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#06 (190) 15-17.II, 2012 weli gamodis oTxSabaTs da SabaTs www.saertogazeti.net; E-mail: saertogazeti@yahoo.com fasi 1 lari<br />

biZina ivaniSvili<br />

TandaTan eris erTian<br />

liderad yalibdeba<br />

ivaniSvils Tu<br />

moqalaqeoba<br />

daubrunes, es niSnavs<br />

rom mis winaaRmdeg<br />

veraguli gegma<br />

ukve SemuSavebulia<br />

ris gamo Semoswyra saakaSvili<br />

vano merabiSvils da ratom ar<br />

aswreben mas samTavrobo da<br />

uSiSroebis sabWos sxdomebze?<br />

vin mouwyo provokacia<br />

biZina ivaniSvils zura<br />

vazagaSvilis xsovnisadmi<br />

miZRvnil aqciaze da vin<br />

Txovda saakaSvilis<br />

fotoze fexis dabijebas?<br />

gamoricxuli ar aris,<br />

erT mSvenier dRes<br />

darialis xeobidan<br />

TeTr cxenze amxedrebuli<br />

putini da saakaSvili<br />

erTad SemobrZandnen<br />

saqarTveloSi<br />

is, rasac biZina<br />

ivaniSvili akeTebs,<br />

qarTuli satiagrahaa<br />

Tu xelisufleba arCevenebs<br />

gaayalbebs `erovnuli<br />

forumi~ quCaSi gamova!<br />

maia fanjikiZis<br />

danaSaulia,<br />

rom alasanias<br />

colis da aris?<br />

konkurencia<br />

qarTulad da `Cemi<br />

biWis~ sindromi<br />

aWara didi<br />

Turqobis zRvarze!<br />

xelisufleba<br />

cdilobs ivaniSvili<br />

quCaSi gamoiyvanos<br />

da iq gauswordes<br />

ruseTi ar daTmobs<br />

mixeil saakaSvils!

2<br />

saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

... visac rom qveyana uyvars,<br />

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me drom damtova udabnoSi,<br />

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vumalav mzes da<br />

vifarebi oqrosfer qviSiT...<br />

da meCveneba suni ambris, suni sakmelis...<br />

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sikvdilis SiSi!.<br />

erTgulebisTvis dasjili var,<br />

rogorc yovelTvis!.<br />

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kuzian xurjins...<br />

_ mWknaria baRi<br />

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Soria cai,<br />

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#06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi<br />

