2012-03-29 16:29:59 Anyone have any thoughts on - 

Feudi di San Gregorio Serpico Irpinia Rosso IGT 2001 

on WTSO Plat. 

24538 john o' 2012-03-29 16:30:13 2 for 9 (2 for 10 if you count my attempt to get a second bottle). 

24539 john o' 2012-03-29 16:34:54 @BB - perhaps cancellations when people sober up? 

24540 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 16:35:21 I am well below the Mendoza line (Mario, not Argentina) and this is getting frustrating. 

What is the normal frequency of LBW? 

24541 TonyO 2012-03-29 16:42:04 Evening Land has slowed things down......grabbed some Pillar Rock.......enjoyed the last purchase of that 

24542 john o' 2012-03-29 16:42:49 pillar rock was part of my 0 for. 

24543 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 16:43:36 @Patrick - today is a special moving day clearance so they're selling fast. "Normally" offers last anywhere from a 

few minutes to hours. 

24544 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 16:50:36 TonyO - I just missed out on Pillar Rock. So, thanks for nuthin'. :) 

I've had the Evening Land (Oregon and Cali), so I bit on the Bougogne. Plus it gets Dude Howard his $20 in referral 

credit. 

Puts me at 1 for 5. 

24546 TonyO 2012-03-29 16:57:22 @ptaylor: I will stay away from all the French and Aussie offerings, have at it ! 

24547 TonyO 2012-03-29 17:06:45 almost bit on that Phelps but think it might be tired............... 




24548 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 17:28:36 Cripes, I'm like 3 for 5. 

I am the new David Ortiz 

(that's for you Irish Tony ;) ) 

24549 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-29 18:00:00 Bit on the Evening Land, managed to get the Gewurtz even with server problems, tried for and missed the Turley 

(rats). I've figured out if you want something on LBW today, you have to take a leap of faith and go for it. If you 

try to look in CT, you've missed it... guess I'm going for one of each, as that seems to be the only way to get in! 

24550 K is for Kate 2012-03-29 18:11:26 WiM- I bit on the Evening Land and the Gewurz, too. 

24551 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-29 18:24:07 Kis4K: Also got 3 Pillar Rock juice boxes, but appears they're having server issues again... 

24552 TonyO 2012-03-29 19:20:10 The last time Papi went 3 for 5, Manny was being Manny and beer and chicken were being served up dugout 

style ! 

24553 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 19:49:26 Papi went 3 for 5, 

Manny was being Manny 

Beer and chicken were being served 

AND THE SOX WIN IT ALL!!!! 

(I hear Manny is available again...) 

24554 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 20:20:56 Opened the Il Balzini Super Tuscan from TSO tonight. It's a 50/50 blend of Cabernet and Sangiovese. Served it 

with flank steak and baby bellas (which got a splash of the wine). 

The longer it sat in the glass, the better it became. The Sangiovese tempered the leatheriness and oakiness of 

typical Cabernet, and the Cab muted the sometimes overly full mouthfeel tendency of the Sangiovese. 

If I see it on TSO again (for $19.99) I'd recommend it. 

24555 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-29 20:22:23 Got 3 Pillar Box "juice boxes" plus 2 Jonata Winery El Desafio de Jonata. Think I've had it for the night... but I 

don't want to miss anything... 

24556 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 20:22:48 Headline: 3rd Glass of Il Balzini causes ptaylor2112 to snag LBW Phelan Cab 2002. 

Hope it's good! CT notes are encouraging! 

24557 John O' 2012-03-29 20:28:00 what year, Pat? 

24558 BrunelloBob 2012-03-29 20:28:33 P.T.: Is that the white label or the black? 



24560 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 20:59:34 I Balzini White Label, 2008. 


And, by the way, to state the obvious, I know that my tasing notes are rudimentary. But I've never had a currant, 

I've never tasted cassis, or a boysenberry, yada yada yada. I just try to explain how my palate interprets the wine. 

And since I usually have the wine with dinner, along with my terrific wife and my excellent 3, 7, and 9 year old 

children, I don't have the ability to sit there and ponder the juice. (Ponder the Juice. That would make a great 

slogan.) I'm just happy everyone liked what I cooked! 

Anyway, hopefully my notes can help someone decide whether or not they'd like the wine. 

Gotta go read "Katie Loves the Kittens" the new fave of my 3 yr old. Kids are the best. Hug 'em if you got 'em! 

Patrick 

24561 David T 2012-03-29 21:16:12 So the ER was slammed at work today. Thus I haven't been able to check into LBW today much until the last two 

hours or so, and nothing has caught my eye. Unfortunately for me (fortunately for my cc) yesterday would have 

been a different story. I got a laugh reading all of the comments here. Mine is pretty boring in comparison- "Hi 

David, good to see you! You're going to love this great offer." and it's the 01 Barons de Rothschild splits which it 

seems were up for nearly a week the first time around, this is my second time pazzing on said offer. 

In other news tonight's wine was the 07 Cascina Gilli Freisa d'Asti as featured in WLTV # 884. Anyone else old 

enough to remember that show? Both the old Cindy board as well as the inmmates' very own BrunelloBob and 

BuffaloLou get shout outs from Gary V with two EEs (who's Gary?) as he discusses the wine. 




24562 mr21cbs 2012-03-29 21:19:48 ptaylor2112, I have 2 bottles of 2008 D'Isanto & D'Isanto I Balzini White Label Colli della Toscana Centrale IGT in 

my cellar. Today drinking the last bottle from a PA liquidation sale a year or so ago. Most were sold for $12-18, 

where the price tags on them were $36-70. Not bad risk/reward. Anyway, tonight with the pork loin we are 

drinking 2005 Cottonwood Winery Syrah Raya Jade. Here are my notes: 

2005 Cottonwood Winery 

Syrah Raya Jade - USA, Washington, Columbia Valley, Yakima Valley (3/29/2012) 

Wow, this one is big. Dark red color, no brown edges for this 7 year old. Chocolate mocha beans, blackberries, 

blueberries. It starts like a very good syrah, which it is, but finishes like a young porto. 16.2% ABV does not taste 

at all (I am sure it is there and will catch up with me). Solid wine. Unfortunately this is my last bottle and it could 

last another 3-5 years. Terrific wine! (92 points) 


24563 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-29 21:24:41 @DT I splurged and got a bottle of this: 2006 Domaine Francois Lamarche Grands-Echezeaux since it was from 

KMurph's favorite winery (remember when we were in the high end wine room at WL?) 

24564 jpakma 2012-03-29 21:38:46 Work kept me away from the LBW sale today, which is probably a good thing. I've been doing a tasting of several 

of the Kaella Winery wines this week: sangiovese, merlot, franc and syrah. I must say if you haven't tried Dave 

Butner's wines you should. I highly recommend both the sangio and the merlot. I did not enjoy the franc or 

syrah nearly as much. I am packing tonight for the family trek to the FL panhandle for Spring Break. Hope 

everyone has a great weekend! 

24565 louas 2012-03-29 21:40:38 I bit on a couple of the Rothschild splits. $9 to try a Pauillac for the first time. figured couldn't get hurt at that 

price pt. 

24566 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 21:50:48 I just bit on the Black Goose 2006 Old Vines Zinfandel Bartolomei Vineyards Old Vines for $12. 

It's always better to ship 4 bottles than 3. It helps the Fedex man keep his balance as he carries the box to my 

door. 

Yeah, that's the ticket! 

...and I just nabbed the Pillar Rock. So now I've got 5 bottles...That doesn't help the Fedex man with his center of 

gravity. What to do? What to do? 




24567 mr21cbs 2012-03-29 22:14:24 ptaylor2112, I got a word that the LBW money drainer is winding down. I also snatched a couple of bottles of 

that Black Goose Zin. My order had shipping added, so Cory will have to adjust it in the morning. They are 

exhausted but happy about unloading a ton of bottles. 

I did not get anything fancy or expensive... My purchases were: 

 

2006 Bartolomei Vineyards Zinfandel Black Goose (USA, California, North Coast, Mendocino County) 

2004 Nicholson Jones Cabernet Sauvignon (USA, California, Napa Valley) 

2006 Sans Permis La Petite Colline (USA, California, Central Coast, Santa Barbara County) 

2002 Edgewood Estate Cabernet Sauvignon (USA, California, Napa Valley) 

2006 Tallulah Syrah Bald Mountain Ranch (USA, California, Napa Valley, Mt. Veeder) 

2005 Wine & Soul Douro Pintas Character (Portugal, Douro) 

2006 Karl Lagler Riesling Smaragd 1000-Eimerberg (Austria, Niederösterreich, Wachau, Spitz) 

2006 Waterstone Cabernet Sauvignon (California, Napa Valley) 

 

24568 winex 2012-03-29 22:23:50 My day was much like David T. No time at all to check out the LBW deals so I'm bummed & my CC (& 

my wife) are very happy. But I love the posts from everyone....helped make a long tough day end with w smile. 

Thanks for being here at the Hills!! 

Drinking a Lemberger from Seneca Lake winery with parmigiano reggiano....nice juice for a NYS red. 

24569 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 22:38:30 I ended up with: 

- 2006 Bartolomei Vineyards Zinfandel Black Goose, Mendocino County 

- 2002 Phelan Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley 

- 2009 Evening Land Bourgogne (qty: 2) 

- 2004 Pillar Rock Stags Leap Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley 

Too bad I'm not much on Sonoma Pinot, or I'd snag the (apparently) last offer of the night. Oh well. This was fun! 

24570 David T 2012-03-29 22:53:45 @WiM Ahhh, memories! I do indeed, though that was one of the many LBW offers I missed. Also FYI I opened 

the Carles Priorat you gifted me last night (my bottle seemed to be NV though you have the 07 listed in CT). 

Unfortunately I must say the bottle seemed off; I hope that's not the standard you used when you say you have 

not had a Priorat you've enjoyed. I'll bring one that I've liked the next time we meet up. 



24571 ptaylor2112 2012-03-29 22:57:48 Managed to round out a half case after all. 


- 1999 Pillar Rock Stags Leap Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley 

24572 BuffaloLou 2012-03-29 23:06:29 I managed to pick up 3 bottles (two different offers) earlier today. I missed far more than I hit. Still watching on 

and off, but it's hard with "the general" around! :lol: 

24573 David T 2012-03-29 23:18:44 Now we're on to repeats that didn't sell the first time around. The very same Champagne that is up now was one 

of the first offers I got a chance to look at this afternoon. They should do like department stores with additional 

discounts each time it's offered on sale ;) 

24574 Pats-Pwr 2012-03-30 00:36:33 @WiM & @David T: I also have fond memories of our visit to the high end wine room at WL. That was a 

great weekend and the first time I met many of the Cindy & WL Forum posters. 

One question, Does anyone know whether LBW ships to Pennsylvania? I couldn't find the answer on their 

website and haven't heard back yet from the message I sent to LBW. 

24576 castello 2012-03-30 02:52:32 Nice reading through the LBW struggles. This place lit up! I also vaguely remember the High end wine room visit 

at the Temple. Those were the days my Cindy friends. I think I found Brookseses shoes. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh_h-KdbBrE 

24579 mr21cbs 2012-03-30 06:10:07 @pats-pwr, LBW does indeed ship to PA via FedEx. Cheers! 

24580 john o' 2012-03-30 07:52:02 After going 0 for the season through August, I was Mr. September: 

Coume del Mas 2003 - 500mL Quintessence Banyuls 

Valckenberg 2005 Half Bottle Beerenauslese 

Evening Land Pinot Noir 2009 Bourgogne 

Faiveley 2006 Meursault 

Louis Jadot Santenay 2004 Clos De Malte 

Pillar Rock Cabernet Sauvignon Stags Leap District 2006 

Barons de Rothschild (Lafite) 2001 Half Bottle Pauillac Reserve Speciale 

24581 BuffaloLou 2012-03-30 08:02:33 A quick peek this morning before my day begins and I see that the moving sale at LBW continues... 

Now to get the 13YO up and moving for school... 

24582 BuffaloLou 2012-03-30 08:05:14 @JohnO - Nice grab with the Pillar Rock Cabernet Sauvignon SLD 2006! I picked up the Valckenberg 

Beerenauslese when it was originally up on LBW, but haven't popped one yet. When I see these repeats come 

up, I kick myself for not trying one when I had the chance. 

24583 john o' 2012-03-30 08:15:37 For those near Rochester NY, Century's annual warehouse case sale starts at noon today and runs through april 

7. I've never attended it, but if they come across with some of their French goodies, it could be fun. 




24584 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-30 10:55:05 I missed some things I really wanted to try, but manged to get a few new things to try in the end: 

2 x Barons de Rothschild (Lafite) 2001 Half Bottle Pauillac Reserve Speciale 

1 x Turley Wine Cellars Zinfandel 2009 Hayne Vineyard 

2 x Jonata Proprietary Red 2005 El Desafio de Jonata 

1 x Domaine Francois Lamarche 2006 Grands Echezeaux 

3 x Pillar Rock 2006 Half Bottle Cabernet Sauvignon (love those juice boxes) 

3 x Evening Land Pinot Noir 2009 Bourgogne 

And in my order history, but never received confirmation of order so not sure if I'm getting it or not: 

3 x Domaine Weinbach 2004 Cuvee Laurence Gewurztraminer 

So I guess that makes me Ms. October! ;-) 

24585 McMalbec 2012-03-30 11:02:11 LBW on Friday: to borrow a line from an old Animals recording,...all the good things have been taken.... 

24586 Phredd 2012-03-30 13:19:35 Managed to avoid the whole LBW flurry, myself. It helped that some of the wines lasted only seconds. It kept 

me from serious interest, and I knew if I looked too hard, there would be trouble.... 

24587 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-30 14:00:33 I needed to decompress from work and the marathon had me totally focused on that. OBTW, just checked and I 

did get the Gewurtz! Looks like they're shipping out next week! 

24588 BaroloDude 2012-03-30 14:06:02 Dear owner of the TH handle on TWITTER 

pls follow me @BaroloDude for my wine related tweets.... NOT @dave_lieb unless you want to see a bunch of 

SF Giants, Cal Bears, Arsenal FC , IT Security and other ramblings. so pls unfollow @dave_lieb... cheers. 

24589 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-30 14:12:21 That's OK, Phredd, you know if there's anything I got that you want to try, I'm willing to share! 




24590 BaroloDude 2012-03-30 14:12:59 the only thing i TRIED to buy on the marathon was the 05 Gruard Larose that was on screen for literally 30 

seconds. GL is one of the few Bords i know i like most vintages. It was there one refresh and gone the next 

refresh 30 seconds later ... otherwise i escaped unscathed. I have resisted so many great Barolo and Brunello 

and other offers lately, its killing me! Any one get in on that Gruard Larose 05? if so , pls post TNs when you 

pop a bottle someday. 

The most tempting offers, aside from the GruLar above , for me, were the many nice looking Rieslings they had. 

Hoping they get more of those in the near future, when i am no longer 6 cases overcapacity... (garagiste biz 

model is evil!) I see some of you got the Smaragd... awesome. Never met a Smaragd i didn't like. 

Glad to see a few THers finished so well in the marathon! 

24591 BaroloDude 2012-03-30 14:18:33 Dear BBob 

re your comment "If LBW has all of these leftover short lots, does that mean that nothing ever sells out and that 

no one ever gets the $25?"... 

i think it means (1) they have less than perfect inventory controls... they find another box after they thought 

they were sold out, and/or (2) someone cancels an order before they shipped it. 

AND I MUST SAY, PTAYLOR2112 and Jpakma are fitting in quite nicely here at the Hills. Keep taking your meds. 

PT2112: I am reading a lot of Green Eggs and Ham, Pigtoria, and Disney abridged classic stories these days to my 

(now) 4yr old ... love it. She is now at the point where i can stop the story and ask her "what happens next?" 

and she nails it... The 4mo old likes to watch us read. Is the "2112" a Rush reference? Do you live on a planet 

in the SOlar Federation? 

24592 mr21cbs 2012-03-30 14:38:35 @BaroloDude, done. Unfollow and follow were executed. You better say something nice, cool or important in 

those 140 characters! 

24593 BrunelloBob 2012-03-30 15:59:34 Just found this at the Temple if anyone is looking to try an aged riesling. No experience with it, but worth the 

gamble to me given the price: 

https://winelibrary.com/products/65928-95-schloss-schonborn-kabinett-hochheimer-holle-riesling 

24596 WaitinginManassas 2012-03-30 19:17:41 Is everyone out standing in line for lottery tickets? What will you do wine-related if you win? 




24597 louas 2012-03-30 19:25:44 @BLou and JohnO: The Valkenberg is yummolicious. Sort of like a ripe apricot exploded in your mouth and 

stayed for a long time. Really nice. Enjoy. Hey Lou, it's friday nite...go ahead and pop one! 

24598 NaH 2012-03-30 19:31:31 @WiM re: winning the lottery 

If I win, I'm buying Wine Library and making Gary V my personal Sommelier! 

24599 ptaylor2112 2012-03-30 20:06:08 I was happy to get my 6-pack from LBW. Am anxious to get the shipment... 

We had chickin' dippin' tonight. Lightly seasoned and floured chunks of chicken breast, and a light pan fry. My 

wife (Ann) gave each of us a saucer, on which contained 3 types of BBQ sauce, 2 remoulades, and ranch dressing 

(for the kids). 

We dipped to our heart's content. 

I had it with the 2009 Kermit Lynch Cypress CDR. Just a taste, though, as the Dudes on the Porch are meeting 

tonight. I like the Cypress (my rating: 87-88), but it's a little heavy on the Syrah side. I prefer the majority to be 

Grenache. Anyhoo, heading over to the Dudes to polish off the Lynch, the I Balzini, and whatever Dude Howard 

and Dude Barry brought. 

@BaroloDude - We have assumed control. We have assumed control. We have assumed control. 

Y'all have a great weekend! 

Patrick 




24600 kommander kaos 2012-03-30 21:37:46 Your Kommander will be adding a few thoughts to the 1 in 15274790 chance of holding the winning ticket. 

1- the Kommander will seize kontrol of the NY Jets. Garrison Gary will bow before the Kommander 

2- the Kommander will seize kontrol of the wltv boards, where Kris Mott will be replaced with Michael Roytman 

3- the kommander will ise his newfound wealth to secure a wtso platinum membership. 

4- the Kommander will invite all inmates to the biggest bash, since NaH's Philly fun time 

5- the Kommander will devout unlimited time answering all wine related questions here in the hills. 

6- the Kommander will spend countless dollars, securing vertical vintages of all wines from A to Z. 

7- the Kommander will make the klam Vaynerchuk an offer they kannot refuse. 

8- the Kommander will close the cheese shop at the Temple, a dedicated vodka section will take ots place. 

9- the Kommander will start ' cocktail hour at 1600 hrs on a daily basis. 

10- the Kommander will press for DTC laws to be changed on a nationwide level, assuring all inmates that what 

they want, they can get. 

As always your Kommander is here for you. 

Kaos out 

24601 NaH 2012-03-30 21:45:11 @kommander 

Are you attending this year? MAY 19th 

24602 Mrpat56 2012-03-30 22:00:24 Hello all, I have not commented for a long time but lurk in the dark shadows. I head NaH mention May19. Is 

that the Philly wine dinner? Please keep me on your mailing list, I am hoping to see many of you there again! 

24603 David T 2012-03-31 00:01:15 @john o' Thanks for the heads-up on Century. I coincidentally am in Rochester this weekend and was already 

planning to swing by tomorrow! (er, today, just looked at the clock!). Hopefully I don't do too much damage on 

the cc.... 

24604 mr21cbs 2012-03-31 00:42:03 Kommander, you're too kind, but I don't think the Temple kan afford my services. Plus, I have komplete and total 

respekt for Kris Mott. Running a half drunken enterprise is not an easy task. Would love to meet you, Sir. Please 

kome to the Philly off line! 

24605 NY Pete 2012-03-31 08:25:57 kaos coming to the philly offline ... never. 

his cover would be blown. 

LMAO 




24606 BuffaloLou 2012-03-31 08:30:10 @louas - TY for the TN on the Valkenberg. Sounds like we made a good buy! Didn't pop one as we had a 

wonderful visit from Rick Hudak (RDHudak on the forum) and his lovely wife, Jo, and decided to pop other 

yummies. 

The evening started with a 2010 Kaella Rose'. Just as tasty as it was last Summer! Then, after putting back a 

draught Guinness at dinner, we came back to our place and enjoyed: 

- 2007 Dominus Estate 

- 2005 D'Alessandro Il Bosco 

The Dominus started slowly. She didn't want to give up her charms behind her 'ruby' slippers. It took hours (I 

popped it at 5:45; we finished after 11PM.) She was slowly revealing her silky, sweet black fruits, vanilla, dill, 

cassis, pepperoncini pepper, and anise. That was just her bouquet. The palate was revealed just as slowly, 

starting with red fruits on a rather thin mouthfeel and gripping tannins. As the evening marched on, the 

mouthfeel became more viscous and started to coat the mouth. She started revealing green pepper, and layers 

and layers of deep, black fruit, vanilla, hints of smoke. This is just a baby. I have one more left that I won't touch 

for at least 5 years. Wish I had a few more. 94BL 

The Il Bosco was rockin' from the pnp, or at least the bouquet was. Very close in color to the Dominus, the Il 

Bosco was a different beast; Vibrant, explosive bouquet from the pop, it changed and developed all night long. 

Cola, specifically 'concentrated cola syrup', was very prominent. With orange zest, smoke, forest floor funk and 

vanilla all taking a back seat. Rick nailed the syrah on the pnp (I didn't reveal what the wine was, and he guess 

Syrah from N. Rhone or Italy.) One the palate there was vanilla and blackberry. Meaty with sweet tannins. Nice 

acidity. Beautifully balanced. Enjoying this wine was like going on a tour with something different at every turn. 

Beyond the technical, this wine was just delicious. 93BL 

24607 BuffaloLou 2012-03-31 08:42:53 As always, a visit from the Kommander gave a good chuckle. 

24608 kommander kaos 2012-03-31 09:46:33 The Kommander points out to pfc pete, that there are better odds of the Kommander appearing in philly than of 

some low level grunt showing up 

Kaos out 

24609 BrunelloBob 2012-03-31 09:58:01 @Kaos: :lol: 

24610 John O' 2012-03-31 10:07:47 2007 Haut Brisson "La Reserve" Parker 95 for $54 JJB private client pricing. 

Haven't tried the '06 yet, and did not care for the '07. 

Is Gary V still involved in this? 

24611 BrunelloBob 2012-03-31 10:21:44 J.O.: If the Demigod (famous boreddough "reserve" winemaker) were still involved, would you be more likely or 

less likely to purchase? 



24612 NaH 2012-03-31 10:53:49 @JohnO 

I think anyone with $$$ can make the "La Reserve" 

24613 John O' 2012-03-31 10:57:05 @BB - less 


Notes from offer: 

Located in St Emilion, right next door to Garigiste Rockstar Jonathan Malthus, Haut Brisson has produced the best 

wine ever from what is considered to be less than attractive terrior, proving that dedication, hard work, a love 

for the land beautifully seductive wines can be made. With the help of Michel Rolland, this property has seen 

tremendous growth since Peter Kwok purchased the Chateau in 1997. 'La Reserve' is drawn from their very best 

parcels and barrels to reflect the terrior and to produce a world class wine. I have been following this chateau 

for a few years now and the 2009 has taken this chateau to the next level. 

Robert Parker, 95 points: 

"The limited production 2009 Haut-Brisson Reserve ratchets up everything, from the color (inky purple) to the 

aromatics, flavor profile, and long, full-bodied finish. This is a brilliant St.-Emilion that tastes like it came from one 

of the great terroirs on the St. Emilion plateau. It is also structured and unevolved, and will benefit from 5-7 years 

of cellaring. Anticipated maturity: 2017-2030. 

24614 BrunelloBob 2012-03-31 11:25:44 J.O.: You mean you have less faith in some dude from New Jersey than in the Chateau's experienced winemaker? 

:lol: 

(please don't look at my CellarTracker inventory and see how many "La Reserves" I went for :) ) 




24615 vinmoet 2012-03-31 11:57:14 Guys, this is complete speculation, so take it with a grain of salt and feel free to attack me as being wrong later, 

but: 

24616 NY Pete 2012-03-31 13:57:44 a couple of questions that need to be addressed ... 

1. The "La Reserve" that Gary sold from several Chateaux were wines that reflected him performing the final 

blending, ie. he increased Merlot from 60% of the blend to, say, 70%. 

2. This La Reserve here is the Chateau doing this on its own and making a special blend that uses only the best 

from its grounds. It is independent of GV or so I believe. 

3. Traditionalists like me poo poo this concept as a marketing ploy and sell-out. The Chateau should make its 

best wine, period. If it wants to make a wine that is from lesser fruit or young vines, then it should put out a 

second label. Historically, a special cuvee or a reserve wine is made in other appellations that don't enjoy the 

classification that Bordeaux has. Doing this in Bordeaux has the appearance of succumbing to less dignified 

marketing gimmicks. This is an old world, blue blood wine appellation after all. 

4. If you don't care about the label and only care about the wine, then maybe you ignore a traditionalist like me 

and just taste the wine. RP95? Whether you love or hate him, that's a heck of a score at this price point. While 

the "serious" Bordeaux collector pays 3 times the price for a similar score just because of the label you can drink 

the same score at a discount and not care. 

is kaos still wearing blinders? 

is brunello bob still dead? 

cheers 




24620 Shaftoe 2012-03-31 16:48:00 For those who purchased any quantity of the Cameron Hughes Lot 200, I have some encouraging news, at least 

from my own perspective. Last evening, I opened a bottle for the third time since purchasing, and the wine has 

improved tremendously since my first sampling almost one year ago (at which point I was not overwhelmed) and 

second a few months thereafter (which was merely enjoyable). The wine, to my palate, has developed 

significantly in the bottle, as CH initially promised, and appears now to be outperforming its price point. There is 

evident dark fruit, balanced by smooth tannins and light oak; in my view, this is a far cry from the overly 

extracted California fruit bombs that I tend to avoid. I am hopeful that this trend continues, as I have a number 

of bottles remaining. 

Regarding vinmoet's comments, I understand the aversion to Bordeaux's off vintages. However, I have a case of 

2002 Leoville Barton that I obtained below your $50 threshold, and I have no regrets with respect to the 

purchase. I have sampled one bottle already (way too young, I know) and it shows great promise. I concede that 

this may be an exception that proves the rule, and my experience with the 07's is quite limited and not terribly 

impressive. But a flat embargo seems a bit unforgiving; I would recommend instead to proceed with caution. 

24622 McMalbec 2012-03-31 21:15:17 Speaking of Bordeaux, received an e-mail from Neil at JJB, touting a 2008 Fonplegade Saint Emilion for $36.91. ( 

Interesting as he is there for 2011 barrel tastings). Thoughts? 

24624 David T 2012-03-31 23:22:01 Someone needs to remind Ohio State that you need to drink Gatorade at halftime and save Champagne for after 

the game. I can't think of any other explanation for playing a second half that poorly. 

24626 luddite 2012-04-01 06:40:07 "In victory you deserve champagne, in defeat, you need it." 

~ Napoleon Bonaparte 

24627 luddite 2012-04-01 07:01:09 On a much brighter note: Happy birthday to our senior inmate from the sunshine state and Mitch's best friend 

:lol: 

24628 mr21cbs 2012-04-01 09:15:37 Selling my Washington, California and Oregon wines to concentrate on the Old World. Thanks to Vinmoet, I am 

totally converted. Hosting a garage sale. Everything must go at pennies on the dollar. Oh, and free shipping for 

my distant friends and relatives. 

24629 McMalbec 2012-04-01 09:29:03 @ mrcbs: in 17 generations, you and I will in all likeyhood be related. Will use send with styrofoam containers? 

24630 mr21cbs 2012-04-01 09:54:01 McMalbec, if you have daughter(s) we can be related much sooner. Cardboard, styrofoam, bubble wrap... 



24631 vinmoet 2012-04-01 10:02:02 Sunday morning musings before I head to Church: 


cbs: Ironically, I am slowly getting into Cali...we are on the cusp of their best wines ever. The battle over the 

best is (and probably always will be) between Bordeaux and Burgundy. Will always love Bordeaux but like the 

development in Cali and like Oregon pinot a lot. Keep the best of what you've got and drink/trade/sell the rest. 

Evolve into buying some '09 Bordeaux. 

2002 has solid wines if you buy them at the right price but as a general rule, 2002 and 2007 are really wines to 

stay away from. 2009 is so fantastic that your money is really better spent on '09 over the next year while you 

can buy them. We've drunk our '02's and I just won't buy more. I am comfortable with a total ban on both 

vintages unless you like really lean wines. 

2010 is incredible but will be super tannic and you can't touch it for 20 years. 2011 stinks with only pockets of 

brilliance (already tasted it in tank in the fall). The future does not look great as other vintages hit the shore so 

'09 is the best choice. Older guys there who have tasted numerous vintages in tank said that '09 reminded them 

of '82. '82 tasted great 3 years out and is amazing now. You get the best of both worlds...think 2003 and 2005 all 

in one. 

IMHO smart money is in '09 and not wasted on the mediocrity of '02/'07. 

'08 stinks left bank, good in Saint Emilion/Pomerol. Not familiar with the referenced wine. Will research later. 

Don't bet on poisonous nuts...they will ruin your bracket. 

I wish Bill Self was still at Illinois...for lots of reasons. 



24632 vinmoet 2012-04-01 11:35:19 McMalbec: Did some research. Parker's notes: 



May 2011 Robert Parker 93 Drink: 2011 - 2026 $31-$50 (50) 

A major sleeper of the vintage, the 2008 offers fabulous aromas and flavors of black currants, black cherries, 

loamy soil, graphite and earth. Dense and supple textured with abundant fat and concentration in its medium to 

full-bodied, complex, evolved personality, it should drink well for 15+ years." 


Apr 2009 Robert Parker (92-94) Drink: 2009 - 2029 $31-$50 

The dense ruby/purple-tinged 2008 Fonplegade displays classically sweet, pure aromas of spring flowers, red and 

black fruits, and hints of licorice as well as toasty oak. A full-bodied mouthfeel, admirable fruit purity, stunning 

texture and richness, and well-integrated, sweet tannins suggest it will drink well for 20 years." 

They have a serious website: http://www.fonplegade.com/ 

I think the CT notes reflect that this is really young wine. I'd decant the heck out of it before drinking: 


24633 vinmoet 2012-04-01 11:48:52 I've not been there. Here's what else I could find out: 

Its owned by the owners of L'Enclos, a couple of Americans named Stephen and Denise Adams. Its near Canon 

and Canon la Gaffelière. I've been by the place but just don't remember it. 

The owners are U.S. billboard Magnates (Adams Outdoor Advertising...appears on billboards coast to coast). 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Adams_%28business%29 

Its planted with 91% Merlot, 7% Cabernet Franc and 2% Cabernet Sauvignon, average vine age of 30 years, is 

fermented in wooden vats and aged for between 18 and 24 months in 100% new French barrels. 

Since 2009 they have farmed biodynamically. 

Sounds like a modern wine keeping Bordeaux roots. 




24634 wine magnet 2012-04-01 11:54:01 Ludd:Given that today is my birthday (which reminds me that I am senior), I thank you. Now if my wife and I can 

just get on a Delta flight from Atl to Jacksonville so we can then either fly SW to Tpa or rent a car for 200 miles, it 

will be good. That JUST happened, we can board and be home sometime today for more serious drinking of 

wine! 

24635 BuffaloLou 2012-04-01 12:12:20 @wine mag - Happy birthday! I hope you get to spend it with the ones you love while enjoying life's finest. 

24636 John O' 2012-04-01 12:29:10 reorganizing the cellar (alright organizing). 

hip checked a bottle and broke it (shit!) 

Schild 2007 Barossa Shiraz (Whew!) 

24637 BuffaloLou 2012-04-01 12:37:09 Why does me thinks cbs is perpetrating an April fools hoax? 

24640 McMalbec 2012-04-01 17:39:47 @ vin- thanks for your research! 

@louas- Wisconsin Winery near Madtown wins international 

competition:http://host.madison.com/wsj/business/wollersheim-named-winery-of-the-year-in-internationalcompetition/article_318ba79e-6fa5-11e1-9ee3-0019bb2963f4.html 

24642 David T 2012-04-01 20:12:53 There was more than one inmate gathering in Buffalo this weekend- Mrs DT and I had a very short but enjoyable 

dinner with BuffaloLou and his wife this evening. Campfires were not involved though I did get to meet Scout 

Alex. I even brought a pinot that was not only devoid of iodine but Lou actually liked! Notes/details to come once 

I'm back in Cleveland. 



24643 BuffaloLou 2012-04-01 20:25:56 Awesome, and very busy weekend for Mr. & Mrs. BLou. 


Friday: As I mentioned, a wonderful visit from RDHudak and his wonderful bride. Terrific food, wine, and 

conversation! 

Saturday: Scout Alex received his Ad Alteri Dei religious award in Boy Scouts, then a dreadful game of indoor 

("box") Lacrosse. 

Sunday: Another evening filled with good food, wine, and conversation, but this time with David T and the lovely 

Mrs. DavidT aka Laura. 

Wines tonight included my first (!) Oregon Pinot Noir. It was very nice! A 2009 Sineann Resonance Vineyard. 

This really developed in the glass over a couple of hours. 

That was followed by an '08 Phelps Cabernet Sauvignon which was just delicious! Phelps has really changed their 

game from the 90s. The Cabs are far less oaked and just terrific. 

Final wine was a blind: an '06 OliverHill Petite Sirah. Not overly complex, but not a fruit bomb as one would 

think coming from Oz. Loads of chocolate and blackberry on the nose with a vegetal hint. Add some vanilla and 

maple syrup on the nose. Very interesting. 

Now, helping the 13YO with science projects... 

24645 TonyO 2012-04-01 21:33:03 @BLou: if you liked they Sineann, they have a wine club that I would recommend.............Peter Rosback 

(ower/winemaker) is a great guy.....www.sineann.com.......his Old Vine Zin is fantastic 

24646 mr21cbs 2012-04-01 21:44:05 BuffaloLou, April fools day hoax indeed. You got me. 

24647 BuffaloLou 2012-04-01 22:01:56 @cbs - you had me going at first! Then again, I am gullible... 

@TO - TY for the rec on the Sineann! 



24649 David T 2012-04-01 22:35:59 Formal notes will be posted on CT but here's a summary. 


Tonight on the way back from Rochester, Mrs DT and I made a pit stop in East Aurora because Lou had taken 

delivery of some combined purchases for me, and I of his. 

In addition to preparing a delicious cheese plate, Lou grilled a wonderful pork tenderloin and some of the biggest 

shrimp I have seen. 

Three wines were opened- 

09 Sineann PN Resonance Vineyard- (No iodine! A pinot Lou actually said he ENJOYED! Way to go, Peter!) I 

haven't had a lot of Oregon PN, but Peter's would be hard to beat. 

08 Joseph Phelps Napa cab- This was very well made and fit the typical Napa cab profile perfectly. Just starting to 

enter its prime drinking window. 

06 Oliver Hill McLaren Vale PS- Lou served this blind, and I must say my blind identification is improving 

somewhat. I immediately eliminated Italy, France, and anything made from a Bordeaux blend of grapes. Guesses 

were zin/syrah/petite syrah from the US or Australia. This was actually my WOTN, did not have any of the 

jaminess typical of AU, with some nice chocolate & dark fruit & a tremendously long finish. 

24650 David T 2012-04-01 22:44:30 @cbs Nice joke, would you believe I actually took a glance at your cellar to see if there was anything I would 

want? :D 

@TO I met Peter this past summer and he is indeed first class all around. I have yet to join the club with buying a 

house and whatnot but plan to soon. I've been very impressed with everything of his I've tasted. 

24652 ptaylor2112 2012-04-01 23:57:34 Oregon Pinot is lovely! Cooper Mountain, Domaine Serene, and Lange are some of my faves. I particularly like 

the Dundee Hills AVA. Rex Hill is pretty good, too. I was lucky enough to schedule a mini-vacation in the 

Willamette Valley last summer, hitting up 9 wineries (and tasting about 50 Pinots) over 2 days. Domaine Serene 

and Domain Drouhin are literally across the street from one another, but it was like night and day: Drouhin was 

the most old world style, while Serene was the most new world. 

As for Joseph Phelps cab, I've never had the pleasure. But Dude Howard was at Joseph Phelps a couple months 

ago. He has a contact that works in Phelps' hospitality, and ended up tasting a vertical-to-end-all-verticals that 

Steven Tanzer had been served earlier in the day. I never heard the end of it... 




24654 mr21cbs 2012-04-02 08:32:05 @DavidT, I guess you did not find anything in my cellar that you would want ;)... I felt something had to be said 

on April 1st! 

~ 

On a not so joking matter, the server that runs TH is being upgraded to bigger, better (TWSS), more modern 

operating system. I was told that up to 2 hours of down time is possible between now and end of day April 3. If 

the site is down, you know why. I will monitor their progress from administrative panel. We should be screaming 

fast! 

24656 vinmoet 2012-04-02 09:18:21 cbs: We've got a QPR emergency here. The wine should be Chateau Corbin like: 

http://www.americaswineshop.com/wines/2009-Chateau-Corbin-St.-Emilion-w4452265a9 

There are a handful of variations of Corbin. Corbin Despagne is one of my favorites but, for whatever reason, it is 

lean in 2009 compared to its flamboyant neighbors and is not my recommended QRP. The Chateaux are not 

legally related. Historically they have a tie back to a Corbin name and it all varies from one place to the next. 

But, for our purposes, each is distinct and unrelated. 

Its very easy to get these guys mixed-up. I noticed that in my link, the retailer quoted the first tasting by RP but 

not his second. Ironically, his second tasting bumped his score to 92. You'd think a retailer would be all over that. 




24657 vinmoet 2012-04-02 10:04:22 I was looking at the PJWine site for the Corbin Despagne. Seems like they were selective in choosing what Parker 

notes to put up. They only quoted his 2010 but neglected to quote out his 2012 tastings. Hmmmm, what sells 

more wine, 87 points or 90-93? 


Feb 2012 Robert Parker 87+ Drink: 2015 - 2025 $27-$36 (30) 

This is one of the few 2009s that performed less impressively from bottle than from barrel. (In most cases, as 

great as they were from barrel, the wines were even more profound from bottle.) This wine seems to be very 

much in the style of a 2005, with very high levels of worrisome tannin, a dense purple color and some real meat 

and concentration, but the tannins are austere and astringent. Anticipated maturity: 2015-2025?" 



A powerful, inky/purple color is followed by notes of graphite, crushed rocks, incense, blueberries, and 

blackberries. The flavors are concentrated, pure, dense, thick, and unctuous with plenty of tannin lurking under 

the surface. However, the tannin is well-concealed by the wine’s enormous fruit, glycerin, and density. It should 

evolve for 15 or more years. As are many recent vintages of Grand-Corbin-Despagne, the 2009 is realistically 

priced. (Tasted two times.)" 

24658 mr21cbs 2012-04-02 10:18:37 Vinmoet: QPR emergency diverted. No bad wine was bought or drunk during these difficult times. Thank you for 

your vigilant and thorough examination of my poor interpretation of your proposal. I am sure it will happen 

again, but I will fix it 8) 

24659 BuffaloLou 2012-04-02 11:42:20 Possible line-of-the-year: "QPR emergency" -Vinny 

@DT - You should have mentioned that the OliverHill (for some reason it's usually written w/o a space. I dunno... 

) was your WOTN! Nice to hear! And yes, nice job on the identifying! 

@ptaylor - I've been a 'phan' of Phelps for 20+ years. Nice wines in general. The flagship, Insignia, is, IMO, more 

restrained and "Bordeaux like" than some of the other big Napa Cabs. Still, you can always detect the Napa fruit. 

Their Cab is a more reasonably priced version of the Insignia (although not quite in the same league.) The Merlot 

has never thrilled me. It's their Rhone varietals that I really like! The Syrah is quite nice, but the Le Mistral has 

been one of my favs. 




24663 kommander kaos 2012-04-02 17:18:38 The Kommander kommends Pharmacist Mate David on the blind Aussie PS. 

Your Kommander is pleased when he sees the troops rendevouxing in the field. Warrant officer Blou once again 

comes through with yet another bottle of the Kommanders favorite USofA producer. Unlike todays QPR CofO, 

Phelps never surrenders. 

Good job men! 

kaos out 

24668 mr21cbs 2012-04-03 10:51:32 Is this thing on? 

~ 

Congrats to Kentucky U and its supporters on the national championship. 

24670 BuffaloLou 2012-04-03 17:01:06 Looks like LBW has a cute pooch for only $22! 

24672 TonyO 2012-04-03 19:51:40 Bit on the Sine Qupe Syrah offer on Last Call Wines.................$27.00/ free ship with three bottles 

24674 BuffaloLou 2012-04-03 21:39:10 BP posted this on the forum: 

"someone in my family came up with this great idea that I may want to try going dry on Mondays and Tuesdays, 

and sometimes Wednesday,s in order to give my liver a break :doucheroll:" 

I read it to Mrs. BLou. She and I busted a gut laughing! 

Interesting offer on CW tonight, but for the $, I'd rather buy the Loosen Bros "Dr. L". 

No on going in on the $22 pooch? 

24675 louas 2012-04-03 22:17:48 Enjoyed, and I mean enjoyed an 05 Gerla Brunello tonite with Grilled Veal chop. Perfect pairing (IMHO). 

First night of vacation/visit my fam in NY/continue the birthday week(s) celebration for Ms. Louas' 60th. 

Flying out to NYC thru Dallas manana which should be interesting 

Believe it or not there is an opening in our schedule for Monday night 4/9 if any New Yorkers are lurking out 

there 

and in the mood for a meet and greet. 

louas09@gmail.com 

24678 john o' 2012-04-04 10:23:12 what pairs best with grilled boneless leg of lamb? 

24679 john o' 2012-04-04 10:24:57 been thinking about a Keurig single cup coffee system, ever since they came up with the cartridges you can fill 

yourself. 

Any opinions of the quality of the java? 




24680 SCKen 2012-04-04 11:49:57 This may be a long shot, but can anyone recommend a varietal from 1972 that might have some life left to it and 

any suggestions on where I might be able to find such a wine. I checked Hooked On Wine, who carries a lot of 

older vintages, but they didn't have anything from 1972. In general, I don't think 72 was supposed to be a very 

good year, so there may be nothing out there, but my wife turns 40 next month, and it would be kind of cool to 

have something from her birthyear if I can find it. 

24681 BuffaloLou 2012-04-04 12:01:12 @JohnO - re: leg of lamb pairing - You have a few choices. A nice Zin would make an excellent pairing especially 

if you're using a cumin and/or garlic based spice mix on the lamb. Either Cab Sauv or Merlot also go well, esp 

when using rosemary. I don't recommend using an older Cab as the fruit in younger Cabs goes well. I've heard 

that Rioja, Chianti, and a Northern Rhone are good pairings as well, but I have not tried any of them with leg of 

lamb. All that said, the fact that you're grilling it leads me to one choice above the rest: Zin. 

24682 john o' 2012-04-04 12:07:57 I have a '73 Mouton Rothschild (Picasso label). You can tell your wife you thought she was a year younger. 

24683 BuffaloLou 2012-04-04 12:09:10 @SCKen - I did some quick research. It appears most of Europe was a bust in '72. I was thinking a German 

Riesling, but nope. According to Decanter mag: http://www.decanter.com/wine-learning/vintageguides/vintages/1973 

It looks like your best regions are: 

- Australia red 

- Red Burg 

- Red Rhone 

Perhaps celebrating with a wine that she prefers or a wine from the year you were married (or met) might be a 

better option. It's the thought that counts, and I'm sure she'll appreciate what ever you decide. 




24685 BuffaloLou 2012-04-04 12:18:17 Drat, my post must have landed in moderation. Here it is w/o the link (which is probably the reason) 

@john o - I have a Keurig single cup system (actually a unit made by Breville) and it has the "My K-cup" which you 

can fill with your coffee of choice. I love the system, but I don't think it's really designed for a coffee connoisseur 

(of which I certainly am not). They excel at offering a quick cup of Joe, IMHO. The system uses a lot of coffee to 

make a single cup as the water contact with the coffee is limited. Be that as it may, I like it. 

One other thing. At work I have a Keurig unit (purchased from BJ's Wholesale Club). It's a basic unit. When I 

brew the same coffee at home vs at work using the two different brewers, the coffee is completely different. 

The Breville unit (purchased at Williams-Sonoma) produces a far superior cup, IMO. 

YMMV 

24686 john o' 2012-04-04 12:19:47 Lou - Zin, wouldn't have though of that. thx for the advice. 

24687 john o' 2012-04-04 12:22:21 Lou - that kind of confirms my experience with the Keurig's. Convenient, but just not as good as my drip. 

24688 BuffaloLou 2012-04-04 12:35:58 @john o - Enjoy! 

24689 BrunelloBob 2012-04-04 12:41:29 Ken: 

After ruling out the usual suspects (port, sauternes, Barolo...) I resorted to using my "Luddite-like" research skills, 

I did a tasting notes search on Cellartracker, searching just "1972". 

I then sorted by region. 

Looks like Burgundy and Napa are your best bets. 

I don't know the first thing about Burgundy, but there are some big Napa names still scoring well. 

If I were looking for something like this, I'd input "1972" on wine searcher to see what was available (there's a 

bunch), then cross reference to CT. Or find something specific on CT that gets your attention, then try wine 

searcher. 

Good luck, no matter what you do, it's a gamble. 




24690 SCKen 2012-04-04 14:14:47 Thanks BLou and BBob for the suggestions. After I posted, I did the same search and it does look like Burgundy 

may be the best option, but so far I am not finding much that won't cost me $250+. I'm just not sure I want to 

drop that kind of cash on something that is 50/50 at best that it is still any good. I'm starting to think it might be 

better to go with BLou's suggestion of something from our wedding year, '98, or even easier, the year our 

daughter was born, '05, both of which I already have several choices of in my cellar. 

24691 Phredd 2012-04-04 15:16:25 Gotta disagree with BLou on pairing aged Cabernet with grilled leg of lamb. I think it is a great pairing, 

personally, and would be one of my first choices. It's the opposite of Zin, which provides a fruity contrast. The 

point of the aged Cab is to provide complementary complexities to the earthiness of the lamb. 

24693 BuffaloLou 2012-04-04 16:04:16 @phredd - IMO, lamb is too strong in flavor for the delicate flavors in aged Cab. But what ever works! 

24694 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-04 16:59:35 A family friend on the uh....."guitar"..........need I say, there is not much to do around here! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iWOljxzzZSk 

24695 TonyO 2012-04-04 18:50:58 @John O: full disclosure, I am a KAD (Keurig Authorized Dealer) but here is my take: it makes a consistently good 

(not great) cup of coffee, it is convenient and quick, with the refillable cup, you can use any coffee you like or use 

K-Cups (my favorites are Lake & Lodge, Kenya AA, and Sumatran)........to me, French Press is still the best 

method for making a GREAT cup of coffee (assuming you have great beans and water and a proper grind) 

24697 kommander kaos 2012-04-04 20:23:25 The Kommander koncurs with phirst mate phredd in regards to the aged kab pairing with lamb. This meat 

skreams out for the earthiness of a properly aged kabernet. 

Unfortunately it would seem that brevet lieutenant Lou dropped the ball on this. 

that said, no further disciplinary actions shall be taken 

kaos out 

24698 TonyO 2012-04-04 20:49:38 @JohnO' : I do not eat much lamb, but when I do, I prefer CdP...............stay thirsty my friends 

24699 brooks 2012-04-04 20:57:54 AFK...nice music...they did not suck...pardon the pun 

^ 

Say good night B squared 

24700 brooks 2012-04-04 21:03:36 TonyO...I was in NYC this past weekend , given that I did not get a bail money call, I will assume your trip was 

successful. I look forward to joining you and the "Other One" 

24702 BrunelloBob 2012-04-04 21:07:58 "good night" Brooks-boy. 

24703 TonyO 2012-04-04 21:46:38 @brooks: very low key weekend, lots to eat, lots to drink, no laws broken (at least that I remember it that 

way)..........yes, a meeting with the "other one" is in the cards.....check your calendar (and email)................ 

24704 BuffaloLou 2012-04-04 22:27:04 A thousand thanks to the kommander for his leniency. ;) 




24705 BuffaloLou 2012-04-04 22:30:58 @AFK - at least the singer is better than most of the acts on Letterman... :) 

24707 NY Pete 2012-04-05 00:27:27 insert double doucherolls here 

24711 vinmoet 2012-04-05 09:28:16 I think lamb is pretty flexible. For a grilled leg I would prefer a Spanish red, particularly Rioja. Something with 

some age on it. The Ondarre that we've bought off and on around here is really a phenomenal wine that can 

dress up or down and would be a perfect match. 

I also like the idea of a Syrah/Grenache based wine from either the North or South of the Rhone. 

The grilled aspect of it also makes it good for a grapey varietal like Zin, younger Bordeaux from the right bank 

(Merlot dominated), a Cali Cab or Merlot. The CDP's from 2007 are flashy monsters that would pair well. I also 

think that any kind of Pinot would work really well. Even with the grilled component I'd be fine with a subtle old 

world Burgundy with a little age on it (2002 and earlier) but an over extracted modern Pinot from Cali would be a 

great foil too if that's your cup of tea. 

As far as 1972 birth year wines, its a tough one. Speaking for Bordeaux, the 70's was a horrible decade. Arguably 

'70 and '75 are the best two years. 

The safest bet would be a Chateau D' Yquem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_d%27Yquem What 

24712 BrunelloBob 2012-04-05 09:36:05 ummmmm...., Vinny? Per the wiki link you reference: 

"On average, 65,000 bottles are produced each year. In a poor vintage, the entire crop is deemed unworthy of 

bearing the Château's name; this happened nine times in the 20th century: 1910, 1915, 1930, 1951, 1952, 1964, 

1972, 1974, and 1992." 

24713 john o' 2012-04-05 09:40:17 @Vinmoet 

Thx for the suggestions. Maybe 1 of the San Roman Toro's I keep chained to the floor in the basement. 

24714 vinmoet 2012-04-05 10:35:44 Yes. I stand corrected. Thought of that after I posted but was caught up at work and could not edit. They did, 

however, make a dry white wine which is reputed to be age worthy. So, while I was incorrect, it is academically a 

still a possibility only its not known as a Sauternes but as a dry white from Sauternes. When I said that it existed, 

it was because I had seen the dry white before. Never had it though and its not commonly known. 

Just not a good vintage. 

24716 mr21cbs 2012-04-05 11:54:06 NYPete, elaborate how do "double doucherolls" go well with lamb? Do you have better recommendations, since 

I do grill lamb often and will continue to explore different wine pairings. Already have Zin, Cab, Bordeaux, 

Burgundy to try. Much appreciate your insights. 

24717 NY Pete 2012-04-05 12:48:46 cbs ... go with a tempranillo or a temp blend. cheers. 




24718 kommander kaos 2012-04-05 12:49:14 The Kommander feels that the use of a doble serving of "doucheroll" would be counter productive to the 

harmonic balance of the lamb and wine pairing. 

Private Pete should best keep vinegar out of the pairing equation . 

The Kommander is surprised that Pete did not suggest one of the fine cabs from his cellar 

kaos out 

24719 BuffaloLou 2012-04-05 12:57:53 The Oz Cab on CW is right up my alley. I love Oz Cab, but I do not need more daily drinkers for the short term. 

That said, this is tempting... 

Seems like LBW can't get rid of that Moon Mountain Cab, despite the sad eyes... 

24720 mr21cbs 2012-04-05 13:06:58 Thanks, NYPete, great idea. I will. 

~ 

Does the marinade make a difference in the ultimate wine pairing? I think many did imply that it does. 

For a matrix oriented brain like mine: 

* rosemary = Zin 

* sweet glaze = ? 

* 

* 

Thanks again! 

24721 mr21cbs 2012-04-05 13:20:43 Any experience with Vincent Arroyo Winery Bodega, Napa Valley 2006 

(https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=677195)? $17.99 and FS4 on WTSO Platinum. I have had 

Vincent Arroyo PS and liked it. 

24722 BuffaloLou 2012-04-05 13:50:02 @cbs - re: the Vincent Arroyo Bodega - CT notes: https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=677195 

GrapeApe thought too much oak. Another poster I follow, cbbrown3, said the same. 

24723 McMalbec 2012-04-05 13:56:38 @cbs: I have 2 bottles in the cellar from a wtso purchase in September @ 2bucks a bottle more. Have not 

opened a '06 but have liked most of VA's efforts in the past. 

fwiw, shipping from his winery is expensive. 

24724 NY Pete 2012-04-05 13:58:53 kaos ... I prefer those cabs with a big fat steak. 

24725 BrunelloBob 2012-04-05 14:04:15 @cbs: I believe the rule of thumb is to pair to the sauce, not the meat, so I'd definately say the marinade makes a 

difference. 

Now what goes with rosemarry vs. a sweet glaze... :? 

24726 mr21cbs 2012-04-05 14:08:12 BuffaloLou and McMalbec, skipping this one then. Appreciate you sharing your thoughts. 

24727 BuffaloLou 2012-04-05 14:53:07 I caved on two of the Poole's Rock Cockfighter's Ghost Cabs. I had an order shipping anyway, so I added to it. 

Strictly to try... for scientific purposes. 



24728 ptaylor2112 2012-04-05 15:22:01 Hi all - 


I'd like to buy 6 bottles of San Roman Toro. I emailed Kristen Murphy, suggesting it be offered on "Super Cindy 

Week." She wasn't sure if it will be on the list. 

So, if you are considering more San Roman, feel free to email Kristen or another WL person. 

Thanks! 

Patrick 

24729 tonyo 2012-04-05 16:25:04 http://news.yahoo.com/why-the-soul-of-mitt-romney%E2%80%99s-america-can-be-found-at-williamssonoma.html 

I thought this was interesting data..........yeah, I know it's political, but it's bi-partisan 

and for what it's worth, I think Williams-Sonoma is a great store (especially when they are doing a cooking 

demo.....................) the veal demi-glace makes an incredible mushroom pan sauce with a bit of Madeira 

24731 BrunelloBob 2012-04-05 19:39:32 Gotta love the redsox... 

May 5 and I'm already gonna jump off a bridge. 

(T.O.: You're a gentleman for not taking the opportunity to kick me, yet) 

24732 BuffaloLou 2012-04-05 19:40:14 Enjoyed this with a grilled pork tenderloin marinated in a curry - apple sauce mix (it was fantastic, BTW!) 

24733 tonyo 2012-04-05 20:22:29 @BB...............calling Papelbon......hello ? 

2009 Ziegler 

Gewurztraminer - France, Alsace, Beblenheim, Alsace AOC (4/5/2012) 

The nose is more impressive than the palate. Intense floral aromas on the nose while mango highlights the 

tropical fruit notes. The palate features white tea, honey, and hints of botrytis with a slight stone minerality. 

Tasty with curry. (88 points) 




24734 BuffaloLou 2012-04-05 20:31:20 I received a cartoon via email, but the reality is staggering... 


"The largest Lotto jackpot ever, $640 MILLION, would be spend by the federal government in 95 MINUTES." 

Damn, that would buy a lot of vino! 

24735 mr21cbs 2012-04-05 20:36:04 TonyO, Papelbon did a good job closing the first game of the season for the Phillies. I understand it was against 

the Pirates, but still. 

24736 BuffaloLou 2012-04-05 20:44:40 Rec'd my order for more of the '04 Ondarre Reserva Rioja today. Thought I'd pop one I already had. This is 

another (read: second) disappointing bottle. Way off balance. Too much acid and too little fruit. 

24738 vinmoet 2012-04-05 22:40:52 BLou: We just had one two nights ago and found it delightful. Am sorry you've had some disappointing ones. I 

think we have 4 bottles left from a case bought last fall. If it comes up again, we'll get another case. Sounds like 

you should open another one and when its done, then finish the disappointing bottle. If the're both bad, 

well...canonball! 

24739 luddite 2012-04-06 00:31:55 @B²: Cheer up it only feels like it's "May 5" :lol: 

24740 Scott W 2012-04-06 00:32:53 @Blou I have found a lot of bottle variation in the 04 Ondarre Reserva Rioja, I think I had 6 and 3 were dreadful 

and 3 were excellent bottles for the money. 

For me with that kind of record the Mayor was equally a good deal but without the disappointment IMHO. 

24742 John O' 2012-04-06 04:20:47 I found variation in the Mayor, as well 

24743 BrunelloBob 2012-04-06 05:54:49 Ludds: I may have been "drowning my sorrows" at the time of that wayward calander reference.... 

24744 BuffaloLou 2012-04-06 08:20:12 Sadly I'm going to have to agree with bottle variation on the ’04 Ondarre Reserva. I did have a couple that were 

very, very, good, esp for the $. IIRC, I've had 3 good bottles and 2 fails; similar results to Scott. 

What I'm wondering is if it's getting long in the tooth; if the fruit is fading leaving the acid to come forward... 

Given that some bottles may age more quickly than others, sounds plausible. Thoughts? 

24745 john o' 2012-04-06 08:29:18 Re the Ondarre. I've had 1 of '04 reserva's and 2 of the '04 mayor reserva's. Had the reserva about 2 years ago 

and it was: meh. 

Had the mayor reserva about 18 months ago and it was: meh. 

Had the 2nd mayor about 3 months ago and it was excellent. 

24748 vinmoet 2012-04-06 09:35:10 Hmmmmmm, at a 40% meh rate for the Ondarre, I've got 4 bottles of case left, the other 8 having been very 

good, I should trade/sell the rest? 




24749 David T 2012-04-06 09:44:42 I agree the plain 'reserva' can be meh; the Mayor has been a consistent favorite and I have yet to have one that 

does not impress; I'm considering buying even more since it's always $20 now; I paid $30 for it two years ago. 

24750 BuffaloLou 2012-04-06 10:02:11 Maybe I should pop a Mayor tonight... 

24751 BuffaloLou 2012-04-06 10:03:49 An open message to LBW: Perhaps you should have a time limit on offers. The Moon Mountain offer is growing 

gray hairs... 

24752 mr21cbs 2012-04-06 11:02:57 Happy Passover to those who celebrate! 

24753 luddite 2012-04-06 11:27:36 @joe g is a staunch supporter of the Ondarre Reserva: 

"had the 04 ondarre mayor tonight.. very solid wine but to be honest i like the cheaper reserva that 

was offered just as much" 

Case closed... 

24754 vinmoet 2012-04-06 11:48:48 Luddite: How do you find that stuff? 

24755 BuffaloLou 2012-04-06 12:00:41 @luddite - joe must have had one of the good bottles... 

@cbs - Happy Passover to you and to all our Jewish friends. 

24756 mr21cbs 2012-04-06 12:17:57 On June 2nd, our family will be riding in the Tour de Cure for the American Diabetes Association. We signed up 

for the 63 mile ride, which should be a challenge for our 11 year old sons. I know that finances are a challenge for 

everyone, but if you choose to donate to this great cause, please do so on our family team site: 

http://main.diabetes.org/goto/Roytman 

It is tax deductible and I will send you a receipt for your donation. Thank you! 

24757 luddite 2012-04-06 12:40:13 @vinny: It's been awhile but I remember liking it enough to buy more! Haven't tried the Mayor yet but bought 

some of that from WL as well... 

@BLou: Other inmates that have supported the Ondarre Reserva include @AFK/winex/Wineknurd/Hinrgman. 

The Knurd suggested you try the '04 Conde de Valdemar Reserva as he felt it might be more your style... 

@mr21cbs: It's a done deal - best wishes to your family as you ride to support this great cause (one very near 

and dear to @AFK as well). 




24758 McMalbec 2012-04-06 13:00:19 @Blou and anyone else interested. Several weeks ago I mentioned that we were going to attend our monthly 

wine tasters event to taste some Amarone style wines. Things have been hectic at work with the 16th rapidly 

approaching, but with my wife's help, I have the following quick summary. If there are any specific questions, we 

both have our scoring and comment sheets. 

We ( group of 36)experienced six amarone style wines in a blind tasting: Allegrini Valpolicella (2010), tenuta 

Sant'antonio Monti Garbi Ripasso Valpolicella Superiore Ripasso (2009), Zonin Amarone della Valpolicella (2007), 

Michelle Castellni Colle Cristi Amarone della Valpolicella Classico (2004), Zenato Amarone Classico (2005) and 

guiseppe Campagnola Amarone Classico (2007). 

We were anticipating our evening exploring amarones and we were not disappointed! From the true novice to 

the most sophisticated member, we all came away with some new discoveries. 

By far our group's favorite was the Zenato. It has a n interesting blend of 80% Corvina, 10% Rondinella, 5% 

Sangiovese and 5% Molinara. The color is a deep dark red and boasts an intense aroma of ripe black cherries, 

raisins, tobacco and prunes. Several even noted the aroma of "scorched earth"! 

Coming in second was the Castellani. It was interesting how different percentages of virtually the same grape 

produced such different flavors. This one also had a beautiful garnet red color but seemed to have orange 

nuances. 

24759 Julius 2012-04-06 14:49:59 @McMalbec - I'm curious as to why you would include the 2010 Allegrini Valpolicella in the group of "Amarone 

style" wines. It isn't. If you wanted to include the producer but not their Amarone, it would have been 

appropriate to include their Palazzo della Torre, which truly is an Amarone like wine (and a damn good one). 




24760 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-06 16:48:09 Re: 2004 Ondarre Reserva.....good stuff........with 30,000 cases made, there has to be some variation..........well 

worth the risk for the price! 

@ vin vin ~ qotd.... "Luddite: How do you find that stuff?"...........answer...... the 'Professor' is well connected! 

@ Jewels ~ +1 on the Palazzo della Torre......also good stuff! 

A Good Friday to all! 

24761 McMalbec 2012-04-06 18:26:12 @Julius: I was not on the selection committee for this meeting but will inquire as to the rational for its inclusion.. 

24762 vinmoet 2012-04-06 19:31:59 WTSO: 2008 Rocher-Bonregard Pomerol. A tiny Chateau that I am not familiar with. But $20 delivered? 

Tempting. An inexpensive Pomerol is Rouget which sells in the $40+ range. It gets over a few hundred pretty 

quickly since its such a small area. 

"While the wine does have considerable tannins, it also has the ripe Merlot fruit to support it. Good acidity, black 

currant fruits, smoky wood, all the elements are there. It will always be firm, but should mature well. R.V. 

(2/1/2012) — WE89" 

Have not tasted it. My educated guess sees concrete tanks, family member sorting fruit, partial new wood, 

mostly old wood. Its likely that some corporate group buys these guys at death to pay the estate taxes and big 

cash and modern consulting turns this into a 95 point wine. Until then, this is probably a leaner, old school 

Bordeaux. If you are into fresh and fruity, definitely a pass. If you like old world, possibly funky wine and are a 

risk taker, this is pretty tempting. 

Pomerol is tiny. Its the huber cool old school blue blood neighbor of Saint Emilion. Probably my favorite 

appellation but I have no idea who these guys are. 

24764 wine magnet 2012-04-06 19:52:41 BLou: I wrote to Cory at LBW this morning with the same thought. He replied pretty quickly that they just 

finished packing/shipping some 4000 orders from their marathon sale, all with only 3 warehouse workers! He 

promised they would be back to normal by Monday, and then followed up a little later with a nice Pinot offer. 

Alas, I caved for it because I like pinot with THICK, rare loin lamb chops with some fresh rosemary and I have but 

a few pinots in my collection. 




24765 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-06 20:17:14 @Patrick Fear not, you'll probably see the San Roman Toro again, either in a TBTC sale, or some other WL sale. 

It's a crowd favorite and usually comes around a few times 

To all who celebrate: Happy Passover. I observe, but it's a long 8 days without pork, shellfish, and carbs. Tough 

call between eating the matzoh and the box as to which has the least flavor. 

To all the rest of the inmates Happy Easter weekend! 

Just finished a 2008 Eola Hills PN. 

Hmm... what wine goes with reorganizing the storage area of the laundry room? 

24766 tonyo 2012-04-06 20:24:28 @magnet: I grapped that PN offer on LBW also...........seems like a good deal at $15..............just received my 

2007 Qupe Syrah.....may try one this weekend after the disaster I choked down last night, a 2008 Boom Boom 

Syrah.......first time I ever tasted DISTINCT pencil ERASER in a wine.....awful 

24767 BuffaloLou 2012-04-06 22:02:02 @McM - Nice to hear you enjoyed your Amarone experience! Careful, it's addictive! :lol: 

@ludds - TY for the tip on the CdV. 

4000 orders... three peeps... That's some work! 

Tonight enjoying a home dark brew my neighbor so kindly dropped off this afternoon. First time I've tried 

homemade beer. Quite nice! Def some fruity notes, most notably, apple. May have to delve into this home 

brewing... 

24768 tonyo 2012-04-06 22:10:57 one positive about this sluggish economy......just refinanced at 3.125% ......hard to believe.....I can remember 

paying 9% in 1989...... 

24770 David T 2012-04-07 00:48:07 @tonyo Very nice! I think we got either 4 or 4.5% when buying our house just last fall & we thought that 

was great... 

: 

Good cheese is incredibly underrated and underappreciated IMO. I'm eating Jumi Cirone which is a raw milk 

cheese from Switzerland- on the 100pt wine scale this is easily a 93+... Those big white and yellow $4/lb bricks 

most grocery stores sell are the Sutter Home White Zin of cheeses... 

24771 BrunelloBob 2012-04-07 07:35:51 I like Kraft macaroni and cheese. 

24773 BuffaloLou 2012-04-07 09:53:40 Suburban wines has 2009 Quilceda Creek Columbia Valley Cabernet Sauvignon for $184, mags for $400. How I 

love to try this... 

24774 mr21cbs 2012-04-07 10:56:21 wine magnet, I gather that you site access error was resolved. Did you do anything differently? please share 




24776 wine magnet 2012-04-07 11:20:48 David T: Hear, hear! Most, if not all of the bulk cheese in supermarkets is ghastly and should not be labeled 

cheese. I have not had Jumi Cirone, but will be on the lookout for it. I love the variety of mostly imported 

cheeses offered in the gourmet cheese coolers at most if not all Costco stores. Among my favorites: Delice De 

Bourgogne, Coastal English Cheddar, Henri Hutin , Brie, Societe Roquefort, Ossau Iraty. Among the domestic 

cheeses at Costco, it is hard to beat the Cabot 3 year old Cheddar, which comes in an approximately 2 lb. 

black/purple package. Now that my mouth is watering, I'll have to take one or more of these to this afternoon's 

wine tasting (unless I can find the Jumi Cirone). 

For the anti-Yankees out there: How about the Rays comeback last night? Carlos Pena's first at bat after 

returning to a Ray's uniform was a grand slam, then, down in the count against Mariano Riviera (against whom 

Carlos was 0-11), in the bottom of the 9th, drove in the winning run. That was a sold out game, tonight's is sold 

out, and Sunday will probably be as well. If the Rays sweep the Yanks, I'll celebrate with something special from 

my cellar tonight! 

24777 wine magnet 2012-04-07 11:25:10 Michael: 

Thanks for your efforts yesterday, but I could not get onto the site from my office computer no matter what I 

tried, so I copied the URL from my laptop at home (where access was not a problem), emailed it to myself, and 

pasted it into my browser (Firefox) this morning and...bingo, I am on again! 

24778 tonyo 2012-04-07 12:08:35 @wine magnet: guess Mo Rivera got his one blown save for teh year out of the way early..... 

24779 kommander kaos 2012-04-07 12:24:52 As all know, the Kommander is a fan of national league baseball, the ny Mets in particular however, your 

Kommander took time out of his busy schedule and enjoyed quite a few kraft brews while enjoying one of the 

best games (defensively and offensively he has seen in quite a while. While not a fan of the ny Yanks, they did 

play a gutsy game. The machine known as Rivera, blew a fuse and the Rays got their hard earned win. 

kaos out 

24780 David T 2012-04-07 13:43:43 @wine magnet I got it at the flagship Wegman's in Rochester NY. It was a hard cheese and had a nice earthiness 

to it. I agree with the Cabot as being a great domestic producer. I will have to keep my eye out for some of your 

favorites. 




24781 mr21cbs 2012-04-07 17:29:57 Wine Magnet, glad to see you here again, and no effort on my part. Not to further confuse BrunelloBob with our 

technical jibber jabber, but with the server upgrade we got a new IP address assigned to our site, some DNS 

servers (those that match your social security numbers to your names) do not get the updates right away and 

take 48-72 hours to propagate. Your office system could also be blocking an unknown IP address as well. From 

your post I assume that you are able to connect at home and at the office. If not, then it is your network that 

needs to be checked out for blocking... 

~ 

I assume that everyone else has no problems accessing the asylum, otherwise, please shout! 

24782 BrunelloBob 2012-04-07 17:37:08 Servers propagate? 

Is that where baby servers come from? 

24783 mr21cbs 2012-04-07 17:54:17 Server porn on TH! You can't top that! (TWSS) 

24784 mr21cbs 2012-04-07 20:52:48 We are planning a California wine country getaway for May 3-6th. Most likely flying into Los Angeles driving to 

San Francisco, while stopping to drink, eat, and enjoy everything in between. Any recommendations on places to 

spend a night, wineries not to miss, and where to dine would be greatly appreciated. It's been a long time since 

my last trip to CA, and we are up for the adventure. 

Thank you! 

24785 vinmoet 2012-04-07 21:07:04 cbs: I get that we might be associated with staying at better places, which we have, but we much rather spend 

money on serious food as long as the place is clean. In San Fran we like to have a car. Not so much for around 

the city, but to get outside of the City. If you stay anywhere, they ding you pretty heavily for parking. Thus, this 

solution. Its a Chinese owned mom and pop travelodge with FREE parking located on the border between China 

Town and Little Italy. Its literally a 3 block walk to the most serious restaurants in the City. You're looking at 

$100+/- with parking. AAA discount is the best price. http://www.royalpacificmotorinn.com/ If you want 

something higher end and more romantic than cost effective, then this is not your place. 

24786 mr21cbs 2012-04-07 21:20:31 Vinmoet, cheap and clean is the name of the game. It will be 4 of us and we will rent a car. Most likely we'll 

spend nights along the way. Any wineries that you visited during your recent trip that are a must to visit? I will 

check out your notes. 

24789 BuffaloLou 2012-04-07 23:05:14 Just got back from a slaughtering; The Bandits of Buffalo clipped the Wings of Philadelphia, 17-7. It was nice to 

see a great game after the pitiful performance last week. 

24790 BrunelloBob 2012-04-07 23:07:53 @cbs: For wine and views, as recommended to Vinny (who apparantly blew it off ;) ) 

http://www.nepenthebigsur.com/ 




24791 wine magnet 2012-04-07 23:51:52 And...the dreaded Yankees went down again to the Rays, celebrated with some '93 Leoville las Cases, courtesy of 

a great deal from Mitch at thewinetobuy.com. 

@mr21cbs: Is this wine tour just your family, or are your twins staying at home? I will see what I might find for 

early in your trip in the Santa Barbara area, should you be interested. There I would recommend visiting 

Beckmen vineyards and several others if you have the time. I'll ask relatives there about accommodations. 

24792 BuffaloLou 2012-04-08 00:09:35 Never heard of this before: I read that there is a drink called a "Black Velvet". It's half Guinness Stout and half 

champagne. Sounds pretty good to me. Anyone ever hear of it or better still, try it? 

Update: from the Guinness website: 

GUINNESS® mixed fifty fifty with Champagne. This famous drink was invented in 1861 at Brook's Club in 

London. Prince Albert had died, everyone was in mourning, and the story goes that the steward at the club, 

overcome with the emotion of the occasion, ordered that even the champagne should be put into mourning, and 

proceeded to mix it with GUINNESS®. The taste was so delicious, Black Velvet became extremely popular. 

24793 David T 2012-04-08 01:26:17 @mr21cbs Unfortunately we will miss each other by less than a week in SF (we will be there the last week of 

April) but I'm sure we will meet at the Philly offline... here is where we are staying, with good Tripadvisor reviews 

for a reasonable price, and also free parking. columbusmotorinn.com 

24794 tonyo 2012-04-08 08:25:33 Happy Easter ! 

For the cheese lovers, this farm is the best: 

http://www.jasperhillfarm.com/index.php?option=com_contact&view=contact&id=1&Itemid=147 

24795 wine magnet 2012-04-08 08:55:28 Tonyo: Jasper Hill makes wonderful cheeses, and I wish it was available at Costco, Trader Joes, etc., but then it 

would probably have to be mass produced and would lose the artisan flavors. I have found some of it at Whole 

Foods (Bayley Hazen blue) and at Bern's, but it is pretty costly for my wallet for regular consumption. 

24796 BuffaloLou 2012-04-08 09:01:53 Happy Easter Inmates! 

24797 tonyo 2012-04-08 09:27:05 @wine magnet: not cheap here either (the Bayley Hazen runs around $23/lb, but a little goes a long way)....that 

Blue with a little honey drizzled on it with some candied pecans and a glass of Spatlese...........no better pairing 

IMO..........just might have to add that to the table today 

24798 BuffaloLou 2012-04-08 09:28:52 @TO - I like any blue cheese with a slice of red pear and a walnut half. Mmmmm good! 




24799 tonyo 2012-04-08 09:37:08 @BL: that is a good one....have had a salad with that (some frisee and bacon lardons tossed with some aged 

Balsmaic and Agave nectar....tasty !) 

24801 David T 2012-04-08 10:34:44 Y'all are making me mighty hungry... tonyo a similar salad combo also works mighty well- fry bacon, caramelize 

onions in the bacon fat, flash wilt spinach with the onions once caramelized, top with crumbled bacon, balsamic 

and blue cheese 

Happy Easter!! 

24802 BuffaloLou 2012-04-08 10:46:16 @David T - aren't holidays all about eating and drinking? ;) 

@TO - damn tasty! 

24803 David T 2012-04-08 11:58:03 @BLou Not today, when working 14 hours :/ 

24805 mr21cbs 2012-04-08 13:38:46 Wine Magnet, 4 adults, no kids are going to California. 

24813 ptaylor2112 2012-04-09 09:28:32 So, I left my credit card at a restaurant in Indy For the last 6 weeks, my card has only been used for online 

purchases. 

Needless to say, the Mrs. just had a conversation with me about a WIWBM. 

Rut roh! 

24815 mr21cbs 2012-04-09 11:18:49 Is anyone having any problems accessing this site from your home, work, mobile devices? [If are able to read this 

then obviously you access it, but are you or did you encounter any access problems recently?] 

~ 

I am only aware of the Wine Magnet's problems... Anyone else? 

24816 ptaylor2112 2012-04-09 13:22:31 @mr21cbs - Over the last couple of weeks, I have noticed that this site causes my Internet Explorer to crash. I get 

a message something like "A problem with the webpage has caused Internet Explorer to stop working." 

24817 luddite 2012-04-09 13:50:34 @ptaylor2112: Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer! 

24818 hinrgman 2012-04-09 13:51:31 Last Bottle in NYC - City Winery - http://createsend.com/t/r-CC920330F34A6860 

24819 BuffaloLou 2012-04-09 14:23:06 @cbs - no problems here. (other than the obvious! ;) ) 

You da man keeping this a well oiled machine! 

24820 mr21cbs 2012-04-09 14:32:33 ptaylor2112, I have not added anything new lately that could cause your IE to crash. I use Google Chrome, and 

aside from videos posted by Yahoo, nothing crashes that thing. Can you consistently reproduce the error? What 

page usually crashes IE? What is the version of your Windows and IE? 




24821 ptaylor2112 2012-04-09 17:42:09 @mr21cbs - I'll let you know when it happens again. I'm such a luddite that I don't know what version of 

Windows I'm running. I think it is Windows 7. I think it crashes when I go to either the homepage or the 

/discussion page. Those are the only two that I frequent. I'm sure it's a problem on my end. I miss my Mac from 

previous employers... 

On to more important things: I am opening a terrific Spanish red tonight. Am going to submit it as the QPR of the 

day. Yum! 

patrick 

24822 McMalbec 2012-04-09 18:01:13 @vin: have been keeping my eyes pealed on the 2009 Bordeaux offerings and saw on today at Gary's Wine and 

Marketplace- Chateau de L'Estang for $11.99 plus $1 shipping for orders of less than a case. JJB has it for $10.99 

plus shipping. Are you familiar with this on? TIA! 

24823 Waiting in Manassas 2012-04-09 18:30:34 @mr21cbs I'm stuck with IE because that's what they've got on my work computer. I'm going to add Google 

Chrome at home because I've had the same problems as patrick. 

@BLou Having a red pear with gorgonzola and a glass of Produttori del Barbaresco Langhe Nebbiolo 2008. What 

a great pairing, and Passover friendly too! 

Bought a giant standing glass vase to hold all my corks and it's already full. Guess I need another one, or else 

figure out something else to do with them! 

24824 BuffaloLou 2012-04-09 19:02:02 Did Patrick say something about a Spanish red head? :lol: 

24825 BuffaloLou 2012-04-09 19:12:58 @WiM - I am not experienced with Nebbiolo. What about it's flavor profile makes it a good pairing (no pun 

intended... )? I love the two, and a good pairing is of interest to me... 

Also, I will no longer complain about any Catholic religious restrictions. I was not familiar with Kosher Passover 

requirements, so I just looked them up. Oh my, you guys are strict! 

24826 mr21cbs 2012-04-09 19:43:23 I did not say that our site doesn't work with IE. it should, and I will start testing it. I have a 64-bit Windows 7 box 

so mine may still be different from your setup. 

IE 9 seems to be faster than before, but I still prefer the cleanliness of Chrome. 

24827 Waiting in Manassas 2012-04-09 19:47:04 @BLou The fruitiness of the nebbiolo balances the taste of the cheese and the nuttiness of the red pear.I'm 

surprised the gorgonzola didn't overwhelm it. I'm also using my burgundy glass which gives the wine more room 

to shine. Passover is my least favorite holiday and it's a long 8 days of doing without pork, shellfish and bread. 

Always celebrate the end with pizza and wine. 

24829 BuffaloLou 2012-04-09 22:39:16 @WiM - TY! I see the exact bottle you have is available locally. I'm going to try to get one and try it! 




24830 jpakma 2012-04-09 23:03:06 Patrick, been there and slept in that dog house many time before. I accidentally left my CT account up on the 

wife's macbook and she promptly asked me how I had 60 bottles pending delivery! I informed her that many of 

those were ordered a long time ago and were just waiting to be shipped. The real question at hand was how 

many bottles defined "many." My reasoning was a couple was 2, a few 3, and many 4. The other 56 were within 

about a week of the incident. Opened a couple of the Chester's Anvil offerings from the Berserker Day offerings: 

Gretna Green (white Rhone blend from Cali) and the Malbec. I must say these were outstanding wines. I had 

never tasted a Chester's Anvil wine before, but I think I am a fan so far. 

24835 vinmoet 2012-04-10 10:03:13 MacMalbec: Not familiar with it. Here are the Parker notes: 

Wine Advocate #188 

Apr 2010 Robert Parker (87-90) Drink: 2010 - 2016 $11 

Another sleeper of the vintage, the opaque ruby/purple-tinged 2009 l’Estang exhibits lots of sweet black currant 

and black cherry fruit intermixed with a hint of vanillin. Medium to full-bodied, with surprisingly pure, 

concentrated, lengthy flavors, it should drink well for 5-6 years. (Tasted once.) 


This is from Castillion which is south of Saint Emilion and on a much lower elevation. The land is inexpensive 

there so a number of flamboyant winemakers who work for the big boys buy their own places in the region to 

make wines. We are talking terroir which is radically different from Saint Emilion even though they are close to 

each other. Tends to be the region of QPR wines. Sounds like a solid buy for the money, just don't have rock star 

expectations. 

24836 McMalbec 2012-04-10 11:59:52 @vin: Thanks for your analysis. I think I will hold off. 

24837 BuffaloLou 2012-04-10 12:43:57 Attn Mac users: Flashback virus has infected over 600,000 Macs in the USA. Info on it and how to remove it here: 

http://www.krdo.com/news/30862161/detail.html 

and here: 

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/17371047/a-flashback-virus-that-is-impacting-mac-users 

or just 'Google' it. 




24842 BuffaloLou 2012-04-10 22:26:04 Any thoughts on tonight's CW deal (the priorat)? Sounds like a killer deal; I'm just always skeptical of wines with 

age (storage). 

Popped another '04 Ondarre Reserva tonight. This might be the best bottle yet! It has dusty tannins like a 

Rutherford Cab Sauv! Balanced. Absolutely rockin'! Solid 91, perhaps 92. 

24843 mr21cbs 2012-04-10 22:39:49 This is specifically for Sir. PTaylor2112. Posting this test from Internet Explorer just to make sure that it works. I 

am running IE 9 (Version 9.0.8.8112.16421; 64-bit edition; Cipher Streangth 256-bit). On Windows 7, which is 

also 64-bit. 

~ 

If you let me know what is your system setup is, I can try to replicate your environment and address why your IE 

crashes. Or it can be a complete mistery, as many other bugs in Windows and other microsoft products. :twisted: 

24844 BuffaloLou 2012-04-10 22:45:06 @cbs - love the humor! :lol: 

Thought: there aren't many better guilty pleasures than egg salad... 

24845 mr21cbs 2012-04-10 22:50:45 BuffaloLou, that is not humor. Windows XP is compiled from 45 million lines of code 

(http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history). Windows 7 should be slimmer but not by much. You 

don't think there are misterries in that mess? 


I am soooo proud of my son! Tonight, he was one of six boys nominated out of a Troop of over 70 boys to be a 

part of the Order of the Arrow, Scouting's "Honor Society"; those that express and live the Boy Scout Oath and 

Law. In June he will participate in an "Ordeal" weekend of service where he, and the other candidates from the 

Council, will set-up the camp for the Cub Scouts Summer Camp. It's a weekend of service, selflessness, control, 

mind over body (there are certain 'requirements'), self-reliance and dedication. 

24847 BuffaloLou 2012-04-10 23:13:00 @cbs - I highly doubt any software as sophisticated as an operating system is without bugs. Windows has them, 

Mac OS has them, Linux has them. That said, I think Windows has more than it's share. Anyway, I thought your 

statement was funny! :) 

24848 McMalbec 2012-04-10 23:45:24 @BLou: congrats to your son and you. I have met some wonderful men through Scouting and OA. 




24849 David T 2012-04-10 23:47:23 @BLou Congrats to Scout Alex! 

: 

My employer needs to hire new people in the payroll department. In addition to the large tax payment I just 

made the feds, I completed my state return tonight only to find I owe them several hundred dollars as well. WTF. 

24850 BuffaloLou 2012-04-10 23:52:10 @McMalbec - TY! I, too, have met some wonderful people through Scouting/OA. I'm very excited for my son, 

knowing the track he's on. I can't wait until he joins us as a 'Brother'. 

@David T - TY, too! BTW, you need to talk to your accountant and get your deductions straightened out! 

24851 Pats-Pwr 2012-04-10 23:55:37 @BLou: Congrats to your son! Was never a scout myself but have been involved with Troop 2 in Lawrence, MA 

since high school. 

@David T: Ouch, that sucks. Time to adjust those withholdings for next year. 

24852 BuffaloLou 2012-04-11 00:06:50 @Pats-Pwr - Thanks John! And thank you for all you're doing with your Troop! Successful units (Packs, Troops, 

Crews, Posts) all have a common factor: trained adult participation! (Sorry, the 'Council' hat is hard to take off... ) 

BTW - You're keeping the pounds off... Congrats! 

24853 David T 2012-04-11 00:25:54 The federal withholding has already been adjusted. I just found the state form and will fax it to payroll tomorrow. 

Unfortunately Ohio offers next to no deductions; I use TurboTax for the federal which is a lot cheaper than an 

accountant and believe me I maximized every deduction it offered me; I don't need someone to nickle & 

dime my way into an audit. 

24858 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 08:39:27 DavidT, I work for a tax software company, and although we only do corporate taxes (income, sales/use/VAT, 

telecommunication, and payroll), I know a thing or two about taxes although I am not an accountant. Ohio is not 

the most complex state. Try NY or PA. You can only deduct your mortgage interest. Maximize your pre-tax 

retirement investment. GEt a flexible spending account for medical expenses. We consulted a financial adviser a 

while ago to learn how to pay less to Uncle Sam. 

~ 

Now that we both work, have 3 kids, house, IRA/Roth IRA/ 401K, etc. we still can't deduct much because we are 

not poor. This is totally efed up, but we are not complaining. 

24859 BrunelloBob 2012-04-11 08:46:16 You all need to start paying the sales tax on your internet wine purchases and quit your crying. :cry: 

(I kill me, again) 

24860 BuffaloLou 2012-04-11 09:29:07 @cbs - Nah, NY is easy: "What's left over after paying Uncle Sam? Good, give it to us." Tax made easy! :lol: 




24861 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 09:32:51 BrunelloBob, we do. Aren't you? 

It's just called Consumer Use Tax. Calculate what your state is missing from you buying it from other states (selfasses) 

and send it to your favorite department of revenue. 

24862 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 09:42:10 PTaylor2112, after a few tries my IE9 also crashed! I will look for what might have caused it and how to fix it. 

Here is the problem signature: 

~ 

Problem signature: 

Problem Event Name:APPCRASH 

Application Name:iexplore.exe 

Application Version:9.0.8112.16421 

Application Timestamp:4d762323 

Fault Module Name:MSHTML.dll 

Fault Module Version:9.0.8112.16441 

Fault Module Timestamp:4ee85185 

Exception Code:c0000005 

Exception Offset:0000000000223690 

OS Version:6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48 

Locale ID:1033 

Additional Information 1:3e50 

Additional Information 2:3e50f4cdd4e4420bb25b852dd9c5c820 

Additional Information 3:89a4 

Additional Information 4:89a4f084b7af76766845fbfcb40b5588 

24863 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 10:30:49 PTaylor2112 and our other less fortunate friends that must be using Internet Explorer for internet browsing. Here 

is a possible resolution to fix the IE crashes (possible because I haven't tested it long enough to say for sure, but 

so far it hasn't crashed ;) 

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/webpages-look-incorrect-in-Internet-Explorer 

~ 

Enable Compatibility mode for our site. I did it for the http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/ and all child 

pages are automatically subjected to the compatibility mode. I have not tried the rest of the suggestions yet, as I 

am testing it one at a time. 

~ 

Please report back if it did/didn't fix the problem. 

24864 BrunelloBob 2012-04-11 11:26:50 @CBS: I Self-ass very well, Thank You! 

24865 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 12:06:11 BrunelloBob, I knew you would like that! You crack me up! 

We all should be thankful that we don't live in California: http://wp.joshuatreestar.com/?p=4876 




24866 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 12:36:59 Congrats to PT on his first QPR of the day! 

Congrats to Scout Alex! What an honor! 

DavidT you have my sympathy. I've got my 401K and my catch-up (you're too young for that one) maxed out, and 

I try and keep my level of charitable contributions up every year but it's tough even with the mortgage 

deduction. Agree with mr21cbs' suggestions as well. 

So, has anyone been tempted by the Ship4Free offer on Empire? Col Solare 2006 for $49.95 per and signed by 

the winemaker... not that I need more wine, of course! I need a dishwasher that gently handles wine glasses first! 

24867 BuffaloLou 2012-04-11 13:11:59 TY Sheila! 

It amazes me laws like CA's Use Tax are legal. Paying for something you may or may not have or did not 

purchase(d)? WTF?! 

Went in for a six pack of the current Banner Deal. Could not resist a review like JS gave it! 

JS's review: 91 Points. This is like a big, juicy, Amarone-style red, with loads of coffee, dried fruit and raisin. 

Full and juicy, with a long finish. A full-throttle style. Sangiovese, Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot. Best after 

2010. 

CT notes sound great, too! 

24868 NaH 2012-04-11 14:30:06 @WiM. Hahahaha. Did you run out and purchase varietally correct wine glasses? 

24869 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 15:24:46 @NaH Only two Riedel Tempranillo glasses. I've got bordeaux, Burgundy, Oregon PN, Champagne and Sauv Blanc 

glasses. Debating about their Sangio/Riesling and the Cuvee' Prestige bubbly glasses as I prefer that shape to 

what I've got already. However, if I want to host a group at my place, I really need an option other than hand 

washing 30+ glasses. I liked that Joe G had a separate DW for his wine glasses, but that won't work for me in the 

townhouse. 

24871 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 15:38:01 @WiM, what happened to the plain old plastic for parties of 30+? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKZqGJONH68 

24872 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 15:49:09 @mr21cbs ROFLMAO! 30+ glasses are for groups of 6 people or less. 30+ folks is a whole different type of party. 

Don't think I'd want 30+ folks wandering through my wine cellar unattended... I'd have to hide the real high end 

stuff away somewhere else so it didn't get opened by mistake! 




24873 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 16:13:07 @WiM, 6 person is a small family gathering for me. A few close friends over and you have a 30+ person shindig. 

They drink with TJMaxx acquired glasses, which will be hand washed by me. 

~ 

My wine rule is: you touch anything higher end in my cellar without my permission - you are off the invitation 

list, I will unfriend you on Facebook, and will post your cell phone to the tele-spammers network. 

24874 vinmoet 2012-04-11 16:15:01 cbs: My cellar is locked. Life is much easier that way. 

24875 BrunelloBob 2012-04-11 16:21:36 The only thing in my house with a lock on it is the wine cellar (the good one, not the WTWC with the daily 

drinkers in it). 

x 

And I believe the CBS rule re: tele-spammers should become part of the Trembling Hills Charter. :lol: 

24877 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 17:40:38 @mr21cbs I like the way you think! You and the mrs have an open invite! Unfortunately, since my passive cellar 

is in the basement there's no way to lock folks out. I usually hand wash glasses with only hot water and dry with a 

flour sack towel, and have done so since my DW started leaking years ago. I usually manage to survive without it 

but think it's time to break down and get a new one. 

24878 NaH 2012-04-11 18:20:11 @WiM How do you get rid of the red lipstick if you are just cleaning with hot water? It never washes off for me 

when I clean my glasses. 

24879 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 18:59:38 @NaH I just rub my fingers over it, or a clean washcloth. I saw an online video about cleaning them this way and 

it's always worked well for me. Of course, the water has to be really hot, and you have to make sure to go around 

the rim pretty well. TWSS... ;-) 

24880 louas 2012-04-11 19:19:04 @BLou: R U in on the wine woot Clayhouse PS? I've had Clayhouse Cab from a way back woot and really liked it. 

Back from a week in NY. Great food and wine. More news later 

24881 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 19:45:00 @BLou Joe Roberts, aka 1WineDude is doing a bracket type review of 16 Petite Sirah wines. Know they're in your 

wheelhouse, thought you might want to check them out: 

http://www.1winedude.com/ 

@mr21cbs Thanks for the QPR from Kaella. I do adore that wine! 

24882 jpakma 2012-04-11 19:50:34 @WiM and mr21cbs you crack me up I too would hide the good stuff. Heck, I've been known to hide the "good" 

bottle that was opened and make everyone else drink from the "other" bottles. Unfortunately, a good portion of 

my closer friends don't enjoy wine as much as I do. 

24883 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 20:08:15 @jpakma Yes, I know that makes me sound like a horrible wine snob, but that's how I roll! Most of my friends 

aren't wine geeks like we are on here, but the neighbors are getting better palates as I've been bringing my wines 

to dinner with them for years now. But even they get the good cellar defenders, of which I have quite a lot. 




24884 tonyo 2012-04-11 20:21:03 @wim: way to sneak in a TWSS............I am always watching for those (and apologies, which have been 

nonexistent lately................) 

24885 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 20:38:45 @tonyo Thx for catching that one... I was chuckling as I was typing! 

Phillies offense just exploded in the 3rd, now we need the Flyers to do the same! 

24886 BrunelloBob 2012-04-11 21:03:18 Someone call BDude and tell him to get over to Cindy... 

24887 jpakma 2012-04-11 21:07:36 @BB it's going to be difficult to avoid that Cindy offer 

24888 Pats-Pwr 2012-04-11 21:07:38 @NaH: Stop wearing that red lipstick when you are drinking your wine and you won't have that problem with 

your glasses. :-) 

24889 Brooks 2012-04-11 21:38:05 Male breast reduction with financing available....this is just one amazing country. 

Say good night O'Neill 

24890 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 22:22:10 Brooks, one of my first jobs was building data services for US Healthcare, now owned by Aetna. A few things 

struck me as unusual: we had 3 options for person's gender (male, female, in-transition). And to support the 3rd 

option the state of Georgia was covering the sex change operation and recovery. This is an amazing country. 

24891 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-11 22:27:09 Way to go FLYERS!!! 

Way to get some offense, Phillies! 

A great night to be a Philly sports fan! 

24892 BuffaloLou 2012-04-11 22:30:35 @louas - I picked up a 2/1 offer from woot on the Clayhouse PS in an earlier offer. I'm thinking of popping one 

tonight to make a quick decision. I'll report back. 

@WiM - TY for the link!! Very kind of you to remember! BTW, yeah, the Kaella Rose' is rockin'! 

24893 NY Pete 2012-04-11 22:49:45 Sheila rediscovers the hills 

wuwt 

24894 tonyo 2012-04-11 23:10:33 Nick Swisher is a goofball but he came through tonight ! 

24895 mr21cbs 2012-04-11 23:34:20 NYPete, good luck to your Devils. This won't be easy. 

24896 Pats-Pwr 2012-04-11 23:44:28 On Saturday I am heading off for a week in Las Vegas to attend NAB Show 2012 and I just realized I never 

checked if any other Inmates are going to be in town and interested in meeting.up for dinner or just drinks. 




24897 BuffaloLou 2012-04-11 23:50:54 @louas – re: Clayhouse PS - I popped an '09 Block 87 PS (Red Cedar Vineyard, Paso Robles). Color is opaque 

purple-black. Aromatics on the PnP were robust, with intense black and blue fruits leading the way and smoke, a 

hint of tobacco, and beef jerky following. It's a tannic beast at the moment that really needs cellaring; decanting 

at the least. Plenty of mouth drying tannins give a dry cotton-mouth finish. The palate is a little challenged at 

the moment; but I think that's because I popped it 5 minutes ago and did not decant. 14.1% ABV and you 

wouldn't know it. I'll report back in a bit as this breathes, but I did go in for "2 deals" on woot. I think this will be 

a winner with some cellaring. At $16/bottle, it's a buy. 

Update: with some swirling, and a little more time, the palate is starting to show some intense black fruits, but 

certainly not OTT. Mouthfeel started out a bit thin, but is becoming more intense with air. 

Update II: Whoa! This is starting to explode in the glass! Tasting more cola, perhaps cherry cola. Starting to 

think it should have been a '3 deal buy' instead of a '2 deal buy'... 

24898 BuffaloLou 2012-04-12 00:13:00 "Top 100 Tuesday" coming to WTSO on Tuesday, April 24th - Just what my cellar, and credit card, needs... 

Anyway, should be interesting. 

24899 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-12 01:17:01 Thanks Brooks.........there goes my stake in www.mansiere.com .....way to go bro! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJ8Jxt9qrM 

24901 vinmoet 2012-04-12 08:21:26 I hand wash the wine glasses. Fill sink with water, high grade dish soap, and ammonia. An alternative is to use a 

spray bottle of Windex rinsing with tap water. The ammonia takes anything oily, even lipstick, right off. 

24902 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-12 08:46:34 @NYP I'm always in the Hills, but I don't always post. 

24904 louas 2012-04-12 09:50:47 Thanks Blou. I decided to sit it out. Credit cards took a beating on NYC trip. Had a couple memorable meals in 

downtown Manhattan. The first featured delicate handmade pasta at a place called Spina. 1/2 price wines that 

night so we explored a wine I had never even heard of called Scioppettino. From Friuli. The perfect wine for a 

great evening. 

Also had a great meal at Peasant. Wood fired everything. Ms. Louas devoured spit roasted hen and I did the 

same to porchetta with roasted potatoes. Started with Burrata with wood roasted tomatoes. Yowza. Nice wine 

too, can't remember the name. Deli, seafood, Passover feasting. A solid 5 pounds in just 7 days 

thankyouverymuch. 

24907 BrunelloBob 2012-04-12 12:50:34 Bit of a sale going on at JJ Buck... 

24908 johnr 2012-04-12 13:26:45 Yea, I struck before posting....Great White Burgs, Lafon 09 charmes 30% off!! 




24909 BrunelloBob 2012-04-12 13:40:23 Valdicava Roso, Fuligni Rosso (both hard to get at discount) and a 1995 Castelgicondo Bdm (1995 is a great 

vintage and I thought they were All gone). Threw in some interesting whites to round out the order... 

24910 BrunelloBob 2012-04-12 13:47:47 Someone poached the last of a vintage Schramsburg sparkler out from underneath me... 

24911 johnr 2012-04-12 14:22:33 ALL of the good stuff was gone by 1:30pm. 08 JJ Prum under $20. 

24912 ptaylor2112 2012-04-12 14:56:52 Does anyone know about the Burgundies on the JJ Buckley sale? 

If not, we need a Vinmoet of Burgundy. 

24913 BrunelloBob 2012-04-12 14:59:25 I don't think anybody knows anything about Burgundy. If we did, we wouldn't be hanging out on a "discount" 

wine site. :lol: 

(Vinmoet excepted, perhaps) 

24914 KaellaDave 2012-04-12 16:06:36 Hi folks. Someone altered me to something of interest over here. :) 

Let me say hello and thank you for the shout out on the 2011 Rose'! 

24915 johnr 2012-04-12 16:39:18 @PTaylor....To answer your question the whites were much better than the reds. They had some nice Lafons 

and Ramonets but, they went fast. I got 1 of each. Mostly 1cru no Grands but you are never going to get Grands 

on sale unless they are crap vintages, they are just too small on quantities. The reds were the middle of road, 

mainly village and few nice Faivelley 1cru mixed in. A few nice MF Mugiards but again no real baller deals. I did 

see a Les Suchot from Jadot. Jadot above village level makes really nice stuff. I did see a few nice Volnays. LBW 

had a ton of Lafarges a little bit ago, he is great producer, especially his Chenes. They had a few 04 Clos de Tart, 

but 04 is a wildly uneven vintage in the region. The inmates will tell you that if it was good, it would have been 

gone long before it got posted here. BB and I don't play games with wine retailers. 

24916 BrunelloBob 2012-04-12 17:34:37 Welcome Dave, don't let johnr scare you. :lol: 

x 

Speaking of/to JohnR: We could use a bit more of that Burg knowledge around here, buddy. Especially on the 

reds. ("Johnmoet" ? nahhh... :) ) 

24917 johnr 2012-04-12 19:09:26 @BB.....considering the abuse the Blou takes on a daily basis here and abroad, I am quite happy to merely lurk 

and post from time to time. 

24918 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-12 19:14:54 Welcome, @KaellaDave! Glad you came to visit when my favorite rose' was the QPR! Don't be a stranger here in 

the Hills! We all take our meds and play (reasonably) well together! 

I sent @luddite a list on the Buckley sale and he only came out with the '07 Prum for under $20 ea. Must've been 

crazy early on, things were popping out as I was looking right at the official start of the sale. 

@BB Saw that aged sparkler and had it on my list to no avail, also the two Rossos and the aged BdM 

Not that I really need any more wine... 




24919 BrunelloBob 2012-04-12 20:05:55 @PTHC: We're young yet, Plenty of time to drink accumulated wine! 

. 

@JR: Somehow I doubt you fear "abuse" ;) 

. 