qarTvel ersac gadasalaxi aqvs<br />

Tavisi wili qarTuli udabno<br />

qarTuli satiagraha jer ar Seqmnilao-meTqi,<br />

_ vwerdi erT-erT weril-<br />

Si.<br />

satiagraha WeSmaritebaSi Seupovrobas,<br />

araZaladobrivi gziT winaaRmdegobas<br />

niSnavs, romelic inglisel kolonizatorTagan<br />

indoeTis gaTavisuflebis<br />

mTavar lozungad aqcia didma<br />

indoelma mohandas karamCand pormandarma,<br />

igive mahaTma gandim.<br />

qarTuli satiagraha jer ar Seqmnila-meTqi,<br />

ki vTqvi, magram axla vxvdebi,<br />

rom mTlad marTali ar viyavi.<br />

is, rasac biZina ivaniSvili akeTebs<br />

dRes qarTul politikaSi, Tamamad SeiZleba<br />

qarTuli satiagrahas dasawyisad<br />

da dasabamad CavTvaloT.<br />

_ mxolod arCevnebiT, mxolod<br />

mSvidobiani gziT, Zaladobriv<br />

meTodebze uaris TqmiT<br />

SeiZleba mivaRwioT warmatebas,<br />

_ amtkicebs biZina ivaniSvili.<br />

_ ara iaraRiT, ara Zalado-<br />

biT, aramed mxolod mSvidobiani<br />

winaaRmdegobiT Tu mivaRwevT<br />

sasurvel Sedegs. amgvari brZola<br />

maRal sulierebas, zneobrivi<br />

da moraluri normebis erTgulebas,<br />

keTilSobilebas, Semwynareblobas<br />

moiTxovs Cvengan.<br />

es brZola, pirvel yovlisa,<br />

brZolaa sakuTar mankierebas-<br />

Tan, brZola imisTvis, rom uke-<br />

Tesebi gavxdeT. ingliselebi ki<br />

ar arian cudebi, Cven ar varT<br />

kargebi. gavxdeT ufro kargebi<br />

da Cven movigebT am oms _ arwmunebda<br />

gandi indoelebs.<br />

igives eubneba biZina ivaniSvili<br />

qarTvelebs, Tumca qarTvelebs<br />

maincdamainc naTlad ar<br />

esmiT am mowodebis dedaazri da<br />

gamarjvebis mopoveba mamapapuri<br />

wesiT, muStis erTi dartymiT,<br />

ufro martivi da ioli hgoniaT.<br />

Seupovroba WeSmaritebaSi<br />

sakuTari mankierebis Zlevis<br />

gza, araZaladobrivi, mSvidobiani<br />

winaaRmdegoba, zneobrivi<br />

normebis dacva, xangrZliv dros<br />

da, rac mTavaria, Sromas, energiis<br />

xarjvas moiTxovs, Cven ki, qarTvelebi,<br />

cota wavizarmacebT da amitomac<br />

mowinaaRmdegis erTi dakvriT nokautSi<br />

Cagdeba ufro gvirCevnia.<br />

biZina ivanSvili xSirad<br />

ambobs sityvas msoflmxedveloba,<br />

Tumca qarTvelebs,<br />

romlebsac didi xania sityvebis<br />

Sinaarsi ar ainteresebT,<br />

arc amjerad mouklavT<br />

Tavi imis gagebiT, ras gu-<br />

lisxmobs da saerTod, ra<br />

msoflmxedvelobaze laparakobs<br />

ivaniSvili?<br />

ra msoflmxedvelobaa es da ra<br />

principebs da ra Rirebulebebs efuZneba<br />

igi?<br />

erTi SexedviT, ivaniSvili TiTqos<br />

mahaTma gandis moZRvrebis pirdapir<br />

kalkirebas axdens, Tumca sinamdvileSi<br />

misi mosazrebebi Rrmad qristianuli<br />

da absoluturad qarTulia.<br />

samwuxarod, eqspertebs da analitikosebs<br />

jerjerobiT ar gauSifravT<br />

da ar gauanalizebiaT is ideologia,<br />

rasac ivaniSvili gvTavazobs da arc<br />

im taqtikaze da strategiaze gaumaxvilebia<br />

vinmes yuradReba, romliTac<br />

ivaniSvili am ideologiuri platformis<br />

cxovrebaSi ganxorcielebas<br />

apirebs.<br />

dasanani da gulsatkenia, rom biZina<br />

ivaniSvilis pirovnebas ase zereled,<br />

zedapirulad da primitiulad afasebs<br />

qarTveli sazogadoeba _ gamoCnda mdidari<br />

adamiani, sikeTis qmnisken midrekili<br />

miliarderi, romelsac biznesi<br />

moswyinda da axla politikosoba moesurva.<br />

vaxtang xarCilava<br />

arada, biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

miliardebi saerTod arafer<br />

kavSirSi ar aris im koncefciasTan<br />

da im msoflmxedvelobasTan,<br />

romelic<br />

ivaniSvils, rogorc politikoss,<br />

ualternativo da<br />

erTaderT saSualebad miaCnia<br />

gamarjvebis misaRwevad.<br />

miliarderebi, roca maT politikuri<br />

Zalauflebis mopoveba surT, radikalurad<br />

gansxvavebulad iqcevian _<br />

isini Zalauflebas yiduloben, an Zalismieri<br />

meTodebiT miitaceben xolme.<br />

biZina ivaniSvils mxolod xelisuflebaSi<br />

mosvla rom sdomeboda, im fuliT,<br />

rac partiuli struqturis Seqmnas,<br />

mravalricxovani koaliciis Senaxvas,<br />

grZelvadiani saarCevno kampaniis Catarebas<br />

dasWirdeba, sruliad umtkivneulod,<br />

yovelgvari davidarabis da riskis gare-<br />

Se, 50-60 parlamentaris mandats iyidda<br />

da aseve iyidda nebismier Tanamdebobas.<br />

magram mas es ar gaukeTebia, ufro<br />

zustad, arc ufiqria amis gakeTeba.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilma qarTvel xalxs<br />

Rirseul gamarjvebamde rTuli da Zneli<br />

gzis gavla SesTavaza, erTi aucilebeli<br />

pirobiT _ am gzas igi qarTvel<br />

xalxTan erTad gaivlis da yvela<br />

im gasaWirs, yvela im xifaTs gaiziarebs,<br />

rac am gzaze mis Tanamgzavr qar-<br />

Tvel xalxs Sexvdeba.<br />

rogorc vTqviT, mas sruliad umtkivneulod<br />

SeeZlo Tavi aeridebina am<br />

is, rasac biZina<br />

ivaniSvili akeTebs,<br />

qarTuli satiagrahaa<br />

saxifaTo gzis gavlisTvis da sasaxlidan<br />

gamousvlelad, rbil savarZelSi<br />

Camjdars mieRo imdeni Zalaufleba, ramdensac<br />

moisurvebda, magram man uari<br />

Tqva am komfortul cTunebaze da Tavisi<br />

Tavis, rogorc politikosis, Seqmna<br />

da gamoZerwva sakuTari xeliT irCia.<br />

es gza, romelzec zemoT vlaparakobdiT,<br />

erTgvari gamocdis da sulieri<br />

wrTobis gzac aris da imis miniSne-<br />

bac, rom ar SeiZleba gamarjvebas erTbaSad<br />

miadge _ sanam gamarjvebamde mixval,<br />

raRac gza unda gaiaro, rom bevri<br />

fiqri moaswro Tundac Secdomebis<br />

daSveba moaswro, rom mere iswavlo am<br />

Secdomebze da gamarjvebamde codniTa<br />

da gamocdilebiT aRWurvili mixvide.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis gadawyvetileba,<br />

mosuliyo politikaSi da daewyo nulidan,<br />

daewyo sufTa furclidan, aris gadawyvetileba<br />

im kacisa, romelmac aseve<br />

nulidan daiwyo biznesi da sakuTari<br />

SromiT, niWierebiT, gamWriaxobiT, mizanswrafulobiT<br />

da, rac mTavaria, wesierebiT,<br />

erT-erTi umdidresi adamiani gaxda.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis kredo,<br />