Anyone seen the 'Knurd lately? 

24920 BuffaloLou 2012-04-12 22:41:03 I'd like to extend a warm welcome to Kaella Dave, but Dave, you need to show some manners! That icon of 

yours... blowing us a raspberry with your first post?! :lol: 

@BB & JR - I agree with BB, we need more JR around here! Miss you posting, JR! 

Another Patrick Lesec CdP on Cindy tonight. Seems like a really good price for a respectable CdP. Anyone have 

any thoughts/input? 

24921 tonyo 2012-04-12 23:00:13 always hoping that the CdP offered will be the Domaine Grand Veneur............my favorite , by far 

24922 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-13 01:32:36 @Sir TonyO ~ The '09 is 30% off at JJ Buckley ....... that makes it 27.99 and a great year at that! 

I haven't had it, but if its anything like the CdR (the first TH qpr by the way) it must be rockin'! 

@BB ~ SPOT!! has lost his spots.......oh my! 

Goodnight Brooksie!..........and Johnboy!! 

24924 BrunelloBob 2012-04-13 06:50:40 @AFK: SPOT!! is glad you noticed. (S)he's had some "work" done... 

24927 BuffaloLou 2012-04-13 10:07:58 I don't remember where I got this link (If it was from someone here, well, seeing as I can't apologize, please don't 

take offense), but here's a nice recipe for short ribs, braised with Petite Sirah (or your favorite red). I hope to try 

it this weekend. 

http://www.tayloreason.com/corkscrew/tasty-food/recipe-petite-sirah-braised-short-ribs/ 




24928 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-13 12:37:25 Speaking of ribs..........pork not beef..........I have a few friends that are, as they're known around here, pit 

masters. I've combined the things that I liked about their recipes mixed with mine and after a little trial (and 

plenty of error), I've gotten my recipe to the point where I like it. Not too hot, not too sweet. The plan is to 

eventually market it locally, sooo, I need some input from the TH crowd. 

Just send me your address and I'll send you enough to smoke a rack of ribs. Smoke a rack using my rub and some 

the way you usually do and give me your comments, suggestions, or snide remarks! 

Also good on pork shoulder, butt, tenderloin, and even chicken. Just rub it on, wrap in plastic wrap, refrigerate 4 

hours to overnight, and then smoke as you normally do. Be sure to use it on a grill or smoker. The smoke does 

something to the spices and it's just not the same in the oven. 

texasheritagebulbs at gmail dot com 

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming! 

24929 BrunelloBob 2012-04-13 12:53:43 Generous offer AFK, but we don't smoke meat in Connecticut. 

Most of us are herbivours, however, if there are other shipping options... :lol: :lol: :lol: 

24930 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-13 13:03:30 Don't look SPOT!! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tviyAIS9c_U 

24931 BuffaloLou 2012-04-13 13:10:10 @AFK - TY for the offer! Email sent. Can't wait to try it! 

re: smoking - do you recommend any particular type of wood to smoke with the rub? I usually use apple or 

hickory. 

24932 tonyo 2012-04-13 13:39:14 @AFK: address sent............speaking of the "Beef, It's What's for Dinner" commercials............how much of a tool 

is Matthew MCaughneheny (I'm sure that is spelled wrong but you know the dude).....they are hilarious...... 

24934 Pats-Pwr 2012-04-13 15:22:22 Welcome to the Asylum, @KaellaDave! You didn't want to use the "winestein" handle here in The Hills? 

@AFK: Thanks for the offer, I will shoot you an email as well. Maybe I will use it to smoke up a rack to share at 

Josie's Garden Party III in July and get everyone's feedback for you. That is if I can hold off that long to try it. ;-) 




24935 KaellaDave 2012-04-13 15:59:25 I came up with 'winestein' and joined WLTV long before Kaella Winery was even born. I thought since I had to 

come up with something here, I may as well do something different. I make my own dry rub and smoke in a 

digital Bradley. Getting to be about that time of year, I'll email AFK to give his a try. 

24938 tonyo 2012-04-13 17:25:57 Bill "The Spaceman" Lee (former MLB pitcher and current loon/winemaker) will be at a local wine shop signing 

bottles of his wine......that should be interesting...."Hey Bill, what would you pair with Panama Red"? 

24939 BuffaloLou 2012-04-13 18:22:49 @KaellaDave - How do you like the Bradley, Dave? I've heard good things about them, but they are pricy. 

24941 BrunelloBob 2012-04-13 20:00:56 Don't get The Spaceman too F-up, I need him to pitch this season. 

24942 mr21cbs 2012-04-13 21:41:39 Does anybody want to play goalie for the Flyers or the Pinguins? This hockey game forces me to switch to hard 

liqueur. 

24943 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-13 21:49:45 @mr21cbs That's funny, the goal-a-thon forced me to switch to water. And sweet potato chips... 

24944 mr21cbs 2012-04-13 22:26:51 @WiM I was writing this when we were down 4:5 in a span of a few seconds. WOW! That was a heart attack 

game. 

24945 BuffaloLou 2012-04-13 22:34:25 Triple D. It's da bomb! 

24946 McMalbec 2012-04-13 22:55:57 I've got the computer virus blues( RELAX- all day repair fixed it) . Techie said be very careful opening emails, even 

if they appear to be from someone you know if they look at all unusual {ie, no subject line}. 

Unwinding tonight with some ear candy from the 70's. Remember this great performance? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hL8GwidZcg&feature=related 

24947 vinmoet 2012-04-13 23:01:10 I have tried apple wood, cherry wood, and even grape from my own grape vine roots. Bottom line is that hickory 

provides the most wonderful, intense smoke flavor. We did strip steaks on a gas grill tonight. Placed on the 

upper rack after the iron smoke box containing the hickory chips started to smoke. Smoke the heck out of them 

and then place them on a dish to cool outside. Still red inside. Then, when ready to eat, char them on the 800 

degree iron grates so they are black on the outside, red on the inside, and smoke laden. Match that to a solid 

Bordeaux, and, voila. Perfection. 

Of course, JMHO. 




24948 jpakma 2012-04-13 23:36:43 @vin you left out the fries from McDs. You'd be proud as tonight I opened a 1986 Château Prieuré-Lichine that 

was purchased from an auction lot off Zachy's. This wine is drinking fantastically, displays a beautiful core of fruit 

(cherry, sweet dark fruits), surrounded by wet earth, mushroom, cedar, leather, and ripe tannins. The balance is 

impeccable and the finish is long with lingering fruit and earthy notes. 

With all this talk of food i thought i might ask if anyone had a great recipe for poutine? 

24949 vinmoet 2012-04-13 23:50:02 Alas, such a light dish this Poutine of yours. No recipe here. 

Left you some notes on Cindy regarding the '86. 

Meanwhile, am trapped. The manchild has gone to bed. Being the solid dad and husband that I am, am watching 

"Emma" with the wife and two daughters. Have plowed through a 2004 Ponet Canet (great Chateau, nasty 

vintage) and secretly cracked some '07 CDR to get me through the movie. Want to fall asleep during Mr. Darcy 

(oops, wrong movie) but daughters know me and won't let me doze off. How to get out of this (posting here as 

an escape and under the premise of using the facilities)?. A guy can only handle just so many chick flix... 

24950 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-14 01:13:07 Here's the rub.............looks like I need to mix up some more..........get those samples mailed out soon! 

Agree with vinny.......hard to beat hickory.......I use pecan myself.....thats just a form of hickory with a better set 

of nuts....TWSS 

Really Dave........a digital smoker..........what has the world come to? Sounds like we need to do a rub swap......oh 

that sounds bad! 

@Mac ~ Thanks for da blues..........you got my crazy cur One-eyed Jack's ears perked up with that one! 

@Pats ~ If you're doing the Garden Party, I'll throw in some extra rub for the lost inmates! 

Nite all!!! 




24951 David T 2012-04-14 01:14:41 I'm hoping our inmate TonyO uses more common sense and wears more clothing around bears than his 

governor. Or eats them if that's leagal in Vermont. (I can't say I've had one myself but my mom did in her youth 

in rural Wisconsin and says they are tasty) 

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2012/04/13/vermont-governor-bears.html 

24954 NaH 2012-04-14 07:06:50 RE: Birth Year Wines 

Someday I hope to enjoy a personal birth year ('86) wine myself; I'm glad jpakma did! As far as poutine, I'd 

suggest you head to the wltv forum and ask its resident Canadians. 

P-P, was there really a garden party last year? If so I missed any postings about it either before or after the fact. If 

there will be one this year I hope to hear more so I can hopefully be in attendance. 

1986 is still rocking. Many wines that I've tasted have many years left. 

1969 (my year) wasn't great for wines and most now are DEAD IN BOTTLE. (DIB) 

24955 tonyo 2012-04-14 08:14:59 @Dave T: our current governor is a media whore.....the guy will do anything to get on television, even running 

bare from a bear............I have never eaten bear, I think they are an animal best left to torment 

politicians............... 

24956 tonyo 2012-04-14 09:02:27 curious if any of teh Philly area inmates remember this band (very cheesy 80's video featuring bad hair but the 

band was solid IMO)................ 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flKl6m4oiyo 

24957 louas 2012-04-14 09:56:50 @AFK: e-mail sent. I am partial to Mesquite for smokin on the Grill. 

24958 louas 2012-04-14 12:08:19 VEERRRY INTERESTING! Anyone tried any of this? 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/14/marijuana-laced-wine-grows-more-fashionable-in-californiawine-country.html 

24961 McMalbec 2012-04-14 13:02:45 The world is a bit brighter today (despite the tornado watch). Looking out the window at my unmowed lawn 

reminded me of this classic: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKcGCObEb28 

24962 BrunelloBob 2012-04-14 19:47:40 "The Red Sox are BACK and there's gonna be trouble, Hey La, Hey La The SOX ARE BACK!" 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewjxzSGmOGw 

24964 BuffaloLou 2012-04-14 20:20:57 Cooked a bone-in pork loin on the grill tonight. Did a simple marinade of S&P, our home grown, dried garlic, 

and EVOO. Vacuum sealed and froze for 2 months. It absolutely rocked! 




24965 TonyO 2012-04-15 10:16:32 The need for more cowbell brins us all together her in the 802....................... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uGVspV4K4 

24967 BuffaloLou 2012-04-15 10:17:53 Interesting info on today's QPR: (for future reference: the 2010 Domaine de Fontsainte Corbières Gris de Gris) 

http://www.sergetheconcierge.com/2008/11/not-color-blind-gris-de-gris-wine-in-another-shade-of-pink-sud-defrance-2.html 

24968 NY Pete 2012-04-15 13:09:17 fwiw, that low ball price on the gris de gris QPR is on a case purchase ... cheers 

24969 BuffaloLou 2012-04-15 14:47:08 Have the Petite Sirah braised short ribs in the oven now. At the half way point, they smell fantastic; braising 

liquid is very tasty! 

24971 TonyO 2012-04-15 17:17:48 @BL: had braised short ribs last night at a great local restaurant. The appetizer of seared rabbit loin over grilled 

polenta was made even better with a bottle of Copain PN............just popped a 2008 Dutch Bill Creek PN, Russina 

River (Last Bottle deal @$15)....this is a style that is very red fruit and that telltale barnyard aroma....I like it ! 

Might be a bit light for the smoked skirt steak tacos I am working on.............had a nice 100 mph + run up the 

interstate earlier today when a couple Canucks in an Acura NSX wanted to see if the SS Camaro could run with 

them........the answer is yes.........got the heart racing right along with the RPMs.........not making a habit of that ! 




24973 BuffaloLou 2012-04-15 19:08:53 2008 Rosenblum Cellars 

Petite Sirah Rockpile Road Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Rockpile (4/15/2012) 

Enjoyed this with beef short ribs braised in Petite Sirah (McManis 2010). This Rosenblum PS was big enough and 

fruity enough to stand up to the big meal. 

C: opaque plum 

N: dark chocolate, milk chocolate, blackberries, it's very 'sweet and black' 

P: just like the nose, dark chocolate, berries, with vanilla ("blackberries and cream") 

F: long, slightly tannic, dusty and mouth drying tannins give this the finish I love. 

This wine is so delicious and drinking so well now, there is no reason to sit on it. Enjoy! (91 points) 


24974 BuffaloLou 2012-04-15 19:26:59 Odd, I did a refresh before I posted and TO's post didn't show up. After I posted, it was there. Hmmm... 

@TO - Wow, the seared rabbit loin over grille polenta sounds fantastic! 

@TO, pt 2 - Was the Acura parked in the left lane? Around here, most of the 'Ontario plates' (and there are a lot 

of them!) are nearly always parked in it. They are, after all, good, fast, drivers. {sic.} 

24981 BuffaloLou 2012-04-16 15:10:23 Did I done broke this thing again? ;) 

24982 mr21cbs 2012-04-16 16:07:11 Nope, not yet. But it would be a good test of stability. Fire away :twisted: 

24986 BaroloDude 2012-04-16 18:37:16 if any of you bought the Elyse Tietjen Cab on CW today before it pumpkined, you will be happy. Love that stuff. 

Glad i tuned in too late for it though... i already have enough. 

Hope all is well with all a y'all THers. 

Last night's Del DOtto 2005 Lot S Cab Sauv (BDB Bordeaux oak barrel) was grrrreat with a big rib eye. Hint... the 

"S" stands for grapes or juice from another famous Napa producer that begins with that letter... ;-) They have 

made a Lot B and a Lot R too... 





2009 Snoqualmie 

Vineyards Riesling Naked - USA, Washington, Columbia Valley (4/16/2012) 

Ripping acidity balanced with RS showing notes of pear and apricot. Nice wine; enjoyable, but nothing to 

write home about. Would drink again, but would not buy as there other choices that are better for similar price 

(Loosen Bros "Dr. L" comes to mind). 

Went well with panko crusted fried chicken as acidity cut through the fat. (86 points) 


24988 BuffaloLou 2012-04-16 19:08:13 @BDude - Would love to have purchased the Elyse Cab, but wasn't interested in the other two, so I passed. 

Also, where (and when) did you buy the Del DOtto 2005 Lot S Cab Sauv? 

@cbs - be careful my friend, do you recall with whom you speak? I've been restraining myself! ;) 

24989 jpakma 2012-04-16 20:22:17 Drank my first bottle of 2009 CdP and if this bottle is an indication of others in the vintage then I am going to 

have to seek more of 2009s. Most of the 2007s that I tasted were over-extracted and somewhat a hot mess, this 

wine was anything but that and is available from Wine Exchange at just under $40. 

2009 Domaine Jean 

Royer Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Prestige - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Châteauneuf-du-Pape 

(4/16/2012) 

Beautiful translucent red in the glass with pink rose' hues at the meniscus. The nose is an elegant mix of crushed 

raspberry and strawberry, some light florals, spice and garrigue. The nose is intoxicating and seductive. The wine 

is silky smooth and there is a lot of structure here. Raspberry and strawberry laced with spice lead the way to 

some earthy notes on the finish. The finish is long and very pleasing. Overall, my only issue with the wine was 

some slight heat on the finish but this was an outstanding wine and a definite re-buy for me. (93 points) 





24991 BuffaloLou 2012-04-16 21:55:53 Space news: "The Lyrid meteor shower is expected to reach maximum intensity overnight from Saturday to 

Sunday (April 21 to 22), with the best observing opportunities coming between midnight and dawn on the 22nd 

local time, experts say. The moon will be nearly new at that time, so its glare shouldn't drown out too many of 

the Lyrids' brief flashes." 


Good news: I'm camping this weekend where dark skies are never an issue. 

Better news: It's a new moon! 

Bad news: We're expecting rain. Ugh! 

Hope you get the opportunity to get to some dark skies, sit back with a glass of vino, and enjoy nature's show! 


Petite Sirah Heritage Clones - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Contra Costa County (4/16/2012) 

C: Opaque plum 

N: Huge jammy blackberry 

P: Huge wine! Blackberry, blueberry, black currants. 

F: Long and dusty (TWSS) 

This wine grows and grows. Big nose, bigger on the palate, even bigger still on the mid-palate. Strong finish that 

lasts and lasts with dusty tannins. (90 points) 


24993 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-16 22:29:53 Hey BDude, what's up with the Freak??? And your defense... 

24995 David T 2012-04-17 08:06:45 @vinmoet Curious for your take on Latour's announcement that they won't be selling en primeur any longer? 

24996 john o' 2012-04-17 08:14:59 I know the question was not directed at me, but I think Latour's plan is brilliant, as long as they can take the cash 

flow hit (which based on their library is probably not a big issue). 




24998 vinmoet 2012-04-17 09:08:09 Its theoretically better for consumers since the wine is sold when ready and there won't be the guessing of its 

prospects in the barrel (which is why Parker scores a range and then comes back and assigns a final number). 

I think they save on the negociant fees but lose out on the buzz of the speculation. The short term restriction on 

cash flow would be a problem for many other Chateaux. This may be the future for many but its way too early to 

tell. 

24999 Brooks 2012-04-17 10:12:10 Hold fast to that which is good...I will not go into details...please ..teach your children well ...about 

driving...motorcycles..other potentially dangerous activities etc. This weekend I witnessed from a short distance 

a most horrific accident that could have been avoided. A neighbor has lost a son. In a NY minute, everything can 

change. UBC will get a full day of driving safety refresher when he returns from college in three weeks. 

^ 

I trust all is well and hope for more to attend Philly event. I am also working on dates for trip to VT to see TonyO 

and the One Who Is Missed..also to meet SPOT!'s parents. I have been in full court press on all family and biz 

fronts...this thing called life is two full time jobs. Be well. 

25001 ptaylor2112 2012-04-17 11:36:14 @Brooks - I am sorry to hear that. My 3 kids will get extra hugs tonight. 

ptaylor2112 

25002 NaH 2012-04-17 12:40:53 @ptaylor 

When is the Philly offline? I may be there in early June. 

In other news, my "last bottle" Last Bottle foray is 1 for 2. The 1999 Pillar Rock Cab was awful. It had a brightness 

of fruit that was just way out of place. It was as if someone had made the wine, bottled it, then laced it with a 

touch of sugar. But the 2009 Evening Land Bourgogne was pleasant. 

The Philly Offline is May 19th (early, early June) at Sonata Restaurant. 

Contact me at PhillyOffline@hotmail.com for info. 



25003 BrunelloBob 2012-04-17 16:16:43 Anyone bite on this gem from WTSO? 

100 pt Left-Bank Bordeaux 

La Mission Haut-Brion 

Pessac-Leognan 2009 

$849.99 


It sold out. Vinny? 

25004 vinmoet 2012-04-17 16:36:17 Did not see it. A bit out of my price range but will be considered a steal down the road. 

25008 johnr 2012-04-17 17:59:00 @BB...I hope that no one was dumb enough to bite on that. 09 and 10 Bordeaux are the biggest waste of money 

in the wine game. Even more than Cali Kult Kabs. There is a bubble in Bordeaux. Go buy 89 or 90, heck even 00 

at half price. Already aged and ready to drink. If you want to be ahead of the investment game, buy Barolo and 

Burgundy. 

25009 TonyO 2012-04-17 19:58:27 Popped a 2009 Esser Cab.............simply put, this is the best Bab under $10 I have ever had.......delicious 

25011 TonyO 2012-04-17 21:09:51 Bab? Wow, TonyO has derailed........ 

25012 BrunelloBob 2012-04-17 21:25:05 I think "Bab" has higher alcohol than your run-of-the-mill "Cab". 

Kinda like Canadian beer vs. American lager. 

25013 luddite 2012-04-17 21:31:01 @Brooks/WiM: Check your email for HSC deal! 

25015 BuffaloLou 2012-04-17 22:02:00 Popped a 2007 Simonassi Malbec "1922" (Andes Mountains, Argentina) - This is terrible! It's all acid and nothing 

but acid! Giving it a '70' is generous. 

25018 Daniel Mattisson 2012-04-18 10:50:01 HSC deal? Would love to hear about it! 

25019 BuffaloLou 2012-04-18 11:48:24 +1 on the HSC deal... 

25021 BuffaloLou 2012-04-18 14:00:17 Phone just rang. "This is Jonathan calling from Rosenblum Cellars. We'd like to offer you a new deal we have 

running; FREE SHIPPING AND 30% OFF." 

And I was doing so well this month... 



25023 BuffaloLou 2012-04-18 14:38:35 Heard today on Rachael Ray: 


"My husband prefers the dark meat." (Hmmm... I bet he does!) 

"Oooo, he's kind of soft." (After picking up a vegi.) 

"You can also do a combination: A couple breasts and a couple thighs." (Nothing like a sampler... ) 

"I keep my nuts in the freezer." (Yikes! I feel sorry for her husband!) 

How about one big "TWSS"! 

25024 BuffaloLou 2012-04-18 16:07:45 RIP Dick Clark. New Years Eve will never be the same. 

25026 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-18 20:04:46 FWIW, I called the local distributor of the QPR wine and was able to get the 2011 version sent to my LWS for 

under $12/btl case price. I can share if any of the usual suspects want to try a couple. 

25027 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-18 20:24:44 Ho1y Cr4p Batman! Don't know what there's been more of in this game- goals or penalties! GO FLYERS! 

25028 BrunelloBob 2012-04-18 21:13:40 Re: The bubbles on Cindy. Those two guys on CT have got some credibility. Plus, it's my anniversary year. In for 

one. 

x 

And BTW: Is this Daniel Dude a new kid on the block? If so, Welcome Sir! 

25029 BuffaloLou 2012-04-18 22:32:29 A WTSO deal popped tonight: 

2006 Bradford Mountain 

Zinfandel Grist Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Dry Creek Valley (4/18/2012) 

C: Ruby 

N: licorice, cocoa, vanilla, intense blackberry 

P: Like the nose, blackberry, licorice and cocoa, plus spice. Nice amount of acid makes it food friendly. 

F: medium 

Nice wine. Good value for <$14. (89 points) 





25030 David T 2012-04-18 23:02:43 BLou should have been in Cleveland tonight. A nice petite sirah tasting at Loren Sonkin's house, with two whites 

to open. All were blind. 

2003 Cloudy Bay Sauvignon Blanc 

2002 Huet Sec Le Mont 

1992 La Jota Petite Sirah Thompson Vyd 

1994 Stags' Leap Winery Petite Sirah 

1997 Ridge Petite Sirah York Creek 

1998 Mirrasou Petite Sirah 

1999 EOS Petite Sirah 

2000 Turley Petite Sirah Hayne Vineyard 

2002 Pride Mountain Vineyards Petite Sirah 

2005 Chateau Montelena Petite Sirah 

2006 Jaffurs Petite Sirah Thompson Vineyard 

2009 Tres Sabores Petite Sirah 

My WOTN was the Stags Leap, the group's was the Pride. I'll post notes as soon as I get them typed up. 

25034 BuffaloLou 2012-04-19 10:04:26 @DT - Nice Wednesday evening! The Stags Leap PS has always been good. Usually shows more restraint than 

many others. Is Loren a big PS fan or was it just a theme and everyone brought PS? Looking forward to your TNs. 

Petite Sirah: Zinfandel's best friend. 

25035 AdamEmpire 2012-04-19 10:22:19 Hello, I hope everyone is well. New Ship4Free up today, thought I would give you guys a heads up. Expecting this 

one to go pretty quick. Thanks! 

25036 Ctwino 2012-04-19 11:48:48 Hey Adam....just put in my order. Thanks for the heads-up. 

25037 BrunelloBob 2012-04-19 12:22:18 In, Thanks Adam, 

CTwino Back in the House! 




25038 BaroloDude 2012-04-19 12:26:18 catching up a bit... 

WiM... the Freak will likely stabilize eventually, he has had some shaky streaks each of the last two years. But 

this one is more troublesome for sure. The defense will come around if Pagan starts improving. Maybe this is 

why the Mutts let him go. 

BLOU... i bought my DelD from the winery. Can't afford them anymore as their prices moved up too much. BUt 

back then the Lot S, Lot R and Lot B were steals, especially when you know what juice (cults) are inside. 

I caved on the Colonello twopack on WTSO a day ago. I am ashamed... I was doing so well and working the 

inventory down. 

Sadly i must report that a DelD 07 887 Vineyard Colbert Oak (my favorite vineyard/barrel combo of theirs) bottle 

was broken in the cellar and leaked out. I salvaged one brilliant glass out of it. Sob. Now both sides of the cellar 

have had massive leakage and are stained etc.. 

anyone ever try to clean up leaked wine from wooden shelves in a cellar? what did you do? DO you just wear 

the red stain as a badge of honor (it tends to get sticky on the labels of other bottles though...) or did you find a 

safe way of cleaning it off the wood (short of sandpaper!) and even off labels of stained bottles? 

Ciao for now... Go Giants. Go Sharks. 

25039 BaroloDude 2012-04-19 12:35:48 BBob... Casanova di Neri alert... Vins Rare. Big sale on the std 06 BdM. Trying.... to.... resist..... 

25040 BrunelloBob 2012-04-19 12:45:43 Dude: Got a link? I can't find it. 

Asking mostly out of curiosity. Cellar is seriously out of balance with Brunello :lol: Imagine That! 

25041 BaroloDude 2012-04-19 12:51:15 it must have JUST sold out! (it was 29.99, 10 bucks lower than the next cheapest seller on WineSearcher) 

The Fanti deal they had last week disappeared fast too. 

Sign up for their emails. 

I just clicked on the email offer and it is no longer found on their site. I don't know whether to be bummed or 

relieved. 

25042 john o' 2012-04-19 13:07:24 Great looking QPR on Last Bottle. Auvigue 2007 Pouilly Fuisse for $12 (free ship on a case). 

WS 88, with a $27 release price. Nice CT notes. 

25043 john o' 2012-04-19 13:09:02 Re: 2007 Casanova di Neri - saw Winex had an email promoting it as well. 




25044 wine magnet 2012-04-19 14:22:18 BDude: If there is no finish on your wood racking, try using oxalic acid as a wood bleach. I've used it for over 40 

years to remove water, iron, body fluids (blood, etc) from wood. . You should be able to find it at a good paint 

store or on line. Real Milk Paint Company in PA, among others sells it on line. Use it as follows for good results: 

The way I use oxalic acid is to mix about a couple of tablespoons into about a quart of hot tap water and let it 

dissolve. Then use a small brush and paint it on the dark areas only. Allow it to dry. The stain will lighten as it 

dries. If it does not disappear, then do another coat. Be patient and let it dry as you may need to coat it three or 

four times, depending upon the severity of the stains (allowing time to dry between coats). When the stain is 

gone you might experience a slight halo/ring effect around the area where the stain was bleached. To eliminate 

this, saturate a rag/sponge with the oxalic acid solution and wipe a thin coat over the stain and surrounding area. 

Allow to dry. This should take care of these stains, which are likely a buildup of the dried acid crystals/powder. 

The final step is neutralization. You need to neutralize the acid so it will not react with a finish (should you be 

planning one). Mix up two tablespoons of borax (in the detergent area in a supermarket) in a quart of hot water. 

25045 john o' 2012-04-19 14:36:03 I'm a big fan of Last Bottles deals. I've picked up on one of their tricks, though. I mentioned below the Pouille 

Fuisse deal. I found it by clicking on their site about 1.5 hours ago. Five minutes ago, the e-mail announcing the 

deal comes out and 2 minutes ago, when I click to it, it's already sold out. 

To get their best deals, you need to check their web site and not wait for the announcements. 

25046 BrunelloBob 2012-04-19 14:37:39 Dude: you could just paint everything red. Sounds easier... :lol: 

Heck of a price on the 'Neri. Shipping would have been the only thing stopping me from buying... 

Just got a case delivered from the JJBuck power/clearance sale of last week. It's like Christmas when I open a box 

like that. 

Bought one bottle that I thought was a 750, turned out to be a 375. A second that I thought was a 750, was a 

1500. So, despite being an Idiot, I guess I'm ahead of the game... 

25048 Hinrgman 2012-04-19 14:58:28 JohnO - got LBW email @ 12:43. Sometimes your email acc't holds back on emails. Google is notorious for that. 

They used to post offers on twitter but for some reason stopped. They may send out emails based on 

geographical location but I doubt that level of sofistication. 

25049 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-19 14:58:56 @WM what I want to know is how many bodily fluids are leaking onto your wine racks... what goes on down 

there??? 

@BBob and @BDude and @CTWino all in the house! It's a Happy Thursday! 

Had to unsubscribe from many of the offers- too much temptation, no space and no funds for now...sigh 




25050 Ctwino 2012-04-19 15:05:40 BB-- and all inmates. I have always been in the "house" but between work, family and various other things pulling 

me in various directions I have not had a lot of time to post. To make up for my lack of attention, i have no wine 

info to share with you bit i have a great recipe. Please run, do not walk, to try this. I would imagine it would pair 

well with lots of whites. I have made it numerous times but have never paired it with a wine (which should tell 

you where my life had\s been as of late). This soup is SO amazingly easy and delicious that you (if you are me) 

will have one of those moments where you smack yourself on the forehead and wonder how you have managed 

to live all these years without knowing about it and making it and eating it at every possible opportunity. The 

soup is as healthy as you can get – the ingredients are pretty much chicken broth, a few eggs, lemon juice, 

chicken, shredded carrots, a handful of orzo pasta and some herbs – but because of how it is put together, it 

comes out in this rich, creamy format that feels positively sinful. If you didn’t know better, you would swear that 

there was a boatload of heavy cream lurking in this one…but there isn’t! Not a drop! That in and of itself makes 

this worth a try. 

CHICKEN SOUP WITH AVGOLEMONO AND ORZO 

1 roasted chicken (meat shredded) 

2 carrot, finely chopped 

8 cloves garlic, smashed and chopped 

3 stalks celery, finely chopped 

1 Spanish or sweet onion, finely chopped 

2 fresh bay leaves or 3 dried leaves 

6 large sprigs thyme 

olive oil 

2 32 oz chicken broth 

white wine to taste (I use lots) 

extra better than bullion to taste 

/ 

25051 BrunelloBob 2012-04-19 15:24:25 Forwarding chicken soup recipe to Beautiful Wife, who is in charge of cooking, for future reference. Thanks. 

BrunelloBob is more qualified as family Sommelier than as chef... 

How much white wine is "lots"? 

Chardonnay, I assume? Maybe S.B. with the lemon juice? Pinot Grigio probably safe... 

25052 Ctwino 2012-04-19 15:37:56 Love that you call your wife beautiful. So sweet. Lots means....well Lots. I dunno, I cook by feel. 1/2 bottle or so. 

But then again I am a wino so take it all in stride. 




25053 BrunelloBob 2012-04-19 15:39:58 CT: Beautiful Wife is also a wino (one of her many enduring qualities :) ). A half bottle is probably a "floor' in our 

house, rather than a "ceiling",.. Thanks again. 

25055 Ctwino 2012-04-19 16:01:19 Me thinks the BB's need to get together with the Ctwino's. :) 

25056 wine magnet 2012-04-19 16:51:44 WIM: The experience with bodily fluids/blood are from doing bio-hazard/trauma scene cleanups as well as 

cleaning up after tenants w/pets. I learned about oxalic acid when I took shop in the 7th and 8th grade and it 

was used then to remove water stains from wood, usually before it was used in some project. In my business, I 

have used it many times to remove water stains from wood walls/floors which have been discolored by plumbing 

or other non-contaminated water issues. 

john o': My email came through at 12:42, but I saw the page first, at about 1:15, and my order was confirmed at 

1:22PM. In the past I have gotten emails after the offer has expired, so I think it has more to be with the service 

through which we receive emails than something that lastbottlewines.com might be doing on their end. I'm sure 

that they just send blanket emails to everyone at once. I keep their site and others open as tabs on my computer 

and periodically click/refresh them to see if something has been added. That practice has allowed me to get 

some of their best offers before they sold out in just minutes. 

25057 BrunelloBob 2012-04-19 17:24:35 @CTwino: I thought we put Brooks in charge of that! 

25058 Ctwino 2012-04-19 19:53:50 Oh Brooksie.....you are now officially in charge. 

25059 johnr 2012-04-19 21:30:29 finally a cindy wine that inspires me to buy..... 

25060 kommander kaos 2012-04-19 22:08:44 The kommander would like to report that even he sometimes makes mistakes. Botswains mate lou mentioned a 

wtso deal on the 06 Bradford Mointain Zin. The kommander spent much time attempting to ascertain exactly 

where he may purchase the BM zin as his stock of that totally righteous qpr was dwindling. The kommander 

needs to drink less java. Good job on the spot on notes Lt. Lou kaos out 

25061 David T 2012-04-19 22:21:09 And the Cindy wine was sold out by the time I could check in to the site :( 

Finishing up packing to fly to SFO tomorrow! 

Once again, if there's anything anyone would like me to bring from Cali to the Philly off-line, let me know soon! 

25064 BuffaloLou 2012-04-19 23:44:22 @David T - Vaya con Dios. 

25066 NaH 2012-04-20 05:15:49 @DavidT What is your itinerary? Which wineries are you visiting? 

25070 BuffaloLou 2012-04-20 09:38:09 Must have been sent into moderation 'cause I used the "V" word... Just got pounded with spam from "Canadian 

Pharmacy" try to sell, surprise, surprise, "v1agr4" (that should work... ) 

25071 mr21cbs 2012-04-20 11:07:37 BuffaloLou, there is nothing in moderation. Use it if you have to... 




25072 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-20 11:59:42 FYI, my QPR suggestion was actually for the 2011 Domaine de Fontsainte Corbières Gris de Gris. It's available for 

$11.99 @ Wine Exchange (winex.com) and MacArthur Beverages in DC. I talked to the distributor earlier in the 

week, and he told me there's not much left in the US! 

25073 David T 2012-04-20 12:52:26 @NaH 

Napa: Hendry (supposed to be very educational which I figure Laura would appreciate more than the wines), 

Schramsberg, Vincent Arroyo are all reserved, Frank if I have time which I doubt I will. 

Sonoma: Plan to stop by Copain and J Rochioli, will call Joseph Swan since they're right around the corner to see 

if they can fit me in, if not I'll head up to Ridge. 

25075 ptaylor2112 2012-04-20 14:50:20 @Barolodude - might you be available tonight at 9pm to comment on this Cindy offer? 

Huge Barolo Riserva offering coming tonight at 9 PM on Cinderellawine.comSeveral weeks ago, one of our Italian 

wine vendors brought in a very special buying opportunity to the Wine Library team. It's a high end, Barolo 

Riserva from an incredible vintage (we will give you a hint...it's more than 10 years old) at a price that is over 50% 

off the regular price! Plus, shipping will be free on all orders of 3 bottles or more! We tasted this here in our WL 

offices and were blown away! At 9 PM we will put this special offer up live on Cinderellawine.com so be ready. 

This will be an offer you won't want to miss! 

25077 BrunelloBob 2012-04-20 15:47:55 This is bad, I need Barolo about as much as I need Brunello... 

At least this one has some age on it... 

25078 BuffaloLou 2012-04-20 15:53:58 @cbs - dunno where it went... No matter. 

25079 BuffaloLou 2012-04-20 15:59:13 Went to a wake today. It was "out in the country." On the way we saw a local resident walking... walking his... 

GOAT! Yes, a goat on a leash. It looked rather humorous. 



25080 BuffaloLou 2012-04-20 16:04:47 OBAMA QUIETLY SEEKING TO CEDE U.S. OCEANS TO U.N. LAW 


"President Obama’s ambitious plan for stepped up government regulation of the oceans includes an 

unreported effort to cede U.S. oceans to United Nations-based international law, WND has learned. 

The plan was previously a pet project of Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, whose ocean-zoning scheme was 

partnered with a globalist group that also aimed to hand over U.S. oceans to U.N. governance. 

Obama’s plan is still in draft form. It calls for an executive order to be issued for a National Ocean Policy that will 

determine how the ecosystem is managed while giving the federal government more regulatory authority over 

any businesses that utilize the ocean." 

The full article: http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/obama-quietly-seeking-to-cede-u-s-oceans-to-u-nlaw/?cat_orig=world 

25083 BaroloDude 2012-04-20 19:16:52 WTF Blou.... you believe everything you read on the internet? You a "birther" too? So many ridiculous things 

circulating these days. 

Wow. How about a mulligan on that post... 

25084 BaroloDude 2012-04-20 19:35:34 sadly i will not be all that available at 6 to view that barolo offer... although later my iphone will have to take a 

peek. ;-) 

Wine House just launched a big cheap deal on Oddero Barolo 07... but i am gonna pass, and that doesn't fit the 

description WL is sending out. 

for barolo that is 10+ yrs old... anything 1996 - 2001 vintage wise was very good (imo) in piedmont. I have had 

some 98s and 99s recently in particular and been very happy with them. 1991-1995 not so much. As a general 

rule, there are exceptions of course... but if i don't know the maker or the opinion of someone i trust... i would 

look at the vintage and then think about it... 

25085 BrunelloBob 2012-04-20 19:46:34 I Don't do politics here. :| 

That is all. 

25086 Hinrgman 2012-04-20 19:50:37 @BDude - Isabella and Cristina Oderro are touring the US. Are they making an appearance near you? 

25087 TonyO 2012-04-20 20:14:55 @BB; Happy 100th Anniversary.......or not 

25088 BrunelloBob 2012-04-20 21:01:20 @IrishTony: This season may Kill me.... 




25089 johnr 2012-04-20 21:01:38 A demigod like hype and utter 

flop..............pazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 

zz 

25090 BrunelloBob 2012-04-20 21:03:43 RE: Cindy's Fantastic Barolo offer: Nevermind... 

25091 BrunelloBob 2012-04-20 21:05:00 JR:You scare me sometimes. Get Out of My head! 

25092 johnr 2012-04-20 21:07:05 Really....A reserve Barolo with NO score. No Galloni, No Tanzer, heck even James "I live in Tuscany" 

Suckling.......really.....the only other retailer is Morrells at $84, but WL is saying $104??? Get the demigod back, 

he is much better with the overhype, under deliver. They need to.....um....... sorry TonyO, apologize! 

25093 luddite 2012-04-20 21:13:17 @BLou: I'm disappointed in you. These are the very kind of posts that made @Mobius and others chase you off 

the WL forums. Please don't do that here :( 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-stewardship-ocean-our-coasts-and-great-lakes 

25095 ptaylor2112 2012-04-20 21:32:09 Yeah, that Barolo offer was a letdown. C'est la vino. 

25096 BrunelloBob 2012-04-20 21:38:00 PTaylor: "Gets it" 

Sometimes Cindy Rocks, Sometimes...not so much.... 

Problem is, you can't "follow the hype". The WLTV board is jumping "all in" right now.... 

I've had this producer, a couple times. At $30, I take a shot. At $50, with no scores. ummmm.... NO. 

25097 TonyO 2012-04-20 21:50:48 @BB: it looks like a tough one.....could be worse, the Vikings may be going to L.A.....I think Valentine is gone by 

All Star break 

25098 johnr 2012-04-20 21:55:38 Honestly, Barolo is the center of the Piedmont, their are many critics, that have made their bones, AG come to 

mind, tasting and rating Barolos and Barbs and not one of those tasted this? Especially with 2000 vintage which 

is special. Phredd, daKnurd and I have some 2000's that are baller 100pts, but those all made 94pts AG. WL is 

pushing this hard and historically, thats a tell in it of itself. If they went 39.99 I would take a flyer, not at $50. 

Uber hype and most of the posters are posting tonight are idiots who follow the crowd, 

25099 BrunelloBob 2012-04-20 22:07:36 @T.O.: I cling to the fact that, 2 years ago, I went public Hard with my arguement that "the UCONN Huskies are 

gonna Suck next year". 

Then they win the National Championship (pretty sue they did it JUST to shut ME up...Not sure....) 

Given that, You need to worry!!!! :lol: 




25101 johnr 2012-04-20 22:32:19 If you are thinking about tonights Cindy Offer...Go buy this instead: 

2000 Podere Rocche dei Manzoni Barolo Vigna Cappella di Santo Stefano $43 WSPRO... 

among the CT notes 99pts WineKnurd, 95NCwino(former Cindy). NC Cindys are going to kill me for posting this 

away. 

25103 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-20 23:28:29 I just watched The Colt a fictional Hallmark movie about the civil war. A very good movie that for some reason 

reminded me of a time when I was a small boy helping our little church out in the country clean up their 

cemetery. A couple of us boys were exploring the woods that bordered the back of the cemetery while the 

adults worked on cleaning up the brush and vines that were encroaching on the graves. We were surprised to 

discover that the forest was not the border of the cemetery but the graves went back into the forest. The 

further we went, the older they got. We were doing a little math and figuring out how old the people were when 

they passed away..........then we found the graves of the soldiers from the civil war...........worn stones, some 

knocked over by trees growing too near to the stones, some couldn't even be read anymore. Most died young, 

very young. Forgotten graves overtaken by the forest......what a shame. 

We shouldn't forget.......a war where both sides lost so much. History that is forgotten is often repeated Now 

that would be a shame! 

Peace 

25104 ptaylor2112 2012-04-21 00:35:03 @johnr -- Is the 2000 Podere still available for $43? I'd be interested. 

25105 David T 2012-04-21 01:51:03 Greetings from San Francisco... 

25107 Hinrgman 2012-04-21 07:20:06 DT - Enjoy your trip. 

25109 Julius 2012-04-21 12:10:01 Putting aside the hype and hysteria, here's my take on the 2000 Damilano Barolo Riserva. Decent producer. "Cru" 

offerings are best (typically reviewed in the very good to excellent, rarely outstanding, range). Riserva has not 

been made in over a decade (a good move). As far as vintages go, WS probably went overboard in their 100 point 

score for 2000. I think the 2001 was better, as well as 1996, 1998 and 1999, especially for ageability. That being 

said, the offer is a reasonable one, but far from a screaming value. Lots of recent deals for <$50 Barolo topped 

it. 

25110 BrunelloBob 2012-04-21 12:22:34 Julius: Well said. 

As usual, the problem is the "hype", not the offer. 

Was really looking forward to a shot at a Great Barolo with some age on it... 




25111 SS Chris 2012-04-21 12:33:24 "Problem is, you can’t 'follow the hype'. The WLTV board is jumping 'all in' right now…." 

LOL 

John R, thanks for the alternative REC. 

25112 TonyO 2012-04-21 12:39:45 @Dave T: as Rip Taylor used to say "Hello Frisco !!!" 

25115 Brooks 2012-04-21 14:42:46 TO or Youk... 

Role over....and play Dead....no month feels more like college to me than April...the flowers...the tunes...canoe 

trips....the suds ....just walkin it home UBC style. Getting ready to attend a BBQ with neighbors that are a bit up 

tight...mmmm...let me see...wine sack...hacky sack...frisbee...flip flops...beads...I am all set. What is that 

sweetheart...business casual? On Saturday? Sure I will shave...A hair cut too? It's April...my month. What in the 

world ever became of sweet Jane. No I have not been dancing with the colorful bears again. But do the colors 

of the Grateful Dead dancing bears have a meaning? No I not going to bring up a sabatical of touring with the 

Dead again at the BBQ..What if the hokey pokey was what it is all about? Yes I will be ready by 5? Let me see. 

bring San Roman or Gran Elias Mora? Just too much stress in my life.......... decisions. PhillyOffline....please get 

theme or I may not attend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

25116 TonyO 2012-04-21 15:29:35 @Brooks: a BBQ with a dress code, are you $^&^*&(& kidding me ? I would bring BOTH the San 

Roman AND the Gran Elias Mora and drink them straight out of the bottle wrapped in a brown paper bag (you 

know, the kind Saints fans will be wearing AGAIN this year.....)....dress code for a TonyO BBQ: 

Shoes; optional except for wing tips which are banned 

Shirts: Hawaiin are preferred, any type of sweater is banned (especially tied around the neck) 

Pants: shorts preferred, Speedos, aka banana hammocks, are banned for all including any Canadians that may 

crash the BBQ 

Eat, Drink and Repeat as needed...................and if you want to get people moving, I have found the following 

music will get most heading to the exits: 

Frank Zappa: "Broken Hearts are for A$$holes" 

Motorhead: "Love Me Like a Reptile" 

Velvet Underground "Venus in Furs" (ok, had to add that one for old times sake) 

Say hi to Thurston and Lovey ! 




25118 John O' 2012-04-21 15:55:53 @Brooks 

Give the San Roman to the wife and the Gran Elias Mora to the husband. Step well clear and watch the fireworks. 

25119 joe g 2012-04-21 17:18:02 bbob... if you were looking for a 'shot at a great barolo with some age on it", what makes you think this isnt 

exactly what you were looking for? 

25120 BrunelloBob 2012-04-21 17:51:43 Simply the fact that you're not buying it joe, of course... 

25121 NaH 2012-04-21 17:58:16 @Brooks RE: Philly Offline theme 

TOGA 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18eaNSxhK5c 

25122 joe g 2012-04-21 18:00:33 respek 

25123 BrunelloBob 2012-04-21 18:25:00 :roll: 

25124 luddite 2012-04-21 18:42:56 Calling nurse Ratched, please place @B² on suicide watch and turn off Fox sports! 

25125 McMalbec 2012-04-21 19:19:16 WTSO brings it's Barolo deal: Azienda Agricola Cavalier Bartolomeo Barolo Solanotto Altenasso DOCG 2007 

$24.99@-free shipping on three. 

What do our Italian experts think? 

25126 BrunelloBob 2012-04-21 19:22:21 Shoot me Ludds....Please.... 

If there's anything at all to our friendship, come up behinfd me and put a Large caliber bullet right through the 

base of my skull... 

gonna be a Long friggin' season... 

25127 BrunelloBob 2012-04-21 19:26:42 In other news: I got $10 that says Brooks shows up at the Philly offline in a bedsheet toga. Shoeless. 

Any takers? 

25128 luddite 2012-04-21 19:30:44 @B²: I say we just drink ourselves to death. Slower than a bullet but way more fun... 

25129 TonyO 2012-04-21 19:32:45 Note to Red Sox: never, I repeat NEVER invite the Yankees to an anniversary party..................... 

25130 BrunelloBob 2012-04-21 19:36:19 Working on it Ludds, but I seem to have a bit of a tolerance.... 

, 

T.O.: Celebrating the birthday of a building is just stupid, probably birthing another damned curse... 

25131 TonyO 2012-04-21 19:59:42 @BB: I am to blame for breaking the curse:.....until 2004, the Yankees beating the Red Sox was one of those 

things you could just count on....it just happened....then the night when Aaron Boone took that hanging 

knucklelball deep, I looked at my lovely, long suffering Boston native/ Red Sox fan wife, and said "enough, this 

has to be then end of this"...and so it was.....until now....... 

25132 BrunelloBob 2012-04-21 20:06:51 I knew your wife was the "better half"... ;) 

25133 TonyO 2012-04-21 20:22:44 @BB: I agree !!!!! 



25135 McMalbec 2012-04-21 23:35:52 For greybearded Inmates on a rainy Saturday night. 

Santo & Johnny 


http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=santo+and+johnny+music&mid=6DEFB37926CA98B1C5E36DEFB379 

26CA98B1C5E3&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1 

25136 BURGHen Boy 2012-04-22 00:47:32 All we have to do now 

Is take these lies and make them true somehow 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QulBUdp-SAQ 

25139 TonyO 2012-04-22 10:44:59 one of the unique voices in music has left us.............hopefully many generations will enjoy the gift that Levon 

Helm left us with...... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Y987Uf1wY&feature=fvwrel 

25141 BrunelloBob 2012-04-22 15:47:57 Is there anything better than red wine on a cool, rainy Sunday afternoon? 

25142 TonyO 2012-04-22 18:23:53 at least one team from Boston is winning..............GO Bs !!!!..............Seguin with a great shot ! 

........... 

25143 BrunelloBob 2012-04-22 18:29:19 Maybe the Sawks will get rained out ....and it will be a good day all around in Beantown... 

25144 TonyO 2012-04-22 19:09:40 2007 Saviez Zin...........black fruit, vanilla, spice.......yup, this is why I am a fan of America's 

varietal....%&^*&( deliciousness without the need for a chemical analysis or an IQ test !!! 

................pour it, drink it, and repeat...............even better the fennel laced sausage and spicy marinara that will 

be ladled over some rigatoni shortly....simple yet satisfying (TWSS)..........maybe a little Sinatra is in 

order.................it just keeps getting better....... 

25145 louas 2012-04-22 21:17:12 @TonyO: Big Ditto on the Saviez Zin!! 

25151 McMalbec 2012-04-23 14:47:30 Tony O and Louas re ' 07 Saviez: thanks for the report-I have some in the cellar. Any opinion as to its useful live? 

25152 AdamEmpire 2012-04-23 15:36:05 If anyone missed out the Mas Doix Salanques 2006 and wants some let me know. Ended up with a few cases still 

available....also check out the Ship4Free site this week for some very limited wines that are in too small of 

quantities to email blast - starting with the current listing. Thank you! 



25153 vinmoet 2012-04-23 15:45:28 OK, I can't make the Philly event but I can still pretend order: 


Just to get a few tastes on the table... 

asparagus soup / crayfish risotto croquette / carrot / mascarpone 

Of course I pick the one vegetable that you can't pair wine with but why let that stop me. 2005 Dageneau Silex. 

As for Entree, well, I'm French. There we do 2 but, I showed up with the beautiful Mrs. V so we will each do two 

and swap tastes: 

mountain trout / serrano ham / haricot vert / artichoke / yellow pepper vinaigrette 

2006 Dom. William Fevre Chablis Grand Cru Les Clos 

grilled lamb loin / roasted garlic cous cous / date / curried baby carrot / fava bean 

1999 Numanthia 

butter-poached lobster “pot pie” / edamame / hedgehog mushroom / leek / new potato 27 

2008 Etienne Sauzet Puligny Montrachet 1er Cru Les Combette 

braised short rib / celery root / carrot / potato gnocchi / pearl onion 24 

1990 Rauzan Segla Margaux. 

We'll each take a dessert. 2001 Chateau Gruiraud Sauternes. Definitely young, but just old enough to play nicely. 

25154 BrunelloBob 2012-04-23 15:49:51 

pistachio and cardamom cake / strawberry mousse / apricot sorbet / white wine reduction 

Interesting, bit of an "ager" for Barbera... 



25155 NaH 2012-04-23 16:20:35 @Vinny Nice pairings. 


The menu will be passed hors d'oerves, choice of 3 appetizers (probably a Pork belly, a fish and one other) choice 

of 3 entrees ( Short ribs, chicken and fish) and choice of 2 desserts ( the Pistachio and the Chocolate). 

The meals will be made in a different style than last years...I decided to keep the basic Beef, Chicken and Fish 

theme to accomodate everyones palate. 

Sorry you can't make it. I'm sure someone will post the menu, wines and pictures! 

25157 louas 2012-04-23 18:02:23 @McMalbec: Sorry, no skills for guessing drinking windows. Was pretty darn good now in a decanter. 

@All: Need some Trembling Hills love for the NY Rangers tonight! 

25158 TonyO 2012-04-23 18:06:59 @McMalbec: drink it within the next year would be my guess, doubt it will change much but is very enjoyable 

right now ! 

25159 jpakma 2012-04-23 21:00:34 @louas, so far so good. 

Opened the 2006 Domaine de Nizas Coteaux du Languedoc tonight and must say that it offers up great 

complexity and value @ $14. Black plum, dark cherry, tar, anise, herbal notes along with gamey funk and some 

barnyard on the nose. Fairly modern in style and very enjoyable drink. 

25160 TonyO 2012-04-23 21:41:30 First Cindy purchase in months tonight......2002 Champagne for $29.95............Chard / Pinot Noir 

blend...........should be tasty ! 

25161 BuffaloLou 2012-04-23 22:23:40 @BDude, luddite, and anyone else offended - Sorry if my post offended you. I was hoping for input, not flames. 

I'll refrain from political posts in the future. 

Well, I'm back from a weekend of camping with the Scouts. Crappy weather; it rained all day Saturday and 

Sunday morning. Friday, OTOH, was spectacular! 

Missed this afternoon's Zin deal on CW. :( 

25165 mr21cbs 2012-04-24 08:40:31 @louas, your Rangers are still alive and are on a collision course with our Flyers. If they play each other don't 

expect any love from the Philly area inmates. 

25166 louas 2012-04-24 09:26:18 @mr21cbs: Have to wait til Thursday to see if the mighty mighty Rangers will get to face your crybaby Flyers! 

Went to my first NHL game in 1959 and have been hooked since. 

Also a bit of a buzz surrounding the Coyotes after they showed the Black Hawks the door last night. 




25167 mr21cbs 2012-04-24 11:45:46 @louas, you must be confusing Flyers with Penguins. Whatever you think of the Flyers, I would not rely on the 

regular season results when it comes to the playoffs, but will be rooting for the Senators. 

25168 BrunelloBob 2012-04-24 12:42:31 My TN on the QPR of the day: 

2010 Pazo de Señorans Albariño Rías Baixas (Spain, Galicia, Rías Baixas) 12/26/2011 BrunelloBob 90 

Mrs. BBob describes the nose best: clean cotton. I get melon too, then marshmallow, and finally generic citrus as 

the bottle progresses. Great acidity and mineral on the palate. The citrus develops after an hour or so. Nice 

bottle to end a Christmas weekend with. 

More than I'm used to paying for albarino, but worth it. 90-91 pts 

: 

25169 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-24 12:42:59 Hey has anyone ever tried the 2006 Torre Quarto Tarabuso Primitivo from Puglia? It;s on Last Bottle now, FS on 6. 

25170 BrunelloBob 2012-04-24 13:51:12 @PTHC: It's gone, but I don't think you missed anything. Historically, I've been underwhelmed by primitivo. 

25171 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-24 13:57:59 @BBob TY! I wasn't buying, just curious for future reference. After all, I've got lots of yummy Uva de Troia to 

drink at home already! 

25172 BrunelloBob 2012-04-24 15:43:19 BrunelloBob's Rules of Wine #23: Sangiovese should not be grown in California, and "zinfandel" should not be 

brewed in Italy. (Let's all stick to what we do best :lol: ) 

25173 NaH 2012-04-24 16:02:41 Kaos 

Send me an email at the Philly offline addy. I have a question. Thanks. 

25174 BrunelloBob 2012-04-24 16:12:13 Maybe you should ask where your pants are, Homer. 

:) 

25176 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-24 17:19:51 @BBob Good words of wisdom, I will follow them! 

Drinking 2007 Fattoria Viticcio Chianti Classico Riserva Lucius So much better than the regular Riserva that was 

on WTSO earlier! And an even better buy @$20! 

25177 BrunelloBob 2012-04-24 17:27:44 @WIM: You're gonna ask Where your pants are!?!?!! 

:lol: :lol: :lol: 

( I KILL me!) 

25178 BuffaloLou 2012-04-24 17:50:22 @BB - FYI: primitivo is indigenous to Italy... 

25179 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-24 17:56:40 @BBob Not lately, but in the past...ROFLMAO! 




25180 TonyO 2012-04-24 18:00:41 @BB: one exception to the "no Sangiovese in CA" rule would be Venom by Seghesio.............fantastic ! 

25182 BrunelloBob 2012-04-24 19:02:55 T.O.: Rules are made to be broken, otherwise What the !#@$%$!s the point! 

25183 mr21cbs 2012-04-24 19:26:35 BrunelloBob: aren't you contradicting yourself? 

25184 wine magnet 2012-04-24 19:27:45 FULL Disclosure: This PM I shared a '99 La Grange Philippe Coteaux du Langudoc, which arrived today from 

lastbottle. Rather than let this wine rest for a month or more, I opened one within hours of FedEx delivery, 

based upon comments from friends who received theirs on the left coast days ahead of me in FL. What a treat! 

Wonderful nose (fruit, spices-enough to tickle my nose) and a long, smooth finish. With a 12.5 ABV, this is very 

old world to me, and the price was what I might have willingly paid when it was produced: $6/btl, delivered. 

Thank you Cory!! I would quickly buy 2-4 more cases of this, since I think it is good for a few years yet!! (but 

would have little chance of lasting that long in my cellar. 

25185 BrunelloBob 2012-04-24 19:45:41 @CBS: BrunelloBob is full of contradictions... 

For example (little known fact), he's dead. Now how could BrunelloBob post if he were dead? 

25186 TonyO 2012-04-24 20:30:08 Grilled a rack of lamb (creole mustard rub, salt, pepper) plated with Brussel Sprouts sauteed with Vermont 

Smoke and Cure Bacon and Garlic Mashed Potatoes......served with Neyers Syrah........PERFECT ! 

25187 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-24 20:48:16 The Texas wild blackberries are ripe and ready for the pickin'................mmmmmm fresh blackberry 

jam............although the thorns will eventually work their way to the surface, I might wear gloves next time!! 

25189 McMalbec 2012-04-24 21:43:39 @Brunello Bob- did you look at the 2007 K&L Brunello offer? 

25190 McMalbec 2012-04-24 21:46:21 @ A Frayed Knot- my blacks, despite an unseasonable mild winter, haven't even blossomed yet. 

Stawberries first, then raspberries. 




25191 David T 2012-04-25 00:41:32 @WIM What happened to your avatar? You should not have sealed lips! 

@BLou Primitivo and zin both have their heritage traced to Croatia, where it is known as Crljenak Kaštelanski 

: 

: 

We agreed we could have one no holds barred meal on our trip and it was tonight at Restaurant Gary Danko. The 

service was the best I've ever experienced. The food was excellent though only one dish (the quail; all are listed 

below) wowed me. 

I had been drinking only Cali wine this week since we are in Cali, but I went to France tonight. We paired most of 

the meal with the 08 Jacques Puffeney Poulsard Arbois "M" thanks to Tooch's positive Cellartracker 

notes. It was my first Jura wine and I'm a fan. Mrs DT even liked it as well- drank at least a glass & a half! 

She's generally not a red fan but it was on the lighter side which appealed to her palate. I was proud. We started 

with an amuse bouche of ramp soup. The first course was Salad of Baby Beets with Duck Prosciutto, Goat Cheese 

"Truffles" and Hazelnut Vinaigrette. The wine went especially well with the goat cheese. I then had Striped Bass 

with Speck, Stinging Nettle Gnocchi, Morel Mushrooms, Asparagus, Capers and Meyer Lemon. 

For mains, Mrs DT had Seared Filet of Beef with Roasted Fingerling Potatoes, Cassis-Shallot Marmalade and 

Stilton Butter. I had Quail Stuffed with Foie Gras, Mushrooms and Quinoa, Nettle Panisse, Spring Onions, Peas 

and Artichokes which was incredible: two whole de-boned quail plus stuffing inside and veggies around the plate. 

I couldn't pick out the foie gras in the stuffing, but the stuffing + wine was a great pairing. We then had a cheese 

course, I wish I had gotten the names; one was a goat cheese soaked in Sauternes, one a cow's milk soaked in 

25194 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-25 06:28:43 @DT I don't know what happened, but I fixed it. Can't have me with my mouth all sealed now, can we? I'd 

explode from all the words needing to get out! Sounds like you had a phenomenal dinner, and you will 

remember it forever. Interesting coincidence, my most memorable meal was at Le Bec Fin in 1987 and I also had 

quail as my main course. Somewhere I've got all the details of that meal written down, but after 25 years it's a 

little fuzzy. I do recall we were broke young government employees and so we ordered a bottle of Louis 

Roederer champagne because I said "Champagne goes with everything", and it did!. It was a $72 prix fixe meal 

and our bill with tax, tip and wine came to $127 per person, a very princely sum in those days. I've never 

regretted the splurge, especially now with the restaurant closed. Please keep us posted on your Napa adventures! 

FYI, GV made an appearance on the WLTV forum and also FB last night. On FB Gary Vaynerchuk said: 

So I have been thinking of this idea : I ( @winelibrary ) want your wine business! Email me how I can get it :) gary 

@ winelibrary.com.. On WL forums, he basically said he missed the community and was thinking of doing more 

WLTV shows. He hung around both places for a while then disappeared again. I did send him an email, FWIW. 

25195 BrunelloBob 2012-04-25 06:53:08 @McMal: so much Brunello....so little space.... 




25198 Phredd 2012-04-25 10:23:45 I think KaellaDave may have some issues with the no Sangiovese in CA rule, and I would tend to agree with him 

on that. Perhaps you folks would grant an exemption. 

25199 brooks 2012-04-25 10:30:37 True Confession of a Havens Slut 

Luddite = enabler 

I was on Long Island yesterday taking care of my parents. In following up on clearance email I received from Prof 

Luddite I visited Westhampton Wines... What a mouse trap...Havens 2005 B and B juice boxes by the cash 

register!!!! Beware 

Bought a sealed case HSC6PK of 1.5L of 2005 Havens Black and Blue for 41.99/ bottle. CW sold the 750ml for $29 

on 23 Oct 2009. Original Box like Christmas morning 

As I am leaving the store...I turn back and ask about the 2006 vintage...."Got one last case still in original box plus 

what is on the shelf" 

"Danny do you want good or bad" OMG could this be the last sealed box of Havens...end of a era. Is this history 

for small dogs and boys or poorly stored swill from Napa. My guess is the later...so 16.99 per bottle...best I ever 

saw was 19.99 from BP wine and Union Square Wine...mmm. Not a great deal....just head to door and leave.... 

just head to door and leave.I already have too much.....nope HSC12PK... I am prohibited from buying anymore 

Havens I am prohibited from buying anymore Havens I am prohibited from buying anymore Havens I am 

prohibited from buying anymore Havens. I am prohibited from buying anymore Havens I am prohibited from 

buying anymore Havens I am prohibited from buying anymore Havens I am prohibited from buying anymore 

Havens 

Yes it is a great price and yes it solid predictable juice but but I have crossed the Rubicon. HIWBM 

PhillyOffline unofficial theme is ..................... "Wear something from the 60s" 

Yes the 60s .... I am thinking either James Bond tuxedo worn by George Lazenby in OHMSS or Pig Pen's outfit 

from the back cover of Grateful Dead Aoxomoxoa album...a tough call 

Preliminary Wine Offline List 

- Kangaroo Vertical 

l k d l l 




25200 BrunelloBob 2012-04-25 10:44:16 "HSC12PK" NICE! 

x 

@Phredd: If my understanding of history is correct, the first serious winegrowers in California were Italian. What 

did they plant? Sangiovese! They've had like a hundred years to get it right, and the good ones are still few and 

far between. Rule 23 STANDS. (see TonyO for a rule-breaking variance). 

Besides, I heard Dave is making the stuff in pretty limited quantities and has to ship it all over the country 

anyway... :) :) 

25202 BuffaloLou 2012-04-25 12:06:09 @DT - TY for the info on Primitivo. I knew Zin traced back to it in Italy, but did not know about Croatia and 

Crljenak Kaštelanski. More DNA?? 

@Brooks - major score! Bravo! 

25203 BuffaloLou 2012-04-25 12:15:47 I wish to share with you all what I consider the 'musical discovery' of this young 21st century. This young man 

(he is 17) recently performed on BGT (Britain's Got Talent). Searching youtube I found a few 'old' performances 

of his when he was 15-16-ish. Truly an amazing voice! May or may not be your style of music, but the voice is 

undeniable. Wow! Separate posts to avoid the multiple links from throwing me into moderation. 

First, his BGT performance (where even stingy Simon gave them (he sings with "Charlotte") a standing ovation) - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsNlcr4frs4&feature=related 

(Carmen Electra - WTF did you do to your lips?!) 

25204 BuffaloLou 2012-04-25 12:17:17 Jonathan Antoine, Time to Say Goodbye - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-F7LT_95E8&feature=related 

25205 BuffaloLou 2012-04-25 12:18:43 Finally, Jonathan Antoine, Ave Maria - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dhPsd5X4OU&feature=related&noredirect=1 

25206 NY Pete 2012-04-25 12:49:17 different strokes for different folks. 

25207 Phredd 2012-04-25 15:53:21 If I were joeg, I would say something about distinguishing objective quality from a style you just happen to like. 

But I'm actually more in your camp on this, and don't really think that there is such a thing as an objective 

aesthetic. His voice does happen to be in a style I like, though. 




25208 mr21cbs 2012-04-25 18:32:48 Nice voice. I do prefer a bit more established tenors in Pavarotti, Groban and Bocelli. But for a kid he exceeded 

my expectations. I am not big on appearances, so "don't judge book by its cover", as the girl said, fits perfectly. 

25209 BuffaloLou 2012-04-25 19:04:03 @cbs - me, too, but imagine him in 10 or 20 years once his voice matures and develops. I can envision him in the 

came class of Pavarotti, Domingo, Carreras, and Bocelli. Gives me chills to think of what he can be. I hope he 

does well. 


2005 Marquis Philips 

Sarah's Blend - Australia, South Eastern (4/25/2012) 

C: Opaque ruby-black with a ruby rim 

N: Blueberries, blackberries, vanilla, Chinese Five Spice, licorice, hint of menthol 

P: Intense black fruits, vanilla. Well integrated tannins. 

F: long, sweet tannins 

This has big flavors, but it's not an alcoholic mess nor over the top jammy. (90 points) 


25212 luddite 2012-04-25 23:51:48 @brooks: You're most welcome! My friendly UPS driver just delivered my 3 '05 B & B 1.5L and 6 '06 B 

& B 750s today as well. 

Never fear my friend I will keep my eyes open for more... HSC forever! 

25217 McMalbec 2012-04-26 10:31:24 Villa Mattielli Amarone della Valpolicella 2008 on WTSO this morning. Nice price ($25) but passed. Neumann 

(sp?) was only reviewer. CT reviewer gave it an 88 but compared it to pancake syrup. 

25218 McMalbec 2012-04-26 11:02:45 @ Vin; 2009 Chateau Branaire Ducru Saint Julien Bordeax offered by Gary's Wine Marketplace has some nice 

review but not sure $75@ makes it a shrewd 2009 Bordeaux purchase. What do you think? 




25219 vinmoet 2012-04-26 11:30:09 Well, yesterday was the first day of our local film festival. Its the baby of Roger Ebert who is definitely the Robert 

Parker of film review. Love him or hate him, he sets the bar for the intellectual review of film. 

http://ebertfest.com/ 

He's also an incredibly driven man who's endured cancer for a number of years. He has not eaten food for about 

two years now being fed through a tube yet he still runs the festival and is a prolific writer. An amazing man who 

has kept his intellect, compassion for others, passion for life, and humor. A real inspiration for others. 

I get a kick out of it and host some of the various guests that come to town. My kids most enjoyed hosting Enzo 

the dog from the movie My Dog Skip. He was also the dog in Frazier. His trainer did the owls for Harry Potter 

and the bats for Batman. Really fun opportunity to meet some really interesting people. 




25220 vinmoet 2012-04-26 11:35:16 McMalbec: This is a pretty fruity, big interpretation of Saint Julien. I think you will love it. Here are the Parker 

notes: 

"#199 Robert Parker 96 Drink: 2017 - 2035 

Haut couture becomes a wine! This dense purple wine has the tell-tale notes of flowers and pencil shavings, and 

its broad aromatics are intense and totally captivating. Powerful, rich, and full, but less tannic than the 2005 and 

more opulent, this is a dazzling Branaire to drink between 2017-2035. 


Only time will tell whether the 2009, another great effort from Branaire, will eclipse the 2005 and 2003. Certainly 

at 13.6% alcohol it is the most powerful Branaire ever made, and the final blend of 70% Cabernet Sauvignon, 22% 

Merlot, and the rest Cabernet Franc and Petit Verdot showcases what a great vintage 2009 is for Cabernet 

Sauvignon. An inky/blue/purple color is followed by raspberry, boysenberry, crushed rock, graphite, and floral 

notes, and an opaque, broad, dense, substantial, impressively structured wine without any hardness. It requires 

4-5 years of cellaring, and should last four decades or more. (Tasted two times.)" 

Neal Martin is more in line with my taste buds and he scored it 92 points. I will try to post his notes. Bottom line 

is I think $75 is a great buy on an incredible wine. Has my big thumbs up. 

"Wine Journal 

Jan 2012 Neal Martin 92 Drink N/A $66-$120 

Tasted at the Union de Grand Cru in London. The Branaire Ducru has a relatively showy, almost exotic bouquet 

with fine delineation but missing a little focus. The palate is medium-bodied with a mocha-tinged entry, fine 

tannins, showing more harmony than the nose with a refined, mocha-tinged finish. Fine. Tasted October 2011. 

Wine Journal 

25221 Hinrgman 2012-04-26 13:06:33 Has anyone checked the Empire ship 4. Great price on that BdM. 

25222 john o' 2012-04-26 13:39:24 nice looking pinot noir split on last bottle 



25223 vinmoet 2012-04-26 17:03:50 One of the best car ads ever: 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/used-car-ad-pontiac-grand-am_n_1453121.html?icid=mainggrid7|main5|dl33|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D155590 

I actually prepared a great online ad myself for a relative who was selling a '77 Buick Park Avenue. We were over 

served when posting it. Fortunately it was just as hilarious the next day. And yes, it sold the car. 

25226 McMalbec 2012-04-26 19:07:33 @ Vin: thanks for your research and thoughts on the Branaire. I picked up several. 

25227 louas 2012-04-26 21:58:30 A bit shaky but the Rangers prevail in game 7. Next up: The Capitals. Hopefully we will get to see the Flyers in 

the conference finals. No adult beverages tonite as the weekend shapes up to be full of alcohol. BTW, I do not 

recommend watching playoff games you care about without a brewski or a bottle of wine, or ... 

25228 mr21cbs 2012-04-26 22:11:40 Congrats Louas your Rangers are moving on. Looks like Flyers vs. Devils in the next round. Eagles get a stud 

defensive end in Fletcher Cox in the first round. Not a bad night for the Philly teams. 

25229 TonyO 2012-04-26 22:42:01 @John O' : agree on the PN amuse bouches on LB.... in for 6 

25230 K is for Kate 2012-04-26 22:47:11 @McMalbec - I am not an expert like Vinmoet, but the 2009 Chateau Branaire Ducru was one of the ones that 

made my short list after tasting it alongside over 30 other examples of 2009 Bordeaux. It was already showing 

layered complexity and I thought it would be food-friendly as well. I bought a bottle for around $60 pre-release 

and wish I had had the funds to buy more to drink it at various stages since it was already enjoyable. 

25235 Brooks 2012-04-27 10:06:34 what the coffee machine is broken?...again...so I left it on last night....wow glass is not supposed to melt...where 

is the warranty ..nice herbal teas in pretty little bags...WITHOUT CAFFINE..no diet cokes in frig...decafe diet coke? 

why bother just chemicals...Dannon exp date 2010?....Snap Starbucks has like 40 kids on line getting 

crappaccinos..why do they need a boost..is there a little black spot on the sun today? UBC comes home this 

weekend til August OMG!!! ....someone talk me down.......someone talk me down. 

OBTW does anyone out there think that the stock market is real....mmm 75% of trading is computer driven...so 

not enough done by hand....(TO/BB stay away)...I was watching CNBC...very entertaining like watching the cheer 

leaders on ESPN channel...ammo canned goods gold and red wine....nothing bad here ....just drive on...glad our 

president has a big stick =) confirmed by out VP 

Big wine night tomorrow night 6 men 6 hours...3 hours wine bar...3 hours steak dinner... another friend getting 

married late in life...he has no grey hairs..mmm ...wine list and details to follow Be well 

25236 McMalbec 2012-04-27 10:24:55 @Kate: thanks for your thoughts, also. BTW, are you still in Madtown (or the metro area)? 




25237 vinmoet 2012-04-27 10:36:07 Kate, you are dead on. You've motivated me to repeat my mantra about this vintage. This has the fruit of 2003 

with the aging potential of 2005. That means this is accessible now and will improve with age and be a wine that 

can last 3, 4 maybe 5 decades. I would guess that the drinking window between 2025 and 2035 will be 

absolutely amazing. 

2009 is like a 1961 or 1982. Its just a vintage that is super rare. 2010 is also known as a stellar vintage and the 

critics argue about which is better, '09 or '10. But '10 does not have the early accessibility of '09. Its also a much 

smaller crop so prices are crazy and will get crazier. 

I know you keep hearing about a Bordeaux bubble. In fact, you've been hearing about it since 2005ish, arguably 

since 2000ish. I respect folks that keep bringing that up but want to draw attention to the fact that China has ten 

times our population. As far as development, they are in their infancy. We've historically been the buyer of 

Bordeaux. That demand has now shifted to China which is still in its infancy. 

I have a lot of friends doing business in China. The Chinese don't know their wine but want the best and are 

buying it, even to mix with their Coca Cola (and I kid you not). The best = Bordeaux right now. I am sure they will 

catch on to Burgundy too. They continue to buy up Premier crus but are now buying wines like the Branaire. The 

middle class is just starting there and they are already driving the market. That demand can only sky rocket while 

25238 BrunelloBob 2012-04-27 11:00:58 Bordeaux has a vintage like 2009; they have to go back to 1961 for comparison. 

Montalcino has a vintage like 2007; they just go back to 2006..... hmmmmmm :) 

And the Chinese need to start growing their own wine, or they are going to screw up more than French prices 

tout de suite. 

Calm down Brooks, The UBC is only gonna be home for five minutes, and then he'll be out until 4 AM with his 

shipmates... 

(TWSS commentary politely avoided) 

25239 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-27 11:25:43 @john o' and @TonyO I went in for 6 of the Last Bottle PN juice boxes as well. CT notes looked good, and am 

searching for more juice boxes to leave at my mom's so she can have a nice glass of wine with her pizza without 

throwing away half a bottle. She only drinks occassionally, as she's on too much medicine to do it more often. 

@BBob Glad I'm not a huge Bordeaux fan to start with, would prefer to spend $60-$75 for a killer Italian bottle 

(BdM. Barolo, Guado al Tasso) that I will enjoy much more. But that's just how I roll! 

Phillies back home after a long and frustrating road trip. Hopefully things will start to improve... and the guys will 

get and stay healthy! 

Anyone planning on checking out the WL nooner? (TWSS) 



25240 Brooks 2012-04-27 11:48:14 Special sale has started... prices have changed 

2009 - Carpineta Fontalpino Do Ut Des 23 

2004 - Camerano Barolo 29.88 

Grabbed one of each 


2005 - La Gerla Brunello Di Montalcino 25.88 4 bottles left B squared 

25241 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-27 12:10:26 @brooks I don't know how you did that, I can't get into their website at all, and before noon I kept clicking the 

banner and it never updated. Grrr... 

25242 Brooks 2012-04-27 12:18:44 WIM - i will email you :) 

25244 john o' 2012-04-27 12:56:50 @Tony O , @WIM 

The Wine Library super sale has 750's of teh Pinot for $31. $12 for the juice box is a lot nicer. 

25245 Phredd 2012-04-27 13:00:19 Any thoughts on the 2009 Petit Guiraud on sale for $10.02 at WL today. It seems like a good vintage to snag a 

second as a daily-drinker type Sauternes, and I love me some stickies. 

25246 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-27 13:28:52 @Phredd I was looking at the Petit Guiraud as well and for $10 it seems like a no-brainer to try a few, and I'm not 

a huge stickie fan, but I do like them with some blue cheese! Got a couple Jean Edwards Stagecoach cabs as well! 

@john o' I saw that and thought the very same thing! 

25247 Phredd 2012-04-27 13:52:20 Jean Edwards Stagecoach. Dang. Still haven't tried that and I really want to, but it's sold out. Ah, well. Next 

time. In on Petit Guiraud. 

25248 BrunelloBob 2012-04-27 15:07:48 In on the La Gerla Rosso (previously covered the BdM), a Vac. and a champagne. 

Got on-line too late for the Stagecoach and a couple of others. 

25249 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-27 15:45:32 @Brooks ~ Welcome home UBC.......welcome home!......my boy has about three weeks left......and not a moment 

too soon.......parking ticket and eviction notice.......seven unrelated people living in a house zoned single 

family........The Fall of the House of Animal...news at eleven! 

Any Florida inmates?..........will be in Destin early August for parents 50th anniversary.........25 siblings, nieces, 

nephews, inlaws, and outlaws in one beach house.......cannot be large enough.......may need a break.........curious 

about their zoning codes..... 

stock market = legal online gambling 




25250 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-27 17:04:51 @BBob Went in on the La Gerla RdM too! At that price it's a cellar defender! There are gems in the WL sale, you 

have to hunt to find them and hope you don't get the dreaded email that they oversold after you think you made 

it in... 

@brooks Enjoy your summer with the UBC! 

Any of the other inmates other than the usual suspects mentioned above planning on attending the Philly offline 

in May? We want to see you there! 

25251 K is for Kate 2012-04-27 17:29:55 @McMalbec - Yep, still in Madison. I have too much wine to move now. ;) 

25252 BrunelloBob 2012-04-27 17:48:14 @PTHC: A more interesting question than: How low can BdM prices go? 

might be "How low can RdM prices go? 

and: Where does that leave Chianti? 

:?: 

25254 BaroloDude 2012-04-27 19:08:02 hello gang, back from a long week in Taiwan. What did I miss? 

the ultra-hyped barolo deal? didn't miss anything there.... thought JohnR and others nailed it on that one. 

Honestly, it may be a good wine, but i don't have enough info to act at 50 bucks a bottle. at 29 or maybe even 35 

i take a crack at a pair... but risk/reward not there. 

the sale today! well i see i missed out on a nice Clerico Barolo Pajana... too bad. 

And for those of you who bought the DuMol Jack Roberts Run Syrah, you will be very pleased. that was a nice 

price on it too! 

Frankly i am shocked to see DuMol at WL. Sign of the times in the wine biz....their allocations used to sell out 

very quickly and i would have to call or email the owner and beg for extra bottles... today they have sent me the 

third reminder that i have not acted on my allocation offer (and i do not intend to, given they want 60bucks for 

their regular cuvee now... I am out!). 

Have a great weekend! 

25255 TonyO 2012-04-27 19:51:51 Note to Inmates: The first wine listed, Hunter III Sauvignon Blanc is the best deal listed on the WL Spring Cleaning 

Sale.....delicious with grilled chicken/shrimp and a RAGING STEAL at $11.11........................BUY ! 

25256 johnr 2012-04-27 20:00:35 I stole all of those St. Urban hof kabinetts. Considering the others I have had from St. Urban and for $15 out the 

doors its a steal. 10 Rieslings have been extremely good, better than advertised. Also, 09 Cathiard Vosne 

Romanee @$70 is a great deal. Its not his Malconsorts or RSV, but Cathiard is a consistant overachiever, even at 

$250 for is Malconsorts. I believe he is in the class with DRC, Leroy, Jayer and Fourrer. 




25257 BrunelloBob 2012-04-27 20:08:46 Taiwan? 

Paid $79.98 (WL) for the Clerico Pajana 5-6 months ago so....yeah....today would have been a better deal... 

Feel better about my Hunter purchase T.O., but I'm always leary of Cali S.B. I know what to expect out of 

Marlborough, but California is WAY more random. 

@JR, Thanks, I wanted some of that St Urbans...Am I supposed to call you a DBag now? I forget.... ;) 

25258 johnr 2012-04-27 20:19:03 @BB I thought you were "dead" or maybe its just smokeandmirrors? 

25260 TonyO 2012-04-27 20:23:01 @BB: have no fear...........it is a fantastic wine ! 

25261 BrunelloBob 2012-04-27 20:40:04 Rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated... 

25262 TonyO 2012-04-27 20:58:11 2007 Cinnabar Santa Lucia Highlands PN.........de ^*&*(&(* licios PN....slightly larger than expected 

(TWSS).....varitetally correct (open for debate, I think it is a very ripe PN but does have many traits of a 

PN)................and now, for you BB: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbhsYC4gKy4 

25263 TonyO 2012-04-27 21:01:55 Eddie Vedder commands an audience unlike anyone in today's music world.......... 

25264 BrunelloBob 2012-04-27 21:13:57 Exxxxxxxcelllllleeent........ 

25265 David T 2012-04-28 02:52:53 TNs from our stops the past two days in Napa/Sonoma 


(Napa: Hendry, Schramsberg, Vincent Arroyo, Frank) 


(Sonoma: Siduri/Novy, Joseph Swan, Rochioli, Copain) 

Unfortunately back to Cleveland tomorrow :( 

Believe it or not, Mrs DT found a RED she likes! 06 Joseph Swan zinfandel Mancini Ranch, FTW! She tasted almost 

everything I did, white red and pink. I'm very happy, though I still can't convince her to join me in Philly. She also 

really liked the bubbles at Schramsberg. 

25268 BrunelloBob 2012-04-28 06:50:12 Always wanted to do Schramsberg... 

25270 McMalbec 2012-04-28 10:42:11 Enjoyed a 2002 Jade Mountain Syrah last night with Indian food. Windy, cold and wet outside, this combiation 

warmed us up. 

25271 John O' 2012-04-28 11:16:12 @McMalbec 

The Jade Mtn syrah from last bottle was a killer deal. The '04 is also outstanding 

25272 TonyO 2012-04-28 12:58:15 @John O & McMalbec: agree on the 2002 Jade Mountain (also had a bottle last night).....have seen some 

bottle variation but when it's right, it's dy-no-mite ! 




25274 mr21cbs 2012-04-28 16:42:26 I got into a friendly argument with a couple of my friends about Cognac. The gist of it is whether Cognac is 

"wine". I said that it isn't since it is distilled grape juice, where as wine is fermented beverage. Anyone here cares 

to educate and enlighten me on the subject? Much appreciated... 

25276 Julius 2012-04-28 17:43:25 @mr21cbs - Simply put, Cognac is a brandy, which is defined as an alcoholic spirit made from the distillation of 

wine. In the case of Cognac, it's a double distillation. Since it does start out as wine, some people refer to it as a 

wine, but that's inaccurate. It is truly a spirit. I think another point of confusion stems from the fact that it goes 

through (sometimes considerable) barrel aging before being bottled and offered for sale. 

25277 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-28 20:18:41 I have it on good authority that Chelios prefers Armagnac! 

25278 BrunelloBob 2012-04-28 21:12:25 I need to get me a black and whie avatar, like the cool kids... 

25282 K is for Kate 2012-04-29 01:38:08 I had a blind Malbec tasting for my best friend's birthday tonight and the Altitude 1050 wound up being my 

WOTN (beautiful fresh fruit compared to the heaviness and oak of the others), whereas the Lindaflor 2007 I 

poured about half of my taste out (oaky and hot), though it was better when I went back to it later. The 2008 

Durigutti and the 2009 Achával-Ferrer were popular with my friends and I thought both were decent for the 

price. My second favourite was probably the 2009 Bodega Colomé- it was a little sweet but also had respectable 

acid and tannin and a little spice. 

25284 David T 2012-04-29 02:20:14 Finally back in Cleveland! What else to pop at 2AM after being in California than an 06 Havens Syrah that I got in 

a trade from BLou. It's absolutely singing! Drinking perfectly right now. 

25285 wine magnet 2012-04-29 03:22:57 David: Thanks for the notes on the '06 Havens syrah. I have not consumed one in the last 18 months, so I'll open 

one today with a monster 2"+ porterhouse which has been dry aging for 6 days. 

Hope your trip went well. Given your return time, you must have gotten in a full last day. Fortunately, a late 

night flight from CA to Cleveland is much shorter than the same to Tampa. I'm getting too old and stiff for those 

red-eye trips. 

25294 smokenmirrors 2012-04-29 10:07:30 Dear JohnR 

I thought the agreement was that we don't squabble around here? Let's stick to that please. 

25297 johnr 2012-04-29 11:39:40 Perhaps you should heed your own advise, dearest michael 




25299 David T 2012-04-29 12:29:51 @wine magnet Great plan for the Havens! Unfortunately our day consisted only of organizing everything back 

into suitcases, driving from Santa Rosa to SFO then flying home. We got up around 9:30am PST and were on the 

road by 11 for a 2:30 flight with a brief layover in Denver, so weren't able to do anything else. Landed around 

midnite EST then an hour drive home. Losing three hours on the way back doesn't help. 

I picked up one of these at Napa Valley Wine & Cigar which 

made bringing bottles back a breeze. (haha just realized the nice alliteration) 

http://www.thewinecheck.com/ No more expensive for the unit than shipping a case home commercially, and 

we had up to two checked bags so no additional money for the airline. I'll be using it again heading to Philly. They 

had them discounted for Berserkerday but the shipping was almost half as much as the bag itself- I passed then 

but I'm glad I was able to get one for almost the same discount. 

25300 smokenmirrors 2012-04-29 13:07:11 JohnR, I have not mentioned your name either here or in the forums out of respect for this site. 

Please dont continue your mocking demeanor. There is absolutely no need for that. 

25303 KaellaDave 2012-04-29 13:33:32 I'll be doing some ribs with AFK rub today. Smells great. Rubbed down last night and marinated overnight in 

fridge. They will be going in the smoker later. Thanks Tim. 

25304 johnr 2012-04-29 13:48:30 sounds like a plan, extend that to Lou and everyone else. 

25305 BrunelloBob 2012-04-29 13:51:06 Beatlejuice....Beatlejuice....BEATLEJUICE! 

25307 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-29 16:32:37 Attaboy Dave.......I've got a few racks of baby backs on the smoker myself.........my sons choice for his 18th 

bday..........I hear louas has some st. louas ribs cooking too. 

Those of you that have not gotten your rub yet, rest assured it is on the way.......I had a busy couple of weeks and 

sent the samples out a few days apart...........you should get them soon! 

@BB ~ Welcome to the black and white era, flyboy! :) 

25310 smokenmirrors 2012-04-29 16:44:49 John, 

I have too much respect for what AFK and Mike have done here to continue this banter here with you. however 

you do need to realize that at no time am I going to take any back talk or admonishment from someone like you 

who is young enough to be my son. That just isnt going to happen. Something tells me that you want to continue 

this and if so please feel free to reach out to me via FB or the WL forums. There is no need for any of this to 

happen here. 

always great to here from Bobby Montalcino although its spelled beetle juice 




25311 TonyO 2012-04-29 16:57:34 As much as I enjoy a heated debate, this has managed to be a forum of information, humor, and 

comraderie........let's hope it stays that way or %&^*&( heads are gonna roll...........all this talk about 

ribs has me thinking I need to break out my AFK Rub and get my smoke on...........just finished up making a big pot 

of Manhattan Clam Chowder aka Vegetable Soup with Clams as many of my fine New England friends and family 

members have said "there is only one Clam Chowdah and it's not red".....then they tasted it and said, "call it 

whatever you want, it's delicious"! Bacon, onions, garlic, carrots, corn, lima beans (an ode to my Grandmother's 

version), tomatoes, Siracha, clam juice, shucked clams, a couple dozen littlenecks in the shell, salt, pepper, 

parsley, and chicken stock if needed to thin the broth.....wine pairing has to yield to a cold beer (Moosehead is 

my choice..................) 

25313 NY Pete 2012-04-29 17:22:05 I hate the fu#king flyers. 

25314 NY Pete 2012-04-29 17:24:12 just wondering ... JR, are you a flyer fan? 

25315 NY Pete 2012-04-29 17:25:05 and a blast from the past ... HAT TRICK ... :) 

25323 BrunelloBob 2012-04-29 21:12:47 Sometimes I spell things wrong on purpose. 

A younger man would understand that. ;) 

25324 louas 2012-04-29 21:16:46 Just completed stuffing our faces with a great rack of St. Louis ribs which spent the nite in the fridge with AFK's 

rib rub which is really good! A little sweet, a little hot, a little peppery and a lot delicious. Paired with some ice 

cold Tecate! 

I sent before and after pictures to mr21cbs so he may have a chance to post them later. 

25325 louas 2012-04-29 21:47:06 Speaking of the Stanley Cup...How bout them Rangers??? 

and hey, look out for the Coyotes. 

@NY Pete: Totally agree re:Flyers!! 

25326 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-29 21:59:23 @NYP I hate the Devils,,, 

@AFK Your rub sounds so good I want to buy a BBQ just to try it... 

GO FLYERS!!! 

25328 KaellaDave 2012-04-29 23:10:28 AFK - The rub is awesome. I really liked it and so did Nancy, but it surprised me with the heat level of the spice. I 

am a total chili head so I loved it but the kids were not wild about it. They usually love my ribs but said these 

were too spicy for them. 

25331 A Frayed Knot 2012-04-30 00:04:58 @Louas and Dave ~ Thanks for the kind words.........to make it less hot for my younger ones, I usually make a rack 

with less rub on it and don't let it set as long.........only 4 hours instead of overnight..........seems like the longer 

they sit in the rub, the more intense the flavors become. 

25332 mr21cbs 2012-04-30 09:26:15 Louas, your pictures of ribs in the AFK-provided rub have been posted to 

http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/great-escapes 

~ 

On a separate note, feel free to hate the Flyers: "We Don't Like You Either!" 




25334 smokenmirrors 2012-04-30 12:10:11 Last night with Cottoletta Al Milanese 

2008 Casanova di Neri Rosso di Montalcino 

couldnt help but think of brunello bob as I tasted this :) 

25336 luddite 2012-04-30 15:34:24 @AFK: Just received your rib rub! Thanks and it couldn't have come at a better time. Having survived for the 

past week by eating carryout pizza, while Mrs. Luddite was visiting her best friend in WI., I can't wait to eat some 

home cooking!! I'm thinking chicken vice ribs... 

25337 NaH 2012-04-30 16:25:18 @TonyO 

I sent you an email at ajo...2003@yahoo. 

Hope that's you. I couldn't find the independentvending email addy. 

Jim 

25338 McMalbec 2012-04-30 18:22:25 A nice deal on an everyday drinking sonoma merlot (Kunde) at 8.99@ (free shipping on 4) on WTSO. 

25339 WaitinginManassas 2012-04-30 18:58:38 2007 Torre Quarto Uva di Troia Bottaccia Puglia IGT still one of the best QPRs around! Drinking really well tonight! 

25340 NaH 2012-04-30 19:49:52 @WIM I had the exact bottle with dinner tonight! 

25342 mr21cbs 2012-04-30 21:01:06 NaH and WiM, how is the 2008 of the Torre Quarto Uva di Troia Bottaccia Puglia IGT? It is on sale for $10.98 at 

WL, worth a try? DavidT, Grape_ape and Cabdrinker gave there high marks. I may go for a few... 

25343 louas 2012-04-30 22:11:23 Now hate the Capitals as well! 

25344 Josie 2012-04-30 22:43:43 Vinmoet: reading your post of 4/27, noting the Bordeaux/Chinese buying issues....I think last time I actually 

posted here was to inform the inmates of the Nov 4-5 2011 Acker Merrill Hong Kong auction, Burgundies, of 

which my Tuesday night friend's cellar dominated. I forget how many world records they set in that auction, but 

it was in the neighborhood of 200. Something like $14million of Burgundy sold in those two days, which was 

exactly the seller's intention...to introduce the Chinese to Burgundy. I've heard the same (disgusting) first-hand 

stories regarding the mix w Coca-Cola! Also, magnums & Jeros do not command the same premiums in 

China, as a big bottle can only be admired & displayed once...regular 750's are much more valuable. Look up 

the actual selling prices on the auction website - amazing numbers. Even the catalog for serious bidders was 

expensive...red leather w gilt lettering, color plates of every bottle & it's vineyard/cave, gorgeous reference 

book.... 



25345 ptaylor2112 2012-04-30 23:32:08 Howdy folks - 


Was in Chicago last week for a few days. Managed to get 1 dinner at the Frontera Grill. Highly recommended 

(although the wine by glass list is frankly way overpriced). 

I made my usual trip to Binny's, where I saw a bunch of 2009 Bordeauxs, but alas I did not ask Vinmoet for his 

opinion. So I got a bunch of other stuff... 

I had a nice cru Beaujolais tonight from Chiroubles. Can't recall the name, as I left the bottle at Dude Howard's 

(we were watching NBC's "Smash") but I gotta tell ya, I hope Beaujolais doesn't get much more press. I really 

really enjoy their crus, and they are at such nice prices it is hard to go wrong. But the prices have edged up over 

the last couple of years. Can't it just be our little secret? 

ptaylor2112 

25350 vinmoet 2012-05-01 10:08:16 OK, I'm not Mr. Burgundy over here, in fact I'm generally not Mr. White wine either, but this is a very correct nice 

white Burgundy for about $30 and is in a fine drinking window: 

http://www.jjbuckley.com/2007-BillaudSimon-Chablis-Mont-de-Milieu-Chardonnay/p~2007~13649~750~f~ws 

BH91 

25351 David T 2012-05-01 10:43:14 Josie! Great to see you back! How have you been? 

25352 BrunelloBob 2012-05-01 11:42:38 Josie Wristbands Rides Again! 

25353 NaH 2012-05-01 12:26:48 @MR21CBS. the 2008 is good as well. Not as fruit forward but worth it at the price. 

They make some white wines which are good, affordable sippers 

25354 mr21cbs 2012-05-01 13:02:16 @NaH, thank you. Bought a few bottles. I did find the whites from the same producer and will seek those as well. 

25355 luddite 2012-05-01 15:31:46 @Josie! The inmates have missed you!! 

@louas: Sports wise we seem to be on opposite ends of the spectrum! GO CAPS! GO BUCKEYES! Perhaps we 

can both agree to hate the Yankees and leave it at that :) 




25357 BrunelloBob 2012-05-01 18:52:04 I used to think Everyone hated the Yankees... 

Hanging out in the Doubletree Memphis. Free reception...2 free dronks...choice of Barefooty cab, merlot, or 

chard... 

Recomendations? 

Anyone? 

25359 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-01 19:06:16 @BBob Pick one, close your eyes and swallow (TWSS) 

@Josie Glad to see you resurface! Hope all is well and you're still drinking wine! 

@mr21cbs I've also got some of the '08 in the cellar. Will have to pop one for comparison soon! Haven't had 

their whites, may need to investigate them as well! 

@NaH When do we get to see the menu for the Philly offline? I'm getting hungry and Brooks keeps eating my 

shoes... 

25361 BrunelloBob 2012-05-01 20:15:29 OMG! 

THE BEST TWSS EVER! 

25362 BURGHen Boy 2012-05-01 20:24:41 @TonyO - post the recipe for the NY Chowder if you may 

Thanks 

25363 louas 2012-05-01 21:44:39 @Luddite. we r in agreement! 

Grilled pollo asado, grilled veg and some brown rice. Paired with Supernatural. That wine is good. The color is 

beautiful as well! 

25364 mr21cbs 2012-05-01 22:14:38 I hate the #%*($%& Devils! 

25367 McMalbec 2012-05-02 08:26:47 Woot has a nice deal on a case of mixed Pedroncelli today. 

25369 Phredd 2012-05-02 11:23:13 I just feel compelled to point out that the Roman's Lot II may be the biggest QPR ever. 100 point wine! (For 

those who missed it, check CT.) 

25370 McMalbec 2012-05-02 11:42:47 @Bob and other Brunello hounds: Wine Anthology offer on a 2003 and 04 

http://www.wineanthology.com/c-1004-daily-deal.aspx 

Deal or no deal? 

25371 NaH 2012-05-02 12:09:46 The menu for the Philly Offline is posted. It's on the WL site. 

25372 McMalbec 2012-05-02 12:17:33 @mr.21cbs: this may have been discussed earlier but when I connect with this site, Explorer tells me I have 

become disconnected. I have observed it for about two weeks and I get that message consistently. Any idea what 

the problem is? 

25373 BaroloDude 2012-05-02 13:58:27 @mcMalbec... the la poderina is available for a much lower price elsewhere from time to time. of course the 03 

maybe not so much... 

Cindy just had the 06 (a vastly better vintage IMHO and taste preference only) for 26.88 a week or so ago! I 

am not a big 03 fan... too raisiny too often for me. 




25374 mr21cbs 2012-05-02 14:10:35 McMalbec, a bit more information please: Version of Windows, Version of IE, is it 32 or 64-bit? So I understand 

properly - IE says that it is offline after connecting to TH!? 

25375 mr21cbs 2012-05-02 14:23:55 McMalbec, I don't always run IE, but when I do - I prefer compatibility mode. Try it and let me know if it still 

causes trouble. May I recommend Google Chrome? 

25376 AdamEmpire 2012-05-02 14:40:05 McMalbec, BaroloDude - I have the La Poderina 2006 for $24.95 per bottle...should be the lowest price around. 

Anyone who missed the Ship4Free on it last week let me know if you want any. I'll be happy to honor the Ship4 

offer. 

25377 McMalbec 2012-05-02 14:55:45 @ mr21cbs: Explorer 9, Windows 7, 32 bit. 

I will copy the exact message language next time I go to the site. 

25378 McMalbec 2012-05-02 15:17:23 @Adam: thanks but I purchased 4 from you last week! 

25379 mr21cbs 2012-05-02 15:33:29 McMalbec, PTaylor2112 had similar problem with IE. My research revealed that it should be run in compatibility 

mode when accessing some WordPress sites. Apparently we are one of those sites due to the plug-ins, 

stylesheets, etc. Just click the "broken page" icon in your address bar to enable compatibility mode. See if that 

solves your problem. 

25380 luddite 2012-05-02 16:46:40 Hey inmates please help @mr21cbs and his family to reach their goal of raising $200 for a cure for diabetes. 

They only need $50 more! They are racing 63 miles on June 2nd in the Tour de Cure. 

@TonyO: If you step up to the plate, I'll even stop hating the Yankees for the rest of the season! 

http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?px=7302079&pg=personal&fr_id=8069&et=uwuchGwe8WnrzGK 

41EWZUA&s_tafId=408036 

25381 mr21cbs 2012-05-02 18:36:05 @luddite, thank you for your donation and the post here, I greatly appreciate it. I consider all of you my friends, 

even those who root for NJ Devils or NY Rangers, and I feel pretty uncomfortable soliciting donations from 

friends. I completely understand that the funds are tight for everyone, but if you or your business makes 

contributions, please keep me in mind. 

~ 

I participate in many local charity rides. It used to be that 3 were a must: Multiple-Sclerosis Society, American 

Cancer Society and Diabetes Association. However with the prices to participate rising, and minimum donations 

to ride skyrocketing, I can no longer ride for the MS. Their solicitation has been obnoxious. Livestrong requires 

$500/rider, which I can't collect, so they are off my list as well. Now I ride two "mandatory" from my point of 

view national events: ADA on June 2nd (63mi or 100km) and ACS on July 8th (100mi). This year my sons want to 

ride with me the Century for ACS, and with so many friends and family members lost to cancer, we will do it, 

even if I have to support it myself. Thank you in advance if you decide to donate! 




25382 BrunelloBob 2012-05-02 19:55:15 Sitting in a reasonably classy restaurant bar -i mcewens in memphis - recommended! And I gotta watch the 

yankees on tv. Really? 

The friggin yankees?I 

In memphis TN? 

Just cause they're on ESPN doesn't mean you have to watch it!! 

Ludds; I shall try to forgive your sell out for a good cause 

No guarantees 

25383 TonyO 2012-05-02 20:50:42 @luddite: in true Yankee fashion, I have stepped up to the plate AND delivered ! THE YANKEEEEEEEEEEEES WIN ! 

Glad to help a worthy cause ! 

@BB: Yankee Universe always trumps Red Sox Nation (except for 2004 when Babe drank a bit too much and 

forgot to haunt the ALCS....) 

Our youngest makes her first communion this weekend............family all around, I like that !!!! 

Just returned from Hen of the Wood where our friends are finalists in the James Beard Awards this 

weekend....time for some love for Vermont and an incredible restaurant ! Bring it home team Hen !!!! 

25384 TonyO 2012-05-02 20:52:48 Just popped a Keller juice box (Last Bottle deal) ...................really nice PN which held up well after a FANTASTIC 

2009 Bergstrom PN 

25385 louas 2012-05-02 21:42:38 @TonyO: Bergstrom ROCKS!! Every time I pop one I am so so happy! 