misi filosofia SemdegSi<br />

mdgomareobs: adamianma Tvi-<br />

Ton unda `aaSenos~ taZariviT<br />

sakuTari Tavi, TviTon<br />

unda srulyos da daxvewos<br />

ise, rom am taZarma dros gauZlos<br />

da TanamedroveTaTvis<br />

da momavali TaobebisTvis<br />

orientirad iqces.<br />

* * *<br />

qarTvelebs erTi ucnauri Tviseba<br />

gvaqvs _ yvelas Wkviani hgonia Tavisi<br />

Tavi, Tanac gansakuTrebulad Wkviani.<br />

bevri araferi gvabadia, magram, ai,<br />

Wkua gvaqvs Tavsayrelad da, ra Tqma<br />

unda, Wkuis darigebac Zalian gviyvars.<br />

naxeT, ra kargi gamoTqmaa _ Wkuis<br />

darigeba.<br />

TiTqos saCuqrebs varigebdeT, ise<br />

varigebT da varigebT qarTvelebi<br />

Wkuas, Tumca am SemTxvevaSic gansakuTrebul<br />

movlenasTan gvaqvs<br />

saqme.<br />

qarTvelma SeiZleba notis wakiTxvac<br />

ar icodes, magram SeuZ-<br />

lia kompozitors Wkua daarigos<br />

da aswavlos, rogor unda Seqmnas<br />

mSvenieri musika.<br />

qarTvels, romelsac Tavis<br />

cxovrebaSi funji ar auRia xel-<br />

Si, SeuZlia mxatvars misces rCeva<br />

Tu rogor unda daxatos genialuri<br />

naxati.<br />

qarTvels, romelsac 5 lari<br />

ar udevs jibeSi, SeuZlia 5 miliardis<br />

patrons Wkua daarigos<br />

da menejmentis sferoSi `kvalificiuri~<br />

rCevebi misces.<br />

qarTvelebi Wkuas gansakuTrebulad<br />

guluxvad da xelgaSlilad<br />

politikis dargSi arigeben.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilsac<br />

bevri Wkuis damrigebeli<br />

da mrCeveli gamouCnda,<br />

romlebic TavianT<br />

wmindaTawminda movaleobad<br />

Tvlian, aswavlon<br />

politikos ivaniSvils,<br />

rogor unda akeTos politika,<br />

vin daiyenos<br />

gverdiT, vin Serisxos,<br />

rogor ilaparakos da<br />

raze ilaparakos.<br />

arada, drois, am umcires<br />

monakveTSi, biZina ivaniSvilma<br />

daamtkica, rom is ukve<br />

Sedga, rogorc niWieri politikosi,<br />

romelic arc Tavisi<br />

winamorbedebidan da<br />

arc Tavisi Tanamedroveebidan<br />

aravis ar hgavs.<br />

<br />

4 gv.<br />

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4 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