@mr21cbs: Thank you for all u do. I'm in. 




25386 BuffaloLou 2012-05-02 22:37:09 Back from a family re-union this past weekend in the Pocono's. Beautiful area. Got lucky (TWSS) and got the 

presidential suite (at the regular room rate) at The Inn at Pocono Manor. Huge room! 

Saw "Tough Mudders" for the first time. (Over 4,000 were there for one of their weekend events.) I thought we 

inmates were crazy; we're amateurs! Those guys (and gals) are nuts! 

While there we stopped at "Barley Creek". Awesome burger, and fantastic beer! Wine list, not so much. (They 

have their own micro brewery.) Enjoyed their Triple (14%ABV. Yikes!!) and a fantastic Cocoa Stout. Wow! If 

you're in the area, I highly recommend it. 

@David T - Thanks for posting a brief note on the '06 Havens Syrah. I will definitely have to pop one soon. 

Question: did you decant, and if so, how long? 

@AFK - You rock my friend! I rec'd your rib rub mix. THANK YOU! I now have to go out and get a rack of ribs (all 

the ribs I have are already marinated.) I want to smoke them, so I might wait for slightly warmer weather. We'll 

see the forecast. 

Did a hockey game break out in the Hills while I was away? I did, however, have to catch up on over 7 pages of 

posts... 

25387 ptaylor2112 2012-05-02 22:42:57 @mrcbs.... It appears my email has been hacked for the first time ever (i think), so I can't use a credit card right 

now. I'll donate the next time around. And congratulations on hitting your goal. 

re: Bergstrom P/N - I had some on New Year's Eve... It was a little meh for me. Too much black fruit. But then 

again, maybe I was biased due to the high markup at the restaurant. 

re: Keller P/N - I haven't had their Pinot, but I quite liked the Chard on TSO for 19.99. It was light on the oak, but 

there was enough of it to make it interesting. 

25388 BuffaloLou 2012-05-02 22:44:17 @louas - your ribs look terrific! (Some credit to AFK for the rub!) 

Must say, I love spicy heat, and some sweet along with it balances. Can't wait to try AFKs rub! 

25389 luddite 2012-05-02 23:30:23 @TonyO/louas: Thank you both for supporting the team that brought us TH and keeps it running smoothly (if 

you check out the worthy causes page you can see that finding a cure for Diabetes is also a priority with @AFK 

and his family). 




25390 A Frayed Knot 2012-05-03 01:20:09 Thanks for the link luddite............I had lost it.............and yes my family is the Diabetes poster family..........lucky 

for me, I'm at the other end of the spectrum......hypoglycemic...........and so far, none of my children have had 

any problems (must be good genes on their mother's side).............ride on mr21cbs! 

25393 David T 2012-05-03 10:41:48 @BLou The Havens was a PnP. I have two coworkers who do those Tough Mudders- they have shown me 

pictures & I agree I think they're nuts. 

25394 john o' 2012-05-03 11:03:20 Anyone get an early e-mail on the Wine Library Super Tuscan deal at noon EST? If not, anyone figure out what it 

is from the clues? 

25395 BaroloDude 2012-05-03 12:26:19 its the Le Macchiole Paleo Rosso 07....cab franc grown in tuscany. 

25396 mr21cbs 2012-05-03 13:03:37 Thank you to everyone who contributed to the ADA Tour de Cure, your support is much appreciated. 

25397 TonyO 2012-05-03 15:37:30 Just bought tickets for Santana AND The Allman Bros. at SPAC in July...............it doesn't get much better than that 

if you want to hear the guitar played by three of the best............... 

25399 BaroloDude 2012-05-03 18:44:58 "THIS WILL SELL OUT"... maybe just not today. 

20744 

Finca Sandoval 04, deeeeeeelightful over the last two days. LOTS of tobacco/dark fruit/leathery/light peppery 

goodness. 

25400 BuffaloLou 2012-05-03 23:34:21 @Tony O - I am envious! Enjoy the concert! 

25401 David T 2012-05-04 01:30:36 Just another day at the office... I don't want to go into too much detail but I found evidence of controlled 

prescription diversion which is a big and growing problem in Ohio. Contacted the pharmacy board which has law 

enforcement authority in addition to licensing pharmacists and interns, and spoke with an agent who wants an 

affidavit to add to an ongoing investigation. If anyone has experience writing one, I never have & would love 

input. 

25403 BrunelloBob 2012-05-04 05:32:05 D.T.: Protect yourself, speak with a lawyer. 

If you give an affadavit, make sure it can't be used against you in a libel suit down the road. You may be 

protected in this context, but I wouldn't count on it. 

Good luck, and thanks for coming forward. 

25406 luddite 2012-05-04 08:11:25 @David T: Proud of you for doing the right thing! Sounds like good advice from @B²! 

42 years ago but feels like yesterday. Still no answers for those who were wounded on that day :evil: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOoNM0U6oc&feature=related 




25407 louas 2012-05-04 10:14:57 @Luddite: Wow, 42 years ago. A pretty vivid memory for me. I was a freshman at UW Madison and after this 

incident all hell broke loose. Demonstrations, rioting, National Guard, tear gas, classes cancelled. Chaos. 

On a lighter note: Feliz Cinco de Mayo weekend to all! 

25408 BuffaloLou 2012-05-04 14:00:45 @TO - just heard today that Santana and ABB are coming to Buffalo, too. Unfortunately to Darien Lake; sucky 

venue, worse acoustics. 

25411 ptaylor2112 2012-05-04 16:20:56 I saw ABB on one of the rare occasions when they did *not* play "Whipping Post." It was strange. Even stranger 

was the drunk/high dude that kept yelling "Play some Allllllllllllllllllllman Brothers!" Fortunately he passed out 

midway through the show. 

In other news, the 2007 San Roman Toro is on Cindy for $37.37, with free shipping on 3. That's good enough for 

me. 

And finally, the Mrs. is cooking a ham tonight. I'm opening a Beaujolais or a Riesling, eh make that a Beaujolais 

*and* a Riesling. :) 

Everyone have a great weekend! 

Patrick 

25415 BuffaloLou 2012-05-04 21:31:55 2006 Havens Wine Cellars 

Syrah - USA, California, Napa Valley (5/4/2012) 

C: Opaque purple-black 

N: Berries, berries, and more berries, spice, bacon, and a hint of vanilla 

P: Dark berries with an earthy component; full in the mouth from front, to mid, to finish 

F: med+ 

A delicious Syrah that is ready to drink now. (Thanks to David T for pointing it out!) Beautifully integrated; 

smooth and easy drinking. Nice acid would make it food friendly, but I enjoyed it solo. Killer QPR (as I got this on 

fire sale after Havens closed.) (90 points) 





25416 Mrpat56 2012-05-04 21:44:30 To DavidT. I am also a Pharmacist. I have written to the board inder similar circumstances. Just tell the truth 

of what you have observed. Dont make any inferences, as your suspicions may be wrong. Make sure your 

supervisors are aware of every step you take, unless they are suspected culprits. In that case keep someone else 

trusted to keep quiet informed. And of coures always keep copys. Good luck. It can get messy 

25417 BuffaloLou 2012-05-04 21:45:18 Darn it all, Patrick, you had to go an mention the SRT... I've stayed away from CW offers for a few days now, and 

didn't see this until you pointed it out. SRT is too good to pass up. In for 3 (Strictly for scientific purposes to keep 

the vertical going... ) (Seriously, TY for mentioning it!) 

Ham... Always a tough wine pairing for me. It's the natural sweetness that makes it difficult. I haven't tried it 

yet, but an off dry Riesling might work. You mentioned Riesling Patrick; off dry or dry? I've done beer with ham 

(and either scalloped potatoes or potatoes au gratin) and it works, too. 

25418 TonyO 2012-05-04 22:14:22 @ptaylor2112...............always a few like that at those type of shows................I have heard "FREEBIRD" yelled at 

plenty of shows that were NOT Skynyrd ! 

I was looking at some old concert ticket stubs (yeah, I kept almost all of them)....found a stub from the same date 

as the coming show, July 27th, from exactly 20 years ago (Santana at SPAC with opening act Phish.....) also found 

a very cool picture of a very young TonyO (1980 or 1981) with Carlos Santana after a show at the Palace Theater 

in Albany, NY................would love to get a "now and then" pic with Carlos in July................hope the show evolves 

into a jam session, that would be cool as Carlos, Warren, and Derek trucks can rip it 

@BLou: even if the venue sucks, this is a NOT TO BE MISSED show IMO......can only imagine Carlos on stage for 

"Soulshine"............epic is an understatement..... 

25420 BrunelloBob 2012-05-04 22:24:45 Dude, yelling "Freebird" at a non-Skynard concert IS pretty Funny....might have been me... 

25421 TonyO 2012-05-04 23:48:59 some late night (by East coast standards.....) ear candy..... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnLs7tpsnw0&feature=g-vrec 




25423 Brooks 2012-05-05 11:49:44 Warren Haynes....saw him play as ABB in NYC with UBC... LA Forum with Dead...and in Boston as Govt Mule....Let 

me get this right, he plays with two of the top 25 rock bands of all time and and has his own kick ass band. 

Amazing. My guess he is very busy and rarely gets a chance to workout and eat properly. I saw him back stage 

at Forum...poor guy looked like 20 miles of bad road. Dude take care of yourself 

Prof Luddite still one of the most nerve hitting songs..What a horrible event for all those involved...I love CSNY 

CSN CN and Neil. I was too young to appreciate the times and what was a happening but my sister shared with 

me that things were changing. She was a bit of a rebel and gave my parents a good run for the money. She tried 

to make it to Woodstock but did not make it too far and needed to turn back. 

Very hectic on family and biz fronts...but did pick up some San Roman 007...As John O has shared....this is 

powerful stuff..I have miles to travel and several bases to touch..take a chance to enjoy the season...and listen to 

the birds..and a time to every purpose under Heaven...be well 

25424 BrunelloBob 2012-05-05 12:38:19 FREEBIRD! 

25425 John O' 2012-05-05 13:06:58 @Brooks 

I now have the '04, '05, '06 and '07. 1 more vintage and I'll have a team that will beat the Miami Heat. 

25426 BrunelloBob 2012-05-05 19:29:28 Anyone have any idea how I got on K&L's mailing list? That's snail mail, not email. 

Never bought from them in my life. 

I figure they're either the one's behind The Temple's security breach :) or someone told them that they are the 

only internet retailer I'm Not buying from...Hope I didn't hurt their feelings... 

25427 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-05 19:35:32 @BBob Do you get Wine Enthusiast Magazine? I do, and I get K&L snail mail and they don't even ship to VA! 

25428 wine magnet 2012-05-05 21:06:36 @B: Don't knock being on K&L's mailing list. Their website is probably the most informative around, and 

their continuous online auctions have offered some darned good buys, w/excellent provenance. Shipping from 

CA to FL has been the cheapest of any Left coast site for me. With some states (incl FL) you have to call to place 

an order rather than do it online, even though they still ship here. No complaints from this corner! 

25429 BrunelloBob 2012-05-05 21:37:21 @WIM: yes on the WE, though I'm paying little or nothing for it :) . Sounds like I found out how they're making 

money off me... How'd you figure out it was them? 

@Mags: CT is one of those states you have to call in for (from what I hear). Just too much of a hassle. The 

mailing was worth a quick perusal. Maybe I learned something, I never know... :? 





2006 Thumbprint Cellars 

Cabernet Sauvignon Schneider Vineyard - USA, California, Sonoma County, Dry Creek Valley (5/5/2012) 

Not bad, but a little short on the midpalate. On the PnP, it was a mess, but cleaned up nicely with some air. 

Not bad for an $18 Cali Cab, but one can do better for the $. (87 points) 


25431 BuffaloLou 2012-05-05 21:43:27 @BB - Be sure to deposit those WE mags in your nearest Abitibi ("Paper Retriever") paper recycling bin; at least 

this way, they'll make a NPO some $! ;) 

25432 louas 2012-05-05 21:48:29 Early dinner tonite. Slow weber roasted side of wild salmon w/AFK rub. The sweet elements really shined thru . 

Paired with 2007 MUX Tinto Douro. $20 WL. Really good on pnp. Getting better and better in the decanter and 

my glass. 

Big improvement over last night's Mateus 8-) Ms. Louas just came by to say "hey, this is good!" 

25433 A Frayed Knot 2012-05-05 22:26:04 @louas ~ Oh man! That brings back memories of my years in Washington...........fresh salmon on the grill (the 

stuff I find here is total garbage)..........Alaskan Copper River Salmon is the absolute best............and oh the 

Washington Steelhead trout is heavenly!.........man I'm hungry! 

25434 ptaylor2112 2012-05-06 01:01:50 @BuffaloLou, ham isn't sweet for me -- I tend to taste the salt. The wine pairing depends more on the glaze. A 

ham with a mustard glaze is totally ready for Beaujolais, even a Pinot Noir (provided the flavor profile of the P/N 

matches the saltiness of the ham). Reisling goes well, too. I prefer my Reislings dry. 

Friday's ham had a glaze of honey, thyme, cider vinegar, brown sugar, and worcestershire sauce, among others. 

(See link.) http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/glazed_baked_ham/ . The Beaujolais was light and matched just 

fine. I decided to hold the Reisling (Eins Swei Dry) for leftovers on Sunday night, but I may have a Vouvray instead. 

25439 BrunelloBob 2012-05-06 08:26:36 Copper River Salmon at The Water Grill in Las Angeles: The Finest piece of fish that I have Ever 

had....mmmmmmmmm 




25440 wine magnet 2012-05-06 09:04:14 @AFK & BB: I agree regarding Copper River Salmon being THE best, followed by other wild caught Alaskan 

salmon. The farm raised Atlantic salmon are usually so dry I almost gag swallowing it. 

If you are a Costco member, they start offering Copper River salmon in FL, usually in one of their weekend 

Seafood Extravaganza Roadshow events in late May/early June. It may sell out on the first day of the event, so be 

there early to stock up your freezer. Last year I believe I paid $10-$11/pound. For another month or so into July, 

Costco has other wild caught Alaskan salmon. 

25442 TonyO 2012-05-06 13:43:02 @Brooks: and not to mention what a soulful voice WH has.........utterly amazing 

25445 KaellaDave 2012-05-06 18:30:26 Regarding salmon - if you ever see Yukon River Salmon - jump on it, you won't be sorry. Even BETTER than the 

Copper River. Very hard to find because almost all of it goes to Japan. A tiny bit showed up here in Washington 

last year - not cheap though, Yukon River King filets go for north of $35/lb. Just so happens I'm doing some 

salmon for dinner tonight with some pasta salad and a nice Rose'. 

25446 BrunelloBob 2012-05-06 20:54:34 Is the rose' french? 

25447 BuffaloLou 2012-05-06 21:55:16 If it only had a longer finish... (TWSS) 

2008 Bodega Renacer 

Malbec Punto Final Reserva - Argentina, Mendoza (5/6/2012) 

C: opaque purple-black 

N: toast, licorice , intense black cherry and blackberry, hint of vanilla 

P: mouth coating viscosity, intense black fruits, slightly tannic but not too much, 

F: Short 

A longer finish would have garnered more points, but this is a very tasty, fruit forward, rounded Malbec. Loved 

the tannins. Good for the price, $14. (89 points) 





25448 A Frayed Knot 2012-05-06 22:21:36 Hmmm........Philly Offline Part Deux...........if I only had a rhyme for that....... 

There once was a man from Stehekin, 

Who couldn’t keep his eyes from a blinkin’ 

He used all his might, 

To keep them shut tight. 

But from lids, his eyes kept a peekin’. 

He tried all the local home remedies, 

And lost feeling in certain extremities. 

Heard tale of a good nurse in Philly, 

Whose methods were known to be silly. 

So on bus he chased after his falacies, hoping to be rid of his maladies. 

He arrived at the restaurant Sonata, 

And heard what he thought a cantata. 

He entered that space, 

For a nurse soon to place. 

But found drinkin’ …..a helluva a lotta! 

A man with no shoes and dark glasses, 

And a lady who’d been waiting in Manassas, 

Filled his belly with good wine, 

And showed him a great time. 

But soon they’d all fallin’ down on their asses! 

A woman named Wine Baby Wine 

h l i 

25449 NY Pete 2012-05-07 00:30:32 I love playoff hockey. 

25452 mr21cbs 2012-05-07 08:56:27 NY Pete, fair is fair. You #$^&$% Devils handled the Flyers pretty well. 1 or 2 games and we are done. 



25453 NaH 2012-05-07 10:38:04 @AFK Very nice! 

@ALL 


The Philly Offline is approaching fast. It would be wonderful to meet many of you! 

Make a weekend trip out of it. 

Jim 

25455 BuffaloLou 2012-05-07 23:27:30 Pretty quite around these parts... 

Watched "The Change-Up" tonight. Haven't laughed that much in a while. Funny movie! 

25456 louas 2012-05-07 23:51:16 Enjoyed a bottle of '04 Ondarre tonight. That is one hell of a good wine for $11.50!!!!!!!!!!!! 

25457 louas 2012-05-08 00:04:22 Did I forget to mention that the Rangers won tonight in rather dramatic fashion?????? 

Can the Flyers rally to win two straight? 

Can you say Coyotes? 

25458 mr21cbs 2012-05-08 08:59:37 @louas, that was an impressive finish for the Rangers. Bad penalty at the end of the game cost the Caps. Must be 

totally deflating to be 6.6 seconds away from victory and fail in such dramatic fashion. 

Hopefully the Flyers can prolong this agony of the playoff run, but with the other teams having such solid 

defenses and goalies, we have no shot. 

25460 john o' 2012-05-08 13:26:39 2006 Reignac on Last Bottle for $15. Free ship on 6. parker 91. 

25461 joe g 2012-05-08 14:45:15 nice brunello deal on cindy 

25463 mr21cbs 2012-05-08 15:14:54 Thank you, Joe G, in for a few. 

25464 mr21cbs 2012-05-08 15:52:52 Anyone has any thoughts on the WL banner deal for Barolo? 

25465 joe g 2012-05-08 16:49:58 michael, am i missing something or have they not said what the barolo offer was yet? 

25466 winex 2012-05-08 17:30:23 @louas- every time I crack a btl of the '04 Ondarre I say the same thing. I popped one last weekend for a couple 

of friends & they were sure I had opened something that was a bit pricey. When I told them the cost they 

were floored & wanted to get it. 




25467 louas 2012-05-08 17:41:14 @Cbs: you guys need to buy a goalie in the off season. If Rangers and Coyotes end up in the finals I will be 

heading up the road for at least one game. Pretty tempting to go see a Phoenix-LA battle of the hot goaltenders 

as well. 

I saw my first game at the old Madison Sq. Garden (on 47th st, I think) when there were six teams and no one, 

not even the goalies wore masks. They kept their sticks down. Gump Worsely was the Rangers goalie for that 

game and Terry Sawchuck was in goal for the red wings. Even as a young boy I recognized that no one messed 

with Gordie Howe. 

And now Phoenix v. LA ; quite the evolution 

25468 mr21cbs 2012-05-08 18:04:37 Joe G, the banner only says: "On Thursday, May 10th, Wine Library will bring you our deal of the week. A 90 Point 

rated vintage Barolo with a savings of 40% off the suggested release price! This outstanding effort is from the 

2004 vintage and Barolo lovers in particular will love the fact that this will be an offer you can enjoy now! 

Readers of Robert Parker's the Wine Advocate might recognize this Barolo as the Advocate scored the wine 90 

Points when it was first reviewed back in 2008. Antonio Galloni issued high praise for this small producer and 

noted that this producer "is a terrific source for traditionally-made Barolos that remain exceptionally well-priced" 

Currently, the best price online we could find for this wine is $49.99. The Release Price is $45.00. Our price - just 

$26.98. That's a savings of 40%!" 

~ 

Louas, we bought a goalie! We are now chained to Bryzgalov for 9 years with his $51 million deal. He seem to 

stop some stuff, but not at the playoff level. We are missing a couple of defensemen, but who doesn't this time 

of season. Your story is before my time remembering hockey or being in the states to experience the NHL, still 

fascinating. Thanks for sharing! 

25469 joe g 2012-05-08 18:04:57 louas... they bought a goalie last offseason. a very expensive one at that 

25470 mr21cbs 2012-05-08 18:20:41 winex, you brought up an interesting question: do you tell your friends how much a bottle costs? Whether they 

like it or not it will produce different reaction, but if you open an $11.50 that drinks much pricier it still may 

appear "cheap". If I get something more expensive, although I am not a big spender and rarely open a $50+ 

bottle of wine, I don't appreciate when somebody just gulps it without much appreciation. You get my drift 

25472 louas 2012-05-08 20:26:36 OOps, my bad re: Flyers goalie. Perhaps he will enjoy a renaissance season next year. 

Totally agree on friends and the price of the wine, especially when you open a prized bottle to share and it is 

treated like a bota box. 

25473 mr21cbs 2012-05-08 21:48:41 Courtesy of Sir Louas: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf8ZQcGbRwE&feature=youtube_gdata_player 




25474 louas 2012-05-08 22:07:35 Attention Flyers fans: You are cordially invited to jump on the Rangers' Bandwagon as we need all the help we 

can get to oust the Capitals. 

This will allow to postpone some hand wringing over the Phillies and will act as a diversion between Sixers games. 

25475 BrunelloBob 2012-05-08 22:10:37 I tell my friends how much the bottle costs (sometimes), so that I can brag about how much of a discount I got on 

it. :) 

25476 Pats-Pwr 2012-05-08 22:48:37 @BLou: I've been away from the Hills and just catching up on the posts, so I just read your comment about your 

family reunion in the Poconos. Bummer, you were in the backyard of Flyerfan, Josie and I. I wish you would had 

free time and could have contacted us. The Inn at Pocono Manor is about 30 minutes from Beth and maybe 45 

from Josie and I. If you travel this way again let us know, would love to finally meet you in person. 

Speaking of Josie, I was able to catch up with her for a couple of hours and pick up my half case of Kaella Rose' 

while she was working in her Garden on Saturday. It was a fantastic afternoon to sit and talk in her beautiful 

garden while sipping a cool Chardonnay. She did say that she felt bad that she simply dropped into the Hills, 

posted a single message but didn't respond to the comments you all left for her. She is very busy this time of 

year. I live 5 minutes away and it took us nearly a month to meet up and exchange the Kaella. She is planning to 

attend the Philly Offline #2 but won't be able to confirm until just prior to the event. She is also planning her 

Garden Party III and she has a tentative date that she will share once plans firm up. The upgrades to her kitchen 

are real nice and will greatly improve the flow between the house and the garden for this year's party. 

@AFK: I received your rib rub shortly after returning from Las Vegas and I have to say that it smells wonderful. I 

can not wait to actually try it out. Thanks again for sending the samples. I also forwarded Josie the picture of the 

25477 joe g 2012-05-08 23:05:31 cbs... as far as the barolo banner offer........ it seems, on this board, that unless galloni rates a barolo it has no 

merit. so in this case a 90 point galloni score at this price from this vintage should equal a great deal... no? 

25478 BuffaloLou 2012-05-09 00:05:19 @Pats-Pwr - Yeah, I knew I would be close to many inmates, but our schedule was tight. I have family in the 

Philly area and hopefully will get back there soon. It would be nice to meet with you all. 

25479 David T 2012-05-09 01:05:16 *sigh* My netbook had been dying a slow death the past few weeks and finally went to meet its maker tonight. 

Any suggestions as far as replacements? I had an Asus EEE PC which served me well, I've been considering a 

tablet but leaning towards another netbook- something primarily for web surfing & a bit of word 

processing/PowerPoint/picture storage in the <$500 range. Unfortunately no matter what I get it will eat into 

the upcoming months' wine budgets especially since all of the home repairs/upgrades we've been 

working on recently have all been pricier than their estimates as well :( At least it's an excuse to drink 

down rather than add to the existing cellar inventory. 




25483 mr21cbs 2012-05-09 08:34:47 DavidT take a look at these: 

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=772&name=Netbooks&Tpk=netbook&Order=RA 

TING 

I buy a lot of hardware from Newegg, and their prices are pretty good. Apple is coming out with MacBook Air 

around $700 this summer. It is more than you want but it is a stellar piece of hardware. There are also 

Chromebooks: http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/#utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-usbkws&utm_medium=ha 

These are for web browsing only, word processing, etc. is possible with the use of Google Docs, which is pretty 

much all you need. 

I use iPad for pretty much everything you need with a few apps (QuickOffice for word processing, powerpoint, 

etc.) 

25484 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-09 09:12:05 This is an interesting post: http://www.decanter.com/bordeaux-2011/en-primeur-coverage/529953/bordeaux- 

2011-primeurs-offers-being-met-with-stoney-silence-merchants-report 

Any comments from our Bordeaux guy Vinny? 

25485 johnr 2012-05-09 09:34:48 @JoeGallo.....I don't think that your statement regarding the absolute need for a Galloni score rates a buy over a 

no buy. I believe that it is a statement more about transparentancy. As far as the 1st barolo deal, there was NO 

TN or literature provided outside that of the Wine Lib and the winery. Far from me to suggest that WineLib 

would over(hype) a wine, I will suggest that I will at least look at this 90pt barolo more than the 1st barolo. As so 

far as the first barolo, everyone seemed to be in agreement that $50 was a bit steep for a barolo with Zero 

pedigree. The market spoke. I find your comment a bit distasteful. 

25486 joe g 2012-05-09 10:14:16 john r... if i wanted my full name out there i would have used it is my screen name. 

cannot say that the last barolo deal did not have a pedigree because it had no critic score.. pedigree has more to 

do with producer, vintage, track record, etc.. this wine has pedigree 

i am sorry you find my comment distasteful. the irony is i was using your criteria and logic to formulate that 

comment 

25487 johnr 2012-05-09 11:30:55 @joeg......You are correct, that barolo was from an overhyped vintage, unknown producer and no single vineyard 

designation. So, therefore it has no pedigree. Therefore your comment has more to do with cutting individuals 

here, than ironic or laconic logic. Why must this nonsense continue? 




25488 joe g 2012-05-09 11:48:44 john... you are correct this was an overhyped vintage, yet you referred to the 2000 vintage as 'special' in your 

post about it? 

this producer may not be known to you, but i have had dozens of spectacular wines from them..they are one of 

the better values in the langhe. the riserva that was offered is not a specific vineyard designation because they 

only took select bunches from each vineyard... 

i was answering a question that cbs asked (sorry i did now) and not trying to 'cut you'.. 

25489 mr21cbs 2012-05-09 11:50:58 Joe G, I guess it was unfair on my part to ask your opinion without the wine being revealed. I am not following 

Galloni that closely and would prefer an opinion of the forum peers over AG's. When we know the wine if you 

would care to share your opinion, please do so. Thanks. 

~ 

JohnR, I did not take Joe's response with the same sensitivity as you did, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Same 

goes for you. Please share your thoughts on the Barolo as I am looking for Barolo in that price range. Thanks. 

25490 vinmoet 2012-05-09 12:03:59 Hey, I'm a fish out of water once I'm out of Bordeaux. I'd love as much input from you guys as possible. Thanks 

for taking the time to help the rest of us. 

25491 Brunellobob 2012-05-09 12:21:35 Anyone ever do a search on the WLTV boards for "gallo" and see how many times "joe gallo" comes up? 

Just curious. 

:roll: 

25492 NY Pete 2012-05-09 12:35:24 JR stirring the pot yet again ... wuwt 

25493 vinmoet 2012-05-09 12:38:52 Do we have any guesses as to what the wine will be? 

25494 Brunellobob 2012-05-09 12:39:23 Saint Peter speaks... 

(Or: Pot, Kettle, Black) 

25495 NY Pete 2012-05-09 12:44:10 like you BobbyB, I'm far from being a saint. 

25496 Brunellobob 2012-05-09 12:55:06 Maybe, but I don't jump around the internet kibitzing on every wine board that I can find. 

25497 Johnr 2012-05-09 12:56:06 Then please explain your comment:"on this board"? 

Pete: hey buddy, just keeping everyone honest. I don't recall anyone going over to the forums and causing 

problems recently. And your the last person to talk bout stiring the pot 

25498 Shaftoe 2012-05-09 13:14:19 Regarding tomorrow's Barolo offer, It has been speculated by one Julius on the WL boards that the wine in 

question may be the 2004 Guido Porro Barolo Vigna Santa Caterina 

25499 Brunellobob 2012-05-09 13:16:56 I may buy a bottle just because it has "Guido" on the label... :lol: 




25500 joe g 2012-05-09 13:19:16 john, i was refering to the fact that this barolo offer has a galloni score. i was using your words that baroli 

without galloni scores are questionable.. i was using that point to demonstrate that this should be a more 

relevant offer... i dont believe that is a reason for you to have distaste.. but if it was then i apologize, but we are 

also even then as i found your comments about the people who bought the last barolo offer to be "idiot 

followers", as you said, distasteful 

25501 johnr 2012-05-09 13:35:50 yet again another example of pot being stirred for no reason. Them vs Us is still alive... 

25502 NY Pete 2012-05-09 13:42:59 meh ... how can meh be a duplicate comment? 

25503 NY Pete 2012-05-09 13:43:33 :) 

25504 NY Pete 2012-05-09 13:44:07 LETS GO DEVILS! 

25505 vinmoet 2012-05-09 13:46:38 Seems like a good guess...this also has WS90 

https://winelibrary.com/wines/42451-04-guido-porro-barolo-santa-caterina 

25506 joe g 2012-05-09 13:49:04 really john???? ok, i get it now... you can say anything you want, but if anyone brings it up then it is an attack.. i 

get it. you win.... good thing you are here to keep it honest... dont forget to add to the wine discussion as well 

25508 kommander kaos 2012-05-09 16:05:48 As the kommander reads through the previous posts regarding the baroli posted by one of the hills greatest 

assets 

LT jg JG, the kommander is mystified as to where cadet john r can find anything offensive. The kommander would 

also like to point out that LT jg has always been supportive of one of our own who has taken much flak. Cadet JR 

needs to take the hostility down a notch. The same must be said of nco pete and brevet brunello. The 

kommander among others appreciates the kalming nature of the hills and wishes the above mentioned 

desperados will fall in line with the program. 

kaos out 

25509 johnr 2012-05-09 16:36:27 @Mr. Kaos....very reasonable and sensible commentary. I agree with you regarding tone around here, but that is 

my point with JoeG et al. They always come here with smart comments and tongue and cheek remarks. I find it 

interesting that he does not make those remarks in Forums, where this discussion was located. Why end his 

statement with a vailed remark at us? 

25510 NY Pete 2012-05-09 16:58:08 Kaos now just WTF did I say that was hostile. I wish you and all residents of the hills, peace. 

25511 BrunelloBob 2012-05-09 17:44:31 Perhaps the Kommander should be offering a similar scolding to Mr. Joe. While his knowledge is considerable, his 

tone is not always appreciated by Brigadier Brunello and some others. 

25512 kommander kaos 2012-05-09 17:59:14 The kommander was perhaps to quick to jump on private pete this time. old transgressions are hard to bury. The 

kommander does accept the privates offer of peace. The kommander also respectfully requests that junior 

officer JR reread the last line from LT jg JG again, if their was any hostility in that sentence it was directed at you 

as opposed to the happy warriors here in the hills. The kommander os hoping that this is all behind us now. 

kaos out 




25513 kommander kaos 2012-05-09 18:06:54 The kommander respectfully points out to bombardier bob that LT jg JG has always been an informative friend to 

many of the posters here in the hills. It was LT jg JG who befriended Brigadier B lou when he was taking flak from 

many of the forum flyboys. We as a community should not forget this. 

kaos out 

25514 NY Pete 2012-05-09 18:40:16 Kaos, your attitude towards the forum could lead to a renewal of urban warfare. Please do your part to keep the 

peace. 

25515 BaroloDude 2012-05-09 19:40:16 I am hoping the Barolo offer is from a maker I have a little experience with... I do use AG Italian wine reviews as 

important information to help me decide to "take a chance"/experiment when its something i have not tasted 

myself, or not from a maker i am otherwise familiar with. After extensive "experimentation" and correlation of 

results, i have found significantly positive correlation of AG's palate and mine... therefore absent of other 

information or direct experience, his score or comments become important to me. 

This is not a random "if a famous critic hasn't rated it, i don't want it" attitude. For 50 bucks i am not willing to go 

blind into a Barolo... and AG reviews shed relevant light for me personally. i would not suggest a rule for others 

though like that unless they have also "put in the work" to determine correlation positive or negative with his 

Barolo reviews. It just works for me when all other forms of opinion or personal experience are lacking. There 

is too much variance from maker to maker and subregion to subregion etc...,personal disappointment is very 

possible even with Baroli ;-) For sub30bucks, I might take a risk regardless for one bottle on the upcoming 

offer.. and consider it a learning experience if less than thrilled. Not so sure why this approach is worthy of 

contempt or snide comments, but "WHATEVER". I love you all anyway. 

I don't know what piece of furniture I will have to store it under or which closet still has any room to stuff it in. 

THAT is the real problem... 




25516 joe g 2012-05-09 22:05:44 barolo dude.... regarding critics discussions... i have bought far more worse wines strictly that got good critics 

scores than i have by just using good judgement based on the facts at hand... 

john.. obviously you are not using the search function on me as some are because if you were you would know 

that i am the same on the forums as i am here... i speak it how it is, have a mad sense of humor, and if i see 

something being said that i think may be incorrect i chime in. i am constantly putting myself in the crosshairs 

more than anyone on there for having differing opinions on aging, food pairings, decanting, etc.... i was trying to 

use your point of critics scores to show that this upcoming deal in theory is better than the last one.. sorry that 

you cannot accept that.. you can make me be the bad guy, i am used to that, just please dont do it when i am 

using the words that were yours to begin with... i assure you that i think the 'us vs them' thing is the stupidest 

thing i have ever heard... let it go and talk about wine 

25517 joe g 2012-05-09 22:17:56 times like this i wish moet would chime in... we have had several epic disagreements about subjects yet we 

always manage to do it in a adult, respectful manner with mutual respect... it is good wine discussion and keeps 

boards like this pertinent and educational... 

25518 BuffaloLou 2012-05-09 22:25:18 Hoping to channel Brooks... Popping a Havens Syrah '06. After popping one a week or two ago per David Ts rec, I 

thought another would hit the spot tonight. 

25519 David T 2012-05-09 22:40:58 @BLou/Brooks I opened a CH Lot 179 (07 Havens Black & Blue) tonight myself. Good, but I liked the 06 

Syrah better. 

25520 David T 2012-05-09 22:55:22 +1 to much of what joe wrote at both 10:05 and 10:17 

25521 David T 2012-05-09 22:56:05 AND just for old times sake.......... HATTRICK!! 

25522 TonyO 2012-05-09 23:10:05 as our UPS driver (or Doug Heffernan as our 7 year old calls him) has changed his route and now shows up when 

no one is home, I learned that I can put the UPS address as my "ship to" address and pick up there (which for me 

is convenient as the UPS is only about 5 minutes away)................. 

25523 A Frayed Knot 2012-05-09 23:26:55 Mary.........had a little lamb.......and Brooks plays a mean sax.. :) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7moBSaWkH8 

25524 louas 2012-05-09 23:30:31 The bad: Rangers lose 

The good: 07 Amavi Cabernet. I got some of this after a wine library episode. Drinking really well right now. 

The ugly: all the petty personal crap being spewed this afternoon and evening. 

25525 TonyO 2012-05-09 23:38:36 I stop by here to escape the ^&% storm on Facebook and I see nonsensical bickering here..........again, IT IS 

GRAPE JUICE ! Save the serious approach for ordeals that require it...............Wine and spirits are supposed to be 

enjoyable..............if you disagree, raise a glass and get over it (or go behind the dumpster and beat the living 

%^&$ out of each other...............) 




25526 TonyO 2012-05-09 23:38:38 I stop by here to escape the ^&% storm on Facebook and I see nonsensical bickering here..........again, IT IS 

GRAPE JUICE ! Save the serious approach for ordeals that require it...............Wine and spirits are supposed to be 

enjoyable..............if you disagree, raise a glass and get over it (or go behind the dumpster and beat the living 

%^&$ out of each other...............) 

25527 TonyO 2012-05-09 23:39:42 same post twice..........is that a double play ???? 

25528 BuffaloLou 2012-05-10 00:12:19 @louas - the 07 Amavi Cab rocks! 

@AFK - nice find!! Although I am partial to SRVs cover: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkFYGIEtbY&feature=related 

25529 BuffaloLou 2012-05-10 01:53:31 Mrs and I killed the bottle of Havens Syrah. Relaxin' in a bluesy mood... "There's a red house over yonder baby... 

" 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FMQPb1f-Ng&feature=related 

25532 NaH 2012-05-10 05:15:43 @TonyO 

I received a pamphlet in mail for summer family vacations at SMUGGLER"S NOTCH in Vermont. How is this place? 

25533 Brooks 2012-05-10 05:33:38 I wanted to address some of the recent posts in no specific order 

play nice 

only if the script required it 

you crack you up 

I am seeing doubles too, maybe we should both put down the bottle 

that is not correct 

you are an amazing slouch 

Barolo Barolo Barolo 

I think he would be a better ensign than a vice admiral 

Lighten up Francis 

Dude Trattoria 4 Leoni Firenze Italia 

Havens just happens 

I can't attend family obligations............ 

walkin it home 

hold fast to that which is good 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSZxdv0-3h4&feature=related 




25534 BrunelloBob 2012-05-10 06:29:15 Perhaps if "moet would chime in", he would give us some pointers on how to have these conversations without 

someone taking offense. For all his useful, educational posting, Moet always manages to make his point without 

someone getting his panties in a bunch. Again, it's a matter of tone. 

That's it, I'm done. 

Peace. 

25535 David T 2012-05-10 07:58:00 I know we've all seen his notes on Cellartracker and I'm sure we all can relate to what Richard Jennings writes 

here... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-jennings/wine-science_b_1501765.html 

25536 mr21cbs 2012-05-10 08:56:18 So for binary minded individuals like me - we agree that this is a fair, respectable, and fun forum for all. And as a 

smart man said on page 1388, I love you all! 

25537 mr21cbs 2012-05-10 08:58:29 Louas, Luddite - nothing beats a game 7!!! 

P.S. I think there is too much testosterone around here, must be the Hockey and Basketball playoff time 

P.S. Especially when I am completely impartial to the outcome. :twisted: 

25538 mr21cbs 2012-05-10 09:00:44 Oh what the hell... Phillies can't get out of 7,8 or 9th inning. Make the Mats and Nationals look invincible. Flyers 

are done! Go Sixers! 

~HATTRICK~ 

25539 vinmoet 2012-05-10 10:15:28 Hmmmm. How to voice my thoughts yet not get sucked into anything. Here goes (wish me luck). You like Siskel, 

I like Ebert. We can agree to disagree (even when we both really know that Ebert is right). 

Hows that for a comment that hopefully dodges a bullet? I guess we'll find out. 

You know I'm a big Jancis Robinson fan. And, you know that I love a book by Alice Feiring called "The Battle for 

Wine and Love or How I saved the World from Parkerization." A book that I agree with in part, disagree with 

quite a bit, and chuckled through and enjoyed enough to recommend it. 

So, what if Jancis interviewed Alice, in London, about her passion for "natural wines"? Wine geek nirvana? 

Well, thanks to the magic of the internet... 

http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/a201105183.html 




25540 joe g 2012-05-10 10:33:30 moet. ever eloquent! here's to hoping that we can agree to a vintage of pavie that we can both enjoy together 

someday! lol 

25541 vinmoet 2012-05-10 10:41:50 Two sides to one story? Jancis being interviewed by Alice? Does it get any better? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xlO8sbVpYo&feature=player_embedded 

25542 joe g 2012-05-10 11:08:09 i'm buying in the dark. in for 2 of the noon barolo offer. worst case scenario i make vitello brassere en barolo 

25543 AdamEmpire 2012-05-10 11:23:42 Limited Ship4Free today, wanted to give you folks the heads up http://www.empirewine.com/4free/ . Thanks! 

25544 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-10 13:23:40 @all Please try and be respectful here. We have managed to peacefully coexist by trying not to push each other's 

buttons and I for one would like to see that continue. Wow, serious testosterone overload lately! ;-) 

@joeg You are the man! WBW and I are also in for 2 ea on today's Barolo offer. Then we're going to take our 

credit cards and make them into ice cubes for the next few months. Drink more fight less will be my new motto! 

@mr21cbs I watched Cliff pitch a few innings last night, but after the previous night watching our teams go 0-3, 

the Flyers get eliminated and the Phillies fall even further down the rabbit hole, I needed a 2 hour massage to get 

all the stress knots out of my back! It's going to be a long season if we don't get us some relief pitching! 

@NYP Still won't say "Go Devils", but the better team won our series. 

Working at home and drinking half a glass of 2004 Ondarre Reserva Rioja. Still the best QPR ever, and sure to reappear 

during next week's Cheapskate Wednesday on WTSO. 

Peace out 

25545 john o' 2012-05-10 13:33:21 @WiM 

How does it compare to the Mayor reserva? 

25546 john o' 2012-05-10 13:35:50 Bad wallet day 

The Empire Super tuscan. Adds to my 2006 for a mini vertical. 

The Wine Library Barolo, worth a shot. 

Was ready to pass on the $5 Chard from Last Bottle (even though I've had good fortune with Chris Ringland 

wines) when my brother offerred to split a case. 

One step fwd (consumption, and 3 steps back (purchases). 

25547 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-10 13:43:50 @john o' I do like the Mayor reserva too and I've picked up both multiple times. That's also a great deal for $20, 

but this is a good basic everyday cellar defender for $11.49 delivered. It was open from last night. Maybe I should 

pop a Mayor later and do a comparison... 

Has anyone out there compared the two head to head? 



25548 joe g 2012-05-10 13:54:38 todays cindy offer has me thinking on something i see often. 



it seems to have everything going for it.. some age, big discount, low free shipping count, good critics scores, and 

even good CT scores... the consensus choice tho seems to not purchase due to questionable vintage.. 

on the other hand i have seen countless times where people will pass on a wine from a good (or great) vintage 

solely based on lower critics scores... 

it seems that we side with a poor vintage over good reviews but will abandon better vintages with lesser 

reviews... why do we disregard positive things said about a particular wine based upon a vintage chart that may 

not have even affected this particular area as harsh as it had others in the region? wouldnt we use the same 

logic and disregard some negative thoughts about a wine in favor of a better growing conditions? 

if this particular burgundy had the exact same price, scores, etc.. but was from whatever vintage you thought to 

be more favorable would you buy it? if your answer to that question is yes, then i would think you should still 

buy it even from this vintage 

25549 joe g 2012-05-10 13:57:35 WIM... i the first few times i had the mayor i actually liked the cheaper bottle a touch more... however the last 

bottle of the mayor i had was definitley a little better that the regualr reserva, tho maybe not worth paying 

double for it 

25550 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-10 14:10:42 @ joe g Sounds like a tasting comparison is in order since I've only got an hour left to work today! 

25551 vinmoet 2012-05-10 14:14:07 I've liked both. Just prefer the Reserva 'cause of the price. Aged quality at that price point. Love it. 

Joe, whenst we split a bottle of Pavie (and destiny requires it, my friend), I am thinking that it has to be the 97 

point Parker 2003 which Jancis hated. http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/winenews0422.html 

Just a fun piece of wine geek history...we'll either finally decide it one way or another. 

25552 joe g 2012-05-10 14:16:55 lol... sadly moet, we had the 03 pavie recently thanks to NaH's generosity and while i was happy to try it i dont 

think i have any need to revisit in the future.. i think jancis won that round 



25553 NaH 2012-05-10 15:59:43 Hahaha. 


I have 3 bottles left of the 2003 Pavie and I don't want to revisit them!! 

25554 mr21cbs 2012-05-10 16:54:36 Bought 2 bottles of the Barolo. 

~ 

Joe G, who is invited to try the vitello brassere en barolo? 

~ 

I have a few bottles of the Rocca di Frassinello Le Sughere Maremma Toscana IGT. How is the Ship4Free offer 

from Empire similar or different? 

25555 TonyO 2012-05-10 16:55:45 @NAH: the nicest (and yes, priciest....) place is the Stowe Mountain Lodge ( I am trying to work a deal with them 

to provide coffee for their guests and was there earlier thsi week, an incredible property)...Smuggler's Notch gets 

great reviews from family vacationers (also nice and maybe more family focused), there is also the Trapp Family 

Lodge (very scenic and great for those that like to hike)....all three are located in the Stowe area and a short drive 

to great restaurants and attractions (and we are about 40 minutes away). If you have specific questions, pop me 

an email and I will see what info I can provide ! 

25556 TonyO 2012-05-10 16:57:14 The Broadway tour of Beauty and the Beast tonight in Burlington...........our 7 year old daughter is gonna love it ! 

25557 joe g 2012-05-10 17:14:27 cbs... anyone willing to make the trip gets the food, and some wonderful wine as well! 

i believe the empire offer is the bigger brother to the le sughere 

25559 john o' 2012-05-10 17:43:09 @mr21cbs 

I don't know how they differ stylistically. i do know that the one on offer has a higher SRP. 

25560 jpakma 2012-05-10 18:39:17 @all it's nice to see the Hills restored to order today. 

@WIM I have really enjoyed the Riserva. I think I have one bottle left along with a bottle of the Mayor it would 

be fun to do the side-by-side tonight. @TonyO I hope you enjoy the show. I took my kids to Lion King several 

years ago and they loved it. 

For those of you who enjoy a big Cali-cab I tasted the 2009 Caymus this week and found it delightful. As for the 

WL offer I am going to sit it out not because of the scores or vintage but because I feel I need to be more 

selective in my buying habits and less impulsive. @joe g and @vinmoet I truly enjoy your insights. Thanks! 



25561 BuffaloLou 2012-05-10 21:57:17 @Brooks - Rock on! 

@Vinny - Well said my good man. 


@adam - I love it when you stop by! (Although my credit card is not happy... ) 

@WiM - Careful, popping a reserva and a Mayor in the same day, solo... Are you still vertical? (Note: I like the 

Mayor more, but agree with Joe, may not be worth 2X the price.) 

@joe g - schedule is starting to slow down a bit. Will be in touch with you and Landshark... 

25562 louas 2012-05-10 22:15:11 @cbs: +1 re game 7's The heart says Rangers, the gut says Crapitals, the brain afraid to be tie-breaker. 

+1 on the Ondarre. 11.98 everyday at WL. Fairly EZ to get a free ship (usually). 

@AFK: Tonight your rub enhanced some grilled chicken breasts which received the coveted thumbs up from Ms. 

Louas! Paired with '10 Kim Crawford SB which is what it is which is a consistantly solid wine for 12 bucks. 

How 'bout them Sixers!!!!!!!!!! 

25564 BuffaloLou 2012-05-10 23:12:19 Ugh... Spam filter got me... 

25565 jpakma 2012-05-10 23:13:32 Thanks to @WiM I decided to do the side-by-side tasting of the Ondarre Reserva and Mayor. The pours were 

blind and here's a quick synopsis: 

Color: advantage Mayor (considerably darker in color at the core) although not too important to me 

Nose: advantage Reserva (the Mayor was somewhat muted, however opened up later in the night - still the 

Reserva was better) 

Taste: advantage Mayor (both wines were very good, however, the balance in the Mayor was better; the Reserva 

was more acidic/astringent while the Mayor had good acid but not dominant to other elements) 

Overall - both wines show extremely well. If you like Rioja you won't be disappointed. I paid $25 for the Mayor 

and $12 for the Reserva. I realize price doesn't factor into everyone's decision but at 2x the cost I don't see 2x the 

quality in the Mayor over the Reserva bottling. Mayor 90+ / Reserva 88+ (at 1/2 the cost of the Mayor the 

Reserva is an outstanding bottle of wine). 

Mayor 90-91 

Reserva 88-89 




25566 BuffaloLou 2012-05-10 23:32:18 Old Friend... acoustic... Warren and Derek... Seven minutes of bliss! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UauECrCIYl8 

25567 BuffaloLou 2012-05-10 23:58:22 Why is it the music from our high school years never grows old, yet we do? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUL68ZeclcA&feature=related 

25568 louas 2012-05-11 00:49:55 @jpakma: Thank you. great review. 

Correction to earlier post: 2011 Kim Crawford SB. 

25569 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-11 06:58:39 @jpakma Thanks for doing that and posting your notes. To be fair, the Reserva was on Day 2, and the Mayor was 

a pnp. I'll need to have a glass of the Mayor today to make a fair comparison, but I still really like the Reserva 

better. While you are correct and the Mayor did have some advantages, the Reserva is such a perfect cellar 

defender that it's hard to spend twice as much money for a not corresponding increase in quality. 

@BLou no, I did not consume both bottles in their entirety alone. I finished the Reserva from the day before and 

started the Mayor. However, I did drink about 3 glasses versus my usual 1-2 and therefore went to bed fairly 

early as a result after consuming mass quantities of water. 

@louas Yes, thank goodness the Sixers won and are giving us something to be happy about for a while since the 

Flyers and Phillies aren't. Sorry to say I'm pulling for the Caps now since I live in NoVA and the neighbors and I 

always support each other's teams when we're out of it. 

@mr21cbs The Ship4Free offer is the 2008 and recently WL had the 2006 for $26.73 ea as one of their Big Banner 

Deals. I'm tempted, but just bought the Barolo yesterday. 

25570 winex 2012-05-11 08:32:20 @mr21cbs - To answer your post from May 8 @6:20pm. I almost never discuss the price of a bottle with my 

friends. In this instance I was with a couple of friends who are vino lovers like myself. So it seemed appropriate to 

let them know it was not an $$$ bottle. The one guy is one of those who thinks expensive means better. I have 

explained many times how inacurate that statement is. So I was sort of proving a point with him. Weak I know, 

but he did cave into the fact that many outstanding wines are less then $15/btl. 

He sends me msg all the time pumping some great deal ex: reg $75 now only $29.99 hurry cause this won't last. I 

usually reply, "well if they could have sold it for $75, they would have". This doesn't make it a good wine or a bad 

one, it is simply an inventory issue & if it sounds like a wine you will like then buy it. But don't just buy it 

because you think you are getting a $75 wine for $30. 

25571 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-11 09:22:21 I have now gone to checking CellarTracker reviews before making any purchasing decisions, and looking to see if 

any of my buddies on there have had it. I read the descriptions not the rating to see if it sounds like something I 

might like. Other than Galloni, there's really no other critic who seems to have a palate that aligns with mine. 




25572 vinmoet 2012-05-11 10:55:20 joeg and NaH: I'm curious about the '03 Pavie. Parker wasn't the only one to like it: 

WS 96 (7/2006): "Dark purple. Shows intense aromas of raisin, coffee and treacle tart. Very, very ripe. Fullbodied, 

superrich and velvety. This is so layered and powerful. Blockbuster. Best after 2008. 7,500 cases made." 

IWC 92+ (6/2006): "Impressive full medium ruby color. Quite locked up on the nose following the February 

bottling; hinted at currant, smoked meat and roasted nuts as it opened in the glass. Extremely powerful but a bit 

chunky today, conveying an impression of extraordinary solidity. One senses but does not taste the minerals and 

primary berry fruit. But this painfully closed wine already offers uncanny sweetness. The major mouthful of 

tannins calls for at least six to eight years of cellaring. A classic extreme 2003 that is currently in a sullen stage. 

This is sure to controversial-at least until it begins to recover from the bottling. My score may prove to be 

conservative, but today it's the dried fruit character that dominates." 

Do you have any tasting notes? 

25574 BrunelloBob 2012-05-11 20:26:10 Working on a 2006 Mas Doix Priorat Salanques, courtesy of the crew at Empire. Glad I'm holding 3 more: 

LONG red fruit, well integrated tannin, nicely balanced acidity. Maybe a touch of cedar. A Really nice wine. May 

keep, but won't get better. Good QPR at the Empire Ship4 price. 90pts. If I were a more reasonable human being, 

I might give it 91 pts. 

x 

Thanks Adam 

25575 NaH 2012-05-11 20:44:19 Sorry Vinny, I didn't take notes. From what I remember of the 2 bottles I've tried, they weren't typical Brdx. Lot 

of heat on the back end- the fruit/oak component was disjointed. 

I'll make you a promise... 

Visit Philly and I'll pop a bottle with you...along with some other well aged Brdx. 

25577 louas 2012-05-11 21:31:42 Just walked in after a fairly stressful Friday and waiting for me was a bottle of decanted 2005 Lamborghini 

Campoleopne. 50-50 Sangiovese -Merlot blend from Umbria. Smooth as silk and de-damn-licious. Happy 

Mother's Day to all! 

25578 joe g 2012-05-11 22:18:28 moet... the wine never came together and was out of balance 




25581 vinmoet 2012-05-12 07:42:55 So while everyone else is whining about whether to buy 09 or 10 or both and maybe just starting to think about 

2011 futures, I'm out there scrappin' and workin' for you worrying about the 2012 vintage. What the heck does 

this early spring/lack of winter mean? Well, I don't know. But, I ran across this and I think its pretty cool (and 

yes, I am linking you to the English version): 

http://www.pichon-lalande.com/en/winter 

25583 ptaylor2112 2012-05-12 13:56:09 I forgot to add that the Les Chanceliers Vouvray is best served on the cool side, which gives the wine a really nice 

bite on the back end. 

@jpakma - it is available at 21st Amendment; they've got 20 or so locations in the Indy area. 

And now, it's back to outdoor weeding. And sneezing. 

25585 BURGHen Boy 2012-05-13 01:47:30 The Great Flydidni 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9xKU8eYCFk&feature=relmfu 

25587 louas 2012-05-13 10:47:38 Thought I'd find a little Ranger Love here this Morning! 

Resalte 2004 Ribera Del Duero, 100% Tempranillo with poblano stuffed chicken breasts last night. 

This wine was a home run loved by all. wish I had a lot more .. $24 WTSO. Recommended. 

25588 TonyO 2012-05-13 11:04:31 Happy Mother's Day to all ! Without you, there is no us ! 

25589 NY Pete 2012-05-13 11:51:02 ranger love??? insert puking emoticom here. 

LETS GO DEVILS! 

25591 mr21cbs 2012-05-13 14:12:03 Happy mothers day! 

25592 jpakma 2012-05-13 14:30:57 @ptaylor I will seek a bottle out this week and report back. @louas the Resalte is a great wine. Hope everyone 

has a Happy Mothers Day. Going to pop a bottle of the Arnot-Roberts Rosé this afternoon. 

25594 BuffaloLou 2012-05-13 20:39:35 Happy Mother's Day to all the mom's out there! 

Just got back this morning from a weekend campout at Letchworth State Park (below Rochester, NY) with the 

Scouts. Great weekend filled with hiking, white water rafting, games (can jam, ultimate frisbee, ultimate football, 

football) good food (including a taco cook-off between the boys) and some glorious weather! 

25595 David T 2012-05-13 21:09:54 @BLou I've been wanting to visit Letchworth for several years ever since I saw pictures MrsDT took when 

camping there with friends. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance yet. I love waterfalls & it looks like there 

are some good ones there. 




25603 john o' 2012-05-14 12:29:56 @VinMoet 

Bought the 2005 Reignac a while back on your reco. At 9 bottles, I cleaned them out. 

Had the first one shortly after receiving it and thought it was OK. Popped and poured and it was a little harsh. 

Yesterday, I ran through an aerator and decanted for 2 hours. A different wine. Marvelous nose. 

keep those tips coming! 

25604 vinmoet 2012-05-14 12:53:17 john 'o: Glad you liked it. While its a wine intended to drink young, its still a fairly tannic vintage and one where 

its best drinking window could be in another few years. These can really change their moods and go in and out 

of drinking windows. Its worth the work to coax them out when they need it. Happy to hear that your efforts 

paid off. I have some 3 liter versions of these that I'll save for parties down the road but I probably won't touch 

them for another 10 years at least. 

25611 BuffaloLou 2012-05-14 18:38:16 @DT - I'll be posting some pix of our trip on FB. The falls are beautiful! 

25616 castello 2012-05-15 03:24:59 @Vinny: Moody wines!? I've had many of those. 10 more years? You've got to be kidding! 

Just had to do a drive by. 

I hope you folks are doing good. 

25623 mr21cbs 2012-05-15 14:20:47 Is this thing on? 

25625 BrunelloBob 2012-05-15 15:58:14 Cheapskate Wednesday tomorrow on WTSO, anyone ever have any luck with those things? 

I find I'm buying less and less from WTSO. Used to like them for 4 packs of daily drinkers, but the deals haven't 

seemed as interesting lately. 

25626 mr21cbs 2012-05-15 16:14:20 BrunelloBob my experience with WTSO lately was limited to Ondarre, Kunde CS or Merlot, a few super tuscans. I 

am in general overbought and will be busy tomorrow, which is good as I don't need any more wine. 

25630 louas 2012-05-16 01:27:53 On a good roll lately. Another terrific wine last night. 2009 Crognolo from Tuscany, courtesy of WTSO @$23. 

Great pairing with my famous pesto linguine. If it shows up tomorrow, I would suggest trying some!! 

25634 john o' 2012-05-16 08:37:44 @louas. coincidentally, I just received a private client offer from JJB for the 2009 Crognolo. $19.50 + shipping 

25635 mr21cbs 2012-05-16 10:05:57 louas, I have enjoyed a few bottles of Crognolo, with only 1 more left. Excellent wine for the money IMHO. Next 

time it shows up, I will definitely grab more. Are you planning to pay attention to the WTSO Cheapskate 

Wednesday today? 

25636 BuffaloLou 2012-05-16 10:08:01 @cbs - I'm with you in the "overbought" status, but I do pick up good buys as they appear. I've changed most of 

my purchasing from 6 packs and cases to 3 or 4. It let's me still buy that deal, yet not kill the budget nor the 

storage issue. 




25637 mr21cbs 2012-05-16 11:26:26 John O' my challenge with JJB is that they don't ship to PA, and shipping and handling would get the price close if 

not above what WTSO is charging. It is definitely good to know that this wine is available elsewhere. 

25638 joe g 2012-05-16 12:25:41 john o. that is a fantastic deal on the crognolo. usually that wine wholesales in the lo to mid $20 range 

25639 john o' 2012-05-16 12:39:13 Along with the Crognolo, I picked up some 2008 Orma for $38 (about 1/2 off). Never tried it, but it has great 

scores and CT reviews. 

25640 joe g 2012-05-16 12:47:52 wow john, another great deal! orma is around $75 here, and worth it imo 

25641 BrunelloBob 2012-05-16 13:47:49 J.O.; Was that Orma a JJBuck deal? PCP? 

25642 john o' 2012-05-16 14:00:18 @ BB 

Yes, both the Crognolo and Orma are JJB's PCP. 

My rep is Charity, if that helps. 

25646 BrunelloBob 2012-05-16 19:04:24 Thanks Australian John! 

25647 wine magnet 2012-05-16 20:46:06 While sitting here waiting for an interesting Cheapskate offering (zero for me so far) and watching the Rays/Red 

Sox, I came across this mesmerizing demo/film clip. Sorry for the long url: 

http://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k16940&pageid=icb.page80863&p 

ageContentId=icb.pagecontent341734&state=maximize&view=view.do&viewParam_name=indep 

th.html#a_icb_pagecontent341734 

25649 BrunelloBob 2012-05-16 21:45:32 All I have to do is start watching the Sawks , and they start losing. 

Life is Hard....TGFW... 

25650 TonyO 2012-05-16 21:50:44 As many of you have already helped me (THANKS !!!!!!!), I need a few more votes: on Facebook "like" Shearer 

Chevrolet, use the link to the Rev Your Ride contest and vote for the SS Camaro with the US of A plate 

(me)...ends tonight at midnight (EST)....Thanks all ! 

25651 mr21cbs 2012-05-16 22:08:21 Wine Magnet, that was very cool. I love physics, although it's been a while since I used it. 


Any time, mate. 

25653 BuffaloLou 2012-05-16 22:40:54 @WM - thanks for sharing the link. Very cool! 

25654 wine magnet 2012-05-16 23:19:53 Last week someone was lamenting the death of their laptop. I just saw this on slickdeals.net: 

Toshiba Satellite L775D-S7340 Laptop: Quad Core A6-3420M 1.4GHz, 17.3" LED (1600x900) Display, 6GB DDR3, 

640GB HDD, HD 6520G, Blu-ray, WiFi N, HDMI, Webcam, 6-Cell Battery, Win 7 Prem 64-Bit $465, with $5 

shipping. It is NOT a refurb. 

It is featured on: 1SaleADay.com 

It's kind of big for carrying, but very tempting as a sometimes moved computer, but I just bought two 15.6" HP s 

for my office. 




25655 louas 2012-05-16 23:56:07 Actually just got home from a very long work day so WTSO has not factored in today at all. 

However, the roll continues (excepting the Rangers): 2008 Twisted Oak Petite Sirah. Woot $17. Ms. Louas had 

the foresight to decant this earlier and it is just delicious. If it shows up somewhere, grab some. But let me 

know first! 101 in the shade today! 

25660 mr21cbs 2012-05-17 08:57:14 Wine Magnet, I am an Intel guy when it comes to processors, but that AMD A6-3420M at 1.4GHz is way too low. 

With the Intel 3rd generation i3/i5/i7 processors hitting the market, older models will be cheaper. DavidT was 

looking for a netbook or a tablet, so this would not necessarily fit his needs, but thanks for sharing. 

What did you get for your office? I need a laptop for my wife... 

25661 louas 2012-05-17 09:21:02 @mr21cbs: I recently bought an HP Pavilion g6 (15" screen) with an i5 processor for <$500 and am very 

satisfied with it. 

25662 louas 2012-05-17 09:22:14 Havens Wine Cellars on WTSO. Discuss. 

25663 BrunelloBob 2012-05-17 09:45:07 "Meritage" aka "leftovers" 

25664 wine magnet 2012-05-17 11:50:50 louas: Re: Havens Wine Cellars on WTSO. Discuss: Disgust! It's a shame that Michael Havens surname is being 

used by interlopers who will likely make us HSC members look like idiots for our Havens passion. 

Speaking of which, thanks to David T's comments a few weeks back, I opened an '06 Havens Syrah with the 2+ 

inch rare Porterhouse. After being open an hour or two, I savored it and shared some with some casual wine 

drinker guests for dinner. They recognized it as something a lot better than the cheap stuff they pick up at the 

PX. There may be hope for their palates yet. 

I need to post some CT notes. I considered it a solid 91. Alas, I have only 3 bottles left. 

I subsequently opened an '05 Havens H Velvet (syrah/cab blend) and was not nearly as happy. I may have been 

generous to consider it an 88, although after a night under Argon, it was more interesting. I guess I should 

decant the next one to see if that helps some of the less pleasant nose subside. Alas, I have 8 of them left, and 

hope is fading for improvement. Time for a low budget party! 

25666 mr21cbs 2012-05-17 14:10:22 If you want 2009 Tenuta Sette Ponti Crognolo Toscana IGT Super Tuscan for $22.99 and free shipping on 4 

bottles, send an email to Julie Blount at WTSO (julie at wtso.com). I asked her about it, they have the wine, she 

accommodated my request and will do the same for you. This is not $19.50 as at JJB, but free shipping makes it 

worth. 

25667 BaroloDude 2012-05-17 15:06:53 That was, mercifully, the MOST uninteresting Cheapskate Wednesday ever. 

Is it me, or are there just a flood of reasonable BdM and Barolo offers floating around right now?!... killing me. 

Resisting nearly all of them, but killing me. 



25668 BrunelloBob 2012-05-17 15:23:07 Dude's like my Beautiful Wife, doesn't listen to a thing I say... :lol: 


The bottom has been falling out of BdM for two years, Barolo more recently. I'm blaming a combination of 1) a 

run of good vintages and 2) poor economys in the US, Italy, the world really . I've got older bottles of Brunello in 

my cellar that I look at the prices and ask :"I paid How Much?"The internet has changed the way I buy as well, 

making it easier to find the "rock bottom price" on Any bottle. 

And, BTW, resistance is Futile. 

25669 BuffaloLou 2012-05-17 16:02:38 Harlan '06, '00, '98, '97, '96, '95 "The Maiden" were just on invino. Sold out within minutes. 

25671 wine magnet 2012-05-17 16:40:59 mr21cbs: I had to wait until I was back at the office to check the laptops I bought in late Nov/early Dec. The 

specs: HP 630 Notebook, Pentium 6200 @ 2.13 GHz, 4GB RAM, WiFi, Windows 7 Home Premium, 298 G Hard 

drive, CD/DVD, and more which means nothing to me. I am not a game player,etc., but these two meet our 

needs for portability and were $299 + FL tax, w/free overnight shipping. (Ordered around 4-4:30pm and they 

arrived via FedEx before 10 the next day), from Tiger Direct, as I recall. Having old eyes which are not adjusting 

well to progressive lenses, a LARGER monitor might help. I have not seen this price again, anywhere. I saw it on 

slickdeals.net and ordered it through their site from the seller, Tiger Direct (?). 

25672 BaroloDude 2012-05-17 18:44:33 BLOU, for how much each? 

25674 BuffaloLou 2012-05-17 23:22:07 @BDude: 

2006 - $120 

2000 - $100 

1998 - $110 

1997 - $210 

1996 - $140 

1995 - $100 

For the high rollers out there, they had: 2000 Marqués de Murrieta Castillo Ygay 

Rioja Gran Reserva Especial, 27 Liter bottle! (That's 3 cases for the mathematically challenged. lol) Only 

$3,999.99 

25676 louas 2012-05-18 00:51:58 @ wine magnet: +1 re: Havens 

@mr21cbs: re: Crognolo. U r the man. Great contact. Thank you. Sadly, summer has arrived here with a 

vengeance. 100+ all next week so shipping is officially suspended until +/- Halloween. 



25679 BrunelloBob 2012-05-18 09:27:08 This place needs more Ludddite... 


Where are you amigo? 

25682 BaroloDude 2012-05-18 12:55:11 for those of you that missed the Leth Roter Veltliner each of the last two times it was on Cindy... i recommend it. 

I enjoyed it a few years ago (when Cindy was young and the forum was on the CW site itself)..and may just grab 

more here with the SuperCindy deal going on right now... check your emails if you don't know re the 10 bottles 

at original cindy prices.... 

25684 Jovino 2012-05-18 14:06:37 @BD - I just checked in to see if anyone had any comments on the super cindy sale. I was hoping someone had 

tried the '07 Leth. I would second the dude and say that the '06 Leth RV was one of the best sub $20 wines I 

have ever had. Add in the totally unique varietal geek factor and it is a no brainer for almost anyone who would 

visit this forum. I have six on their way from the last round. 

As for the Havens discussion, every bottle I drink is bittersweet and the crap that WTSO is pushing only makes it 

worse. 

25687 BuffaloLou 2012-05-18 17:40:06 Some hot licks from Derek Trucks: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clkrASgM8Rc&feature=related 

25692 jpakma 2012-05-18 21:06:49 Not too often I openor drink a 30-YO wine, but tonight seemed as good as any to give it a go and I wasn't 

disappointed. Here's hoping each of you had a great week and have a better weekend. Cheers! 

1982 Château 

d'Issan - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux (5/18/2012) 

30 year old margaux showing sweet red fruit, florals, leather, spice, and some musty barnyard. The wine showed 

incredible balance and finesse with notes of sweet red fruit, cassis, leather, tea, dusty tannins and a finish that 

was very pleasant and long. The acidity seems to be the lifeline to this wine and makes this feel youthful and 

fresh despite slightly fading fruit and tannins. (92 points) 


25693 BrunelloBob 2012-05-18 21:13:20 Just Wondering: How many shares of "Facebook" did the Demigod buy today? 




25694 brooks 2012-05-18 21:16:11 At home this weekend with family, unfortunately missing PhillyOffline. I had a blast blast blast last year. I wish all 

safe travels and a great evening. 

Havens Update: 

Agree 

Yes 

Indeed 

Pather Piss 

2007 Lot 179 was the last great wine by Havens IMHO 

2008 Lot 208 is solid but I sense some liberties from CH 

2008 Lot 213 is just not right shut the front door 

2005 Velvet. H may be in twilight serve on cool side 

2005 Black and Blue outta 1.5 Liter decanted 1 hour is easy like Sunday morning 

2004 Havens B is at its peak drink up, 

Gotta run. In a New York Minute everything can change. 

25696 BuffaloLou 2012-05-18 22:28:31 @BB - none, FB is so yesterday! 

Today is Mrs. BLou's b-day. I popped a delish Gewurtz (her fav white) from Alsace (2006 Domaine Weinbach 

Gewurztraminer Cuvée Laurence). 90BL. Very nice. Love the botrytis notes on the palate. Then popped two 

2004 Azienda Agricola Musella Amarone della Valpolicella Riserva in juice packs. Another hit! 

Scout Alex started a campfire for us on this gorgeous evening. Nothing like sitting around the fire, sipping on a 

nice adult beverage, sharing the evening with family. Yeah... 

Brooks is the Havens demi-god. All bow toward nyc. (TY for the advice, Brooks!) 

25697 BuffaloLou 2012-05-18 22:36:04 A little Tab Benoit doin' Albert doin' Howlin' Wolf: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiWbAbv13eE 

25699 louas 2012-05-19 00:36:54 Enjoyed a Clos de Chaudenay Sancerre with grilled veggies over quinoa tonite. Very nice and crisp. 

Better, however, was/is the Esoterica 2008 Vermelho Forte (65% Tinta Madeira/35% Touriga) with dark 

chocolate. 

25700 louas 2012-05-19 00:42:39 Great stuff! Get a good laugh to start the weekend! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3-2Z2rmG0w 




25702 BrunelloBob 2012-05-19 05:19:28 :?: QOTD: 

Normally when you open a bottle of sparkling wine, the base of the cork expands, almost immediately, well 

beyond the point where it will fit back in the bottle. Last night we had a bottle of champagne, and that didn't 

happen. The base of the cork stayed the same size/shape as a regular cork. It could fit back in the bottle no 

problem Why?? The wine was fine, very good actually. 

Theories? 

1) Quality of the cork? 

2) Age? 1999 Vintage... 

3) Improper (upright?) storage? The bottle was on its side when I bought it, but who knows hx? 

Inquiring minds want to know... 

25703 NaH 2012-05-19 05:56:43 @BB RE: cork 

Could be that the cork was dry since the bottle stood upright. Is that how you stored it? 

25706 luddite 2012-05-19 08:46:53 @B²: Everything is fine thanks! Mostly lurking and getting ready to head north to VA for the summer. One last 

wine club dinner on Tuesday night (Central Italy and Tuscan wines): 

http://thebrentwoodrestaurant.com/Wine-Club-Central%20Italy&Tuscan.html 

Thinking of bringing one of the following: a '05 Lamborghini Campoleone Rosso, or a '07 La Gerla RdM, or the '08 

Le Sughere di Frassinello. So far I've Tried the La Gerla and it tasted more like a sour cherry Pinot to me. What 

say you? 

25707 David T 2012-05-19 09:55:18 About to hit up Philly with WIM & Pats-Pwr :) Looking forward to seeing everyone else in a few short hours! 

@BBob That's an interesting question, I would be interested to know as well 

25710 louas 2012-05-19 14:44:19 @Luddite: Had a bottle of the Lamborghini Last week and it really was drinking well. Delicious wine 

25711 mr21cbs 2012-05-19 15:49:30 Getting ready for the Philly Offline. The wine is picked and packed. See everyone soon and will post pics/videos 

afterwards. 

25718 K is for Kate 2012-05-19 21:46:20 @vinmoet - I am way behind on this board, but thank you so much for the Alice and Jancis interviews! I just had 

a tasting last night with mostly wines that fall somewhere on the "natural" spectrum and quite a few of them 

were really aligning with where my palate is these days. 

25720 McMalbec 2012-05-20 01:40:22 @ a BSA in home fundraiser, enjoyed a 2010 Vietti Moscato d'Asti Cascinetta Vietti with a Cioppino (soup 

course). Both were exceptional. 




25726 vinmoet 2012-05-20 07:53:30 K is for Kate: Good to hear from you. They are both wonderful writers and savvy wine reviewers. Jancis is 

definitely the cat's meow in my book. Alice writes a funny book with a smart edge. 

Post up some of your notes...things sometimes get too quiet around here. 

25727 vinmoet 2012-05-20 08:03:49 Last night I tried the 2009 Chateau Batailley Grand Cru Pauillac. Pauillac is next to Margaux and is arguably one 

of the most prestigious wine appellations in the world. Problem is, that drives up the price. Finding one that is 

affordable is sometimes a challenge. These are generally cab sauv dominated with merlot, maybe cab franc, and 

maybe petit verdot where a Saint Emilion will be more Merlot dominated with the same essential blend. 

According to Wiki this Chateau is planted 70% Cabernet Sauvignon, 25% Merlot, 3% Cabernet Franc and 2% Petit 

Verdot 

This wine, my friends, is tapping on the door of rockstardom. I posted some notes on Cindy which I am putting 

here: 

Wow. This wine sings. Dark cherries, dark and light currants, smooth as silk. Lovely nose, beautiful opening 

flavors full and caressing, but not overpowering. Touch of Graves like smoke. Great mid palate. Sensuous finish. 

Really, really like this wine. And its so young!!!. Decanted 2 hours. Much more complex than the Haut Batailley, 

which is good in its own right. 92++VM. Fine. VM93. 

I paid about $40 which is stealing for this wine. It sells for about $60 now and is still a bargain at that price. Can't 

wait to taste this in 10-15 years. Love to taste it now. Early drinker with the ability to age. Best of all worlds. 

Here are Parker's notes: 


Feb 2012 Robert Parker 94 Drink: 2017 - 2047 $46-$97 (65) 

"The finest Batailley I have had in many years, the dense purple-colored 2009 exhibits a boatload of tannin as 

well as sweet, caramelized, black currant fruit intermixed with hints of charcoal, cedarwood and smoke, a full- 

25728 vinmoet 2012-05-20 08:14:56 Jancis was GV's biggest WLTV guest ever: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dOyxxjG_9g 

25729 vinmoet 2012-05-20 08:20:29 OK, now you've got me going on Jancis again. One of my favorite interviews of all time was her interview of 

Henri Jayer, a small BIG TIME Burgundy maker (OK, I do sometimes drink something other than Bordeaux): 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QzMDgQvcA0 



25732 BuffaloLou 2012-05-20 12:42:07 St. Louis ribs with AFKs rib rub are in the smoker! 


To those that have already tried AFKs rib rub, what did you pair with it: Beer? Wine? Specifics? 

25734 louas 2012-05-20 17:32:47 @BLou: Ribs=Beer! 

25735 BuffaloLou 2012-05-20 21:18:47 Well, dinner is long gone. I chose beer to go with AFKs ribs. The ribs were fantastic! Cooked in the smoker for 5 

hours, they were super tender, moist, and oh so tasty! AFKs rub rocked! I kept trying to think if it was missing 

anything (to give input) but I could not. I did add cayenne, but that's a personal taste that would not be a good 

addition for most. 

@louas - I like the way you think! 

25736 BuffaloLou 2012-05-20 21:30:18 Forgot to mention: the bark that formed from AFKs rub and the smoking was freaking amazing! 

25737 David T 2012-05-20 22:55:01 Just got home; this weekend was great. Good wine and even better people. Looking forward to the next time! 

25738 RedStar 2012-05-20 23:19:55 Hey Vinmoet - have you had the 2000 Batailley (no Haut!)? I have 3 bottles and was considering popping one. If 

its anything like the 2009 sounds like I can't go wrong? Or hold off another few years? 




25740 vinmoet 2012-05-21 09:08:19 Redstar: I tasted it a few years ago...have not tasted it recently. My own guess is that it might still be young and 

benefit from more age. Given that you have three bottles and it is over a decade old, you could try one and hold 

the next for several years, drink it and so on. 

Parker has tasted this wine a number of times. Here are his notes: 


Jun 2010 Robert Parker 88 Drink: 2010 - 2018 $55-$100 

Black currant, licorice, damp earth, moss, and fresh porcini mushroom characteristics emerge from this dark 

plum/ruby-colored Pauillac. It is not as strong, powerful, or deep as more recent vintages of Batailley, with 

noticeable, but not excessive tannin as well as medium body. Drink it over the next 7-8 years. 


Apr 2003 Robert Parker 86 Drink: 2008 - 2020 $55-$100 (22) 

Dark plum/garnet in color, this wine is tight, hard, closed down, and difficult to penetrate. Neither complicated 

nor flashy, it reveals good weight and fine ripeness, but the finish seems abrupt, and the wine largely austere and 

unimpressive. Hopefully, more will emerge with cellaring. Anticipated maturity: 2008-2020. 


Feb 2002 Robert Parker (87-88) Drink: 2008 - 2020 $55-$100 (22) 

Always a tight-fisted, traditionally-styled Pauillac that performs better at ten years of age, the 2000 Batailley 

reveals a dark ruby color along with sweet black currant fruit presented in an uncomplicated, medium-bodied, 

firmly tannic, well-delineated style. Anticipated maturity: 2008-2020. 



This traditionally-styled Pauillac never performs as well young as it does at 10-12 years of age. The deep 

b / l l d d ll ff f l d b h d bl k d 

25741 RedStar 2012-05-21 09:43:40 Thanks Vin - will open one and see how it goes! Picked up 2 cases of 2000 Bordeaux, mostly lower end stuff but 

have been impressed so far. 




25742 BrunelloBob 2012-05-21 09:58:23 Checking in from the Longboat Key Hilton, must be quick, beach day you know! 

@NaH: Dry cork is my best guess. I bought the thing locally, recently, and the bottle was on it's side when I 

bought it. I stored it less than a month that way. I know the retailer stores a lot of their champagne upright. 

Given the vintage, it may have been on the shelf for awhile. 

Ludds: Good to hear from you. I like the Gerla RdM. Not a fan of the Le Sughere (and am down on 2008 Italy in 

general), though it definately has its fans. The Lamborghini I only know by reputation. 

Cheers, surfs up! 

25744 mr21cbs 2012-05-21 12:00:14 Pictures from the Philly Offline 2 can be found here: 

https://plus.google.com/photos/110518603837060989855/albums/5745016049359087393?authkey=CJGJl9WRj 

srVbw 

25745 vinmoet 2012-05-21 12:08:31 Looks like an absolutely fun evening. Jealous. 

25746 BaroloDude 2012-05-21 12:15:10 last night at Boulevard in SF with wife for her birthday, opened a 1982 Sociando Mallet... great bottle of wine. 

Lots of complexity and mushroomy-dirt scents, backed up by a very gentle and easy to drink balance of fruit and 

a tiny bit of acidity still in there. I would say it was likely past its peak (for my palate which wants a tad more 

fruit), but still a great bottle and for the first time i think i get what pre-Parker BOrdeaux was.. 

Vinnymoet... any other "value" 1982s that you would recommend? (I think i bought this bottle about 5 years 

ago at K&L for 90bucks or so) 

25747 vinmoet 2012-05-21 12:22:36 Those kind of prices are gone. As far as QPR kind of '82's that are still out there, well you're paying close to the 

$200 mark. I like Calon Segur (St. Estephe), Montrose (St. Estephe) and Canon (St. Emillion). All still drinking 

nicely and can be had under $200. 

25750 louas 2012-05-21 23:58:04 Hey BLou and the rest of you smokers: Next time you are thinking of smoking a beef brisket, change it up and 

smoke a Corned Beef Brisket. You will not be disappointed. 

Pedroncelli 2009 Dry Creek Valley Merlot from Woot.wine as part of a mixed case for $99. Possibly QPR of the 

year for me. 

25751 BuffaloLou 2012-05-22 00:10:26 @louas - I never considered smoking a corned beef brisket, but after thinking about it for a second, it sounds like 

a great idea! Do you add any additional rub? If nothing else, I'd think some cracked peppercorn would be 

excellent. Perhaps the addition of some ground mustard seed, garlic, juniper berry and a little ground bay leaf. 

25752 BuffaloLou 2012-05-22 00:28:22 @louas - a FB buddy of mine concurred with you about smoking the corned beef brisket. He suggested an apple 

rub. Sounds like a plan! 

25753 NaH 2012-05-22 05:15:37 Hi 




25756 louas 2012-05-22 08:40:12 @Blou: I usually don't add anything besides smoke. 

25760 McMalbec 2012-05-22 12:46:57 Inmates- looking for some advise from our Italien experts. I am serving a 2007 LaGerta DM Rosso with dinner this 

evening. Should I decant it? If so, how long? TIA! 

25761 McMalbec 2012-05-22 12:50:18 Inmates- B-21 has the 2009 Chateau Batailley Grand Cru Pauillac. I splurged and ordered a case for $49.99, 

which included shipping. 

25762 vinmoet 2012-05-22 13:18:31 McMalbec: Think you will be happy. Awfully big time wine for that kind of money. 

25763 AdamEmpire 2012-05-22 13:29:10 McMalbec: Had the 2009 Batailley at the UGC in January and it was one of the stand outs for me. I did not 

manage to source any though. Canon la Gaffeliere, Clerc Milon, and Gloria were among my other favorites. 

25764 vinmoet 2012-05-22 15:39:03 Binny's has it for $50 too: http://www.binnys.com/wine/batailley 

I think you get 5% off on a case. 

25766 BuffaloLou 2012-05-22 18:29:03 Enjoyed a fantastic rare grilled hanger steak with 2006 Thumbprint Cellars Cabernet Sauvignon Schneider 

Vineyard (90BL). 

25767 TonyO 2012-05-22 19:58:02 ??: would smoked corned beef not be pastrami ? I actually had an INCREDIBLE Korean Reuben 

yesterday.......chef/owner smoked his own Pastrami (TWSS), topped with homemade Kimchi and Chili Mayo all 

served from a 1976 Winnebago..............you can check them out on Facebook (Misery Loves Co. is the name of 

the business).....the food in this area just keeps getting better !!! 

25768 BaroloDude 2012-05-22 20:27:47 McM: a LaGerla? (you typed LaGerta, and i googled that and found nothing).... A Brunello or a Rosso Di 

Montalcino? 

if its the ROsso, pop and pour away! The 07 is very drinkable and does develop a little bit more over maybe a 20- 

30 minute period... but quaff away! 

25770 louas 2012-05-22 23:45:11 @TonyO: Different breeds of cat! 

25772 McMalbec 2012-05-23 17:19:18 @BaroloDude: you are correct-my bad- I was at work when I posted and the wines were at home. 

The 2007 La Gerla Rosso Di Montalcino and 2008 Stony Hill Chardonnay were the red and white choices for 

chicken breasts sauteed in dijon mustard sauce. I opened the Rosso at 6:30 and to my taste buds, it did not need 

decanting. Both wines were served 15 minutes later and recieved numerous compliments. 

25773 Hinrgman 2012-05-23 17:31:07 Come on let's go. 21k right around the corner. 

25776 BuffaloLou 2012-05-23 22:08:21 Been quite lately. 21K could be slow coming... 

25777 BuffaloLou 2012-05-23 22:09:00 Unless it has some help... 20,993 

25778 BuffaloLou 2012-05-23 22:09:26 20,994... 







25783 TonyO 2012-05-23 22:11:43 bogart.............. 

25784 BuffaloLou 2012-05-23 22:11:58 I'll leave 21K for someone with a 'real' post. 20,999... 

25785 TonyO 2012-05-23 22:12:08 or not 

25786 BuffaloLou 2012-05-23 22:13:13 LOL! I pulled a TO! ;) 


How's it going tonight, TO? 

25787 TonyO 2012-05-23 22:13:31 had I not reached for one more Dorito............... 

25788 TonyO 2012-05-23 22:14:08 TWSS........ 

25789 TonyO 2012-05-23 22:16:49 oh, it's going ! just received 6 bottles of Sleeper Sav Blanc from Last Bottle.....might have to throw a few "shrimp 

on the barbie" tomorrow night ! Going to be a splendid weekend: great weather, Mrs. TonyO's birthday (5/26) 

and dinner with Mr/Mrs. Karl "White Burgundy" B ............ 

25790 TonyO 2012-05-23 22:25:35 @AFK: rubbed some beef ribs with the AFK rub last night and did a low heat grill..........I was cutting the lawn on 

my tractor and the aromatics were mouth watering! The result was delicious.......our 7 year old said "this is what 

I call eating" ! My buddy John (from I-Que) is going to try it next week and I will forward his thoughts .....thanks 

again.......gonna smoke some locally raised chicken thighs this weekend using some more of the AFK Rubba Dub ! 

25794 BaroloDude 2012-05-24 12:29:51 hey TonyO, pls post your thoughts on that Sleeper SB... might want to let it rest a few weeks though before 

popping.... 

25796 TonyO 2012-05-24 21:22:30 @BaroloDude: I popped one tonight..............weird................tons of pineapple, coconut, and smoke.....a very 

complex wine but one of those that will be VERY polarizing....as it warmed up, I think it got better.......verdict is 

still out but this is a love or hate wine..............the glass still has essence 10 minutes after I finished it ( I switched 

glasses in case anyone was wondering why my glass was empty for 10 minutes....) 

25797 TonyO 2012-05-24 21:26:31 Thought for the Weekend: Driving home tonight with the sun setting over the Adirondack Mountains in my 

rearview mirror and the newly green Green Mountains ahead of me (and some Pearl Jam for my soundtrack) I 

had to say, "man I am glad I am here".............repeat often and spread the love.......... 

25801 BrunelloBob 2012-05-25 20:58:33 Anyone got anything on that freak-show of a Spanish white on Empire Ship4? 

(Egia Enea Txakolina Bizkaiko 2009) The 2008 was a Cindy offer. 

I'm a fan of albarino lately, but this is new to me... 

(And has anyone Ever had a "palate staining" White? Might order it just for That Experience....) 

25802 louas 2012-05-25 22:52:37 @NY Pete: 

1. NY Pete a NJ fan? 

2. Congrats. 

3. Beat L.A. 




25805 Brooks 2012-05-26 10:45:43 Life is like soccer .......... you spend most of your time chasing ....and kicking things for later...but never touching 

the things you desire 

Wine is like soccer.... you spend most of your time chasing deals...kicking yourself for bad calls...but rarely getting 

the perfect score 

Drink wine....avoid soccer....enjoy life. 

I have more wine than I can drink....I have less wine than I want. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA1sx-vyWVk 

25806 luddite 2012-05-26 12:24:55 The good news is that our daughter just got accepted to Cornell Law School to join the class of 2015. The bad 

news is that she doesn't have a rich uncle :( Any volunteers who would be willing to donate $225,000 - and 

before you ask no I don't have that much invested in wine :) 

25807 AdamEmpire 2012-05-26 12:54:26 BrunelloBob - Txakoli is underrated and one of my favorite white varieties. Their crisp acidity make them perfect 

for food and the 2009 vintage produced some fuller bodied examples. The Egia Enea and Itsas Mendi are 

consistent favorites of both mine and the "critics." I will be enjoying some chilled later this afternoon. 

I hope everyone has a fantastic weekend! 

25808 BrunelloBob 2012-05-26 13:33:40 @Ludds: OUTSTANDING! Congratulations to your daughter. If there was ever an excuse to drink something 

Good.... :) :) 

@Brooks: Soccer sucks. :). Life and wine are more variable.... 

@Adam: Thanks! 

25810 brooks 2012-05-26 14:14:42 Prof Luddite. Congrats. 

Uncle Brooks. ;) 

25812 luddite 2012-05-26 18:07:09 @B² and Brooks: Many thanks! Brooks welcome to our family :D 

25813 OttawaB 2012-05-26 18:28:39 A bit earlier someone made a comment about being on an albarino kick. Well, I just tried an Alvarinho (Portugese 

version) ......... 

2010 Adega De Moncao Deu la Deu Alvarinho Vinho Verde . One of the more complex versions of this style of 

wine I have had in a while. 




25814 BuffaloLou 2012-05-26 19:58:45 @Ludds: Congrats to your daughter, and to you and your better half. You must have done something right! 

@Brooks: You are a wise man, sir. 

Great day today... Started with placing flags on Vet's tombstones at a local cemetery with the Scouts, then some 

yard work with Mrs. BLou, Mass, and an awesome dinner, grilled, split, chicken breasts, grilled vegis, then mixed 

(the vegis) with some brown rice. Delish! Now, just popped an '05 Sarah's Vineyard, Syrah, Besson Vineyard. On 

the PnP, it blew me away! Gonna let this open for a few while enjoying a soon-to-come (OK, moments away... ) 

campfire. 

I hope you all have a terrific holiday weekend. 

To all our vets: Thank you for your service, and may God bless you for the freedom you secure. 

Campfire time! 

25816 vinmoet 2012-05-27 07:50:41 Luddite: Congratulations. A great honor, a very big event. 

Am taking off with the family for the crescent city tonight, coming back next weekend. Lots of seafood and, well, 

er, beer ahead of me (still taking a wine bag). May check in, but if so, infrequently. 

Laissez les bons temps rouler! Who dat? Go Saints. Yep, they will think I'm a local (or is that loco?) 

25817 McMalbec 2012-05-27 10:58:23 @ Ludd: Congrats. None of my children have felt the call although my son is a para-legal/consultant. He loves the 

hours compared to mine.Smart kid. 

Speaking of my youngest, he made me a grandparent for the first time and we are spending a long weekend with 

him in Santa Barbara. Since mom is breast feeding, wine has not been an emphasis, but eating lots of great 

seafood! Had sea bass and scallops on the grill last night. Son popped a 2007 CH (287) Cab-Stags Leap which was 

good- not a complement for the fish but it tasted just fine on its own. 

Had an unidentified regional Syrah (a house wine) at cocktails with some of mom's family which was ok. 

A great holiday to you and yours, Inmates. Find some time to remember. 




25818 kommander kaos 2012-05-27 12:47:01 On the eve of Memorial Day 2012, I am humbled with gratitude for those who have made the ultimate sacrifice 

to preserve the freedom that we all cherish. 

I ( and we all ) should not be thanking tomorrow our present day active military, those who serve and have 

served will be in agreement with this statement. Tomorrow is a most somber day honoring only the lost. 

I will toast with the greatest respect to my friends who have given their lives for this great nation with a glass of 

Joe Phelps Cab. 

I will also raise a glass of a tbd CdP as I do every year to my Grand Uncle Vincent, who gave his life on the 

beaches of Normandy and whos remains are buried in the American Cemetery overlooking Omaha Beach where 

he fell. 

It is so very important that all Americans truly understand the nature of this day. 

Oh and yeah... kaos out 

25820 BuffaloLou 2012-05-27 14:35:57 Continuing my 'outdoor work avoidance' by marinating six racks of ribs (sadly no more of that crazy Texan's rib 

rub left... When can I order some, AFK?!), then got them into the smoker along with a couple of corned beef 

roasts. Will follow by preparing a couple of whole chickens for the rotisserie. 

As it is 5:00 somewhere on this beautiful holiday weekend, I started with a cold Golden Monkey Tripel. Best 

domestic Tripel around, esp for the $$! 

Speaking of crazy Texans, my cousin who lives in Houston was walking across the street with some friends in 

Galvaston late last night. An driver that was driving too fast (my guess, was probably DWI, too, but that's my 

speculation... ) hit him as he pushed one of his friends to safety. He's in ICU in an induced coma with head 

injuries and a broken leg. Kind of puts a damper on the holiday... 

@kaos - nice to hear from you. Wise words. Enjoy the JPV Cab! 

25821 Hinrgman 2012-05-27 19:13:02 B² - Belated Happy Birthday 

25822 BrunelloBob 2012-05-27 21:08:34 @HMan: Ummmm, Thanks? 

There's been some monkey business in the past re: my birthdays (Totally my fault and, in my opinion, pretty 

hilarious, though Mott disagrees) so I'm not sure anyone knows when my real birthday is. Nonetheless, 364 days 

out of the year , a belated wish is appreciated! 

Belated happy birthday to all you guys as well! 




25825 BuffaloLou 2012-05-27 23:54:23 B² – If it was, then Belated Happy Birthday to you! So, when is your REAL b-day? 

It was an amazing night of food. The smoked ribs were fantastic; the rotisseried chicken was moist with the 

herbes de provance oh so tasty! Add some sweet corn and grilled asparagus and "wow" what a meal! That was 

five hours ago. The smoked corned beef was JUST taken off the the smoker/cooker after over 11 hours of "low 

and slow" (I'm talking 15 minutes ago... ) ABSOLUTELY FREAKING AMAZING! Still could use an hour or two to 

tenderize, but the flavor is nothing like what I've had before. The sweetness from the smoking; the saltiness of 

the the concentrated corned beef; It's just amazing! Will finish tomorrow. MAJOR KUDOOS TO LOUAS FOR THE 

REC! 

25826 McMalbec 2012-05-28 00:08:00 @ BB every BD is a event to celebrate! Congrats, belated or not. 

@BL -what a feast! The scouts you work with must love campouts that you cook at! 

Day 4 in Santa Barbara. Son arranged yet another great dinner, this evening at the Boathouse and again popped 

a CH, this time a 2009 (282) Rutherford Cab which was very,very good. Also enjoyed a 2010 SB Chardonay. 

25827 BuffaloLou 2012-05-28 00:24:32 @McMalbec - The best part (at Scout campouts) is that I don't cook! The boys get to do the menu, the shopping, 

and the cooking! I just help guide them. There truly is no greater glory than seeing them succeed! 

@McMalbec, Pt II - Sounds like you, too, had a great day! I wish you love and peace. Nothing like sharing life's 

best moments with the ones we cherish most. 

Speaking of... Tonight I spoke with my son, "Scout Alex". We discussed his future over the next 12 to 24 months; 

What he needs to obtain the rank of "Eagle". What he needs to do to become a member of the Order of the 

Arrow (Scouting's "honor society") which he has been elected, but not yet 'paid his dues' to be a member. And 

yes, we discussed the wonderful meal we shared just hours ago. I am so impressed with the maturity of a 13 

year old, yet he is still a boy. I can't wait until his next milestone yet I don't want him to grow up. I want to feel 

his love and the hug that he is still willing to give me. I'm sure many of you have 'been here, done that;" That 

precious moment between still being a boy and growing to become a man. I love him so much, and I can't wait 

to see him mature to become a man, yet I don't want to let go of the wonderful boy that he is. All the books that 

I've read, not one said that this would be the most difficult time... 



25831 luddite 2012-05-28 06:24:11 In Flanders fields the poppies blow 

Between the crosses, row on row, 

That mark our place; and in the sky 

The larks, still bravely singing, fly 

Scarce heard amid the guns below. 


We are the Dead. Short days ago 

We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, 

Loved and were loved, and now we lie 

In Flanders fields. 

Take up our quarrel with the foe: 

To you from failing hands we throw 

The torch; be yours to hold it high. 

If ye break faith with us who die 

We shall not sleep, though poppies grow 

In Flanders fields. 

-- by Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, May 3, 1915 

25836 louas 2012-05-29 00:02:47 @Blou: Kudos accepted!!!!! 

Bachelor weekend for me. The commissioner was in Chicago spending the weekend with her Mom. Poor me 

didn't go 8-). 

Used AFK rub on a grilled turkey breast last nite. That stuff is the bomb! Had Woot wine Reisling called F-Bomb. 

Just OK. Chill it and kill it type wine. 

Tonite treated myself to a prime strip steak with a 2001 Pauillac juice box that was from Last Bottle a couple of 

months back. 

I think this is over the hill. Not much to it. "Bottled exclusively for Chalone by 'Les Domaines Barons de 

Rothschild (Lafite)' " 

25839 BrunelloBob 2012-05-29 10:08:56 Nice that Ludds' post essentially stood alone for Memorial Day. 

Fitting tribute. 

25840 WaitinginManassas 2012-05-29 11:31:05 @louas I've got a couple of those as well. Are you saying they're bad enough to warrant a return, or was this a 

"drink em if you've got em" alert? 

25841 Phredd 2012-05-29 11:47:58 @Luddite: Congrats to your daughter. I hope you find your quarter million to finance the deal. Painful to think 

about, but joyous at the same time. 

25842 McMalbec 2012-05-29 12:08:31 Heading back to the heartland today. Enjoyed a CH- Havens 179 last night. My new grand daughter is asleep in 

my arms right now. i will miss this until our next trip to Santa Barbara. 




25843 BrunelloBob 2012-05-29 12:15:23 How do you type with your grand daughter in your arms ??!?? 

"DON'T DROP THE BABY!!!!" :P 

25844 BrunelloBob 2012-05-29 12:25:16 "BrunelloBob: Killing Himself (and perhaps Only himself) since post #38" :lol: 

25849 louas 2012-05-29 15:31:53 @WIM: I would say drink em if ya got em. 

25853 mcmalbec 2012-05-29 16:24:47 @BB: by the miracle of Dragon Naturally 

Speaking! 

25861 BrunelloBob 2012-05-29 17:49:23 But Dragons EAT Babies!!!! :o 

25863 mr21cbs 2012-05-29 18:51:58 McMalbec, please share your experience with Dragon, as I am starting a proof of concept project to streamline 

and speed up information management via voice. I have the Nuance Naturally Speaking Pro on order. Thanks! 

25865 TonyO 2012-05-29 19:54:19 Had a mini-offline here over the weekend with Mr/Mrs KarlB and another friend that was a Cindy lurker (posts as 

Jack O'Brien on cellartracker, not sure what his Cindy name was)......Great time ! At one point I think there were 

5 empty bottles of Zin on the table (and I was asked repeatedly, "You have any Zin in your cellar" ?). Trying to 

plan another for later in the Summer..........who's up for a trip to VT ???????? 

P.S. Montrose made an appearance on the Ipod at about 1:15 a.m................. 

25868 David T 2012-05-30 02:45:22 Should anyone be interested in my short tasting notes from the Philly offline, I finally got them posted here 


25875 McMalbec 2012-05-30 13:20:26 @mr.cbs: you already know from prior conversations that I am not very knowledgeable about computer issues. 

At the advice of a colleague, I picked up the home version (most basic/least expensive) of Dragon and have been 

using it to answer e-mails and for rough drafts of articles and briefs. Like most programs on my computer, I 

probably use about 15% of what it can do. That said, I am very impressed with the program. I looked at the 

technology about 20 years ago (then the big players were Dragon and IBM) and passed. Just like scanners, the 

accuracy has come a long way. Naturally, there are idiosyncrasies and accuracy relates to the quality of the 

microphone you're using and the conditions you're dictating in. Overall, I'm very pleased. 

25877 BaroloDude 2012-05-30 14:01:02 interesting that the recent wine flash site article on marketwatch.com fails to even mention WL or CW. As i 

thought about that, it struck me that, at first CW seemed to move a lot of wine, lots of sold out offerings. Lately, 

even the "THIS WILL SELL OUT" Paleo offer has YET to sell out, and is still in my shopping cart at the deal price. 

Other offers that are much hyped do not sell out... but i would still think they are moving enough volume overall 

to merit mention in the article. More than Winespies at least... very odd their omission from that article.... 

25879 Hinrgman 2012-05-30 15:46:36 BDude - did you look at the chart that the article is based on? It lists CW as having 100 offers in the 12 month 

period. That would be 2 offers per week. So much for accuracy. 




25881 BrunelloBob 2012-05-30 15:57:35 Interesting article 'Dude. 

Ignoring the market share Cindy lost via a couple notable public relations gaffs, I wonder if their exclusion has 

something to do with a lack of available data. If they aren't publically held and/or soliciting investors, the author 

may not have had much data on Cindy and the Temple to use in the article. 

25884 mr21cbs 2012-05-30 16:20:55 Hinrgman, I am not advocating the accuracy of the information, but that is 100 domestic wine offers in 

the last 12 months. It would be interesting to calculate how many overall offers there were... I suspect around 

500. 