``saerTo gazeTs~ esaubreba<br />

``erovnuli forumis~ erT-eerTi<br />

lideri gubaz sanikiZe<br />

_ opozciuri rvianisgan<br />

darCenil eqvsians, aRar hqonda<br />

resursi ebrZola saboloo gamarjvebamde?<br />

_ naTqvamia: ,,SeZaxilma xe<br />

gaaxmoo~. gveubnebodnen, araferi<br />

gamogivaT, azri ar aqvs<br />

Tqvens aqtivobaso da marTlac,<br />

opoziciuri eqvsianic `gaxma~.<br />

_ mas Semdeg, rac opoziciuri<br />

rvianisgan darCenili eqvsianic<br />

daiSala, faqtobrivad, forumi<br />

politikur asparezze<br />

aRar gamoCenila. ras niSnavda<br />

Tqveni taimauti, isvenebdiT Tu<br />

akvirdebodiT, rogor ganviTardeboda<br />

politikuri procesebi?<br />

_ ,,erovnuli forumi~<br />

arasdros ar isvenebs. vakvirdebodiT,<br />

rogor, ranairad ganvi-<br />

Tardeboda movlenebi. politikur<br />

organizacias, iseve rogorc<br />

adamians, aqvs aqtivobis,<br />

gadafasebis, Sefasebis periodi.<br />

`forumsac~ swored es periodi<br />

hqonda. SekiTxvebi roca gacilebiT<br />

bevria, vidre gasacemi pasuxebi,<br />

jobs, adamianma poziciis<br />

dafiqsirebisgan Tavi Seikavos.<br />

qarTvelebi cota `ariqas~<br />

mimdevari xalxi varT, ariqas<br />

ZaxiliT ki saqme ar gamodis.<br />

bavSvi sam TveSi ar ibadeba, yvelafers<br />

sWirdeba garkveuli periodi.<br />

imdinare procesebi gar-<br />

kvel saxes ukve Rebulobs da<br />

qarTul politikaSi gadamwyvet<br />

sityvas aucileblad ityvis.<br />

_ ,,erovnuli forumi~ oficialurad<br />

koaliciis wevri ramdenime<br />

dRis win gaxda. ra gaxda<br />

gawevrianebis mTavari mizezi da<br />

konkretulad rodis daiwyeT<br />

molaparakebis procesi biZina<br />

ivaniSvilTan?<br />

_ intensiuri molaparakebebi<br />

yovelkvireuli, yoveldRiuri<br />

biZina ivaniSvilTan ar gvqonia.<br />

bolo Sexvedris dros aseTi<br />

ram iTqva: baton biZinas mxares<br />

politikuri formirebebis procesi<br />

mimdinareobda da Cveni<br />

mxridanac iyo ganacxadi, gvecala<br />

partniorebisTvis rogor Camoyalibdebodnen<br />

da gadawyvetileba<br />

Semdeg migveRo. dRes politikuri<br />

konturebi ukve gamoikveTa,<br />

mogexsenebaT, 15 Tebervals<br />

gaimarTeba partiis prezentacia.<br />

_ ra iyo is mTavari motivi,<br />

ris gamoc `forumi~ koalicia-<br />

Si gaerTianda, ra molodini<br />

gaqvT koaliciasTan dakavSirebiT?<br />

_ arsebobs realuri SesaZlebloba<br />

qveyanaSi daiwyos seriozuli<br />

politikuri cvlilebebi.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis saxiT<br />

politikaSi seriozuli figura<br />

Semovida, romelsac aqvs unari<br />

koncentracia moaxdinos eleqtoratis,<br />

aswios politikuri<br />

opoziciis reitingi, xalxis<br />

ganwyoba, amitom `forums~ aqvs<br />

survili monawileoba miiRos<br />

politikuri procesebis formirebaSi.<br />

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amitom, samxedro bazebis gayvanas<br />