25889 ptaylor2112 2012-05-30 17:54:28 Hi all - 

LBW has the 2007 Domaine Serene Evenstad Reserve for $40, minimum 3. This pinot was on clearance at Binny's 

about 8 months ago for the same price. I didn't keep tasting notes on the 2 bottles I bought, but the 2007 is not 

as full bodied nor fruit forward as many Oregon Pinots (not that that's necessarily a bad thing). 

Took my 80yr old dad to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway yesterday. He did 3 laps around the track with Davey 

Hamilton. They got up to about 180.... My dad said it was "thrilling" and I am pretty sure he has never used that 

word before! 

back to the grindstone... 

25893 Hinrgman 2012-05-30 18:08:38 Mr21 - do the math. 2xday 5xweek x50 wk. that's somewhere around 500. 

25932 Scott W 2012-05-31 15:41:14 Does anyone live here anymore?? 

I am looking to try some good Albarino, does anyone have any experience with the Bodegas As Laxas Albarino on 

Empire?? 

25933 McMalbec 2012-05-31 15:43:46 @Scott: we Inmates are on a institutional break! 

25934 BrunelloBob 2012-05-31 15:50:17 Scott: That Albarino on Empire has some pretty weak CT notes over multiple vintages. You can do better. 

I really like: Pazo de Señorans Albariño Rías Baixas , https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1110533 

If price is an issue, Bodegas La Cana Rías Baixas , https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1172688 is 

good too. 

Last I knew, The Temple had both. 



25935 Scott W 2012-05-31 16:27:15 Thanks BB! 


I will give both of them a try. Looks like K@L has the Pazo de Señorans so I will pick one up from them. 

25936 AdamEmpire 2012-05-31 17:10:29 Scott: The Albarino on the offer is fresh and delicious. If you are interested in the Pazo de Senorans 2010 I have 

that as well for $19.45 per bottle. It is one of the finest Albarinos I have ever tasted. Shoot me an email or give 

me a call if you are interested. Thank you. 

25938 ptaylor2112 2012-05-31 18:00:07 I was mildly disappointed that this website is not about a famous Sweathog. 

http://www.vino-albarino.com/ 

25940 BrunelloBob 2012-05-31 18:45:11 "famous sweathog" NICE! 

25960 luddite 2012-06-01 20:26:24 Copper river salmon with @AFKs rub. Yeah baby! 

25961 BrunelloBob 2012-06-01 20:39:13 And the wine???? 

25962 BuffaloLou 2012-06-01 20:45:58 AFKs rub... Ah, sweet memories... 

25963 luddite 2012-06-01 22:10:56 @B²: http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=483015 

25967 vinmoet 2012-06-01 23:44:38 OK. I've been offline for a while since I was in New Orleans. We actually drove this trip. Saw Graceland with the 

kids on the way down. Now headed back to Illinois. We were to stop near Memphis on the way up but I opted 

to stop in Oxford MS, the home of ole Miss, for the night. What a treat. Very pretty campus, saw the football 

stadium and baseball stadium. Are staying in a hotel on the Square. Ate at a great restaurant. I hate grits. Mrs. 

V ordered shrimp grits. Probably one of the best dishes I've eaten in the U.S. Highly recommend this burg for a 

visit. 

Catch up later. Go Saints. HEY MY QPR IS ANCIENT...CAN'T SOMEONE COME UP WITH SOMETHING??? 

25973 BrunelloBob 2012-06-02 08:06:58 I'm with you on grits, but for some reason they work with shrimp for me too,,, 

25984 BrunelloBob 2012-06-02 15:29:07 Nice looking 2010 Vacq. on WTSO 

25990 BrunelloBob 2012-06-02 19:26:27 I may be talking to myself, but, 

% SAWKS are outta the basement, SAWKS are outta the basement....Doodah, Doodah! % :D 




25992 brooks 2012-06-02 20:47:40 undeclared hattrick....mis-spellings and puctuation issues also singing in wrong key.....but other than that a 

perfect post ;) 

Winos...if you still have 2004 Francesc Sanchez Bas Priorat Montgarnatx in your cellar...I would suggest a sooner 

versus later uncorking. 

Just relaxing at home with a quiet moment...family life has been demanding but 

"Life isn't about waiting for 

the storm to pass...it's about 

learning to dance in the rain" 

- Unknown 

25994 BrunelloBob 2012-06-02 21:29:17 Brooks LIVES! 

I am Not Alone! 

25995 TonyO 2012-06-02 22:01:25 Interesting day: drove to Berlin, NH to take part in a 10 person buyout of the former Balsams Resort wine cellar. 

About 2300 total bottles that we bought in a draft styl;e lottery. A few of my purchase highlights were 2005 Far 

Niente Cab, 2004 Altamura Cab, 2006 Cakebread cab, 2006 Col Solare, 2007 Inniskillin (and about 6 other cases 

of mixed varietals/vintages). Sad to see such a once grand property close but hope the new owners will restore 

it. hard to believe they only paid 2.5 million for 5,500 acres, the Inn, and an 18 hole golf course (and it is the tax 

exempt Dixville Notch, NH known as the first place in the nation to vote). Should be interesting....... 

25997 louas 2012-06-02 22:33:51 2007 Cavalier Bartolomo Barolo from WTSO with marinated grilled flank steak, grilled polenta and grilled 

zucchini. My bad. This baby was drunk WAY before it's time. Pretty good after 3 hour decant with huge tannins. 

Looking forward to drinking this in a few more years. 

@TonyO: I was at a real estate conference a few weeks ago. One of the presentations involved foreclosures. 

The northeast has avoided much of the pain that Florida, Nevada, AZ, Cal, etc have suffered. The bankers expect 

a wave of foreclosures to hit the northeast in the near future. 

Sorry if that stole anyone's peace this weekend. 

25998 BrunelloBob 2012-06-02 23:40:09 WTF IRISHTONY!!!!!, I'm like 4 hrs from the Balsams and you don't TELL ME about stuff like That! 




26000 K is for Kate 2012-06-03 00:04:42 Wow, I have a huge new wine-related crush. I just watched a wine show from the Ukraine with Gaia Gaja (of 

*the* Gaja family) as a guest on it and I am smitten. The blind tasting the host does with her is also *really* 

interesting (I won't spoil it by telling what it turned out to be). And there's a question of the day at the end, so 

I'm sensing a WLTV influence in the show. I only wish more of the episodes were in English. 

Part 1: http://youtu.be/aZ1F9MDWIYU 

and part 2: http://youtu.be/LKCBs9CTBMU 

Rather long, but I could watch her all day. 

26005 louas 2012-06-03 09:10:38 @BLou: Some Foppiano Library wines (96-97-98 Petite Sirah) over on wine.woot. FYI. 

26008 joe g 2012-06-03 11:44:49 thanks for the videos kate.. i watched the blind tasting and have to say that wine what spot on for what it was.. 

as they were tasting it greece was at the top of my list for possible origins... a hall mark of some of the top greek 

reds is they have a 'piedmont profile, but yet dont fulfill all of the criteria to be from that region'.. they pretty 

much said that in their assesment of this wine. gaia was thinking nebbiolo, but questioned whether it could be 

from outside of piedmont 

26010 BuffaloLou 2012-06-03 13:25:52 @louas - wow! Thank you for the heads-up! 

@TO - Nice! 

26011 vinmoet 2012-06-03 14:01:23 K is for Kate: Love the video. Thanks. 

26012 K is for Kate 2012-06-03 14:52:07 @joe g - Interesting that you back up the comparison of Greece and the Piedmont region. I've thus far only 

tasted one example of a Greek red, which was the varietal tasted blind, and I've also only tried one Barbaresco 

thus far (both of these wines happened to be 2007, so much younger than the wines in the video), so I'm in no 

place to make comparisons, but both were definitely the types of wines I would like to explore further. I 

unfortunately have quite a while to go before any of the Nebbiolo in my cellar hits even 10 years old. 

26013 TonyO 2012-06-03 14:52:20 @BB: I found out at the last minute on this............basically the old food and beverage director at the Balsams 

bought the entire inventory and offered 10 shares. He now works with a friend of mine and we split a share 

...........sad to see the place go, it was one of a kind ! If I hear of any other events in New England, I will let you 

know ! 

Heading to Albany, NY for the funeral of my Father's best friend. A remarkable father, friend, engineer, husband, 

and Vietnam Veteran.............the world has lost one of it's best ....... 

26014 BrunelloBob 2012-06-03 15:13:38 T.O.: Don't sweat it. Condolences to you, your father, and his friend's family. 




26018 kommander kaos 2012-06-03 16:33:38 Condolences go out to your family friend Tony. It is truly a shame when we lose a good friends. I offer my prayers. 

26020 BuffaloLou 2012-06-03 18:55:48 @TO - sorry to hear; best wishes and prayers to you, your father, and your father's friend's family. 

26023 luddite 2012-06-03 19:44:48 @TonyO: Best friends are exactly that - one of a kind! Thoughts and prayers to your father and his friend's 

family. 

26024 McMalbec 2012-06-03 21:47:47 @TO: great that you can be there to support your dad. 

26026 McMalbec 2012-06-03 22:04:16 @ BD: any thoughts on this Barolo up on the Wine Chateau site -Michele Chiarlo Barolo Tortoniano 2006? 

Appears to be a better "DEAL" only if you pick up a case for free shipping. 

26038 mr21cbs 2012-06-04 11:24:40 Thank you to WiM, Luddite, TonyO, Louas, AFK and Family, and SS Chris for your generous donation to the 

American Diabetes Association. My boys and I rode past Saturday in the Tour de Cure. We did 64 and 68 miles 

(one of my sons and I took a wrong turn and by the time we realized that and found our way back it added 4 

miles to our journey). It was kids' personal longest ride and we couldn't have found a better cause and to 

represent the best people - ALL OF YOU! 

Here are a few pictures at 25mi, finish, and 30 seconds after we got into the car: 

https://plus.google.com/photos/110518603837060989855/albums/5750198673712873953?authkey=CLr2w_3o 

qd6uQw 

26040 BaroloDude 2012-06-04 13:07:52 Breaking news, from my inarticulate palate... last year, many 07 Baroli were tasting so accessible and smooth 

upon release i was a very happy man... i just re-tasted three 07s (Marcarini La Serra, Einaudi Terlo, Coterno 

Fantino VdG) and found them all LESS accessible, less tasty, than they were upon release last year. Too much 

sour tart cherries and more acidic now than before. Fascinating, in just 9 months... Just a phase, according to 

the importer that was pouring... 

I also tasted the 08 of each of these wines, and i think there is more long term promise in 08s than 07s... more 

"stuff" all around, but will need more time to come together, so to speak. 07s will probably get back on course 

within next 5-10 years and be great... but i would hold 08s longer... i find just about any Barolo needs approx. 10 

yrs to really START to be ready to open, and i was hoping 07s might provide a shorter window there, but maybe 

not. 

BTW, the Marcarini is a great value... but the Einaudi basic bottling Terlo is tops from that tasting for me. 

To me...Marcarini tastes more old school/traditional styled, CFantino is more new style (more barrique/oak and 

resulting stronger vanilla hints), and Einaudi is the tweener... 

Note: The above reflects the opinions of Bdude only and contains gross generalizations of two Barolo vintages 




26041 luddite 2012-06-04 13:09:50 @mr21cbs: Congratulations to you and to your sons on their longest ride and for supporting a great cause! 

26042 BaroloDude 2012-06-04 13:10:23 @McM: I have never tasted that M Chiarlo bottling of Barolo. I have not been overly impressed with any others 

i have tasted from that maker either. Sorry i cannot add more. 

26043 louas 2012-06-04 13:16:58 @mr21cbs: Nothing like an immediate nap after a long ride! great photos. 

@BaroloDude: As one inarticulate palate to another: Based solely on my Friday nite 2007 Cavalier Bartolomo 

Barolo, I would agree with your assessment of the 2007 vintage. I will say, however, that the last glass, which 

had been in the decanter about 4 hours was pretty balanced and delicious. 

26044 BaroloDude 2012-06-04 13:28:51 hey Ludds... Cal playing at Buckeyes on SEP 15th... prepare to crush the Bears. We will stink this year. :-( 

26046 wine magnet 2012-06-04 14:56:57 Michael: Thanks for the great photos of you and your fine looking twins, and congrats to all for completing such a 

ride! Now you might start thinking about participating in one of the European bike tours offered by 

bikesherpa.com and numerous other tour companies. You might even be able to take your boys on a tour of 

your homeland. For a tour closer to home, I have heard great things about the biking/hospitality on Prince 

Edward Island, where numerous residents invite small family groups to eat/spend the night. 

26047 mr21cbs 2012-06-04 15:12:13 Thank you, Everyone, for the kind words. 

Wine Magnet, that's a great idea. Perhaps next year as this summer is getting pretty full with all of the 

swimming, biking and triathlon events. Plus I would want them to be a bit more mature and appreciate the 

scenery. 

26050 wine magnet 2012-06-04 17:04:37 Perhaps I missed earlier news about Lot 18, a site a number of us were high on less than 2 years ago, but I just 

saw this: 

http://www.businessinsider.com/layoffs-at-lot18-2012- 

6?nr_email_referer=1&utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Business%20In 

sider%20Select&utm_campaign=Business%20Insider%20Select%202012-06-04 

I have not seen anything especially exciting from them for perhaps a year, so they may have run out of sources 

for the early good deals (supplemented by credits, etc.). I hope lastbottle.com sticks around, as they have come 

up with some pretty astounding deals, IMHO. 

26051 McMalbec 2012-06-04 17:22:08 @BD thanks for your thoughts. Chateau has another one up today at 34.97, free shipping on 6. 2007 Fontana 

Fredda Barolo di Serralunga. Familiar with this one? 




26053 BaroloDude 2012-06-04 17:47:57 Yep, but not had the 07... i have not been a big fan of this maker's Serralunga basic offering...but likely because i 

have not had an aged bottle... Serralunga Barolo tends to be a bit harsher when young than Barolos from other 

communes, i don't know exactly why... I haven't had many "higher end Serralungas" (from Lazzarito vineyard for 

example) to figure out if its something about the soil or microclimate of the whole Serralunga area or just where 

FontanaFredda sources its basic Barolo grapes... I do like one or two La Serras... but thats not enough data to 

say 

if you have the patience why not try a bottle... KLwines.com search for comments on it (check box for out of 

stock items)... (or cellartracker fo course).... but you will need to likely sit on it for years... decanting for hours 

just doesn't do it for me to compensate... 

Maybe Joe G can help here? 

26054 louas 2012-06-04 18:07:47 Interesting 2008 Barolo on Garagiste. Juice boxes and Magnums only. 

26055 redstar 2012-06-04 18:52:12 I've had the 2001 and 2003 Fontanafredda Serralunga. Its a decent base bottling - I didn't feel that it was one 

that was built for the long haul. Drinking at age 10 seemed about right. Cindy has had at least the 03' before @ 

$30 if I remember correctly. 07' should also be a bit earlier drinking than usual although I have only had a 

handful. 

26056 BaroloDude 2012-06-04 18:58:09 @louas... that is GREAT barolo... but you HAVE TO age it. Do not commit vin-fanticide with that. 

26057 mr21cbs 2012-06-04 19:10:39 Wine Magnet, I have not had great success with Lot18, and much like you have not bought anything from them 

for a long time. They do not ship to my state, many wines are unknown and lack reviews, those that I had had 

were OK but not worth the money. As far as the credits were concerned, those artificial discounts could not last 

long and at some point it had to blow up. 

I do hope that lastbottlewine.com will succeed and stay in business, as they are getting some of my business, 

although much less as of late due to the summer heat, overstocked cellar and lack of funds. 

26060 TonyO 2012-06-04 20:13:43 back from Albany.........nothing more moving than an Irish funeral except for also hearing "Taps" and watching a 

loving wife of 44 years receive the American Flag as tribute and honor to her husband.............these are the 

moments that show us how truly grand the gift of life is and how fleeting it can be ........make the most of it, I 

know I am......................thanks for the kind words Inmates...............time to raise a glass to a man many are better 

for having known............ 




26072 john o' 2012-06-05 11:05:25 Was reading an e-mail from Wine Exchange and they referenced the variation of Wine Advocate scores for the 

2008 Conn Valley Eloge. Since I bought some, it got my attention. Parker initially rated it 96 – 98 (I assume 

barrel). Galloni then rated it 91 (I assume bottle). That got me curious as to how some of the retailers I frequent 

report the scores: 

Winex shows it as 91 (no mention of the earlier Parker score). 

Wine Library shows it as 91 (no mention of the earlier Parker score). 

JJB shows no rating at all. 

Empire shows only the 96 – 98 Parker score. 

26073 AdamEmpire 2012-06-05 13:00:24 John o' - Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Will update site. 

26076 joe g 2012-06-05 21:42:50 barolodude.. not a big fan of fontannafredda wines.. the big difference in vineyards that you are talking about 

has some to do with microclimates, but mostly soil composition... on the western side where the la morra and 

barolo proper vineyards are there is a denser, more fertile substrate reffered to as tortonian soils.. the eastern 

side made up of serralunga, castiglione falleto and monforte are very non-fertile matrixes known as helvetian 

soil... this leads to the left side being more feminine and floral where many of the wines from the helvetian soils 

are more masculine, tannic, and need more time in bottle 

26079 AdamEmpire 2012-06-06 09:09:45 Pazo de Senorans 2010 Albarino we talked about last week now available at Empirewine.com/4free 

26081 john o' 2012-06-06 10:30:07 JJB 2005 Reignac for $16. Outstanding deal. 

26082 BrunelloBob 2012-06-06 11:33:12 53 cents cheaper than The Temple, I'm easily bought. 

Thanks Adam, Great Albarino. 

26084 luddite 2012-06-06 13:39:15 JJB PCP on the '05 Reignac is even lower! 

26085 vinmoet 2012-06-06 13:48:03 JohnO: Agreed. The JJ Buckley deal is outstanding. Big thumbs up QPR. 

26086 john o' 2012-06-06 13:48:47 @Ludds 

yep, got the lower price on my 2 cases. Both prices are outstanding. 

This is a wine that our resident French oenophile recommended from somewhere (name escapes me) when it 

was about $25. 

26087 mr21cbs 2012-06-06 14:05:15 Joe G or BaroloDude: 2004 - Serradenari Barolo for $26- thumbs up or down? 

26088 BaroloDude 2012-06-06 14:13:17 @joe G... mille grazie! 

26091 luddite 2012-06-06 15:55:14 @john 'o: Congrats on your 2 cases! Did you go for the original wooden cases? The TH archive indicates that 

you cleaned out the last 9 bottles from Suburban Wines @ $22 much to the dismay of @Knurd :D 

26092 john o' 2012-06-06 16:05:12 @Ludds - No, didn't know OWC was an option. 

@Knurd - sorry for bogarting the original offer. 

26102 joe g 2012-06-07 10:34:12 cbs... never heard of that producer but if you can get one why not try it? even if it is solid, yet unspectacular, it is 

a great value for the region 




26107 mr21cbs 2012-06-07 13:30:00 Joe G, thanks. I wanted to know whether to get 1-2 or look for more. Usually what is discounted that heavily, 

there is a reason, so it was worth asking. 

~ 

On a separate note, any thoughts on the EmpireShip4: Falesco 'Marciliano' Cabernet Blend IGT 2005, $24? 

26108 john o' 2012-06-07 13:42:14 @cbs - The Empire deal looks really good. Next lowest price on Cellar Tracker is about $40. This was a Garagiste 

deal at one time and Jon's letter is on CT. 

I'm in w/ a mini vertical with the 2007 WL has been pushing. 

26109 mr21cbs 2012-06-07 14:03:22 John O', I went in on the 2005 Falesco ‘Marciliano’, thanks for the nudge! 

26113 McMalbec 2012-06-07 17:16:08 @BD and other Barolo lovers: recieved an email from K&L offering 2000-2007 Aldo Conterno Barolos at 

various prices. Are favorites here that I shold consider? 

26115 johnR 2012-06-07 18:40:02 @McMalbec....both grand bussias 

26116 TonyO 2012-06-07 19:36:18 Just received a pair of tickets for Roger Waters performance of The Wall in Albany , NY ! Can't wait to check that 

out...................... 

26117 TonyO 2012-06-07 19:41:32 What a great %&^*& voice......................... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVlWYxIR3JY&feature=related 

26118 TonyO 2012-06-07 21:50:21 2007 Bogle Phantom.............decent at best 

26120 BuffaloLou 2012-06-07 23:28:26 @TO - Hmmm... The Phantom went over well on the forum. Can't say that I've tried it, so I don't know. I have 

had Bogle's Petite Sirah years ago. It was a fruit bomb, simple and one dimensional, but at the time it was only 

$9.99/bottle when purchased by the case, so it wasn't a terrible deal. 


2006 Buty Columbia 

Rediviva Phinny Hill Vineyard - USA, Washington, Columbia Valley, Horse Heaven Hills (6/7/2012) 

Delicious wine! Spices and cherries on the nose with a hint of black jack pipe tobacco. Also some 'cherry cordials' 

on the nose. More cherries and pipe tobacco on the palate. Nice acidity. Drinking beautifully now, but should age 

well, too. 

This was a killer deal on Lot 18 a year ago. After voucher discounts, it was about $19/bottle! Killer QPR! (92 

points) 





26131 mr21cbs 2012-06-08 12:11:20 Planning a trip to Niagara Falls June 21-24. BuffaloLou, Joe G, et al any recommendations on local places to see, 

eat, drink? Coming with relatively well behaving kids, however if you would like to get together do let me know. 

Our schedule is pretty flexible and this will be a get away from work, school, practices, etc. weekend. Thanks! 

26136 BaroloDude 2012-06-08 19:58:58 definitely the Gran Bussias... per JohnR recommendation... buy quality not quantity here. these are special 

occasion Barolos from AC.\ 

26146 Julius 2012-06-09 12:50:12 I think the Cicalas and Colonnellos are buys. I did. 

26153 louas 2012-06-10 00:15:49 Pizza nite on the pizzafied weber grill tonite. Maybe later this weekend Mr21cbs will post the foto I sent him of 

the Chorizo and egg pizza we made. Ridiculously delicious. 

Two terrific wines tonite: 200o Caravina from the temple I think $20. Big berries right on the pnp. Just got 

better and better. 

Also from garagiste, a 2007 Beresan CS from Walla Walla Valley. $17. Big bold and beautiful. In a couple of years 

this will be spectacular. 

Lebron vs. the Durantula: Any predictions? 

26161 McMalbec 2012-06-10 12:06:23 For you Midwest graybeards, spent an enjoyable evening last night with REO Speedwagon. Like many 70s bands, 

their concerts have a family reunion feel to them. They are heading east, Inmates, with a concert in Columbus 

Ohio and Mets stadium coming up shortly. 

26162 BrunelloBob 2012-06-10 12:25:56 McMalbec: Dubuque, IA? 

I was just there Tues-Thursday...Whole town was all excited about the pending concert... 

26163 McMalbec 2012-06-10 13:02:50 @BB: Yes, in the Crescent City! We live about an hour and ahalf west so it was an easy drive last night. 

26168 McMalbec 2012-06-10 21:58:24 @ BB: In the Days of their Youth, Riding the Storm Out: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=717xSGLnLWc 

26170 David T 2012-06-10 22:45:45 No kidding, I just drove through Dubuque yesterday afternoon heading back from visiting family in WI/MN the 

past few days. Had we planned the timing a bit better we could have a friggin' Iowa TH offline :p What are the 

odds three inmates would have escaped to the same middle of nowhere midwest town in the same week?!? 

26173 BrunelloBob 2012-06-11 06:14:55 Philadelphia's got nothin' on Dubuque IA :lol: 

26175 vinmoet 2012-06-11 11:42:43 So, what's your favorite QPR off of this list? 

http://flickingerwines.com/offerinventory.asp?offer=1382 

26176 NaH 2012-06-11 13:56:28 BB 

Them's are FIGHTIN' WORDS! Hahaha 

26177 BrunelloBob 2012-06-11 14:59:13 Meet me in Dubuque and say that! :lol: 




26178 TonyO 2012-06-11 17:03:03 REO is playing Met's Stadium ? Good God, who else is on that bill ??? 

26183 McMalbec 2012-06-11 18:33:54 @TO: I neglected to ask Kevin but will let you know. 

Opening group in Dubuque was Starship, the band. I was pleasantly surprised. 

26198 TonyO 2012-06-11 22:41:45 REO and Starship............you are going to give BaroloDude nightmares !!!!! 

26213 BaroloDude 2012-06-12 08:43:35 i am ill. Put Journey and foreigner in there just to complete the BANDS FROM HELL -apalooza. 

McM...there may not be any hope for you ;-) You better open some good wine fast to get the taste of WE 

BUILT THIS CITY out of your mouth. 

I hate that band and that song and i am an SF native. 

Maybe REO is playing shortstop... 

Hoping to find some interesting Portuguese wines here in Lisbon all week. 

26215 BrunelloBob 2012-06-12 10:27:24 I heard REO SpeedWagon is playing in Lisbon this week..... 

Coincidence?..... 

hmmmmmmmmmm......... 

26219 mr21cbs 2012-06-12 15:50:25 Congratulations to the LA Kings, I guess the traded Flyers were not as bad as we were let to believe. Good for 

them. 

~ 

Where is everybody? I understand that NY Pete and the rest of the NJ Devils fans are grieving the @$$ kicking by 

the LA Kings, but the rest of the asylum should be alive... 



26220 Celia 2012-06-12 16:09:13 Hi THWTC members, 

Celia/Andrew Will Winery 

26221 BrunelloBob 2012-06-12 16:12:35 Everyone's in Dubuque... 

26222 BaroloDude 2012-06-12 16:14:48 before i left on the trip... 


Andrew Will Winery is happy to offer you our 2009 Annie Camarda Syrah. 

This wine is $30 per bottle and we are giving THWTC members FREE 

SHIPPING. 

As one of Washington's top producers, we are known for our Bordeaux 

style blends but we made 91 cases of this 100% Syrah from the Champoux 

Vineyard in the Horse Heaven Hills. The wine is named to honor AW 

winemaker Chris Camarda's late wife Annie. Like Annie, the wine is 

earthy, floral and lovely. Although not 6'4" it comes close. 

You can go to our website andrewwill.com and in the ORDER page, 

enter the code th to receive FREE SHIPPING. We will have this up for 24 hours. 

As a new tasting group member, I look forward to joining the 

discussion about rock n roll, wine and everything in between. 

2004 Talenti BdM is tasting mighty fine right now... elegant, all sorts of the right aromas and palate, but not a 

monster, just right...and probably could even wait a lot longer in bottle before opening, but i had to have one. 

Wish i had bought more. 

BBob, you busted me. I am a backstage tech for REO SPudwagon. I can tune a piano but i can't tuna fish. 

I see the Paleo 07 is still in stock in the 200wine sale... i guess when they said "THIS ONE WILL SELL OUT" a 

month or so ago, they were just kidding. 




26223 mr21cbs 2012-06-12 16:21:10 Hi Celia, welcome to TH. 

~ 

Your post and the image of your wine can be seen here: http://www.tremblinghillswinetasters.com/couponsand-codes 

26224 BrunelloBob 2012-06-12 16:22:44 Talenti: One of the best but yeah, you should have waited another 5 years. 

I had a 1995 Talenti 4-5 years ago that was one of the best Brunello I've ever had. 

("tuna fish" NICE!) 

26226 TonyO 2012-06-12 16:38:07 If there is music in Hell it would be: Flock of Seagulls, Haircut 100, Kaja Goo Goo (spelled wrong and damn proud I 

do not know the proper spelling of that horrific "band"), and possibly a surprise entry, Supertramp...............Oh 

Lucifer, Prince of Darkness, please take my hearing now...................and while your are at , is there anything 

being poured here besides this horrific ______________________ (you kow, that infamous "mountain grown" 

syrah from Italy....... 

P.S. Great response BaroloDude ! 

26227 vinmoet 2012-06-12 17:37:21 OK, I grew up in the birth place of REO. I've been to many an REO concert. Just don't think I could do it again. 

Guess I'm in that old man into jazz mode and am not looking back. Plus, don't think I could handle listening to an 

elderly version of what I remember from my youth. Come to think of it, at age 19 I hit a metal band wall and 

really never looked back. 

In small amounts, I don't mind reliving the early 80's British pop bands including Haircut 100 (Love Plus One, Boy 

Meets Girl, Nobody's Fool & Fantastic Day), Kajagoogoo (write as one word), and Flock of Seagulls. But 

again, only in small amounts. Studio pop has a limited place in my heart. 

Remember Bow Wow Wow? I danced with the lead singer when they played a college bar. I did not know it, but 

she was under 18 at the time. She was so energetic that she danced with us between sets. I saw Berlin, The 

Pretenders, B-52's (with their first album), Oingo Boingo, The Cars, Talking Heads, The Romantics, Devo and a 

bunch of smaller bands. Great period for music and a blast being young and out and about. 

Now, give me a bottle of great wine or a Dixie Beer and some Dixieland jazz and I'm happy. 



26228 BrunelloBob 2012-06-12 18:18:36 Am I an Idiot (OK, Yes, but you know what I mean). 

I'm not seeing the Annie Camarda Syrah on the website. Sold out? 


And NAH, WTF is the deal with the non-existent CT tasting note? Lazy pigeater... 

And T.O.: I kid you not: I saw "Washington Syrah", and my first thought was "another cold climate Les Cretes..." 

:lol: 

26229 TonyO 2012-06-12 18:43:38 @Vinmoet: Do I remember Bow Wow Wow ? Well, I actually had Annabelle and band (I believe that is here 

name or close to it) on the "Hell" list and replaced them with Flock ! 

@BB: Love it ! 

I sadly admit to having witnessed REO live twice.....once at SPAC (Saratoga) with a near record crowd of 32,000 

(must have been around the Hi-Indelity era) and again at the local fair...........my daughter, about 8 at the time 

kept asking if Kevin Cronin was a girl because he "sings like a girl"......yikes 

26231 NaH 2012-06-12 21:50:08 @BBob. Sorry for the CT score only. I usually enter a score then go back and write the tasting notes due to 

limited time. 

As for the wine offer from Andrew Will. You have to join the mailing list. You'll get a user name and password 

very fast. Go to the ORDER section. Sign in and use TH as the offer code, it works. 

I recently visited Seattle. Actually, last week. Met Celia when I went to check out Andrew Will winery. She was a 

most gracious host, showing me the winery, serving me barrel samples of the 2011 vintage. Even opening 3 

bottles of wine and providing lunch inside the owners home. 

I told her how I'm not a fan of joining wineries clubs since they offer perks I will never use- like VIP tasting parties 

at the winery, etc. I would rather get FREE SHIPPING and/ or discounted pricing. She liked the idea. I told her to 

try the offer here on TH. 

The wine is a beautiful Syrah from 2009, a great vintage. The nose is floral with that brambly blackberry aroma. In 

the mouth it has great acidity, silky tannins with just a bit of bite. Blackberry, plum and a bit of roasted meat lead 

to a great ending. 

I hope Celia/Andrew Will winery offer more deals for us. My hope is that many more follow their lead and post 




26232 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-12 22:22:38 @Celia ~ Welcome to The Hills .......... rules......no sharp pointy objects.......slip on shoes only..........see Nurse 

Ratchet for daily meds! 

Wonderful things come from Horse Heaven Hills!! 

Wine selection looks great...........title selection on 'Bill to' page is one of the best I've seen.......Ambassador, 

Captain, Chef, Dr., Dr. and Mrs., Hon, Mr., Mr. and Mrs., Mr., Ms, The Honorable.............might I suggest a few 

more?..........Sir, Kommander, Chief, Foot Model, Nurse,...etc. 

The wine sounds great.....thanks for the offer! 

26239 BrunelloBob 2012-06-13 06:20:45 Now THAT'S a tadting note. Thanks "Ambassador". 

And thanks Celia for the offer! 

26243 WaitinginManassas 2012-06-13 11:35:57 I met Celia when she came to NoVA for a tasting of Andrew Will wines at my LWS. We got into quite a 

conversation about social media and how it could be helpful to small wineries to get the word out. She also made 

the same offer to my FB Winos group, and I bought 3 bottles. Did anyone here go for the deal? These are the sort 

of opportunities we hoped to be able to get and take advantage of. If they do well, hopefully we'll see more of 

them. 

26244 Phredd 2012-06-13 11:43:30 Guess I was too slow on Andrew Will. I get the message: "We're sorry, but there aren't any offers available for 

purchase at this time. ..." Probably all for the best, if somewhat disappointing. I guess I need to keep up to date 

here in the Hills. 

26247 NaH 2012-06-13 12:14:13 @Phredd 

I'll contact Celia to let her know that it's not avail. I just tried to log on and it gave me the same message. 

I did send her an email to extend the sale to 48 or 72 hours, the reason being just what you said, many don't 

check the boards everyday. 

Jim 

26248 Celia 2012-06-13 12:28:25 Hi Guys, 

I extended the Andrew Will 2009 Annie Camarda Syrah offer so you should be good to go. Sorry for the 

premature closing. Order away. 

The Right Honorable, Celia 



26249 vinmoet 2012-06-13 13:08:50 Thank you Celia! 


Hey guys, GV is hawking Airtime acknowledging he's an investor. Have trouble getting what it does and 

connecting that to what anyone needs. Saw this piece: 

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-05/tech/tech_innovation_airtime-failure_1_video-chat-chatroulette-oliviamunn?_s=PM:TECH 

Anyone familiar with this and can add insight? 

26250 Phredd 2012-06-13 13:14:33 Awesome, Celia, thanks. Order placed. Looking forward to finally giving Andrew Will a try. I appreciate the extra 

effort. 

26251 Scott W 2012-06-13 13:45:49 Thank you Celia and NaH for setting this up, also excited to try Andrew Will's wines for the first time. 

@BB finally picked up my Pazo de Señorans Albariño from K@L wife and I loved it! Thanks 

Now if Empire would repeat that deal I will be all in for summer :) 

26253 mr21cbs 2012-06-13 13:58:40 Unfortunately I am out of luck as Andrew Will does not ship to PA. 

26254 BrunelloBob 2012-06-13 14:14:40 Careful Julius: joeg gets all excited about QPR recs that score 86 points on CellarTracker... 

x 

@Scott: Glad you liked it. 2010 or 2011 vintage? I haven't had the 2011 yet, but I think it's out. 

26256 WaitinginManassas 2012-06-13 14:27:41 mr21cbs- Call and talk to Wendy. My order hasn't shipped yet, make sure you have yours shipped to me with my 

order. 

26257 Phredd 2012-06-13 14:33:44 Enabler Sheila is on call...for which we all thank you, of course! 

26258 WaitinginManassas 2012-06-13 14:35:42 Have wine, will deliver! You should know- right, Adam? ;-) 

26259 Scott W 2012-06-13 15:19:48 @BB it was the 2010 it had a lot going on compared to the Albariño's I have had. 



26260 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-13 15:25:55 The Vashon ferry’s down today, 

Doo-da, Doo-da 

The islands wine is good they say, 

Oh, de doo-da day 


Goin' to swim all night 

Goin' to swim all day 

I bet my money on a Champoux Syrah, 

But shipping I won’t pay. 

Caught me a ride on a Orca’s tail, 

Doo-da, doo-da 

Andrew Will had a one day sale. 


Goin' to swim all night 

Goin' to swim all day 

I bet my money on a Champoux Syrah, 

But shipping I won’t pay. 

Celia joined the Trembling Hills with offers up her sleeves, 

Doo-da, doo-da 

Saved a long swim in Puget Sound to save on shipping fees. 


Don’t have to swim all night 

Don’t have to swim all day 

h h 

26261 NaH 2012-06-13 15:43:37 @AFK. BRILLIANT 

@MR21CBS. They don't ship to PA, but they will ship to ME. I will provide you with my address if interested 

26262 mr21cbs 2012-06-13 15:52:22 NaH and WiM thank you for your offers. We are all set with the 2009 Annie Camarda Syrah and my bottles will be 

shipped when the weather gets cooler. 




26264 brooks 2012-06-13 19:42:43 Drinking wine with Celia out on my front porch 

When I got back to drink A Frayed Knot had taken my place 

Celia you are bringing it from the start.... 

You're giving us shipping fairly 

.....wait I am not AFK just a hack ... "Brooks is a Hack" B squared circa 2011 

Sweet tune...AFK...I hope all is well with new initiatives 

tell me where do the winos play....hey hey hey 

on Amtrack trying to use up all the bandwith ... I am miles from somewhere... 

Still sorting out the obligations I need to sort out... it will take some time oh yeah 

Rarely get to enjoy wine as I may need to drive on short notice... 

Call Ripleys UBC did it!!!! 

He got a speedy ticket last year May ......he presents an arguement in court it was a one time lapse of 

judgement..; ) ..Asks the court if he does not get another violation....at fault accident and gets justs As and Bs for 

one year in college would the court drop the charges... 

The official asks me...what was UBCs GPA last semester of senior year...2.0.... B C C C D ... like the Cubs winning 5 

world series in a row. 

My business partner is getting married this saturday at 40 and heading to Napa for Honeymoon....some guys 

26265 BrunelloBob 2012-06-13 20:43:58 You're still a "hack" Brooksie, but we love ya! 

26266 NaH 2012-06-13 20:44:35 BROOKS How is life going? We missed you at the Philly Offline!! Hope all is well 

26268 Celia 2012-06-13 21:14:15 You guys are shakin' my confidence lately. 

Thanks for a great day of fun. Heading home to enjoy a glass of wine. 

Celia 

26269 BrunelloBob 2012-06-13 21:17:05 Celia's a tease: What kinda wine Girl? 

We expect great things from someone with your "provenance". :lol: 

26270 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-13 21:49:23 Maybe they'll build a "bridge over the troubled waters" between Seattle and Vashon Island and I'll no longer 

have to hitch a ride on a whale when the ferry is down! 

Welcome back Sir Brooks! 

26273 AdamEmpire 2012-06-14 11:02:34 Scott W - How much more of the Senorans were you looking for? Thanks. 



26278 BuffaloLou 2012-06-14 18:17:13 Been very hectic of late, so I'm catching up... 


@cbs - Would love to meet up if we can. Let me check with the Mrs and I will advise. I am not familiar with 

many restaurants in NF. Joe is probably 25-30 minutes South of NF, and I'm about 40 min South of Joe. 

@Celia - Welcome and thank you for the offer! 

@TO - Good call with Supertramp. 

26282 David T 2012-06-15 00:49:48 Well, this inmate escaped the asylum and is currently in San Pedro Sula, Honduras! No wine for the next week 

but the second half of the trip we're staying at a brewery so plenty of beer. We should have internet access most 

of the trip so I can monitor those still institutionalized remotely :P 

26287 joe g 2012-06-15 11:18:18 cbs... i 2nd the meet up 

26288 vinmoet 2012-06-15 11:25:31 The Italians have their priorities straight...cheese angels: 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303734204577466621207745702.html?mod=WSJ_hps_Photos 

Module_1#slide/1 

26310 vinmoet 2012-06-17 08:14:46 Talk about quiet this weekend! Anybody out there? 

To all of us dads out there, HAPPY FATHER'S DAY!!! And, to those who want you to drink Merlot today, just 

remember to say "If anybody orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any %&$*#@& Merlot." Its 

your day...drink what you want. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiOuroHPxRQ&feature=related 

Gonna watch it later. 

Just in case you need some wine tasting instruction... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3R1prb0_1o&feature=related 

26311 NaH 2012-06-17 09:04:35 VINNY 

That Borat scene is THE FUNNIEST! I cry with laughter every time I want his movies. 

Happy Father's Day to everyone! 




26314 mr21cbs 2012-06-17 14:53:57 Spending this father's day weekend at Bucknell for a USA Swimming competition. Nice facility, great weather, ok 

food... 

Happy Father's Day to you dads! 

26326 McMalbec 2012-06-18 21:58:39 Happy belated Father's Day. Although my father and father-in-law have been gone for about 10 years now, this 

was the first year I greeted my son as a new father. 

I was in Colorado Springs last week on business with little time to check our discussion. Driving back yesterday, 

the temperatures in western Colorado and eastern Nebraska were hovering at about 103°F. Passing UPS and 

FedEx tandem semi's, I sure hoped that no one's wine was heading east in those trailers! 

26331 mr21cbs 2012-06-19 07:06:51 Testing. Is this thing on? 

26332 BrunelloBob 2012-06-19 07:52:48 Test--3rd computer 

26335 mr21cbs 2012-06-19 09:21:58 BrunelloBob, we can see you!!! 

26337 AdamEmpire 2012-06-19 12:21:39 Vinemoet - Great QPR on the Michel Gassier Nostre Pais. I drink it at least once a week. 

26338 BaroloDude 2012-06-19 13:40:54 and Adam is talking about the Magnum sized bottle. 

26341 louas 2012-06-19 22:13:24 We are celebrating National Martini Day with birdbath sized Hendrick's Gin Martinis. Hope this doesn't affect 

tomorrow's golf game. After all the temp is only expected to be 106! 5% humidity right now. Dry even for here. 

Sorry for the late notice re: National Martini Day. 

26346 mr21cbs 2012-06-20 14:40:08 Did anybody score the Domaine Ponsot Clos de la Roche Vieilles Vignes 2009 Magnum deal on Last Bottle? It was 

a bit out of my price range at $995, but the shipping was free 

26349 BrunelloBob 2012-06-20 18:57:57 102 degrees in the car today...It may be time to put away the reds for the summer.... :( 

26350 TonyO 2012-06-20 19:27:45 Something for BarolDude to erase the memeory of the chorus from "we built this city"...... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0NOHeAHx6I 

26352 louas 2012-06-20 21:09:57 @BB: You may be right! Muscadet here tonite! 

26353 BrunelloBob 2012-06-20 21:12:40 Blowing through the Sancerre in Connecticut... 

Gotta do more with Moscato... 



26358 Brooks 2012-06-21 12:22:34 dine with swine and wine 

playing life on the back nine 

did not read the sign 

too rigged to fail stocks 

too broken to mend our nests 

saving cash for reds 


I guess that I just dont know how it all unfolds 

but keep an eye on the exit doors as it rolls. 

Promises are just too important to keep 

But my challanges are much too steep 

I beg your pardon, is there an offline? 

i'm travelling to the NYC mainline 

hey did someone say an offline? 

hell I will make it in a bee line 

26360 TonyO 2012-06-21 12:47:05 heading to Florida to escape the Vermont heat.................but before I go, I just stopped at a local hot dog cart 

and the greatest sausage ever (twss....)....homemade sausage with Jasper Hill Blue Cheese crumbles and 

bacon..........Vytorin I love You for allowing such indulgences...wow that was amazing.......time to pack some vino 

in the suitcase....keep it under 50 (pounds that is .........) 

26362 BrunelloBob 2012-06-21 13:32:01 Nice cab blend on WTSO 

26363 vinmoet 2012-06-21 13:37:33 I had the Tavel QPR Sunday for father's day lunch. Mrs. V made a tomato cheese basil tart. The two together 

were unbelievable. Really the best of summer. Of course, father's day dinner was no slouch either. Coq au vin 

made with the '07 E. Guigal CDR which is a QPR around here served with a '00 Beaucastel CDP. 

Anyway, here's the recipe for the Tart: 

http://www.recipelink.com/cookbooks/2002/0767907701_3.html 

26364 mr21cbs 2012-06-21 13:43:16 BrunelloBob, I went in on the 2003 Bremer Family Winery Howell Mountain Napa Valley Claret. Sounded very 

nice and the CT notes were supportive. I won't see it for a while due to heat, but that's fine with me. 



26365 BaroloDude 2012-06-21 13:51:09 11 more posts and we will be at 21212 fwiw 


Sancerrely yours, 

- BD 

26367 wine magnet 2012-06-21 15:26:42 Tony O: Where, pray tell, will you be in FL? Should you be close to St. Petersburg, you would be welcome at our 

weekly Sat 2:30-4:30 afternoon tasting as well as perhaps an offline w/some dinner and wine that day or any 

other. I am very flexible when it comes to getting together with wine/food lovers, and have several restaurants 

with no or very low corkage charges. I will be making a whirlwind trip to Orlando early Sat, but should return by 

Noon or so. 

26370 TonyO 2012-06-21 17:52:50 @winemagnet: Amelia Isalnd (Jacksonville area)....how far to St. Petersburg ? 

26371 ptaylor2112 2012-06-21 20:39:40 I see that Rose and always think of Dr. David Tavel. Too bad it isn't a Reisling. 

Things are quiet here in Indiana. The Dudes on the Porch bid farewell to Dude Mike, who is moving to Evansville. 

We enjoyed the following: 

2008 Cooper Mountain Mountain Terroir Pinot Noir 

2005 Bodegas Lan Reserva Rioja 

200? Tikal Patriota (Bonarda/Malbec blend) 

No tasting notes as we merely enjoyed one another's company. 

ptaylor2112 

26372 wine magnet 2012-06-21 20:53:33 Tony O: Amelia Island is probably 3+ hours from St. Pete. We are 10 minutes West of Tampa's West side. The 

weather at Amelia should be cooler than on the mainland, but it will still probably be in the high 80s/low 90s 

unless it is cloudy/rainy.. It will be breezier there than here, where the temps will likely be close to the same. 

26375 mr21cbs 2012-06-22 08:57:03 Joe G and BuffaloLou, our visit to the Buffalo area has been postponed until later in the summer. My boys finally 

decided to race and qualified in a number of events for the swimming Junior Olympics in long course. Getting 

them away from the pool even for a couple of days is not the best option at this point. Their JO is July 26-29, 

after which we will look for much needed rest. I will definitely keep you posted and would love to meet. Have a 

great summer! 

26377 David T 2012-06-22 11:46:11 @mr Keep me in the loop for when you make your trip to Buffalo/Niagara Falls, it's a very short drive from 

Cleveland & I would love to meet up again as well! 

Congrats and best of luck to your kids with the Jr Olympics! 




26378 mr21cbs 2012-06-22 12:14:31 DavidT, will do! I would love to get together, if you can tolerate pretty active, but well behaved boys. They don't 

drink wine yet, just sniff, but sure can eat. Have a nice weekend! 

26379 luddite 2012-06-22 13:18:56 @mr21cbs: Congratulations to your sons! They continue to impress! Best wishes for a fun and successful JO! 

26384 vinmoet 2012-06-22 17:36:35 Being the good dad that I am I bought tickets to the new Pixar film, Brave. Kids are excited. Me, just glad to hang 

out with them probably not as keen on the movie itself. Will reheat the coq au vin from Father's Day before we 

go out. Have another Kermit Lynch wine to try. Then let my designated driver take us to the movie and I'll either 

like it or have a good nap. A win win either way. 

26392 wine magnet 2012-06-23 09:04:44 mr21cbs: Ah, the good old days of JOs, including running thehhough it was yesterday, even though it has been 

20+ years since I last worked a JO meet. Good luck to your boys, the discipline of swim training will prepare 

them well for endless challenges in life which their non-swimming contemporaries will find hopelessly daunting. 

26393 mr21cbs 2012-06-23 14:19:58 21212! 

Vinny: What new Kermit Lynch selection are you preparing to consume? I am one of his biggest fans and have 

found many unbelievable QPRs amongst his imports. One of the most notable have been several Chateau de 

Perron Madirans, which have matured into Bordeaux-like wines after 10+ years. Alas, I am down to 4 bottles of 

their last vintage, 2001, having long ago consumed those from earlier years. 

Wine Magnet, sometimes we are dead tired of driving them to practices and meets, most of the time we are very 

happy and impressed by their results, many times we are all frustrated by the missed opportunities when every 

hundredth of a second counts. All in all they are awesome kids and swimming, indeed, makes them strong 

physically and emotionally, as well as independent, disciplined, and focused. One of the interesting observations 

that I had was that they are expecting everyone to be that fit (boys and girls), which is scary especially when it 

comes to "their non-swimming contemporaries". 

On the wine front, had a good experience with 2008 Epiphany Petite Sirah yesterday. Really enjoyed it after 

dinner. One of the better purchases from Lot 18. 




26395 vinmoet 2012-06-23 15:29:11 WM: You are correct sir. Kermit is the bomb. In my constant search for QPR wines for the hills, I am trying the 

following over, I hope, the next week to try: 

2010 Reverdy Sancerre (white) 

2010 Ch.Graville-Lacoste Graves (a white Bordeaux) 

Both in that sub $20 range. 

I have also been assigned a tasting of a Michael Corso wine, Chateau Margui from Provence. Softest blush I've 

seen, not a true rose color. Another sub $20. Have not ever had any of these wines. 

All this work tasting for others and I still have to find time to drink my regular red Bordeaux. Its not easy over 

here folks. Last night I did not have a Lynch wine after all. I had been asked to taste a couple of lower end Pinots: 

2009 Vincent PRunier Pinot Noir Bourgogne: Always a bad indicator when a Burgundian puts the grape on the 

label. This is his entry level wine that sells in the sub $20 range. Inexpensive Burgundy does not exist. That said, 

I thought that this was very presentable, tasted like Burgundy, had a slightly ethereal mouth feel, bright sour 

cherry, decent structure and balance. VM87. Maybe its a QPR, maybe not. At $16 or less, I'd say for sure. 

2009 Domaine de Regusse Paues de Alpes de Haute Provence. A Pinot not from Burgundy. Cheap. About 

$12.00. Not a drinking wine, it needs food. Cheap wine and tapas? Sour cherry with a slight cough syrup back 

drop. Forgive it the synthetic cork. VM81. Not for me, but a good cheap wine pick. Still rather spend more. 

26398 vinmoet 2012-06-23 18:57:20 Tasted the Chateau Margui distributed by Michael Corso. Tolerably sweet with minimal fruit. Grassy nose. 

Nothing there on the palate. At $8 it would be a perfect party wine for folks who aren't into wine. At $20ish, 

major disappointment. 80 VM. 

Kids had a swim meet today. I was a timer and did not screw up. Everyone ready for a Saturday night feast. 

Now, on to grilled NY strips, garlic mashed potatoes, french (green) lentil salad, french cheese plate and a cherry 

tart. Kids picked the menu. Have not decided on the wine, but am either going with a flamboyant modern style 

'09 Bordeaux or going the other direction and pulling out an '89 Pauillac, Clerc Milon to be exact. Letting Mrs. V 

make the choice. 

Hey, where is BLou? Have not seen a post from him for ages. 




26399 BrunelloBob 2012-06-23 19:19:58 Recommending Sangiovese with the "Italian cherry" tart. (RdM?) 

just sayin' :) 

26400 brooks 2012-06-23 22:36:51 The Name Game 

At birth our parents gave us the gift of life and our first name....please state your name_________ 

When we were little we were surrounded by Mommy, Daddy, Sis, Uncle Al (kiddies pal) Auntie Mildred, Grandma 

aka Mimi, Didi, Grammie, and Nana...Grandpa aka, Pop, Poppie, Pap, ..................... 

When our friends arrived on the scene it was Michael, Matty, Billy, Lil Suzie, Nancy and Tommy 

When we got pimples and braces our friends became Mike, Matthew, Bill, Susan, Nan and Tom 

It high school we acquired names that were given to us by our friends Mikey the T, Scuz, The Gun, Sue, Cricket 

and Murph 

Sometime the nicknames were not kind and no need to hear them again 

In college all bets were off for our birth names and once again we received new names...Tonka Kid, Boney, the 

Swede, Bingo Bob, Speen, Keyboards, Warhight, Chipster, the Fog, Gman, FM, Brooksie, Kel, G cubed, Chicken, 

Gorilla and my favorite......... Murtzandstuff. 

When we started our careers...our names went back to our birth names. 

Now on the web....we have returned to the name game.. only we create our own nicknames. Pretty cool this 

time around. Rarely do we seen names like Smelly Ron, Big Ears, Buck Teeth, Duck, Tubby and A$$wipe 

Wine Magnet is attracted to all wines while BaroloDude praises the Piedmont juice while BrunelloBob is a Tuscan 

lover. Some still love their real names like K is for Kate Joe G and TonyO while others are still linked to their 

home town like BuffaloLou and NYPete... 

Others created a new world order with names from their imagination Mobius, AfraidKnot, Nursing A Handover, 

Waiting In Manassas, WhineBabyWine, Vinmoet, Luddite but from our experience we needed to give nicknames 

to the names like WM, NAH, Vinnie, B squared, Prof Luddite...etc. 

I guess when we are in nursing homes we will acquire new nicknames that resemble the Disney Dwarfs...Sleepy, 

26401 vinmoet 2012-06-24 07:24:42 Brooks, dead on. Thanks for the comment. Seems like its awfully quiet here...I know its summer but hey. 

My "handle" was something from pre-posting days and was tied to my original email address. Actually rarely 

drink Moet Chandon but that's where the Moet comes from. Probably as much laziness as planned. Seems like 

others are much more creative. 

Fun stuff. 




26402 vinmoet 2012-06-24 08:08:53 On Cindy they got me thinking about barrel making. The discussion was about how expensive the barrels are. 

Thought it would be interesting here and since I'm too lazy to recreate my comments, I rather just clip and paste: 

As far as barrel making, I know some folks in the industry there. They are very passionate about what they do. 

They are harvesting from forests that were planted for this purpose a few hundred years ago. They know all of 

the trees in the forest and project when they, or their grand children, will be harvesting each tree. Then, the tree 

is cut into Boards and the wood ages outside for several years. Then starts the labor intensive effort of actually 

making the barrels. If you're buying a barrel made there, then think of shipping that barrel from rural France 

across the pond to the West Coast. Each step adds plenty of cost. 

Here's a link to a serious maker: http://www.seguin-moreau.fr/page.php?lang=gbr 

A quick, fairly clever barrel making video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LBGPKgQ2ac 

26404 luddite 2012-06-24 10:28:32 @brooks: I encourage you to do more "deep" wine tastings. Some of your funniest stuff gets posted! 

luddite now, nursing home name: Covered with Drool :lol: 

26406 K is for Kate 2012-06-24 14:48:32 @brooks- Nice name breakdown. I actually disliked my name and kept trying to get people to call me other 

things until I got "K is for Kate who was struck with an axe" from Edward Gorey's Gashlycrumb Tinies tattooed on 

my arm. I have another online name I use most places, but I didn't want you guys to find my pr0n. ;) 

26407 NaH 2012-06-24 16:57:09 VERY FUNNY BROOKS...but it's hanGover. There's no HAND going over anything! LOL 

Very true about nicknames. In college I was known as "Jerry's Kid"...think Grateful Dead not Jerry Lewis and the 

MDA!! 

At work I'm known as PRINCESS...it's PRINCE ASS but when you say it fast, it sounds like princess. 

Thank you and have a good night. Don't forget to tip your waitresses... 

26409 BrunelloBob 2012-06-24 20:46:10 “Jerry’s Kid”…That's Good. :lol: 

Whatever happened to Castello and his "hippy Lettuce?" 

26411 brooks 2012-06-24 22:27:51 NAH...spelling only counts in heaven. ;) 

Tomorrow the blame game...Part One 




26412 David T 2012-06-25 00:12:41 I love all of our ED nurses as none of them take any $#!% from anyone given some of the patients we see, so they 

all can become prince/princess ass on a moment's notice ;) 

I'm just David T/David everywhere on and off-line respectively... boring. Or 'Dave' from some but not many. On a 

few online sites I'm still ONUMello from when I registered that username during college & now they won't 

let me change it, and dRxuggist on Twitter. One of my best friends from high school has always called me 'T!ts' 

but that's just him. I'm 'Captain Touch' to another friend ever since a memorable mini-golf game, but again that's 

a one-off. 

26413 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-25 01:20:18 Kosmos Spoetzl ............... now there's a name.......... 

disclosure........Shiner Kosmos Reserve............much better than their Prickly Pear (too sweet) 

I am not joking......and don't call me Shirley! 

26419 luddite 2012-06-25 11:48:56 @AFK: Is your world famous rib-rub about ready to go commercial? Mrs. Luddite has asked me repeatedly to 

buy some! 

26420 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-25 13:07:46 @Professor ~ Not there yet .......... it also needs a name ........ I have no ideas .......... feel free to suggest a good 

one! 

26422 NY Pete 2012-06-25 17:20:50 Brooks 

You should have crashed the party! 

Cheers 




26426 Brooks 2012-06-25 22:25:58 The Blame Game Part 1 

"Officer I really wasn't speeding, I am headed to Nordstroms for my third fitting of my Michael Kors Handbag 

with extended shoulder strap and my fashion consultant Meg is going on her third two weeker to the Hamptons 

for the fourth time and she is leaving me in 30 minutes" 

"My teenage son is a great student who is working hard, he had a couple of innocent beers with friends and I 

really don't know what a reading of .24 is anyway that is just being picky? 

"My mortgage banker told me that all the beauticians in Bayside were able to buy a $1.5 million upper eastside 

condo" 

"This is non-fat yougart...you can eat all you want and don't become anymore obese" 

This is the real magic phone....I use it all the time and I never get a bill...right dad" 

"I thought I was in a Bank of America branch where littering is allowed" 

"Everyone else was passing in the no passing zone on 9W so I thought is was legal as long as you were on the cell 

phone" 

"With God as my witness, I thought parking meters were sun dials...who carries change now a days" 

" Orangeberg replace Orange Julius at the Paramus Mall" 

"I forgot armed robbery was illegal" (This is post was approved by Mike Barnicle -google if you don't get it) 

"Teachers are really not doing the job they are supposed to do but I cant talk about that now as I am heading to 

the nail shop" 

'I dont know where my son gets off to get hammered drunk and do doughnuts on the town green....I was 

enjoying a few brews with my budies down at Hooters" 

"The government needs to be doing a better job with the budget...why are my real estate taxes going up 

exponentially and services like Vodoo dancing being eliminated" 

"Let me stop talking about me...that is rude....what do you think of me? 

"The New York Times Metropolitan Diarrhea can be treated" 

"Say good night Gracie" 

26430 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-26 08:37:52 Things just get curiouser and curiouser........ 

26431 BrunelloBob 2012-06-26 09:33:40 "Good-bye, feet!” 

26432 luddite 2012-06-26 16:04:01 @BLou et al: J&R Music has a contest to win a Warren Haynes autographed guitar! 

http://www.facebook.com/JRMusicNYC 

26433 vinmoet 2012-06-26 16:27:10 Where is BLOU? 

The Chinese continue to move into Bordeaux: 

http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/530095/china-s-bright-food-buys-bordeaux-negociant-diva 




26434 castello 2012-06-26 16:40:24 Occasionally lurking BBobs. Loving the name game. 

26436 BrunelloBob 2012-06-26 17:56:09 CASTELOOOOOOOO!! 

26437 Brooks 2012-06-26 22:51:24 The Blame Game Part 2 

"I would have loved to attend Sausagefest 2012 Offline but I am low sodium, vegan and gluten free" 

"It's not your fault, I am just being a little more selective with the people I drink wine with" 

"You are qualified for the job and age has nothing to do with it, but management wants me to hire folks that are 

fluent in Urartian" 

"If were not for my pet honey badger, I would join you on your trip to Indiana to see the RV/MH Hall of Fame" 

"Fifty Shades of Grey is for putzes, we have been playing car keys in the candy bowl for decades" 

"If I were not a Gemini, I could live in Yonkers, but the race track forces me to hang out with Capricons" 

"I would personally host Chicago Offline 2019 at my estate on May 5th, but the carpets are being steam cleaned 

that day" 

"Children are the only one's that blush and that life is just to die" 

Say good night Soupy 

26441 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-27 08:58:03 'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Brooks remarked. 

'Oh, you can't help that,' said Be Squared: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.' 

'How do you know I'm mad?' said Brooks. 

'You must be,' said Be Squared, 'or you wouldn't have come here.' 

26442 BrunelloBob 2012-06-27 09:04:13 "See AfraidNot over there? He's nutty as a beech tree, Thinks he's Lewis Carroll...." Squared B quipped... 

26443 Brooks 2012-06-27 09:54:41 Sanity can not be scientifically measured by say Jujubes...it is subjective and therefore open to debate...speaking 

of debate....man in the boat overboard...Offlinegate on the WLTV Boards....makes people forget about high gas 

prices or even Kahunagate....I know in all good fun and like reality TV....but where are the creative sitcoms and 

plots....But tell me where do the screen writers play 

26444 TonyO 2012-06-27 12:27:07 Florida, the "Sunshine State" ? Wow, I have not seen rain like that since the days of Moses..................luckily we 

actually did see some sun the first two days and really had a great time catching up with family! Amelia Island / 

Fernandina Island are great spots for vacation (downtown Fernandina is a great area for 

drinking/eating/shopping etc.). Tonight, it's a Pat Donohue concert (not familiar with him but the owner of the 

venue said he is amazing (and the great Chet Atkins agrees) then it's off to Albany for Roger Water's performance 

of the wall...........quite a week.............kudos (what old people say instead of "props") to Delta Airlines for 4 flights 

that were all on time and comfortable, a rarity in today's air travel world..............gotta catch up on the posts, 

looks liek some good ones !!! 




26445 NY Pete 2012-06-27 12:33:36 funny how a simple misunderstanding can get blown way out of proportion. 

it is what it is Brooksie. 

26447 Flyerfan44 2012-06-27 15:25:40 Hellllooooo inmates!!!! 

26448 luddite 2012-06-27 16:16:54 Mrs. Luddite and I are getting ready to head out to La Tasca in Alexandria to meet our daughter and @WiM for 

dinner. Only ones missing are @BD and @Flyerfan :( perhaps later this summer... 

@Flyerfan: Welcome back you have been missed. Hope all is well. Last time I "spoke" to you was on your 

birthday and you said you would stop by, I just didn't think it would take 3 months :) 

26449 TonyO 2012-06-27 16:22:00 Any Inmates in Seattle ? Great looking Owen Roe wine dinner at El Gaucho on 7/27. I won't be in attendance 

but if I were in that area I would not miss this one ! If you need details that aren't on the restaurants website, let 

me know ! 

26450 David T 2012-06-27 18:24:30 @TO The youngest member of the asylum speaks in kudos and not props... 

26451 BrunelloBob 2012-06-27 18:40:35 Are "kudos" like "cooties"? 

x 

FlyerFan! 

26454 brooks 2012-06-27 21:25:10 H01y Philly!!! Welcome back FF! 

Yes 

Havens 

PhD= Papa has dough 

of course 

still driving 

Bummer Flyers 

Yes 

20 x 30 feet 

a jack hammer 

add fresh basil 

I got to run but great to hear from all those that are missed.... 

TonyO you are a champion among men (and mice) 

26455 Tonyo 2012-06-27 23:09:39 @Brooks: your praise is well received ! 

26456 BaroloDude 2012-06-28 02:24:23 sorry Ludds i won't be making it out to DC this year. That conference happened two weeks ago, and i was in 

Europe at another event. Probably next year i will be back! 

26458 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-28 08:53:14 http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/294916_S/home-depot-full-service-restrooms.jpg 

Because we all need a little help sometimes! 




26459 BrunelloBob 2012-06-28 09:59:42 Fattoria Le Pupille 'Saffredi' $43.81 JJBuck PCP 

I'm luckwarm on 2008 Italy, but this is a great wine at a great price. 

Email your rep if you want this and aren't getting the offer directly. 

26461 A Frayed Knot 2012-06-28 10:49:53 The Castello Man 

It's nine am on a Thursday 

the regular crowd shuffles in 

There's a proffesor sitting next to me 

Makin' love to his tonic and gin 

He says, Son can you play me a memory 

I'm not really sure how it goes 

But it's sad and it's sweet and I knew it complete 

When I could still touch all my toes. 

Da da da de de da 

da da de de da da da 

Sing us a song, you're the Castello man 

sing us a song tonight 

Well, we're all in the mood for a melody 

And you've got us feelin' alright 

Now the Dude at the bar is a friend of mine 

He helps me get shipping for free 

Brooks is quick with the jokes, but he never smokes 

And there's someplace that he needs to be 

He says Bob, I believe you are killing me 

As the smile ran away from his face 

ll ' h ld b k 

26464 luddite 2012-06-28 13:14:40 @AFK: "When I could still touch all my toes." :lol: Those were the days my friend... 

26465 BrunelloBob 2012-06-28 15:03:04 Brilliant, AFK, BRILLIANT! 

26467 David T 2012-06-28 20:00:51 *standing ovation for AFK* 



26470 brooks 2012-06-29 07:49:24 :) 

An oldie but goodie; a round of orange whips for the table! 

Rock Star? I am just the father of the leader of the band. 

26476 luddite 2012-06-29 17:58:41 ATTN: Reignac Slut Club (RSC) 


Wine.com is selling the '05 for $210 a case ($17.50/bottle) and you can get $20 off if you are a Steward-Ship 

member ($49 per year for unlimited shipping). Use code TWENTYOFF (expires today 12 PM Pacific time). If you 

aren't a Steward-Ship member you can get 1 cent shipping use code 99ONECENT also expires today. 

26479 louas 2012-06-29 21:55:21 Ginormous t-bone pork chops brined and rubbed with an absolutely killer 2007 Meeker Petite Sirah which was a 

woot purchase. 

Great weekend all and fun 4th! 

26481 castello 2012-06-30 00:27:37 Thanks AFK! Very touching welcome. If I get enough grappa, wine and scotch in me I think I can sing like this. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azw0JvYmj7Q&feature=fvwrel 

26486 NY Pete 2012-06-30 17:03:15 Ed, you don't need any booze to sing like Waits ... :) 

26487 BrunelloBob 2012-06-30 18:18:33 @TonyO: I love you, man, but that Hunter III SB SUX! 

I was gonna dump the bottle, but Beautiful Wife stepped in and declared it "fine". She's bailing me out on that 

bottle tonight. We generally have Very different tastes in whites. 

x 

Full disclosure: I'm frequently disappointed in Cali SB, and the viognier does nothing for me. I'm more of a fullblooded 

Marlborough man. ;) 

26488 John O' 2012-06-30 19:42:10 @ TonyO and BB 

Have to agree re the Hunter III. I took the word of the fine gentlemam from the Communist republic of VT and 

was pretty disappointed. Marlborough can be very good. SB from Bordeaux with a few years on it (e.g 2007 

Doisy-Daene) can be sublime. 

26489 BrunelloBob 2012-06-30 20:36:32 Maybe I can trade Hunter III for a few more Red Sox wins... 

26494 Tonyo 2012-07-01 19:50:10 @BB and Irish John: what don't you like about the Hunter III SB? I find it to be refreshing and has nice fruit and 

for $11, you can't even get a Bud Lite draft at Fenway ! I guess I am with the ladies on this one ! Everyone wins 

at Fenway tonight as Roger Water performs The Wall.....I witnessed this masterpiec in Albany, NY on 

Thursday.....un %&^*&( real ! If the show comes near your town, this is spectacular and worth the $$$ 

! 

26495 BrunelloBob 2012-07-01 20:54:02 T.O.: I would have bet it was oaked. It had this buttery thing going on and it lacked the rip-your face off crispness 

of the good NZ stuff. Maybe an age issue... 

Tasted like something they'd serve at yankee stadium. 




26496 Tonyo 2012-07-01 22:30:01 @BB: maybe it only taste good while watching a team in 1st place? Bobby V better be renting not buying in 

Beantown ! I do agree that the Hunter III is not really a typical SB but I did like it especially with grilled 

shrimp/chicken ..... 

26501 luddite 2012-07-02 06:40:51 This inmate and his family were blessed to only lose Internet for 2 days while so many others in the Washington, 

DC area lost power (with temps in the mid 90s) and/or had extensive property damage from storms that 

unleashed hurricane-force winds across a 500-mile stretch of the mid-Atlantic region. Our thoughts and prayers 

are with those who were far less fortunate... 

26504 AdamEmpire 2012-07-02 09:22:15 Tonyo - I saw the Wall at the Times Union Center as well. That was an incredible, totally immersive experience. 




26507 Brooks 2012-07-02 10:26:42 I am Brooks, a man who fell in love with wine as we all fell in love with Cindy. For nearly three years, I have 

shared that love and joy with fellow posters, with near daily wine blogging on WL and Tremblings. Now I bring it 

to you. 

I think there’s nothing worse than walking into the wine aisle and passing a pickle down your pants leg. Do you 

ever have to depend on depends. Do you ever begin to speak in tongues by the Ports....Do you come to the wine 

store for some PN and end up marrying the cashier. When Adams greets you at the doors with a pat on your 

rump do you bark, roll over and play dead (and I am not talking about Europe 72). And, unfortunately, the wine 

industry does very little to help – shiit happens. That’s where I come in. I focus on people who want to love wine 

and be the party animal host, but forgot. Do you need to rekindle out the animal spirits? 

I am available for in-home wine-tastings, hosting larger functions, such as funerals, massive layoff annoucements 

or bapitisms and even to assist in public relations for the wine industry. We are a hoodie-free company. ;) 

Fee Schedule: 

In-home wine tasting, up to 115 people 

•In togas- $200* 

•In drag- $250* 

•Incognito- $350, plus travel* 

•Out of State (not permitted in Utah and Vermont)- Fee negotiated* 

*The fees shown here do not include the cost of the wines, costumes, wigs and silver ties but typically starts at 

about $100 for each guests. Nudity is not permitted except in rare instances where the event is held in Maine or 

New Foundland where guests are bringing their pet moose. Music is always provided but we only play 

performers that are no longer with us... (the Captain from Captain and Tennille - dead or alive?) 

h l h h h d h l bl d ll h d l f d f 

26508 BrunelloBob 2012-07-02 10:38:26 Brooks: I don't even understand Half of what you say, but you KILL me... 

26509 BrunelloBob 2012-07-02 12:30:37 $175 2004 Cristal on Last Bottle. FS2 

That's about rock bottom for that juice. 

26510 vinmoet 2012-07-02 12:44:16 Brooks: I echo BB. I have no clue what you are saying, but keep saying it my friend, it brings a smile... 




26512 vinmoet 2012-07-02 16:18:19 Last call has an '09 Bordeaux, Chateau Gravelier, for $10.99 delivered. HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THIS IS. If you buy 

it, you are buying cheap wine from a good vintage at your own risk. 

The wholesale cost is 1.5 Euro or about over $2.00 (here's a link to the collective that sells it:) 

http://www.tradeboss.com/default.cgi/action/viewcompanies/companyid/590801/ Then it gets shipped over 

to the U.S., stored, and then shipped to you. Am not certain if LCW is forced to buy through an importer 

(wholesaler) or if they can do that directly. My point is that its insane to turn grape juice into wine, buy a bottle, 

put it in the bottle, cork it, label it, box it and ship it for $2.00. I think its amazing that the same bottle gets 

shipped around and to your door for $11.00. That's with bureaucracy and taxes making it hard to do and adding 

expense. Quite a system. 

26513 TonyO 2012-07-02 17:29:43 @Adam: the next time I am in the Albany area I will be sure to stop by and say hello.....I know the area well 

(graduated from Colonie and Siena).....I'll call first to see if you are around (will be down the end of July for 

Santana / Allman Bros.)............glad you got to see that incredible performance ! 

26521 Phredd 2012-07-03 13:30:11 Last Bottle 2005 Reignac for $19, FS on six. Looks good according to Searcher. Thoughts? 

26522 john o' 2012-07-03 14:08:09 @Phredd 

The 2005 Reignac is excellent (and from an excellent vintage). Paid about $24 each a while back. recently 

bought a case from JJB using preferred client pricing for about $15 / bottle. 

At $19, no tax, free delivery, it's a no brainer. 



26523 vinmoet 2012-07-03 14:39:49 This is not rock star wine, but in IMHO is a crazy good QPR. 

Parker's notes: 


Apr 2008 Robert Parker (90) Drink: N/A $25-$40 

Another top-notch effort from the home property of the brilliant Yves Vatelot, Reignac’s 2005 has a dense 

ruby/purple color and notes of graphite, black currant, some sweet cherries, and spice box. It is a medium to fullbodied 

wine with beautiful concentration, decent acidity, and ripe tannin. Despite its humble appellation, this is a 

very serious wine that is qualitatively up there with some of the better classified growths of the Medoc. It should 

drink beautifully for 8-10 years. A sleeper of the vintage! 

Add to Print List 



No tasting note was provided. 



Possibly the finest Reignac I have ever tasted from proprietor Yves Vatelot, this superlative blend of 75% Merlot 

and 25% Cabernet Sauvignon is treated like a spoiled child, aged on its lees, and bottled unfiltered. There are 

over 16,000 cases of this cuvee, which should be uncommonly long-lived for a wine of this pedigree. Its dense 

ruby/purple color is followed by a sweet nose of blackberries, cherries, smoke, and pain grille. Deep, full-bodied, 

26524 BrunelloBob 2012-07-03 14:58:24 Alright, I bought 6. 

These better not suck 

BrunelloBob remains suspicious of cheap Bordeaux... 

26525 mr21cbs 2012-07-03 15:01:02 I also went in on 6 of Reignac. Thanks for the info... 

26526 john o' 2012-07-03 15:03:39 @BB - If it will make the wine tase better, send me $60. 

26527 BrunelloBob 2012-07-03 15:05:01 I'll send you some Hunter III and we'll call it even.... :lol: 




26532 wine magnet 2012-07-03 21:53:29 I bought the '05 Reignac from WL in Feb '07 and paid $24.50/btl. Last month I opened one and was pretty 

pleased (90@P&P, 91 after 2 hours). At the lastbottle price, I am in for another case. Note for those in the 

East/South: Last week I received a "refrigerated ground" shipment of the Miura Pinot Noir that lastbottle offered 

a month ago. I thought they had suspended all shipments because of the really hot weather, and was shocked to 

have it delivered anyway. I opened the box, expecting it to be toast here in FL, only to find the bottles quite cool 

(certainly in the 60s). For an extra $32.80/case for cold shipping from Napa to St. Petersburg was a deal IMHO, 

so I opted for the same shipping on the Reignac. Now I just have to cross my fingers and toes and hope it gets 

the same superlative handling. 

26537 mr21cbs 2012-07-04 12:45:01 Happy Independence Day, Everyone! 

26540 vinmoet 2012-07-04 17:05:03 Happy 4th of July. Thanks for all you do CBS. Everyone buying the Reignac will be happy. Its all American wine 

at the vinmoet household today (I did have to make a special trip). Happy Birthday USA. 

26542 vinmoet 2012-07-04 18:07:07 In honor of the red, white and blue I went to the local wine store and through myself on their mercy. Our menu 

is Jambalaya, smoked chicken breast, smoked beef tenderloin, a pasta salad (from Giada), yeast rolls, carrot 

salad, and a regular green salad. We were just having some friends and it ballooned to 30 people, so my budget 

affected my selections. 

2010 Sean Minor Vin Gris - a Pinot Noir carneros rose which I've had before and is really a wonderful 

summertime wine, perfect with the Jambalaya. About $15. 

2009 The Girls in the Vineyard Cabernet Red Hills Lake Co. CA - I have no clue what this is but my wine guy said it 

was a style that I'd like. About $25. 

2010 Triumph Cellars Cab from Napa - Ditto. About $25. 

Oh, and I bought a lot of Dixie beer, even though its brewed now in WI. 

I have some older Cali Cabs to tap if we run short. My best Cali wines I save for French folks who visit us here 

(they don't travel to the US for Bordeaux, who woulda thunk?). 

So, we'll see what this old Bordeaux bum thinks of this new world stuff from this renegade upstart country of 

ours.... 




26543 mr21cbs 2012-07-04 18:38:31 Thanks, Vinmoet, same to you and your family. 

~ 

We have a double celebration every independence day as it is also our wedding anniversary. Well, today is 15 

years as I officially lost my independence. Luckily to a wonderful woman. Time to celebrate. Cheers! 

26546 vinmoet 2012-07-05 09:29:35 2009 Girls In the Vineyard - my preferred of the two Cali Cabs. A correct, presentable Cab with fruity dark and 

red cherries in the nose, deep dark red hue, and a smooth, balanced open with dark cherries and a hint of vanilla. 

Not much length, not particularly complex. At $10 I would buy again but not often. See that its about $16 on 

the web, I paid somewhere between $20 and $25. VM 84. 

2010 Triumph Cellars. Not a big fat wine by modern Cali standards, but too big and fat for me. Lots of big dark 

fruit on the nose, deep dark red hue, a fleshy big dark cherry open with a back drop of cherry cough syrup and 

vanilla. Short length. I would not buy this but could see where fans of in your face wines would like this and, 

unlike me, consider it restrained. VM 80 for my palate, VM 87 as a representative of its genre. Drinkable but 

would not buy again. 

26548 BrunelloBob 2012-07-05 15:26:05 "2,009 Girl in the vineyard"....Lots of girls....Must be a Big vineyard... 

26550 luddite 2012-07-05 22:18:02 Go Nationals! Giants swept! 

26554 BrunelloBob 2012-07-06 11:31:47 2,009 girls could do a lot of sweeping... 

26556 vinmoet 2012-07-06 13:33:17 All this hot midwest weather has me thinking about travel. So, where else to go in August? Miami, of course. 

Last year I got my 14yo daughter scuba certified, so this year I'm getting my 11yo daughter certified. They do the 

class work on line now. The certification takes 3 days. The deepest water is maybe 40 feet with the real average 

about 20 feet and water temp usually around 81 or 82. Super easy and very safe. Watching for cheap airfare. 




26557 Brooks 2012-07-06 13:36:12 My college roommate and I are heading to Plymouth NH right now to the Flying Monkey to see Hot Tuna....I 

never saw the Jefferson Airplane...first time I saw Hot Tuna was 35 years ago also with my college roommate... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjfhsLuOEWI 

Stay cool and enjoy the weekend....big BBQ tomorrow night....we will go deep early and often....wine details will 

be shared. 

Actual conversation 1985 College Roommate's Wedding 

Brooks: You look wonderful for the wedding; how nice your pocketbook matches your shoes and dress 

College Roommate's Mother: Thank you for noticing; I did not think that would be something a guy would notice 

Brooks; That's a lie....I thought about persuing a career as a dress designer...like my grandfather 

College Roommate's Mother: You are so full of it...Our son shared with us all the crazy things you did in college 

Brooks: While in the library? ; The time I won a 20 dollar bet to streak through the library then shake the 

circulation person's hand on the way out 

College Roommate's Mother: No did not hear that... actually the time you took the lab mice...scotch tapped half 

cut ping pong balls as helmets and threw them out the window with parachutes 

Brooks: That was never proved to be me though 

College Roommate's Mother: See we were always worried that our son was going to get in trouble with you 

Brooks: Well I wasn't the one that got arrested in College Station TX 

College Roommate's Mother: What! ............What was that? 

Brooks:(long pause) oh nothing.......... I was just joking 

College Roommate's Mother: your were not joking and your face is red now...(Mother makes b line to her son 

who is in tux on the happiest day of life....mother pulls him to a quiet corner....5 minute conversation is seen but 

not heard...very animated 

!0 minutes late) 

ll i d d k i hi b h i li d 

26560 BrunelloBob 2012-07-06 18:48:27 I bet there's at least 2,009 Girls at the Concert... 

26568 Scott W 2012-07-07 17:00:51 I just bought the 08 Modus on Empire, loved the 07, anyone tried the 08? Figured if it is half as good as the 07 it 

will be a great buy. 

Hope they don't mind holding until the heat wave breaks.... 

26569 BrunelloBob 2012-07-07 19:07:18 Scott: I haven't had the 2008, but I've had several previous vintages. At that price, you're Good. In for 4 myself: 

Thanks for the heads up. 

26570 scott w 2012-07-07 19:37:29 Thank you BB 




26571 louas 2012-07-07 22:01:27 2007 Schug Carneros Chardonnay Gorgeous golden color and truly one of the best Chards I have had. Picked it 

up a couple of years ago from the Wine Spies. 

2004 Oriel Sygnet McLaren Vale Shiraz. This is big juice. Almost chewy. Perfect with dinner. 

No heat wave here in AZ, just normal wave! 

26574 BrunelloBob 2012-07-08 19:20:32 I miss red wine...Can't it cool down enough just ONE evening.... 

(gotta get central air...heat negatively affecting my habit...) 

26576 McMalbec 2012-07-08 22:27:42 Barolo hounds: any comments on the 2006 Fratelli Alessandria Barolo 'Gramolere' DOCG @ $56 today on the 

Spies? 

26584 WaitinginManassas 2012-07-09 17:06:43 @Scott W Drinking a 2006 Modus now with pizza. Ordered a 4 pack of the 08 from Empire. Thanks for the heads 

up! Hope everyone had a great Independence Day holiday and was able to stay reasonably cool! Glad the temps 

are back in the 80s again! 

26586 BaroloDude 2012-07-09 19:10:16 never tasted that Barolo (or any by that maker) before... no opinion! 

@ludds.... PFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTT Why does an Indians fan care about the Senators, er Expos, er whatever so 

much anyway? 

26587 wine magnet 2012-07-09 20:00:34 vinmoet: Some expert Bordeaux input, please: My favorite LWS just sent me an email re: 12 btls of 1996 Chateau 

Lagrange @ $64.95/btl. When I picked up 4 other cases on Sat., he told me that this might become available 

from his elderly client who has 300+ cases of older Bordeaux which he is "thinning out". The CT notes make it 

look attractive, similar to the 93 las Cases I recently bought from the same source for $900/case, which is 

outstanding!! Any comments would be appreciated. 

26592 NaH 2012-07-10 05:38:34 wine magnet 

That's a great price for the Lagrange. average w-s price is $110, the lowest is $70. If provenance is trusted, then 

it's a buy. Make sure it's from St Julien and not spelled La Grange. 

here is a review of 1996 Bordeaux 

http://www.thewinedoctor.com/tastingsformal/bordeaux1996.shtml 

http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/a20110922.html 




26593 vinmoet 2012-07-10 07:41:01 WM: If this is the Saint Julien, then this is a great deal, IMHO. Be warned, however, even though this wine has 

some age on it, it is still a tannic beast and a baby. That's just how '96 rolls. As you will recall, I am a big Neal 

Martin fan. His notes from '08: 


Nov 2008 Neal Martin 93 Drink N/A $70-$125 

"A blend of 57% Cabernet Sauvignon, 36% Merlot and 7% Petit Verdot, the 1996 is even more subdued on the 

nose than the 1996, with overt cedar and tobacco aromas. But good definition, perhaps with a little more clarity 

than the 1995. Unfurls reluctantly to reveal more smoky aromas. Surprisingly supple on the entry, good balance 

with superb ripeness on the mid-palate with dense, ripe black fruits, touches of blueberry and black plum with a 

touch of citrus orange in the background. The finish is very well defined and focused. Excellent – but it needs 

time. Tasted September 2008." 



Apr 1999 Robert Parker 90 Drink: 2006 - 2022 $70-$125 

"This impeccably run, Japanese-owned property has fashioned a superb 1996. Opaque purple-colored, with a 

backward yet promising nose of classically pure cassis intermixed with pain grille and spice, this medium to fullbodied, 

powerful yet stylish wine possesses superb purity, a nicely-layered feel in the mouth, and plenty of 

structure. It will not be an early-drinking St.-Julien, but one to lay away and enjoy over the next 2-3 decades. 

Anticipated maturity: 2006-2022." 




"A classic Bordeaux as well as a textbook St.-Julien, this dense, powerful yet elegant 1996 is broodingly backward, 

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26607 luddite 2012-07-11 19:46:27 Garagiste is having a garage sale. It's like winning the lottery :D 

26610 johnR 2012-07-11 23:23:25 I know that I seem like kramer from seinfeld in that I burst into the asylum every few months. @Luddite, I have 

never had much luck with Rimmerman. I fell for a FX pichler 6 pack where he was claiming that the 6 pack was 

worth like $600. I added up my 6 bottles, and it was like $350, which was list price. Beserkers seem to be 

universally against buying these mystery packs. 

26615 luddite 2012-07-12 08:08:04 Kramer er @JohnR. Glad you stopped by! For the garage sale, you get to request up to 3 cases each of $250, 

$600, or $1500 worth (minimum) of random wines. But you odds of getting any cases were stated as being less 

than 1 in 30. Hence the winning the wine lottery theme... 




26618 NY Pete 2012-07-12 21:35:12 F Garagiste. that is all. 

26619 Julius 2012-07-12 21:50:03 @VM - So now we know what RP thought of the wine well over a decade ago and what NM thought of it several 

years ago, but what do you think about it? LOL. 

26622 vinmoet 2012-07-13 08:55:10 Julius, 

Thanks for chiming in. We need more wine talk around here... 

I tend to have photographic recall of wines I've tasted but on this one, I can't remember having tasted it...I 

believe if I did it was a decade ago? If I had a credible recall, I'd put it out there. I'm just very familiar with the 

Chateau, its terroir, and its general reputation. I've also drunk a lot of '96 wines with the probable exception of 

this one. So, while I can't cough up notes, I can judge the others' notes, my feelings about the vintage, the 

Chateau, and the pricing and offer up an opinion on whether this is a deal or not but that's about it. 

I tend to look at Parker as a standard. Whether you love, like or hate him, he's a very consistent taster and is a 

solid point of reference. His prose is a good indicator of when there is heavy extraction and wood, for example. 

His palate is predictable and therefore a very good barometer. 

Neal tends to favor earthier, less extracted and, possibly, more balanced wines? But he's a younger pup who's 

probably coming into his own right now...his older notes can be a much harder reference point to judge from 

although I think 2008 is the starting point of his maturation as a reviewer. Plus, he's not that well known so is a 

tougher reference point for others than the Robert is. 

26623 wine magnet 2012-07-13 09:58:05 Vinmoet & NaH: Thanks for your thoughts on the '96 Lagrange St. Julien. I had already committed to buy it, 

just shortly after receiving the email, but alas, my email was too late! Another recipient of the offer snatched up 

the available case. It was the real Lagrange, and from my experience with wine from this consignment seller, it 

has impeccable provenance since its' release. 

I have now been offered a case of '96 Leoville Barton at $85/btl, of which I am not familiar. Leoville las Cases are 

the exclusive Leovilles in my cellar. Any quick thoughts without research? The CT notes are not as compelling as 

were the Lagrange, and the pricing is not as attractive (to me!). 




26624 vinmoet 2012-07-13 10:51:11 I'd consider this wine still a baby. '96 is notoriously tannic and long lived. Don't remember tasting this particular 

vintage either: 

Parker 


Apr 1999 Robert Parker 92 Drink: 2007 - 2030 $95-$236 

"This impressive wine is a classic. Although backward, it exhibits a dense ruby/purple color in addition to 

abundant black currant fruit intertwined with spicy oak and truffle-like scents. The wine is brilliantly made, fullbodied, 

and tightly-structured with plenty of muscle and outstanding concentration and purity. It should turn out 

to be a long-lived Leoville Barton, and somewhat of a sleeper. However, patience will be required. Anticipated 

maturity: 2007-2030." 




"An enormous, masculine, backward wine, Leoville-Barton's 1996 exhibits an opaque black/purple color, and 

sweet, earthy, prune, and blackcurrant aromas intertwined with scents of licorice and Asian spices. Enormous 

and full-bodied, with a sweet mid-palate and mouthsearing tannin in the finish, this exceptionally dense, 

powerful, layered wine will require significant patience. Its explosive power and richness may push this wine's 

ultimate rating into the mid-nineties. Anticipated maturity: 2007-2040." 


Apr 1997 Robert Parker (92-94) Drink: 2012 - 2030 $95-$236 

"On three separate occasions, Leoville-Barton's 1996 proved to be spectacular, not surprising in view of the fact 

that this effort is from a chateau that has produced nothing less than top-flight wines for more than a decade. 

The 1996 possesses explosive richness, undoubtedly from a higher percentage of Cabernet Sauvignon in the final 

bl d h l i d l /bl k h i i i f i i h i ill h 

26627 louas 2012-07-13 22:49:42 Well, no Chateau like reports here, but...after deciding not to open last bottle of CH179, I instead opened a bottle 

of CH 200 CS. 

Let me just say that this is drinking really well right now. Not sure this has the backbone for 10-15 years as 

hyped, but for now very satisfying. 

26630 McMalbec 2012-07-14 20:06:08 @louas: thanks for your report on 200. Have you had some of the 172 cab by chance? CT notes are all over the 

place. Go Bucky! 

26632 Mrpat56 2012-07-15 11:55:34 Do you have any idea what source the CH 200 came from? 




26635 louas 2012-07-15 21:28:14 @McMalbec: I have had the lot 172, however, I have no notes to refer to. 

@Mrpat56: The Lot 200 was purchased in Tucson from Costco. 

26637 Hinrgman 2012-07-16 11:14:39 Mrpat56 - Lot 200 2008 Napa Valley Cabernet is primarily a blend of cabernet from three of Napa’s greatest subdistricts: 

Stags Leap, Oakville, and Rutherford. 

26639 louas 2012-07-16 15:07:09 @Hinrgman: Better Answer!!!!!!!! Actually LOL! 

26640 BrunelloBob 2012-07-16 16:15:01 PAGING CALIFORNIA: 

I'm in San Francissco on business Sunday night, staying at the Hilton Financial District (Chinatown) . Can anyone 

recommend a good wine bar/restaurant within walking distance of the Hotel? I'm looking for some place where I 

can get a good glass of wine and a meal and am running into several places that are closed Sunday 

Not my first trip to SF, so I've got the sightseeing under control. 

Cheers! 

26641 vinmoet 2012-07-16 16:29:40 Hey, is BLou posting anywhere? 

26642 vinmoet 2012-07-16 16:50:49 BBob: We were sent here in March: http://www.cotognasf.com 

26643 BaroloDude 2012-07-16 17:43:48 BBob... Barbacco and Perbacco... 

Wine list changes, but there's a good selection http://www.cotognasf.com/pdf/cotogna-wine.pdf 

We stayed in China Town and walked there (its in Jackson Square, very close). For a table you need a 

reservation. You can walk up and eat the same menu at their bar with no reservation. Especially if you are by 

yourself. We loved it. They will post the Sunday menu on the prior Wednesday. Have a good time! 

hello everyone. 

Jon Lord died :-( meanest sounding keyboardist ever (Deep Purple). 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjzVUCnnAk (see solo at ~2:58 mark) 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/deep-purple-keyboardist-jon-lord-dead-at-71-20120716 

26644 Mrpat56 2012-07-16 17:56:20 Thank you, I purchased 6 when they were released and enjoyed the one I drank so far. I remember the dark 

cherry and chocolate flavors. I was acually wondering if anyone knew specific vineyards that the lot 200 came 

from. It was a secret when released and I think that maybe it still is. No matter where its from,its good. I 

decided to open one now to have with my steak 




26645 BrunelloBob 2012-07-16 18:06:20 @Dude: Barbacco and Perbacco would be Perfect, but both are closed Sunday... 

Intrigued by Vinny's Sunday Dinner option... 

Thanks guys. 

26647 TonyO 2012-07-16 19:20:42 @BaroloDude: Jon Lord was the best IMO.................. 

26648 Scott W 2012-07-16 20:09:07 @BB the Press Club is great..not sure it's in walking distance tho.. http://www.pressclubsf.com/ 

26649 BrunelloBob 2012-07-16 20:48:17 Thanks Scott, but 

"Closed on Sunday" 

Must be a lot of church-goin' in S.F..... 

26650 TonyO 2012-07-16 21:43:58 @BrunelloBob: www.scalasbistro.com .............I thought it was a great place (and they are open on Sunday !) 

26654 BrunelloBob 2012-07-17 05:47:34 T.O.: This isn't a "yankee fan hangout" is it? 

26656 mr21cbs 2012-07-17 11:41:23 Getting hooked on Cabernet Franc, mostly California. Any QPR recommendations would be greatly appreciated! 

26657 BrunelloBob 2012-07-17 12:29:36 RE: Cinderella: IN, vintage be damned. 

26658 BrunelloBob 2012-07-17 12:32:40 @MR: I liked the 2007 Robert Storey Cellars that popped up on WTSO at $19.99, but that was only 52% cab 

franc, the rest cab sauv. The 2008 Flora Springs Cab Franc was pretty good too. 

26659 mr21cbs 2012-07-17 12:53:11 @BB I still have 2 more of Flora Springs, which I also picked up from WTSO and like a lot. Finished a batch of St. 

Francis Cab Franc from WTSO, and would buy more. I am sure there is more... 

26663 luddite 2012-07-17 20:12:53 @mr21cbs: I have not had this wine so just going by CT notes and price: 

2009 - Lang & Reed Cabernet Franc: http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1227815 

Available at WL for $19.98 

26664 TonyO 2012-07-17 21:40:12 @BrunelloBob: would I do that to you ?? 

26665 TonyO 2012-07-17 21:46:37 Friday night is going to be one heck of a party here at Casa de TonyO.....my good friend is moving to Italy to work 

at Cigliuti www.cigliuti.it 

Party is on Friday to give two days to recoup...... 

26667 louas 2012-07-17 22:35:56 Panko crusted Pacific Halibut tonight with our last bottle of Supernatural SB. It continues to impress. Ms. Louas 

pulled herself away from Brian Williams earlier to tell me "this is good!". 




26668 wine magnet 2012-07-18 03:07:55 mr21cbs: This vintage is not listed on WS pro, but I have enjoyed it and have one left: 

2004 Domaine de la Butte Bourgueil Mi-pente, which I bought 2 yrs ago for $12 (a steal); 2009 Damien Lorieux 

Bourgueil Cuvée Graviers, from garagiste 4/12 at $14, which I opened last week: not bad for the price and it will 

likely improve with some time; 2008 Domaine Fabrice Gasnier Chinon Vieilles Vignes, bought 5/10 for $18, which 

I scored a 90 in 2011, and will benefit from some more time, IMHO; 2009 Sineann Cabernet Franc Champoux 

Vineyard, which I bought from Chainbridge Cellars for $28 in 1/12 and have not yet tried, but I bought it on DT's 

rave 93 pt CT review from 7/11; 2008 Vignobles du Paradis Chinon Cuvée Signée, $10 from WL, 6/10, 11/10 

note says it should improve w/time, good buy w/FS. 

26669 BrunelloBob 2012-07-18 06:17:36 T.O.: Why not? I'd do it to you.... :lol: 

26670 mr21cbs 2012-07-18 08:43:37 Thank you, ALL, for the Cab Franc ideas. I will seek those out. 

26671 louas 2012-07-18 09:15:20 @mr21cbs: +1 on the 2009 Damien Lorieux Bourgueil Cuvée Graviers. 

26672 wine magnet 2012-07-18 12:21:55 Vinmoet: Thanks for your thoughts/reviews on the '96 Leoville Barton. My case is reserved for a Friday pickup in 

Sarasota. The RP notes which show a drinking window ending in 2004, mean that I may have to hold it to drink 

on my 100th birthday...NOT likely! I guess I will have to drink it as a baby. 

Any thoughts from anyone on the current offer on wineshopper.com (Marqués de Griñón Emeritus 2003)? The 

description as "Bordeaux-inspired" gets my attention, and the CT reviews averaging 92.4 are tempting me to pull 

the trigger for several bottles to get the free shipping on orders >$99. 

26673 wine magnet 2012-07-18 13:24:46 The wineshopper.com offer of Marqués de Griñón Emeritus 2003 sold out quickly. Oh well, the description and 

pricing caught my attention, even though I couldn't get any. It's not as though I need more Bordeaux/Bordeauxinspired 

wines and apparently others needed some quicker than I could decide. The old "snooze, you lose" 

adage in action! 

26674 BrunelloBob 2012-07-18 13:30:45 Well Mags, I think that means it Was a Good offer! 

26677 luddite 2012-07-18 18:42:50 Settling for "Old Bay" :( while waiting for rib-rub by AFK! 

26679 brooks 2012-07-18 20:43:56 2005 Havens Wine Cellars Bourriquot.....still livin the dream. 

Hot Tuna....get some if you can 

Carlos...bare feet and flawless 

Woodstock Alums 

Say Good Night Moon 

PS TonyO...enjoy...embrace.. 

26680 TonyO 2012-07-18 22:13:01 @Brooks: I am ready, willing, and able ! 

26681 TonyO 2012-07-18 22:13:26 TWSS............... 




26682 john o' 2012-07-19 09:10:47 @Vinmoet 

It strikes me that most of the "flash deals" I'm seeing for Bordeaux wines are merlot based (vs. cab based). It's 

not just 2009. 

Anything to that? 

26685 vinmoet 2012-07-19 12:45:20 John O: I don't know that I'm seeing that, I haven't been watching that closely so maybe you're right. The reality 

is that practically all red Bordeaux has some amount of merlot. Left bank tends to be Cab heavy and right bank 

Merlot heavy but they still predominately blend the two interspersed with cab franc and petite verdot. Even 

wines which are supposed to be Merlot only wines, like Petrus, are still only about 80% Merlot. All that said, its 

probably easier to push Merlot here. 

26689 David T 2012-07-19 17:50:48 Any thoughts on the 05 Montes Folly on Empire's 4free page? Definitely the best price on the web & seems 

to be scored quite well between CT & various critics, though some of the notes make it sound like a bit of a 

fruit forward oak monster. 

26690 brooks 2012-07-19 19:05:00 Roll over and play Dead 

Let the Led out 

Get the Kinks out 

Be a Queen for the day 

Who is next 

Sticks and Stones 

It's AC/DC 

Trypes anyone.... 

26692 BrunelloBob 2012-07-19 21:14:18 The Who: 12/9. Wells Fargo Center. Philadelphia, PA 

BrunelloBob and Beautiful Wife circling for tix.... 

Requests for restaurant and wine bar consults pending... 



26695 NaH 2012-07-20 07:26:28 BBob 


I have The Who as 12/8 http://www.wellsfargocenterphilly.com/event-details.aspx?e=10218&s=1936 

as for consults...Good Grief!! What do you want to eat? Do you want BYO's or regular places? 

Non BYO 

Italian- Vetri http://www.vetriristorante.com/ or Osteria http://www.osteriaphilly.com/ 

Spanish- Amada http://amadarestaurant.com/index.html or Distrito 

http://distritorestaurant.com/index.html or Tinto http://tintorestaurant.com/ 

Classical Bibou http://www.biboubyob.com/ 

Mediterranean Zahav http://www.zahavrestaurant.com/ 

Let me know if you need more. When will you be visiting...that day or weekend? I feel an offline in the making!! 

JIM 

26696 A Frayed Knot 2012-07-20 09:21:04 The Mayans may be right, the end may be soon.............afk is now the owner of a cellular communication device! 

Not Crackberry...........appears to be powered by an obese, green robot. 

I have often thrown rocks at birds.......but never before have I thrown birds at rocks 

Angry Birds = Digital Crack.............need help..........how do I stop?.............like a bad Hitchcock movie! 

Tried to call home............cannot find slot for the quarters............what kind of Hippy Voodoo is this? 

26697 BrunelloBob 2012-07-20 10:46:08 I picture AFK on a Seinfeld-style, 12 pound, military radio look-a-like cell phone... 

26698 mr21cbs 2012-07-20 10:53:10 AFK, welcome to the 21st century. 




26699 BrunelloBob 2012-07-20 12:22:36 NaH, you are Correct, Sir. 12/8 it is. 

(12/9 is the Mohegan Sun show, which is 30 mins down the road from us but, for various reasons, Philly's the 

target) 

Thanks for the restaurant recs, I'll review when I have a bit more time. Looking for great food, great wine, great 

atmosphere. Bit of a "splurge" dinner probably. Pretty open as to type of food. 

Dinner with Beautiful wife Friday night, concert Saturday. Offline likely impossible :( 

26700 BrunelloBob 2012-07-20 12:57:30 WOW, NaH :o .... Vetri .... :o 

That Would qualify as a Splurge... 

Tell me the wine prices are "reasonable".....please.... 

26701 NaH 2012-07-20 14:21:55 BBob 

"reasonable" hahahahahahahaha that was funny! 

If close to 300% mark up is ok with you, than it's resonable. 

I'm sure you can find a wine that is a decent price. Worse case, get by the glass, this way you can have different 

wine with each course. 

BTW, Vetri is AMAZING! 

26702 BrunelloBob 2012-07-20 14:56:53 That's it then, Vetri is out! :( 

I'll pay a 3,000% markup on food, but 300% on wine is ridiculous! :lol: I wine shop on the internet, you know. 

(Too bad, place looks perfect: small, good food, good wine, I like the pairings option. Italian is always good. Got 

something similar and cheaper?) 

Digging the tapas joints for before the concert--Thanks! 

26703 NaH 2012-07-20 15:39:17 Osteria is the sister restaurant. Very good also. 

I'm not saying that the wine prices are that marked up. But most restaurants, higher end, do have expensive 

wines. 

Enjoy wherever you go. Sorry you don't have extra time to get together. 



26704 brooks 2012-07-20 22:11:37 WARNING: A REPOST 

Roll over and play Dead 

Let the Led out 

Get the Kinks out 

Be a Queen for the day 

Who is next 

Styx and Stones 

It’s AC/DC 

Trypes anyone…. 


Snap no one suggests to change sticks to Styx...Zzzzzzzzz....can I get a heart beat monitor reading? Did the music 

die? Where is my John Wayne? Like Steve McQueen? 

Wah Wah Wee Wah. 

AFK....I would call you from my cell phone, but my other cell phone is ringing now ;) 

26705 John O' 2012-07-21 18:08:35 '05 havens bourriquot. 3 years on its side has worked its magic. 

26708 A Frayed Knot 2012-07-22 00:23:27 @Sir Brooks ~ ........knights or better Trypes to win! 

26712 BrunelloBob 2012-07-22 19:51:55 2006 Corte Pavone at the Ferry Plaza Wine Bar 

WOW Good Brunello 

Way Drinkable despite its youth and tannin 

Live Who and Stones on the sound ststem doesn't hurt the ambiance at all 

26718 vinmoet 2012-07-23 12:37:53 World's largest wine bottle... 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/huge-wine-bottle_n_1686613.html?icid=mainggrid7|main5|dl14|sec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D181523 

26724 luddite 2012-07-24 14:24:14 @B² talks and WTSO listens. :) The '06 Corte Pavone is up now... 

26726 BrunelloBob 2012-07-24 18:52:03 Ludds: I was on a plane! 

Price? 

(so I know How upset to be. Like I Need More Brunello...) 

26727 Mrpat56 2012-07-24 20:22:40 I think 39.99. Not sure. Didnt last long 

26728 BrunelloBob 2012-07-24 20:53:52 Pretty upset... 

26731 BaroloDude 2012-07-24 23:30:42 Les Cretes (chard) on Garagiste. Ahhh the memories of that maker.... 

26733 John O' 2012-07-25 05:44:35 @Vinmoet 

2005 Ferrand-Lartigue St. Emilion for $23 JJB preferred client price. 

thoughts? 




26734 vinmoet 2012-07-25 08:42:01 John O': Have never been a big fan of this wine but it has received attention as kind of a QPR upstart. The price 

is appealing. These tend to drink younger so this should be in a drinking window now even though '05 is a tannic 

vintage needing to age. For me, a pass. But, I could easily understand someone going in on this particular deal. 



Apr 2008 Robert Parker 90 Drink: 2008 - 2023 $25-$40 (30) 

Thank goodness this estate’s new consultant, Stephane Derenoncourt, has toned down what was often too much 

new oak. He also appears to have built in more density. The 2005 is a beautifully exuberant, sexy wine displaying 

copious black cherry, toasty oak, raspberry, and vanillin notes. Pure, rich, medium to full-bodied, and luscious, 

patience will not be required for this beauty as it can be consumed now and over the next 12-15 years. 



Apr 2007 Robert Parker (90-92) Drink: 2007 - 2022 $25-$40 (24) 

Wine guru Stephane Derenoncourt appears to have tamed some of the blatant oakiness often found in young 

vintages of Ferrand-Lartigue. The result is a denser, richer, more balanced effort possessing medium to full body 

as well as loads of exuberant black raspberry and cherry fruit intermixed with pain grille and spice. Soft tannin 

along with abundant richness suggest this beautifully pure, long 2005 should be consumed during its first 12-15 

years of life. 


26735 Brooks 2012-07-25 10:51:39 Christmas in July has started...use old CW offering pages to see price changes =) 

This message will self destruct in 1:09 

26737 AdamEmpire 2012-07-25 14:49:28 Vinmoet - I love the Miraval Rose, great QPR. Sadly the importer does not ship outside of NY Metro so I cannot 

sell it. 

26740 McMalbec 2012-07-25 19:29:32 @Vinmoet: yet another JJB private offer-2009 La Lagune 'La Moulin de Lagune' 

Haut-Medoc, Bordeaux for $22.50 abottle. Thoughts on this second wine? 

26743 vinmoet 2012-07-26 08:31:08 McMalbec: I'm familiar with their first wine have not had the second. They even have a third which is sourced 

from adjacent vineyards. The second comes from young vines there and from juice that they did not use in the 

first. The first tends to be bigger, muscular and built for the long haul. There is no shortage of oak. The second 

is said to be softer and ready to drink sooner. 2005 was a killer vintage for this estate, 2009 probably matched it. 

I recall Parker scoring the first 95 points for '09. 

If you are looking for a modern style, early drinker not meant to age, this is probably a great candidate and the 

pricing is awfully good. 




26745 Phredd 2012-07-26 09:31:41 Miraval is "hip and trendy"? Seems like a wine with ties to Pink Floyd would only be "hip and trendy" to those of 

us who are in the general neighborhood of fifty. 

26746 vinmoet 2012-07-26 09:45:24 The wine is hip and trendy, a bit modern. Pink Floyd is retro and trendy in the subculture of our youth. 50 is the 

new 20, didn't you know? Myself, I respect the body of Pink Floyd's work, but have never been a fan. 

26747 Phredd 2012-07-26 11:59:53 I like Pink Floyd, but I wouldn't consider myself a fan. Their music is very interesting, but it is a lot of work to 

listen to and definitely doesn't represent my personal world view. 

26748 john o' 2012-07-26 13:19:50 @vinmoet - apprediate your input on Bordeaux 

The wine, on the other hand, is nicely flavorful and delicious. I enjoyed the 2008 vintage very much. I wish it 

were more widely distributed. I haven't managed to procure some for a couple of years. I'd pick it up now and 

then if I could find it in a local store. There aren't many rosés I'm willing to special order in enough quantity to 

make the numbers work. Dave, Brandon, I'm looking at you. 

Regarding the 2009 La Lagune ‘La Moulin de Lagune’ Haut-Medoc, Bordeaux for $22.50 a bottle. I was on the 

fence and decided to plunge in, since it seems to be my life’s mission to corner the market on $20 - $40, 2009 

Bordeaux’s. The last e-mail I got from my rep, showed the previous offers down the side and the price had risen 

to $26.50. Not 10 minutes earlier I had put in my order at the old price and the confirmation came back at the 

lower price. 

I suspect it’s a popular offer and that demand has caused them to rethink the pricing. 

26749 NY Pete 2012-07-26 14:16:55 question regarding this site, does it shut down at night? 

anyone else having trouble with their access? 

26750 BrunelloBob 2012-07-26 16:18:31 If anyone is wondering, that Antinori Guado al Tasso on Last Bottle is GREAT wine. 

I dropped 93 points on the 2003, which was rated like 5 points lower by the pros. 

26753 louas 2012-07-26 21:15:08 Seriously, does anyone know where BLou is hiding out? 

26754 TonyO 2012-07-26 21:58:37 Pink Floyd seems to be a love or hate (or like....................) saw Roger Waters about a month ago perform The 

Wall in concert.....nothing short of amazing....speaking of amazing, tomorrow night Santana and Allman Bros. in 

Saratoga.................a little Carlos circa.................wait for it.............1970....CAN"T ^&((&&)) WAIT 

!!!!! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlw74WEbIHI 

26757 TonyO 2012-07-26 22:38:51 @louas: check facebook 




26764 vinmoet 2012-07-27 15:09:51 In your search for cost effective 2009 Bordeaux I thought I'd help by listing some QPR wines. These are all a bit 

too modern for me but are accessible young and will improve over the next decade. I would not hold these 

much longer than 10-15 years though. In that sub $25 category, these are very good values: 

Reignac - Bordeaux RP90 in that $20ish range 

Charmail - Haut Medoc RP90 JS92 under $25 

Joanin Becot - Castillion RP91 JS92 $25ish 

Gigault Cuvee Viva - Cotes de Blaye RP90 JS92 $20ish 

(a Derenoncourt wine, almost all Merlot) 

Cambon La Pelouse - Haut Medoc RP90 $20ish 

These should all be easy to find here in the States and are very nice wines. To be honest, I have not bought these 

for myself but have tasted them for others. They represent very accessible good QPR wines and I'd consider 

them for houses wines. 

26766 Phredd 2012-07-27 16:58:59 @vinmoet: Are there QPR or house wines from Bordeaux that you would buy for yourself? Or maybe you don't 

go for the QPR plays in Bordeaux? I'm not being provocative, just wondering after you recommended five wines 

you basically said you wouldn't drink. 

26767 louas 2012-07-27 19:54:07 @Tony O: Embarrassed to say I don't know his full name you can tell me here or at louas09@gmail.com, please 

26768 vinmoet 2012-07-27 22:32:01 Phredd: Have tasted and would drink these. I have a very full cellar which is now delivering older bottles ready 

to drink. Not buying the QPRs myself because the '09 wines that interest me are at a higher price point. Don't 

think that you'll find '10 accessible and '11 will generally stink, so am tipping you off on QPR '09's that are in that 

sub $25 range which is where many are comfortable. I would not recommend wine that I wouldn't drink myself 

but my space is limited so I am picky about what goes in the cellar. These won't taste like wines 3 times the 

price, but they are very solid. 

26773 John O' 2012-07-28 20:34:26 this board is like a 30" putt in a close match with my buddies (very quiet, chirp, chirp). 

Tried the I Giusti Belcore on Cindy with dinner tonight. Really nice Sangio blend. 

26775 David T 2012-07-29 02:53:50 The end of an era?!? "Google Chrome could not connect to winelibrarytv.com" "tv.winelibrary.com Internet 

Explorer cannot display the webpage" 



26777 luddite 2012-07-29 10:43:52 For inmate bargain hunters: 


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/07/25/dining/20120725-twentywines.html?ref=reviews 

26778 BrunelloBob 2012-07-29 10:52:23 @Ludds: Is someone on the other Gary's mailing list? ;) 

I've had the Produttori del Barbaresco Langhe Nebbiolo. Spend a couple more bucks and get the Produttori del 

Barbaresco Torre (Barbaresco) instead. Great QPR and one of the few multi-bottle buys in my world. The Langhe 

falls a bit short. 

26779 McMalbec 2012-07-29 14:46:08 @BB re Produttori del Barbaresco Torre- not much around. Some 2006( more expensive than the) and 2007. WL 

at $26.@ seems to be he only sourse of the 2007. 

Do you get your from WL? 

26780 BrunelloBob 2012-07-29 16:50:29 McMal: Yes, the last couple vintages from The Temple. I can get it locally as well, for a few dollars more. The 

"Torre" isn't really part of the name, I don't think, but refers to the picture of the tower on the label. Helps 

distinguish it from The Lange and various single vineyard offerings. If one just says" Produttori del Barbaresco ", 

there can be some confusion as that is the producer's name and "Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco" kind of 

sounds silly. Not all retailers may be referring to it as "Torre" regardless. Should be pretty widely available. 

26781 TonyO 2012-07-29 18:57:23 Santan blew the $^%&^& roof of of SPAC.....64 years old, Woodstock veteran and still able to play like 

a beast........wow ! Not a huge Clapton fan but the jam with Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes was a rock n roll 

epiphany........... 

26783 TonyO 2012-07-29 21:50:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_F5zT-pgk 

26787 Phredd 2012-07-30 09:34:36 @vinmoet: Ah, I see. Makes sense to me. Thanks! 

26788 wine magnet 2012-07-30 14:26:05 TonyO was really a man of few words Sunday night. Hopefully it was the result of copious consumption of good 

wine and he just forgot what he was going to write. 

26789 John O' 2012-07-30 19:22:10 every year I donate 3 wines for a fundraiser for a soup kitchen in Syracuse. Sometimes a vertical, sometimes just 

3 highly rated wines that I bought at a steep disct (always disclose the total SRP). This year's theme was: 

Wineries that won the 1976 Judgement of Paris: 

2003 and 2005 Montelena Estate Cab and 

2007 Stag's Leap Wine Cellars Artemis Cab. 

Not the same wines by any means, but a fun theme and hopefully it catches some attention. 

26790 TonyO 2012-07-30 23:31:39 @wine magnet: as Joe Perry said, I let the music do the talking ! 

26792 BrunelloBob 2012-07-31 12:11:02 Anyone beside me wondering if The Temple's Ardente Cab is just relabelled Vayniac Cab? 




26793 Brooks 2012-07-31 13:38:55 JohnO...very nice..a great idea I share...so much better than seeing on auction list...free coupon for Spa 

treatment from a man named Artie "Fingers" Choke who runs the biz above a deli 

^ 

I did similar for hospice care center with the 95,96,97 Burgess Cabs vertical 

2011: $240 

2012: $125 

I paid probably $22-25/piece....since I had purchased three of each, I enjoyed the vertical with fellow wino 

friends. 

26794 Phredd 2012-07-31 16:25:40 @BBob: Well, if it is, they broke the law. Vayniac Cab was vintage 2007. 

26795 AdamEmpire 2012-07-31 16:43:34 Hello everyone. I have a new and very limited (too limited to email) offer on 2009 La Peira Las Flors listed as the 

current Ship4Free. Just wanted to give you guys a heads up in case anyone is interested in the wine. Thank you as 

always! 

26796 BrunelloBob 2012-07-31 17:15:35 Sarcasm, Phredd. Sorry, I do that sometimes. :oops: 

Meant to imply that they can't seem to get rid of either one... 

x 

Nice looking wine Adam. Thanks for the heads up. 

26797 BaroloDude 2012-07-31 18:14:47 "We did NOT sell out on our monster three pack with one hour free shipping... so here is another hour of free 

shipping" 

Pertimali 2005 BdM was fantastic, rich, and quite aromatic stuff the other night. Got better as it went along... 

argon/fridge overnight and still very good next evening. Winner. 

26798 BrunelloBob 2012-07-31 21:06:34 Some good Brunelli in 2005, despite the lesser vintage rating... 

(am I repeating myself?) 

26799 BrunelloBob 2012-07-31 21:10:17 Word on the Street is that The Demigod has Rugrat #2 on the way. 

, 

Heartfelt Congrats GV, raise him to be a Patriots fan!! :lol: 

26800 mr21cbs 2012-07-31 22:26:03 @BB who said that the offspring is a boy? Facebook was pretty abstract. Best wishes to him and his lovely wife. 

26803 Phredd 2012-08-01 09:37:48 @BBob: Of course. And I was meaning to imply that WL would be smarter counterfeiters than that! :-) 

26804 BrunelloBob 2012-08-01 13:32:44 @Vinny: W.A. has your 2010 Chablis QPR with an anticipated maturity of 2014-2022. Your thoughts on its 

drinkability now? 

@Adam, Any chance of a "Ship4"? 




26805 vinmoet 2012-08-01 18:11:26 Bbob: I am no white wine guru but it seems to me that a few years in the bottle has nothing but upside. That 

said, I thought that the wine drank well upon the pour in the glass but opened up nicely after half an hourish. At 

this price point I'm not going to cry over infanticide. 

26806 BrunelloBob 2012-08-01 18:16:19 Merci, Vincent. 

26815 John O' 2012-08-02 18:45:15 cricket, cricket, cricket 

2006 Chateau Beaumont - decent Tuesday night wine on a Thursday. 

26816 mr21cbs 2012-08-02 21:45:55 John O', everyone is watching the Olympics. How are you doing? What is new in your neck of the woods? 

Summer doldrums at the hills! 

26817 Brooks 2012-08-02 22:52:23 Kancho...but I digress 

26819 John O' 2012-08-03 10:06:34 @mr21cbs 

Height of the season in the Finger Lakes 

26820 AdamEmpire 2012-08-03 13:47:09 @BrunelloBob - I won't be able to do any kind of offer on the 2010 Droin Vaillons Chablis. The case I have in 

stock is all that is left. 

26821 TonyO 2012-08-03 14:18:59 @BB: "rugrats" .......haven't heard that term since it was me that was being called it ! (except for that dumba$$ 

cartoon that is on Nickelodeon)...........almost too hot to drink wine (red anyway..............) quite a week.......one 

daughter truned 8, one turned 19, and our oldest son turned 23...........we are never going to retire !!!!! 

Hope all is well with all of you !!!!! 

26822 BrunelloBob 2012-08-03 14:41:32 8....19....What the Hell were you doing for 11 years? 

x 

x 

(thanks for the response Adam) 

26823 John O' 2012-08-03 16:01:50 @TonyO - admire the perseverance 

26824 BaroloDude 2012-08-03 16:38:41 Battle of the Falesco Marciliano deals today. Empire wine has 05 for 23.99 & 4FS. WL has the 07 for 27.99 

and 12FS. Both are supposed to be well rated bottlings... 

26825 Scott W 2012-08-03 18:45:54 I took a flyer on the 05 Falesco from Empire.....seeing how Adam is already holding 4 bottles until fall I might as 

well make it 8. 

26828 Mobius 2012-08-04 21:45:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51IScrIuQVE 

26830 luddite 2012-08-05 10:59:01 @Mobius: Welcome back to the Hills my musical friend! Hope you and the band are having a blast! 

26831 TonyO 2012-08-05 11:06:04 Well, well..............look what the "cat dragged in" M-O-B-I-U-S ! 




26832 TonyO 2012-08-05 11:35:56 I like my coffee strong, my music loud, and my explosions plentiful....................best band to release a debut 

album in the past 10 years IMO...... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDMvN45sjo4 

I bet your awake now ! 

26834 McMalbec 2012-08-06 10:30:30 @ Tony: I've got nasty habits, I drink chablis at 3......... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxS6lnKoi-I 

26835 wine magnet 2012-08-06 16:17:29 A hearty welcome back to Mobius, who had "become a legend only in his own mind" (quoting Roxie), but also in 

the minds of his readers as well! I do look forward to a resumption of the tales of the Wilkerson bus and its' 

collection of inmates (and antagonists). I am sure they have many adventures from the many months since the 

last report, all of which I would love to read while enjoying some special wine. Those adventures were surely 

worthy of more than daily drinkers. I'd much prefer classic wines with classic lines, and look forward to breaking 

out more CdPs and Bordeaux. 

26837 brooks 2012-08-06 20:54:58 Ho1y Cr4p... 

26840 john o' 2012-08-07 13:56:57 The Jade Moutain Syrah Paras Vineyard 2004 up now on Last Bottle for $18 is a killer deal. 

Highly reccomend it. 

26841 mr21cbs 2012-08-07 14:22:58 John O', I second the Jade Mountain deal! I have 4 bottles of the 2002 vintage, just bought 4 of 2004 as it drinks 

great in the winter after skiing. Terrific wine for the price! 

26842 BrunelloBob 2012-08-07 14:29:27 @JohnO: In on your say-so. 

"These better Not Suck." :lol: 

26843 luddite 2012-08-07 15:52:06 @B²: The '02 Jade Mountain was also highly recommended by @TonyO! 

26844 BrunelloBob 2012-08-07 16:26:36 Oh No, Not TonyO! 

26845 John O' 2012-08-07 18:07:11 @BB - or what, Big Boy? 

26846 BrunelloBob 2012-08-07 19:41:38 I'll send you an equal size order of Les Cretes! 

26847 John O' 2012-08-07 20:37:38 uncle. 

26848 TonyO 2012-08-07 22:03:27 Yes, the REAL T.O. says BUY and DRINK on the Jade Mountain ! 

26849 BrunelloBob 2012-08-08 08:27:00 The "Oh-riginol TonyO" 




26850 vinmoet 2012-08-08 12:58:38 Someone posted their CT review of our QPR in French. They gave it 91 points. My humble translation: 

"The wine is pale with pronounced green hues. Nose of lemon, shells, sea air / salt and a touch of spice. 

Somewhat complex but oh so pleasant and full of freshness. It is pleasurable in the mouth with vivaciousness, 

perfect acidity and a long finish. Flavors of lemon, orange, spicey poached pear, mineral and salt. It has the 

substance to age. I have cellared several." 

26852 McMalbec 2012-08-08 15:30:56 Thanks, Vin: In your opinion (under proper storage) would this wine retain its quality through next summer? 

26853 vinmoet 2012-08-08 16:36:48 McM: This wine is a baby. It is very drinkable now, will be much better in 3 years and probably last a decade 

more plus. I am guessing its sweetest spot is between 2015 and 2020? 

26855 AdamEmpire 2012-08-08 17:34:12 Found a few more bottles of the QPR let me know if you are interested. Thanks! 

26856 BrunelloBob 2012-08-08 17:46:29 Adam: I'll take 4 if you ship 'em 4 free, once the weather cools down. 

(If they come Fedex, I just need a cool overnight, I'm a day away and our Fedex guy shows up by 9AM)) 

26858 BrunelloBob 2012-08-09 06:26:15 OMG: 1970 Biondi Santi Reserva Brunello Di Montalcino $429.99 on WTSO.... 

you guys should buy this for me.... :lol: 

26860 luddite 2012-08-09 09:16:27 Wow that '70 Biondi Santi Reserva Brunello Di Montalcino is @pats-pwr's birth year wine! He should buy one for 

both of you! Or maybe @Josie can ask her dinner friends for some for both of you :lol: 

26861 BrunelloBob 2012-08-09 09:55:09 If it's pats-pwr’s birth year wine, shouldn't I be buying it for him?.....Sorry, pats, I'm WAY too poor for that. 

(Ludds is right, we need Josie's Sugar-Daddy for this one!) :lol: 

26862 Pats-Pwr 2012-08-09 12:32:11 @Luddite, I think BBob is correct. Someone should be buying that for ME, since it is my birth year wine. I'd be 

more than happy to share with everyone. :-) And BB I understand, $430 is too rich for my blood as well. If I had 

seen it earlier maybe I could have called Josie to make this happen for us. ;-) 

26864 John O' 2012-08-09 18:14:46 looks like you can buy the whole last bottle warehouse for $1,000 + $8 for insurance. 

I think I'll buy 12 of those. 

26869 BrunelloBob 2012-08-10 12:35:34 "Last Bottle loves Robert! Thanks for coming!" 

26870 BrunelloBob 2012-08-10 12:43:09 "Robert, seeing you again makes me want to stand up and do a little jig. Thanks for coming by!" 



26871 BrunelloBob 2012-08-10 12:46:22 "Robert, we are toasting you right now. You're the best!" 


"Wow, Robert, you are looking splendid today! Good to see you here!" 

"Robert, its just a pleasure to see you...." 

Last Bottle is Good for my self-image. 

26872 Pats-Pwr 2012-08-10 12:46:30 @BBob, Last Bottle told me: "John, we are toasting you right now. You're the best!" 

26873 BrunelloBob 2012-08-10 12:53:51 @pats: I think they are toasting Everyone.... 

gotta get an invite to That party... 

26874 Pats-Pwr 2012-08-10 13:59:35 Ah Yes, I see you posted that same Last bottle greeting mere seconds before I did. If you manage to score an 

invite to that party let us know. 

26875 vinmoet 2012-08-11 12:47:29 restoring one's faith in a drink I hereto thought was awful... 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9lfls_oz-and-james-france-ep-6-2-2_shortfilms 

revisiting Oz and James episodes. Love this one. By the way, there are zillions of tiny producers like this that still 

exist, in many appellations. Its all changing there but there are pockets of real, unchanged France. 

26877 McMalbec 2012-08-11 17:02:25 Any thoughts on the Repasso on Woot today? 

26880 louas 2012-08-12 01:20:24 just got back from a friend's house where we enjoyes a great meal and 4-5 bottles of pretty good juice. WOTN? 

CH Lot 103! Napa Meritage. By far. CS/Merlot/Carmeniere. I think I brought it over a few years ago and we 

never got around to drinking it. 

What a treat tonite. 

26881 TonyO 2012-08-12 08:56:21 Mrs TonyO and I spent last evening with Mr and Mrs KarlB...you know some White Burgundy was consumed 

(along with a lobster feast with the rolling Green Mountains as a backdrop)..............perfect! 

26882 wine magnet 2012-08-12 13:21:01 Vinmoet: I've got another opportunity to buy some wine from the 300+ case collection of older Bordeaux, all of 

which have been kept in ideal temps since release. The one which appeals most to me is the '86 Clerc-Milon, at 

$70/btl (case price in yet-to-be-opened case). Any thoughts on it and the following: Mags of: '01 Haut Bergey 

($75), 96 Carmes Haut Brion $90, 93 L'Angelus 118, '92 Leoville las Cases $80/btl (some of which I have and have 

enjoyed in a semi-vertical of 89, 91,92,93, all of which I think have become "over achievers". 




26885 castello 2012-08-13 03:37:32 Josie's sugar daddy checking in. She better not hire a younger landscaper! 

Question for BDude. How much of the closing saramony was lipsincheded? Much of it seemed real time/live to 

me. Of course/coarse I was drinking GRAPPA/tequila and Oregun Pinot Noir!!? Indeed,,, comma I have drifted 

to the lite side of red wine. It must be the heat,,, but I can't pass up a bottle of it. For 30 years I have been a 

Merlowww/cab/syrah/petitesirah/tannat/bonardo/lagrein/carmenere/carignan/zin/verdot/malbec/, heavier the 

better grapes kind of guy but now my whole wine world is upside/down. 

Was that a shooting star, or a Mobius? it could have been Persius 

Hope you folks are doing good. 

26889 vinmoet 2012-08-13 08:16:04 WM: At those price points they all seem tempting. For my palate I've been underwhelmed by the off vintages 

like '92 & '93 but they can surprise. I like the '86 Clerc. Think about that price. Its a quiet, understated 

wine. Had some within the past year and half? If this has been properly stored, then you should be quite 

pleased. I would drink it up within the next few years though. Parker's notes: 

Bordeaux Book, 4th Edition 

Jan 2003 Robert Parker 90 Drink: 2003 - 2010 $99-$240 

"Dark ruby/purple with some pink at the rim, this wine has a super bouquet of sweet, toasty new oak, plums, 

black currants, licorice, and cedar. The wine is concentrated on the palate, rich and powerful, yet atypically soft 

and fleshy for a 1986. While this wine should age well for another two decades, it has matured faster than many 

of the 1986 Pauillacs. Anticipated maturity: Now-2010. Last tasted, 3/00." 

Bordeaux Book, 3rd Edition 

Jan 1998 Robert Parker 90 Drink: 1991 - 2006 $99-$240 

"The 1986 is among the greatest Clerc-Milon in my memory, and continues to represent one of the better values 

of the 1986 vintage. Dark ruby/purple with a super bouquet of sweet, toasty new oak, plums, black currants, 

licorice, and cedar, on the palate, the wine is very concentrated, rich and powerful, yet atypically soft and fleshy 

for a 1986. While this wine should age well for another two decades, it can be drunk much earlier than many of 

26890 Brooks 2012-08-13 09:32:43 castello ..... and the world is in a better place.... castello rated #1 by Grappa drinkers 

I think I was poisoned by spice last night :( 

26893 AdamEmpire 2012-08-13 17:26:27 For those of you looking for best values in 2009 bordeaux, I have update the list here 

http://www.empirewine.com/specials/2009-bordeaux-in-stock-88/ to show newly acquired wines as well as 

consistent favorites. The list is automatically arranged by the best selling wine. Hope its of some use. Thanks! 




26894 BaroloDude 2012-08-13 17:56:39 i think many were live, but a few were synching. But to cut out Ray Davies and The Who from the US broadcast 

is unforgiveable NBC. thanks for cutting out the Muse song though, that was one hot steaming pile of crappola. 

I think Kate Hudson ruins bands when she gets together with the lead singers... 

26895 BrunelloBob 2012-08-13 18:25:54 Really? They cut out Ray Davies and the Who? 

If I had stayed up for nothing, I'd want to Kill someone for that... 

26896 BrunelloBob 2012-08-13 18:26:29 Any Suggestions on the Selyem Fall release? 

26897 wine magnet 2012-08-13 19:44:30 Vinmoet: Thanks for your continuously gracious advice/counsel on things Bordeaux. I went with the ones which 

have the best CT reviews vs. QPR: 9- '92 Leoville las Cases,12- '86 Clerc-Milon, and 6-Magnums of Haut Bergey. 

My LWS owner, who has access to this collection of one of his customers has assured me that should I open any 

of these cases and find any condition issues or bad wine, I am fully protected. The four other Bordeaux from 92, 

93, & 96 which I have bought from this cellar have been in perfect condition and good buys, IMHO. Now I 

have to drive 100 miles RT to pick them up and soon thereafter try drinking them in the company of some other 

Bordeaux fans. I'll probably also open the '90 las Cases I bought but have yet to try. It has some great CT reviews 

26898 castello 2012-08-14 02:00:28 Good call Bdude! Kate Hudson ruins every good dream,,,, smiley face. I don't remember Muse but they were 

prolly forgettable. 

@Bbob. The Who was pretty good on tivo. They did pretty good for some of us old folks. It seemed relevant for 

the Brits. 




26899 vinmoet 2012-08-14 08:33:29 WM: Glad to be of service. Sounds like you have a bit of drinking to do. Have fun. 

Adam: Great idea. Thanks for the list. Of course this mandates my picks from the list... 

Chateau Senjac has, in my opinion, underrated terroir and, as a result is a constant over achiever and a QPR wine. 

I had 3 bottles of the 1945 with one left. My last bottle I took to Bordeaux last harvest season and, talk about 

avoiding travel shock, that wine sung as we drank it with my 92 year old french aunt and my 86 year old French 

mother. So, I have a lot of affection for this Chateau. As far as the '09, this puppy sings. $25? Slam dunk buy. 

Chateau Gloria. I hate the label, don't know why, I just do. Fortunately, you're not buying the wine for the label 

and this is a wine that is another over achiever. This tastes at two or three times the price. Another good buy. 

Chateau Clerc Milon. Remember how everyone kept talking about how Bordeaux prices were too high and they 

were not going to buy futures because they were waiting for some sort of bubble collapse? If you didn't listen to 

VM then, you're now sorry that you didn't buy Clerc in the low forties as recently as 6 months ago. Its now in the 

mid seventies. This is a wine to hold and drink 2020 to 2040 and you will be rewarded. You could drink it earlier, 

but that would be infanticide. I am doing a charitable vertical of Clercs and am not including the 2000 (which is a 

brilliant wine) because its way too young. I think I would research the heck out this wine before taking the 

plunge at this price, yet I concede that it is worth it in the mid seventies. 

26900 TonyO 2012-08-14 13:37:12 Had the sincere pleasure of meeting Ray Davies............a truly great rock and roll moment for TonyO as this guy is 

in rare company and is still performing at a high level. 

26901 BrunelloBob 2012-08-14 13:46:18 T.O.: You're not "Lola", are you? :lol: 

26904 Pats-Pwr 2012-08-14 15:34:15 @TonyO: Jealous! 

26906 BrunelloBob 2012-08-15 15:52:40 Invino's got a 2001 Talenti BdM for $44.99 

Great producer 

A bit of age on it already, another 10 years won't hurt it. 

Good price 




26911 vinmoet 2012-08-16 12:54:34 I cut and paste this as it was a pretty fair summary of where the 2012 Bordeaux vintage is going: 

"In Bordeaux the Merlot has been affected by the mildews and coulure. The winter was dry and March was 

warm, April was cool being -1.4ºC lower than normal maximum temperatures. This meant that bud break was 

around 2 weeks later than in 2011. The first half of May saw temperatures increase but the latter half saw them 

drop around 5ºC along with high rainfall. This continued into early June with the average temperature around 

20ºC which meant that flowering was about 10 days later than the average of the last 20 years according to 

Bordeaux Raisins. The formation of grapes has been patchy with bunches developing at different speeds within 

the same vineyard. 

So far weather conditions have been slightly cooler than the last two vintages and the 2012 harvest is later than 

in 2011 and 2010. The weather forecast for the next 2 weeks looks as if the sun is going to stay out over 

Bordeaux with Saturday 18th August being expected to reach temperatures of 37ºC! 

It looks as if the 2012 vintage is going to be similar to the 2007, which is a good thing in my book. There will 

plenty of good wines available to drink, maybe some superb ones, and if 2012 is not heralded as another 

Bordelaise ‘vintage of the century’ then hopefully the wines will be priced sensibly so that all of us can enjoy 

them." 

26913 Mrpat56 2012-08-17 00:04:19 I generally drink higher end, but this 2005 flavium bierzo seams like a great QPR to me. Under $10 and better 

than many 15-20 dollar wines. Tasty and easy. 

26914 BaroloDude 2012-08-17 12:14:38 Talenti is A#1 ichiban BdM maker! Happi juice! 

the Parusso 01 Barolo on LBW right now is the real deal. Sigh, its still 99 a bottle and FS3... so i will weep and 

pass... the new wine austerity. 

26917 BrunelloBob 2012-08-17 13:04:06 "Happy Juice" :lol: 

I thought that was a term known only in the Bob-household... 

26918 BrunelloBob 2012-08-17 16:04:28 @mr21cbs: Told you it was a Boy... ;) 

26919 mr21cbs 2012-08-17 18:35:41 @BrunelloBob, you are right as almost always. Now the Vaynerchuk name will live forever. Good for them. 

26920 BrunelloBob 2012-08-17 19:49:31 "Almost"? 

:lol: 

26921 mr21cbs 2012-08-17 21:26:10 Let's not get carried away. Almost is pretty good in my book. 

26927 osullfam 2012-08-19 08:59:40 mags of the QPR of the day are at JJB (preorder) for $50. 

26928 TonyO 2012-08-19 10:49:27 tastes just like Cherry Cola....C-O-L-A cola........I just might be Lola.....the world may never know 




26931 TonyO 2012-08-20 18:50:26 I know political talk is generally frowned upon......but....it really was a thrill for me and my 8 year old daughter to 

meet Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan in NH this morning....we got to shake both candidates hand and Paul stopped 

for a great picture with my daughter...quite an experience that she will long remember...now back to all things 

wine related....... 

26936 vinmoet 2012-08-20 22:13:00 Tony O: What a great memory for your daughter, you too! Thanks for posting. 

26938 BrunelloBob 2012-08-21 12:28:04 Kid's probably a yankees fan too... 

x 

Almost bought Cindy's wine today. Then I realized that it will probably show up again later, cheaper. 

26939 BaroloDude 2012-08-21 12:33:35 I just realized i haven't been getting CW emails for a long time now... shows you how much they mattered and 

how much i was paying attention i guess. Anyone else fall off their list? 

TonyO, don't let the smooth taste fool you. ;-) Lets stick to rock and roll and baseball sidebars. Dodgers suck! 

Lizzy Rules! 

26941 BrunelloBob 2012-08-21 13:27:40 Dude: I've fallen off various Wine Library email lists in the past and had a heck of a time getting back on. There's 

been some systems changes since then. Try to go on the site and re-register for e-mails if you want. If you have 

no luck, KMurph has always been helpful with stuff like that. 

I live in Constant fear that I'm going to miss an Anderson Conn Valley style deal :lol: 

26942 vinmoet 2012-08-21 15:44:57 Hey, I saw the '04 Bogedas Ondarre for $13 shipped: 

http://www.weshipwinefree.com/items/detail?itemid=273021 

I've not bought from these guys before. 

26947 vinmoet 2012-08-23 16:26:01 Tap, tap, tap. Anyone out there? Witty remarks? Edgy criticism? Snotty comments? Anything? 

26948 vinmoet 2012-08-23 16:46:10 BBob...I know you love this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYjcNR7W-Ow 

26949 John O' 2012-08-23 17:58:13 @Vinmoet 

In my continuing quest to corner the market in 2009 Bordeaux I bought some: 

2009 Cantemerle Bordeaux 

from JJB. Gaudy scores for $36. 

When (not if) I get divorced, you will be subpoenaed. 

26950 John O' 2012-08-23 18:00:16 Keller Pinot Noir splits for $12 back up on Last Bottle. 

89 pts Cellar Tracker, 94 Rhone Report, 92 me. 




26951 BrunelloBob 2012-08-23 19:49:36 Wow Vinny, What did I do to deserve THAT? 

x 

(karma for finding John O's divorce Funny? :lol: ) 

26952 vinmoet 2012-08-23 21:42:19 Bbob: You did not post. Fail to post again and the Carpenters shall taunt you a SECOND time! 

26953 BrunelloBob 2012-08-24 07:38:43 Vinny: Sometimes me thinks I post too much... 

26956 David T 2012-08-24 20:51:31 For the inmates in/near PA, the PLCB is having a sale this week with some pretty attractive prices, especially on 

Vintage Port. I just made my first purchase from them. Of course that means a trip to the nearest PLCB store an 

hour away to pick it up, but they're also having an in-store booze sale with prices better than Ohio's state stores. 

Surprising but I'm not complaining. 

26966 TonyO 2012-08-26 15:44:27 swung by empire wines (Albany, NY) but Adam was not 

home......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM7jwTyoKcU 

J. Geils at the fair tonight.........Whammer Jammer (yes, please).........Angel is the Centerfold (no thank you,.......) 

video to follow 

26967 TonyO 2012-08-26 16:56:57 speaking of the Carpenters..............Glenn Hughes doing Superstar (one of the most amazing voices in rock 

(former Deep Purple member).... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw8sWBXmhss 

26968 TonyO 2012-08-26 16:59:36 some more Glenn in Black Country Communion.....a great collaboration band.....enjoy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVfMa61Zjmg 

26970 A Frayed Knot 2012-08-26 20:02:54 What ever happened to Rindercella and the Gary Mudfather? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJv_YXIXBsE&feature=player_embedded#! 

26973 mr21cbs 2012-08-28 08:44:39 Hi Everyone, I am back from vacation. The summer is almost over and it is time to pick up some QPRs, switch to 

cooler weather wines, plan for the winter. Our QPR pipeline is dry, so start sending me your newly discovered 

gems or old favorites in new vintages. 

~ 

Do you know of any online stores that ship to Canada, Montreal to be specific? Winelibrary, Empirewine do not 

list Canada, but I do see peeps from Canada in the WL forum, so somehow they get the wine. Cheers! 

26975 BrunelloBob 2012-08-28 10:53:08 I'm pretty sure Canada is a government monopoly and no one is shipping there. 




26976 BrunelloBob 2012-08-28 12:04:54 BTW: 

Montreal Restaurant where I had one of the BEST meals ever about a year ago. Highly recommended. 

http://www.restolegraindesel.ca/ 

26977 mr21cbs 2012-08-28 12:22:33 Well that sucks, how do Canadiens get booze then? They can't possibly shop at stores while there is winter like 

14 months a year. 

26978 Phredd 2012-08-28 14:07:47 If I remember the Squirrel's rantings, the Canadian monopoly will ship anywhere you want, in country. You just 

can't import it yourself. 

26979 mr21cbs 2012-08-28 14:52:14 Phredd, you are correct, and Sir Squirrel confirmed it. Oh well, more wine for us. 

26980 vinmoet 2012-08-28 16:57:00 cbs: I had sent you a number of QPR's over the past, say, 3 weeks? Can't remember what they were but I'm 

hoping you got them? 

26982 McMalbec 2012-08-29 22:15:47 Vin: the "other Gary" has the 2009 Chateau La Vieille Cure at $26.99. Are you familiar with this Bordeaux? 

26984 mr21cbs 2012-08-30 08:57:52 Monsieur Vinmoet, aside from the freshly posted 2009 Château Corbin St. Émilion Grand Cru, I have one more 

QPR recommendation from you in the QPR queue. Your support has been great and very much appreciated. 

~ 

Just wanted to encourage the other inmates to get off their %@^U#$ and share some of the gems they had 

discovered over the summer. 

Cheers! 




26985 vinmoet 2012-08-30 09:11:38 McMalbec: Am familiar with it but have not had the '09. This is one of those QPR favorites of WS and WA that 

seems to get attention in great vintages. I've had the '05 and it was well rated, palatable but lacked depth. Here 

are Parker's notes on the '09: 


Feb 2012 Robert Parker 93 Drink: 2012 - 2027 $24-$40 (27) 

"This property has made so many fine efforts lately that it is difficult to say the 2009 is better than their 2005. 

However, the 2009 is a charming, sexy, dense ruby/purple-colored offering displaying lots of ripe Merlot fruit 

intermixed with hints of charcoal, black raspberries, black currants, lead pencil shavings and truffles. This fullbodied, 

pure, nicely textured and layered Fronsac is a sleeper of the vintage that considerably over-performs for 

its modest price. Drink it over the next 15+ years. This is an obvious great value!" 



"This is typically one of the finest offerings of Fronsac, but I am not convinced the 2009 will eclipse their 

magnificent 2005, although it will certainly give the latter wine a run for its money. The opaque purple-hued 

2009 offers a beautiful aromatic display of camphor, blueberries, acacia flowers, raspberries, and crushed rocks. 

Full-bodied and pure with a nicely layered texture, the vintage’s unctuosity and thickness as well as freshness and 

definition, this sleeper of the vintage is another beauty from La Vieille Cure. It should drink well for 15+ years. 

(Tasted once.)" 

Neil Martin is not a fan, can't explain the discrepancy. Parker tastes numerous times so I would tend to go with 

his notes: 


26986 McMalbec 2012-08-30 12:26:47 Many thanks, Vin. Your thoughtful responses are educational and greatly appreciated. 

26988 vinmoet 2012-08-30 16:01:53 One of many reasons to go to Paris...French Macaroons. http://travel.usatoday.com/deals/inside/story/2012- 

08-30/The-most-scrumptious-pastry-shops-in-Paris/57424638/1 

26989 BrunelloBob 2012-08-30 20:19:36 I ate too many macaroons the night before we flew back from Paris. 

Won't do that again... :oops: 

26991 vinmoet 2012-08-30 22:37:28 Must have been something else BBob, there is no such thing as too many macaroons 

26994 BrunelloBob 2012-08-31 21:44:06 Is T.O. making himself scarce because I called him "Lola" :lol: 

or because he's afraid I'll bring up my new, undying allegience to the Orioles? 

27000 mr21cbs 2012-09-03 09:35:23 Bordeaux 2012 - harvest report: http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/530400/bordeaux-braces-itself-forwinemaker-s-vintage 




27001 vinmoet 2012-09-03 09:53:57 Thanks CBS. I've kept up some early discussion about the vintage on Cindy, but this is the first piece from an 

official review site that discusses it and I will put it up over there. Bordeaux had a very early bloom due to the 

soft winter but it got tagged off by a frost. As a result, they lost part of the crop and the remaining grapes are 

maturing at different times. Then they had a rainy cold summer with a hot August. Cabernet Sauvignon needs 

time in the field and it could very well do nicely but the Merlot ripens earlier and is not going to do well. 

Going back to my mantra, 2009 is opulent, can drink early but age, and its a big crop. 2010 will be more like 2005 

and 2000 and is magical but needs to age and is a smaller crop. 2011 is sporadic, a few places had very good 

conditions, most had one trauma or another ranging from rain, to winds, to hail, to drought. And, 2012 is going 

to be similar to 2007 = yuck. Buy up 2009 guys. 

27002 Julius 2012-09-03 11:27:33 I thought this was the (ex-pat) Cindy board. The other one is the WLTV Forums. 

27003 BrunelloBob 2012-09-03 14:18:16 Wow Cindy, 

Wow 

27004 mr21cbs 2012-09-03 17:52:15 What's so WOW about it? 

~ 

Ex-pat? 

27005 BrunelloBob 2012-09-03 19:59:36 @cbs: Big reputation, big price, big discount. Impressive Cindy could bring a deal like that to the table. Haven't 

had it, but know it by reputation. Wouldn't likely Ever have it, unless at a discount. This is a "vintage be damned" 

deal, BTW,. 

27006 Julius 2012-09-03 20:17:02 Not as good as the Cindy deal for the 2005 vintage offered back in 2009; original WL price $235, Cindy price $100 

(and the wine was outstanding; easily worth the C-note) 

27007 BrunelloBob 2012-09-03 21:01:41 True, and I'd generally take a 2005 Tuscan over a 2003. 

No idea how I missed the deal on the '05. 

27008 BrunelloBob 2012-09-03 21:06:26 Looking at dates, I just realized how I missed the prior offer... 

27009 John O' 2012-09-03 21:19:24 great every day drinker on cindy (based in 2007 vintage and WS rating) 

27011 TonyO 2012-09-03 21:30:09 @BB: I was in your "neck of the woods" over the weekend (Rockport, MA) ...great area but all the whining and 

crying about the Sawks did me in ! 

27012 louas 2012-09-03 21:49:28 Just had a labor day steak and grilled corn dinner with a a really nice bottle of wine that sadly was my last one 

and is gone forever. 

Nicholas Cole Cellars 2006 Camille. Columbia Valley. 59% merlot. 38% Cab Franc. 3% CS. Mouth coating 

deliciousness. 

Hope all you inmates had a a great weekend. I think most of the east coast goes back to school tomorrow. Here 

in AZ the kids have been in school since approx. 8/8. 




27013 mr21cbs 2012-09-03 22:02:35 louas, you are correct, the kids are packing their backpacks for tomorrow. The youngster's kindergarten starts on 

Thursday. Back to the crazy schedule in my household. 

Stay well my friends! 

27016 BrunelloBob 2012-09-04 05:59:17 T.O>: There are no more Sawks--They're all Dodgers now. 

GO ORIOLES! 

27020 john o' 2012-09-04 09:43:46 Inmate No brainer alert 

2009 Ruffino Modus $21 presale at Wine Library. Having very much enjoyed a 2007 last night (Suckling 96), this 

vintage with a Suckling 95 doesn;t require much thought. 

27021 McMalbec 2012-09-04 12:54:26 Thanks for the "heads up", John. Just recieved an email from WL on the 2008 Castell'in Villa Chianti Classico @ 

19.98. Any thoughts on this one? 

27022 mr21cbs 2012-09-04 12:55:39 John O', the 2008 was $16 at Empire. I am still awaiting my bottles due to heat, and not sure how the 2009 will 

show compare to the previous vintages, so I can't comment whether it is a good deal or not... 

27023 john o' 2012-09-04 13:20:12 Mr21CBS 

Haven't tried the '08 either, yet. If you recall, Suckling laid a 96 on the '07. Most believe it is very good, but not 

that good. I am in that camp. As he laid a 95 on the '09, I'm all in. 

27028 McMalbec 2012-09-05 08:29:17 Vin: Back to 2009. JJB is touting theHaut Bergey 

Pessac-Leognan, Bordeaux at $34.50. Are you familiar with this wine/producer. 



27029 vinmoet 2012-09-05 09:08:01 McMalbec 


This is another Chateau showing how marvelous this vintage is. Neil Martin tasted this in January of this year and 

noted that it was closed down in the nose. He gave it very high marks stating that it trailed off a bit in the finish. 

NM91+. While I tend to have a photographic memory for tastes, I just don't remember this one though I have 

tasted it. This is not a rock star producer but has a very solid owner and respectable terroir. Its kind of a QPR 

Chateau. 

The Robert seems to like it: 



"A blend of just over 50% Cabernet Sauvignon and the balance Merlot (last year I mistakenly wrote that the 

balance was Cabernet Franc), the opaque ruby/purple-colored 2009 reveals notes of scorched earth/burning 

embers/charcoal, black currants, ripe cherries and lead pencil shavings. Full-bodied and pure with sweet tannin, 

this is an under-the-radar, high quality claret to drink over the next 20-25 years. 

As powerful and rich as the 2000 and 2010, Haut-Bergey’s 2009 is another of the over-achieving, value-priced 

Bordeaux that are increasingly difficult to find. The estate, which is owned by Helene Garcin (who also owns Clos 

l’Eglise and Barde-Haut, and makes the cult wine, Branon, from a vineyard adjacent to Haut-Bergey), is situated 

near Malartic Lagraviere and Domaine de Chevalier." 



"One of the best over-achieving, value-priced wines in Pessac-Leognan, Haut-Bergey’s vineyard enjoys a superb 

location near Malartic-Lagraviere and Domaine de Chevalier. Composed of 60% Cabernet Sauvignon and the rest 

27037 vinmoet 2012-09-06 15:50:10 This is a link to some footage of the 2011 harvest at Château Grand Mayne, a Saint Emilion Grand Cru located 

adjacent to the Village: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtH3CO_2KSA 

Parker scored the 2011 90-92. The 2009 is 93 points and you can buy it for under $50. Futures 2011 is in that 30 

to 40 range, but I am still pushing the '09. The Château produces a modern styled, flamboyant wine that still 

manages to taste like Bordeaux. Kind of a QPR. But, harvest is a lot of fun and there is NOBODY THERE, no 

tourists, no reviewers. Its a great time to go, and airfare is cheapest after 10/15. 

27038 John O' 2012-09-06 21:59:27 pretty dead. Where's our friend Buffalo Lou gone to? 




27039 mr21cbs 2012-09-06 22:52:31 Hey, John, speak for yourself! I am still here and listening. Got Jade 2003 Syrah and Chateau Suduiraut Sauternes 

2007 from Last Bottle. Anyone else bought anything interesting lately? 

27040 John O' 2012-09-06 23:10:14 thought long and hard about the jade syrah. had to pass on the 6 bottle minimum. 

did pick up the desantis chard on last bottle yesterday. 

27044 mr21cbs 2012-09-07 10:53:31 John O', I split the Jade purchase with a friend. My couple of bottles will be a part of the 2002-2004 vertical. I am 

not a big fan of Chardonnay, but went on the Sauternes. Good reviews on CT, and very reasonably priced. 

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27046 mr21cbs 2012-09-07 12:17:39 BrunelloBob, I feel like you are trying to tell us something... 

27047 BrunelloBob 2012-09-07 14:06:14 Unrelated to any immediate conversation cbs, it's aimed at my Pal T.O. :lol: 

27048 BrunelloBob 2012-09-07 14:11:33 D.T. and Brooks' Killin' me on Ciderella. 

If WL employees are gonna pump up a sub-90 point CT score, I'm glad someone called them out on it. Give Aaron 

credit though, at least he did it in his own name... 

x 

(In for one, what the hell, it's Brunello :) ) 




27049 wine magnet 2012-09-07 16:06:20 mr21cbs: A couple of weekends ago I bought the following from an impeccably kept cellar full of older Bordeaux 

and have begun to try some, with appreciation to Vinmoet for his valuable input: 

12- '92 Leoville las Cases 

12- '93 Leoville las Cases 

12- '86 Clerc-Milon 

6-'01Magnums Haut Bergey 

1- '96 Carmes Haut Brion 

1- '93 L'Angelus 

1- '93 mag of Ducru Beaucaillou 

The Leovilles, Haut Bergey, and the Clerc-Milon have all been enjoyable. Now I have to restrain myself for awhile 

to let my palate recover from such overexposure over a few days. Should some TH inmates find their way to the 

West coast of FL, I might be persuaded to open some more of the ones for which I have duplicates over some 

good food. 

27054 louas 2012-09-08 15:01:16 @JohnO': Good question re: BLou. I have reached out via e-mail, but have received no response. 

27055 BrunelloBob 2012-09-08 18:39:14 WTF, 

Reached for a 2005 Beringer Bancroft Merlot, grabbed and opened a 2007 Reserve Cab instead. Great wine, 10 

years too soon. I can't afford to waste bottles like this, Shoot me as a Fool. 

27056 TonyO 2012-09-08 20:08:52 just passing through..............America's greatest contribution to rock and roll doing a great cover of an Animal's 

song......enjoy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x6chChxzV0 

27057 kommander kaos 2012-09-08 20:48:08 The kommander, along with many others also misses boatswain mate blou. Perhaps he feels he was dissed due 

to the response months and months ago regarding the treatment he received following his honest thoughts on 

the (c) ommander in chief. The kommander for one totally understands boatswain mate blou and miss his wine 

and life reports. Kaos out....... go romney 

27058 TonyO 2012-09-08 20:54:41 @KK......nice sentiment 




27062 David T 2012-09-09 11:26:56 @BBob I call 'em like I see 'em. Can't say the same for the replacement NFL refs. 

@wine magnet I don't have any current plans for FL travel, but I've never had a birth year wine and the '86 would 

fit that bill. Between you & Bern's I may have to fix that. 

This weekend is the first true fall weather we've had in Cleveland, and although I'll miss summer, fall is probably 

my favorite season due to the bounty of fresh local produce and the fact that I can pour a white, rose, red, 

bourbon or beer with the weather/football munchies and be plenty happy. 

I don't think I've posted anything about it here previously, but anyone who wants a nice QPR rec from an under 

the radar winery in the far, far north of California, check out http://halconvineyards.com/ I really liked their 09 

Alturas Syrah and went all in on the '10 pre-sale (link on the front page) as everything I've read online from those 

who have tried both the '09 & '10 say the 10 is even better. I would recommend picking up at least the 3pack 

sampler to give them a try for $90 w/ fs. 

FWIW both myself and RDHudak have also tried to contact Lou via both Facebook and email (& Rick also by 

phone) and did not hear a "chirp" 

27073 SCKen 2012-09-11 15:02:01 Though I haven't posted in a long time, I have been checking in every now and then to see how all the Crazies are 

doing. I'm disappointed and concerned to see BLou has gone missing. I truly hope everything is okay with him. 

27074 luddite 2012-09-11 17:17:53 @SCKEN: Welcome back! 

I come today seeking the wisdom of this group. My wife and I are heading to San Fran for Thanksgiving. Our 7 

year old daughter will be going with us. We are hoping to spend that Saturday in Napa, but I understand some 

wineries are not child friendly. With that in mind, any suggestions on wineries we should visit? What I am really 

looking for are wineries that are child friendly, maybe not well-known, and produce great Cabernets. 

As for @BLou, my theory is that he must be doing OK since he is still posting TNs to cellartracker on a regular 

basis. :D 



27075 NaH 2012-09-11 18:41:13 SC KEN 


Here is a website for Napa wineries. You can find listings of family friendly places, dog friendly, etc. 

http://www.napavintners.com/wineries/ 

Have fun! 

27079 BuffaloLou 2012-09-12 16:12:57 HELLOOOOOO INMATES! Yes, I am alive and well. Thank you all for your concern. luddite... You are correct sir; I 

may have been taking a leave of absence, but I continued posting TNs on CT. 

I have been recharging my batteries; enjoying some R&R; Exploring the new (to me) world of fine beer; still 

working on reducing the cellar; camping; and most importantly, spending a lot of time with the family over the 

Summer. 

Note to Brooks: Been trying some of my Haven's stash. Been drinkin' GREAT of late! The '06 "H" Cab Sauv is 

quite nice, esp given the purchase price. The '06 Merlot (reg bottling) is at a beautiful spot now. When I have a 

quite evening, I think I'll pop a "B" and give a try. 

Re: beer. One word: Triples! (or 'tripel' if you prefer) 

Macaroons... I think they are underrated. Almost as good as cannoli. Almost heaven. 

More soon! 


good to have you back. 

27081 McMalbec 2012-09-12 17:14:22 Welcome back Lou! 

27082 David T 2012-09-12 18:54:33 @BLou Good to see you back! Speaking of Tripels, remind me if I gave you any of the Rockmill? I know I did to 

Rick. If not I will the next time I'm up your way. http://rockmillbrewery.com/ 




27083 wine magnet 2012-09-12 21:35:08 Welcome back BLou. I knew you couldn't be too derailed because of your CT posts in recent weeks, one of which 

on 8/31 prompted me to take a Havens Merlot to our regular blind tasting the next day. It was enjoyed by all in 

attendance. 

For dinner Sat with some friends from our Sat tasting, among other wines we opened a CH Lot 179, an '05 

Havens Bourriquot, an '86 Clerc-Milon, and a '93 Leoville las Cases. While the old Bordeaux were great, the 

wines from Michael Havens really got some rave reviews, and they were opened after we finished the Bordeaux. 

Of course the revealed price of the Havens creations really made a favorable impression on all. 

27084 TonyO 2012-09-12 21:41:41 Hey Hey !! Well, last night was a GREAT night...wine dinner with Dave Adelsheim (Oregon winemaker)......great 

food , great wine, and great company (Mrs. TonyO ) and a blessing to be able to enjoy such an evening on the 

11th year since the haunting events of 9/11/2001............... 

So to one and all....Summer is over so lets kick this thing in the a** with stories of bean bag chairs, old rusty 

buses, garden parties, and general acts of debauchery...........politics, sports, and religion are better left at the 

reception desk at Trembling Hills !! Let's crank this %&&*(*( thing up to 11 !!!! 

P.S. Adelsheim makes a killer Rose ! 

27085 TonyO 2012-09-12 21:45:19 and what would a TH Party be without some tunes............... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzjoqpTqSR4 

27086 RDHudak 2012-09-12 22:08:49 Glad to see you back Lou, but it would have been polite to at least respond to messages. Hope all is well. 



27087 BuffaloLou 2012-09-12 22:25:31 Thanks all. 


Just back from another Scout meeting. Yes, September is here which means Scout meetings resume. Monthly 

camping, too! In fact, two campouts in September; the last two weekends of the month. Good news: I'll be 

spending extra quality time with Scout Alex. Bad news: Less time with Mrs. BLou. 

@DT - Have not had the Rockmill. Domestic Triple? 

@Wine Mag - Good to hear about your experience with the Havens Merlot! 

(https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=777901) Thanks for the info on the CH Lot 179 and ’05 Havens 

Bourriquot. I'll have to try one of each soon. Tonight, another '06 Havens Merlot. Beautifully balanced. Nice 

fruit and those sweet tannins! In fact, I had a half bottle left over from last night. Mrs. BLou and I split it with 

dinner. It held over very nicely! (And I didn't do anything special, just stuck the cork partially in.) 

Hey TO! Long time, no talk! ;) Any TNs on the Adelsheim Rose'? 

So, what's everyone drinking tonight? 

27088 BuffaloLou 2012-09-12 22:34:01 @Rick - Sorry. Will be in touch. 

27089 kommander kaos 2012-09-12 22:36:58 The kommander is also please to see lt.lou back on station 

The kommander will also point out to ensign hudak that 

perhaps when the details emerge regarding lt.lou's klandestine special ops mission he will understand the 

reasons for radio silence. 

Your kommander writes this message while 3/4s of the way through a 2007 stags leap pettite syrah. Wonderful 

balance of intense dark fruit followed with some serious tanins. He is kurious as to how the remaining 1/4 will 

drink tomorrow. 

On a serious note... 

May God Bless The United States Of America 

after the past 24 hours, she needs all our prayers. 

kaos out 



27090 kommander kaos 2012-09-12 22:40:06 The kommander is also please to see lt.lou back on station 

The kommander will also point out to ensign hudak that 

perhaps when the details emerge 


regarding lt.lou's klandestine special ops mission he will understand the reasons for radio silence. It should be 

known that the lieutenant successfully penatrated the Havens wharehouse 

Your kommander writes this message while 3/4s of the way through a 2007 stags leap pettite syrah. Wonderful 

balance of intense dark fruit followed with some serious tanins. He is kurious as to how the remaining 1/4 will 

drink tomorrow. 

On a serious note... 

May God Bless The United States Of America 

after the past 24 hours, she needs all our prayers. 

kaos out 

27091 BuffaloLou 2012-09-12 22:56:50 @kk - re: 2007 stags leap pettite syrah - Nice! I have not had the pleasure of tasting this nectar. This reliable 

producer is on my 'go to' list for petite sirah/syrah. I, too, am curious to know how it is tomorrow. 

Indeed, kaos, God Bless the USA! 

27092 vinmoet 2012-09-12 22:59:17 Blou: WELCOME HOME! 

Kaos, if its so good, why leave any behind? 

27093 vinmoet 2012-09-12 23:01:25 Kaos, Patton never left anyone behind. Get back on duty and finish that wine. 

27094 BuffaloLou 2012-09-12 23:17:10 @vinny - TY! 

@kk - I must agree with pvt Vinny; why leave any behind? (That is, of course, unless you're kommanding the ship 

tomorrow!) 

27095 BuffaloLou 2012-09-13 00:52:00 Now on WTSO: Castlebank Zinfandel 2010 Old Vines 'Giulia's' Vineyard. I have the '07 and '08 of this. Very nice. 

Def worth $13. 

27096 NY Pete 2012-09-13 01:43:13 wow. with kaos and the louche back, there goes the tranquility of the neighborhood. oh well. 

27097 mr21cbs 2012-09-13 08:45:46 Welcome to everyone who decided to come out of the summer hibernation. I am delighted to see your fancy 

scribbling. Was contemplating to shut this poppy down, as it was getting lonely around here. 

Cheers! 




27098 luddite 2012-09-13 09:31:39 @BLou: Welcome back! Were you away so long that you forgot @TonyO's rule about using the "S" word (it's 

verboten in the Hills)? 

27099 Julius 2012-09-13 11:59:21 Wine A: 9 of 14 TN's on consecutive dates, "Consistent with prior tastings." 

Wine B: 6 of 12 TN's on consecutive dates. "Consistant with prior tastings." 

Wine C: 6 of 13 TN's on consecutive dates. "Consistant with prior tastings." 

Wine D: 4 of 9 TN's on consecutive dates. "Consistant with prior tastings." 

Wine E: 7 of 12 TN's within ~2 months. "Consistant with prior tastings." 

You get the point. Gotta get those CT TN #'s up. Old habits are hard to break. 

27101 luddite 2012-09-13 15:54:29 Today's Ship4Free looks like it should have sailed a couple of years ago! Someone tell me if I'm wrong... 

27102 BuffaloLou 2012-09-13 18:42:10 Merryvale 'Profile' 2009 on WTSO now. $130. 

@ludds - Indeed, I was out of practice and the rule slipped my mind. I will make amends with his honor, Judge 

TO. Looks like I'll have to work on that off-line he and I briefly discussed... 

27103 BuffaloLou 2012-09-13 18:44:54 Forgot to mention that Mrs. BLou and I enjoyed another '06 Havens Merlot with dinner. It's really in it's prime 

now. Been enjoying these all this week with, ahem, consistant results. 

27104 David T 2012-09-13 19:34:50 It's interesting to see the changes even 1-2 years can make on one's palate. A year or two ago I was loving S 

Rhone, and buying heavily in the over-rated 07 vintage. Now... it's kind of hit or miss. Some I certainly still enjoy, 

others I'm finding hot and lacking structure (across vintages). I decided I'm going to spend the next few weeks 

drinking down (or drain pouring if not good) some of my S Rhone stash. It makes me question how much of the 

reportedly great 09/10 vintages to buy. This week I had the 07 Domaine Fond Croze Côtes du Rhône Cuvée 

Romanaise from TSO, which could be any Aussie fruit bomb. Tonight I popped the 07 Domaine Moulin-Tacussel 

CdP from Cindy which is nice but not wow. Has anyone else experienced anything similar recently? 

I'm still trying to figure out exactly where my palate's at right now, other than I'm finding that I prefer my reds on 

the younger side and in whites I don't mind oak as much as I thought, it's malolactic fermentation that I dislike 

and anything with high acidicy I love. 

27105 David T 2012-09-13 19:49:51 Completely unrelated but I had called our trash company for a bulk pickup tomorrow for items left from the 

previous owners of our house. Within an hour of us setting them out, two different pickup trucks pulled up 

& people jumped out and grabbed both the old rusty falling apart wheelbarrow and broken pool 

filter/pump I had set out. I really guess one man's trash is another's treasure. I'm assuming the metal, even if 

rusted is worth enough to actively seek out these days? 

27107 RDHudak 2012-09-13 20:22:11 No need. 

27108 TonyO 2012-09-13 21:08:04 anyone know where I can purchase a 2001 Opus One ? Trying to facilitate a local buyer..thanks in advance ! 




27109 BrunelloBob 2012-09-13 21:34:35 IrishTony: You know about winesearcher.com, right? ;) 

27111 BuffaloLou 2012-09-13 22:58:37 Tonight we tried an '09 Ocaso Malbec (Mendoza, Argentina). Had the reserve of this before. For the couple of 

extra dollars, go with the reserve. Nothing wrong with this bottling, but the reward for the couple extra $ is 

worth it. This was only $13, and the reserve is about $15-$16 locally. 

27117 BuffaloLou 2012-09-14 10:07:36 Last call wines (lastcallwines.com) has 2009 Phelps Insignia for $159, FS/1. 

Professional reviews: 

Wine Advocate 96 Points 

"The 2009 Cabernet Sauvignon Insignia is a big, generous wine that covers the palate with waves of dark red 

fruit. Today it is beautifully expressive and opulent yet also well balanced. An explosive finish rounds things out in 

style. This looks to be a relatively approachable Insignia. Floral, spicy notes round out the finish. In 2009 the 

blend is 83% Cabernet Sauvignon, 13% Petit Verdot and 4% Merlot. Anticipated maturity: 2014-2029. 

Stephen Tanzer's International Wine Cellar 94 Points 

"Good deep ruby. Rich but youthfully stunted aromas of plum, currant, chocolate, licorice and mint. Then plush, 

fine-grained and sweet on the palate, with excellent fat and a loamy complexity to the flavors of blackcurrant, 

dark chocolate and graphite. This has evolved nicely since I tasted it a year ago from barrel. In a distinctly 

generous style but structured for a long life in bottle. Finishes with gripping, tongue-saturating tannins and 

terrific chocolatey length." 

Wine Spectator 92 Points 

"A solid core of fruit, with currants, minerals, fresh mint, and stones. Full bodied and chewy. The mid palate 

should fill in later." 

27118 David T 2012-09-14 11:11:30 @Lou That'll save ya a whole penny per bottle off the WineLibrary price ;) (though that's on pre-sale not in stock, 

but also w/ FS) 

BTW yes the Rockmill is a domestic Tripel, brewed right here in OH 

27119 NY Pete 2012-09-14 13:34:52 Rick Hudak is the man. 

that is all. 




27120 BaroloDude 2012-09-14 14:24:11 Checking in. Been in Ottawa for biz... beautiful weather this time of year. Great pub and restaurant scene there 

too. 

Off to Boston, ARlington and probably Asia again soon... I love it when folks hand me the wine list to order for 

the table... 

BLOU: my fave Tripel... Tripel Karmeleit i get it at Bevmo or Whole Foods. Check it out. Strong stuff be warned. 

SCKen... in the last few years i have had to find such kid friendly wineries too, for my 2 then 3 now 4 year old, and 

my new baby girl. I find most websites clearly state "no kids allowed" if they don't want kids, and if they don't 

state it, its usually ok. A few i have found to be very kid friendly: 

- Corison (even have a picnic bench outside to eat lunch..this is rarely allowed in Napa due to laws to limit the 

Sattui phenomenon)... 

- Silenus (a collective of winemakers sharing a common facility and tasting room...just off Hwy29 near Yountville, 

just south of Hoffman Lane...they have picnic tables too and bocce ball there to play for free...a dozen wineries, 

some very good wine and if you buy a bottle you go out to the picnic tables and eat your lunch with your new 

bottle...great!)... 

- Elyse (on Hoffman Lane, near Silenus... very informal tasting room, dogs hanging out, GREAT wine and many to 

taste)... 

- Failla (off Silv Trail near Calistoga, more sonoma coast PN and Chard and Syrah, made in Napa facility... great 

stuff... need rezzie... tasting in a nice casual lodge type building, very friendly... nice to break up the Napa cab 

lineup of tastings by going here) 

There's a starter of places. If you get over to RRV, go to Lynmar...very friendly for kids too. 

27121 wine magnet 2012-09-14 15:49:55 DavidT: I don't know what Southern Rhones you are drinking and not enjoying, but on successive nights 

(Wed/Thurs) this week I opened a 2007 Château Pesquié Côtes du Ventoux Terrasses for guests and everyone 

loved it. It was quite a buy at $15 delivered by WL! Last night over dinner, I also opened an '07 Domaine du 

Pégaü Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Réservée, which was a touch better IMHO, but only marginally. I will finish 

the CdP tonight after it has been resting under gas since last night. I may take another Pesquie' to our Sat blind 

tasting tomorrow, the theme of which is "anything French", which means I will probably contribute 4 or more 

bottles. 

27122 BaroloDude 2012-09-14 16:06:30 @ DavidT... Southern Rhone and stolen pharmaceuticals do not mix! THey are destroying your taste buds! 

Now if you are going to continue with the illicit behavior, i would pair the painkillers with a nice aged Barolo 




27124 john o' 2012-09-14 16:18:04 I know Syrah is down and out on the market but a good one can be really good. 

2006 McCrea Syrah Ciel du Cheval Vineyard 

2005 Sarah's Vineyard Syrah Besson Vineyard 

2007 DeLille Cellars Syrah Doyenne 

27125 TonyO 2012-09-14 16:59:28 Syrah.....had an 2009 Adelsheim Calkins Lane Vineyard the other nighty paired with grilled beef tenderloin and 

roasted tomato ragout........excellent....they make a really nice Rose of Pinot Noir as well (killer with some corn 

meal crusted oysters........).........both wines are finally available here in VT........................ 

27127 John O' 2012-09-14 18:15:09 just sayin,,, 

anyone else notice the return of BuFfLou has coincided with revitalization of the Board? 

27128 luddite 2012-09-14 18:51:43 @John O: Tis true! Now if only, to quote TonyO, it wasn't a total "sausage fest." :( 

27129 BuffaloLou 2012-09-14 19:31:20 @BDude - Thank you for the recommendation on the Tripel Karmeleit. I believe have one in the cellar, but 

haven't popped it... yet. With your rec, I'll get to it sooner rather than later. (I buy at least one of every 

Tripel/Triple I find, just to try. I picked this up recently, but know nothing abou tit.) 

@John O: I loves me some Syrah! 

@John O, pt 2: :) 

@Ludds, and all: Did Josie pop in while I was on hiatus? We haven't heard from her in ages! Her posts are 

missed. 

Finishing the last glass of the 2009 Ocaso Malbec from last night. The nose died, but the palate... The fruit 

forward mellowed and allowed the more subtle flavors to come forward. Earth & leather. (Maybe that 

would make a good Stevie Nicks song? Oh... ) The mixed black fruits have become mostly blackberry. Not better; 

not worse; just different. Breathing for tonight: '94 Eisele Vineyards Cab Sauv. (I'm not expecting the 

experience I had recently when I popped a '97 of the same. That was amazing! BL95) 

As I type this, Guy Ferri is talking about Tur-Duc-in. One of the best foods I've ever tried! My mother, before she 

passed, used to bring them up from Louisiana for me. Un-freaking-believable! I've made my own, but couldn't 

duplicate as I do not have access locally to the high quality andoullie for the stuffing. 

Well, I have to get a little work done. I'll check back later. Cheers! 




27130 BuffaloLou 2012-09-14 19:32:37 P.S.: @John O - it's not me. It's September. Summer is over. Everyone's schedule is calming down and they're 

returning "home"! But thank you for the compliment. 

27131 BaroloDude 2012-09-14 20:00:54 @Luddite.... have fun watching your bucks beat up on my bears this weekend. We never play well when we 

travel east and play at effectively 9am in the morning... plus, we really stink this year. 

27132 jovino 2012-09-14 20:51:23 I was curious about the "german cellar" at Garagiste and came here to see if anyone had opined. I see from the 

notes that interest has dropped these last months. Now that I work in the office, I don't find myself chatting that 

often. I would be quite sad if I checked in and the rambling had stopped. I was tempted buy the garagiste offer, 

but I've reminded myself that I don't drink much German wine, and since I won't be selling, retail value is 

irrelevant, so I passed. I do wonder what people will get. 

27133 BuffaloLou 2012-09-14 22:41:13 @jovino - I usually delete (I should un-subscribe) Garagiste's offers as I do not like their shipping prices. I find 

them cost prohibitive. That said, a good German Riesling rocks! They're my favorite whites, especially when offdry. 

Balanced sweet and acid is an amazing combination, IMO. I don't know what was offered but it might be 

worth consideration. That said, remember the shipping... 

27134 wine magnet 2012-09-15 01:46:59 @ Jovino & BuffLou: I am also intrigued by the garagiste offer, mostly for the chance at a unique experience 

amongst friends since my German wine experience is almost nil. While their shipping to FL is expensive 

($39/case for 2 cases I have waiting for cool weather) compared to say, lastbottle, which offers free shipping 

with minimum purchases or $31.20/case additional for cold shipping during hot months, I have still felt my 

garagiste selections were worth the $3+/btl by the case shipping cost. For a 3 bottle pack, I suspect the shipping 

might be around $6/btl. 

I hope some German wine fans will provide some kind of guidance here. 

27136 luddite 2012-09-15 08:17:46 Seeing as how they're mystery German wines @ $90 per bottle and ranging anywhere from 1864 to 1988 (and 

none of them guaranteed due to age) I would recommend only lottery players take a chance on hitting that 

$10,000 bottle hinted at :D 

27138 BuffaloLou 2012-09-15 14:43:56 Re: garagiste - $39/case for 2 cases - That's not too bad. They were higher when I last purchased from them. 

@ludds - "mystery German wine" @$90 - hmmm... Don't think I'd go in either, but it could be an opportunity to 

pick up something with some age on it for a reasonable price. 

27140 luddite 2012-09-15 15:45:01 @BD: Either you're being overly harsh on your Bears or it's going to be a long season for Brutus and crew :( Only 

for want of a field goal kicker did the Bears lose this game. 

27141 louas 2012-09-15 19:13:18 Just got back from a week in NY. Great 2 c u back BLou! 




27142 jovino 2012-09-15 20:43:20 @B-Lou - I have no business buying anything from garagiste at this point. I have made at least 10 purchases to 

date and have received none. This in itself does not reflect badly on them, as I am signed for shipping on 

demand and I haven't demanded any shippine (I'm quite grateful for the free storage). They only recommend 

shipping to TX between November and March. However, they have told me that they will ship using my FedEx 

account and will not charge me a thing. This seems extremely generous given the high cost of wine shipper, the 

labor in shipping and all the free storage. Lou, I know you have decent FedEx rates (mine are very very good), so 

I'm worried that you had that experience. I asked twice and was told the free handling both times, but most 

things that seem to good to be true, usually are. Mostly, I think it is foolish to make multiple purchases from a 

source with no positive experiences to back them up. 

NOW, if you really want to get me going, ask me how rediculous the "mystery wine" offers are. From what I can 

tell, the discounts are the same or worse than what is typically offered by cindy, lastbottle, etc. That means that 

people would pay more for a wine blind than they would for the same wine if you told them what it was before 

27143 RDHudak 2012-09-15 20:59:04 I am not a big Garagiste fan and agree that their shipping can be exorbitant, but the Mystery Wines have all be a 

home run, for me. For example, the Nicholas Cole Camille '04 was my all time greatest QPR at $17, but 

Winelibrary had the '05 for around $25 on Cindy. I also thought the other MW purchases I made were all solid, 

unlike their other recommendations. 

27144 jovino 2012-09-15 22:03:21 @RDH - Your experience gives me hope. I did take advantage of the 25% restocking fee by cancelling my order 

for the infamous MW #22. The woman on the phone told me it isn't nearly as bad as the CT notes would have 

you believe, but I am way overstocked to hope for the best on wine that has been roundly slammed. 

@B-Lou - I just saw your reference to tur-duc-in posted below. You have the wrong Canadian neighbor city. Au 

Pied de Cochon in Montreal is a must try lovers of decadence. Their duck in a can defies imagination, and their 

seared foie gras over bacon and pancakes, with maple syrup is simply as good as comfort food gets (unless you 

are a goose, or a PETA type and then it is very uncomforable). 




27146 louas 2012-09-16 01:49:40 @Jovino: I've had 5 mystery wines (18, 20, 27, 28, 30) and have been satisfied with all of them, so cheer up. 

Shipping works out to just under 3/bottle for me to Tucson. I'd feel confident saying all the wines I've gotten 

from them 

are not available locally so it works for me. I do like your J. Peterman reference and think it fits. 

In general I have backed way off wine purchases. There is always something else tomorrow or next week, etc. 

The urgency I used to feel has gone away for the most part. 

@RDHudak: Double ditto on the 04 Camille. 

27148 John O' 2012-09-16 05:59:42 Garigiste gets hammerred mercilessly on Wine Berserkers for their Mystery Wines. I only ordered one, MW23, 

which turned out to be a 2006 Ramey Larkmead Vinyd Cab. 

That was a home run and a half. 

This new German grab bag offerring has caveat emptor written all over it. Any offer that starts with: "I could 

make a lot more selling it to..... (paraphrased)", causes me to run. 

27149 John O' 2012-09-16 06:10:50 One last comment on Garigiste, it's been noted, and from personal observation confirmed, that when Jon cites a 

range of scores on a Mystery Wine, it's always at the low end. For example: 

If he says the "it scored over 90 by a major critic", that means it scored 91 (seemingly never 92 or more). If he 

says it scored between 92 and 95, that means it scored 92. 

Not capital offenses by any means, just feels a tad bit oily when you see it over and over again. 

27154 BuffaloLou 2012-09-16 23:57:29 Tonight, an old Cindy offer: '06 Soos Creek Artist Series "Red Wine". Damn fine juice! I think this is in a sweet 

spot now and won't be improving any more. Drink up! 

27155 BuffaloLou 2012-09-17 00:04:13 "Unless you're catatonic, you can't stand still and listen to Lynyrd Skynyrd play the instrumental part of Freebird." 

~Charlie Daniels 

27157 vinmoet 2012-09-17 10:17:46 OK, there is going to be a private screening of this in New York on 10.15 with Tribeca Cinema. Who's got the 

connections to get us in? 

http://www.ayearinburgundy.com/ 

27159 BrunelloBob 2012-09-17 12:17:36 2003 E. Guigal Hermitage $43.95 on Empire Ship 4 

if you're into that kind of thing... 

27160 vinmoet 2012-09-17 14:10:04 This is a link to an "extra" that the website offers which shows part of the film: 

http://www.ayearinburgundy.com/extras/ 

To quote Billy Crystal (and I rarely do), this looks marvelous. 



27161 TonyO 2012-09-17 18:23:22 Last Night's Lineup: (in order if I remember correctly): 


2010 Red Newt Cellars Dry Riesling: very good as always....such a tragedy that the chef/winery owner passed in a 

horrible car accident in 2011 (had met with her earlier in the week here in Vermont).... 

2004 Grasberg Bergheim....I lve this wine...a bit too sweet for others 

2009 Ravenswood Teledeschi Zinfandel.......very good 

2007 Villa Fidelia Sportoletti........nice simple Italian Red 

2009 Buehler Napa Zin...liked this better than the Ravenswood 

2003 Ascent Syrah Sierra Foothills, Domaine De La Terre Rouge.........KILLLER !!!! 2003 and vibrant as hell....WOW 

! 

2004 Dutschke Willow Bend ....tired in my opinion (sucked after the Ascent ) 

2005 Cain Concept The Benchland (58% Cab Sav, 18% Merlot, 17% Cab Franc, 7% Petit Verdot = 100% KICK ASS ! 

...great bottle to end the night with...decanted and drank ....loved it !! 

Wow, a whole post about wine!! 

27162 BrunelloBob 2012-09-17 19:26:41 BY YOURSELF?!?! 

27163 Julius 2012-09-17 19:37:30 @BrunelloBob - ROTFLMAO 

27164 TonyO 2012-09-17 19:58:06 @BB........now that was funny!.......us Irish like to drink, but we are only human ! 

P.S. ....my wife had a glass of the Riesling 

27166 wine magnet 2012-09-17 20:52:58 @TonyO: Well, your wife is welcome anytime at one of our Sat. tastings. You, based upon your divulged 

consumption, might have to pass...or be restrained. 

27167 TonyO 2012-09-17 22:09:33 @wine magnet....but I am well behaved (most of the time....) 

27168 TonyO 2012-09-17 22:16:12 TonyO on the move .....Foxwoods Thurs/Fri., NYC Sat/Sun, Florida Tues/Wed. and my Father's wedding Frid/Sat 

in "very" upstate, NY (aka Plattsburgh)....exhausting but fun !! 

27169 wine magnet 2012-09-17 22:42:01 TonyO: Your pledge of good behavior (most of the time) might get you an invite for some wine drinking/food 

should your trip to FL next week include the Tampa/St. Pete area. I can probably find some well behaved Italians 

to join in welcoming a Vermonter. Amongst us, we can probably find some Riesling, should Mrs. TonyO be 

accompanying you. 




27170 BuffaloLou 2012-09-17 23:05:15 @TO - Now that's "up-up-up-upstate"! Is a ferry trip mandatory for you? 

@TO, pt 2 - Have a great time! 

@TO, pt 3 - Ever get further West in the state, you know, past Albany? 

@TO, pt 4 - re: 2005 Cain Concept The Benchland - Nice!! Sounds like you had a nice Sunday night! 

@wine mag - I think all of our wives would be welcomed before we are! LOL! 

Frackin' Cindy... bringing more Finca Sandoval the day I pre-order the Halcon. Oh well, seems like old times! 

LOL! 

Not much else to report tonight. Busy day and night, so not much on the wine front. Time to unwind with a 

beer, listen to some Hendrix, and go to bed... 

27171 BuffaloLou 2012-09-18 00:18:21 And we have a pumpkin! No surprise. 


Good call on the Soos Creek. Enjoyed my last bottle last night (and tonight I expect). 

27173 John O' 2012-09-18 06:36:04 I asked the following question on Wine Berserkers: 

I find myself opening and finishing a bottle too many times. Usually because it's good and I don't want to drink a 

diminished version the next day (or I just want more than 2 glasses). Is there a vessel (say 375ml), other than a 

split specifically made to immediately pour off half an open bottle and quickly seal it. Out of sight, out of mind as 

they say. 

The feedback was there isn't but that a split sealed right away and refrigerated should work fine. I've been doing 

this and it does seem to be a good solution. 

27174 luddite 2012-09-18 07:52:18 @John O': I've been using the split's and also 1/3 (250 ml) method for some time now. Here's the article that led 

me to it: 

http://www.sfgate.com/wine/article/Can-this-wine-be-saved-Methods-of-preserving-an-3232805.php 




27175 Brooks 2012-09-18 08:06:52 Marbles...you don't have enough John....that use to be a problem for me too....but I went back to my parents 

home and got some...the glass marbles that we had over 40 years ago... after you pour your extra large pour, 

gently drop the marbles into the 750ml bottle until the wine rises to the neck...insert cork...place in frig...(TonyO 

can just place bottle near window Nov to April) I guess what we learned in college about chemistry does 

work...that surface area, pressure, temperature and time do matter ..caution do not drink marbles on night #2.. 

however if you can't get glass marbles...synthetic marbels will not work...invite a friend over to discuss a solution 

to the problem...when they come over bring out two wine glasses ;) Cue up the Beatles White Album. My guess 

you will be fine. 

I M Fletcher 

PS Prof. Luddite may also have the answer too, but I worry that pouring the wine outta original bottle exposes 

the wine to air...just drink the entire bottle 

27176 BrunelloBob 2012-09-18 08:39:25 With the size of my pours, I don,'t usually get more than two glasses out of a bottle anyway.... 

27177 TonyO 2012-09-18 09:16:43 @ wine magnet: solo trip to Amelia Island (Jacksonville area) and will only be in the Sunshine State for 24.5 

hours...the invite is appreciated, maybe next time! 

27179 vinmoet 2012-09-18 15:28:56 2009 Chateau Latour Martillac 

A big, smokey, dark, fruit laden beast that need serious decanting or another half decade plus of time but will be 

magical in two decades. At less than $50 its stealing. VM90 RP93 WS92. 

27180 vinmoet 2012-09-18 15:33:14 2009 Chateau Franc-Mayne 

Medium bodied, bright and dark red fruits, and early accessibility with the legs to go a couple of decades. At $45 

or less a smart buy. VM90 RP90 WS91 JS93. 

27181 vinmoet 2012-09-18 15:39:11 2009 Fontenil 

A Merlot dominated Fronsac. Big & fleshy not complex but a taste the critics love. For the short to medium 

term, not the long haul. A great $25 QPR. VM89 RP92 WE92 WS91 JS91 

27182 vinmoet 2012-09-18 15:44:36 2009 Chateau Meyney 

Love this over achiever. Love Saint Estephe. Classic dark fruit & earth. Big and balanced. Crazy good for 

under $35! Early accessibility, the legs to last a couple of decades, plus. VM90 RP92 JS93 NM90. 



27183 NY Pete 2012-09-18 18:32:04 paging BrunelloBobby 


the other Gary has this available at a one day only deal price of 32.99 

http://www.garyswine.com/fine_wine/italy/03982.html 

the coupon code is POGGIODEAL 

27184 RDHudak 2012-09-18 21:34:45 '07 Soos Creek Artist tonight. Sooo smooth, but not as tasty as the '06. 

27186 BuffaloLou 2012-09-18 22:18:10 @Vinny - Chateau Meyney has been one of the French wines I've been buying on and off for quite a few years. 

Good price on it at the duty free. French wine at a reasonable price! 

Tonight: Another old Cindy offering: Montirius Gigondas Terre Des Aines 2005. Been breathing for only about 

15 minutes now. Very fruit forward on the pnp with silky smooth tannins. Much better than the first bottle I 

popped (it was flawed/oxidized.) 

27192 mr21cbs 2012-09-19 11:08:38 Am I being impolite for posting a QPR that is not available, at least in the vintage that I had posted? What is the 

QPR etiquette? 

27193 vinmoet 2012-09-19 11:18:06 cbs: These are the Hills. There is no etiquette here. But, if there were, I'd suggest posting something that was 

available. However, you sir, can do no wrong here. 

Also, you saw a where I posted string of recommended QPRs. I was punching these up whilst in a conference call 

and did not realize that I was posting them here instead of submitting them to you. They were intended to be a 

fresh batch of QPRs for you. Did not catch the error until some time later. I'll try to come up with some others 

down the road. So much for my multi tasking. 

27194 mr21cbs 2012-09-19 11:31:17 Vinmoet, I did grab those QPRs and will post them gradually over a few days. Have been busy myself. 

27196 BrunelloBob 2012-09-19 13:37:03 Thanks, NYpetey. 

27197 louas 2012-09-19 19:54:23 @mr21cbs: What are WTSO leftovers?? 

27198 BuffaloLou 2012-09-20 00:48:31 Another very busy day today. Worked all day. Getting read to go camping this weekend at the War of 1812 reenactment 

at Fort George (Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario.) There will be over 5,000 Scouts for the event! 

(Normally there's about 3,000.) A Scout meeting. Now relaxing now with another old Cindy offer: 2006 Atalayas 

de Golban Ribera del Duero. Killer QPR! I just love RdDs... 


I was there in July when they had the old ships come in and did a landing war games exercise as part of the War 

of 1812 celebration. 




27204 BuffaloLou 2012-09-20 08:50:35 @John O' - Did you get to tour the fort? It's pretty cool. While our "encampment" is across the street (there are 

far too many at this event to stay within the fort,) Scouting units do camp (reservations) in the fort. On a clear 

day you can see the Toronto skyline across Lake Ontario. Also, the US Navy has been in Buffalo for the past 

week, along with a ship from the Canadian Navy (I truly didn't know they had one... ) in observance of the 

anniversary. 

27205 BuffaloLou 2012-09-20 08:52:01 BLou snoozed; BLou losed. That is all. 

27206 mr21cbs 2012-09-20 10:52:29 @louas, I liked the cab franc from the previous offer on WTSO so I sent an email to [julie at wtso.com] asking if 

they have any more left. She replied that they had 2 cases, so I grabbed 1. I had done so before with some wines 

that I liked, mostly with favorable results. They may have too few bottles left to run a sale, but they will ship 

them to you upon request. 

27208 louas 2012-09-20 11:34:19 @mr21cbs: kewl. thanks 

27210 mr21cbs 2012-09-20 15:05:23 We recently watched the movie "A good year" and fairly enjoyed it. Are there any other titles on the 

wine/winery subject that should be considered? Cheers! 

27211 BrunelloBob 2012-09-20 15:43:38 "Debbie Does Napa", but it's really not for kids. 



27213 vinmoet 2012-09-20 16:50:04 cbs: 


“Bottle Shock” (2009) Alan Rickman plays Steven Spurrier who sets the stage for the Paris tasting of 1976. I've 

read the book and am pretty familiar with the story and can say that anything close to the real Paris tasting is not 

depicted in this film. But, if you love wine and you love Alan Rickman, its watchable. If you're familiar with the 

real story, recommend a higher ABV wine. 

"French Kiss" (1995) With Meg Ryan, Kevin Kline, & Timothy Hutton. 

Hey, its a Meg movie. Kline does a pretty decent job as a French guy with dreams of restarting a family vineyard. 

Catch is, he's a crook, but maybe he's not or maybe he's reformed? Who could ever guess. Will he end up with 

Meg? I would NEVER give an ending like that away. Wine geek quote of the movie? (use Kline's voice with 

French accent) "Wine is like people. The wine takes all the influences in life all around it, it absorbs them and it 

gets its personality." This is a fun movie, the wife will love it. 

"Sideways" (2004) Paul Giamatti, Thomas Haden Church, Virginia Madsen. Hmmm, don't mean to be obvious. If 

you are unfamiliar with this flic, do not admit it here. Google the title to find out. May be a bit boys will be boys 

for the wife, but she should still like it. 

"Mondovino" (2004) Another mandatory wine geek film. Kind of a Michael Moore does France? Doesn't let the 

facts get in the way of a good documentary. Doesn't let accurate translation get in the way of sub titles. Still, a 

great watch and it captures some very accurate Frenchisms. It will take a wine geek of a wife to watch this one 

27214 mr21cbs 2012-09-20 17:23:24 Thanks Vinmoet and BrunelloBob for your recommendations. I did locate the Debbie Does Dallas, but will hold 

off on that one for now. I am sure as soon as she is done, she will move to Napa. 

27216 BuffaloLou 2012-09-20 18:38:09 Merkin Vineyards. Really? "Merkin"? 

27217 vinmoet 2012-09-20 18:52:10 cbs: 

I forgot. "A Walk in the Clouds" with Keeanu Reeves. Set in the '40's this is a love story set in wine country. A 

chick flick for sure. But, it was filmed at Mountveeder, Duckhorn & Krug. Visually appealing. Not at the top 

of my list. 

27220 John O' 2012-09-20 21:43:27 lou 

no, just stayed on the shore and watched. 

27221 John O' 2012-09-20 21:44:02 did get to Stone Road Grille, though. 




27224 BuffaloLou 2012-09-20 23:12:10 @John O - How did you like Stone Road Grille? I haven't been there. Just looked it up. Sounds quite nice! 

Tonight, after dinner, we started with a 2006 Lyeth Meritage. There is a reason this was a $12 bottle of wine. It 

was 'OK', but nothing memorable, nothing special, in fact, not much at all. It was smooth and easy drinking... 

Fruit, and not much of it, and not much else. 

Moved on to an Ocaso Malbec Reserva '08, Mendoza, Argentina. For a the same price as the Lyeth, this is much 

better. Big, black fruits with some black cherry, but not a fruit bomb, earthy goodness, nice tannins, a hint of 

tobacco. A nice wine for everyday at an everyday price. This wine has been evolving in the glass for over 45 

minutes now. Continues to improve. 

27227 John O' 2012-09-21 05:10:31 The Stone Road Grille was recommended to me several years ago on one of the Wine Library boards. Everything 

that can be is made in house. The Charcuterie plate is a must. 

27239 John O' 2012-09-23 10:26:50 cricket, cricket, ... 

27243 Mrpat56 2012-09-23 19:28:22 Man O man. I'm mostly a lurker. So bored lurking the last 3days you made me open a 2007 Diamond Creek red 

rock terrace! I like it,very good but still tannic, too young , but prefer it when not bored . 

27249 mr21cbs 2012-09-24 11:15:03 Spent my weekend outdoors as the weather was magnificent in the Philly area. Cycling, fall yard work, eating out. 

I bet autumn is in full swing in New York and Vermont, our leaves are still pretty green. 

~ 

Enjoyed 2006 Burgess Syrah with pork loin, great QPR. 2009 Leth Riesling with sushi, 2005 Zanotelli Trento with 

pizza and chicken wings, 2008 Luna Beberide Mencía Bierzo Finca la Cuesta with grilled meat, fish, and veggies. 

27250 BrunelloBob 2012-09-24 12:31:07 I've been in jail, no internet access. 

27251 mr21cbs 2012-09-24 12:50:01 BrunelloBob, how was the food, wine? 

27252 BrunelloBob 2012-09-24 13:26:02 Too much bread, and the wine was watery. 

27253 McMalbec 2012-09-24 16:21:16 Greetings from Prague! It has been 40 years from My last visit and she remains the crown jewel of Europe. Good 

news is that the food and wines are better. Bad news is that the communists are still around as are the Russians 

have returned to enjoy the good life. The Czechs apparently are a long suffering lot. Beer remains king in Praha. 

The wine harvest is under way in Bohemia and we sampled some burak. Not bad. 

On to Dresden tomorrow. Glad to be able to see more comments from fellow inmates! 




27255 BuffaloLou 2012-09-24 19:02:44 Back on-line after a weekend of camping. I think the Scouts learned some lessons about proper ground cloth use 

after some tents were swamped with the deluge of rain we received on Friday night. Fortunately it cleared up on 

Saturday and Sunday. Boys had a great time with the War of 1812 re-enactment at Fort George. 

Presently enjoying another '06 Havens Merlot with Mrs. BLou. Just rockin'! 

Nice to see Mrpat56 back in action! Dont' be a stranger! '07 Diamond Creek RRT... NICE! 

@BB - Sounds like you didn't complete some of your 'honey do' list! :) 

27256 NY Pete 2012-09-24 20:43:25 whats with no duplicate comments Michael? 

@BB - re: "and the wine was watery" - Mrs. BLou and I split a Greg Norman Petite Sirah Paso Robles (I don't recall 

the vintage) last night. That's what I said about it. Too watery and thin in the mouth. Not what I come to expect 

from a PS. :( 

I miss Mobius. 

27259 mr21cbs 2012-09-25 07:11:10 NY Pete what do you mean? 

27260 mr21cbs 2012-09-25 07:11:58 NY Pete what do you mean? 

~ 

I miss him too... 

27261 luddite 2012-09-25 07:59:22 It's a WordPress feature designed to prevent drunken inmates from passing out on the Enter key and posting the 

same message 100 times :lol: 



27262 vinmoet 2012-09-25 09:55:31 I just put this up over at Cindy/WL: 


http://www.lemonde.fr/style/article/2012/09/24/la-france-isolee-dans-son-refus-de-ceder-la-mention-chateauaux-vins-americains_1764737_1575563.html 

My translation of the article: 

"Will Paris remain alone much longer? French agriculture minister Stéphane Le Foll refuses to give the right for 

American wine exports to Europe to be labeled "Chateau", but he admitted to having a struggle convincing 

European partners to follow. 

Experts from twenty-seven countries of the European Union (EU) must meet in Brussels on Tuesday to discuss 

the application filed by the United States with a possible vote. "We are in a difficult discussion," conceded Mr Le 

Foll. "France is particularly attached" to the name "Chateau", which is country specific. 

In mid-September, the Federation of Bordeaux wines (FGVB) accused the Commission of trying to "sell out the 

word "Chateau' for U.S. exporters", warning against "a distortion of competition in relation to our vineyards and 

deception to consumers. " 

In France, the word "Chateau" is a wine AOC from one hundred percent of grapes harvested and vinified on the 

property, said the FGVB. U.S. demand, which dates back to 2010, focuses on a less restrictive definition for wines 

produced by a producer or group of producers from grapes from their vineyards or vines "that have been 

traditionally exploited" by producer or group of producers. 

In addition, the reality of American law is more lenient and allows, for example, wines being produced only at 

75% of grapes from a given tract of land to receive a designation of origin. 

27263 vinmoet 2012-09-25 10:06:27 LCW has the 2008 Rocca di Castagnoli Poggio Chianti Classico Riserva for $22 which we love but can buy for $18 

locally. Seems like a fair, delivered price, but no crazy bargain. As for the wine, we love its drinkability. It is truly 

classic Chianti with slightly modern overtones but not too bright. Really one of our go to red sauce wines. 

27266 NY Pete 2012-09-25 13:02:59 Michael, I simply tried to post "I miss Mobius" and I received a duplicate comment message from the site. 

Perhaps Ludds is right about word press or whomever. Stay well. 




27267 mr21cbs 2012-09-25 14:42:08 NY Pete, that is the feature of the WordPress system that we use for this forum. It prevents incidental clicking of 

the Submit button many times while the first request is being processed. 

Cheers! 

27268 BrunelloBob 2012-09-25 15:05:22 Soooooo.... 

If I was going to be in Italy in a couple of weeks (Lake Como, Cinque Terre, Tuscan Villa for a week, Rome), would 

The Inmates have any advice? This is our second trip to Italy, so we have a clue... 

The Villa's within walking distance of Montepulciano. 

A visit to Biondi Santi goes without sayin'... :) 

27269 BuffaloLou 2012-09-25 18:02:57 @BB - Advice: drink wine. Lots of it! :D 

27274 BuffaloLou 2012-09-26 10:14:24 RIP Andy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flm4xcOyiCo 

27275 louas 2012-09-26 12:11:42 @BB: This may prove useful for the Rome leg of your trip: 

http://www.theamericanmag.com/article.php?article=3343&p=full 

27276 BuffaloLou 2012-09-26 21:04:52 Tonight: 2005 Abelis Carthago Toro Lui Selection - Very nice! I bought this twice; one lot at $15.99 and the other 

lot at $14.49. Worth every penny. 

I just love Tempranillo, esp from Toro! 

27278 louas 2012-09-27 00:06:06 Had dinner at a way cool tiny place here in Tucson. Mid week sit at the bar special: Deep bowl of mussels with 

bread and a glass of wine...$12. It is a place called The Dish and is actually in a liquor/wine shop called The 

Rumrunner. So tables are actually at the end of aisles of wine. Seats maybe 20. Nice selection of wine, very 

reasonably priced, good peeps. Independently owned, not Total wine which makes it even better. 

Pick your bottle of wine off the shelf, add $12 and away you go. 

27279 BrunelloBob 2012-09-27 06:22:21 Thanks for the article Louas--it would have been worth it just for the picture of Sophia Loren. Dang that woman 

was beautiful... 

27280 luddite 2012-09-27 08:25:06 Help send an inmates friend to beer camp by voting for his video "My Beer goes to Camp" (click next it's 

currently on the 4th screen) vote once a day! 

http://www.sierrabeercamp.com/#/view-entries/ 




27281 vinmoet 2012-09-27 10:11:53 The price keeps climbing on this WA94 Bordeaux Pauillac. Suggesting that you get yourself a case: 

http://www.binnys.com/wine/Chateau_Batailley_Pauillac_22083.html 

Really a phenomenal wine that is wonderful now, will be better in 5 and will blow you away in 10 to 20. This is 

worth it at twice the price, easily. 

Hey, I've tipped everyone off on deals like this one where you will be hundreds of dollars ahead and provided 

plenty of research on big buys you considered making. Time for me to hit you up a bit. Spread the love and help 

out with a tax deductible donation: http://www.crisisnursery.net/ 

27283 winex 2012-09-27 10:44:25 @BrunelloBob - if you are close to Montepulciano then you should absolutely go to 

http://www.enotecadipiazza.com 

It is an amazing wine shop that I was in last year. We shipping $2k back to US from there. We contacted them 

ahead of time & they provided us with $300 worth of precharged cards to taste the 100+ brunellos available 

for tasting .We worked with Giulio Rabissi he took excellent care of us & I highly recommend it. 

We are currently in Alsace, France tasting some amazing wines. We spent all of Wednesday with Maurice & 

Marie Claire Barthelme of Albert Mann. Tasting in the cellars, visiting the vineyards, lunch at their house & 

dinner in the evening. An absolutely surreal day...of course tomorrow we repeat this with Olivier Humbrecht of 

Zind Humbrecht...so should be another fabulous day!! 

e-mail me if you like at sltibbsatroadrunner.com and I'll send along any pertainent info that may help you get 

the tastings at enoteca for free...some of the wines were $5-$6/taste we paid for absolutely none. Even took a 

break for lunch & went back to finish the tasting & order. 

27284 BrunelloBob 2012-09-27 10:59:57 Winex is a Baller of Vinmoet-caliber! Very impressive. 

I'll email you tonight from my personal account, which I can't access from work. Thanks! 

27285 BrunelloBob 2012-09-27 13:05:38 Potentially decent QPR deal on Empire Ship 4: 2007 Bouchard Aîné et Fils Pouilly-Fuissé $7.95 FS4 

27286 mr21cbs 2012-09-27 13:49:24 2008 Barolo: http://www.snooth.com/articles/the-best-of-2008-barolo/ 

27287 AdamEmp 2012-09-27 14:18:46 BrunelloBob - It is a pretty sweet deal. I have tried a number of bottles of the wine and all have been excellent. 

27288 mr21cbs 2012-09-27 14:23:24 AdamEmp thanks for the deal. I did buy a 4-pack. For the price you can't go wrong. 

27289 John O' 2012-09-27 15:55:53 Adam 

In for 8 on your say-so. 




27290 mr21cbs 2012-09-27 18:08:06 One of our recent QPRs recommended by Monsieur Vinmoet - 2009 Château Sénéjac, is on EmpireWine Ship4Free. $24.95/bottle 

27291 vinmoet 2012-09-27 19:13:22 Make it a case guys. Easy to drink. 

27292 BuffaloLou 2012-09-27 21:24:37 "Make it a case guys." I like the way vinny works... :D 

27293 BuffaloLou 2012-09-27 21:29:05 Tonight, with dinner: 2010 Michael-David Vineyards Syrah 6th Sense - delish, fruit forward, modern-style (as if 

you couldn't tell... ) a$$-kickin' Cali Syrah. Very enjoyable! 

Now: 2008 Punto Final Reserva Malbec 

27294 BuffaloLou 2012-09-27 22:00:49 (real Armenian) string cheese (with Nigella sativa!) is addictive. That is all. 

27295 BuffaloLou 2012-09-27 22:18:50 Proud father moment: For the second weekend in a row, Scout Alex and I are going camping, but this time, it's 

not with his Troop, rather the Order of the Arrow (Scouting's "honor society"). If it weren't for the many bottles 

of vino between now and then, I'm certain you would remember I mentioned that he was inducted into said 

honor society back in June. At said induction, he expressed interest in joining the 'ceremonial team.' He 

attended one meeting and picked the 'character' he would like to portray in the ceremonies. Due to a(n) 

fortunate/unfortunate sequence of events, the chapter asked him if he would 'get them out of a bind' and 

perform in the upcoming ceremony (this weekend.) Rarely do they 'tap' a new recruit for a roll, but they needed 

someone to fill the shoes, so to speak. 

I've been working (no credit to me... I'm just reviewing; he is studying and performing) with Scout Alex for the 

past month on the lines. He is ROCKIN'! I truly did not know he had it in him. I am so proud of him! 

27296 vinmoet 2012-09-27 23:03:24 What great experiences and memories. It goes by much too quickly. 

27297 BuffaloLou 2012-09-27 23:17:19 I cherish the moments he and I share. I know a time will come when he will want to spend more time with 

friends or girlfriends. Fortunately Scouting gives us a common ground... 

27299 David T 2012-09-28 01:01:03 @AdamEmp Last night I got around to opening the 07 Acquagiusta Tenuta La Badiola from the killer Italian 4pack 

you had last year, and also an 07 Modus a week or two ago. Both were excellent for their respective prices. 

I'm looking forward my remaining bottles of those along with the Casanova di Neri Tenuta Nuova in a couple of 

years :) 

27300 winex 2012-09-28 01:18:10 @BBob - Vinmoet is definately in another league (at least as far as Bordeaux) I do not have the depth of his 

knowledge but am still learning...I travel to a different region every year between France & Italy & 

meet with the winemakers to learn their process & style, it make sfor one amazing vacation!! Thanks for 

the props though!! 



27302 BrunelloBob 2012-09-28 06:26:01 Winex-email rec'd, thanks! 


D.T.: That pack friggin' rocked! 


In for 4 from Empire. Also previoulsly picked up 4 mags from JJB @$50 each. 

Had my first semi-serious 2009 last weekend. Chateau de France. 

I get the hype. 

27306 luddite 2012-09-28 09:08:30 Inmates do your part! Today is national drink beer day and our local brew pub is featuring Oak-toberfest Firkin 

(Firkin is conditioned with French Oak Chips & Saaz Hops). 

. 

27307 louas 2012-09-28 09:34:09 @Luddite: Will do my part!!!! 

27308 mr21cbs 2012-09-28 11:54:42 2007 Titus Petite Sirah on LBW. $24 and FS3 

27309 john o' 2012-09-28 11:59:10 @mr21cbs - jumped on that one. 

27310 mr21cbs 2012-09-28 12:06:58 John O' so did I, before I posted here :evil: 

27311 BuffaloLou 2012-09-28 12:10:41 Drat! Missed out on the Titus offer during checkout. It was there, then gone! Bugger! 

27314 BrunelloBob 2012-09-28 20:06:25 Earth calling Brooks....Come in Brooks.... 

27321 McMalbec 2012-09-29 11:25:34 Berlin tomorrow. Drats, Rutz Wine Bas is closed on Sunday! 

27322 vinmoet 2012-09-29 12:06:54 McMalbec: I'm not Mr. German wine and I still haven't forgiven them for crossing the Maginot Line, but 

according to a buddy this place has serious (and older) wines with about a fifth of their inventory being 

Deutschland wines: http://www.caduco.de/ 

You can double check their store hours and check their online inventory to see if its worth it to you. Have a great 

trip...am jealous indeed. 

27323 BrunelloBob 2012-09-29 12:31:35 ummmm, Vinny? 

The Germans went AROUND the Maginot Line. 

France has gotta take Some responsibility for that... 



27325 A Frayed Knot 2012-09-29 22:56:42 “’Tis the voice of the Lobster: I heard him declare 

’You have baked me too brown, I must sugar my hair.’ 

As a duck with its eyelids, so he with his nose 

Trims his belt and his buttons, and turns out his toes. 

When the sands are all dry, he is gay as a lark, 

And will talk in contemptuous tones of the shark; 

But, when the tide rises and sharks are around, 

His voice has a timid and tremulous sound.” 


Just a bit of nonsense (or is it?) to keep the well read Bob occupied whilst I entreat the all knowing Luddite to 

refer me to the location of an unfinished tale concerning said Bob in order to complete the referred to tome. 

One must never leave a tale untold! Or is it a tail unfold? I forget..........on a regular basis! 

Help me Ludes!.........I remember the end and somewhat the middle, but the beginning you see, is fuzzy a 

little!.......something about Brunelloland or a peanut stand.............. 

I saw a peanut stand, heard a rubber band, 

And seen a needle wink its eye 

But I be done seen about everything 

When I see an elephant fly 


I've seen a front porch swing, heard a diamond ring 

I've seen a polka dot railroad tie 

But I be done seen about everything 


27326 BrunelloBob 2012-09-30 06:42:55 AFK obviously has access to Way better drugs than I do... :lol: 

(Note to self--maybe D.T. can help.) 

27330 vinmoet 2012-09-30 17:36:00 BBob: Your point is well taken. The Maginot Line was, in fact, so effective that it forced the Germans around it. 

Those poor slobs had to tromp through Belgium and the Atrennes forest while the French soldiers had big dining 

rooms, new dorms, underground rail service & A/C at the line. 




27331 David T 2012-09-30 19:49:26 I have ACCESS to all of the fun drugs you want, however getting them out of the pharmacy undetected would 

require tactics similar to Mission Impossible. 

We had a small but very nice offline in Columbus on Friday. TNs here 


27332 BrunelloBob 2012-09-30 20:31:36 Drinking a 2007 Maroon Spring Mountain Cab, a WTSO frequent flyer. 

Damn I Wish I had more... 

"Better through the vinituri. 

Big wine, nice structural backbone. Some really nice Napa fruit, enough acidity, a bit heavy on the tannin right 

now. Spice, maybe a hint of herbs and black licorice. May improve, wish I had more than one left . 90-91+" 

27333 BuffaloLou 2012-09-30 20:50:58 @BB - I just picked up the Maroon Zin. Haven't tried it yet. Have you had their Zin before? 

27334 BrunelloBob 2012-09-30 21:22:53 No 

27335 WineKnurd 2012-09-30 21:30:35 Did some cellar inventory today, making sure CT was up to date with proper quantities and all. Found that I had 

mistakenly "consumed" my last bottle of 1999 Chateau Grand Mayne. XMAS in October. Had to share with the 

Hills, even though I have been offline for quite sometime. 

27336 BuffaloLou 2012-09-30 22:44:37 Nice to have the kah-nerd make an appearance! Hope you stick around! 

27337 TonyO 2012-09-30 23:09:59 Hope you all had a great weekend....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dt6dWg5l1A 

27344 vinmoet 2012-10-01 11:54:15 Its October and I still haven't decided when I'm going to Bordeaux. Tourist wise, this month is the window. 

Nobody else there, cool fall weather, everything still open. Wine wise, I try to time it so the wine has been in the 

tank for a month so its wine but it hasn't touched oak. This will be a bad vintage so I am not as passionate about 

the timing as I was for even last year. But, old habits are hard to break. 

At this point, the merlot is being harvested http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/2012/10/2012-bordeauxharvest-news-pomerol-is-picking-today/ 

(same link I put up on WL this a.m.) and the Cabernet Sauvignon needs 

to ripen. Weather is the challenge here. If you assume everything harvested in the next couple of weeks, I may 

be going early/mid November. Downside is that many places (little restaurants) close up in November. 

The work I have to go through to keep you guys informed... 


Your "work" is apprecated. 

Out of curiosity what are your top 3, 2009 Bordeaix's that you've had so far (under $75)? 




27347 vinmoet 2012-10-01 17:54:30 john O: We are at a point where the price point is shifting, and the direction is up. What was $40 is fast 

becoming $60 and so on. 

The best QPR under $75 is Chateau Batailley which I have pushed several times. This is an $80 wine that is selling 

under $50 (I just pushed it at $40) but which is a bargain at $60. I also liked Chateau Giscours and Beau-Sejour 

Becot (it may be over your price point now). As a back-up, I was impressed with Les Pagodes de Cos. One that I 

usually find too big and modern but that the critics tend to love is Barde-Haut. Yet, in 2009 I am getting into their 

camp. I'd say the first three that I listed are my official answer to your query. All of these will love time in the 

bottle but are strangely drinkable now. 

27349 BuffaloLou 2012-10-01 22:30:22 Tonight: 2006 Bodegas San Alejandro Garnacha Calatayud Las Rocas Viñas Viejas. What a grossly disappointing 

bottle. I remember having a much earlier vintage, IIRC 1998, and loving it. This was dead in the bottle. CT 

community says to drink through 2012. I think that's generous. 

Just popped a 2007 vintage of the same. Explosive fruit. A lot of oak treatment, but not too much. OTT in ways 

similar to an Oz Shiraz. Nice quaff for $15, but there are some better deals out there. 

Interesting note: the '06 was bottled in a Bordeaux style bottle and the '07 is in a Rhone/Burg style bottle. I 

wonder why? Maybe they got a good deal... 

27355 mr21cbs 2012-10-02 08:18:19 Following the theme of wine with dinner, we had a 2005 Botromagno Primitivo from Puglia last night, nice wine, 

nothing to complain or rave about. My notes were: Starting to lose its fruit. Nice ruby color in the glass, fullbody 

wine. Funky at the open, but dark fruit, wild flowers, pepper, smoked bacon takes over after 30 min. Short 

finish but pleasant food wine. 

The most interesting part was the reading about the varietal, being Zinfandel, and comparing its aroma and taste 

to the zins from other regions. Fascinating. 

27358 vinmoet 2012-10-02 16:51:31 This is a link to a funky, interesting wine blog: http://www.alicefeiring.com/blog/ 

Don't always agree with her but she is knowledgeable and makes for an interesting read. 




27359 wine magnet 2012-10-02 20:23:23 A text from my son as he was about to return from a business trip to Abu Dhabi: "...wine and cheese in a very 

nice wine bar, including an '82 Leoville las Cases and a '59 Haut Brion..." 

I guess someone has to consume these treasures and it might as well be on someone else's entertainment nickel. 

I might not survive the 15 hour flight, especially with the short turnaround. Having arrived Sat evening Abu 

Dhabi time, he was returning to Atlanta Tues evening their time. 

I;m sipping on something more modest: 1999 Quinta de Roriz Porto Vintage, which I opened to use in a pot roast 

recipe this morning because it was my only handy Porto. This has turned out to be one of the great deals of the 

past from WL/CW. Exceptional buy at $25 nearly 2 years ago! 

27360 BuffaloLou 2012-10-02 21:23:28 For the high rollers out there, K&L Wine Merchant's (KLWines.com) is offering 2003 Margaux, 99RP, 

$699.99 / 750ml. If you hit the lottery: they have a case; please invite me! 

Tonight, 2005 Abelis Carthago Toro Lui Selection again. Another terrific bottle! 

27361 BrunelloBob 2012-10-02 21:27:38 Souds like DaddyMags has got a son to be proud of... 

27362 John O' 2012-10-02 22:11:07 Tonight: 

2003 Domaine du Clos des Fées Côtes du Roussillon Le Clos des Fées 

Don't remember which flash site this came from, but for $14 it's superb juice, 

27363 BuffaloLou 2012-10-02 22:28:32 @John O - Cindy offered it three times: 11/2/10, 11/15/10, and 12/9/10 in a pack. See: 

http://cinderellawine.com/?s=F%C3%A9es 

27364 mr21cbs 2012-10-02 22:46:42 John O' it was offered on 5/31/2011 by LastBottleWines.com for $15 and free shipping on 6. At least that is 

where I got mine. Had a bottle a few days ago and liked it. 

27365 BuffaloLou 2012-10-02 22:53:22 @cbs - looks like LBW offered it lower at the lest expensive price on CW was $19.88 (other than the pack deal... 

pick your price on that.) 

27372 BuffaloLou 2012-10-03 19:06:12 Anyone have any thoughts on the Ave Malbec Gran Reserva 2008 on Cindy? I like a descent priced Malbec, but 

the CT notes are useless. I had the '07. It was good, but it went through huge swings over the course of 3 hours. 

(https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1086341) 

Unless someone has some good input to offer, I'll have to pass as I know I can purchase descent everyday drinker 

Malbec for less at LWS. 

27373 BuffaloLou 2012-10-03 19:27:15 With dinner, another '06 Havens Merlot. Damn fine juice! My TNs: 

"Very much like the bottle on 8/31. Rockin'! Big, dark, brooding flavors on the palate. Sweet tanins are 

integrated perfectly. The fruit and tobacco flavors extend through the mid-palate to the finish which lasts and 

lasts and lasts. I should have bought 4 or 5 cases of this QPR!" 



27375 BuffaloLou 2012-10-03 20:54:25 up now: 


2006 Bodegas y Viñedos 

del Jalón Calatayud Claraval - Spain, Aragón, Calatayud (10/3/2012) 

I'll agree with crux (8/13/11) on the nose: "Nose of graphite, brine, brown sugar and plum. Quite a sweet 

bouquet." Nailed it. I disagree on the palate. Bright red fruits (strawberry) and some dark fruit (blueberry) on the 

palate. Sweet tanins give a hint of mouth drying. Silky and smooth. Nice structure. Finish last a long time, 60+ 

seconds. Delicious! (91 points) 


Note: paid $21.99 through WTSO (12/2009). Well worth the price. Not a 'killer' QPR, but a good deal. Really 

enjoying this wine! 

27376 BuffaloLou 2012-10-03 21:11:26 Crap. "The wine that must not be mentioned!" How is it that CW manages to pick wines that have little to no CT 

notes? Anyone out there think it's a grand conspiracy? :) 

27377 BrunelloBob 2012-10-03 21:21:22 Beautiful Wife just popped one of the 2007 Bouchard Aîné et Fils Pouilly-Fuissé from Empire Ship 4. 

Chard is really not my thing, and I'm too many G &Ts down the road to do a decent tasting note, but at 

$7.95 this has the potential tp be one of the better QPR plays of the year. You're gonna need to like your chard 

with some age on it, though. 

27378 WineKnurd 2012-10-03 21:26:07 Debate drink- 25% Trebbiano, 25% Chardonnay, 25% Malvasia Bianca, 25% Sauvignon Blanc, Toscana white. 

Lemon zest, sage, and minerals with hints of pineapple and saline. What is everyone else drinking? 

27379 BrunelloBob 2012-10-03 21:28:15 "Kitchen Sink" White...I'm philosophically opposed...What does The Knurd think? 

27380 WineKnurd 2012-10-03 21:34:36 I think the BBoB G&T tax plan is something I can get behind :) 

27381 BrunelloBob 2012-10-03 21:38:08 Knurd needs to hang around here more often. 

and WHERE THE HELL IS BROOKS???! 

27382 WineKnurd 2012-10-03 21:44:33 When was the last Brooks post? What would Brooksie drink during the debate? I am guessing an aged Ridge Zin. 

27383 BuffaloLou 2012-10-03 22:01:29 My three cents: I cannot drink enough to last this debate! 

27384 WineKnurd 2012-10-03 22:04:32 Still drinking the Havens Mer-lot? 




27385 BuffaloLou 2012-10-03 22:07:31 @knurd - oh, my good man, the Haven's is long gone! As is the Calatayud Claraval! I'm on to a delish Legend 

Brown Ale. I figure, if I only open a beer, then that's all I'll consume. If I open another 750 of wine, well... I could 

be in trouble! 

To my defense, Mrs. BLou has been 'enjoying' one for one with me! 

27386 WineKnurd 2012-10-03 22:11:30 Tell me more about this Legend, where is it brewed? Does it have notes of apple and chocolate malt like the 

Hobgoblin from Wychwood brewery? 

27388 louas 2012-10-03 22:28:25 These debates are such ca ca poo poo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n03a7cLf0M 

Last nite, the commissioner and I went to one of our favorite Tucson Restaurants, Pastiche, here in Tucson. 

First of all, Tuesday Nite is Steak Nite! $15. Varies from week to week. Last nite was NY strip, garlic mash and 

broccoli. 

On advice from Molly, the bartender, we got a bottle of First Press, Napa Valley CS, 2009. $24 Really good.. But 

it gets better, because Pastiche has a wine shop and the wine is just $12 in the shop! Possibly QPR OTY. 

Also picked up a couple of bottles 2008 PS from Three wine company ( I may have been channeling BLou). Thet 

were in the bargain bin for $12 as well. Drank one tonite with the commish with grilled chicken and roasted 

carrots. Big, inky, black fruit. What a PS should be. 

Have decided to root for A's in the AL and Nationals/Reds in NL.. As always prioity is ABY! 

27389 BuffaloLou 2012-10-03 22:29:58 @Knurd - Legend: Richmond, VA. http://www.legendbrewing.com/ 

Edit: forgot TNs: Malty, sweet, caramel, a little spice. Nice, inexpensive, local brew. 

27390 BuffaloLou 2012-10-03 22:35:31 @louas - I have not had the pleasure of trying the PS from Three Wine Company. Thanks for posting. "Big, inky, 

black fruit." - yeah, that's what I like! I will certainly pick up some when I see it! 

Side note: if you like the big, inky, black fruit of PS, give some Malbec from Argentina a try! Different flavors, but 

similar 'notes'. 

27391 NY Pete 2012-10-03 22:58:28 I miss Mobius. that is all. 

27395 BrunelloBob 2012-10-04 06:23:03 Nobody ever says "I miss NY Pete"... 

wuwt? 

27396 David T 2012-10-04 09:43:01 I miss Sheila/Judy/Beth/Jamie/Kate/NavyJ/BamaGoddess etc. 

This place needs some estrogen back. 

27397 BrunelloBob 2012-10-04 10:05:14 I "heart" boobies! :lol: :lol: 

27398 mr21cbs 2012-10-04 10:06:25 Amen, brothers! 

27400 Hinrgman 2012-10-04 20:16:42 I guess FB is more fun. 




27403 luddite 2012-10-04 22:35:03 @Hinrgman: The inmates rebelled against moving to FB so @AFK started the Hills. @GV must have been ahead 

of his time after all :D 

27404 BuffaloLou 2012-10-04 23:31:37 2009 Red Zeppelin Petite 

Sirah Black Zeppelin Hames Valley - USA, California, Central Coast, Hames Valley (10/4/2012) 

C: ruby-black, opaque as ink 

N: Vanilla, cassis, blackberry, blueberry, cranberry, Black Jack pipe tobacco, plum 

P: Black fruits, tobacco wrapper, leather, beef jerky, soy sauce, 

F: Med-long 

27405 BuffaloLou 2012-10-04 23:36:20 @BB - ROFLMAO! that is all. 

Massive wine. High viscosity. Fills the mouth. Slightly mouth drying. Flavors are dominant and last from initial sip, 

through the mid-palate, to the finish. It was a little acidic on the PnP, but as the fruit came forward over 30+ 

minutes, the wine balanced out. One of the best petite sirah's I've ever had. Tremendous effort! Wish I had more 

than just the 6. (92 points) 


Just wondering, is cbs "Amen-ing" to the "I miss... " or the "boobies"? ;) 

27406 BuffaloLou 2012-10-04 23:39:12 I've been thinking: The tag line at the top of the page "A Place Where People Crazy About Wine Meet Every 

Day!" Should it be changed to: 

"A Place Where Crazy People Crazy About Wine Meet Every Day!"? 

We are all inmates, and insane... 

27407 BuffaloLou 2012-10-05 00:28:26 Make that "92+"; it's getting better and better in the glass! 

27410 louas 2012-10-05 09:46:36 @BLou: Check out thewinespies.com 

27411 Hinrgman 2012-10-05 09:51:02 @luddite - the people mentioned were here but have not posted here but some do post on FB. 

27412 luddite 2012-10-05 10:36:44 Exactly and some of them were the most vocal opponents of the move to FB... 

27413 mr21cbs 2012-10-05 11:41:00 We do have a FB page, and I am not looking for more "properties" to manage, but I am your servant and would 

like this discussion to continue - here, there, anywhere. I am sure our lady friends are lurking and will chime in. 

27414 BuffaloLou 2012-10-05 11:41:26 Thank you louas! 




27415 vinmoet 2012-10-05 11:55:20 You guys will remember Mondovino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHBPvgOO29M Of course, if you've 

not seen it, you HAVE to. Its premise was a bit far fetched and things were definitely edited, but its a visual treat 

and a fun wine geek movie. 

That said, this material was filmed over about 4 years with hundreds of hours of footage. They took the footage 

and put together a 10 hour Mondovino TV series (broken into one hour segments). I got a copy and finished the 

first hour. IMHO that in order to watch it, you have to have seen the original movie. The first segment focused 

on one tiny portion covered in the film. An uneducated observer would not get it. If you are a hardcore geek like 

myself, then it makes sense to watch the entire thing. 

Am on the verge of booking my Bordeaux tickets and plan to watch this on the trip. 

27416 mr21cbs 2012-10-05 11:56:24 EmpireWine Ship4Free has Finca Sandoval Proprietary Red Blend 2007 for $18.95. I saw that CW had it for 

$16.49, and some of you are big fans of this wine. Any feedback on this deal...? 

27417 BaroloDude 2012-10-05 12:25:57 @Ludds.... this will make you proud to be a Buckeye... Ohio State’s Third-String Quarterback “Ain’t Come To 

Play SCHOOL” 

http://deadspin.com/5949274/ohio-states-third+string-quarterback-aint-come-to-play-school 

re the Finca Sandoval deal... year in year out, one of the best deals out there. Great Syrah based blend. (gotta 

love the shot of Bobal in there too). I used to pay 30+ a bottle for the 04 and never complained... now they 

make more and they have maintained the quality, and i love the price decrease. 

Cheers all. Go SF Giants! 

27419 luddite 2012-10-05 18:25:47 “It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.” 

-- Mark Twain 

27420 TonyO 2012-10-05 19:53:30 2004 Pillar Rock Stags Leap Cab (I think this was a Last Bottle deal).....sublime...........decanted 1 hour (needed 

it)........served up with locally raised beef tenderloin rubbed with porcini salt and cracked pepper and grilled 

served over mashed potatoes with a chantrell/madeira/shallot demi reduction.......my oh my what a wonderful 

day ! Peace to all ! 





2007 Cantina Zaccagnini 

Montepulciano d'Abruzzo Riserva - Italy, Abruzzi, Montepulciano d'Abruzzo (10/5/2012) 

C: Dark ruby 

N: black fruits, intense violets, tobacco leaf, 

P: blackberry, raspberry, mushroom, earth. Nice tannins. 

F: medium 

This wine has improved since I last popped a bottle. More fruit on the nose and palate, but still complex enough 

not to be a fruit bomb. Excellent QPR. (89 points) 


Breathing: 2005 Havens Bourriquot - I can't wait to try this! 

27422 BrunelloBob 2012-10-05 22:16:51 2004 Cristal 

10th Anniv wine, night before flight to Italy 

I win :) 

27423 TonyO 2012-10-05 22:27:24 @Brunello Bob...........Happy Trails ! 

27424 John O' 2012-10-05 22:36:44 Pillar Rock was purchased recently by the Screaming Eagle founder. 

27425 David T 2012-10-05 22:41:47 I sat down to watch tv, turned it on only to have to wait 10 minutes for it to do a software upgrade. Welcome to 

2012, huh? 

@BB Enjoy the trip! 

27426 BrunelloBob 2012-10-05 23:05:46 Thanks guys. 

If I get consistent internet accesss, you may be subjected to the "Daily Brunello Report"... 

27427 BuffaloLou 2012-10-05 23:11:55 BB "winning"! 

Have a great trip! Via con Dios! 





2005 Havens Wine Cellars 

Bourriquot - USA, California, Napa Valley (10/5/2012) 

I think AMM3RD (9/9/2012) was spot on. "This wine is the perfect balance between ripe california fruit and 

earthy bordeaux varietals. Tons of dark fruit, spice, green peppers, lightly dusty... " I'll add that to get this, you 

must wait. This wine has pyrazines from now to Christmas. Breathing subdues them and allows all the other 

flavors and aromas to come forefront. Also, I'm getting mushroom, earth, fallen Autumn leaves. If the pyrazines 

subdue a little more, I'd move this from 92 to 93. Very enjoyable! (92 points) 

27430 BuffaloLou 2012-10-06 01:22:58 How about some Gary and Phil? 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&feature=related 

27431 BuffaloLou 2012-10-06 02:05:52 Dick Cavett: "You're considered one of the best guitarists in the world." 

Hendrix: "Oh no." 

... 

Dick Cavett: "Do you know how to read music?" 

Hendrix: "No, not at all." 

Unbelievable. 

27436 McMalbec 2012-10-06 09:01:18 @Lou: sweet music to start a chilly day here in the heartland. Tragic end for these talented lads. 

Interesting Hendrix story in yesterdays WSJ review of Peter Townshend's book. At the Monterey Pop Festival, 

Townshend tells Jimi he doesn't want the Who to follow Jimi's act on stage. Pete describes it as a gesture of awe 

and respect but apparently Jimi didn't understand it that way-at least not at first. 

Will try to find a blues session you might enjot this morning. 

27437 McMalbec 2012-10-06 09:13:14 Keith, Ronnie Angus, Malcolm and friends on a blues ballad: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Noe6d-El6U 




27439 wine magnet 2012-10-06 09:39:23 BLou: I had this ('05 Havens B) on my list of wines to pull for today's blind tasting of Bordeaux and Bordeaux 

varietals from anywhere, and since I have not opened one for about a year, wonder if you decanted/aerated it 

before drinking. I was planning on giving it 1 hour out of the bottle before re-bottling it. Any thoughts? 

I am also taking a Cameron Hughes Lot 250 as a "ringer" just because it drinks so well and was only $7 at Sam's 

Club. Also bringing a 2005 Reignac and a '93 Leoville las Cases, and perhaps something from WA (perhaps a '04 

Gordon Brothers Tradition, a '05 Nicholas Cole Camille, or a '04 Soos Creek Artist Series). Combined with what I 

suspect a couple of others will bring, we should have a wide range from which to compare sources, winemakers, 

etc. 

27444 BuffaloLou 2012-10-06 12:26:19 @wine mag - I did not decant per se, I popped and let it breath in the bottle and in glass. It takes longer, but I 

find that sometimes I can over decant/breathe in a decanter. (if I'm not regularly checking it.) Seeing as I had 

not tried this since I first purchased it a number of years ago, I wanted to take it slowly. It took hours, but by the 

last glass, it was really singing. I was contemplating updating my rating from 92 to 93, 92+ for sure, but in the 

end, just didn't. The pyrazines did calm down, but were still present. Next bottle I'll wait longer so I have a glass 

hours later than I did. From first pop to last sip, this was open for about 4-5 hours. 

@McM - Too many were taken too early. I often see, and chuckle every time, that "God took Jimi so young 

because he wanted to learn guitar." There are some good vids on Gary Moore playing Jimi. Different styles but, 

it's always a pleasure seeing greatness playing tribute to greatness. Of course, that was the focus of SRVs entire 

career... 

Awesome Blues selection! Have you heard the recently released tracks with the Stones and Muddy Waters in 

session? Freakin' rocks! 

Eventually, all the greats come back to the Blues... 

27445 BuffaloLou 2012-10-06 12:35:59 Here's one back at ya, McM - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32YQYJuxyn0 

27446 John O' 2012-10-06 15:09:22 Last Bottle just had 2007 Château de Rayne-Vigneau Sauternes. $32 each, free ship on 3. 

Tried to get 3 and it came back that there were only 2 left. 

Light bulb goes on, pay the $10 ship charge for 2 and get the $25 credit for purchasing the last bottle. 

I love it when a plan comes together. 





2010 Justin Vineyards 

& Winery Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Central Coast, Paso Robles (10/6/2012) 

Enjoyed with dinner at a local restaurant. No formal notes taken other than loads of acid and loads of fruit 

balancing each other out. Enough oak treatment to add secondary flavors. Well integrated tanins. Very nice 

effort. Well worth the going rate of $17-$18. $50 in restaurant was steep, though. (90 points) 


27452 K is for Kate 2012-10-07 00:48:25 @vinmoet - I am a huge fan of the Mondovino full series - I have it on DVD and there is so much amazing stuff in 

there. I think it really shows that it wasn't just the way it was edited that made certain people look bad, since in 

the extra footage Michel Rolland in particular just keeps digging his own hole deeper and deeper. I have had 

wines purchased and set aside for a tasting inspired by Mondovino for a while, but I keep putting it off because I 

want to have it at a friend's house with a bigger TV. 

27455 TonyO 2012-10-07 09:52:04 @JohnO' ............quick thinking ! Slainte ! 

27456 TonyO 2012-10-07 10:06:44 Nice Moore/Lynott video BLou............Ireland has produced some great musicians (many of whom left way 

before their time including the often overlooked Rory Gallagher).....hoping that Van the Man hits the road in 

support of his new album....the man can still sing like a Celtic Angel....... 

27457 TonyO 2012-10-07 10:09:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf6RRASIU7A&feature=related 



27458 K is for Kate 2012-10-07 10:26:52 Nice to know the female element has been missed, fellas. 


I was consumed for the month of September by an Eat Local Challenge in which I could only eat food grown in 

Wisconsin. I spent pretty much all of my time shopping at Farmers' Markets, preparing food (including making 

my own yogurt) and doing staggering amounts of dishes (we don't have a dishwasher). Of course, we could have 

5 exceptions and wine was the first on my list. 

I have also finally gotten to do some local wine geeking! A new wine shop recently opened up on the Capitol 

square only a block from where I work, and the proprietress is passionate about smaller producers and 

sustainably produced, Old World, and geeky wines from unusual regions. She even knows a couple of other wine 

geeks and so 4 of us got together after hours at the store for my first taste of Lopez de Heredia. We only got to 

the whites this time, so there will be a part 2 with some reds. I brought the 1999 Gravonia, which was kind of 

like an opening act for the 1996 and 1991 Tondonia. I am smitten with these wines and am plotting to get one 

from my birth year since it was a year they did a Grand Reserva. I brought black licorice to try the Gary V pairing 

and it was one of the most crazy synergistic parings I have had. 

My notes aren't that great because I was too busy swooning and discussing, but the primary impression of both 

vintages of Tondonia was amazing mind-blowing complexity. These wines are definitely great with food, but we 

27459 TonyO 2012-10-07 11:43:28 Kate: that local challenge is very cool. I would be interested in seeing what 4 other items you selected as 

exceptions (I have done such a thing before and also choose wine along with citrus, olive oil, San Marzano 

tomatoes, and Sea Salt). Additionally, it is an interesting exercise to see how long you can go without buying 

anything that is not produced in the United States (primary exception is gasoline). Not as easy as one may think 

and it gets you to read labels/tags...quite a learning experience....we still produce some exceptional items in the 

USA, the problem is that the list keeps shrinking !!! 

27460 TonyO 2012-10-07 11:54:14 Tomorrow night is round two of the Feast of Fools here in Vermont. It is a gathering of several wine/food 

industry vets at a friends restaurant that is closed on Mondays. We all bring wine, set up a communal table in 

the kitchen and cook incredible foods. I scored a nice 2008 Williams Selyem Bucher Vineyard Pinot that will pair 

with some seared Foie Gras (unless someone bumps me by bringing some D' Yquem! (and then the Pinot will go 

with some duck....). I will try to take some notes as the last event was insane! Off to Chowder cookoff...... 

27461 K is for Kate 2012-10-07 12:14:05 @Tony O - We had a built-in exception for salt and spices to season food, so besides wine, I went with chocolate, 

brown rice, oats and lemon for my exceptions. We used some great local organic sunflower oil as a substitute for 

olive oil and really liked it. I'm also fortunate enough to be able to get fresh locally grown San Marzano tomatoes 

at the Farmers' Market and made some very tasty sauce from them. 



27464 John O' 2012-10-07 12:50:02 Tony O' 

sláinte mhaith 

27465 BuffaloLou 2012-10-07 13:35:34 @TO - http://www.facebook.com/vanmorrisonofficial 


welcome back KifK! 

27466 BuffaloLou 2012-10-07 13:42:43 @TO - Never listened to Rory Gallagher before. TY for the enlightenment! 

27468 WineKnurd 2012-10-07 20:14:43 Kate, Lopez de Heredia is probably my favorite producer, because their whites and reds (and even their one rose) 

is top notch. In general, I have never been as blown away by both the reds and whites from a single producer 

(usually if the reds are good the whites are poor, and vice versa). Gravonia, Bosconia, and Tondonia are my fav 

vineyards, but I recently found the roja Cubilla Crianza, of which the vineyard and designation I had never tried 

before. As you alluded to your wine-geek moment, now you know why my handle is "WineKnurd" :) 

27469 Mobius 2012-10-07 20:39:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTV6QB3btQs&feature=related 

27470 Mobius 2012-10-07 21:19:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8HrA2T3lI4&feature=related 

27471 Mobius 2012-10-07 21:24:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G0qroTL51U 

27473 Mobius 2012-10-07 21:29:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCiG7xoEb2Y 

27474 Mobius 2012-10-07 21:31:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWoGCdXT07g 

27475 Mobius 2012-10-07 21:52:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJD3dL4diY 

27476 Mobius 2012-10-07 21:55:38 For Tony. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLQzaLr1enE 

27477 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:00:15 For Glenn 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOmZimH00oo 

27478 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:02:16 For Bruce I 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2iLAubras 

27479 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:07:45 For Smoke/Mike 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2rQ3_kSXoU 

27480 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:12:47 For Pete 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RYvO2X0Oo 

27481 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:17:43 For Judy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAraUEgDJk 

27482 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:22:43 AFK 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I 

27483 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:25:47 For Josie 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0feNVUwQA8U 



27484 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:30:23 For Sheila 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9PAuWV-Vn0 

27485 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:37:40 Peace 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJIVz9nYx7I 

27486 Mobius 2012-10-07 22:54:59 One more time, I miss Powderfinger. That is all. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTV6QB3btQs 

27487 Mobius 2012-10-07 23:23:09 For Beth 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pVihntUEVw 

27488 Mobius 2012-10-07 23:32:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWgEUGnuwpk 

27493 vinmoet 2012-10-08 09:02:19 Kisforkate: Glad to see you posting again. Cold, Madison fall/winter weather is just what you need to snuggle in 

and do your Mondovino tasting. Forget the screen size, its about the wine. 

I am officially booked for mid November (brrr) for Bordeaux. Will watch much of the series when I will try (but 

can't) sleep on the plane. I just enjoy the people and the imagery. Feels like home to me. 

27494 luddite 2012-10-08 10:02:10 @Mobius: Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Crispiniano de la 

Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso and I thank you! 

27495 Phredd 2012-10-08 11:15:09 Paging Da Knurd. Would WineKnurd please pickup the nearest white courtesy phone? A conference is 

requested. 

That is all. 

27496 john o' 2012-10-08 11:24:26 VinMoet 

Thoughts on: 

2009 Chateau La Rousselle Fronsac, Bordeaux 

JJB private client deal at $22 

27497 McMalbec 2012-10-08 11:39:29 Love the wine and music posts! I was fortunate to have been in the Minneapolis area in the late 60s-early 70s 

when Leo Kottke was readily available and building his career. Truly a 12 string master! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdQdJqMjSw&feature=plcp 

27498 McMalbec 2012-10-08 12:35:36 @Kate: I was at what I call the Capital Square Farmer's Market bright and early on September 1st. This has to be 

one of the best Farmer's markets in the country. It seems to me there was enough variety and quality there to 

keep you on your pledge. 

I think I could handle a month of Wollersheim and Botham wines! 




27499 Julius 2012-10-08 14:03:52 @John O' - Jean Phillips bought the winery’s 114-acre parcel of land but not the winery or brand over a year ago. 

She said she bought the vineyard because it’s “just a wild, wonderful place to grow grapes and, hopefully, old.” 

27500 mr21cbs 2012-10-08 14:19:28 BuffaloLou, any thoughts on the 2010 Halcon Syrah Alturas currently on LastBottleWines? I see you bought this 

wine from the winery. Have you tasted it? How is this deal? 

27502 BuffaloLou 2012-10-08 14:57:33 @cbs - Sorry I missed your post here. As you know, I gave you my input via PM. 

October... Fresh apple cider is calling me! 

Digitally remastered Beatles. Oh yes! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg1k_G6fRpQ 

27503 BuffaloLou 2012-10-08 15:09:20 This should autoplay. "Red House". First, the master that doesn't acknowledge his prowess on the axe, and then 

a tribute to said master by Gary. Be sure to listen to the third track which occurs at the NY Pop Festival. 

Awesome rendition. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIDhmkDDEUc&list=FL4vDp7C5tNCbWRGINvkDlSw&index=9&amp 

;feature=plpp_video 

27504 David T 2012-10-08 15:31:37 MAJOR QPR alert- Halcon Syrah on LBW now, I HIGHLY recommend it! I haven't had the '10 (being shipped this 

week from the winery) but went in on a case w/ the winery's pre-sale given how good the 09 was. 

27505 BuffaloLou 2012-10-08 15:46:20 @DT - Ditto on the case offer. Impossible to resist. 

One of, IMHO, the most amazing voices ever. Brings back many great childhood memories watching him on TV. 

If you don't get goosebumps by the end of this, better check for a pulse. Shazzayam! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5KeGccP9Jk 

27506 David T 2012-10-08 16:18:06 @cbs I too missed your post. It's still up, hope you can get some. Hard to read things straight through with all the 

videos slowing down the loading. 

@Lou Did you get a chance to try the 09? If not I've got half a case coming with my '10's (plus 3 each for Sheila 

& Rick), I'll bring one along the next time I'm through Buffalo. 

27507 BuffaloLou 2012-10-08 16:36:12 @DT - I purchased 3 x '09 from Berserkerfest. Sadly, one met the floor the wrong way and I had 750ml of good 

juice all over! Still have two, though. Thanks anyway for the offer. 




27508 mr21cbs 2012-10-08 16:38:19 @David_T and BuffaloLou, not to worry. I did get in on the 2010 Halcon Alturas Syrah. I read your notes on the 

2009, and saw Lou's purchase of the 2010 case. I really enjoyed a few different syrah from California, and 

decided to go in. Plus my wife started her new contract today, and syrah is one of her favorite varietals. 

~ 

David, are you rebuilding that deck or just demolishing? Looks like you have some great help, but the project is 

pretty ambitious. I did build an addition to my deck, and it takes plenty of effort to do it right. Good luck with 

your construction. 

27509 David T 2012-10-08 19:20:11 We spent the weekend taking off the surface boards that were there (not in the best shape and in the process 

discovered some of the frame/supports were built kind of questionably). In the spring, we're going to beef up the 

existing frame/supports then replace the surface with Trex while expanding it slightly. Any tips/cautions/advice 

would be much appreciated. When all is said and done, there will certainly be an off-line scheduled in Cleveland :) 

27510 mr21cbs 2012-10-08 21:15:44 David, I have not installed Trex as mine was an add-on to an existing deck, but my sister did the Trex replacement 

and it is awesome. 

It looked like your deck is pretty low, mine is raised, so protect from anything growing under it. Also, I would 

consider an awning above it seasonal or permanent as it gets pretty hot here in PA. Ohio is different I'm sure. 

Access from inside and outside, which was my add-on, place for a grill, optional wine/beer cooler. 

27513 NY Pete 2012-10-09 01:44:52 nice to hear and see a Mobius musicfest here in the hills. cheers. 

27514 David T 2012-10-09 04:02:50 I like the sound of a built-in beer/wine cooler :) 

Happy 4am, yay working night shift. Yes, I WILL be drinking wine when I get home at 8am :P 

Any East Coasters early risers? The map is showing someone in PA & NJ. Keep me entertained. 




27517 vinmoet 2012-10-09 11:58:15 Am confirmed for mid November in Bordeaux. Its the latest that I've gone for harvest season. Usually preferred 

to go mid October but have gradually migrated later so I could taste in the tank prior to wood. Going early is 

more fun but you're tasting fermenting juice, not wine. So, from a hardcore geek standpoint, later is better. This 

season they are trying to ripen the cabernet sauvignon as much as possible and are delay the harvest as weather 

permits. 

This year, we are flying in to Bordeaux airport and staying one night in the City. I love the airport there. It is 

small. At the luggage carrousels they have these 15 foot high faux Bordeaux bottles. They also have a mini 

vineyard planted out front. 

Once we park ourselves at the hotel. we will shower and then go out for dinner. This is a very old restaurant that 

has continuously reinvented itself and has an haut cuisine menu with serious accolades: http://www.chaponfin.com/ 

We've not eaten there before and I tend to prefer much more traditional fare, but we thought we'd go 

trendy for once. 

All my peeps are confirming that this is uniformly a "winemaker's vintage." So, the 2009 vintage I keep railing 

27518 Brooks 2012-10-09 12:00:50 H01y Cr4p I'm feeling good, I'm feeling oh so fine 

Until tomorrow, but that's just some other time 

27520 NY Pete 2012-10-09 19:34:14 Michael, surely you must have a new QPR deal stashed away somewhere in cyberspace. 

27521 louas 2012-10-09 21:02:08 RE: WL Oriel Sygnet offer. Have any inmates tried this juice. I think I may have and liked it, but honestly, can't 

remember and of course no notes. 

2004 Oriel Sygnet Shiraz. $19.99 by the case 

27522 mr21cbs 2012-10-09 22:28:22 Pete, I do and will post in the morning. Good night. 


1999 Araujo Estate Syrah 

Eisele Vineyard - USA, California, Napa Valley (10/9/2012) 

A sensational bottle! I tend to like Araujo's Syrahs more than their Cabs. The nose is all leather, violets, white 

pepper, and cedar. Lush and velvety with intense blueberry and blackberry, coffee, and a hint of white pepper on 

the mid-palate and a hint of bacon on the finish. The finish lasts and lasts. Easily 60+ seconds. (94 points) 


27526 Scott W 2012-10-10 00:39:59 @louas I have tried the Oriel and found it was very heavy and raisiny. YMMV 

27527 BuffaloLou 2012-10-10 01:30:54 So mellow. So relaxing. I love to chill (and doze) to this: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuHg3WcwZSQ 




27528 BuffaloLou 2012-10-10 01:33:57 @Scott - "Heavy and raisiny" Sounds nice on a cold, Buffalo, Winter night! 

27531 McMalbec 2012-10-10 08:09:10 @Lou- sweet. I also enjoy the version Jimi does with The Band of Gypsies. 

Time to wake up on a chilly morning, however. Since you got it started, will play, Fire. 

27532 louas 2012-10-10 09:36:41 Thank you Scott 

27533 BuffaloLou 2012-10-10 09:52:13 Halcon shipping! 

@cbs - Haven't hear about the boys lately. Are they still swimming or is there a break until Winter? 

27534 BuffaloLou 2012-10-10 13:20:00 It's back up! (the site, that is... ) 

Nice job, cbs! 

27535 mr21cbs 2012-10-10 13:30:14 Hi! Our site have been down this morning due to a server failure. Everything has been corrected. I will run the 

scripts and backups to make sure that our priceless conversations are preserved for future generations. Sorry for 

the inconvenience and any moral damage this temporary absence may have caused. 

27537 vinmoet 2012-10-10 14:19:13 Thanks for your tireless efforts here cbs. They are much appreciated, perhaps by a bunch of reprobates, but 

appreciated nonetheless. 




27538 vinmoet 2012-10-10 15:24:23 Remember how undervalued I suggested the 2009 Chateau Batailley http://www.batailley.com/en.html was? 

My pricing weeks ago was $40 plus shipping and I provided the link. That supply is now gone. The pricing is 

upwards of 55 to 66 on searcher which, for this wine, is still a steal. Its not going to go down in price and at $70, 

drinks, at twice the price. I just paid $135 to ship a magnum to someone as a gift and I still feel that that was a 

bargain even though I bought cases at $40 per bottle. I'm not the only one who likes it: 

Robert Parker 94: "The finest Batailley I have had in many years, the dense purple-colored 2009 exhibits a 

boatload of tannin as well as sweet, caramelized, black currant fruit intermixed with hints of charcoal, cedarwood 

and smoke, a full-bodied mouthfeel and the aforementioned high, but sweet, well-integrated tannin displaying 

no jaggedness. Batailley often requires considerable patience as it can be one of the longest-lived Pauillacs. 

Atypically for Batailley, the 2009 should be ready to drink in 5-7 years and keep for three decades." 

Wine Spectator 92-95 "Currant and blackberry on the nose, with hints of toasted oak. Full-bodied, with big, 

chewy tannins. This is the biggest Batailley in years. Lots of improvement here." 

Neal Martin 94-96: "Tasted at the château and UGC. Picking commenced with the Merlot on the 24th 

September, for the Cabernet we started on the 29th September, finishing on 11th October and the Petit Verdot 

the 12th October. A blend of 74% Cabernet Sauvignon, 22% Merlot, 2% Cabernet Franc and 2% Petit Verdot, this 

Batailley has a ripe nose of blackberry, black plum, sandalwood, mint and just a hint of white flowers. Not a huge 

intense nose, but much more refined, very Pauillac. The palate is medium-bodied, rounded and quite supple 

tannins, yet good backbone as always on this Batailley. Very harmonious, insistent but gentle grip, a slightly 

27540 McMalbec 2012-10-10 18:14:27 @ Vin: coincidentally, took delivery yesterday of a case of the 2009 Chateau Batailley that I paid $50 a bottle for, 

including shipping. Thank you for the recommendation on this and other Bordeaux's.Last night I read through the 

October K&L newsletter where they talked about at least a dozen new 2009 Bordeaux releases. They all 

sound sooo good! 

Although I'm still recovering from almost 2 weeks of Czech and German heavy food and drink, I did salivate a 

little bit over the photographs and menu for the restaurant you will be dining at Bordeaux. Bon appétit! For a 

first trip to this region, I imagine you would suggest utilizing a commercial to work or a professional guide. 

Although my wife has been a frequent visitor to France, she has never been in the Bordeaux area both and of us 

are novices when it comes to Bordeaux wines. If you have any suggestions for a first trip to the area, I would 

appreciate them. 

27541 Scott W 2012-10-10 18:34:05 @Blou we don't get many cold Winter nights out here so I will leave the rest for you :) 

And if there are anymore buyers for the 2009 Chateau Batailley, JJBuckley still has them for 40.00 I think it is the 

same one everyone is talking about?, I guess I will have to pickup a six pack! 




27542 vinmoet 2012-10-10 21:29:03 McMalbec: Proud of you on the purchase. Your only disappointment will be that you didn't buy more. 

With regards to travel there, you need to find your own comfort zone with how to travel. My thought is that if 

you've traveled in Europe once, then there is no reason to have a guide for Bordeaux. The challenge is focusing 

on what you want to visit and then making some advance reservations. Depending upon when you go, you can 

visit the best Chateaux in the world and taste there for no cost whatsoever. A gps and a car and you're efficient. 

A car only and a sense of humor, and you'll be lost having a blast. I'll be more than happy to help you out. You'd 

be surprised how easy (and cost effective) this can be. I've helped poor folks and billionaires alike have a great 

time there. Its easy to do an insanely priced premier cru trip there but, frankly, my blue collar version is more 

fun. Taste at Haut Brion and eat at an old school French truck stop in the same day, now that is living. 

The best time of year to go is September through October. Good weather, everything open, prices cheaper, and 

no tourists. I'm going in mid November which stinks weather wise. That said, it will be fantastic. This will be my 

shortest trip there ever. But the vintage is so bad, that's just fine from a wine perspective. Am really going to 

see friends and family. But, have targeted some must do tasting and some wine geek mix 'em ups. Love it there. 

As far as restaurants in that City, Parker and I (and not in that order) both love http://www.latupina.com/pagesen/index.php 

(I even picked the English link for you). Insane, old time food at reasonable prices. Yeah, they 

27543 K is for Kate 2012-10-10 21:55:28 @vinmoet - I envy your upcoming Bordeaux trip! One of these days I will get to spend some time getting to 

know France a bit. I've only been to Toulon, which had good strawberries at the Farmers' Market and a very nice 

shopkeeper at the wine shop I visited, but that's about all I have to say for it. 

It is definitely appropriate weather for my tasting, but unfortunately the size of the TV does matter a little since 

my guests would need to be able to read the subtitles and it's really not suitable for anyone with less than 

excellent eyesight on mine. 

27544 K is for Kate 2012-10-10 22:03:22 @McMalbec- I do love the Madison Farmers' Market and it did not leave me wanting for anything except oats, 

which seems like something I should be able to find but can't. As for wine, though, I would have a hard time 

sticking to local unless I could include Michigan. I wish Wollershiem was clearer in their labeling in designating 

which of their wines are made from Wisconsin-grown grapes and which are not. I recently visited Fisher King 

Winery for the first time and thought they had potential, especially their wine from Marquette hybrid grapes. It 

wasn't available for sale yet when I visited since the labels had not yet arrived for the bottles, but I am planning 

to pick some up for Thanksgiving as it has a nice Autumn spice character. 

27545 K is for Kate 2012-10-10 22:09:22 @WineKnurd- After loving the Lopez de Heredia white wines so much we are a little worried about the reds 

disappointing, so it's good to hear your assessment that both are strong. :) I think we will also be tasting the 

rose, which looks fascinating. 




27549 David T 2012-10-11 08:31:36 Working third shift this week means enjoying wine at 8am ;) wuwt? 

27550 McMalbec 2012-10-11 10:32:37 @David T: Packer fans are hard core. What wines do you prefer with brats? 

27551 louas 2012-10-11 10:47:42 @McMalbec: Sudsy wines 

27552 john o' 2012-10-11 12:57:09 Scott 

Unfortunately, a different wine. 

27553 mr21cbs 2012-10-11 12:58:25 @BuffaloLou, the boys do swim, in fact swim more. They outgrew their former swim team so we had to move 

them to a USA Swimming only (no school or local meets) team. The intensity and distances are so significant: 5 

practices a week with around 30K per week, that we dumped our private coach as well. This dumping cleared a 

lot of cash for other more pleasant purchases, like wine :devil:. The only downside is that the pool is 45-60 

minutes away, so driving them there, then waiting for a 2 hour practice, then back kills any free time I have ever 

had. But I do run or bike while they swim, read, watch movies on my iPad, and think about life. Their latest times 

were very serious, so all that hard work seems to pay off. Oh, and the little one started swimming regularly, 

albeit at a different pool with my father for now. 

27554 Scott W 2012-10-11 13:41:07 @John o' Thanks, I was thinking it must be to good to be true. 

27556 vinmoet 2012-10-11 15:14:46 Looking for red burgundy QPR's...keep trying and having trouble finding an every day drinker. Suggestions? 

27557 David T 2012-10-11 15:32:26 I agree 100% w/ Louas 

: 

Might we someday see mr21cbs on TV as the next Debbie Phelps?! 

27559 NaH 2012-10-11 17:24:31 @Vinny. Re: Burgs 

QPR reds or whites? 

What is your definition of QPR? $20's, $30's ?? 

I'll find you some!! 

27560 vinmoet 2012-10-11 18:25:35 Thanks. Reds. It wasn't that long ago that you could buy 2005 Parent for $17ish. I don't think I've seen reds 

under $20 for some time. I'd love something in that range but am realistic to be under $30. Something for a 

weeknight... 

27561 Scott W 2012-10-11 18:39:41 @Vinmoet I am no expert but I bought this from the JJ Buckley clearance sale for under $20 reg price 29.99 and it 

is flat out delicious.. 

2009 Domaine Vincent & Sophie Morey Chassagne-Montrachet Rouge Pinot Noir 





Give me the weekend and I will get some for you. 

27566 BuffaloLou 2012-10-12 08:59:14 @cbs - Oh my, that's a difficult schedule, esp for you! Smart man using the time productively! Happy for you 

now having some available cash. Making any significant wine purchases? Building a cellar? So, do the boys have 

an idol? Michael Phelps? 

Last night: Enjoyed a delicious petite sirah. Not complex nor sophisticated, just very tasty. 2010 McManis Petite 

Sirah. $10. BIG fruit. Jammy. Ripping acidity helps balance it out, but there aren't any secondary flavors. It's 

just simple goodness. I found it more similar to an Oz Shiraz, but not as round, than anything else. So if you're 

looking for something along these lines, your 10 bones will be well served. 

So inmates, what are you all drinking? Not seeing many TNs these days... 

27567 vinmoet 2012-10-12 09:34:04 Thanks Nah. Appreciate the effort, no rush. 

27568 mr21cbs 2012-10-12 09:35:41 @BuffaloLou, the schedule is manageable. Boys seem to enjoy their workouts, new companions, the facility is 

pretty good too. They have their washing board abs to show for the hard work, are pretty lean, and have no free 

time for stupidity. 

My recent purchases include Andrew Will Cab Franc and Syrah, per NaH recommendation. I also bought some 

left over St. Francis Cab Franc from WTSO. Plenty of Vintage Port, Sauternes, and Tokaji from LBW. All of my 

purchases are yet to arrive from LBW, and should last us through the winter. I am also dabbling on Super 

Tuscans, 2009 Bordeaux, and Grenache based wines. 

Have not gotten to the cellar yet, as we just splurged on rebuilding/remodeling our bathrooms. What a sticker 

shock that was. The material prices are out of control... 

Cheers! 

27570 BuffaloLou 2012-10-12 12:51:54 @cbs - At least they're learning good discipline! re: purchases. Nice! I'd love to hear about the Andrew Will Cab 

Franc and Syrah when you get around to trying them. 

27573 McMalbec 2012-10-12 18:42:48 @BLou: sounds like Red Flannel weather! 

I have some errands to run, but might not be able to post more today. Leaving around dinner time for the first of 

three consecutive weekends of camping. Going to be a cold one tonight... 19-20 deg F! In a tent! 




27574 ptaylor2112 2012-10-12 22:37:41 Hey everyone - Long time no post for me. In the last few months, I have: 

- moved to Knoxville, TN (where my wife is taking her 1yr academic sabbatical at U-T) 

- visited the Willamette Valley (I'll post highlights one of these days) 

- visited Woodinville, WA (again, highlights to come one of these days) 

But the big story is that Cindy has the 2006 San Roman on sale this weekend for $29.99! (6 bottle minimum.) I'm 

pretty sure I bought mine for $37.37 a few months ago. This is a great deal! 

ptaylor2112 

27577 BuffaloLou 2012-10-13 04:01:38 Checking in from my toasty sleeping bag in Colden, NY. Killer sky/stars out early this AM! 

@McM - new high tech fabrics and some good ole low tech wool keeps me very comfy! Although the H2O in my 

H2O bottle is starting to freeze! 

27578 BuffaloLou 2012-10-13 04:48:33 Couldn't resist another 3 SRT at that price... 

27579 mr21cbs 2012-10-13 07:36:43 I also went for 3 SRT bottles. My wife enjoys it and she should be spoiled. 

Been up since 5:15am as my Saturdays are like that due to the early morning swimming practices. No bike ride 

this morning as it is low 30s and I have a cold. But will run later. 

Have a wonderful autumn weekend! 



27580 NaH 2012-10-13 09:03:25 Hello ALL 


I wanted to pass along some fantastic wine buys. I'm going to this Italian wine tasting today. Prices are 

FANTASTIC (check CT and Wine Searcher) 

I'm sure if someone is interested in purchasing, shipping can be worked out. 

Contact me at rn_jim@hotmail.com (I have no interest in this financially, just want to pass along great wine at 

great prices) 

Two elite estates run by legendary oenologist Andrea Franchetti in both Tuscany and Sicily, as well as a three 

year vertical of Aglianico's most elegant wine, Elena Fucci's "Titolo". 

ALL PRICES ARE THE BEST IN THE USA (BY A LOT!) IF NOT THE WORLD......... 

www.passopisciaro.com 

From Passopisciaro of Mt Etna: From the volcanic soils of the slopes of Mt Etna, this is one of Sicily's finest, if not 

finest, estate. 

2011 Guardiola Chardonnay $29 (92 points for the 2010) 

2010 Passopisciaro $32 (92 and 93 points every year it has been reviewed by Galloni) 

2009 Franchetti $129 (96 in the Advocate) THIS IS AMAZING.....BEST PRICE IN THE USA BY A LOT!!! 

www.tenutaditrinoro.it 

From Tenuta di Trinoro of Tuscany (Franchetti's other project): From southern Tuscany, this estate rivals such 

l d i id ( i i ) d h d ll' ll i f h fi l b d 

27583 John O' 2012-10-14 10:44:56 Received a solicitation from my private client guy at JJ Buckley. $25 credit for me and $25 credit on first order 

for anyone I refer. 

At the risk of shilling, he comes across with very good offers. Almost always the best price in the US and the 

occasional super deal from a winery sale, etc. 

If anyone would like me to sign them up, e-mail me at: 

osullfam at gmail dot com. 

27584 Julius 2012-10-14 11:22:39 @ NaH - Sounds like you were at Robert Panzer's house last night. I would have liked to make it but Wilmington, 

DE was too long a schlep from NYC. 




27586 luddite 2012-10-14 15:07:12 Paid $19.99 from WineShopper for the '07 Titolo with FS on 5 (mix or match orders over $99). They have offered 

it several times at that price. Are you saying $35 for the 3-year vertical? That is a great price! 

27588 WineKnurd 2012-10-14 21:09:13 Hopefully BLou's wine hasn't frozen in his canteen! 

27589 vinmoet 2012-10-14 21:11:54 Kids and I made dinner tonight. Made rack of lamb on the grill with fresh tarragon. As sides we made white 

asparagus salad, and Orzo. The recipe was too darn easy but it was great: http://mamastaverna.com/orzocooked-in-tomato-sauce-manestra/ 

Crazy easy. 

The Mrs. agree that I am king of restaurant style cooking....fresh grilled/simple ingredients by recipe. Where 

there is real skill involved, like sauces etc., Mrs. V is reigning queen. Any rate, that orzo recipe was easy and 

delicious. Even Mrs. V was duly impressed. 

27590 WineKnurd 2012-10-14 21:38:09 Vinny, I hear that lamb pairs well with red Bordeaux, you should try it some time :) 

27591 BuffaloLou 2012-10-14 21:58:05 Back from yet another successful Scout campout. 20 deg F on Friday night (I was cosy warm in my sleeping bag 

with a fleece liner and an additional fleece blanket on top), rain and wind all though the late night/early AM on 

Saturday/Sunday (BLou discovers that he needs a new tent... ) Still, boys had a GREAT time with the 

Orienteering/navigation/Search & Rescue Camporee. So, what does one do after a tiring weekend? 

- arrive home 

- unpack 

- shower 

(Note: Scout Alex FELL ASLEEP IN THE SHOWER! When they come home this tired, we know it was a successful 

weekend!) 

- TAKE A NAP! 

- a quick dinner 

- what else, attend another Scout meeting! 

Next weekend: Yep, more Scout camping. The weekend after that? Family camping! (Note: Family camping = I 

can drink wine!) 

Now: working on killing a bottle of Malbec. (Hey, one has to make up for lost time!) 

@Knurd - Funny you should say... the water in my water bottle froze Friday night! 

Fun weekend, but good to be home! 




27598 vinmoet 2012-10-15 11:27:07 WK: Not counting Friday night, I actually had a Bordeaux free weekend. Sat. night we ate at an Indian restaurant 

which had no liquor license and no corking fee. Took a 2011 Chateau Roubine Rosé Cuvée Classique Cru Classé 

Côtes de Provence. About $20, a wonderful wine. While cooking the lamb, I finished an opened Ondarre (just a 

wonderful wine, superior QPR IMHO). With the lamb we enjoyed a 2006 Olivier Leflaive Bourgogne Cuvée 

Margot. This is a red burgundy that used to sell in the mid teens and now sells in the high twenties. Its a lighter 

red, modest ABV and a solid wine but not such a good QPR over the $20 mark. Wonderful with the lamb. But, 

WK, you are correct. Bordeaux would be such a perfect match. 

Hey, on the orzo recipe that I linked up... they were suggesting using tomato sauce. Instead, just puree either 

fresh tomatoes or at least puree canned tomatoes in the same quantity as the recipe. If you use a 

salted/flavored sauce of any kind, IMHO you would lose the purity of the acid from the tomato and the nuances 

of the garlic and olive oil. It really doesn't get any easier. 

27600 ptaylor2112 2012-10-15 13:43:08 Vinmoet, you could not be more correct re: the ease of making homemade tomato sauce. 

- finely dice 1 small white or vidalia onion, then saute in olive oil for about 5 minutes 

- add minced garlic and red pepper flakes, then sautee another 30 seconds to 1 minute 

- add 1 big can (28 oz) of pureed tomatoes 

- add 1/2 to 1 cup red wine 

- add a couple of basil cuttings (to be removed when sauce is finished) 

- salt and pepper to taste 

- slowly simmer for at least 60 minutes, preferably longer 

Piece of cake! 

27606 TonyO 2012-10-15 21:37:05 a liberal splash of sherry while added to the saute of the of onions/garlic/crushed red pepper adds a great hint of 

sweetness and a great aroma to the kitchen .... 





2004 Venus La Universal 

Montsant Venus - Spain, Catalunya, Tarragona, Montsant (10/15/2012) 

C: deep plum 

N: loads of floral notes (mostly violets), tobacco, orange-spice, blackberry, leather 

P: raspberry, blackberry, cassis, slight floral notes, hint of tobacco 

F: medium 

Delicate and balanced. Beautiful wine. Fully integrated, sweet, tannins. Nice acidity, would be nice with food, but 

I think flavors are too delicate to stand up to food. (90 points) 


27608 louas 2012-10-16 00:23:19 @ptaylor2112: don't forget 1/2 grated carrot and a pinch or two of thyme prior to adding the tomatoes. Just 

had a glass or two of X winery red blend at the Valley Ho in Scottsdale. Very very nice. 

27612 vinmoet 2012-10-16 10:44:34 So, France chooses to NOT tax museums for works of art worth more than 50,000 Euros and holds its proposed 

new income tax to just 75% of income over a million euros. http://www.france24.com/en/20121016-francebacks-off-art-tax-museum-uproar-wealth-ayrault-eckert-economy-debt-busget-paris 

Maybe its the higher ABV wine that's getting to them? 

27613 ptaylor2112 2012-10-16 11:05:28 @louas and @TonyO: Thanks for the tips! 

27616 BuffaloLou 2012-10-16 23:53:10 2006 Havens Syrah tonight. This bottle is not as good as the others. It's out of balance with acid overpowering 

the fruit. :( 

27623 jovino 2012-10-17 12:41:49 Anyone else in on the Dulcamara? I was a huge fan of the '06 and had remembered liking the '07. Had the '07 a 

week ago and wasn't all that impressed, but I think I didn't give it a full decant. In for 12. I went a little nuts on 

the San Roman and bought 24 (now that I'm living in TX, I have to really want something to order from Cindy and 

send it to my office in Indy for a quick reship). I drank it on Friday with a 3 hour decant and thought it was pretty 

good. I opened another on Saturday with the same decant, but this time drank it after a Sempre Vive '02 blue 

label cab. After the complex cab, the San Roman tasted like a fruity mess. Is it too young? Am I getting 

sophisticated? I cut my order back to 12 and will sit on the SRT for a couple of years. I wonder if I'll have the 

same problem with the Dulcamara. As for the Sempre Vive mentioned above, there have been a few deals for 

that winery floating around. All the cabs are a great buy at big discount, but the blue label is a real step up from 

the white. 




27624 jovino 2012-10-17 12:44:17 @ B-Lou - I am very pleased to hear the positive review for the '04 Venus. That was the red served at our 

wedding (head table only, I was on a budget). I bought several to have on our anniversaries. Last March it 

seemed like it was heading down hill and I wondered if we should drink all of them to celebrate our anniversary 

this year. Do you think it has many years left in the tank? 

27625 BuffaloLou 2012-10-17 13:02:12 @jovino - Went in on 4 of the Dulcamara. I liked the CT reviews, especially the review by JVG. Was going to go 

in for a 6 pack, but waiting to see the other two offers today. I'm also considering the Suzana Balbo Malbec offer. 

re: '04 Venus. I do not see the wine improving any more. I'm going to drink up within a year. You could always 

celebrate future anniversaries with newer vintages of the Venus. 

27633 McMalbec 2012-10-18 13:28:39 @BLou: "I’m also considering the Suzana Balbo Malbec offer." where is it? 

27635 WineKnurd 2012-10-18 19:31:24 BLou, I was never a huge fan of the Venus. I got almost nothing on the palate or nose from 2 bottles. Maybe I am 

just too dense to get these "subtle" notes or I got double unlucky. 

27636 BuffaloLou 2012-10-18 20:19:51 @McM: Sadly, I see that it's now sold out. (Kicking myself in the behind... ) Here is the offer: 

https://winelibrary.com/specials/17521-2010susanabalmal 

@Knurd - The Venus, for the first 45-60 minutes or so, was near aromatically dead. Even after, aromatics were 

very delicate. It was a challenge, but they were there. When I first popped it, I was very disappointed. But 

eventually, it came around. That said, I will be consuming the remaining 7 bottles sooner rather than later. 

27637 WineKnurd 2012-10-18 20:59:37 BLou- only 7 bottles left? They might not make it through the end of the month :) 

27639 BuffaloLou 2012-10-18 21:41:35 @Knurd - Touche'! LOL! 

27640 BuffaloLou 2012-10-18 21:48:57 Warwick Estate Professor Black Stellenbosch Sauvignon Blanc 2011 on WTSO now. I had an earlier vintage of 

this. Not Earth shattering, but a good deal at this price point. Also a good opportunity to try a SB from South 

Africa. I'm more into Riesling and Gewurtz now, so I'm passing, but I would have jumped on this in the past. 

Also, looks like a nice everyday drinker on Cindy tonight (RdM). Anyone have any thoughts? 

27641 WineKnurd 2012-10-18 22:35:02 RdM's can be hit or miss in my experience, I would rather save the $78 clams on something else. I personally like 

Spain, Languedoc, and S. Rhone for those value daily drinkers under $15. 

27642 BuffaloLou 2012-10-18 22:39:33 Sage advice from 'da Knurd'. 

27643 WineKnurd 2012-10-18 22:43:06 I dont know if its sage advice, more like oregano advice :) 

27644 WineKnurd 2012-10-18 22:51:13 Anyone else care to chime in on their go to QPR region? Spain & Langeudoc-Rousillion for me, both reds and 

whites at that $10-12 price point can drink like $20 bottles. 




27645 BuffaloLou 2012-10-18 23:04:34 Nice topic, Knurd. Spain has been a QPR region for me for 20 years. (It was even better before Wine Spectator 

blew the whistle on it in the early 90s!) Some descent Malbecs coming from Argentina these days, too. I like 

Gigondas for QPRs also. As far as whites, Washington State Rieslings as well as Finger Lakes Rieslings are quite 

good. Many $10-$15. 

27646 WineKnurd 2012-10-18 23:15:35 I like Gigondas too, but in my market they have gotten expensive. I remember back around 06 when they were 

virtually unknown and you could get Gigondas and Vacqueyras under $20. Good call on Washington Rieslings, I 

recently had the 2007 and 2010 Milbrandt Rieslings, both very good at $12. 


2004 Two Hands Shiraz 

Gnarly Dudes - Australia, South Australia, Barossa, Barossa Valley (10/18/2012) 

Solid QPR. A serious funk on the nose takes 60-90 minutes to blow off. Even after, it has a earthy-blood-jerky 

funk long after. Typical Oz Shiraz opaque black-purple color. Intense blackberry on the nose with a hint of 

vanilla/cream. Fig. Fat, round, and smooth on the palate with more intense blackberry (typical Oz fruit-forward 

style), smoke, cedarbox, spice, black cherry. Nice acidity balances fruit. Smooth and balanced. Very long finish. 

Would not know this wine is 15%ABV.Two Hands is a solid producer. I haven't had a product from them I didn't 

like. (91 points) 


27648 BuffaloLou 2012-10-18 23:25:32 Forgot... Washington Gewurtz, too. <$15 buys some nice juice. Mrs. BLou loves them! 

Agreed on the Gigondas. Back in the mid to late 90s, you could buy a nice Gigondas sub-$15. Then again, that 

was quite a while ago. The $ isn't trading well on the international market and it's hurting imported 

wines. 

I travel to Virginia every Summer. Some nice wines coming from there, but nothing I've found that 

I'd rec, yet. Mostly whites... Riesling... Anyone have any input? 

Not quite killer QPR, but Paso Robles (CA) seems to put out some nice juice at a fair price, too. 

Not sure if you'd call them QPR, but Niagara-on-the-Lake is putting out some KILLER ice wines and some 

very nice off-dry Rieslings, too. Problem is, they may not be readily available. A simple 'drive across the 

bridge' for me, but not so for most. Back when the US$ was trading better agains the CDN$, Marinissen 

(N-o-t-L) was putting out a nice Bdx blend that was well worth the $14-$15 price. 



27650 BuffaloLou 2012-10-18 23:48:10 Subject change: Saving the environment... 


I've been slowly replacing the light bulbs in the house with L.E.D. bulbs. They've come a long way in the past few 

years. Much brighter, and 'warm' options (read: not 'bright white', like tungston bulbs). While prices are coming 

down, and lumens/$ are increasing, they're still pricy. Bulbs remain, mostly, $20-$30 each. Philips has a nice 

rebate now; purchase $15 or more in bulbs (not sure if you can buy a bulb for less than $15... ) get a $5 rebate! 

Here's the link: 

www.philips.com/ledrebate page down to bottom and look for: LED Rebate Form (pdf) Sadly, only one rebate 

per household. 

Saving the environment, pt II: I can only assume everyone recycles. Have you noticed a marked increase in 

recyclable materials over the past year or so? My garbage can is going out with less and less every week and my 

recyclable bin has doubled! Or am I just becoming obsessive? 

Saving the environment, pt. III: Do you compost? We have a good sized garden (900 sq ft.), and I try to compost 

as much material as possible. Ideally, approx 50-50 green-brown matter. There are times when the brown 

matter is sparse so I substitute shredded paper towel and toilet paper rolls (you know, those things that seem to 

fill up your garbage pail?) They decompose very quickly and there isn't any ink on them. Very eco-friendly. 

27651 BuffaloLou 2012-10-19 01:22:48 Interesting Amarone on WTSO now; Azienda Agricola Monte Del Fra Tenuta Lena Di Mezzo Amarone della 

Valpolicella Classico DOC 2007. I know nothing about it. Notes sound very tasty to me. Typical Amarone profile. 

WS93. WE89. May or may not agree with these, but they give a general idea, IMO. No CT notes, but three 

ratings, 92, 92, 93. CT page: https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1275959 

For $25, worth a try. 




27655 redstar 2012-10-19 08:25:54 @BL - be careful recycling paper - anything white has likely gone through bleaching or other chemical process. 

Even unbleached paper may have chemicals added to assist in fiber separation. Also anything recycled generally 

has trace inks in them - for example most corrugated boxes these days have a 50%+ recycled content, which 

generally comes from previously used carboard boxes - many of which were originally printed or bleached. For 

me, I don't want that stuff in my garden, especially for my veggies. 

Gigondas/Vacquernas/CDR in general I still feel like I see a lot of deals out there on these wines. WL puts them 

out there on occasion, with bloated RP scores mandatory. Personally I think the scores he's given out to 

Southern Rhone in general since 2007 are ridiculous. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of grenache heavy wines - in 

rhone they tend to be jammy without enough acidity. 

For my QPR Reds I find myself gravitating to Italy. Aglianico, Nero, Barbera and Sangio all make great food 

friendly wines with the acidity I like. There are a lot of super tuscans that are really tasty in the $12-18 range. 

For Whites the Loire just can't be beat. Fantastic Chenin on the cheap...even their absolute top producers like 

chidaine/huet/foreau go for $20-30. Hands down my favorite whites, and can be aged longer than most reds. 

Also love Spain - starting to get into some of the aged traditional reservas and gran reservas from Rioja. Where 

else can you get an absolute top wine from the mid 90's, recently released from cellar for $50-80? These wines 

27658 WineKnurd 2012-10-19 09:12:11 re- Environment: I have a fire pit where I burn wood, paper and cardboard. I also fill a paper bag with kitchen 

waste- egg shells, coffee grounds, onions skins, carrot tops, etc; and throw this on the fire as well. I then collect 

the ash and work it into the soils of my garden. The heat will break down inks, dyes, and other chemicals. I don't 

know if this ash is as nutrient rich as composting, but I have seen some improvement in certain beds (though we 

do not grow the same plants in the same beds each year). I think the main benefit of having ash laden soil is that 

it retains moisture much better than regular soil. Less watering = good. 

re- Italy: I love Italian wines, but I overall I find the quality in the $10 - 15 range to be greatly variable, even in 

"value" wines like Langhe Nebbiolo, Barbera, Soave, Valpolicella, etc. In general, I would rather pay $20-25 for an 

Italian wine with solid quality and look to Spain for that daily value. There are exceptions of course, but Italy to 

me is a "get what you pay for" region. 

Agree with Loire on whites, though my beloved Sancerre has skyrocketed to almost $30 / bottle here. 




27661 redstar 2012-10-19 10:45:43 You're right about variability - I've had a few Dolcetto's and Barberas recently that were below average. At the 

same time, wines like the Caburnio ($15 and $11 on the locals deal), Frasinello Sughere ($16), Di Majo Norante 

Ramitello ($12) are easy to find and to me at least deliver more than a lot of Spanish wines. 

The Ramitello is a great one for a QPR - it is one of the cheapest wines I have that are delicious AND interesting. 

It has a bit of funk, probably from the 20% aglianico, but loads of fruit. The other 80% is Montepulciano, another 

grape I love in the value category. 

I virtually never by Rosso Di Montalcino...you're paying for the name on what generally is very average juice (for 

most producers). I'm not sold on quality of Brunello either - most of the less known producers don't seem to 

warrant the price tag even at all the blowout prices. 

What Spanish QPR recs would you recommend? 

27662 redstar 2012-10-19 10:55:39 One thing to consider when burning things is that heavy metals are left behind and become concentrated over 

time. Most inks these days should be fine, but its worth noting. You also want to make sure you don't burn any 

coated paper - that includes even slightly glossy magazines. UV coatings are not bio-degradable, and it can 

sometimes be difficult to tell if coatings are water soluble or UV. 

27664 BaroloDude 2012-10-19 13:43:01 @NaH... cannot agree more re Trinoro Le Cupole. Best great Cab Franc value in the world imho. One of my top 5 

all time wines (the early 2000s vintages were awesome and quality has stayed consistent since). 

@redstar and others re RdM.... funny, i have been gravitating TOWARDS RdM more and more in the last few 

years. Selective though for sure. When i get asked which BdM to buy (esp for short term or that night drinking) 

i steer people to quality RdM instead, as a baby brunello style RdM is more ready to go, and a lot cheaper than 

the full BdM price tag. Favorite value RdMs include: Ferrero, La Fortuna... midrange: Canalicchio di Sopra, Sesta 

di Sopra, and in the upper range: Valdicava, Siro P (but NOT a value for sure, def a lot cheaper than the full BdM if 

you just have a jones for good Montalcino that night and want something ready to pop). 

Give RdM another chance! No cellaring really needed... instant goodness. 

Actual wine chat, wow. 

Ok, now back to nonwine chat. Big weekend. SF Giants got to hang in there and pull one win in St Louis off 

tonight... and of course Go Cal Bears, beat Stanfurd. 




27666 BuffaloLou 2012-10-19 14:00:46 lastcallwines.com has Louis XIII, $1899, shipping included. Better hurry, they have only 2 bottles... ;) Seriously, 

good stuff, but for the $, I like Cordon Bleu Cognac. Admittedly, not in the same league. 

27667 mr21cbs 2012-10-19 15:12:32 BuffaloLou, I already overspent today splitting two 4-packs of 2007 Perrin & Fils Châteauneuf-du-Pape Les 

Sinards from LBW and 2009 La Bastide Blanche Bandol from EmpireShip4Free. I will be getting 2 of each but still 

they were $25/btl. 

27668 redstar 2012-10-19 15:19:14 My experience with Brunello is not comprehensive, especially when it comes to older vintages. I have however 

tried quite a few over the last several years and find them often far to "new world" for my personal tastes, and 

the base RdM similar to $15 Chianti. I'm painting with an extremely broad brush here (as well as in my previous 

posts), and thats never a good idea in the world of wine....but just giving my general feelings. 

There are a couple producers I've really enjoyed like Poggione, Talenti, Lisini, Fuligni and Soldera. Only had the 

98' Soldera on blowout at the PA stores and it was a really special bottle. Can only imagine what the "better" 

vintages are like, but have a tough time dropping $300+ to find out! 

Let me know if you see a cheap traditional RdM to try out, always interested! 

27670 David T 2012-10-19 18:36:21 Regarding recycling/composting, we have bi-weekly recycling and weekly garbage. I wish it was the opposite as 

we rarely have more than one bag of garbage/week plus a bag of cat litter, but our recycling is always 

overflowing. We have this composter http://www.walmart.com/ip/ComboSpin-70CM-Composter-with-Rolling- 

Base/15540520 

As far as QPR, for me right now it's anything riesling. Particularly Germany but the Finger Lakes are getting better 

each year. 

Is that NOTL trip ever going to happen? 

27679 louas 2012-10-20 10:57:49 @Blou: 2003 Pacific Estates Petite Sirah on Wine Spies. Haven't tried it, but sounds like its in your wheelhouse.. 




27684 WineKnurd 2012-10-20 16:40:27 Even with RdM, I find that there is a huge quality difference in the $15 bottles vs the $20 bottles, which is crazy 

because RdM is supposed to be the lower cost, earlier drinking alternative to BdM. As all BdM's aren't created 

equal, so too the RdM's, and if a winery makes an $80 Brunello, then they will make a $25 Rosso Il-Poggione 

comes to mind). I imagine if you make a $40 Brunello, then your Rosso will be around $15. 

Here is my general Italian wine buying habits- 

$10 and under- generally avoid 

$10-20- Rosso Piceno / Canero, Md'Abruzzo, Chianti, Arneis, Gavi 

$20-30- Carmignano, Barbera, Chianti, Ripasso, Sagrantino 

$30-40- Barbaresco, Amarone 

$40+ - Barolo, Brunello 

Interesting breakdown of my personal tastes there. I generally do not drink Valpolicella nor does it appear that I 

buy much Italian wine from the NE or the South of Italy. Not that they do not make good wines there, I do enjoy 

some Nero d' Avola, Primitivo, Soave, Orvieto, Aglianico, etc; these are generally just one-off purchases for me. 

Same with many of the 'super-tuscans", especially the more modern style wines. I tend to be pretty happy with 

the traditional wines from Tuscany. 

Anyone else mapped out their price / style preferences like this before? 

27685 WineKnurd 2012-10-20 17:13:56 Just replaced the battery in my Audi to the tune of $140. Looks like I will be enjoying the $10-15 Spanish QPR 

values until the next paycheck! 




27687 BuffaloLou 2012-10-20 23:19:44 Back early from this weekend's campout. Seeing as we had two weeks in a row for the Troop, we decided to go 

home tonight. We had a blast setting up and running a "haunted house" for Cub Scouts today. The boys (Boy 

Scouts) had such a good time, they decided they want to do it again next year! Me... I'm glad to be home as this 

is the 4th weekend camping out of 5! 

@DT - Yeah, I know (re: NOTL). My schedule is just insane. Did you read above? Add to that, more camping next 

weekend (family camping), skip a weekend (I have to cut the grass, again!) then another campout the week 

following! Skip one more week and we're at Thanksgiving! 

@louas - TY for the rec. Unfortunately CT notes aren't all that promising: 

https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=319382. Given I have a lot of PS, I'll pass on one that's 

questionable. Still, TY for thinking of me! 

Tried the '10 Vitiano tonight. Nothing special, IMO. Nice nose, but seriously muted palate. Then again, it was $8 

from WL... 

27688 David T 2012-10-21 02:08:40 @Lou I understand busy schedules! As of now, most of 2013 is open... Thanks for the email btw. 

Tonight: 07 Twisted Oak The Spaniard. I know this is one of Pete's favorite wineries and now I definitely know 

why. My first TO wine & I'm already exploring how to get more from El Jefe. 

27691 TonyO 2012-10-21 11:12:35 Any coffee lovers in The Hills? I just started a new business that focuses on working with various roasting 

companies to bring unique coffees to consumers and business locations. If you have any particular favorites, let 

me know and I can get you prices. I will arrange for all shipping right to your home or business and you can 

simply mail me a check upon receipt. I even have a proprietary blend (named after my new company Iron Mule 

Distributing) and another called Vermont Strong Coffee that is 100% Organic Peruvian 1/2 roasted to French, 1/2 

roasted to City, delicious ! My goal with that coffee is to donate a % of sales to Camp Ta-Kum-Ta, a great cause 

that allows children with cancer to enjoy a summer camp experience on Lake Champlain (a fully Volunteer 

organization so all money goes to the program not salaries). If interested, send me an email at ajorourke2003 AT 

yahoo Dot com. 

Happy Sunday one and all ! 



27692 BuffaloLou 2012-10-21 11:56:29 @DT - You're welcome. I hope it helps. 


Re: Twisted Oak wines - I have not had The Spaniard, but I have had the Petite Sirah, tempranillo, and grenache. I 

was not a fan of any of them. 

@TO - do you do "K-cups"? 

27694 TonyO 2012-10-21 16:21:16 @Blou: yes, I an a Keurig distributor ! 

27700 WineKnurd 2012-10-21 21:40:45 Tony O- do you work with only roasters in your particular area, or open to working with a roaster in NC? 

For the Sauternes lovers out there- 

2009 Doisy-Verdrines- lots of good orange-peach fruit on the nose backed with honey suckle notes. Finish is 

clean but short. Not the most complex Sauternes but $25 for a 375 mL, pretty good deal on a young Sauternes 

from a reputable house. 

Very french dessert, tangerine slices and raspberries mixed with a few dollops of creme fraiche and the 09 Doisy. 

The creme wasn't quite "fresh", as I bought it frozen, which gave me an excuse to thin it out by whisking in a tbsp 

of the Doisy. I feel like Vinny Vin Vin! 

27713 WineKnurd 2012-10-22 20:44:43 Where is everyone tonight? MNF, the Cards and Giants, and the debate. Must see TV night! 

27716 mr21cbs 2012-10-23 11:41:46 We are in Orlando for a customer conference and spent the evening at the Harry Potter pavilion which was open 

only for us. 

27718 TonyO 2012-10-23 12:22:12 @wineknurd: I will work with anyone anywhere if it makes sense for both parties...the issue that sometimes is 

difficult is shipping costs but I ma open to conversations with all !! Thanks for the question ! 

27719 john o' 2012-10-23 12:22:49 Heads up. Wine Library having a one day sale. Chance to stock up on : Ondarre Mayor Reserva Rioja - 2004 for 

$20. 

27720 john o' 2012-10-23 12:23:29 or Finca Sandoval - 2007 for $16.50 

27721 BuffaloLou 2012-10-23 13:41:21 Last Bottle Wines: Schweiger Cabernet Sauvignon Spring Mountain 2006 $35, FS/3. 93CT avg. Hurry... sold out 

in less than a minute the first time it was offered. 


A whole bunch of 93's from the same guy with no comments. In the prior vintage this guy had a whole bunch of 

99's. 



27723 BuffaloLou 2012-10-23 21:10:54 @john o' - True, but there are 10 others with a 90 or better. 


Tonight, 2003 Bodegas Dos Victorias Toro Gran Elías Mora Daniel. Fantastic! Last one I popped was a year ago. 

This one was much better from the PnP (whereas the first needed some serious breathing time.) 

Any thoughts on tonight's Cindy offer? I've had Nero d'Avola before and liked it, but not this producer. (Yeah, I 

know... that's like saying "I've had Cab Sauv before and liked it.") Seems like it could be a good daily drinker... 

27724 BuffaloLou 2012-10-24 00:19:01 I think Halloween just might be my favorite holiday! First, it's Autumn, my favorite season. Next, you just can't go 

wrong with vamps, "Frankenstein's", ghouls, and other cool creatures! Of course there's all the fun in seeing all 

the "youngin's" come by in their cool costumes! Finally, must I say it... Pumpkin pie, apple cider, and powdered 

sugar donuts! 

27725 vinmoet 2012-10-24 08:55:29 Blou...you forgot caramel apples. 

27727 BuffaloLou 2012-10-24 10:07:48 Indeed Vinny, caramel apples! 

Woot-off on wine.woot.com in progress! 

Also, special shipping: "For a limited time, one $5 charge covers standard shipping on all your Woot orders 

within the same calendar day!" 

27728 BuffaloLou 2012-10-24 12:17:55 I know there are some Twisted Oak fans out there: Woot (woot-off... better hurry!) has: 

1 - 2009 River of Skulls 

1 - 2010 *%#&@! 

1 - 2009 "Cockamamie" Syrah 

$54.99 for the three pack Only $5 shipping. You can buy up to three packs. 

27730 BuffaloLou 2012-10-24 16:08:41 Talk about a party! 1999 Pol Roger Sir Winston Churchill 3 Liter THREE LITER! Only 8 imported into the USA. 

96 Insider Points 

96 Points, Wine Enthusiast 

94 Points, Wine Advocate 

93 Points, Wine Spectator 

While they last, $2,200. invino.com 



27731 A Frayed Knot 2012-10-24 20:42:32 My recent K-cup purchases from TonyO...... 


The complete Easter egg coloring collection (a different color in every cup) 

Mulled Wine variety pack. 

Daknurd's peasant soup in a cup. 

A 6 pack of DavidT's Theraflu. 

JoeG's Polident k-cups (and I don't even have dentures) 

I also ordered BuffaloLou's Kamping Keurig...fueled by dried badger dung! 

Thanks Tony! 

27732 BuffaloLou 2012-10-24 21:02:43 My version of a "Kamping Keurig" (on my wish list for Santa) - GSI Outdoors Java Press Coffee Maker 

http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-30-Java- 

Press/dp/B001LF3IDO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351126896&sr=8- 

1&keywords=GSI+Outdoors+Java+Press+Coffee+Maker 

27733 K is for Kate 2012-10-24 21:50:33 Ok, so I'm a little late answering BLou's question from the 18th, but I just started composting and am pretty 

excited about it. I collected 3 big trash bags full of leaves today to gradually go in to my compost bin as 

necessary and am hoping to collect some more before the leaves all get covered up by snow. 

As for recycling, there seems to be quite a lot of stuff they don't take here in terms of plastic, but the bin gets 

plenty full from junk mail and boxes. 

27734 K is for Kate 2012-10-24 21:54:32 Is anyone else reading Eric Asimov's book that came out last week? I'm about halfway through and enjoying the 

memoir portions, but think he is far too heavy-handed with his message of not being intimidated by wine. 




27735 BuffaloLou 2012-10-25 00:29:03 2006 Redheads Studio 

Esulé - Australia, South Australia, Fleurieu, McLaren Vale (10/24/2012) 

C: Ruby 

N: Cherry cola, licorice, alcohol heat 

P: intense black cherry, bramble, vanilla, Blackjack tobacco, hint of pomegranate 

F: Forever long 

Leaves little doubt it's from Oz. Massive ripe fruit. Velvety and plush. Balanced. Integrated tannins. If the nose 

wasn't as muted, I would have scored this higher. Big, complex palate. (91 points) 

Edit: with more time in the glass, it's becoming more lush and plush. Fills the mouth with massive flavors. 


27739 WineKnurd 2012-10-25 07:17:28 Hey BLou, if you can get the alcoholic heat on the nose of that 06 Redheads, I would have to assume that the 

alcohol would also be noticeable on the palate. No heat on the finish? What is the abv and the grape / blend? 

27740 BuffaloLou 2012-10-25 08:31:17 @Knurd - Surprisingly the alcohol on the palate was barely there for me; a little, but not much. 15.5%ABV. 55% 

Cab Sauv 45% Cab Franc 

It was very enjoyable. It represents, IMO, what Oz wines can be when they're not total fruit bombs. Definitely 

ripe. I only mentioned black cherry on the palate, but there was more there. I couldn't describe the flavors, but 

as the wine moved across my tongue, there were different flavors of cherry. Some brighter notes and some 

darker notes. If the nose would have opened up... 

27747 Phredd 2012-10-25 13:10:18 I'm thinking Da Knurd would not much care for 15.5%...unless it said McPrice Myers on the label, of course. ;-) 

27754 Phredd 2012-10-26 13:41:26 Well, shoot, I didn't mean to be a conversation-stopper. Any opinions on the Cindy offer? 




27755 SCKen 2012-10-26 14:16:16 Wow, I check in and see a lot of old familiar names posting again. Good to see BLou back to his normal posting 

self! And Knurd, I hope things are well up in NC. 

For those Cali Cab fans out there, I have a story you might enjoy. I recently hosted a wine party where everyone 

brought 2 bottles of their favorite Cab based wine. One bottle had to be less than $20 and the depended only on 

how generous you wanted to be. We then brown bagged all the wines and blind tasted them. The "inexpensive" 

wines almost always do better than expected, but this time, the first time ever for me, an "inexpensive" wine 

won the evening. The 2008 Conn Creek Napa Valley Cab, which can be purchased at Total Wine for around $18, 

narrowly edged out some big boys, including a 2006 Dancing Hares ($95) and a 2007 Etude (@$65). I did not 

bring the Conn Creek, but I certainly plan on picking up a case. For the money, it is the best Cab I have had in 

some time. 

27757 Phredd 2012-10-26 17:33:36 Good story, Ken. Nice to see you around again. The NC crowd may have to try a blind day again. That was a lot 

of fun. 

27758 ptaylor2112 2012-10-26 19:03:08 No vino for me this weekend, as my in-laws are visiting. (I see the irony.) 

In anticipation, I enjoyed a 2009 Et Fille Pinot Noir, Willamette Valley on Wednesday and Thursday. I purchased it 

for $19.99 at Total Wine in Seattle this fall. It retails for a couple bucks more elsewhere. 

The Et Fille was a bit vivacious right out of the bottle; a lot of acid and pep - almost too much. My midpalate was 

dominated. But it was still enjoyable and well made. I'd give Day 1 an 87. But on the 2nd day it softened and 

smoothed out a lot! The finish even lengthened a bit (or it was finally able to get a word in edgewise). I'd give 

Day 2 an 88-89. 

I am beginning to notice this Day 2 effect on entry-level Oregon Pinots. Of course, more "research" is needed. 

ptaylor2112 

27759 louas 2012-10-26 22:12:52 @SCKen: Thanks for the Conn Creek tip. Just went to Total Wine where they only had the 2009 for $16.99. 

Didn't buy it. 

Maybe should have. Curious as to whether you've tried the 09? 

Grilled Chicken, Grilled asparagus, grilled Polenta tonite with an 04 Ondarre reserve. Weather absolutely 

spectacular here in AZ. 




27760 David T 2012-10-26 22:51:55 For the NC Cindys: http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/cave-taureau-durhams-new-wineshop/Content?oid=3176815 

I recently put my bottle of RedHeads on Death Row also. I'll post notes when I open it. 

It's Cleveland Beer Week in this neck of the woods, so I've been drinking as much beer as wine. I attended an 

interesting class at a local brewery where they had ways of 'infecting' otherwise OK beer with some of the more 

common flaws found in beer, including oxidation, diacetyl, etc. It would be interesting if the same thing could be 

developed to help people identify wine flaws. Tomorrow is the 'BREWzilla' tasting with hundred of beers being 

poured; I've got a list to seek out of some of the more interesting/rare brews; I'll try to post the highlights if 

anyone's interested. 

27768 vinmoet 2012-10-27 11:50:49 I had to move 15 cases of wine to make room for incoming '09's. I hauled them up to Chicago yesterday and sold 

them to a broker. All that wine gone and my wine cellar hardly looks any different. Still miss the little buggers 

though but don't love them as much as I'll love the '09's that replace 'em. 

27769 vinmoet 2012-10-27 12:22:40 Wine comes in at the mouth 

And love comes in at the eye; 

That's all we shall know for truth 

Before we grow old and die. 

I lift the glass to my mouth, 

I look at you, and I sigh. 

Leaving on 11.13 for Bordeaux. Fly in to Paris and then fly to Bordeaux. Get back just before Thanksgiving. 

Pretty quick trip. The burdens I carry for you guys! 

Yeates. 

To all you single guys on a date. One rose. A very nice dinner. A bottle of aged Bordeaux, a Vouvray, or a red 

Burgundy. Finish with a bottle of Champagne (not too dry). Recite this easy to memorize poem by Yeates. 

Perfection. 




27774 louas 2012-10-28 00:50:33 Was at the AZ-USC game today won by AZ 39-36!! The game was played in a brisk 4hrs 15 min! 1200 yds of 

offense. 58 first downs. 27 penalties. Literally not a cloud in the sky. still buzzed from the big upset. Picked up a 

very interesting bottle from LWS which we drank tonite with lamb-burgers and hamburgers.. Bogle Essential red 

2009 old vine blend.: old vine zin, syrah, CS, and PS.$12.99. Really really good. 

great QPR 

very not happy with Badgers. 19 yards rushing.. Really? 

27780 BrunelloBob 2012-10-28 11:22:29 I'm Back, Anybody miss me?....anybody?.... 

500 Wino-Merit points to anyone that can i.d. the three characters on my new avatar 

27781 luddite 2012-10-28 14:21:21 @BB: I think Sandy missed you and she's coming to visit :D 

27782 BrunelloBob 2012-10-28 14:51:28 @Ludds: The latest track has Sandy (my mother in law's name, BTW) running around Connecticut to get at TonyO 

in Vermont :lol: 




27783 BuffaloLou 2012-10-28 15:39:29 Back from another weekend of camping. Awesome weather on Thursday and Friday. Light rain all day Sat. Not 

much else to do other than cook, eat, and of course, drink! :) 

Nice to hear from you, Ken. Interesting story on the Cabs. Thanks for sharing it! 

For our crazy Texans, I received an email from Enkido Winery. (I would have liked to have posted sooner, but the 

email arrived while I was camping.) They're having a tasting/dinner as follows: 

Enkidu Wines owner and winemaker Phil Staehle is out on the road and heading to Lubbock, TX at the end of 

October. He will be hosting a winemaker dinner at Cafe' J, featuring a seasonal four-course menu created by Chef 

Patrick to specifically compliment our wines. Please review the details below: 

Winemaker Dinner at Cafe' J 

Date: Tuesday, October 30 

Time: 7:00 pm 

Price: $75 per person (plus tax and gratuity) 

Reservations: Contact Cat at 806.743.5400 (limited seating) 

Menu 

27788 mr21cbs 2012-10-28 18:21:08 

FIRST COURSE 

BrunelloBob, happy to see ya. That b!t€h is planning a visit here in the Philly area tomorrow. Schools are closed, 

some voluntary evacuation. We are surrounded by forrest and creeks that are expected to flood. 

27789 David T 2012-10-28 18:31:17 We've had rain all day here too, though I'm sure this is unrelated to the storm. They've already upgraded 

watches to warnings starting tomorrow afternoon for lakeshore flooding and high winds along with 2-4" of rain 

that is related to Sandy. When things are going to be that bad in a midwest-ish state, it definitely makes 

me worried about the coast. 




27790 luddite 2012-10-28 18:33:26 @B²: Quote "My mother's name was Irene..." Now what are the odds that the last two hurricanes to hit CT were 

named after your mother and your mother-in-law? Just sayin' 

27791 BrunelloBob 2012-10-28 19:14:47 Ludds: How the Heck do you remember stuff like that? Thank goodness I don't have any sisters... 

CBS: At least the boys can Swim! 

27792 mr21cbs 2012-10-28 19:45:40 Everyone can swim in our household, even the youngster. I don't want them to try any open water swimming on 

autumn night with 40-70mph wind. NY, CT, MA and VT will get some of Sandy as well. 

~ 

Hope that FlyersFan, WBW, NAH, NYPete and the rest of the inmates are safe. Protect yourself, your loved ones 

and your wine! 

27794 TonyO 2012-10-28 22:54:51 @BB............I'll be waiting for her arrival ! Looks like our trip to Brooklyn this coming weekend may be 

cancelled.........F.U. Sandy ! 

Be safe one and all........ 

27795 TonyO 2012-10-28 22:58:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p2f9eCvznY 

27796 McMalbec 2012-10-28 23:40:21 Has anyone has the 2005 Resalte de Peñafiel Crianza Adam has up at Empire? 

27800 Phredd 2012-10-29 08:51:35 @DavidT: Thanks for the heads up. I drive near that intersection two night a week, and although I saw the work 

on the store front, I never bothered to really look at it, let alone notice it was turning into a wine store. That's 

awesome. I'll have to make a pre-rehearsal stop there some night. 

Meanwhile, everyone stay safe up there in the Northeast. It's been blustery around here for a couple days, and 

we've never been closer than 350 miles away from the center of the storm. Good luck to all of you, individually 

and collectively. 

27801 louas 2012-10-29 09:22:37 @McMalbec: I have a couple of bottles of the 05 Resalte and have drank a couple. I enjoyed it, but was 

surprised that it could rate as high as #26 on the top 100 WS list. No formal notes, but I do remember that it did 

not have a very long finish. Good, solid wine however, somewhat over rated. 

27802 McMalbec 2012-10-29 09:28:38 Thinking of all the Inmates dealing with Sandy. 

Popped and poured a 2011 Bedrock Sauvignon Blanc. Pleasant, fresh nose but not the typical fruity, citrus smell. 

A crisp, clean SB that was delicious with baked salmon and crab and acorn squash. Enjoyed after an afternoon of 

the Packers and leaf raking, 

27806 BuffaloLou 2012-10-29 12:24:56 Oh Cindy, Cindy, Cindy... You know I cannot resist more G.E.M. 

27807 winex 2012-10-29 13:04:43 amarone deal on TSO right now looks like good notes on cellartracker too...mostly 90 pts. pretty good price for 

this juice 

27808 mr21cbs 2012-10-29 15:06:32 Dom Perignon 2003 on LastBottleWine.com, never had it. Is it good or just over-hyped and overpriced 

champagne? 




27810 vinmoet 2012-10-29 15:39:42 Despite my moniker (Dom is owned by Moet) and my frequent visits there (including Dom's actual gravesite), I 

enjoy but am no expert in Champagne. However, I do like Dom...I just don't like its price. 

The most recent vintage I've tasted is the 2000. I've not had the 2002 which is supposed to be wonderful. This 

2003 has a glowing Parker review. This is as good a price as I've seen. If you're looking for a rock star bottle for a 

special occasion, this seems like a solid deal to me..but I've not tasted it. 

27811 BuffaloLou 2012-10-29 17:14:23 Inmates: Batten down the hatches... put on your warmest, most comfy jammies... pop a bottle of your fav 

vino... stay safe! 

I hope you're all OK! 

27812 TonyO 2012-10-29 17:57:11 had the 2002 Dom a few weeks ago..........fantastic 

27814 TonyO 2012-10-29 18:40:13 2009 Uvaggio Moscato Secco with a big simmering pot of Kale, Sausage, and Potato soup.....wind picking up 

steadily here in VT....this is a great glass of wine...especially at $9.00...thanks Last Bottle! 

27816 BrunelloBob 2012-10-29 20:00:21 I was actually told by local-liquor-store guy a few months ago that "all Moscato is sweet, never dry". Suffice it to 

say the place is better known for Budweiser than fine wine... 

27817 TonyO 2012-10-29 20:05:23 @BB...this is not sweet but the fruit is very present.....great acid....woudl pair beautifully with some poached 

salmon or oysters....quite a bit of viscosity too...very well done! 

27818 BrunelloBob 2012-10-29 20:10:46 How's the weather T,O,? 

Wind is howling here, but not as much rain as I expected and the power is still on... 




27820 BuffaloLou 2012-10-29 22:11:57 Included tonights, as well as the previous tasting. Now this is a nice Petite Sirah! 

2006 Miro Petite 

Sirah - USA, California, Sonoma County, Dry Creek Valley (10/29/2012) 

N: blackberries, currants, smoke, floral notes, bramble, tobacco, blueberry 

P: A huge wine with chewy fruit highlighted with blackberries and currants 

F: very long 

A tremendous wine that evolves in the glass over hours. Slightly drying tannins. Leathery and viscous in the 

mouth. (92 points) 

2006 Miro Petite 

Sirah - USA, California, Sonoma County, Dry Creek Valley (8/12/2012) 

C: opaque ruby-plum 

N: blackberries, smoke, spice 

P: Big, fat, chewy fruit highlighted with blackberries and currants 

F: very long 

This is a big wine with gobs of fruit, silky tannins, and a long finish. Very tasty. 

UPDATE: 24 hours later, I revisited this bottle. One glass remaining in the bottle. Wow! Explosive black fruits, 

balanced with enough acid to not be a fruit bomb. A touch of tobacco. Raised score from 90 to 92. (92 

points) 

27821 TonyO 2012-10-29 22:34:08 @BB; no problems here (yet......) wind is picking up but this will not be as devasting as that be-otch 

Irene.....hoping NYC can get through this as we are more than willing to come down Friday and drop a couple $$ 

27825 McMalbec 2012-10-30 10:53:11 Positive news from our daughter who is in Manhattan on business (left India last week during monsoon). Power 

on but no internet. Dined on treat or treat candy in her room yesterday. Yum. 

27826 BuffaloLou 2012-10-30 11:59:18 Good news McM! Happy to hear she is doing well. So, did she bring the weather with her? ;) 

27830 A Frayed Knot 2012-10-30 18:16:23 @BLou ~ Agree on the 2006 Miro Petite Sirah .......the best PS I've had! 

Hope all are well on the East Coast. 



27832 John O' 2012-10-30 20:33:18 Christmas in October. Last bottle delivery. 


2007 Titus Petite Sirah, BLou. Will give a full report after it settles down. 

27834 BuffaloLou 2012-10-30 22:45:53 @John O - The last TN on CT sounds terrific! Looking forward to your notes! 

@AFK - agreed. Hope all is well with our friends on the East Coast. That be-yotch, Sandy, seems to have run out 

of gas before making her way inland. Center of the storm scheduled to pass close by Buffalo tomorrow, but 

we're not expecting much other than a little rain... 

27839 vinmoet 2012-10-31 10:40:24 I was making room for incoming '09's and sold a dozen+ cases to Flickingers (for cash, these are not on 

consignment so it means nothing to me if they sell or not). http://flickingerwines.com/whatsnew.aspx There 

are no rock star wines here, but these came out of my cellar and represent some QPR wines. They were 

intended to be daily drinkers/party wines that I would properly age before serving (don't worry, I still have plenty 

more). The '05's are the best deal. Have a little age on them, tend to be wines intended to drink younger, and in 

three or four years will be really singing for the money. Most are in their original wood cases. There are 3 half 

bottles of '95 d'Yquem he listed for $125. It was not a good vintage for Sauternes, but these drink nicely and are 

in a drinking window and will be for another 20 years. For the money, they are pretty much all QPR's... 

D'Aiguilhe, Ampelia, Chauvin, Corbin and Larmande stand out. The Quinault l'Enclos is RP 94 and is priced right 

but at the $45 level, there are 2009's which are better buys IMHO. I also have not been in love with that 

Chateau but a 7yo RP94 for $45 is hard to argue with. I have yet to taste any '04's that seemed worth it to me so 

you should avoid those. These were not marked up all that much compared to what I sold them for. I really like 

27841 john o' 2012-10-31 11:31:52 Have a bottle of 1973 Mouton-Rothcschild (the Picasso label) that I plan to open on the occasion of my Mother's 

80th birthday. The provenance is perfect as She use to own a wine shop, bought it upon relase and gave it to me 

about 15 years later. Storage, though has been inconsistent, so I have low expectations. 

Need some advice from the Inmates. What kind of screw should I get to open it? when I decant, run through a 

metal screen? 




27842 vinmoet 2012-10-31 12:07:15 john O' : I am crossing my fingers for you. Don't want to burst any bubbles, but feel ethically obligated to tell 

you the truth. Parker tasted this in '98 and said "The year Mouton was officially made a "first-growth'' was 

celebrated by a beautiful label done by Pablo Picasso. Whether judged by an art or wine critic, the label clearly 

surpasses the wine. Very oaky and woody, with rapidly fading fruit, this is a wine worth having if only for the 

historic significance of the bottle's label. Anticipated maturity: Now-probably in serious decline. Last tasted, 

2/82." He gave it a score of 65. 

Good luck. 

27843 john o' 2012-10-31 12:17:01 The latest CT notes are not awful. 

Good suggestion on the back-up. 

I say go for it. I would use a waiter's style cork screw and carefully/slowly try to coax that puppy out. Use a clean 

cloth to carefully clean up the neck (before and after). I'd then have a fine mesh screen and decant. You'll likely 

get pieces of cork in addition to other dregs. I'd also have a back up bottle of some other Bordeaux that you 

know is good on hand. It will change the focus of the discussion if there is disappointment. The 70's were not 

kind to Bordeaux. 

Perhaps I should just hold onto it for it's historic significance. 

27845 vinmoet 2012-10-31 13:45:27 It is an emotional thing so you'll have to figure it out for yourself. If you were to sell the bottle, its value is in 

being unopened. 

If it were me, I would open it with my mom and find a way to laugh about any disappointment. For me, part of 

its charm is opening it with her. 

I opened a 1945 Bordeaux with my 88 year old mom and my 93 year old aunt last fall in a village restaurant in 

Bordeaux. The wine was wonderful for its age, but not outstanding. But the luxury of drinking wine that survived 

WWII, got shipped to the U.S., flew back to its roots and was drunk with two ladies who lived through the great 

depression and occupied France was a powerful experience. I say enjoy the memory with your mom and keep 

the empty bottle. Also, there's always the chance that its good. That's my 2 cents worth. 




27846 wine magnet 2012-10-31 15:59:42 Vinmoet: Great advice to John O'. No better way to open this wine w/hopes for the best tasting experience, but 

recognizing that it still can be a memorable moment, especially with a nice backup bottle at hand. Surely this will 

bring back some memories of her wine shop experiences. 

Your experience with the '45 Clerc Milon which made the round trip from and back to Bordeaux to be shared 

with 2 ladies who survived the war and got to sample likely their first post war production must have been a 

magical moment, memory-wise for them (and likely for you, as well). Wow!, I can only imagine the memories 

that bottle elicited from them. 

27851 BrunelloBob 2012-10-31 18:57:06 I friggin' Love Halloween, kids crack me up :lol: 

27852 BuffaloLou 2012-10-31 19:09:31 @BB - Amen! 

27853 John O' 2012-10-31 19:39:10 VinMoet 

wise words. 

Tonight, while Mrs. BLou walks with ScoutAlex as he goes Trick or Treating, I sip on what's left of a bottle of '07 

Torre Quarto Uva Di Troia Bottaccia. Enjoyed with pizza. It's acidity really worked well with the pizza. Still 

drinking very well! Side note: I found a six pack in a box I didn't realize I still had. I was tickled when I found it as 

I thought it was all gone! 

BTW, MrsBLou took a glass with her to walk around the neighborhood. We know how to Trick or Treat! 

different subject. Did the HSC get alerted to today's Last Bottle Merlot offer? Lasted about a nanosecond. 

27855 David T 2012-10-31 20:05:04 Well, everything finally seems to be back up & running in my neighborhood, though all of NEOhio is not as 

lucky. We were only without power for a few hours Monday night, though several neighbors just a few houses 

down just got it back this afternoon. The cable/internet (you know A, you're lucky and B, it's 2012 when that's 

your biggest worry) was out for us until just an hour or two ago. Enjoying a bottle of the 08 Carlisle Sonoma 

County Syrah tonight, with my thoughts on those on the Atlantic coast that suffered much more than those of us 

on the Great Lakes. 

27856 John O' 2012-10-31 20:23:10 wife's dressed like I dream of jeannie. 

Bestill my beating heart. 

27857 BrunelloBob 2012-10-31 21:01:51 "wife’s dressed like I dream of jeannie" 

---and you're on the computer? 

O john, john, john.... 



27858 BuffaloLou 2012-10-31 21:02:16 @John O, pt I - How did that Titus PS turn out? 


@John O, pt II - Easy there big dog! ;) 

Now that the Torre Quarto is gone: 2007 JC Cellars Petite Sirah Eaglepoint Ranch - Damn, this is a mighty fine 

bottle of a$$ kickin' juice! 

2007 JC Cellars Petite Sirah 

Eaglepoint Ranch - USA, California, North Coast, Mendocino County (10/31/2012) 

Identical nose and flavor profile as first tasting. 

Gripping, mouth drying tannins are stronger than I remember. Still, a beautiful wine. (92 points) 

2007 JC Cellars Petite Sirah 

Eaglepoint Ranch - USA, California, North Coast, Mendocino County (11/11/2011) 

C: Black-purple; glass staining. 

N: Big, heavy nose, blackberry, beef jerky, barnyard funk 

P: Tastes like it smells, blackberry, beef jerky, add some licorice and vanilla. Full bodied. 

M: Huge wine that fills the mouth. Thick and silky. 

F: Long, mouth drying tannins 

Delicious wine. Sort of an old world meets new. Very complex for a Petite Sirah. 

Edit: Saved a glass for the next day. Fruit has mellowed just a tad, but the wine appears more viscous and fills the 

mouth with silky spender. Long finish of black fruits. (92 points) 

d f h f "h // ll k " l " f ll " ll k / 

27859 BuffaloLou 2012-10-31 23:09:53 Presently enjoying the last glass of the '07 JC Cellars Eaglepoint PS. Mrs. BLou said "boy, this is really rich." (read: 

big). I must say, "full throttle" it is! 

I need to search out more of their wines... 




27860 louas 2012-10-31 23:33:38 2 interesting wines. Last nite we had a bottle of The Barrister 2010 Sonoma Red Blend. $15.00. 

PS, Merlot, Syrah, Grenache, Barbera; 15.1% ABV. Although a bit hot right out of the bottle, it really calmed 

down and blossomed with a 1 hr. decant. Big black fruits, deep dark color. Prisoner like in character, but not as 

bombastic...which brings us to tonite. We went to a local joint that was having a release party for the 2011 The 

Prisoner.. Fun time. Fun wine. 51%Zin, 19%CS, 15%Syrah, 12%PS, 2%Charbono and 1% Grenache. 15.2%ABV. 

Bought a bottle at the bar ($48). Surprisingly delicious on the PnP. No alcohol bite. The fruit is BIG and the wine 

is pretty much just what you would expect. Not a QPR, but a fun wine every now and then. 

27864 mr21cbs 2012-11-01 09:51:48 Hope everyone escaped Sandy unharmed. For us in PA no water damage but all wind. We still have no electricity 

and heat since 6pm Monday, but the house is mostly undamaged. The wine enjoys the cool environment as it is 

55F in the house. With the power outages around the area the schools are closed, few gas stations, no Comcast 

service and 4G from AT&T is sporadic at best. 

27875 ptaylor2112 2012-11-02 12:09:04 The Barrister just popped up on TSO. 

27876 john o' 2012-11-02 12:14:34 Inmates 

Hight alert! 

2008 San Roman Toro in Mags on Cindy. 

Go directly to order page. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. 

27878 BuffaloLou 2012-11-02 13:00:30 My son's school rocks. New York State, not so much. 

Remember I mentioned about recycling laser toner cartridges? He school now collects them (along with used 

electronics), recycles them, and best part, earns a little $ in the process! Yaw hoo! 

Unfortunately, NYS feels the $4400/year I pay in school taxes (this doesn't include county property taxes) plus 

the tuition I pay for his Catholic School doesn't warrant giving him text books. I have to pay for them separately. 

Epic fail. 

Re: SRT in mags. Ugh, I cannot refuse. In for 3. 

27879 ptaylor2112 2012-11-02 13:17:18 I can't do a 2008 SRT mag - not enough people to share it with. But this gives me hopes that the 750s will be on 

Cindy some day. I am looking forward to a vertical of 06, 07, and 08. 

27880 john o' 2012-11-02 13:49:24 Pat 

You gotta think postive. Once those braces are off..... 




27881 ptaylor2112 2012-11-02 14:18:21 John O - I have a 10, 8, and almost 4 year old. I don't trust myself to cellar anything that long! 

Though I know in my heart that they'll turn 16, 18, 21, get married etal. in the blink of an eye. (gets verklempt) 

Hug yer kids this weekend, all. Even if it's via the phone. 

patrick 

27882 David T 2012-11-02 14:29:41 "Do not pass go, do not collect $200." 

WL collects $200 with each order for 3 :P 

27883 ptaylor2112 2012-11-02 14:32:30 I was planning to see Rush in Atlanta last night, but realized early this week that I had too much !@#$% work to 

do. So I consoled myself with a couple of "Friday" wines for midweek dinner, including: 

2010 Justin Cabernet (Paso Robles, about $21). This was lovely. It had a remarkably smooth, soft finish 

considering its age and price point. Went well with hamburgers. I'd give it a 90. 

2010 Joseph Drouhin Pinot Noir (Willamette Valley, about $33). Very consistent with their 2009 release, for my 

palate. Always well made, with an emphasis on old world style. Was perfect with Lyon style chicken. I'd give it a 

91. 

In case you don't know, Drouhin is literally across the road from Domaine Serene. Virtually the same elevation 

and similar sun exposures. But stylistically, they couldn't be more different. They are both excellent in their own 

ways. 

patrick 



27884 BuffaloLou 2012-11-02 14:41:39 Amen John O, Amen. 


I buy very little wine for today. Most of what I buy is for 2-10 years down the road... 

@Patrick - I had the '10 Justin Cab Sauv a short time ago at a local restaurant. I liked it so much I picked-up a 6 

pack ($18 locally). My TNs: 

2010 Justin Vineyards 

& Winery Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Central Coast, Paso Robles (10/6/2012) 

Enjoyed with dinner at a local restaurant. No formal notes taken other than loads of acid and loads of fruit 

balancing each other out. Enough oak treatment to add secondary flavors. Well integrated tanins. Very nice 

effort. Well worth the going rate of $17-$18. $50 in restaurant was steep, though. (90 points) 


27885 john o' 2012-11-02 14:56:29 The Justin Cab sounds good. Have 4 of the 2008 Justin Isocoles laying down. A JJB preferred client deal. Just 

looked at the CT notes, and I think there's one in my near future. 

27887 BrunelloBob 2012-11-02 15:23:13 I've had the 2006 Corte Pavone BdM on WTSO--it may need a bit of air, but it's very good. 

Strong Buy Recommendation 

27888 john o' 2012-11-02 15:45:44 re: the Corte Pavone. Looks terrific. 

On another note, though, I keep seeing over and over offerings where Suckling has the outlier high rating (like 

this one). 

27889 BrunelloBob 2012-11-02 16:29:12 John: You're right re: Suckling. He's High, especially since leaving WS and always on Brunello. 

Suckling on Brunello is like Parker on CdP. Don't get hung up on the number, but pay attention to the relevant 

rankings. When they're scoring EVERYTHING in a good vintage between 90 and 96, you want to be buying the 95- 

96s and avoiding the 90s. I trust them both to rank order the wines, if not to give me a "legitimate" score. 

Of course the Pavone is Different for me, as I've actually had it (BB 92) 

27890 BuffaloLou 2012-11-02 16:51:46 @John O' - the Isocoles rocks! I have not had the '08, but many vintages in the past. Consistent and very good. 




27893 TonyO 2012-11-02 22:21:00 Shared a bottle with one of NJ's finest tonight......................KarlB ! All good here in VT...decided to cancel our trip 

to NYC...sure someone needed that hotle room and hot shower more than us...painful to watch the people of 

NY/NJ suffer like this .......no finer city in the world (despite what some may think of their baseball 

team!)......2006 Conn Valley Reserve Cab.......BIG wine....but I like it ! 

27894 TonyO 2012-11-02 22:37:38 Somewhere on the Garden State Parkway, a large bus with a gas gauge edging towards empty rambles 

northbound; 

Brooks: Do we have anything other than "Darkness on the Edge of Town" ? 

Mobious: I have a Velvet Underground mix tape 

TonyO: God Lord, take my $^&*& life now! 

Landshark: We need gas, and Doritos! 

Kittysafe: Is that a panseared ribeye I smell? 

KarlB: That won't pair well with this white burgundy I just opened 

Josie: Is that the scent of violets I detect? 

mrcbs21: Pull over, that Motel 6 has a pool ! 

AFK: You call that a pool ? In texas, we have hot tubs bigger than that 

NY Pete: Jersey sucks 

GaryV: pull into the temple if you want free cheese and a free shipping coupon 

BrunelloBob: Yankees suck 

BuffaloLou: I'm pitching a tent! 

winex: lay off the viagara blou 

You get the picture.....the bus needs to roll once again............I am sure I have neglected to mention some valued 

hill members (and would make an apology for doing so but you all know how I feel about that....)....I have been 

slightly "over served" but will work on another installment....until then, please take poetic freedom and paint a 

picture.... 

27895 McMalbec 2012-11-03 00:36:38 @ B.Lou: Quixote Panza P.S. party pack on WTSO. 

27896 Scott W 2012-11-03 01:33:37 @BB took a flyer on the 2006 Corte Pavone BdM on WTSO. 

Thanks for the rec...I hope :) 

27897 David T 2012-11-03 02:48:08 Paging BLou- aged PS on TSO now. Discount looks pretty legit vs CT avg. 

27898 BrunelloBob 2012-11-03 07:00:43 Scott: To quote a phrase: "It better not Suck!" 

No worries, enjoy 

T.O. overserved? How'd that happen :lol: 




27899 John O' 2012-11-03 07:03:45 BuffLou 

TSO 

2001 / 2003 4 pack Quiote Panza Stags Leap petite sirah for a c note. Nice 

27900 John O' 2012-11-03 07:07:19 sorry for the redundancy. mistakenly assumed the Panza offer must have just been put up. 

It is nice to slot in these bottles with age as the vast majority of the cellar needs to mature. 

27901 AdamEmp 2012-11-03 09:51:22 Hello everyone...hope all is well with everyone in the wake of the hurricane. I stopped by to let everyone know 

that the all new Empirewine.com went live last night! Check it out, let me know what you think. 

27902 John O' 2012-11-03 10:31:46 Adam - like it. Clean and bright. 

27903 luddite 2012-11-03 10:53:44 Guessing the '01 Panza may be past its prime: 

http://90pluswines.com/Wine/5692A970A01/Quixote-Winery---Napa-Petite-Sirah-Panza-Stags%27-Leap- 

Ranch/2001.aspx 

27904 AdamEmp 2012-11-03 11:04:03 John O - Thank you. The site new site automatically adjusts for the device it is being viewed on. The cleaner 

interface should make the site more user friendly no matter what size screen it is displayed on. 

27905 luddite 2012-11-03 13:32:30 Dear OSU: Beware Illini in the horseshoe :evil: 

27915 A Frayed Knot 2012-11-03 23:01:46 @TonyO ~ H0ly (r4p.....I mean... dɐɹɔ ʎןoɥ 

27920 winex 2012-11-04 07:12:37 @TonyO - at least no one was peeing on the tires!!! I went to the Super Tasting this year with some of my local 

wine buddies. We rented a 12 passenger bus & I drove them all down. I thought of the Wilkinsen Bus 

several times on the way...the conversation was very similar to yours. 

27921 BrunelloBob 2012-11-04 09:38:51 I feel an hour younger this morning... 

27922 wine magnet 2012-11-04 12:01:47 Vinmoet: You are right on re: 2010 Château Puech-Haut Coteaux du Languedoc Saint-Drézéry Cuvée Prestige, 

which is an incredible enjoyable new/old world combo. I bought 6 about a month ago at Redneck Wine Company 

in Tampa, for either $14 or $14.99. I must call them today to secure more if they still have it. I opened 2 bottles 

this past week and it is really outstanding. 

Another great QPR is the 2010 Espelt Garnacha Empordà Old Vines, which I bought at thewinetobuy.com last 

week for $10/btl, btc. A real steal for a delightful grenache. I have 3+ cases waiting for me in Sarasota. 

27927 TonyO 2012-11-04 22:45:06 Just returned from an outsatnding March of Dimes event....life is precious....... 

27928 John O' 2012-11-05 18:36:09 Life Advice: 

Find the best Italian Butcher in your city and get their meatball mix. 

Then, buy it and cook with your favorite sauce. 

27929 BrunelloBob 2012-11-05 19:36:43 ...Then eat it while drinking a good Brunello, or at least a decent Chianti... 

27930 John O' 2012-11-05 19:47:55 2008 Elias Mora Crianza, Worked well. 




27932 BuffaloLou 2012-11-05 21:21:44 Tonight: '07 Twisted Oak Petite Sirah - This is, thus far, the best TO wine I've had, which isn't saying much. I had 

another bottle of the same. It was not as good. (Again, not saying much... ) This bottle is mostly acid with a lot 

of oak influenced characteristics. The nose is an oaky-plum with a lot of sweetness. The palate is an 

unbalanced mess. Mrs. BLou took a taste and just shook her head. 

27934 NY Pete 2012-11-06 00:29:11 is there any way to get an ignore feature implemented on this site? 

27937 mr21cbs 2012-11-06 08:06:37 This site does have that feature, just unplug your computer... 

27941 BuffaloLou 2012-11-06 09:50:37 A quick glimpse of the current visitors shows Norfolk, NY. Not only have I not heard of Norfolk, NY, I see it's 

about as far North in NY as one can get! Who ever you are, I hope you sign on and introduce yourself! Welcome! 

Edit: a quick Google search: I see you're between Potsdam and Massena. Real snow country! 

27942 BuffaloLou 2012-11-06 10:02:36 Some generic question about voting: how long did it take you to vote today? I see and read reports of long lines. 

I was in and out in less than 5-7 minutes. That was one of the longer times. I recall only one being longer since 

1980. That said, I miss the old voting machines (flip lever). I don't like the lack of privacy with the paper ballots. 

(those "privacy screens" on the table are worthless... ) 

27943 ptaylor2112 2012-11-06 10:24:59 I voted 2 weeks ago. Piece of cake! (But I didn't get a sticker.) 

27944 john o' 2012-11-06 10:25:30 Went to the Skaneateles YMCA to work out about 6:15AM. Voting was in the same building. 

As an aside for New Yorkers, didn't even recognize the name of the Republican opposing Senator Gillibrand. 

They must have basically conceded the race. 

Took 3 minutes. 

27945 mr21cbs 2012-11-06 10:49:11 Didn't vote yet. The lines were over an hour in the morning... Will leave work earlier to do it before the evening 

practices, etc. 

27946 vinmoet 2012-11-06 11:57:20 My voting took less than ten minutes. We were registered electronically, were given paper ballots upon which 

we blacked in ovals, fed the paper into a scanner which took the paper ballot and which then electronically read 

the vote into the system. Felt like the initialed paper ballot gave me some sense of security about the vote being 

somehow verifiable if machine monkey business were suspected. We live a couple of hours from Chicago where 

it seems that ballot monkey business is a way of doing business. The dead still vote there. 

27947 BrunelloBob 2012-11-06 12:06:11 I used to take those bubble tests in High School. 

If my grades were any indication, the machines usually read them wrong... 

27949 NY Pete 2012-11-06 12:19:03 Michael ... that would be too easy ... :) 



27950 NY Pete 2012-11-06 12:22:49 a different take on a panned wine 


2007 Twisted Oak Petite Sirah 

Tasted by Richard Jennings on 2/19/2010 & rated 89 points: Petite Sirahs - P.S. I Love You's Dark & 

Delicious Annual Tasting Event (Rock Wall Winery, Alameda, California): Opaque black violet color; black fruit, 

berry nose; tart berry, satsuma plum palate with acidity; medium-plus finish 89+ pts. 

different strokes for different folks. 

27951 BrunelloBob 2012-11-06 13:07:05 Have you got your own tasting note on this wine Pete? 

Seems that, with 779 bottles in inventory and 2,619 bottles consumed since 8/11/07 (Impressive, that's better 

than a bottle-a-night habit), you'd have more to contribute than 141 tasting notes written. 

I guess some guys have the courage to "throw it out there" and others don't. 

Source: https://www.cellartracker.com/user.asp?iUserOverride=35883 

27955 NY Pete 2012-11-06 17:09:21 BBob .... I have one bottle left of the 07 TO PS. When I get around to popping it I'll make it a priority to post a TN 

for you, deal? 

27956 SS Chris 2012-11-06 17:37:10 Well, it depends on what your definition of "throwiing it out there" is. While Pete doesn't post a ton of formal 

notes on CT, he provides tons recommendations on the Forum for the many wines he drinks (as BB noted)... 

probably more than anyone else on the Forum. 

Relative to Twisted Oak wines, I've only tasted the TO Spaniards (but multiple vintages) and have REALLY enjoyed 

them (and I think I actually posted some formal CT Tasting notes as well). 

Most importantly, I hope everyone over here fared OK during Sandy. 

27959 BrunelloBob 2012-11-06 18:40:55 Don't Need your tasting note, Pete, but I wouldn't mind if you'd stop popping in here solely for the purpose of 

taking cheap shots at Lou (or anyone else). 

27961 David T 2012-11-06 19:45:21 My absentee ballot was mailed last week. It took me about two hours to thoroughly research all of the 

candidates/issues, fill out & mail in. 

Now I'm sitting down with a bottle of Cali wine, a Sam Adams beer & watching the results roll in. 

27962 BuffaloLou 2012-11-06 20:36:06 Correction DT, "trickle in"... :) 




27963 BuffaloLou 2012-11-06 21:05:17 I caved at the last minute on 4 of the 08 Caburnio mags. I wasn't going to as I just rec'd a case of 750s and have 

another case shipping next week, but I just love mags! I'm hoping these can be laid down for a couple of years so 

I can enjoy them at a later date... Fortunately tonight's offer is one I can pass on. 

27968 Phredd 2012-11-07 11:36:21 It took me 20 minutes to vote, but that's only because I took my kids with me and helped them to "vote", too. I 

will say that the sign-in process is a bit more cumbersome than it used to be, but only by an extra minute or so. 

Oh, and the church that is our polling place sells homemade peanuts, so we took a minute to buy a jar of those, 

too. 

Never had a Twisted Oak, personally. Not a priority to go get one right at the moment, but I'll probably get 

around to one eventually. And Pete, please do post that tasting note. 

27969 TonyO 2012-11-07 12:23:43 voting took me about 90 seconds in Vermont..........no lines and no i.d. needed......I am glad it's over to be 

honest....this was the most invested I had been in any election cycle and the personal attacks were 

brutal...........can only imagine what the candidates and their families go through (lathough I am contemplating 

throwing my hat in the ring on a state level during the next election)...in defeat there is certainly some 

diasappointment, but I bet there is just a little relief to some...........let's hope for a stronger America and a more 

peaceful world.....Cheers! 

27971 ptaylor2112 2012-11-07 12:56:55 Vinmoet's recent QPR is on Cindy today: Puech Haut Prestige 2010. 

The $16.79 price is just ok, iirc. 

And you gotta buy a case to get free shipping. :( 

27972 BuffaloLou 2012-11-07 13:13:04 Good memory, Patrick: 

Archived November 7: QPR recommendations by Vinmoet 

2010 Château Puech-Haut Coteaux du Languedoc Saint-Drézéry Cuvée Prestige 

Vinmoet: “A flamboyant Grenache/Syrah Southern Rhone style wine mixes old and new world to deliver 

incredible value. Under $20 it tastes twice the price. Great color, nice nose, easy open, deep red fruits, fine 

length…no sign of oak. RR94. VM89.” 

This wine is available from: 

EmpireWine.com ~ $16.94 

B-21 ~ $16.99 

Wine Exchange ~ $16.99 




27973 BuffaloLou 2012-11-07 13:15:48 I've had several vintages of BBs QPR (Los Vascos.) Always enjoyed this wine, especially for the $. At this price, 

it's worth trying again! 

27976 AdamEmp 2012-11-07 16:47:45 I am going to match the Cindy offer for today only on the Puech Haut...$16.75 with FS on a case. Thanks folks! 

27982 BuffaloLou 2012-11-07 21:23:05 Tonight: '96 Araujo Estate Syrah, Eisele Vineyard. Nice, but not as good as past bottles. Fruit has faded on this 

bottle more than others. :( 

27996 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 11:06:04 Update on that ’96 Araujo Estate Syrah from last night - As the evening progressed, the fruit did come forward 

more, but still not up to expectation (from past bottles.) 

27997 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 11:15:18 Discussion topic: How do you choose a bottle? 

Seeing as nearly everyone here has more wine than can be consumed in a week, we all need to make a choice. 

I'm not talking about pairing with the special meal you're about to enjoy, I'm talking about you and your 

significant other are winding down for the evening and you want to pop something to enjoy. How do you 

choose? 

I'll start. On occasion I have a 'taste' for something particular, or just want to try something that 'was calling me', 

but usually I'm trying to clear a column in a rack so I can 'restock' with new purchases. Sad, but true. That, and 

lately I've been trying to drink some of those darn fat, bulbous, Rhone style bottles that don't fit into any racking 

other than bulk racking. I love these wines (usually Syrah, Petite Sirah, Grenache, sometimes Roussanne), but I 

hate the fact that the bottles don't fit the racks! Or perhaps I should say that the racks aren't made to fit the 

bottles! Even bulk storage doesn't work well as the bottles do not stack stably horizontally. 

27998 vinmoet 2012-11-08 11:19:52 Empire has a 2010 Chinon WS 92 for $14 a bottle for 4. I have not had it and am not an expert on Chinon but 

have have a number of them. Its Cabernet Franc which is a bit lighter than Cabernet Sauvignon and is generally 

shows a bit of pepper with some tobacco. Am pretty tempted. This is an inexpensive change of pace and I'd say 

a fun offer. 

27999 john o' 2012-11-08 11:21:00 WL offer today. 2007 Fanti (Tenuta San Filippo) BdM. $30, free ship on 12. 

Suckling 95, Ws 91. 

Looks like a good dal. 

28000 kyle 2012-11-08 11:46:01 So this place is still up and running, huh? And fancier than I remember! 

28001 McMalbec 2012-11-08 11:56:07 @Adam- no way I could use 12 after all the other wine I have purchased from you. How about 4 Puech 

Haut…$16.75 with FS ? 

28002 jovino 2012-11-08 12:02:27 @Bob - any comments on the WL offer? Very tempting. 

28003 kyle 2012-11-08 12:07:35 And speaking of TO, W.W. has a 3-pack of the '08 Rolleri Temp for $65 shpped: 

http://wine.woot.com/offers/twisted-oak-tempranillo-3 




28004 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 12:07:36 @John O' - How did you do that? 39 minutes before the CW offer and you know it?! 

@Kyle - welcome back! How's the SIWBM going these days? Probably about as well as mine! LOL! How's the 

baby?! 

28005 kyle 2012-11-08 12:08:19 SIWBM is non-existent. And baby isn't sleeping more than 3 hours at a time. WOO! 

28006 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 12:17:34 @Kyle - LOL, yeah, I remember those days! Fortunately it'll get better soon. So exciting. I'm happy for you! 

Cherish these days, they go by quickly! 

28008 mr21cbs 2012-11-08 13:42:36 AdamEmp, I would second a Ship4Free on Puech Haut, can't do 12. 

28009 louas 2012-11-08 13:59:47 International Tempranillo Day today. Any participants out there???????? I think I will try an Ondarre Ursa Maior. 

@ Vinmoet: Agree with your Chinon assessment and am in! 

28010 McMalbec 2012-11-08 14:34:30 @Adam: I would take 4 of the Chinon also. ( - : 

28012 jovino 2012-11-08 17:04:17 If people are talking up wine woot offers today, the Ardente '97 three pack is a very good deal at $70. I haven't 

had the '01 or '02 (but I will tonight), so I can't comment on the vertical. Since no one could give me any 

feedback on the BdM at cindy, I bought a case (in addition to the case of Ardente). I think buying 24 bottles at a 

clip is contributing to my storage problem. 

28013 AdamEmp 2012-11-08 18:12:04 McMalbec - I forwarded your request to the big boss... I will let you know. 

28014 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 18:58:47 @jovino - you don't have a storage problem, you have a drinking problem... you're not drinking fast enough! ;) 

28015 ptaylor2112 2012-11-08 19:33:29 @AdamEmpire: I, too, could not do a case of Peuch Haut. But I could do 4! 

@Vinmoet: thanks for the heads up on the Chinon. I am trying to talk a friend of mine into going halfsies. I like 

Cab Franc. 

@Blou: I rarely if ever open anything to just sip in the evening, as the Mrs. a) is hypoglycemic (she'll nearly pass 

out after 1/2 glass) and b) tastes tannins/dryness as "sour." The closest I've come was opening a Rose in early 

August just after we'd moved to Knoxville. 

patrick 




28016 ptaylor2112 2012-11-08 19:40:20 While the Mrs. isn't big on wine, she did enjoy last night's offering: 

2008 Mount Veeder Cabernet (Napa Valley, $29.99 at my LWS). Round, plump nose. Plummy taste with more 

than a hint of chocolate. Not much oak/vanilla (yay!). Pleasingly soft finish that beguiles the 14.5% ABV. The Mrs. 

said "Oh! I can see why people like Napa Cabs!" I'd give it a 91 +1 bonus point because the Mrs. liked it, for a 

total of 92. 

But my palate is thinking I will end up liking Bordeauxs better than Napa. I just haven't had enough experience 

with them. @Vinmoet, once I move back to Indiana perhaps we can get together for a master class... 

Speaking of midwesterners, whatever happened to jpakma? I think he was from Indianapolis. 

patrick 

28017 BrunelloBob 2012-11-08 19:48:58 Sorry for the late comment on the Fanti BdM--The Overlords have blocked this site at work :( 

The Fanti is the Real Deal--one of the best Wine Library offers in a Long time. 

We actually stopped there while we were in Italy. We were between a couple of other scheduled tastings, drove 

by, and thought we could squeeze it in. They're a big operation and clearly recruiting tasters via their road sign, 

so I was hopeful we could get in without an appointment. No luck--We ran into the famous Italian two hour 

lunch... 

I have had the wine before though, most recently the 2003. I dropped 91 points on that one and 2003 isn't half 

the vintage 2007 is. I've got one 2007 in the cellar and just grabbed two more. 

So many good BdM deals the last year or two... 

28018 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 20:26:54 @patrick - Love Mt Veeder winery. The cab is excellent! The "Reserve" (a Bdx blend) is rockin', but pricey. I've 

haven't had every vintage, but every vintage I've had of both have been excellent to killer! 

I love your "+1 bonus point... "! 

Damn it BB, you had to chime in on the BdM... Must resist... Must resist... 

28019 Scott W 2012-11-08 20:28:32 Damn...I need to ignore BB....to many recs for good BDM's will not make my kids very happy at Christmas :wink: 




28020 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 21:04:47 @Scott - I failed to ignore him. Good news is I have some good BdM to drink! 

28021 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 21:16:34 Tonight: 


Syrah Abba Vineyard - USA, California, Central Valley, Lodi (11/8/2012) 

C: opaque plum 

N: Black fruits and cream, vanilla, beef jerky, hint of white pepper 

P: Plum, blackberry, cream, 

F: very long, dark fruits. At the very end, a spike of strawberry. 

Sweet tannins. Big black fruits. Fills the mouth with viscous, silky, liquid. Almost glycerin-like, but stops short of 

being OTT. Fantastic wine for under $18 (Rosenblum wine club price). Would buy again. (90 points) 


28023 mr21cbs 2012-11-08 21:41:35 Refinanced our mortgage and decided to pop something nice. 2004 Michele Chiarlo Barolo Tortoniano. Clear 

brick color. Nice and funky nose, dust, wild flowers. Excellent tannins, sour cherry, cranberry and red currant. 

Good length. Nice wine. Expected a bit more and will need to update as it breathes... 

28024 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 22:26:48 Congrats Michael! 

28025 mr21cbs 2012-11-08 22:34:02 Thanks, Lou. It only took 3 months, and despite our almost perfect credit scores felt like a dental colonoscopy. 

28026 BuffaloLou 2012-11-08 23:01:01 No doubt, they're a PITA! 

Moving past the Rosenblum, now drinking a vintage 2012, Nov 8th, 10:55PM, H2O. Clean. Crisp. Nice mineral 

content on the palate and on the nose. Crystal clear color. Served iced cold. Ahhhh... 

28028 kyle 2012-11-08 23:19:07 I drank a 2012 Red Zeppelin Verdejo Chateau d'Abalone tonight with street-style chicken tacos. 

28029 Jovino 2012-11-08 23:46:27 To all you new parents in the bunch, might I suggest that an early evening jaunt to the urgent care center is a 

wonderful opportunity to let a wine breathe. You risk getting some flak from the Mrs, but you can usually do a 

quick decant on the sly while she is looking for shoes for the healthy sibling. Of course all will be forgiven when 

the little one is home feeling better just as the wine has entered the sweet spot. Had the '02 ardente to see if I 

wanted to tripple dip. It is very good, but not as complex as the '97. If you're only going for one pack, the three 

'97s are probably a better deal that the vertical, even at the higher price. 




28031 BrunelloBob 2012-11-09 06:21:26 @CBS: I find Michele Chiarlo routinely disappoints...Not that the wines are ever bad, but I never feel that they 

live up to their prices. 

28032 BuffaloLou 2012-11-09 06:36:33 @kyle - I love Zepp wines! Their petite sirah is huge! I saw the flier come in on the Verdejo. Having never tried 

the varietal before, I didn't pick it up. Thanks for the TNs (I read your post on CT.) 

What is a "street-style" taco? 

@Jovino - LOL! We have to have our priorities! Kyle, did you take note? ;) 

28033 mr21cbs 2012-11-09 07:39:39 BrunelloBob, I completely agree! Drinkable and OK, but there is nothing memorable about it. 

28034 winex 2012-11-09 08:39:52 @BB I stopped at Fanti last year & had alittle better timing as they were just reopening after the "2+hour 

lunch" where they close. Their wines were very good especially since they were not on our planned stops but you 

can't miss the roadside sign encouraging degustation!! I refrained from buying the recent WL offering (was hard 

to do but I managed) I have so many BdM in my cellar & just had 9 cases of Alsacian wines show up 

yesterday from my recent trip that the urge to buy more simply wasn't there. 

@BB - did you get to the Enoteca in Montalcino??? hope you had a memorable trip!! 

28035 kyle 2012-11-09 11:22:40 @BLou; I was just at Red Zepp. Tasted with Stillman and grabbed 3 PS, 2 05 Syrahs, 3 Ch. Abalone, a Colossus, 

and then went to Turley. Stillman is awesome, his wines are awesome, his tasting room is awesome. All around, 

fantastic winery. 

Street-style taco: hand made corn tortillas, finely chopped meat (chicken this time), onion, and lime. My wife 

uses cilantro which is the worst flavor that has ever existed. No cheese, no tomatoes, no extras. Just plain, 

simple, delicious. 

28037 Scott W 2012-11-09 11:41:55 I just have to give Adam@Empire some props...popped a bottle of the 2005 Falesco Marciliano the other night 

and at 23.95 per that was a FANTASTIC deal! Would love to get more of those! 

28038 ptaylor2112 2012-11-09 11:48:31 Unfortunately, I have to give Empire Wine non-props, as they do not ship to Indiana or Tennessee. No Chinon for 

me! 

patrick 

28039 BuffaloLou 2012-11-09 12:19:59 @Kyle - Nice! I am envious. How was Turley? I just got into their club and rec'd my first shipment. Very excited, 

but haven't popped one yet as I'm waiting for them to settle down from shipping. 

I love cilantro! When we have left over from a recipe, I snack on it! Although we have learned the like/dislike 

thing with it is genetic... 




28040 kyle 2012-11-09 12:48:48 @BLou: Turley is always fun to visit. I'm backing off from their Zins, though. I enjoy them, but they're overpriced, 

IMO. However, I will continue to buy and wishlist every single bottle of PS I can. Their PS is stellar! I had the 06 

Hayne ($75/bottle). DELICIOUS! Didn't buy, though. I did come home with a 05-07 Library Zvineyards vertical, 

plus my allocation. We'll see how much PS I'm offered when I don't purchase Zins, though. 

28041 vinmoet 2012-11-09 12:50:55 Just sent 4 of the Chinon to someone who needs to broaden his horizons. That's just such a great price with 

shipping. Am guessing that the world has no clue what Chinon is and the folks that do probably think this is too 

modern a style for them. 4 bottles of very good wine shipped from France to the U.S. and then shipped to 

(almost) anywhere you want for under $60 bucks? I love it. 

Am leaving for France early next week. Will be in Paris the following week and, for one day, need a car there. I 

drive all over France and have driven a lot in Paris, but you don't want to drive in Paris. Period. However, I have 

to. So, I've been trying to find the smallest car I can. According to the Hertz website, whatever I've got seats 3. 

How do you make a car that seats 3? Well, I'm about to find out. The upside is I can drive on the sidewalks and 

that's my goal. I'm not kidding. 

28042 David T 2012-11-09 14:01:40 Speaking of French cab franc, it's not Chinon but I have a bottle of 09 Domaine Guion Bourgueil Cuvée Prestige 

open. Very young, it took a day to open up, but nice stuff for $14 from CSW. 

@BLou As far as how I choose wine, I have a 'death row' rack that holds 8 bottles in the kitchen. I keep an eye on 

CT for things that are in their prime drinking window then move them up. I'll pick bottles from there depending 

on whatever I feel like, then replenish when empty. 

28043 luddite 2012-11-09 15:13:33 Veteran's Day is Sunday. Here's a way to show TH inmates care: 

I just bought today's LivingSocial deal for USO, and thought you may be interested in it too! 

$60 Toward Warrior Care Pack or Other Morale Efforts for Wounded Troops and T-Shirt for Purchasers: 

https://www.livingsocial.com/deals/524796?ref=conf-jp&rpi=91294060 

Note: If 3 inmates use my link above, I will get this deal for free, but promise to purchase another. 




28044 BrunelloBob 2012-11-09 18:03:50 Hey Winex! 

We ended up tasting at the Fort in Montalcino. I couldn't pass up "the consortium", but in retrospect I wish I had 

followed your advice. Boy, is Montalcino slow in the evening in October... 

We had lunch at Barbi--great meal, good wine, especially the riserva. We then headed over to St Antimo to hear 

the Gregorian chants. Kind of cool, but I expected more. There were only 4 monks and one looked to be on half 

power...The coup de gras? A tour and sit down tasting at Biondi Santi! It wasn't cheap, but it was worth it. Tasted 

the 2008 Rosso, an Annata, and a 1997 Riserva (OMG! Best red wine I've ever had!!). 

Oh and the old mad Franco Biondi-Santi popped in. Check out the avatar, Wine Royalty! 

Claims he was on his way for his first taste of the 2012 juice. When he came back, I asked him about it. He was 

pretty excited. Then again, the guys in Montalcino market almost as hard as the guys in Bordeaux.... :lol: 

Tasted maybe 10 Brunelli at the fault. If anyone's looking for an exciting bottle to lay down, the 2007 La Serena 

Gemini is gonna ROCK in 10-20 years. Wine Library had a few last I knew. 

28046 BrunelloBob 2012-11-09 20:37:24 Connecticut UCONN Huskies: We may be ineligible for the post season, but we're Not gonna Suck this year, 

WE'RE NOT!! 

28049 vinmoet 2012-11-10 00:11:24 Am up late trying to get some 9 year old boys on their first sleepover to actually get to sleep!!! We spent the 

night with American food. Per the critter's request, pigs in a blancet and pizza. Mrs. V. made the pigs from 

scratch, pizza sauce from scratch, and crust from scratch. She then set up a pizza building station and the boys 

made up their own pizzas. Quite a hit. Old dad's famous buttermilk pancakes for breakfast. 

I like to take "American" things to France as gifts. Have a 10lb bag of buttermilk pancake mix and a 32oz. bottle 

of vermont maple syrup. Can't find that in France. We stay at a mom and pop hotel. The owners have kids. The 

gift is a change of pace for sure. 

As for me, beer with the pizza tonight. A few more days and its duck breast and Bordeaux for me. Yum. 

28050 vinmoet 2012-11-10 00:19:38 Bbob: Gotta give you some grief here my Uconn friend. No shame in being academically ineligible when you are 

a flagship university. No, really. You upset MI St. in Germany in basketball today...congrats. Good thing that 

there wasn't a math or science component, hate for those academics to get in the way of basketball. We love 

you anyway Bbob. 




28051 A Frayed Knot 2012-11-10 02:52:44 Someone broke into my father's rental house across the street from him yesterday. They broke down the front 

door in the middle of the day and ransacked the place looking for valuables. Luckily the woman had just left with 

her two small children. 

While this may be commonplace in larger cities, this is almost unheard of in this small community of 700 people. 

The people here will go out of their way to help anyone, even total strangers. If your car breaks down in this 

town, you won't be on the side of the road for 10 minutes before a dozen cars have stopped to see if they can 

help you. 

That being said, there are things that you just do not do here if you want to walk out of this town alive. One 

thing is messing with another man's livestock, because that is his lively hood. The other is entering another 

man's home without his permission, because that is where his family is. We do not have a local police force, we 

rely on the local county sheriff's department for law enforcement and due to the size of this county, it can take 

30 minutes or longer for them to arrive. In situations like a home invasion, calling 911 is usually the second thing 

you do, not the first. 

I hope the law catches up with these people before they choose a house that is occupied. It would be a shame 

for a man to lose his life for a few trinkets. 

28053 BrunelloBob 2012-11-10 08:13:55 Vinny: Your (sarcastic ;) ) point is valid, but please keep in mind: There's not a single player on this team that 

was responsible for the academic failures for which the school is being punished. 

And "Angry AFK" is kinda freakin' me out. I'm from a "blue state"... 

28056 winex 2012-11-10 09:06:24 @BBob- sounds like your trip was an amazing success. Biondi sounds similar to my experience at Castello Banfi in 

2001. It always adds value to a tasting when the actual owner or head winemaker appears for even 2 minutes. 

The Montalcino area is pretty sleepy most of the time so it seems & yes "every" vintage seems to be 

"blockbuster" when you ask the top two guys at the wineries. 

I am planning to return to the area again in the Fall of 2013 for some more vineyard visits but this time with a 

group of cyclist friends....ride 50 miles first then drink the vino for post ride hydration!! I get jazzed just planning 

these things. I have never visited Biondi Santi so I may have to add that to the foray of tastings. 

Thanks again for the update...ummmm....go 'CUSE!!! (had to through that in :) ) 




28058 TonyO 2012-11-10 09:39:55 Now that the dust has settled after the election.....................a little something everyone should be able to agree 

on.... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onlWkjI4tgY 

28059 TonyO 2012-11-10 10:20:04 there will be some overserving tonight..........a great friend of mine that went to Itlay for two months to work at 

Cigliutti called and said "I never thought I would say this, but I'm in the mood for some in your face American 

reds"......you've come to the right place my friend!.........grilled NY Strips will be paired with some O'Shaugnessy 

Veeder Mtn Cab....and then, 2002 Raymond Reserve Cab, followed by Owen Roe Slide Mountain Cab Franc........I 

better clear my slate now for Sunday....Cheers ! (and good to see you Winex...VT isn't that far from your neck of 

the woods, if you left now.........) 

28060 vinmoet 2012-11-10 10:21:14 Bbob: I know you get that it was just some good ribbing. By the way that was an achievement beating MI St. 

because they are truly a top 20 team IMHO. 

At Illinois we're paying the old football coach 1.4 million and the new one 1.4 million and, at least up until today, 

this season we've not won a game in the Big 10 which is itself is in a down year in football. My point is that as 

much as a fan I am of collegiate sports, I am drifting to the academic side wondering, whether we win or lose, 

why we are spending so much on these programs and make the compromises that we as a society do on the 

academic side. North Carolina with fabricated classes for its athletes, UConn's had issues, OH St. has a major for 

athletes and has issues, Colorado, USC and so on. 

Illinois comparatively has not compromised (yet) on the academic side and spends a ton of money on tutors, 

study facilities, & a non credit summer school before the Freshman year to teach them to study. Of course 

it gets a lot of architecture, accounting, engineering, computer and science students on the team but the less 

accomplished guys get a lot of academic support. I am more than happy to see the program to give a shot to 

guys who would otherwise not have a chance at a real academic program, but I'm not so excited about spending 

money elsewhere. I've heard from many coaches who complain that its hard to recruit because of the academic 

requirements. And, our record supports that. I say, so what. I don't want to trade academic integrity for an 

28063 Julius 2012-11-10 12:22:14 @BrunelloBob - I visited Fanti back in (late) September. Tasted the '07 and bought some (even got Mr. Fanti to 

sign the labels). Excellent BdM, especially for the $. Unfortunately, I didn't get to visit Biondi Santi, but visited 

several other wineries. The best visits were to Stella di Campalto, Uccelliera and Valdicava. 




28064 BrunelloBob 2012-11-10 13:54:59 @Julius: We saw a sign for Uccelliera, almost tried to squeeze it in, Kills me that we didn't... 

If you go back and get to B-S, do the sit down tasting. It's Euro 50, but you get a good pour of a riserva. I read that 

they were pouring the 1983 before we got there, and that would have been cool given the age, but I was pretty 

psyched to see the 1997 before me when I sat down... 

BTW: Fanti is probably one of my "go to" Brunello every vintage. You can count on their consistency, and they're 

reasonably priced. 

28067 A Frayed Knot 2012-11-10 16:46:53 Now you all know why I usually avoid Scotch........I'll stick to wine tonight! 

28068 ptaylor2112 2012-11-10 18:59:50 Hi! I discovered a different LWS in Knoxville today, where I picked up the following: 

2009 Chateau de Macard Bordeaux Superieur ($16.99). This blend of 50% Cab Franc, 30% Merlot, and 20% 

Cabernet actually reminds me of a Beaujolais on steroids. And I mean that in a nice way! The Cab Franc gives 

bright, light juicy red fruits at the front and early mid palate, while the Merlot and Cab work together for fuller 

bodied finish. The 13% ABV makes it possible to enjoy a second glass at dinner, but still be ready to catch a late 

evening showing of Skyfall. I'd give it an 89. My first 2009 Bordeaux and I am happy! 

(Oh, I had it with roasted sausage/cherry tomatoes/onions/thyme/garlic/balsamic/salt&pepper. So simple. 

So tasty.) 

patrick 

28071 BrunelloBob 2012-11-10 22:50:44 AFK: :lol: a man's gotta know... 

28072 A Frayed Knot 2012-11-10 23:37:28 Oh Tony....we can certainly agree about that ole Mule.... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHcf0bblf4 

28076 John O' 2012-11-11 06:33:17 @David T 

A bit untimely, commenting on your "Death Row" rack, but: 

What a great idea. Almost every time I want a bottle, I go through Cellar Tracker, sorting by drinking window end 

date, quantity I have, Varietal, phases of the moon, etc, 

I'm going to start my death row today. Plan to do all the research up front and use the top rack (or maybe top 2) 

among my racks. Will probably end up with more like 25 to 50, than the 8 in your kitchen, but same concept. 

Thanks. 



28083 TonyO 2012-11-11 17:10:23 Recap of the Overserved Fest from last night: 


1. 2005 Viader Napa Valley Cab (69% Cab Saz, 31% Cab Franc); beautiful wine, drinking great right now 1 hour in 

decanter was the right thing to do 

2. 2005 Far Niente Oakville Cab: one of the longest finishes (TWSS) I have enjoyed in a long time, spectacular 

wine, beautiful fruit 

3. 1995 Chateau LaTour; thin to the point of being unenjoyable rather than refined, dissappointment was an 

understatement 

4. 2002 Haut Brion: perhaps an off bottle, but strike two on French wines toinght (and big ticket bottles made 

the let down worse) 

5. 2006 The Dead Arm: hard to believe this is a Shriaz as if tasted blind, I would guess Rutherford Cab....big but 

integrated, this wine would be great in 20 years 

6. 2005 Vietti Barolo Castiglione: (overserved at this point, so no idea how this was...) 

7. 2008 Fulcrum Tina Marie Vineyard Pinot Noir: regained my composure (must thave been the steak sandwich), 

this is a beautiful PN, graceful and elegant 

8. 2007 Conn Valley Eloge: corked (and that's probably a good thing according to my liver) 

Sunday....a day of rest indeed............except for all these ^&*&(***(*( wine glasses I have to wash 

28087 kyle 2012-11-11 19:24:23 Drinking Cava with SNF and sushi tonight. 

28088 BuffaloLou 2012-11-11 20:10:36 Back from another weekend of camping. Troop's annual Thanksgiving Campout. 26 boys and 6 adult leaders, 

along with about 40-50 family members that joined us. We did 4 turkey breasts and 5 turkeys: 

- 4 turkey breasts smoked in smoker 

- 2 turkeys split and cooked in 4 dutch ovens 

- 1 turkey cooked whole in Camp Chef Ultimate Turkey Dutch Oven 

- 1 turkey deep fried 

- 1 turkey cooked in a 'trash can' 

Of course, the given: 13 boxes of stuffing, 25 pounds of mashed potatoes, I don't know how many cans of 

cranberry sauce... More pumpkin pie and apple pie than we could possibly eat, too! (The boys killed them for 

breakfast!) Boys had a blast, and didn't stop eating. No wonder why the love this campout! 

Only thing missing was a good glass of vino, but foregoing it was well worth the fun weekend! Awesome 

weather! 




28089 McMalbec 2012-11-11 21:20:41 @BLou- tell us more about the dutch over turkey! 

@Kyle- love those Spanish sparklers! 

28090 BuffaloLou 2012-11-11 21:28:51 I know tomorrow is the 'observation' day for Veteran's Day, but I just wanted to say "THANK YOU" to all that 

serve and have served! Those that risk all give us the freedoms we have enjoyed for 236 years. God Bless you 

all, and God Bless the USA! 

28095 mr21cbs 2012-11-12 10:35:16 Time to renew our vows! Are you up for another year of trembling hills? I need your thumbs up or down. The 

cost per year is about 4 bottles of good BdM, but I want it be worthy. Let me know. 

28098 wine magnet 2012-11-12 11:53:39 Michael: Since BdMs are not well represented in my cellar, I suggest that we all just send you a few bucks by 

check, cash or Paypal. Paypal is a simple, cost free way to send cash to someone who is a Paypal member. All 

we would need is your Paypal registered email or username. Now, if you want to take in out in wine, you will 

need to come to the West Coast of FL, where I can guarantee that you will get to have some nice wines, 

especially on a Sat. afternoon. (Bring a designated driver or stay within walking distance of our Sat tasting venue). 

28100 ptaylor2112 2012-11-12 14:00:19 Hey all - 

WTSO has the 2005 Bodegas Ondarre Riserva for $11.49. I wasn't partial to the 2004 (too much leather for me) 

but am interested in what 2005 has to offer. 

(edit) ... and I missed it. C'est la vino. 

patrick 

28102 BrunelloBob 2012-11-12 17:42:02 Second the idea re: sending Mike a couple of bucks each, or a bottle of Brunello... 

And Patrick: The first rule of Wine Buying is: BUY FIRST< POST SECOND!! 

(but don't sweat it, that one will show up again) 

28103 BuffaloLou 2012-11-12 18:38:30 Third the motion. 

28105 wine magnet 2012-11-12 19:36:01 Going back through about a week of postings, it appears that there were close to 2 dozen different posters. If all 

of us would send Michael at least $8-$10/each, his expenses might be close to being covered. I certainly don't 

expect him to front the expense AND keep the improvements to the site coming. 




28106 ptaylor2112 2012-11-12 19:37:56 Yeah @Bob, I've been bit on several occasions. Usually trying to IM one of my other wine buddies to see if he 

wants in on the deal. And that worked in my favor today, as one of them had already pulled the trigger. Success! 

Tonight I am enjoying the 2010 "Lot 329" Chardonnay from Cameron Hughes ($12.99 LWS). It was surprisingly 

good, especially when chilled. There's just enough oak to add body, and enough minerality to add interest to the 

palate. It is a step or two above the sterile, steel-fermented chards that seem to be so prevalent in this price 

point. It paired surprisingly well with rainbow trout 2 ways (lightly fried w/lemon, and pecan-crusted), and would 

probably go with any white fish. Definitely worth the price. I'd give it an 87. 

Am heading to Kansas City tomorrow and am looking forward to the BBQ. 

patrick 

28107 John O' 2012-11-12 20:02:48 2007 Qupé Chardonnay Block Eleven Bien Nacido Reserve. sweet deal from Last Bottle arrived today. Quality 

chard with some cobwebs on it. 

Michael - tell us how and how much? 

28108 Scott W 2012-11-12 20:06:59 @mr21cbs 

Well after all the good recs from BB it looks like I have plenty of BDM for ya :) 

28112 louas 2012-11-12 22:48:09 @ptaylor2112: Had the 05 Ondarre last night and we both really liked it. Way worth the tariff. Po'd that I missed 

it today. For sure it will return. 

4th the motion. 

28114 David T 2012-11-13 00:20:25 Speaking of Brunello, holy cow discount on Cindy now! 

Add me to the list of contributors. Would likely be easier to do Paypal than wine. 

28116 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 00:39:44 Big wine, sounds OTT. Now sold out. I helped pumpkin it... ;) 

28117 wine magnet 2012-11-13 00:44:37 BLou: Likewise on the BdM from Cindy, which I couldn't resist given that it is about to enter its drinking window. 

No confirmation email yet, so I hope I got it at 12:13AM. Now awaiting 1AM...this could be a long night. 

Whoops, just opened emails from lastbottle:10 cases tendered to FedEx (and that's not all of them!). I must be 

sick... 




28118 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 01:10:57 @WM - I placed one order at 12:05 and a second at 12:31, and the system let me place both orders, so I think 

with your 12:13 order you should be OK. I, too, couldn't resist it, but it was key words that did me in: "intensely 

ripe fruit", "full bodied", "very chewy", "powerful and rich wine, with so much dried berry, almost prune 

character", "some might find it a little overdone, but I like it's opulence" - Oooo yeah! 

10 cases? Yikes! I try to stagger my deliveries. That's a lot to handle in one shipment! 

28119 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 01:14:31 Seems like WL wend long on the Olabarri Rioja... This is the 5th time they've offered this vintage. I'm going to 

pass on this one. 

28120 wine magnet 2012-11-13 01:21:58 BLou: Lastbottle notified me that they would be shipping some of my held orders on Monday. I guess I didn't 

think that they might ship about 70% of them. Now, if wineaccess, CW/WL, WTSO, and others all send held 

wines in the same week, I will have to have a party. Now I need to figure out how to get my wife away from the 

office when our FedEx guy comes with this shipment, so I can somehow get it upstairs to the wine storage room. 

I think I hear her calling paramedics or someone to restrain me, so I may be communicating via smartphone if I 

have to bolt from the house to escape. Bye for now! 

28121 Scott W 2012-11-13 01:39:22 @WM holy cow 10 cases in one shipment..my wife would have me pushing up daisies :wink: 

Wine is pretty easy for me to ship or I can paypal. 

28123 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 01:53:32 Uh oh... CW site with errors (504 gateway time-out). 24 sale in danger? 

28126 wine magnet 2012-11-13 03:38:18 Hmmm, the last time CW had website troubles, several of us had our credit card info compromised. 

CW still has the same error message at 3:30AM. I'd suspect my wife was involved, but she is not a computer 

geek. 

28127 luddite 2012-11-13 08:27:59 @wine magnet: I asked Last Bottle to split my orders into 3 shipments (one a week) in order to avoid "wife 

shock" which is a far more serious problem than bottle shock :D 

@mr21cbs: PayPal would work for me. 

28128 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 09:09:18 <$17 for The Wine That Must Not Be Mentioned on Cindy! That's an everyday drinking price for one. 

Nice! 

28129 wine magnet 2012-11-13 09:31:49 BLou: I went for the not-to-be-mentioned wine, but the WL site took forever to process it and by the time my 

screen reloaded with what I expected to be a confirmation, I got the order screen with zeros showing for my 

order. Oh well, that means less wine coming, although that seemed like a steal for even an average amarone. I 

just paid $20 for a 2010 at Trader Joes. 




28130 vinmoet 2012-11-13 09:49:11 OK guys. Am off to do critical research for the Hills. Leave today for Bordeaux. Back a week from today. I'll see 

what they were able to do with a tough 2012 season. Suspect since I'm gone, all of the properly aged Bordeaux 

will get sold off on the discount sites. 

28131 mr21cbs 2012-11-13 09:54:26 Firstly, thank you All, it sounds like this site should go on and is wanted. Secondly, I have plenty of wine and was 

just making an analogy. From the fixed cost perspective the annual cost is about $150. With the domain name, 

hosting, spam filter and other paid services. If you choose to send me money for the next year, my PayPal 

account is michael [dot] roytman [at] 21cbs [dot] com 

Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Cheers! 

28132 jovino 2012-11-13 10:12:39 @WM - I feel your pain/giddy excitement, I've got about 15 cases on the way and that doesn't count the ones I'm 

already holding for spring shipping or the 8 that came last week. So far went for the BdM, the rose, the 

Amarone, and the tuscan today. This seems like some serious thunder, although the BdM is risky (great gift if it 

doesn't work). 

28133 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 10:55:33 :'( :'( The BL12P I ordered (actually 2x6P) on the Podere BdM has been cut down to just one BL6P. So my order 

at 12:05 was safe, but the order at 12:31 was not. I hope you all got your order! 

Gonna be close on the wine that must not be mentioned... GV tweeted that it sold out in 6 minutes. I received 

my order email (not the final confirmation) at 6 minutes past. 

28137 Hinrgman 2012-11-13 12:32:44 The Falesco Marciliano 2007 is a really bringing the thunder. Don't wait too long. 

28138 jovino 2012-11-13 12:44:02 @BLou - we're in the same boat, got my email at six past as well. That would mean our orders went in in well 

under six minutes. Does WL still send out order confirmations? I see the order in my order history, which seems 

positive. 

28139 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 12:57:08 @jovino - according to the CW page, yes. "You will get two emails from us with regards to your order. The first 

email from us only confirms that we received your order. The second email will confirm that we have enough 

wine to fill your order." Although I don't think I've received one in a while. 

28143 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 14:03:35 More of the wine that must not be mentioned! This time they've brought back the Musella '07, but a $5 less! 

Wooo Hooo! 

28145 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 16:01:08 Boom. 

28147 Phredd 2012-11-13 16:39:58 Caved on the Messorio. Dang. 

28148 BrunelloBob 2012-11-13 17:34:33 You had $34.89 more resistance than I did Phredd... 

28149 Jovino 2012-11-13 17:45:48 I can't believe I bit on five wines and missed the macchiole. Oh well, there is a good chance I don't want to know 

what I'm missing. However, there isn't nearly as great a gap between what we drink on our anniversary and what 

we drink on a Wednesday. Jovino sad. It's going to take a lot cheap, oaked, prune-like BdM to cheer him up. 

28150 BrunelloBob 2012-11-13 17:51:45 Gotta tell ya, at $14 I'd give cheap, oaked, prune-like BdM a shot myself... 




28151 Jovino 2012-11-13 18:12:01 Thanks Bob. And if I'm not interested in the wine at 134, how sorry can I be to miss it for $100. We had a very un- 

PC expression back in my wall st days about averaging down. I have no interest in giving offense, but the gist was 

that it was a dangerous practice. 

28152 McMalbec 2012-11-13 20:02:00 Blou- I was serious. Tell us about the dutch oven turkey. 

28153 winex 2012-11-13 20:59:20 Had a busy day & just reviewed the wines that were up so far today. Boy did I save alot of $$ cause I would 

have over bought for sure. 

I just received 9 cases of Alsacian wines with 3 more on the way. Not to mention some BdM & a case from 

the Super Tasting. 

To top that off just ordered a case & a half of 2010 Pegau CdP reserve. Sooooo.....hopefully nothing else will 

appear on cindy that I "have to have" 

After reading some of the other posts from earlier today...I can see I am in good company when it comes to 

getting several cases of wine in one day!! 

28154 Scott W 2012-11-13 21:01:02 Well I bit on the macchiole, pretty excited to try it. My only buy today :) 

@Blou I would like to hear about that dutch oven turkey too?? 

28157 winex 2012-11-13 21:12:12 GEM is up....bet Lou just added to his cellar!! 

28158 Scott W 2012-11-13 21:30:20 Damn I bought the GEM too... :) 

28159 ptaylor2112 2012-11-13 21:33:20 Is the GEM better than the San Roman? 



28160 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 22:00:19 Good evening inmates! 


Ugh, more GEM! I don't have my order yet and now it's $5 less expensive! I have bought too much on this darn 

sale already, I 'should' resist! 

I was really tempted by the Macchiole, but I resisted. I'd love, no, REALLY LOVE to try it, but I can't justify 

another $100 bottle of wine, especially when it buys three decent bottles. 

@McM - I wasn't ignoring you, I missed your post about the Dutch Oven Turkey request. Here you go: 

The main thing is they're very juicy, even without brining. They self baste very well. We used two different types 

of dutch ovens. The first (there were four) is a standard 12" camp dutch oven 

(http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=714072). Two turkeys were quartered, then two 

quarters (one breast, one leg) were placed in a dutch oven. They were seasoned with garlic and rosemary, and 

sprayed with butter before cooking. 

The other turkey was cooked in a Camp Chef Ultimate Turkey Dutch Oven, model TDO-20. (http://imagescdn2.gearbuyer.com/camp_chef_ultimate_turkey_roaster_cast_iron_pot_p1_.jpg) 

Sadly, they're no longer 

available. I was fortunate enough to find two of them before they completely went out of stock shortly after 

they were discontinued a couple of years ago. They do an amazing job. If you look at the picture, you'll see the 

cast iron cone in the middle of the base. The turkey sits on this. It cooks the turkey from the inside out and from 

the outside in, so it's very fast; a 12# bird in 75 minutes. Not quite deep fried fast, but no added fat, either! The 

28161 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 22:10:44 I failed to give some minor details on the dutch ovens. The standard fuel source is always briquettes for camp 

d.o's. A briquette is a known size, shape, and more importantly, known BTU output. There are books on this 

stuff, but for most cooking, we use a standard 12" camp dutch oven. If you want a 350 degree oven, then you 

need 25 briquettes, 8 on the bottom, 17 on the top. (Heat rises, so you need a 1:2 ratio, (bottom:top) with your 

briquettes.) 

If you can cook it in your home oven, you can cook it in a dutch oven at camp! I've done: chicken pot pie, sweet 

and sour chicken, beef stew, biscuits, cobbler, dump cake, and the best chicken cordon blue I've ever made, too! 

This fall, when we camped at Allegany State Park, I made beef cottage pie. (Shepherd's pie with beef vs lamb.) 

You just can't beat cooking in cast iron! 

28162 McMalbec 2012-11-13 23:04:53 chateau behere-courtin 2009 bordeaux up on "tso. Any thoughts? 

28163 BuffaloLou 2012-11-13 23:53:15 Posting on FB and I miss a $20 vintage port. Ugh! 



28164 BuffaloLou 2012-11-14 00:58:13 Fantastic concert, SRV in Nashville, 1987: 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u97vVcNTyis&feature=watch-vrec 

28168 jovino 2012-11-14 08:40:51 @B-Lou - SRV was the first celebrity death that really hit me. Such a loss. 

28169 BuffaloLou 2012-11-14 11:47:51 Just picked up (God, I know... ) another Petite Sirah. Haven't had this one, but it sounded pretty good. 2009 

Perry Creek Altitude 2401 Petite Sirah. 

95 "Insider" Points 

98 Points, California State Fair 

Double Gold, California State Fair 2012 

Best Petite Sirah in California 

Best of Appellation Award 

TN: Dark-purple color, intense ripe blackberry and plum aromas followed by a rich, meaty mouth-feel of mint, 

sour cherries and raspberry jam. 

Worth $20 to try. 

Spend $50 or $60 (something like that) you get $10 shipping. Open to members only, so if you need an invite, 

use: 

https://www.invino.com/signup/?invite=289d7273e0b2662b4e385325e3449cc2d38dfe6c (disclosure, I get 

credits if you join) 



28170 vinmoet 2012-11-14 12:36:38 CBS: am sure that the hills members will chip in here. I'm in. 


Am in my hotel in the City of Bordeaux...just got off the plane, saw some folks, and now am showered looking 

forward to a serious dinner. The lack of sleep is a bit numbing. Driving the rental car in the bus lane next to a 

police car that was arresting another car was not my smoothest move. That said, the GPS told me to turn, the 

car in front of me turned in to it making it easy to follow, and there was no signage. We were stuck in traffic 

behind all of these buses and the cop came over to me and chewed me out. He was pretty much through his 

tirade when I finally figured out what I had done. I thought that I must have somehow run a red light or blocked 

pedestrians or something. He thought I was English...turning out to be a stupid American probably explained a 

lot...he couldn't believe that I had done it in front of him...not so much that I had done it. At any rate, there was 

too much traffic, too many violators, and I was too stupid, so he let me go. 

Cabbing it tonight and am looking for a bottle of Bordeaux to make it all better... 

28171 mr21cbs 2012-11-14 13:09:57 Thank you, Vinmoet, stay out of trouble. How are the French jails? Should be avoided at all cost or bearable? 

28172 BuffaloLou 2012-11-14 14:27:36 More importantly, do they serve wine in French jails? Perhaps as punishment, they serve only Cali Cabs... ;) 

@Vinny - Hope you have a great time! 

28173 BuffaloLou 2012-11-14 14:31:16 A quick peek at pendings... not good. Not good at all. 

28174 ptaylor2112 2012-11-14 15:19:50 @Vinmoet, have a great time. 

Here's a clip of my favorite American in Paris. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXTe5GOYGz8 

28175 Phredd 2012-11-14 15:36:08 @BBob: Alas, my restraint was not greater than yours. I fell for a bottle of the 2007 GEM, too. 

28176 wine magnet 2012-11-14 16:16:46 @vinmoet: I believe you wrote that you were looking forward to duck breast while in France. IMHO, the seared 

duck breast in calvados sauce/apples w/either pom frites or the wonderful couscous at Chez Omar in Paris is the 

best. You have to take being seated at long tables w/sometimes raucous neighborhood Parisians, but the food is 

great and not expensive, by Parisian standards. I have not been there for 4 years because that was when I was 

last in Paris, but for several trips dating back 15 years, it always was a highlight for myself and my son, a 

Francophile of the first order. Because he travels to France a lot for business (mostly to Paris), he has taken 

Parisians there and they wonder how he found this gem. My mouth is watering, just thinking of rare duck breast 

in calvados w/apples... 




28179 BrunelloBob 2012-11-14 17:32:28 The cost of food in Paris makes food in Rome look cheap... 

Not a problem for Vinny, he's going to jail... 

28186 wine magnet 2012-11-15 06:35:38 BLou: 

Did you also spring for the 2010 Ty Caton PS on WTSO? I'm tempted, but also just received emails wineaccess, 

garagiste that they are shipping wine. 

Our FedEx driver told me that he had several other wineaccess deliveries on his route when he made his last 

delivery. I need to find out what other wine nuts work around our office so I can invite them to our weekly blind 

tastings. 

28190 louas 2012-11-15 09:00:42 @winemagnet: don't know about Blou but this Lou went in for a 4 pack of Ty Caton PS. Even though I too have 

UPS and FedEx bringing 

juice from Garagiste, WL, and Last Bottle. Haven't bought anything from Wineaccess in a while. 

Opened a bottle of CH Lot 200 Tuesday night and was totally underwhelmed. The big cali cab I was expecting to 

be there, was nowhere to be found. Anyone else popped one of these lately? CT notes are all over the place so 

there appears to be great bottle variation. 

28192 mr21cbs 2012-11-15 09:18:36 I went for the Ty Caton PS as well. Figured that the previous vintages from this place were pretty good, I like PS, 

so why not. 

28194 BuffaloLou 2012-11-15 12:33:46 @Wine mag - Sadly, I did not see the deal. When was it up? I've been wanting to pick-up some of Tys PS, but 

manage to miss it every time it's up. :'( 

28196 SCKen 2012-11-15 14:12:54 Louas - I bought nearly a case of the Lot 200. CH made all kinds of claims about how big it was and how it would 

get better over time. I just haven't found that to be true. I opened the first bottle shortly after receiving my first 

shipment and really thought it had a lot of potential if it opened up a little with more bottle age, so I ordered a 

few more bottles. Since then, I've probably tried it 3 or 4 more times, including a bottle a couple of weeks ago. 

While I still like it, it is anything but a "big" wine, and I don't think it is developing any in the bottle. That's not to 

say there isn't a lot going on, because there is, but everything is very subtle. I actually thought the Lot 189 Stags 

Leap Cab was better. Unfortunately, I have no more of it in my cellar! 

28198 wine magnet 2012-11-15 15:44:02 BLou: It came up just after Midnight and was still up this morning when I posted here (and subsequently ordered 

4 at 6:45AM, just to try it). I'll try to remember not to post spellbinding tasting notes should it be a winner. 




28201 louas 2012-11-15 20:54:13 @SCKen Pretty much agree with your lot 200 assessment, except that I liked it younger and really did not like 

the last bottle. 

On a happier wine note, we are totally enjoying a 2006 Gamache Vintners Estate CS (Columbia Valley, WA). A 

Garagiste ganga at <$14. 

Big fruit right out of the bottle. I have been informed by the commissioner that the wine is getting better and 

better as the night goes on. 

Perfect with grilled pork chops, grilled zucchini, grilled polenta. super qpr. 

Washington state wines continue to impress! 

28202 BuffaloLou 2012-11-15 22:25:33 @Wine mag - Don't worry about it... if it's great, I wanna know! :D 

28204 Jovino 2012-11-15 23:54:39 Anyone else bite on the bojo? Not an overwhelming discount, but nice reviews. The '09 bojo lived up to the hype 

IMO. 

28205 BuffaloLou 2012-11-16 00:06:34 Not a big Bojo fan... 

28208 BuffaloLou 2012-11-16 12:16:12 Disappointing pack on Cindy today. I've had Ottimino Zin, but not the '07. I'd like to try it. I haven't had the 

Riesling, but, again, would like to try it. I have no interest in a Chilian PN. (OK, I have little interest in PN, but 

especially one from Chile.) 

28210 David T 2012-11-16 17:18:52 I got along well with this guy and was sitting five feet away from him when he was arrested. Holy. Crap. 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/11/cleveland_clinic_nurse_charged.html 

28211 louas 2012-11-16 19:49:19 Tri Tip on the grill. Just popped a CH Lot 208. Man, that is a really good bottle of wine. Wish I had a few cases. 

Havens, we miss U! 

28212 Scott W 2012-11-16 20:43:02 2008 Keating Beckstoffer Georges III with Kalua pig...Wow! 

WB deal 

28213 BuffaloLou 2012-11-16 21:16:51 The Leonid meteors have been a bust so far tonight. Hoping something more promising after midnight... 

In the mean time a bottle of '07 Cantina Zaccagnini Montepulciano d'Abruzzo went down very nicely after 60 

minutes of air. Next, a Rentas de Fincas Reserva '05 Rioja lies in wait, breathing... 

28214 BuffaloLou 2012-11-16 21:17:34 @Scott - Kalua pig?? 

28215 BuffaloLou 2012-11-16 21:19:43 Scout Alex is treating us a 'live concert' featuring his version of AC/DC, the Beatles, and Skynyrd. I keep 

requesting Jimi (Purple Haze), but he ignores me. I think he takes after his mother. ;) 

28216 BrunelloBob 2012-11-16 21:59:16 DT. Holy Cr4p! 

(And where's Brooks!) 

28218 BuffaloLou 2012-11-16 22:12:06 Hook up the amp... Crank it to 12... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BwKGFb0PgI 



28219 BuffaloLou 2012-11-16 23:10:24 Classic Mac... 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRu7Pt42x6Y&feature=watch-vrec 

28220 Scott W 2012-11-16 23:50:56 @Blou Kalua pig= buried and cooked for 18hrs..... Hawaiian style, god was that delicious! 

No offence intended to any non meat eaters out there :) 

28222 BuffaloLou 2012-11-17 00:35:56 @Scott - I've always wanted to try that. I assume being buried it stays moist? 

28230 mr21cbs 2012-11-17 11:19:59 Thank you, to Everyone who sent me money for the TH site. I renewed all subscriptions for another year and with 

your help we will continue to talk wine, have a little fun, and enjoy life. Appreciate your help. 

Cheers! 

28231 Scott W 2012-11-17 16:56:06 @Blou also wrapped in banana leaves it comes up really moist. Really need to plan another trip to Hawaii! 

28233 luddite 2012-11-17 18:58:27 :) 

28234 BuffaloLou 2012-11-17 20:11:13 @Scott - I'd love to go back to Hawaii (we went there, and Mexico, for our Honeymoon.) Not in the cards for 

quite a few years... 

Been experimenting with brining all week. Did a pork tenderloin tonight. After brining (in water, salt, sugar, 

black pepper, chili powder) then pat dry, light coat of OO, then chili powder, then grilled to Medium. Wow. Very 

nice! Paired with a Sunce' '08 Zinfandel Old Clones, Bastoni Vineyard. Lots of fruit and a boat load of acid made 

it very food friendly. 



28236 BuffaloLou 2012-11-17 22:30:46 20th Anniversary... 


Jessep (Jack Nicholson): You want answers? 

Kaffee (Tom Cruise): I think I'm entitled to them. 

Jessep: You want answers? 

Kaffee: I want the truth! 

Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by 

men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly 

fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not 

knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while 

grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you 

don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. 

We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending 

something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man 

who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I 

provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon 

and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to! 

Greatest scene in cinema, ever. IMO. 

28238 BuffaloLou 2012-11-18 21:09:26 How about some Warren Haynes and Joe Bonamassa: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX14smq21HE&feature=related 

28239 BuffaloLou 2012-11-18 21:26:20 With dinner: '05 P.B. Hein Trailblazer Lyons Vineyard Syrah. Wow. Really nice wine, but give it some time to 

open, or decant. Later: '05 Edetària Terra Alta Via Edetana Bodegas Edetaria, Spain. Nice, inexpensive (former 

Cindy offering, http://cinderellawine.com/2010/03/04/2005-bodegas-edetaria-via-edetana/, $12.46) daily 

quaffer. Wish I had purchased more of both at these prices. 

28240 BuffaloLou 2012-11-18 21:28:23 BTW, that Haynes/Bonamassa tune was a rec of our very own Tony O! 




28244 vinmoet 2012-11-19 13:50:56 Well, they let me out of jail. The wine is vin ordinaire but if you play ball, you get upgraded to cru bourgeois. 

BLou...only the hardened criminals in solitary confinement must drink Cali. 

I must say that I had some incredible meals in the City of Bordeaux and a gem of a find in Saint Foy La Grande. 

My wife had an insane lamb shoulder which she says was the best restaurant dish ever (hey, at 18 Euros, it better 

be). I had the most phenomenal scallops ever. 

Made some amazing wine finds, have loaded our bags to 49 lbs each, packed with wine, and we head out 

tomorrow. One last meal tonight at an old family haunt with predictable and very good food. 

Glad you zanies have been holding down the fort. Signing out from Paris... 

28245 BrunelloBob 2012-11-19 14:06:28 Wondering what it means to "play ball" in jail... 

28247 BuffaloLou 2012-11-19 15:36:50 @Wine Mag - I just got hooked-up with 8 bottles of the Ty Caton PS '10! Can't wait to try one! 

Anyone have anything special, food, wine, or otherwise, planned for turkey day? 

28251 David T 2012-11-19 18:22:42 @BLou I cooked last year's turkey using the Joe G recipe here 

http://forums.winelibrary.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38461#p743075 

and it turned out great. Planning to do that again, only with a bigger bird so there are more leftovers. Ohio 

raised, vegetarian-fed, antibiotic-free. Will probably open a CN RLI & Kaella Rose, though our dinner will be 

Wednesday night because we have to work Thursday since the hospital never sleeps. 

28253 luddite 2012-11-19 19:58:43 Ahi Tuna and '09 Loring RRV PN ($25) Nice!: 





28254 BuffaloLou 2012-11-19 20:26:40 @DT - I agree with Joe on basting. I don't do it. Just increases cooking time. Perhaps it has a lot to do with my 

experiences with a) smoking (i.e., in the smoker, not the other... ) and b) dutch oven cooking. 

What I found really interesting is his addition of a dash of balsamic vinegar to his gravy. Mmmm... sounds 

yummy! 

I also agree with him on cooking time / final temp. Turkey and chicken are sooo overcooked! I pull about 155 - 

160 and let rise to 165. It's moist, juicy, and safe. The old "does the thigh fall off?" just means it's "over done". 

I also like to cook my bird "breast side down." I find it yields a more juicy bird. I don't worry about browning as 

my bird is not carved at the table. 

Over all, more good rec's by Joe G. Then again, what else does one expect from him? The man's a fantastic cook! 

28255 BuffaloLou 2012-11-19 20:32:16 @ludds - Never been a PN fan, but as soon as I read "ahi tuna", you caught my interest. If you say it's a great 

paring, then I want to try it! 

How did you prepare the ahi? 

28257 BuffaloLou 2012-11-19 21:38:36 @Vinny - Does the French wine label automatically at 40% to the cost of the wine? Just wondering... 

28258 McMalbec 2012-11-19 23:00:59 @BLou: speaking of Turkey, thanks for the detail on the dutch oven prep! Much appreciated. 

Our county wine lovers group met Saturday night. We leave the usual blind tasting format and everyone simply 

brings a wine they plan on using on Thankgiving with Turkey. Tasted some nice PNs, Zins, Chards and a few 

Malbecs. 

One of our members does several turkeys, each in a different style. In addition to the wine, everyone brings a 

side they are planning on using on Tday. Makes for a fantastic evening! 

28260 louas 2012-11-20 00:50:54 Was going to rotisserie a brined bird for T-giving. Max weight for rotiss is 12 lbs. Somehow a 19 lb bird showed 

up. New plan will be to cook on the Weber. Tried and true program. The commissioner's sister and brother in 

law are coming over and since they rarely drink outside the box, I don't plan on opening anything special on 

Thursday. 

28261 BuffaloLou 2012-11-20 01:07:55 @louas - some prudent trimming... loose both legs... some here and there, and perhaps you'll make your 12# 

limit? (Cook the legs separately, on the side.) 




28267 luddite 2012-11-20 07:11:41 @BLou: No special preparation for the Ahi just baked in the oven @ 350 for 15 minutes (2 pieces about 1/2 

pound each - these were thick cuts and you want them rare in the center). What makes it special is the 

Wegmans finishing sauce: 

http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=- 

1&storeId=10052&catalogId=10002&productId=670491 

If you're in the mood for spicy, try the Ahi with some blackberry wasabi sauce instead. 

28268 louas 2012-11-20 09:00:00 @BLou: Interesting concept! I think I'll just brine it in my traditional T-giving brine which has Spiced cider as its 

base and then season it up and on the weber it goes. crisp skin, juicy meat, full tummy. 

Remember to wear elastic waist pants on Thursday !! 

28270 BuffaloLou 2012-11-20 10:30:50 @ludds - re: "Ahi with some blackberry wasabi" - Now that sounds fantastic! I'll concur on serving the ahi rare. 

@louas - "elastic waist pants" - LOL! 

Last night: 

'07 Torre Quarto Uva di Troia Bottaccia - another excellent bottle. This continues to impress 

'98 Rosemount Balmoral Syrah - The massive fruit has finally mellowed. Really nice bottle! 

28272 McMalbec 2012-11-20 14:44:39 Bordeaux lovers: K&L promoting 2009 chateau laforge saint emilion. Has anyone opened one of these? 

BLou; ahi and blackberry wasabi- wow! 

28273 BuffaloLou 2012-11-20 16:12:31 Syrah lovers: inVino has 2009 Qupé Hillside Estate Syrah 1.5L (!) for only $56.99 each! This is $40/750, let alone 

magnum! (If you can find the mags... ) Here's the link: www.invino.com. If you're not a member, you can use 

my rec: (disclosure: I get a referral credit.) 

https://www.invino.com/signup/?invite=289d7273e0b2662b4e385325e3449cc2d38dfe6c 

28274 John O' 2012-11-20 18:29:58 Lou 

Any experience with the Qupe Syrah? I drank a 2007 Qupe Bien Nacido Chard recently that was excellent. 

They must be having a fire sale because they've been all over the flash sites recently. 




28275 Scott W 2012-11-20 18:41:57 Tonight... 2009 Hamilton Russell Pinot Noir Walker Bay South Africa 

Great structure, nice balance of fruit earth acid and tannin! Really nice bottle that needs more time. I did not 

know a good Pinot was made in South Africa! 

28278 BrunelloBob 2012-11-20 20:19:55 Up on Empire: 

Pazo de Senorans Albarino 2011 

MSRP: $25.00Price Each: $18.95 

International Wine Cellar 92 

"Pale gold. Intensely perfumed bouquet of lime zest, lemongrass, talc, white pepper and chamomile. Sappy 

orchard fruit and melon flavors are braced by tangy citrus fruits and dusty minerals, with a touch of tropical fruits 

emerging on the back half. Dry, focused and deeply fruity, finishing with impressive clarity and mineral cut." 

I've pimped the 2010 previously and C.T. notes suggest the 2011 may be even better. Not a huge discount 

(though it's the least I've paid), but I love this wine. 

28280 BuffaloLou 2012-11-21 00:15:01 @John O' - I had it once before. It was terrific, IMO. Sorry to say I do not have any TNs. 

28284 John O' 2012-11-21 05:16:23 ordered 3, Lou. Look for your credit 

28288 BuffaloLou 2012-11-21 09:38:10 Thanks John! I hope you enjoy it! 

28289 wine magnet 2012-11-21 09:52:22 Keeping with the "cooking" thread, my favorite Ahi tuna prep is as follows: Start with thick steak(s) of 1" or more, 

bring to near room temp, pat dry, flour it(them) lightly and shake/brush off excess flour. Dip in coconut milk, 

then press both sides into crushed Wasabi peas (a plastic bag, a firm surface, and a meat pounder/heavy pan will 

do a good job). Sear in a medium hot heavy skillet for a minute or two on each side (a minute if you like it very 

rare but still just above room temp, like myself), serve with your choice of sauce or just eat and enjoy. I have 

converted lots of people to eating tuna that is sushi rare instead of the medium they were previously eating (if 

they ate tuna at all). I have even had guests ask "what kind of meat is this?. 



28290 BuffaloLou 2012-11-21 10:16:46 @Wine Mag - re: ahi - the more rare, the better! 


Getting back to our discussion on cooking your Thanksgiving (or any other... ) turkey, I just heard an interview 

with a Butterball rep. They recommend separating the thighs from the breast as they have different cooking 

times and temps. I'll add that by separating them, they should cook faster and more evenly. 

Must say, though, when I have the opportunity (in Buffalo, the weather isn't always cooperative) I still prefer the 

rotisserie with brining. Put a roasting tin under the bird with water in it to catch drippings and keep some 

moisture. Use a cast iron smoking tray to add some smoke (I don't like a lot of smoke with my turkey, but a little 

adds that 'extra' touch. I like a blend of apple/pecan or apple/cherry wood. Rocks. 

28293 vinmoet 2012-11-21 12:28:46 OK guys. Safely back in the asylum. Bbob, playing ball includes all that it implies which is why I was stuck with vin 

ordinaire. Blou, a french wine label adds 75% which is also their new income tax rate for millionaires except that 

the truth is that the rate is really 82% because they also pay the equivalent of a social security tax too. 

McMal: Sorry, I've not had the Laforge. Here's what the Robert has to say... 



"From proprietor Jonathan Maltus, this blend of three terroirs, two on sand and one on gravel, is a blend of 92% 

Merlot and the rest Cabernet Franc. About 2,000 cases are produced, and the prodigious 2009 is the finest 

vintage to date. Inky blue/purple, with notes of licorice, camphor, black truffle, blackberry and blueberry, this fullbodied 

wine has massive concentration yet at the same time displays elegance and harmony. The equilibrium 

and 60+-second length make for a huge, massive, but incredibly well-balanced wine, like a shadow of the 

proprietor himself. Drink it over the next 15 or more years." 



"Laforge is a blend of three separate St.-Emilion terroirs assembled by proprietor Jonathan Malthus that is 

usually a blend of approximately 92% Merlot and 8% Cabernet Franc. A big wine, the opaque purple-hued 2009 

was somewhat closed the day I tasted it, but it revealed lots of minerality, blackberry, graphite, and subtle smoke 

28297 BrunelloBob 2012-11-21 15:15:28 I only drink water when I'm in prison. 

Avoid all possible misunderstandings... 



28303 BuffaloLou 2012-11-21 19:58:41 Welcome back, Vinny! Glad you made it back safely. 


Tonight: While a bottle of '09 Halcon Alturas is breathing, a bottle of Young's Double Chocolate Stout 

(http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/664/73) 

28305 BuffaloLou 2012-11-21 21:58:31 Looks like a nice daily drinker on Cindy tonight... 

28306 Scott W 2012-11-21 22:08:39 @Blou...I agree, nice ct notes and a good price i'm in for a few. 

28308 BuffaloLou 2012-11-21 22:29:55 @Scott - it was the CT notes that made it fo rme. 

re: the Halcon Alturas '09 - disappointing. Fruit and not much else. Not bad by any stretch, but there just wasn't 

much there... 

28309 Scott W 2012-11-21 22:52:53 @Blou I have had two bottles and found them quite good with lots going on and beautiful balance? did you give 

it a long decant? maybe a bad bottle, I don't think Syrah goes thru a dumb phase? Or maybe just not your style? 

anyway give it another chance hope it works for you. 

28311 David T 2012-11-22 01:01:07 Happy Thanksgiving to all inmates, past present and future! May it be filled with happy fellowship and lots of 

wine! 

@BLou Sorry to hear about the Alturas. Like Scott, I have had two bottles already and have really enjoyed them 

both. That being said, it's still very young and I plan to let the rest of mine sit at least another year or two before 

opening any more. My second bottle was not quite as good as the first... maybe closing down a bit? Jeb 

Dunnuck's review (from 12/11) says "this deserves 2-3 years of bottle age, and should easily evolve gracefully for 

12-15 years or more" I would tend to agree with his window; his score is higher than mine at the moment but 

IMO is indicative of the wine's potential. 

28315 Julius 2012-11-22 09:00:19 @vinmoet - La Tupina? 

28316 BuffaloLou 2012-11-22 09:55:32 @Scott & DT - The Halcon was an '09, not the new '10. It seemed closed down. Nice fruit. Nice acidity, but 

nothing secondary. I didn't find it much different from a <$10 bottle of Oz Shiraz. I'm hoping it was just 

the bottle as so many have had such good luck with it. I have one more bottle of the '09. I'll let it 

sit 6+ months and see what happens. In the mean time, I'll just have to pop a '10, purely for 

scientific purposes... 

HAPPY THANKSGIVING INMATES! 

28319 mr21cbs 2012-11-22 15:34:17 Happy Thanksgiving everyone! 



28328 vinmoet 2012-11-23 09:23:00 Belated Thanksgiving to everyone! 

Julius, 


You just got back too if I recall correctly. I am remembering Burgundy country? So, how was it? 

Every year we eat at La Tupina. We were only in Bordeaux 1 night. This year I instead reserved 

http://www.chapon-fin.com/ AND http://www.brasserie-bordelaise.fr/brasserie_bordelaise.php 

We flew in that night, took a shower, and elected to go with the Brasserie given our exhaustion. That said, it was 

a great call. Pretty simple menu, great ingredients, a loud fun environment and a very strong kitchen. My wife 

had lamb shoulder that she said was the best restaurant dish she's ever had and she really is the equivalent of a 

Julia Child herself. Of course I tasted it and the layers of flavor in the sauce were subtle and extensive. Truly 

wonderful. 

I had a phenomenal fois gras and an excellent duck breast. Do we like La Tupina better? Absolutely, but this was 

a fantastic change of pace. And, the old part of Bordeaux is full of old restaurants and high end shops and just a 

treat to walk through. I've yet to eat at Chapon Fin. But, we were tired and ready for comfort food. At 5 times 

the price, I want to be well rested to take on a high end restaurant like that. If we are with guests or the kids, La 

Tupina is a must. On our own, we like to branch out a bit. 

28332 McMalbec 2012-11-23 14:43:54 Thankful for your reports, Vin! 

28340 BuffaloLou 2012-11-24 00:01:27 Watching "Countdown to Apocalypse" on H2. If the world is going to end, or if life as we know it is doing to end 

on 12/21/12, then I have some serious drinking to do... That's a massive hangover every day! 

28345 vinmoet 2012-11-24 11:36:00 Love him or hate him, you have to admire him. Short but nice interview with Michel Rolland: 

http://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2012/11/q-and-a-michel-rolland 

28351 A Frayed Knot 2012-11-24 19:36:43 I believe this guy is headed for Vinny's truck stop.. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viQcoMQwuXE&feature=watch_response 

28352 BrunelloBob 2012-11-24 20:10:47 I can't believe I watched that and it didn't end in a crash... :lol: 

28354 BuffaloLou 2012-11-25 02:23:47 Fun evening at Dad's 75th birthday party. Friends and family from all over. Now that I'm home: 

Another terrific bottle of '06 Havens Syrah tonight. Drinking soooo good now! 

28358 BuffaloLou 2012-11-25 18:54:17 For dinner: Lamb sliders and a bottle of '07 Caburnio. Yum! 




28368 castello 2012-11-27 01:29:26 afk! in the house. email me. I've got a friend in your neck o the woodseseseses. 

28369 castello 2012-11-27 01:55:32 Sorry for the drive by. How are my long lost wine friends? I check in now and then but my Pallets(think 

wooden)have switched to cheap Pinot Noir and I can't look you in the eye anymore. BLou follow me to the 

IODINE! 

28370 castello 2012-11-27 03:22:29 Great travel tips Vinny. Can't wait to go to that truckstop. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6uTy00dZ8 

28372 vinmoet 2012-11-27 09:03:23 Its hard to get across what these places are like. Anthony Bourdain visited one in Burgundy. Here's the clip. 

Obviously since mine is in Bordeaux, its much better. No, really, it is. 

http://www.travelchannel.com/video/burgundys-truck-stop-scene 

28373 A Frayed Knot 2012-11-27 09:54:23 Hello Castello......knotbillthecat at gmail dot com 

28380 louas 2012-11-27 21:17:05 Grilled lamb chops, butternut squash/spinach gratin, wedge salad w/pt. reyes blue cheese. All this with 2006 San 

Roman Toro which IMHO is one damn delicious wine. Glad I have some more. 

28381 BuffaloLou 2012-11-27 22:18:46 @louas - LOL! We did Grilled lamb chops tonight, too, but with acorn squash, and a tomato salad. Paired with 

an '05 Wayne Gretzkey No. 99 Cab Sauv. It was the best bottle of the WG #99 we've had. It was really rockin'! 

28388 BuffaloLou 2012-11-28 13:47:35 BIG bottle bubbles from wiredforwine.com! 

Jeroboam (3 LITERS/4 bottles): La Grand Dame from Veuve Clicquot 

Jeroboam (3 LITERS/4 bottles) Veuve Clicquot Brut 

Jeroboam (3 LITERS/4 bottles) Moet & Chandon Imperial 

Methuselah (6 LITERS/8 bottles) Veuve Clicquot Brut 

Methuselah (6 LITERS/8 bottles) Moet & Chandon Imperial 

Salmanazar (9 LITERS/12 bottles) Moet & Chandon Imperial 

Balthazar (12 LITERS/16 bottles) Veuve Clicquot Brut 

Balthazar (12 LITERS/16 bottles) Moet & Chandon Imperial 

Nebuchadnezzar (15 LITERS/20 bottles) Veuve Clicquot Brut 

Nebuchadnezzar (15 LITERS/20 bottles) Moet & Chandon Imperial 

Of course, big bottles of Champagne bring big price tags... 

28389 mr21cbs 2012-11-28 15:27:49 BuffaloLou those are some serious prices. I understand it is a 12-15L bottle but $2000? 

28390 BuffaloLou 2012-11-28 18:59:20 @cbs - I guess you're paying for the rarity of the bottle. How many 12L and 15L do you see? 

Would be awesome to pop and serve from one! (Seriously, ever lift a 12L or 15L bottle? My father has a 12L 

from Peju Province (Cab Sauv). It weighs a ton!) 




28392 mr21cbs 2012-11-28 21:25:19 Lou, we have a pretty large familia, and I would consider a cab, Syrah in a 6L, but not champaign. Plus I don't 

have the money to spend. Other priorities. It would have been cool to open something like that though. 

28393 BuffaloLou 2012-11-28 23:38:04 @cbs - I hear you. Notice I didn't say that I have/had one! Those big bottles are good for aging or making a big 

presentation. I'd rather save the $ and buy 4 or 6 (or more) bottles vs buying the big format. Still, if you have the 

means, and the opportunity... 

28395 John O' 2012-11-29 06:46:04 Just back from Ireland. A wine wasteland, but some excellent beers. Kilkenny ale was my favorite from a long 

list tried. 

Went to an ersatz Italian bistro one night. The wines were all between 18 - 20 Euro (all 8 of them). Tried to 

deduce the least worst, and selected a Spanish wine that looked like a Priorat type blend. It was aged 3 years in 

French oak, so meself thinks, at least they spent a little time and money on it. When it came out, it was a 2010 

vintage. 

In Cork City we went to a pub and I asked the barman about the special on the board outside that sounded pretty 

good. He explained, "Oh we haven't changed that in ages. Brings the customers in". 

My tribe can be a bit loose with the truth, 

28396 John O' 2012-11-29 06:56:09 The long flights allowed me to read Robert Parker's biography "The Emperor of Wine". Not the greatest work of 

non-fiction of the last 100 years, but very interesting to me as a wine guy. It was written in 2005, so a bit dated. 

A few of the takeaways: 

1) Parker has been pretty scrupulous about maintaing his integrity and independence. He has become a big 

target and each time accused, has pretty much vindicated himself. 

2) Even his critics would admit that he exposed a lot of shoddy winemaking and improved the quality of many 

vintners. 

3) He donates a lot of his time and celar for good causes. 

4) He developed the 100 point scale. It was intended to be secondary to the tasting notes, but we all know how 

that worked out. 

5) The power he has amassed is scary. If you don't make a wine that fits his preference, you're screwed. 

6) Many people believe his habit of tasting scores of wines at a sitting, allowing a minute or so for each, is 

inherently flawed. 




28397 vinmoet 2012-11-29 09:50:23 John O: Good for you. I think that your assessment of the book is on target. Not necessarily a fun read, but 

certainly an interesting read. 

Found this blurb from Parker on his tastings for you bums too lazy to read the book: 

"When possible all of my tastings are done in peer‑group, single‑blind conditions, (meaning that the same types 

of wines are tasted against each other and the producers names are not known). The ratings reflect an 

independent, critical look at the wines. Neither price nor the reputation of the producer/grower affect the rating 

in any manner. I spend three months of every year tasting in vineyards. During the other nine months of the 

year, six and sometimes seven‑day workweeks are devoted solely to tasting and writing. I do not participate in 

wine judgings or trade tastings for many reasons, but principal among these are the following: (1) I prefer to 

taste from an entire bottle of wine, (2) I find it essential to have properly sized and cleaned professional tasting 

glasses, (3) the temperature of the wine must be correct, and (4) I prefer to determine the time allocated to the 

number of wines to be critiqued. 

The numerical rating given is a guide to what I think of the wine vis‑a‑vis its peer group. Certainly, wines rated 

above 85 are very good to excellent, and any wine rated 90 or above will be outstanding for its particular type. 

While some have suggested that scoring is not well suited to a beverage that has been romantically extolled for 

centuries, wine is no different from any consumer product. There are specific standards of quality that full‑time 

wine professionals recognize, and there are benchmark wines against which others can be judged. I know of no 

one with three or four different glasses of wine in front of him or her, regardless of how good or bad the wines 

might be, who cannot say, I prefer this one to that one. Scoring wines is simply taking a professional's opinion 

and applying some sort of numerical system to it on a consistent basis. Scoring permits rapid communication of 

information to expert and novice alike. 

The score given for a specific wine reflects the quality of the wine at its best. I often tell people that evaluating a 

wine and assigning a score to a beverage that will change and evolve in many cases for up to 10 or more years is 

l ki h h f h h b i d b lik i f i 

28403 vinmoet 2012-11-29 13:28:21 WTSO has the 2008 Maison Louis Latour Puligny-Montrachet Referts 1er Cru. I'm not Mr. White Burgundy 

expert, but I have had this wine and think that it is very, very good. 

28404 jovino 2012-11-29 14:51:37 I know it isn't the $200/bottle stuff, but wine.woot has a balsamic that everyone seems to think is amazing 

(wooters seem to be a very uniform bunch). I bought two just to see what the fuss was about. 

Arger-Martucci cab is a steal at $20 on wtso IMO. It needs a two hour decant, but with it, it shows better than 

you'd expect from a bottle with a $40 release price and an unknown name. 




28405 BuffaloLou 2012-11-29 16:09:00 #!@$! Cindy... #!@$! SRT... #!@$! 

28407 louas 2012-11-29 17:00:23 @&^%$#BLou: I went in for more San Roman. 

28408 BrunelloBob 2012-11-29 17:38:55 "My tribe can be a bit loose with the truth" :lol: :lol: 

....but at least we admit it, nay, we're Proud of it! 


difference between Blarney and Baloney at Blarney Castle: 

Baloney (spoken to a 50 year old woman). You look like you're 20 years old. 

Blarney: How old are you? I ask because I want to know the age at which are women most beautiful. 

28411 BuffaloLou 2012-11-29 21:20:58 @louas - I'm guilty, too. 

28412 David T 2012-11-29 21:44:51 I didn't see the vinegar or read the hype about it on woot, but thanks to another great JoeG rec, I'm not sure I 

need any in my life but this. Worth every penny. http://salumeriaitaliana.com/catalog/vinegars/balsamic/rubioaged 

28413 BuffaloLou 2012-11-29 23:35:05 I'll second the Joe G rec on the balsamic vinegar. It's fantastic, and a killer price! 

28422 John O' 2012-11-30 06:17:28 Lou - 2009 Kent Rasmussen PS on woot 

28424 BuffaloLou 2012-11-30 13:33:10 @John O - I was weak. I caved. (Truth be told, I had a mini-vertical going, and couldn't resist a third in the 

vertical.) 

#!@$! Cindy… #!@$! Zin… I love Zin! #!@$! I don't need more Zin, but I want more Zin. #!@$! 

28426 louas 2012-11-30 14:27:39 Way in for the Esoterica PS!!! 

28429 louas 2012-11-30 16:17:29 Has anyone had any experience ordering wine from WSJ Wines? I have two brochures sitting in front of me full 

of mixed cases that seem to be pretty good wine at pretty good prices. 

28430 vinmoet 2012-11-30 16:48:09 Louas, I get those too. Have never bought them. Have never seen a wine that I've recognized. Appear to be low 

end wines that might be OK. That's my 2 cents. Doubt that I will take the plunge myself. 

28432 louas 2012-11-30 19:38:14 Vinmoet. That was my feeling upon further review, although I thought they were more mid range stuff than low 

end. Not planning on any purchases. 

28433 BrunelloBob 2012-11-30 19:53:29 I probably should have bought the Chinon... 

We are test driving a 2010 Duboeuf Beaujolais Villages tonite which was on sale at local supermarket for $6. 

Last night thoroughly enjoyed a Chinon that was an Empire wine ship4free a few weeks ago. (Domaine Eric 

Herault). Solid vaue at $14 IMHO. 

Fun weekend to all. Take a moment to root for the Badgers tomorrow! 



28434 Scott W 2012-11-30 20:27:09 Tonight I popped a 2007 Castello di Bossi Corbaia Toscana IGT 


Holy crap is this good! young I know but very drinkable...hope you all bought some. 

28435 McMalbec 2012-11-30 21:39:44 @louas: wise decision. I was in the "sister" wine club about 5 years ago. 

GO Bucky!!!! 

28437 McMalbec 2012-11-30 22:10:17 @Vin: welcome back. Enjoyed your truck stop reports. Not exactly like the Flying J! 

Following your suggestion to seek out value in the 2009 Bordeauxs, I saw the following on JJB: 

2009 La Vielle Cure, Fronsac. 

· 93 Points, Wine Advocate: This is typically one of the finest offerings of Fronsac, but I am not convinced 

the 2009 will eclipse their magnificent 2005, although it will certainly give the latter wine a run for its money. The 

opaque purple-hued 2009 offers a beautiful aromatic display of camphor, blueberries, acacia flowers, 

raspberries, and crushed rocks. Full-bodied and pure with a nicely layered texture, the vintage’s unctuosity and 

thickness as well as freshness and definition, 

2009 Lalande Borie, St. Julien - 2nd wine of Ducru Beaucaillou. 

· 91 Points, Jame Suckling: Round and silky, with a lovely richness of chocolate, currant and plum character. 

Full and flavorful. Delicious now, but much better in 2015. 

2009 Le Parde de Haut Bailly, Pessac-Leognan - 2nd wine of Haut Bailly. 

· 90 Points, Wine Spectator: Very polished, with an alluring incense and licorice edge to the core of supple 

black cherry, anise and plum sauce flavors. Suave black tea and tar hints chime on the finish, but this stays openknit 

and rounded. Drink now through 2018 

2009 La Gravette de Certan, Pomerol - 2nd wine of Vieux Ch. Certain. 

· 92 Points by JJ Buckley's Alex Shaw: Nearly opaque at the core with a deep purple rim. Sweet purple fruits 

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28438 BuffaloLou 2012-11-30 22:49:18 Speaking of French wines... tonight, '07 Xavier Vacqueyras (old Cindy deal). 

2007 

Xavier Vacqueyras - France, Rhône, Southern Rhône, Vacqueyras (11/30/2012) 

This must be much too young. On the PnP, it was quite nasty. After several hours of breathing it started coming 

around: 

N: Initially there was a lot of forest floor funk, but it burned off and developed into intense black fruits, anise, 

watermelon, ink, a hint of lychee fruit 

P: nondescript black fruits, bitter coffee, very dark chocolate 

F: med 

Massive tannins overwhelm the mid-palate, and dry out the mouth. There is certainly enough fruit to last a few 

years to allow the tannins to mellow and integrate. Will not try again for at least a year. (89 points) 


28440 louas 2012-12-01 09:51:42 Say it ain't so! 

WHAT? 

8. Wine Consumption Drops in France 

And now, something from the Department of the Unexpected: wine consumption levels in France are at a record 

low. Yes, drinking wine, which was once considered France's favorite pastime, just doesn't hold the cachet it used 

to. In 1965 the average French adult drank 160 liters of wine per year, that number is now down to 57, and just 

17 percent were regular wine drinkers as of 2010. The numbers may be due to health concerns and the rising 

popularity of juice and soda with meals. There's still no word on whether beret-wearing and snootiness numbers 

are also down. 

Read it at Los Angeles Times 



28441 vinmoet 2012-12-01 11:21:18 McMalbec: 


2009 La Vielle Cure, Fronsac: The Robert knows more than I do so follow his review. This Chateau frequently 

gets love from the critics and I have always been underwhelmed. Am not a Fronsac fan. My theory is that the 

fruit has no backbone, no legs because of the terroir. Therefore, it shows great early but fades and has no 

length. You can still buy the 2000 here and there for not much money and it is in a drinking window now. You 

can't ignore a 93 point score but for less money, I like the '09 Senjanc on Empire for about 25 bones delivered. 

2009 Lalande Borie, St. Julien I like this wine despite Suckling liking it. 

2009 Le Parde de Haut Bailly, Pessac-Leognan - I love the big brother but have not had this second wine. Its just 

the big brother is still such a good value that I'd tend to want to spend the money on it unless I'm stealing the 

second wine. 

2009 La Gravette de Certan, Pomerol. Pomerol battles for my favorite appellation, period. I have had La 

Gravette but not had the '09. My experience has been that there really is a big difference between their first and 

second wines. Pomerol is limited and its expensive to buy so while I would lean towards saying you need to steal 

it, my gut tells me that if you are short on Pomerol and this is a good buy, grab it and forget having to steal it. 

Probably a wine that will last about 15 years versus 40 or 50 for its big brother. 

By the way, understand that a truck stop in France is really a restaurant...no pumps, no cool store where you can 

buy chrome bull's b@lls to hang from underneath your pick up truck (have you guys seen those elsewhere in the 

28442 vinmoet 2012-12-01 11:25:19 Louas, 

Am curious if Times was guessing why. My thoughts are that there is a shift from quantity to quality. The ABV 

has gone up and they drink less. And finally, there is a large immigration population from the 80's going forward 

and now 10% of the population subscribes to Islam so no drinking. Beret sightings are down but snootiness is 

always rising... 

28443 BrunelloBob 2012-12-01 17:53:25 I think French people have discovered Italian wine. 

They're still drinking just as much, they just don't admit it. 

National shame... 

28444 BuffaloLou 2012-12-01 19:10:23 @BB - ROFLMAO! Touche'! 

I was going to offer a comeback to McM's post, but BB wins the prize! 

28448 McMalbec 2012-12-02 01:14:13 @ Vin- thank you for your comments. 

Louas- U Rah Rah Wis- Con- Sin! 




28450 John O' 2012-12-02 09:29:50 Had a Cameron Hughes Lot 179 (Havens Black & Blue) last night. 1.5 hour decant, then consumed over 

another 1.5 hours. This wine is getting better and better with age. Perfect accompaniment to my pot roast. 

28451 louas 2012-12-02 10:10:07 @vin: I have not explored the entire article at LA Times. Maybe later 

RE: Badgers...talk about opening a can of whoop ass!!!! 

QPR:2010 Fetzer Crimson Winemakers Favorite Red Blend. @$11 this defines ez drinking. Syrah, zin, CS and PS. 

28452 vinmoet 2012-12-02 12:21:47 Mrs. V is the chef of our household. I tend to work early til late and weekends. Yesterday, though, I got home at 

3 and decided to cook myself. Instead of manly grill food, I decided to try making Laura Calder's French truckstop 

menu. 

I don't really have any skill level but I can follow directions and her recipes are pretty simple. Plus, I hooked a 

projector up to my lap top and watched her video with her written recipe while preparing. This helped a lot. 

French Onion Soup. Did not know this was so easy. Took about 45 minutes to make but was very easy. Of 

course it helps when there is home made beef stock in the fridge. But Mrs. V says that there are a number of 

very good over the counter stocks you can buy and pour. I like this because it sits until you want it. You just 

assemble and broil before serving. I like just about any semi sec to dry white. We went with a Vouvray and 

loved it. 

Pork Chops with Potatoes. We haven't figured out the French name for this one. Cut slivers into the sides of 

thick pork chops and slip in garlic. Brown, but don't cook, the chops. Deglaze pan with white wine and dump 

into baking pot. Layer potato slices and onions on bottom. Lay chops on top. Put juniper berries on top of the 

chops. Cover with more onions. Cover with potato slices. Pour in 1/2 cup of wine. Cover with parchment paper 

and put lid on. Bake for 45 minutes. Pour half cup of chicken stock in. Bake another 45 minutes. Crazy easy. 

Love that you can let it sit a long time and no problem so it makes for easy timing. I think that a red Rhone, a 

Burgundy or a big brassy white would go well with this. Of course, we chose a 2003 Calon Segur since, as I have 

explained before, Bordeaux goes with everything. 

Cauliflower Gratin - bay leaf/garlic infused butter, flour, milk and Gruyere cheese cooked and then mixed with 

blanched cauliflower and baked with Parmesan and bread crumbs on the top. What I liked about this was that it 

tasted great, was easy, and you basically have it pretty much cooked so it can sit in the pan and you toss it in the 

oven to finish it 5 minutes before you eat it. Fresh out of the oven, but easy to time with the main. 

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28453 vinmoet 2012-12-02 12:29:47 Bbob: The French have been drinking Italian wine for centuries, in their vinaigrette. 




28456 BuffaloLou 2012-12-02 16:08:28 You two should take this on the road! LOL! 

28457 BrunelloBob 2012-12-02 16:28:39 If the French could grow a decent olive oil, they wouldn't need vinaigrette... ;) 

28459 vinmoet 2012-12-02 23:13:46 Yet, they produce a modest amount of olive oil and must import their vinegar from Italy to make their 

vinaigrette. Thus, their efforts remain making the world's best wines. 

28462 BrunelloBob 2012-12-03 06:18:06 "their efforts remain making the world’s best wines." 

--Keep Trying, France. Keep trying... 

28464 vinmoet 2012-12-03 09:11:47 Italy, just remember, you always pass failure on the way to success. You may have a lot of failure to pass but you 

are the little engine that could. Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do. Things turn out 

best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. It's not the load that breaks you down, it's the 

way you carry it. Ability is what you're capable of doing. Italy, simply put, you make great vinegar. Don't let 

anyone tell you otherwise. 

28467 TonyO 2012-12-03 13:24:42 Has there ever been a great rock and roll band from Italy or France? I can not think of any......... 

28468 vinmoet 2012-12-03 13:42:10 TonyO: Am not going to place the link here but google "make the girl dance baby baby baby" and you make the 

call. Its very French. 

You've got a good point though... 

28471 BuffaloLou 2012-12-03 16:05:52 Today's Cindy deal sounds in my wheelhouse and too good to pass on for a daily drinker. In for 12 pack. 

Vinny, do the women always walk down the streets in France like that? 

28472 vinmoet 2012-12-03 16:47:36 Blou: I will leave that up to your imagination. I would say that the pushing the envelope behavior tends to be 

centered in Paris. The rural areas are much more conservative, at least in a French kind of way. 

28473 BrunelloBob 2012-12-03 18:02:18 Sophia Loren 

That is all 

28474 TonyO 2012-12-03 18:42:11 Sophia Loren had her day, no disrespect in that I know she is about 100, but someone posted something the 

other day saying how hot she still is.....good Lord if that is considered hot beyond the 4 walls of a retirement 

home then I must be missing something..........but if she makes a decent Pasta Fagiole, I'm in.... 

28475 BuffaloLou 2012-12-03 20:23:41 In light of Vinny's trump card (the video), I think we need to declare France the winner in the Franco-Italian 

debate. ;) 



28476 vinmoet 2012-12-03 20:56:05 I'm willing to call it a draw Blou. I LOVE Sophia: 


http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/central/ 

I can even drink Chianti if I am watching Claudia Cardinale 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIngQr2w_s 

28477 BuffaloLou 2012-12-03 21:44:39 OK, enough about France and Italy! Tonight: 

2010 Finca Abril Malbec Reserva Single Vineyard Alhambra - Argentina, Mendoza, 

Valle de Uco (12/3/2012) 

Very nice! Black cherries, cassis, vanilla, and smoke on the nose along with a hint of cinnamon and chinese five 

spice. Loads of typical Malbec black fruit and floral notes on the front palate, tar and licorice on the back palate. 

Slightly mouth drying tannins give structure to it. Nice viscosity fills the mouth without being heavy and over the 

top. Excellent QPR. (88 points) 


28478 BuffaloLou 2012-12-03 22:06:04 Side note on the Alhambra Malbec: It has 14.3%ABV, yet you wouldn't know it was above 12. 

28481 BuffaloLou 2012-12-04 01:49:32 ‎9 minutes 35 seconds of perfection. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLw7nozO_U&feature=colike 

28486 john o' 2012-12-04 08:16:54 Question 

When longer-term storing wines in your cellar in Styrofoam shippers, is it OK to store them upside down, or 

should they be on their sides? 

28487 BuffaloLou 2012-12-04 09:03:54 Good question, John. I've never read anything that says you can't. Then again, I haven't seen anything that says 

you can. Seeing as the purpose it to keep the cork moist, I can't see anything wrong with it with the exception 

that you might get some sediment built-up at the bottom of the cork. I popped a bottle of Torre Quarto that had 

a large build-up of sediment at the base of the cork to the extent that it severely restricted pouring. It came out 

easily, though. 



28488 vinmoet 2012-12-04 09:09:14 John O: Here are my thoughts. 


Retailers and merchants tend to ship/store upside down. This is to keep the corks wet and also minimizes issues 

with weaker cardboard boxes. Original wood crates force the storage on the side. 

For long term storage at home, I would still suggest storing the bottles on their side. I worry that storing a bottle 

upside down long term will cause a deposit of sediment to build up on the cork which could be traumatic when 

opened. Also, storing upside down seemingly puts more pressure on the cork. If you have an older cork or a 

defective cork, that would probably create more opportunity for leakage. 

If you have newer bottles that are going to be stored for a year or so, then I wouldn't have much concern. If your 

bottles are unfiltered, older, and/or intended to age for longer then I would definitely store on the side. 

Others may have different input... 

28496 louas 2012-12-04 18:18:40 Hey BB: What say you regarding today's Garagiste Barolo offering? 

2006 Aldo Conterno Barolo - $36.80 

(Compare at up to $100+ in the US) 

2007 Aldo Conterno Barolo - $36.94 

(Compare at up to $80+ in the US) 

2006 Aldo Conterno Barolo “Cicala” 750ml - $52.91 

(compare at up it $150 in the US) 




28497 BrunelloBob 2012-12-04 21:16:14 @Louas: I say we need to throw up the "bat-signal" for BaroloDude! 

Where's he been lately? 

He'd give you a better answer than I. 

x 

A few generalities (based on little or no personal tasting experience with this producer. Certainly I have no notes): 

1) The producer is legit ( by reputation) 

2) The vintages are legit 

3) These are gonna need some time 

4) If I'm buying, and I have limited space, I'm buying the Cicala. Single vineyard makes a big difference with 

nebbiolo 

28498 BrunelloBob 2012-12-04 21:19:19 and I agree with Vinny, store on the side if long term. That extra pressure upside down will make a difference 

over 5-10-20 years 

28499 A Frayed Knot 2012-12-04 21:27:17 H01y (r4p ..... Cheap mexican food today........I think I have a chinchilla stuck in my sarcophagus 

28500 David T 2012-12-04 21:27:19 FWIW, Matt Kramer on humidity (& other wine 'myths'). Not necessarily on storage angle (I would tend to 

favor horizontal not cork-down myself) but his insights are second to none & I can see where he's coming 

from. FWS but Kramer's writings are second to none IMO. 

http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/47742 

28501 BuffaloLou 2012-12-04 22:08:12 How apropos: I popped (what I believe is my last) 2007 Torre Quarto tonight. It must have been stored up-sidedown 

for a while because the sediment nearly completely plugged the neck of the bottle. The wine came out in 

a trickle. It was very easy to pop it off with a knife. 

28502 louas 2012-12-04 22:28:32 Oriel 2003 Etereo Barolo from Last Bottle. I have very little experience with Barolo. This was good on the pnp 

and kept getting better. 14%abv totally tamed. BIG teeth coating tannins. We both loved it. Looks like more of 

this "flavor" in my future. 

Anyone know where you can a find a good football coach for the Mighty Mighty Badgers? 

Thanks for your response BB. 

28509 David T 2012-12-05 09:10:46 News from France... 

1. Oops http://news.yahoo.com/18th-century-french-chateau-razed-mistake-124226251.html 

2. Italy wins http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/05/us-sperm-french-idUSBRE8B40HR20121205 

28511 BrunelloBob 2012-12-05 10:52:11 GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! :LOL: 

28512 Julius 2012-12-05 11:43:33 @Louas - The Aldo Conterno Barolo offering from Garagiste sounds like the leftovers from the earlier sales from 

K&L and WHCW. I bought a mixed 6-pack of single vineyard cru and GranBussia from K&L. 



28513 Julius 2012-12-05 11:45:37 Vandals Destroy Prized Brunello di Montalcino Wine 


http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/vandals-destroy-prized-brunello-di-montalcinowine/?ref=dining 

28514 BrunelloBob 2012-12-05 12:21:12 :cry: 

28515 BaroloDude 2012-12-05 12:35:12 that Barolo offering from Garagiste was niiiiiiice. (Hopefully) added a few to the pile... i hope you did too. 

Nice La Gerla WL deal last night (i passed as i already have some), and today we get Finca Sandoval on Cindy 

again. Love that stuff. 

Hope everyone is well at THills. 

Just too busy to be posting much these days, but i try to peek in on occasion. Cheers! 

28516 john o' 2012-12-05 14:25:51 @vinmoet 

any opinion on the WL offerring: 2006 Roylland for $20? 

28517 vinmoet 2012-12-05 14:45:57 John O': There are a ton of Saint Emilion Chateaux and this is one that I've never heard of. I have driven through 

about every corner of the appellation but I've not tasted at every Chateau. 

Its a Grand Cru which really does mean something. I'm not a 2006 fan but it is a good, not great, vintage. Its 

tannic. It needs age. I like that this is Merlot and Cabernet Franc. I am guessing that this may not be as fruity and 

fleshy as some might like. I would suggest decanting it a couple of hours. I would guess it will need another 5 

years of aging. 

I warn you that a WE score is more restrained in Bordeaux than a WS score which suggests that this is not a 

flamboyant wine. The wine appears readily available for about $20 plus shipping. $17 plus shipping = $20+ per 

bottle for this deal. This seems like an awfully good price but I still like you buying 2009's. 

If you like a medium bodied, leaner style wine versus a full, fleshy wine then it seems like it is a good buy. Of 

course, this is all speculation on my part. 

But remember, you can buy the Senjac from Empire for $25 including shipping or $20 from Binny's w/o shipping. 

That is a safer deal and a good measuring stick when trying to figure out what is a Bordeaux bargain. 

28518 john o' 2012-12-05 15:20:08 merci beaucoup 

28519 vinmoet 2012-12-05 15:27:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0-cSxGfV5A 

28521 vinmoet 2012-12-05 15:38:06 I hope that works... 




28522 louas 2012-12-05 17:03:52 Blou: Could use a consult on x-mas gift for favorite nephew who is a scout and goes to scout camp for a week in 

the summer. 

louas09@gmail.com 

28523 David T 2012-12-05 18:09:45 I'll second BaroloDude's rec of the 07 Finca Sandoval which is up until 9 on Cindy. I popped one tonight- nice 

stuff. Lou, I saw on CT you have a case of it, I would pop one soon to check in as it's drinking quite well already. 

My note... 

28526 BrunelloBob 2012-12-05 18:50:38 6 Bottles of Uccelliera RdM at 11.04 a bottle? 

Now THAT'S a deal 

Lovin' JJ Buck 

28527 BrunelloBob 2012-12-05 20:01:53 Louas: 

28528 Scott W 2012-12-05 21:35:41 @BB how did you get that deal???? 

Uccelliera RdM at 11.04 a bottle 

28529 BuffaloLou 2012-12-05 22:29:58 @DT - Thank you for the tip. I will pop one soon. 

2007 Finca Sandoval Manchuela - Spain, Castilla-La Mancha, Manchuela (12/5/2012) 

The cork on this bottle was completely soaked, but it opened with a pop and didn't seem to affect the wine. The 

nose on this wine is very dark & complex- blackberry, red & black licorice, a bit of meat, leather & 

smoke. The flavors are quite meaty/smoky, along with red/dark fruit, a spicy midpalate and an oak-driven finish. 

My mouth is watering from the acidity, and the finish is medium+ with noticeable tannins. All that said, it is quite 

approachable now with a bit of air but should easily last 3-5 more years. (91 pts.) 

Edit: just curious wassup with TH using the lesser than/greater than signs for HTML not [ ]? That was quite the 

job to get the CT note to post in the correct format! Thankfully under 10 minutes... 

Edit2: Jeez, I even had to edit this again because it wouldn't let me say "lesser-than-symbol" 10 minutes! :/ 

http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/38592?productId=603113&subrnd=0&qs=3016887_pmd_google_pla 

@Louas - check your email. 

Should we send someone to check on BB? I hope he doesn't have any suicidal thoughts after reading that article 

on BdM! 




28534 BrunelloBob 2012-12-06 06:17:21 Scott: JJBuck is about to do their end of the year clearance sale. This year they gave their "private clients" first 

shot at the sale items via email. Sorry, I grabbed all 6 of the available Ucc. :) 

28535 BrunelloBob 2012-12-06 06:32:07 Scott: If you (or anyone else) are not on the JJBuck preferred program and want to be, give me an email address 

and I'll refer you. Not every deal is great, but there's enough to keep an eye on it. 

Oh, BTW, I believe we both get a $25 credit if you sign up and buy 

28541 BuffaloLou 2012-12-06 12:35:10 @BB - I'll take a referral, please! My email is scouterlou at gmail. 

Thank you! 

28544 BrunelloBob 2012-12-06 16:13:08 Done 

28547 jovino 2012-12-06 18:08:17 I thought I responded pretty quickly to the Barolo offer on garagiste, but I'm not showing anything in my account 

and I received no email back. They say all the responses have gone out. Has anyone received a confirmation? 

28548 BaroloDude 2012-12-06 18:35:00 dearest jovino... sadly BaroloDude has had the same exact experience. That's what i get for being on planes too 

often. If that perfect offer goes out and I land an hour later, its already too late. 

Dear THers, keep BaroloDude in your hearts and minds this holiday season. Donate your Garagiste Aldo 

COnterno allocation to me. I will offer fair compensation. ALDO's LABEL IS MY FREAKING GRAVATAR FOR 

CRYING OUT LOUD BAH HUMBUG. 

28551 luddite 2012-12-06 19:44:01 @BD/Jovino: ditto 

28552 TonyO 2012-12-06 20:32:55 In honor of the return of Barolo Dude...............Glenn Hughes is ageless.............. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB_JQWX9uOE 

28553 RitchP 2012-12-06 21:51:29 BaroloDude, jovino, no need to cry over Garagiste! Woodland Hills Wine Co has Conterno's 06/07 base bottling 

for $38.95 each prearrival, and 750s of 05/06/07 Cicala all for under $60 -- only one left of the '06 Cicala, though, 

and only four of the '07, so you two will have to share the '06! They were having a free shipping special, too, but 

I think it is over. I deleted the e-mail after putting in a small order so that I wouldn't be further tempted... Happy 

Holidays, everyone! 

28554 BrunelloBob 2012-12-06 21:56:15 Sunglass avatar...Cool 

28564 Jovino 2012-12-07 08:41:49 Thank you Rich. The '06 sold out while it was in my cart and they don't ship to TX. They didn't charge for 

shipping, but I think that will be billed on arrival. 




28567 BuffaloLou 2012-12-07 15:21:31 Last Bottle has Tardieu Laurent Hermitage 2008 for $50, FS/3. Don't know if this is good or not, just passing 

along as I thought Hermitage is usually more pricy than this. 

@BDude - Nice to see you posting again! 

@BB - Should I receive an email or something? So far nada. 

28579 wine magnet 2012-12-08 10:05:54 Being the recipient of a number of whole frozen wild quail, I am looking for some preparation ideas from anyone 

who has experience with cooking them without drying them out. I'm thinking of pan searing them then draping 

them with pancetta to finish them in the oven, in the hope that the pancetta will help prevent drying of the 

meat. Any thoughts from the gourmands? 

28581 vinmoet 2012-12-08 11:13:06 WM. That looks like a good call. I have had limited experience actually cooking it. I trolled the web to find a 

recipe that I liked before. This one is the closest: 

http://uniqueculinaryadventures.blogspot.com/2007/11/super-moist-quail-for-thanksgiving.html 

Its similar to what we did and it produced moist bird. Your proposal sounds awfully good as well. Good luck. 

28584 A Frayed Knot 2012-12-08 13:56:01 @WM ~ Here is my neighbor Joe's recipe. He passed away several years ago. His passion was quail hunting. He 

raised and trained bird dogs and hunted quail all of his life. While I've never tried this recipe, I've been told that 

it is very good. The cooking time seems long to me, but the recipe is called Papa Joe's Jumbo Quail, so he may 

have used larger varieties of quail than you might usually find. Don't know for sure. 

12 jumbo quail 5 cups rice 

2 10 1/2 oz cans cream of mushroom soup 12 slices bacon 

1 can cream of celery soup olive oil 

1 cup milk black pepper 

Thaw quail and pat dry. Rub olive oil on quail and sprinkle with black pepper. Wrap each quail with a slice of 

bacon and place on a water smoker on low heat until light brown in color. Prepare rice and place in a casserole 

dish. Place quail on rice. Mix soups and milk very well and pour over quail and rice. Bake at 300 for 1 hour. 

28601 McMalbec 2012-12-09 21:27:41 On a bitterly cold night here in the mountains of Colorado, enjoying an '08 Jacuzzi Nero D'Avola with spaghetti in 

front on the fireplace. 

Goooooo Packers. 

28607 mr21cbs 2012-12-10 09:34:38 Down goes Parker! http://www.terroirist.com/2012/12/big-news-from-robert-parker/ 




28610 vinmoet 2012-12-10 15:04:02 cbs, thanks for the post. That really is earthshaking. Am curious to see what actually happens. 

28614 BuffaloLou 2012-12-10 22:00:33 @BB - Rec'd communication from JJB. THANK YOU! 

28615 McMalbec 2012-12-10 23:19:39 The wind died tonight so we headed out for dinner. A mile walk at 7F allowed us to build an appetite! Chose a 

2010 Dona Estate Malbec to go with cedar plank salmon and blackberry elk and we were pleased with the 

combination. 

The professional snowboarders will start sliding in tomorrow for the( Mountain) Dew Tour which is fun to watch. 

28618 mr21cbs 2012-12-11 08:51:55 Any recommendations on QPR and readily available Malbec? I have 1 bottle left in the entire cellar... Thanks! 

28619 vinmoet 2012-12-11 08:58:02 CBS, sorry that the QPR doesn't show up nationally. I'll get back to you if I locate a source. In the meantime, I'll 

search for other QPRs....its hard work out there. 

28620 mr21cbs 2012-12-11 09:00:44 Vinmoet, no apologies! I haven't been able to locate it, which doesn't mean it's unavailable. Thank you for 

sharing! 

28622 vinmoet 2012-12-11 09:28:08 CBS am emailing you revised QPRs. Thanks for your hard work. 

28624 BuffaloLou 2012-12-11 12:19:09 @cbs - I like the Maipe Malbec Reserve (about $13), Bodega Renacer Malbec Punto Final Reserva (about $14), 

and the 2010 Finca Abril Malbec Reserva Single Vineyard Alhambra (about $11). These are all new world style. 

A little different is the 2009 Dominio del Plata Malbec Susana Balbo Signature, about $20. A little lighter and not 

as brooding in style than the aforementioned, and a few dollars more. 

@vinny - I'd like to see your list of Malbec QPRs. 

28625 john o' 2012-12-11 12:26:28 @cbs 

Second Lou's recommendation of the Punto Final. Also, Achavel Ferrer's entry level (around $20) is excellent. 

28626 vinmoet 2012-12-11 12:29:15 Blou: Pretty much drink everything but my passion is in Bordeaux..thus don't feel qualified to toss a Malbec list 

out there. Will try some of the ones that you guys put out there for sure. 

28627 vinmoet 2012-12-11 14:18:47 On the 2009 Château Bellevue la Randee QPR the CT notes are less than glowing. Chalk it up to bottle variation 

and also the need to let this open up. I'd decant for an hour. Do not expect a fruit bomb, just have expectations 

worth of cheap wine. The one bottle that I tasted was respectable thus my willingness to post it here. 

28628 BrunelloBob 2012-12-11 15:10:04 French wine with a chicken on it? 

Bordeaux that wishes it was chianti classico? 

28629 vinmoet 2012-12-11 15:34:11 According to some of the CT tasting notes, it has tasted like Chianti! 

28633 BrunelloBob 2012-12-11 17:23:32 With the price of Brunello these days, does anyone drink Chianti anymore? 




28638 McMalbec 2012-12-12 00:38:28 Another day in CO, another opportunity to enjoy a nice wine. More seasonal winds and temps motivated us to 

spend the afternoon showshoeing. I had brought along a bottle what we purchased on a tasting trip to Los Olivos 

and Solvang a couple of years ago. As soon as we got back to our unit, I popped and poured a 2004 Syrah from 

the Blair Fox Winery in Santa Barbara County. Nice wine-rich nose, dark fruit, blackberry flavor. Warmed us up 

nicely and fared well with fruit, cheese , humus and pita chips. 

CB, when I get back to flatland, I will look at my Malbec notes. 

28648 luddite 2012-12-12 14:44:07 Happy Birthday to our good friend @WiM! Hoping to get with her for dinner next Monday! 

My favorite Malbec QPR is the '07 Viña Alicia Paso De Piedra ($16): 

http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=820924&searchId=03071097%23selected%3DW820924_4_ 

K9f9e29b1deb0ccd8accb83310e555ed3 

28649 BrunelloBob 2012-12-12 15:52:04 LUDDS LIVES! 

28652 BaroloDude 2012-12-12 19:10:07 dearest BrunelloBob... YES i still drink Chianti, but MUCH more selectively (only a few trusted producers with 

reasonable prices). Otherwise, i have indeed shifted to Rosso di Montalcino for most of my pizza wine 

requirements. 

28653 BrunelloBob 2012-12-12 19:14:01 ahhh, BDude, keeping the Faith... 

28657 mr21cbs 2012-12-13 07:10:48 Sir Luddite, welcome back from hibernation! 

~ 

Thanks to All for Malbec recommendations! 

28662 BuffaloLou 2012-12-13 12:12:40 Wondering if the peeps at WL are reading this board... Today's noon-er: Notro Malbec '10, $9.88, FS/12. 

I'm also wondering if the winery send 'Wine and Spirits' a different bottle to taste as the descriptors couldn't be 

more different, primarily red fruit vs black fruit. Given that W&S is saying red fruits and it's a match for 

grilled grouper, I'm guessing that it's on the lighter side. Not what I'm looking for in a Malbec... 

28663 mr21cbs 2012-12-13 13:24:31 BuffaloLou, not sure whether they read our site or not, but I am completely out of Malbec, I read the reviews, as 

well as the post from Ian, decided to try a few. This is not terribly expensive and most likely pretty average 

Malbec, but for the price, I decided to give it a shot (while the FS code works)... 

28664 BrunelloBob 2012-12-13 13:59:51 More intelligent conversation re: the Cindy offer here today than I normally see on her own site... :lol: 




28665 luddite 2012-12-13 16:26:38 I always get in the holiday spirit with the lighting of the TH Christmas tree: 

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=ytff1sunm&p=wine%20bottle%20christmas%20tree&type= 

28669 BuffaloLou 2012-12-13 19:38:04 @cbs - I considered trying a few, too. TNs actually sounded OK, just that I wasn't looking for that profile. That 

said, Ian's post makes it tempting... 

28673 McMalbec 2012-12-14 00:27:34 Popped a 2005 Saviez Zin tonight before dinner. It was good but will not be on my re-buy list. Blackberry and 

alcohol on the nose. Very fruity flavor with an alcoholic finish. Did improve with airtime. A beautiful, sunny day. 

Enjoyed a long soak in a hottub under the stars. 

Have 5 bottles to chose from for our last night in the Rockies tomorrow. Choices, Choices! 

28675 mr21cbs 2012-12-14 08:19:03 More details around Robert Parker deal: http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/530713/robert-parkersingapore-investor-named-as-soo-hoo-khoon-peng 

$15M? Seems a bit low... 

28676 john o' 2012-12-14 09:59:35 @cbs 

He had a reported 50,000 subscribers at $100 a throw. So, gross of $5.0 Million. If you assume between salaries, 

travel expenses, printing, IT, Insurance, legal and acctg costs he had $2.0 Million of expense, that would be a 

pretax of $3.0 Million. At 5 x earnings, I would agree with you. Especially since they plan to add the most 

lucrative revenue source, advertising and shed the cost of printing and mailing. 

The interesting question is how much of Wine Advocate's value is Parker himself and what is it worth when he 

eventually bows out. 

28677 BrunelloBob 2012-12-14 10:12:47 Galloni shoulda bought it 

28678 mr21cbs 2012-12-14 10:41:41 John O', my point exactly. However, as you stated, and I agree, he is the brand, so the value without him should 

be much lower, as possibly reflected in the speculated $15M price tag. 

28680 BuffaloLou 2012-12-14 12:12:57 @McM - Sorry to hear about the 2005 Saviez Zin not pleasing. I have the 03, 04, 05, 06, and 07, in my cellar. I 

really liked the '04 (BL90). It was very nice! The '03 was good (BL87,88,88), but not as good as the '04. You don't 

have to 'worry' about re-buying. When I couldn't find more recent vintages, I called him. He's not making wine 

anymore, he's concentrating on growing grapes. 

Hottub under the stars... Nice! 

28684 BrunelloBob 2012-12-14 16:01:10 real bad day in connecticut 

. 

i'm about done with the second ammendment 




28685 john o' 2012-12-14 16:29:32 @BB 

Amen on both scores, 

28687 A Frayed Knot 2012-12-14 18:12:45 Certainly a sad day. My thoughts and prayers are for the families affected in CT 

.............. 

But Bob, it is that second amendment that allows us to protect ourselves and our children from such horror. 

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither 

inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the 

assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with 

greater confidence than an armed man." 

- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria) 

28690 McMalbec 2012-12-15 00:05:21 Today's events in CT certainly put a damper on the last day of our family Christmas celebration here in CO. A lot 

of snowboarders and fans in town tonight for the Dew Tour so we elected to do a left overs buffet plus bring in 

some great NY style pizza! Enjoyed some Dale's pale ale and 3 bottles of wine: a 201i Malbec from a Denver CO 

vintner-Invinite Monkey Theorem( nice quaffer for pizza), a 2000 Seavy Cab ( a smooth, merlot like flavor) and a 

2006 Coldisole Brunello di Montalcino ( had a nice nose,pleasant medium finish- it was the flavor that perplexed 

me. Seemed very light and without nuance).Heading back to IA tomorrow after dropping one of the kids and his 

family off at the Denver airport. How far we got will depend on the weather we encounter. 

28696 john o' 2012-12-15 06:32:36 @AFK 

I hope you're joking. 



28698 BrunelloBob 2012-12-15 07:56:44 AFK: 

28699 A Frayed Knot 2012-12-15 08:37:12 We are certainly in agreement on that Bob. 


I grew up with guns. There was a gun in our house, guns at my grandparent's house, guns in my uncles' homes. 

I've fired everything from a bb gun to a 30-06, and I can generally hit what I'm aiming at. While I'm bored to tears 

by fishing, I can appreciate a long walk in the woods and you might as well take a gun along in case you run into 

dinner. My point? I'm not a card-carrying, gun-hating liberal. What I am is sick and tired of these mass killings 

and I'm still waiting for some private citizen to pull out a gun and "protect us" from one of these masacres. 

Excuse the rant, things are pretty raw around here right now. It probably shouldn't matter if the victims are from 

Colorodo or Connectict, children or adults, but it does matter. These were our (Connecticut) people and they 

were children, damnit. 

And I hope I didn't come across as a gun toting NRA looney. I'm not and there is only one gun in my house and 

that is for hunting and as a last resort, protecting my family. I don't even own a handgun, but I do respect the 

right of law abiding citizens to own and carry them. 

I think everyone in this country is sick of the senseless loss of life that seems to be happening on a regular basis. 

God bless you Bob 

28700 BrunelloBob 2012-12-15 08:53:05 Back at you AFK, and God bless the families in Newtown, CT. 

28706 louas 2012-12-15 17:13:29 Arizona wins 49-48! A great way to get my mind away from Friday's tragedy. 

Now if AZ will knock off Florida tonight in hoops it will have been a very good sports saturday. 

28708 BaroloDude 2012-12-15 19:31:54 for those of you who , like me, missed out on the Garagiste Aldo Conterno deal ... k&L has one last round of 

great prices pre-arrival. 

07 regular Barolo, 07 Cicala, and more 05 regular bottling and 05 Cicala. they also have some huge 3L and 5L 

and magnum bottlings of Gran Bussia.... so get there and grab some. even the regular bottling for 39.99 is 

criminally cheap and the best barolo deal i have ever seen. the 07 is going to be great in 5-10yrs... i have had 

the 05 and its actually pretty great already... the cicala looks to be a step up from the regular bottling (if you 

believe the scores... and an increase of $15-20 a bottle depending on vintage) 

Hope you grab some. 




28709 luddite 2012-12-15 23:56:07 K&L doesn't ship to either my SC or VA address. Woodland Hills does and the prices are similar. Anyone 

ever dealt with them? 

http://www.whwc.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/WHWC-WHWC-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewSearch- 

CategorySearch?CategoryName=root-Futures%2FPre-arrivals-Vintage-Conterno 

28711 wine magnet 2012-12-16 01:07:20 louas: Nice AZ comeback against our Gators tonight. I couldn't believe how FL just fell apart in the last minute or 

so, but AZ showed tremendous determination and the best team (tonight) won! We will be seeing both of these 

teams a lot come March. 

luddite: on K&L's website order page, it appears as though they don't ship to FL, but if I place an order by 

phone, it is OK and they ship here. I think it has something to do with them not being able to legally do internet 

orders. 

28723 David T 2012-12-16 16:43:35 @ludds I have not personally but have heard good things 

28724 McMalbec 2012-12-16 18:30:33 @BD-thanks for the tip but I was too late for the '07s. Did get a 06 "regular" to add to my 01 Granbussia. 

28726 TonyO 2012-12-16 20:46:55 Spent the weekend with a house full of family because that is what truly matters...the reminders of just how 

fleeting the journey we call life can be are becoming all too severe and quite frankly, beyond 

comprehension...........may the good in your lives be abundant and may the challenges be bearable and met with 

the support of friends and family....tomorrow is another day, another chance, and another opportunity to restore 

faith and to act in a manner that gives hope to someone whose needs are far greater than our own......do what 

your soul tells you is the right thing to do and the rewards will be immense........... 

28734 vinmoet 2012-12-17 23:17:30 cbs: Any chance we can change the QPR? Thanks for all of your work around here. 

28735 BuffaloLou 2012-12-17 23:43:24 Speaking of QPRs, anyone have any QPRs from Toro, Spain, they can recommend? That is, beyond, SRT, Bodegas 

y Viñedos Maurodos Toro Prima, GEM and it's sister wine, Elías Mora Toro Daniel, Bodega Numanthia Termes 

Toro Termes, and Abelis Carthago Toro Lui Selection. 

28739 BuffaloLou 2012-12-18 10:45:46 Right now on Woot: Atlas Peak DOUBLE MAGs (3L), $199, and your choice of vineyard: Howell Mtn, Atlas Peak 

Mtn, Spring Mtn, or Mount Veeder. 

28740 luddite 2012-12-18 14:11:11 @BLou: You've ruled out all the ones I've tried, but this might be worth a shot: 

28741 McMalbec 2012-12-18 16:47:16 @Blou- thanks! Howell Mtn is gone. 

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/fmly+eguren+teso+la+monja+romanisco+toro+castilla+y+leon+spain/2010/- 

/-/x?Xlist_format=&Xbottle_size=all&Xprice_set=CUR&Xprice_min=&Xprice_max= 



28743 Julius 2012-12-18 16:53:22 From an email from Robert Parker: 


Similar to what we successfully did in 2001 when we launched eRobertParker.com, we’re once again bringing in 

investors to help us provide you with even more of the content you’ve been requesting. 

To clarify a few things circulating in the news cycle: 

■ The print edition of The Wine Advocate will continue to publish. We are simply looking to add a PDF version to 

our subscriber offerings electronically. 

■ Advertising – The Wine Advocate will never accept advertising – not in print or PDF. We are, however, 

considering non-wine related advertising for the bulletin board and parts of eRobertParker.com. 

■ Headquarters – Our company headquarters remains in Monkton, MD. We are opening a second office in 

Singapore to support some of our business and editorial operations. 

■ Our Talented Writing Team – We are working with them now to sign them on as full-time employees, 

transitioning from freelance status. 

And on a personal note, I am not “stepping down” – just delegating what has been a cumbersome part of my job: 

the copy editing, proofing and other tasks associated with producing the journal. There is no more qualified 

person than Lisa Perrotti-Brown to take on this task. I continue to run the company as Chairman of the Board and 

will continue doing what I love in reviewing the great wines of Bordeaux, the Rhone and California verticals. 

28744 wine magnet 2012-12-18 19:45:10 Did anyone but me buy the 1998 ROS DI ROL from garagiste back in early Nov? Mine arrived today, and based 

upon Jon Rimmerman's enticing offer back in Nov, I couldn't resist opening a bottle. Wow, double wow! This is 

the best stand-in for an old world Bordeaux I have ever enjoyed. I cannot imagine how it might improve with 

several weeks rest in the cellar. I had a friend (former wholesale wine rep) over to taste it an he immediately 

declared that it was "one fine older Bordeaux". He and I can't believe it is Italian. 

28745 john o' 2012-12-18 20:31:22 staying w/ garagiste. Mystery wine 60 up. Someone on WineBerserkers speculated it was 2007 Buty Rediviva. I 

have the 2006 and am in love with it. Based on that alone, I bought a case. 

28746 luddite 2012-12-18 21:21:44 @wm: No :( but I did buy the '99 that was offered at the end of November. Hope it's just as good! 




28747 jovino 2012-12-18 21:28:05 For a garagiste hat trick, my 98 Ros di Rol shipped yesterday, I bought the '99 as well. Thank you for the good 

news WM. I tried to buy six of MW #60 half an hour ago. I made the mistake of figuring out the mystery first 

and I feel a shut out coming on. 

Getting off the garagiste thread, did anyone else get the Peira from lastbottle this weekend? I don't think I've 

ever seen better press for a wine selling under $100 on a flash site. I haven't even tried it yet and I wish I bought 

more. 

28748 vinmoet 2012-12-18 22:19:30 Empire has a number of modestly priced highly rated French wines in the 12 ship for free category. You can mix 

and match. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with these so you're on your own but it looks like a cost effective tour to 

me. There's a Chinon, '09 and '10 Bordeaux, Rhone and so on. 

28749 BuffaloLou 2012-12-18 22:25:57 @ludds - LOL! We all have the same sources! Thanks for the rec on the wine. I'll have to see where it's available. 

28750 luddite 2012-12-18 22:35:07 Haven't even seen the Garagiste Mystery Wine #60 email offer so I guess I'm on a V(erizon) IWBM :( 

@BLou: Not the lowest price, but a previous offer on W4W that's still available: 

http://www.wiredforwine.com/featured-wine/bodegas-teso-la-monja-romanico-2010 

28752 BuffaloLou 2012-12-19 11:27:21 @ludds - Thank you! It works out to slightly better than FS and no tax for me. It won't arrive until January (my 

scheduling due to Christmas and New Years) but I'll post some TNs once it settles down in 2014. (jk) 

28754 BuffaloLou 2012-12-19 11:31:42 Now that 2012 is coming to a close, what was your 2012 QPRotY? 

I'd have to say the 2005 Wayne Gretzky No. 99 Cab Sauvignon for $10 is certainly in the running. Many other 

good wines, but most were in the $15-$20 range. 

28755 luddite 2012-12-19 13:20:30 @BLou: My vote goes to the '11 Altovinum Evodia Old Vines Garnacha Calatayud ($8) (IWC-JR 90): 

http://www.marketviewliquor.com/product/evodia-old-vine-garnacha-wine-750ml.html# 

28756 jovino 2012-12-19 15:00:12 @B-Lou - I'm not sure on the rules of QPR. Does it have to be readily available or can it be bought on a flash 

sale? Assuming a hybrid, I'd have to say the Jade Mountain Syrah Paras Vineyard. It was only at a flash site. But 

lastbottle had three vintages and offered them enough times that you could load up. I bought the '02 ($16), the 

'04 ($18) and the '97 ($25). A little over two cases bought in the last 12 months and we're down to three bottles. 

It has been our absolute go to for a great wine that doesn't need four hours to open up. Behind the jade, I 

would put the '97 Ardente Cab at $69/3 pack and the Sempre Vive Cream Label Cab at $18. If I have to throw in 

a white, it would be the Trevor Jones unoaked chardonay '08 for $5/375ml. Perfect size for cooking, and a 

nothing to appologize for white for when you've got one guest (read friend of wife) who doesn't drink red. 




28757 BaroloDude 2012-12-19 16:09:50 Fascinating story with more details on the Soldera vandalism/breakin in Montalcino. 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/19/vineyard-vandal-confesses.html 

Classic italian drama. SOunds like a movie script... 

"One by one, he opened the spigots and the 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 vintages gushed onto the 

floor and down the drain. Police found forensic evidence at the scene and a pair of wine-soaked pants in Di 

Grisi’s house. “He left the lesser wines and went straight to the most valuable,” Aglieco said. “He knew exactly 

what damage he was causing.” 

Soldera was insured, but because of the strict rules on aging wine, it will be at least 2018 before any of his special 

Brunello will be back on the market. In the meantime, the damage to Montalcino’s reputation has left a stain. In 

fact, the news reports in the days after the destruction of Soldera’s wine painted a picture of a dysfunctional 

little village where some of Italy’s greatest winemakers lived in disharmony, and more importantly, where it was 

plausible that someone could do something so unthinkable as destroy six vintages of wine. “The light shown on 

this little village exposed an ugly side of life,” said Ziliani. “But it’s the real truth and that’s what it is really like in 

28758 john o' 2012-12-19 16:34:18 My bought in 2012 and consumed in 2012 QPR’s 

Runners-up (in no particular order): 

2006 Buty Rediviva Phinny Hill Vinyd. SRP $50, My price $15 (After Lot 18 credits), My score:94 

The aforementioned Jade Mountain Syrah’s (Last Bottle) 

2006 Ramey Larkmead Cabernet (Garagiste Mystery Wine) SRP: $70, my price $31 My score: 93 

2003 Bremer Family Claret (WTSO) SRP $50 or so, My price $25 My score 92 

And the winner is (eat your heart out, Lou): 

2001 Quixote Petite Sirah Panza (Woot) SRP: $40 or so, My price $25. My score: 94 

28759 BuffaloLou 2012-12-19 16:45:30 @jovino - no 'rules', just what you feel is your QPRofY. Just opening it up for discussion. 

@john o - LOL! I'm pleased the '01 worked out well for you! I should have jumped on that offer, only didn't 

worried that it might be a little long in the tooth. That said, I should have known better. PS does well with age. I 

have the same Buty. It was terrific! I have more gathering some dust for now... Nice deal on the Ramey! 




28762 jovino 2012-12-19 21:29:17 @john o' - nice call on the Bremmer (I think the SRP was even higher), I am surprised that you had such luck with 

the '01 Panza PS. I picked up the '02 and was pretty unimpressed with the first one. I have six of the Rameys 

sitting in the garagiste warehouse, so that is good to know. Finally, my '98 Ros di Rol arrived today, if that is half 

as good as WM's notes indicate (and I get around to opening one in '12), that will be tough to beat at $14. On 

another garagiste note, I did get a fill on my six lot of the Buty. I hopt it lives up to you billing John. It should, we 

clearly have very similar taste. 

@B-Dude - that is quite a story. What is wrong with people? 

28763 wine magnet 2012-12-19 21:56:09 @Jovino: Tonight I was at a party to which I brought another ’98 Ros di Rol. I bagged it, along with a '96 Leoville 

Barton from my cellar as a comparison. Alas, the Ros di Rol seemed corked,although the cork was in perfect 

shape. I opened another and the cork was wet almost to the top, but the wine was perfect, as it was on Tuesday. 

Interesting fact, the two corks were different:one was printed horizontally and one vertically, but both came in 

the same shipment. Nevertheless, even if half of these are corked, $28/bottle for the good ones is a gift from the 

gods. Most people tonight liked the ’98 Ros di Rol more than my '96 Leoville Barton, for which I spent a LOT 

more $$. 

28765 BuffaloLou 2012-12-19 22:54:38 @jovino - You make me disappointed I didn't try the Jade Mountain Syrah. :( 

28766 louas 2012-12-19 23:14:22 RE: QPR of the year. 

White: +1 to Jovino for Trevor Jones. 

Red: Requires some thought. However, recent Garagiste bottles of 7 and 8 dollar Washington syrah and red 

blend are for sure in the running. 

28767 BuffaloLou 2012-12-19 23:18:43 Some nice prices on some kickin' vintage Port from JJB (Private Client offer): 

Warre Vintage Port Collection 

1970 Warre's - $149.99 

1983 Warre's - $69.99 

1985 Warre's - $69.99 

1994 Warre's - $69.99 

2000 Warre's - $37.91 

2003 Warre's - $44.83 

2007 Warre's - $46.81 

'70, '85, and '94 are looking pretty tempting! Then again, I am a 'typical' port buyer... we buy but never drink... I 

need to fix that problem! 

28768 mr21cbs 2012-12-20 07:36:49 There will be no 2012 Chateau d'Yquem: http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/47791 



28769 TonyO 2012-12-20 08:32:29 QPR of the Year: 

White: Mirth Chardonnay 

Red: Esser Cabernet Sav. 


Both are around $10 and have wide appeal, taste great, and are varietally correct............ 

28770 jovino 2012-12-20 09:09:24 @B-Lou - We opened our second to last '97 JM Syrah last night in honor of my wife's contribution to my 

daughter's 4th birthday (appartently not enough recognition, if her comment as I walked out the door this 

morning is to be taken at face value, I've got a lot riding on x-mas this year). I am sad to report that the fruit was 

gone. I say that as a preface to the heads up that lastbottle is having a marathon tomorrow and jade mountain 

may make a last hurrah. Obviously, they have my buy rating, but I would be cautious with the '97, especially 

since they have the single block designation and the higher tarrif to match. Given that I've only had one bottle 

past its peak, I would still go for the '97 in large format. 

@WM - I must say I was a little nervous that the fill on the Ros di Rol were all base of neck, even though I know 

that is considered very good for a wine of that age. I agree that it will take more than a couple of flawed bottles 

to kill this deal. 

28772 jovino 2012-12-20 09:34:09 Please except my apologies in advance for bringing the forum back to a place it has moved on from (even if many 

of us have not) and also let me take a chance to thank all of you who've been around all this time here and on 

the old cindy forum. I would never have seen myself as a chat room guy, in fact, I just got lectured for not having 

updated my linked in profile since I set it up in '07. The wine knowledge and opinion has been the reason I come 

around, but there is real friendship here, and while I'm sad that I don't get to do much actual drinking with you 

all, there is something nice about the semi anonymity. After all of that I just need to say that yesterday was my 

daughter's birthday. Unfortunately, it will now always be the day that our friend buried her niece. She was 

already connected to Anna because she threw her baby shower. She is not only caring for her brother and sister 

in law, but she is dealing with her own son who is a kindergartener at Sandy Hook. I only knew Caroline and her 

parents from birthday parties, but this still feels very close. This also feels personal because my own brother in 

law, an incredibly sweet caring person, is mentally disabled and without question a danger to himself and others. 

My wife and her mother have been fighting for years to help him have a place in the world, all the while knowing 

that would not be without risk to those around him. I worked at ground zero. I stood under the towers and 

watched them burn. I saw the faces of the firemen rushing in as so many others rushed out. Five days removed I 




28775 john o' 2012-12-20 09:44:19 @jovino 

Thanks for sharing. Puts life in perspective. 

Excellent Op-Ed piece in today's NY Times on the NRA from a former Bush the Younger official. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/the-nra-protectionracket.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121220 

28776 vinmoet 2012-12-20 10:00:21 cbs: Yep. Pretty tough year in Sauternes. The Bordeaux dry whites are actually pretty good but conditions just 

did not allow for the sweet wine. 

28778 luddite 2012-12-20 15:26:59 Buying wines at Last Bottle like there's no tomorrow :lol: 

28779 jovino 2012-12-20 15:34:22 I don't get it. If there's no tomorrow, why are we buying wine that won't be delivered until next year? 

28780 luddite 2012-12-20 15:52:04 Credit card won't be due till January either! 

28781 hinrgman 2012-12-20 16:10:23 Try this link for last bottle. http://vinelog.com/deals 

28783 BuffaloLou 2012-12-20 21:19:52 @ludds - don't know how you're doing it. I tried several times and got blanked every time during check out! 

28784 BuffaloLou 2012-12-20 22:03:02 Geez, deals were flying by in seconds this afternoon, now we have a PN that won't go away! 56 minutes so far! 

28787 luddite 2012-12-20 23:47:40 @BLou: Well I never change the quantity from 1 as by the time you try the offer is usually gone. Picked up 23 

different bottles so far... 

28788 wine magnet 2012-12-21 02:03:59 Wow! Last Bottle selections are going fast at 2AM. Kept refreshing screen until selection changed to '95 Karl 

Lawrence cab for $39, tried to order just one, but when I submitted for confirmation, a new selection was up. I 

missed a ton because of working too much on Thursday day/evening. Only one purchase so far. 

28789 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 04:51:27 Almost 5AM EST and we're still here... Wine cellar is safe! 

28790 wine magnet 2012-12-21 06:34:52 And...5:30AM and no new wines since 2:20AM in the lastbottle.com "end of the world sale". I'm guessing that it 

is over. 

28791 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 06:54:04 @WM - "Night night time for Last Bottle. More to come tomorrow. If we are around!!!!" 

I'm never trusting the Mayan's again... 

28794 luddite 2012-12-21 10:07:26 The Last Bottle MMM is back on! 

28795 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 13:27:01 Woo Hoo! Finally got through! The Dunn '09 Cab Sauv! 

28796 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 13:47:54 The "ludds-technique" is working very well! :D 

Only thing is, no time to check into the details/TNs. 




28797 jovino 2012-12-21 14:16:21 I also have found myself going for one lots on this sale, both because it is easier, but there have been a great 

many wines that I'd like to try, but wouldn't do in size at the discount offered. But one bottle with free shipping 

makes so many of these great deals on education value alone. It will definitely tax my crappy inventory system 

though (if you can call vague grouping and memory a system). 

I did snag six trevor jones chards, and most importantly, 12 '03 Jade Mountain Paras Syrah, which was 

supposedly the whole reason I've been watching, so I should probably shut down if I don't want to ruin Chistmas 

with homework. WM, I need you to lend me a little of your discipline. 

28798 jovino 2012-12-21 14:34:08 I'm up to 57 bottles on 18 purchases. Just went for 4 of the Neiman (seemed like enough of a discount to go up 

from one). If you take out two order of splits and the case of JM, I'm averaging two bottles per order. I think I 

can hold off on the Margaux. Vaguely thinking about getting it for my boss, but I think he'd rather buy one for 

me if I'd just stop shopping for wine at work. 

28799 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 14:39:13 '96 Margaux ($495, RP99) has been up a while... 

28800 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 14:41:39 Garagiste: 2007 Le Macchiole Messorio - $169.80 (WA96) !! 

28803 wine magnet 2012-12-21 18:13:33 jovino: My "disicpline"? Surely you jest. My wife told the FedEx driver today that she is investigating an 

"intervention" for my wine buying. Today, I was able to stay around the office, and even though I missed a 

number of offers because they disappeared in a minute or two, I still made around 10 purchases, with 6 bottles 

being the highest volume of any wine. Most were 2 and some were only one, which as you pointed out, is a 

great opportunity to try some wines at a fair price with FS. 

28804 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 18:20:37 @jovino - Sadly, I missed the Jade Mtn Syrah. I was hoping to pick up at least one. 57?! You are my hero! :) 

@WM - LOL! 

28805 louas 2012-12-21 19:37:51 Upon further review my red qpr oty is the 2004 Ondarre. Hard to beat for $11-$12. 

haven't been too successful on Last Bottle. 

@Blou: Mess kit and spork arrived St. Louis today. One curious Boy Scout is buzzed wondering what id in the 

box! 

Thanks for your assistance. VERY much appreciated. 

Stay warm y'all. I'm going outside to grill some shrimp.!! 8-) 

28806 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 19:43:00 @louas: Good to hear! I hope he likes it. More importantly, I hope he enjoys using it! There will be a lot of 

camping gear given this Christmas on the BLou household, too! 

Nice choice for the QPRofY! 




28808 wine magnet 2012-12-21 20:28:25 BLou: I'm not far behind Jovino, w/51 btls in 11 orders. I may have to open another bottle so I might fall asleep 

and miss more opportunities to hoard wine. 

28809 jovino 2012-12-21 21:03:10 In appreciation for WM making me feel better, I will confess that I am up to 67 bottles on 24 purchases. I don't 

know what kind of wine tasting I'm planning, but it should be fun. If wine came to my house, I'd be done. I really 

am curious what kind of data there is on storing wine for 1-2 years in a constant 70-74 temp band. The little 

research I've read says that humidity doesn't matter much once it has been bottled. 

But I digress from my confession. It is 8 PM and I am still at work because I have to get a project done today and 

I've blown way too much time looking at wine. I missed dinner with my children on the first night of Christmas 

vacation. Am I back in college?!? The missing dinner part, not the children part. I am probably going to be here 

until 12 to make a mythical 12/21 deadliine that no one cares about because when this didn't go out by close of 

business it was already late. This is sad. I'm sorry you all had to see this. 

28810 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 21:20:52 @jovino - high temps aren't good, but IIRC, neither is temp fluctuation. If you're temps are consistently at 70-74, 

it's better than going up and down, but a lower temp would be better (wine ages faster with increased temp; 

increased above 55F.) That said, a year or two won't be an issue IMO. I used to store my wine at basement 

temp (66-70F) here for several years with no problem. It's the long term storage (say 6-8+ years) where it 

becomes a problem. 

@jovino & WM - you guys have a wine buying problem! ;) ;) ;) 

28811 jovino 2012-12-21 21:47:26 I do have a problem. At least those magnums of CdP will be around for a very long time. I actually don't think 

they'll sell out tonight if they leave them up. Only ten to go, but it looks like one has sold in the last 40 minutes. I 

take that back, one more gone. Anyone for 9 magnums? Magna? 

28812 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 21:57:57 @jovino - I was going to ask 'how can you tell how many sold?', but I figured it out. Good thinking on your part! I 

never thought to check it! 

28813 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 22:03:29 Enough already... Next! 

28814 jovino 2012-12-21 22:04:02 It took me a while. I kept wondering why there stupid server was putting three bottles in my cart when I entered 

six, then the light bulb, "oh, you're trying to held me buy wine." 

28815 jovino 2012-12-21 22:05:03 Wow, down to the last bottle. Who wants to buy one magnum at only $3 less than double best retail for a 750? 

28816 jovino 2012-12-21 22:07:39 Someone had a brilliant idea on wineberserkers last night. Since there's no $25 for buying the last bottle (which 

I've never won anyway), whoever buys the last bottle should get a one minute head start on the next offer. I 

think that would sell wine. 

28817 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 22:10:56 Holy @#$%! 

28819 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 22:39:54 Happy about my 2006 Robert Foley Petite Sirah Muscle Man purchase! 




28820 jovino 2012-12-21 22:40:50 Me too, got two of those. That was pretty hilarious when after an hour they popped out another $500 100 point 

wine. 

28821 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 22:56:24 @jovino - do you have any thoughts about the 16 by 20 cab? Seems to have good CT reviews. 

28822 wine magnet 2012-12-21 23:12:15 BLou: If it makes you feel any better about trying the 16 x 20, I based my decision solely on the CT reviews, so I 

am in for one. Where can you buy/try wines with which you are not familiar and have such favorable terms? 

28823 jovino 2012-12-21 23:23:12 I passed on the 16 x 20. CT almost had me, but the small discount, the relatively few notes written by the 

reviewers, and the large number of < $30 big cabs let me pass. I think buying one had to have been a good 

play, certainly a better QPR than this Carter. 

28824 jovino 2012-12-21 23:25:24 Besides, I would trade 2 Foley PS for three sixteen by twenty all day long. 

28825 jovino 2012-12-21 23:25:59 Wow, I'm tired, that's backwards. I get the Foley and give away the 16 X 20 

28826 jovino 2012-12-21 23:28:18 Now don't make me pronounce that white rhone I just bought two of. The '06 went for $6 in about a minute. 

28827 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 23:31:36 @WM - I don't need an enabler, thank you. ;) 

@jovino - LOL! Buying wine all day is a tough job (but somebody's got to do it!) 

28828 jovino 2012-12-21 23:33:38 Well I do need to pipe in that the wine makers at La Peira are heading for rock star status. That is not a throw 

away wine. I just bought 8 of their reds last week at $70 each. 

28829 wine magnet 2012-12-21 23:38:18 Retro: Discussion of several days ago regarding the 1998 Azienda Agricola Sant'Elena Ros Di Rol (and '99) from 

Garagiste. I have opened 3 of the '98, 2 of which were perfect examples of aged Bordeaux. We had an informal 

party for one of our wine tasting group members who was back in town for 2 days, so I paired one of these with 

a '96 Leoville Barton, both of which were in bags. Almost everyone liked the Ros Di Rol best (at a fraction of the 

Leoville price). I subsequently wrote Nicki at garagiste to see if she might find more of the '98 or '99, and 

mentioned that one of my 3 had been corked. She responded yesterday that she had found another case for me, 

and today issued a credit for my corked bottle. Terrific folks at garagiste!! 




28830 jovino 2012-12-21 23:43:51 Just to pile on the La Peira and to give you the info you need way too late here's a nice review of their '05 red 

(not bad for a first vintage), also some trivia, the owner composed the music that was the theme of the matrix. 

“The flagship wine from this new venture is easily going to be the next great global cult wine. Think Clos Erasmus 

or Masseto; that’s the level of quality that this wine brings! Dense, rich and explosive, with layer after layer of 

flavor and complexity. Ripe, but never over the top, this stunning effort should easily last 25 to 30 years. Expect 

ENORMOUS ratings for this wine. Syrah with a small amount of Grenache Noir. This wine just took my breathe 

away, though it is a little more over the top then most wines I score this high, to me this is the perfect example of 

a wine that knows how to handle it’s huge, massive fruit and balance it with some of the most obvious structure I 

have seen in a wine. The pencil shavings in the mid-palate stood out and the ripe strawberry fruit that dominates 

the back end is world class!” 99 Points – Gary Vaynerchuk 

28831 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 23:43:54 With the exception of German Riesling (and some really good knock-offs like some from WA state and N-o-t-L), 

and an occasional Gewurtz, I just can't get into whites... 

28832 jovino 2012-12-21 23:46:33 I don't drink much white either, but now that I'm in TX, I drink a bit more. Here's the one I let a comment about 

it being over the hill deter me from paying $6 for. That has to be a record for the lowest price ever paid for a GV 

95 pointer. 

Deusyls de La Pèira 2006 

95 Points – Gary Vaynerchuk 

“This brilliant white has more in common with top notch white Hermitage than anything else. Viscous, oily, rich 

and dense (almost tannic like a red), with waxy fruit flavors and jam packed with fresh honey. This should age 

nicely for 10 to 15 years. 65% Viognier and 35% Roussanne.This is exactly why I feel white wines are 

unappreciated in the world today and this wine should be drank by anyone who thinks whites don’t match up to 

reds.” 

28833 BuffaloLou 2012-12-21 23:52:15 Based on that review, had I read it, I would have spent the $6 to try it. Alas, I didn't see it before... 

28838 luddite 2012-12-22 11:38:48 Perfect wine for the Last Bottle MMM: '08 World's End Cabernet Sauvignon Crossfire 

Too bad it's priced $20 higher than our local Total Wine 

28839 jovino 2012-12-22 14:45:01 La peira Deusyls '06 is back, $16, not $6 this time. 

28841 john o' 2012-12-22 14:52:29 Thought the La peira Deusyls ’06 was worth a whirl at $16. Got shut out in the time it took to change the 

quantity to 2. 




28842 BuffaloLou 2012-12-22 15:44:57 Thought I'd share this wonderful martini recipe. With the holidays here, and snow on the ground, it's a perfect 

sipper! It's from a restaurant in my home town, Tantalus. 

Eggnog-chocolate martini: 

2 parts 3-Olive Chocolate vodka 

1 part 3-Olive Cherry vodka 

1 part Kahlua 

1 part eggnog + extra for rim 

dash nutmeg 

Wet rim of martini glass with eggnog. Dip rim in cocoa powder. 

Mix all ingredients above in martini shaker. Add ice. Shake. Pour in martini glasses dusted with cocoa. 

Note: Replace the word "part" with "shot" and you will have enough for two - three martinis. 

28844 louas 2012-12-22 17:05:30 Getting ready for holiday feast tonight featuring NY strip roast on weber grill 72 degrees and sunny here today. 

almost feeling guilty. almost. 

Also featuring an Italian slug fest: 2003 Oriel Etereo Barolo, 07 Fanti Brunello, 07 Cantina del Pino 150th 

anniversary Barbaresco. Just opened them and on the pnp...these are big boys. They are sitting in decanters 

now. more news later. 

28845 john o' 2012-12-22 20:59:24 @Louas 

recently had the 2003 Oriel Etereo Barolo. Very nice wine and 1 hell of a QPR. 

28846 BURGHen Boy 2012-12-22 21:00:46 @louas 

Let me know what you think of the drinking window on the Cantina del Pino 

I picked up a few from garagiste 

Thanks 

28847 BuffaloLou 2012-12-22 21:59:58 Another candidate for QPRotY: Not a purchase this year, but I've been consuming it this year: '06 Havens Syrah - 

Still kickin' a$$! 

28848 BuffaloLou 2012-12-22 22:28:48 Looks like we could be sitting on the Priorat offer for quite a while; they have at least 36 bottles, and it hasn't 

changed since it opened. :( 




28849 louas 2012-12-22 23:01:13 OK here are my overserved thoughts regarding Italian Slug Fest. My favorite was (surprisingly) the Cantina 

Barbaresco. This was great, teeth coating tannins with a hour or two decant. I think it has the structure to last a 

good long time. 

The Barolo was second . most fruit forward. again big tannins. really well balanced. 

As for the Fanti Brunello, I would say the lightweight of the trio. Delicious but lacking the long finish of the other 

two. 

Epic meal topped off with a decadent Nutella cheesecake courtesy of Nigella. 

28854 BuffaloLou 2012-12-23 20:48:04 Tonight: braised short ribs with 2004 Piancornello Brunello di Montalcino. Fantastic pairing! 

28856 BuffaloLou 2012-12-23 22:22:52 The deals on the Last Bottle Mayan Madness seem to be crawling along since last night. While I welcome the 

opportunity to get in on a deal, this is a tad s-l-o-o-o-o-w... 

28857 McMalbec 2012-12-23 23:34:29 Is the Wine Hoarder site down? 

28859 BuffaloLou 2012-12-24 00:44:24 @McM - if you're talking about LBW, I don't think so, although it's been stuck with 3 bottles left of the CdP for a 

while now. 

28864 BuffaloLou 2012-12-24 11:09:09 For all those that celebrate, I wish you all a Blessed and Merry Christmas! (We start early in the BLou house!) I 

hope you get to spend time with family and friends. Christmas is "that day", the day to pop "that" bottle you've 

been stashing. Peace and Love. 

28867 louas 2012-12-24 15:52:47 Hey BLou! Back at ya my friend. Just got back from a nice lunch and cappucino with the commissioner and we 

are now "in the basement" 

tonight and tomorrow with fam. 

Wishing you and all the inmates a very merry and safe Christmas. 

FWIW: San Roman is on tomorrow's agenda. 

28868 Mrpat56 2012-12-24 16:49:05 Lurker Mrpat56 wishing all trembling hills members a happy safe and peaceful holiday. Its a time for the best 

"cheer" 

28869 McMalbec 2012-12-24 17:31:42 Back to B'lou and all the Inmates Happy Holidays to you and yours! 

@ B'Lou: No, referring to the Wine Hoarder website. Last deal posted on 12/15. 

28870 luddite 2012-12-24 19:11:12 Our daughter's here! '05 Chateau Reignac with dinner. It's all good. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to 

inmates everywhere! 

28873 David T 2012-12-24 21:47:47 Peace and blessings to all those who visit this site... and may Santa bring ya lots of good booze ;) 

28874 Scott W 2012-12-24 23:25:06 Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all...drink well! 




28877 jovino 2012-12-25 01:41:05 For anyone who wants one more QPR in 2012, invino has the Sempre Vive old vine Cab 2005 marked down from 

$50 to $20. That's an even better discount if you factor in that they listed the '02, '03, and '04 for $75 before the 

market tanked. I'm a little concerned that I don't see the '05 on the company website, but they aren't very tech 

savy. I have never had a bad wine from those folks. The '97 was amazing and the '02 and '03 were first rate 

(haven't tried the '04 yet, but I have three). In fact, I had the '03 cream label (second label, not as good as the 

blue, which this is) a couple of weeks ago and it put the ardente that we've been enjoying to shame. Invino is 

also giving 10% back in credits for wine bought today and tomorrow. If you don't already belong, here's a link to 

get me a credit, but this is about as highly as I can recommend a wine I haven't tried. 

https://www.invino.com/signup/?invite=b7c1cfac395f884cf9d8bcc38d9e869dddd03547 

Well we did our traditional Italian 7 fishes with friends last night so we could enjoy Christmas eve with the kids, 

but after 7 bottles among four adults, my wife couldn't get out of bed until 4 and then she still wasn't much use. 

Oh well it was fun. Just wanted to check in. Merry Christmas all! Back to doll house construction for me (should 

28878 John O' 2012-12-25 06:58:19 Merry Christmas to one and all. Last night's traditional English Prime Rib dinner featured: 

1) to start, Champagne cocktails. 2/3 sparkling, 1/3 ice wine from Hildebrand in the Niagara on the Lakes area - 

super bueno 

2) 1999 Mayacamas Chardonnay from Magnum. Sad - like watching an aged beauty queen who still thinks she's 

got it, when she doesn't. 

3) with dinner, 1997 Ardente Cab. 1.5 hour decant and it was in a great place. 

4) 2004 Robert Mondavi Oakville Cab. A gorgeous wine that gets better every Christmas. Unfortunately, it was 

the last one I had. 

28879 John O' 2012-12-25 07:14:42 @Jovino 

Thanks for the reccomendation. I took a flyer on 4. ($10 flat shipping was nice). 

28884 BrunelloBob 2012-12-25 10:29:38 SCORE! 

https://www.cellartracker.com/classic/wine.asp?iWine=232715 

MERRY CHRISTMAS Everyone! 

28885 BuffaloLou 2012-12-25 12:56:14 @jovino - Thanks for the rec on the Sempre Vive! Sounds like a nice deal! 




28887 wine magnet 2012-12-25 14:13:26 Just when I thought my only concern was being tempted by LBW's Mayan Madness offerings, Jovino comes along 

with the Invino offering of Sempre Vive...for which I caved for four. I'm afraid to open any wine sites 

today/tomorrow. 

In an effort to reduce my cellar and add some levity to Christmas morning, I put 12 bottles in bags in a wine 

shipper with a card to my son/daughter-in-law, instructing them to pick only six randomly. They missed the '86 

Clerc-Milon, and the '91 -'92 Leoville las Cases, but still scored some decent wines, and I made room for six of the 

many bottles soon to arrive here. 

28888 Brooks 2012-12-25 14:29:15 And so this is Christmas, I hope you have fun, The near and the dear one, The old and the young 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Vfp48laS8 

Best to all.....safe travels....hold fast to that which is good 

28889 BuffaloLou 2012-12-25 14:35:35 @wm - Nice! Will you adopt me next year? 

@Brooks - as always, well said. 

28892 BrunelloBob 2012-12-25 20:17:13 Who's Brooks? :lol: 

(love ya, man, but you and Johnny C need to come around more often... BlueBack Sqaure mises ya... And 

whatevever happened to Connwino??? 

28895 BuffaloLou 2012-12-25 21:52:20 Tonight: Dinner with Dad. Popped some killer bottles: 

'82 Dom Perignon Rose' 

'95 Far Niente Cab Sauv 

Both were rockin' it! The Dom was before dinner, the Far Niente was with beef tenderloin. 

Winding down after a couple of busy days. Fortunately I have the day off tomorrow, so I'm going to relax... 

28898 louas 2012-12-25 23:31:00 08 c.donatielle pn 

05 Jordan cs alexander valley 

08 san roman toro 

beef tenderloin. 

san roman solid but the Jordan was sublime. 

9:35 tee time tomorrow. Tough assignment, I know. 




28901 BuffaloLou 2012-12-26 10:37:59 @louas - Jordan was one of my fav Cali Cab for years. It always had the right amount of fruit w/o being OTT, and 

nicely balanced. Haven't had one in a while; nice to hear they still know what they're doing over there! 

28902 jovino 2012-12-26 12:09:17 I'm excited that we may have some new converts to the Sempre Vive club. Same wine maker as Levendi if that 

helps. I will say their wines are late bloomers, the '03's have improved a lot in the last year. The best 

compliment I can give Alison Doran wines is having recently had the '05 Levendi Stagecoach Cab and '06 San 

Roman Toro back to back and the '03 Sempre Vive and '01 Ardente back to back, I really understand why people 

complain about wines being "unstructured" and "fruit bombs". Both of those other wines taste great to me, and 

I've never had any negative comments on them as stand alone, but up against the Doran wines, they really 

seemed one dimensional and over the top. 

To WM and others who got caught up in LBW Mayan madness as I did, I always struggle when allocating funds 

and storage to untried wines why I don't just load the boat when a great deal comes along on one of my favorites 

and just purchase enough new stuff to keep things interesting. Could I have bought 20 cases of Haven's from CH 

wine? Would I have gotten sick of it? In the case of Sempre Vive, will the '05 be as good as other vintages? Why 

do we treat wine so differently than beer or spirits? I guess that's what makes it fun. 

28903 McMalbec 2012-12-26 12:14:49 @jovino: I picked up a couple of Sempres. Looking forward to trying. 

Speaking of CH, we had a Lot 110 PN which I thought was disappointing. Perhaps it need a much longer decant. 

28904 BuffaloLou 2012-12-26 12:17:53 Cindy, you temptress you... 

28905 McMalbec 2012-12-26 15:27:30 @BLou: tell us what you know about the Fratta. 

28908 BuffaloLou 2012-12-26 18:54:47 @McM - Nothing, just the reviews on prior vintages and WEs review. That said, it IS AH-MA-RO-NAY and it is a 

riserva. If it wasn't for the Mayan Madness deals on LBW, I'd be all over this. 

28909 BuffaloLou 2012-12-26 19:21:14 OK, I caved, but just for a 3 pack. I couldn't resist a few to try. 



28913 BuffaloLou 2012-12-27 11:30:55 LBW Mayan Madness - how did you fare? 


I decided to take a tally of the damage done. 

6 - Mags 

1 - 375 

22 - 750s 

Not bad until you consider I was shut out the first day... The c/c damage wasn't too bad. Perhaps being shut out 

the first day was a blessing. ;) 

Some nice everyday drinkers (equivalent of two cases plus: the 6 mags and 12 bottles of one, plus some odds and 

ends.) Some I wanted to try and the deal was right to just buy one. Most excited about the Rbt Foley Petite 

Sirah '06 (because I've wanted to try his PS) and the Dunn Napa Cab '09 (because I love Dunn Cabs.) 

Anyone care to share their Mayan Madness buying? 

28914 BuffaloLou 2012-12-27 12:06:53 @BB - Placed my first order today with JJB Private Client Offer! Soooo, you have a $25 credit in your account!! 

PS: Nice price on the '10 Oreno! 

28915 David T 2012-12-27 12:08:23 @Lou I managed to keep it to two bottles of Grand Cru Chablis @ $45/btl 

28916 BuffaloLou 2012-12-27 12:24:27 @DT - you have more willpower than I. 


Kept getting shut out on the Mayan madness deal, so I kind of watched it up didn’t try and order after a while. 

I have 3 of the 2009 Oreno’s in storage. I tried the 2009 Crognolo and it was outstanding. 

28919 wine magnet 2012-12-27 13:17:05 I am reluctant to go back to tally the Mayan Madness totals, especially since I went in for other offers, including 

today's Cindy CdP offer, which is 1/2 the price of B-21, which is tied for the lowest price in the US according to 

WS Pro. Throwing in FS and no tax, makes this a no brainer (where IS my brain when it comes to tempting 

offers?)!!! 




28920 jovino 2012-12-27 13:55:28 @WM - since we are each other's worst support group, I will give you my numbers. I placed 31 orders and with 

no effort to "finish off a case" I managed 72 full bottles and 12 splits. I haven't done an exact $ talley, but it looks 

very close to $2K. I also didn't get a key report in on Friday, but seeing how much work I've done since, it wasn't 

happening anyway. 

Speaking of "what's your number", we went out to dinner a few weeks ago with a very nice couple whose son is 

in our son's class at school. With a 2 and a 4 year old, we don't get out much with no kids and this seemed fun. 

We had a good time and they score points for being drinkers, but at one point the other guy asked me what my 

number was. I assumed he was talking about a data point that had accumulated before I met my wife, I was 

completely horrified as nothing good can come from my even remembering such statistics. It took me a few 

beats to realize he wanted to know where my net worth needed to be for me to retire. I actually think the first 

question was more appropriate. They've got plenty of good qualities, so we're not giving up on them yet. 

Anyone else have any good first couple's date stories? 

28921 louas 2012-12-27 15:31:33 Mayan Madness: 6 2009 Bonnefoy Rousanne de Madone Volcan, 3 2003 Villard St. Jos Rouge Reflet, 2 2009 

Chumeia Vineyards Dusi Ranch Zin, 1 2005 Mas Alta Basseta Priorat. 

Really have no idea why I ordered any of these. 

@John O: Total +1 re: 2009 Crognolo. Outstanding 

28922 BrunelloBob 2012-12-27 16:31:17 Anyone Near Montgomery County PA? 

http://www.finewineandgoodspirits.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?tabSel=1&s 

ortBy=&sortDir=&storeId=10051&catalogId=10051&langId=- 

1&parent_category_rn=Wines+by+Variety&newsearchlist=yes&resetValue=&searchType=WI 

NE&minSize=&maxSize=&promotions=&rating=&vintage=&specificType=&pri 

ce=&maxPrice=0&varitalCatIf=&region=&country=&varietal=&listSize=&searc 

hKey=Soldera&pageNum=1&totPages=1&level0=&level1=&level2=&level3=& 

keyWordNew=true&VId=&TId=&CId=&RId=&PRc=&FPId=&TRId=&ProId= 

&isKeySearch=Y&SearchKeyWord=Soldera 

28923 BrunelloBob 2012-12-27 16:32:12 Lou: Thanks for the heads-up 

28924 TonyO 2012-12-27 17:10:55 @jovino: that is a rather odd question to ask and I can only assume the dude is a financial planner and is going to 

"give you his card" at some point........I will ponder some awkward moments and share as there have been 

many........ 

28925 luddite 2012-12-27 22:48:22 Mayan Madness: The '09 Château Malartic-Lagravière, '09 Forstmeister Geltz-Zilliken Saarburger Rausch Riesling 

Spatlese, '09 Fritz Haag Brauneberger Juffer Sonnenuhr Riesling Spatlese, and '09 Luciano Sandrone Nebbiolo 

d'Alba Valmaggiore are the ones I'll admit to buying :) 




28926 BuffaloLou 2012-12-27 23:54:08 Usually my "awkward moments" are attributable to me as I place my foot in my mouth quite often. I remember 

one time while with a couple with whom we were good friends, we were on the subject of neckties. I proceed to 

say something to the effect of "I like to wear ties that are bold and make a statement, not conservative and 

boring, like the tie you're wearing." 

If only my mouth was controlled by my brain... 

28928 BuffaloLou 2012-12-28 00:00:12 @WM - I was avoiding tallying the total myself, but I figured I really should know how much I spent, and how 

much cellar space I'm going to need. Niether was excessive, but still good to know. 

@jovino - You need intervention my friend... ;) Seriously, that's quite a haul! I hope you get to drink it all in 

good health! 

28929 jovino 2012-12-28 00:19:12 @ Bob - Wow, that may be the deal of the year considering the new scarcity. It looks like they have two in stock. 

What happened to the big Cindy wine Philly contingent? 

28930 jovino 2012-12-28 00:30:58 Not that anyone asked, but here is the rediculous list. Like Louas, I'm trying to figure out exactly what I was 

thinking. I remember when it was announced that I thought I wanted to get some more Trevor Jones chard and 

Jade Mountain Syrah and that I was low on Syrah in general. So I guess it wasn't a total bust. 

1 Schiopetto Blanc des Rosis, 3 Provenance 2006 Cabernet, 1 Tor Kenward Family Wines Syrah Hudson Vineyard 

Noir Clone 2005, 6 Peira Deusyls Blanc 2006, 4 Peira Deusyls Blanc 2007, 2 Robert Foley Vineyards Petite Sirah 

Muscle Man 2006, 2 Artadi Vina de Gain Rioja Blanc 2006, 1 Livingston Moffett Cabernet Sauvignon Gemstone 

Vineyard 2007, 3 Culler Wines Proprietary Red La Palette 2002, 1 Antinori Guado al Tasso 2008, 2 Laird Family 

Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley 1999, 1 Jimenez Landi El Reventon 2009, 4 Neiman Cellars Proprietary Red Napa 

Valley 2002, 12 Jade Mountain Syrah Paras Vineyard 2003, 1 Pride Mountain Vineyards Petite Sirah Napa Valley 

2001 2Jimenez Landi Pielago 2007, 1 Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley 2009, 1 Philippe Colin Chassagne 

Montrachet Clos Saint Jean 2007, 6 Novaia Recioto Della Valpolicello 2004 Half Bottle (for a friend), 2 Miura 

Chardonnay Talley Vineyard Cuvee Hirigoyen 2007, 3 Mira Salinas Alicante Red 2003, 2 Qupe Los Olivos Cuvee 

2008, 1 Rudius Wines Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley 2009, 1 Celler Cal Pla Planots 2004, 4 Moon Mountain 

28931 BuffaloLou 2012-12-28 01:02:15 Nice haul, jovino! 

28939 louas 2012-12-28 20:05:19 It's 8pm EDT...Do you know where your wine is? 

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/wine-storage-facility-sued-access-300-000-collection-article-1.1228581 



28947 luddite 2012-12-29 18:13:13 ATTN: @jovino 


Subj: '02 Sempre Vive Cabernet Sauvignon @ $29.99 FS 6 

http://thewinespies.com/ 

FS Code = DREAMTEAM 

28948 McMalbec 2012-12-29 21:30:12 @ lud or jovine: was there a Sempre up (last Bottle?) on another site this week? 

28952 BuffaloLou 2012-12-30 00:08:30 :'( Sadly, wine spies will not ship to NYS. :'( 

28953 McMalbec 2012-12-30 00:53:36 @Lou- helping out with an Eagle board of review tomorrow. 

28955 luddite 2012-12-30 08:00:18 @McMalbec: Other than the Invino deal that Jovino pointed out, no others that I'm aware of. The link to 

Vinelog that @hingrman posted lists all the past deals from WTSO, Cinderella Wine, and Last Bottle: 

http://vinelog.com/deals 

28960 BuffaloLou 2012-12-30 12:14:11 @McM - Very cool! Your first or are you a 'seasoned pro'? I really enjoy sitting on BORs. It's cool to see how the 

boys progress from Tenderfoot to Eagle. You really get an appreciation for the program when you see how they 

mature. 

28961 BuffaloLou 2012-12-30 12:17:07 We gave our son a Fender Strat for Christmas. It's been like a live concert here 24/7. I'm lovin' it! 

28963 Scott W 2012-12-30 14:30:10 An 05 Sempre up on Invino for 19.99. 

28965 louas 2012-12-30 18:33:22 I am about to sign up at invino. does anyone have an invite code? 

28967 Julius 2012-12-30 21:07:46 @louas - Here's an invite: 

.invino.com/signup/?invite=dc5c6335135c0812040a578f6cd2fd619e2042af 

28968 BuffaloLou 2012-12-30 21:10:48 @louas - Here you go: http://www.invino.com/signup/?invite=289d7273e0b2662b4e385325e3449cc2d38dfe6c 

28969 Wine magnet 2012-12-30 21:11:23 Louas, try this link 

https://www.invino.com/signup/?invite=0302d9afb5a068089892d147de9e0ae0727a87aa 





2004 

Azienda Agricola Musella Amarone della Valpolicella Riserva - Italy, Veneto, Valpolicella, Amarone della 

Valpolicella (12/30/2012) 

Fantastic Amarone! Nose of dark fruits, vanilla, hint of 'red licorice', and herbs. A bit of a 'sweet Zinfandel' scent 

on the nose, too. Hint of pipe tobacco as well. 

The palate is full and rich, luscious and silky. It fills the mouth with nice viscosity. Big flavors of tobacco on the 

fore palate and chocolate on the finish. Long, long, finish. Ample acidity waters the mouth and balances the 

abundant fruit. Consumed from 375ml.(94 points) 


28976 john o' 2012-12-31 12:30:11 Last day of free ship code. 

Where are the holes? 

I know, Champagne. 

28977 TonyO 2012-12-31 14:18:06 Happy New Year.........GO VIKINGS ! Maybe this year ??? Looked like a 5-11 season in September so who 

knows........ 

28978 McMalbec 2012-12-31 14:34:30 @ Tony- tell me it isn't so! 

28979 john o' 2012-12-31 15:06:48 Tony 

Ponder looks awfully shakey. The line opened +9 for the Packers. 

28980 ptaylor2112 2012-12-31 16:21:07 @jovino - I don't have any good first couple dates, but with a 10, 8, and 4 yr old we've had dinner with more than 

a few parents. Glad you aren't giving up on the couple. I guess his request gives whole new meanting to the term 

"sleep number." 

You probably won't find the "perfect match" but we've gotten along well-enough with one couple that our 

families are heading to Disneyworld next week. 

ptaylor2112 

28982 David T 2012-12-31 17:23:53 Hey Tony... 

Did you know that the Vikings players can't eat cereal for breakfast? Whenever they get too close to a "bowl" 

they choke! 

I kill me... best of luck on Saturday from the board's resident Packers fan :P 

28985 louas 2012-12-31 19:39:30 @Inmates: all the best for a happy, healthy, prosperous, fulfilling and free shipping new year!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

28986 John O' 2012-12-31 19:48:58 Louas 

Do you know something we dont know about free shipping? 




28987 mr21cbs 2012-12-31 20:07:31 Happy New Year to All! May it bring health, happiness, prosperity and peace to you and your loved ones! 

28988 BrunelloBob 2012-12-31 20:58:15 Anyone have Any wine? 

I'm out... 

28989 BrunelloBob 2012-12-31 20:59:30 Anyone have Any wine? 

I’m fresh out... 

28990 BrunelloBob 2012-12-31 21:09:53 Never mind, 

Cindy is helping me out....and I don't even like Italian syrah... 

28991 K is for Kate 2012-12-31 21:23:41 No bubbles for me tonight since I've been sick for the past week and a half, but I hope everyone else is drinking 

something lovely tonight with someone lovely and that the new year brings you many wonderful tastes and 

experiences. 

28992 BuffaloLou 2012-12-31 21:40:43 A Happy and Healthy New Year to all Inmates! 

28993 louas 2012-12-31 21:46:08 @JohnO: I know nothing. Hopeful, however. 

Feel free to root for the Badgers in tomorrow's Rose Bowl. 

28995 BrunelloBob 2013-01-01 00:37:23 2013: FIRST! 

(ok, I'm a loser.....) 

28997 TonyO 2013-01-01 10:51:41 Happy New Year all ! Vikings +9....that sounds about right ! The "Cubs of the NFL" will have to play error free or 

it's over.....Ponder simply needs to play at his mediocre best level and the defense needs to attack Rogers if they 

are to win....Saturday was a good example of parity in the NFL...if you don't turn the ball over, you should always 

have a chance to win....surprised the Bears fired Lovie...at least Thurston Howell will be happy to get his wife 

back (one for the over 40 crowd that will get that reference). 

28998 BrunelloBob 2013-01-01 11:22:48 mmmmmmmm....Maryann...... 

28999 John O' 2013-01-01 11:50:44 maryann > ginger 

Someone here is, I believe, a fan of Hunter III Sauv Blanc. Invino the 2010 for $15 each, 10% off on a case. 




29001 jovino 2013-01-01 12:43:48 Happy New Years Inmates! I am very glad to have spread the word of Sempre Vive at the end of the year. I hope 

many of you see what I do there (and that the '05 is as good as the earlier vintages, very few '05's let me down in 

Napa). I had a bizarre NYE negotiating a separation agreement between one of the owners of my company and 

his former boss/investor. Got it done at 10:30. I guess I had my own fiscal cliff. Managed to drink two '06 Cabs, 

Pillar Rock and Stormy Weather. Both good, Stormy Weather was delicious. 

29002 louas 2013-01-01 13:00:35 I too am a Paixar victim. 

Cindy strikes first blood for 2013 with the Paixar. I've passed a bunch of times, but somehow they got me today. 

Louas, I'd love to make today's game interesting, but it's no fun if you can't collect in person. Go Cardinal! 

@Jovino: U R right. No fun if I cannot collect face to face! 8-) 

is the sempre vive still up on Invino? Can't locate it myself. 

Enjoyed a a 2000 Caravina last night with some smoked meat and cheese. Thought it paired well with Mallomars 

as well. 

Turns out this morning that milk pairs even better with Mallomars. Rare to find mallomars out here in AZ but 

stumbled upon some yesterday. 

Box now empty. 

29003 John O' 2013-01-01 13:12:37 Paixar got me too. 

Louas - the Sempre is still up on Invino (as of a few hours ago anyway). 

29004 John O' 2013-01-01 13:13:54 Paixar pumkined 

29007 John O' 2013-01-01 17:08:06 2004 Ardente Cab up at 3:00PM EST on Cindy. Just pumkined (just kidding). 



29008 BuffaloLou 2013-01-01 19:05:11 @John O - LOL! 


I'm noticing a patter on WTSO. Ref today's Villa Mattielli 2008 Amarone offer: 

Newman: 93 pts 

"WTSO member rating": 92 pts 

CT: 89.2 pts 

Not the first time for this. I realize there isn't a lot between 89.2 and 92, but it seems consistant that "WTSO 

member rating" is a few points higher than CT ratings. Good to know for a reference. 

29016 jovino 2013-01-02 16:27:19 @Lou - We all know how much a Newman rating is worth, how do we validate the wtso member ratings? You 

can't know sample size, reviewer identity, or anything else to tell if it is a totally made up number. I think it 

would be great if there was an actual formula: WTSO Rating = Cellartracker Score + 2.8. At least that would have 

some verifyable basis. 

29021 vinmoet 2013-01-02 19:16:39 Happy New Year all! 

Midwestern area Bordeauxphiles, this is a cheap $50 to taste some pretty serious 2010's: 

http://www.binnys.com/page/UGC-Event 

Not sure yet if I can go but am seriously contemplating it. 

29023 louas 2013-01-02 19:29:59 oops. just received an e-mail from WL: No Paixar for me!! 

Congrats Jovino! 

29024 McMalbec 2013-01-02 19:39:49 fyi, Wine Hoarder site was updated yesterday. 

29025 BuffaloLou 2013-01-03 00:48:59 PSA: BeserkerDay IV is 1/27/13. Save the date! ;) 

29028 mr21cbs 2013-01-03 07:43:35 Good morning Inmates, I will be upgrading the site to the new version of WordPress tomorrow and cleaning up 

over the weekend. Please expect a bit of a jittery performance with some spills over this period. I will update you 

when everything is done. Cheers! 

29031 luddite 2013-01-03 12:14:15 @mr21cbs: When you have a chance could you update the archive as well. Your efforts are much appreciated! 

29032 mr21cbs 2013-01-03 12:19:24 @luddite, will do. I will create a 2012 archive. 

29033 vinmoet 2013-01-03 12:48:10 cbs: Thanks so much for the effort that you put in here!!! 

29034 BuffaloLou 2013-01-03 13:18:48 I'll second vinnys and ludds sentiments. Thanks cbs! 

29035 mr21cbs 2013-01-03 13:36:00 It is my pleasure!

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