ar apirebs. ufro metic,<br />

moskovs am bazebis gaZliereba<br />

sWirdeba, rac SeiZleba im Sem-<br />

TxvevaSi moxdes Tu viTarebis<br />

gamwvavebis safrTxe iqneba. axla,<br />

moskovi saqarTveloSi<br />

daZabulobis gazrdis perspeqtivas<br />

moaxloebul saparlamento<br />

arCevnebs ukav-<br />

Sirebs, miuxedavad imisa,<br />

rom es arCevnebi CvenTan<br />

Semodgomazea, magram es<br />

sxvanairi saparlamento<br />

arCevnebia. igi ar aris xelisuflebis<br />

dominirebis<br />

probebSi ganxorcielebuli<br />

arCevnebi. aq aris Zlieri<br />

moTamaSe biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

saxiT, igi xelisuflebis<br />

Zlieri konkurentia,<br />

rac imas niSnavs, rom SeiZleba<br />

viTareba daiZabos.<br />

moskovs gakeTebuli aqvs<br />

aseTi gaTvlebi _ SeiZleba<br />

viTareba imdenad daiZabos,<br />

rom saakaSvilma gadawyvitos<br />

sazRvrebTan safrTxeebis<br />

xelovnurad Seqmna. magaliTad,<br />

gaamwvavos viTareba, iq gadaitanos<br />

yuradReba, amis gamo reJimi<br />

gaamkacros _ Tqvas, rom gvemuqreba<br />

safrTxe da stabilurobis<br />

SesanarCuneblad unda<br />

gavzardoT SeiaraReba da moaxdinos<br />

situaciis sagangebo vi-<br />

TarebaSi gadatana. SeiZleba es<br />

aRmoCndes xelisuflebis interesebSi.<br />

amis prevenciisTvis,<br />

moskovi Tvlis, rom Tavis<br />

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~<br />

internetSi<br />

www.saertogazeti.net<br />

SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze<br />

mxriv araRiarebuli respublikebis<br />

sazRvrebTan bazebi unda<br />

gaaZlieros. yvela cdilobs situacia<br />

gamoiyenon, raTa is amocana,<br />

romelic isedac dasaxulia,<br />

arsebuli viTarebiT gamarTleba<br />

mouZebnos.<br />

_ ramdenad SesaZlebelia<br />

saakaSvili postis Sesanar-<br />

Cuneblad msgavs scenarze<br />

wavides?<br />

_ Tu winasaarCevno viTareba<br />

garTulda, is, rac mogaxseneT,<br />

savsebiT SesaZlebelia.<br />

CvenTan arCevnebi normalur<br />

saarCevno fonze da<br />

garemoSi ar tardeba, es<br />

faqtia. es yvelasTvis cxadi<br />

gaxdeba. iseTi kanonmdebloba<br />

miiRes, iseT viTarebaSi Caa-<br />

yenes yvela politikuri Zala,<br />

garda xelisuflebis, rom praqtikulad,<br />

gaZnelebuli ki ara,<br />

SeiZleba SeuZlebeli gaxdes<br />

normaluri arCevnebis Catareba.<br />

ra Tqma unda, es ar moxdeba<br />

garkveuli saprotesto moZraobis<br />

gareSe. davakvirdeT erT<br />

rames _ saxelisuflebo televizia<br />

ambobs _ biZina ivaniS-<br />

vilma `respublikelebisa~ da<br />

`Tavisufali demokratebis~<br />

garda `erovnuli forumi~ SemoierTa,<br />

es xom ar niSnavs,<br />

rom taqtika icvlebao. Tuki<br />

adre ivaniSvili quCas gamoricxavda,<br />

xom ar icvleba taqtika<br />

da saprotesto moZraoba<br />

quCaSi xom ar gadainacvlebs.<br />

ra xdeba amiT? _ xdeba viTarebis<br />

winaswar mosinjva, moaxerxebs<br />

Tu ara xelisufleba ivaniSvilis<br />

quCaSi gayvanas. isini<br />

Tvlian _ ivaniSvilis mogerieba<br />

quCaSi ufro advili iqneba<br />

gamomdinare iqedan, rom quCis<br />

aqciebi momwifebuli qveynisTvis<br />

damaxasiaTebel winasaarCevno<br />

qmedebad ar iTvleba. anu<br />

aqamde biZina ivaniSvili iyo<br />

iseT CarCoebSi, rom masTan<br />

brZola legitimurobis TvalsazrisiT<br />

Zalian Zneli iyo, qu-<br />

CaSi Tu gaiyvanen bevri ram SeiZleba<br />

moxdes, mas warmoaCenen,<br />

rogorc quCuri meTodebiT mebrZols<br />

da araseriozul metoqes.<br />

anu es unda swored xelisuflebas.<br />

_ sxva mxridan rom SevxedoT<br />

am ambavs, iqneb xelisuflebas<br />

ivaniSvilis quCaSi gasvla<br />

ki ara, swored misi umoqmedoba<br />

awyobs. ase xom mSvidad<br />

miva arCevnebamde da mere Cveuli<br />

xerxiT gaayalbebs?<br />

_ geTanxmebiT, normalur<br />

viTarebaSi ase iqneboda. anu xelisufleba<br />

amtkicebs, rom mas<br />

mosaxleobis umravlesoba ganaRdebuli<br />

aqvs. es marTlac<br />

ase rom iyos, maSin axali politikuri<br />

Zalis gamoCenas ar<br />

SeuSindeboda. Tu ician, rom<br />

umravlesoba maT aZlevs xmas,<br />

xelisufleba<br />

cdilobs ivaniSvili<br />

quCaSi gamoiyvanos<br />

da iq gauswordes<br />

maSin ratom uqmnian dabrkolebebs<br />

ivaniSvilis gunds gamkacrebuli<br />

kanonmdeblobiT, finansuri<br />

sanqciebis saxiT?! es niSnavs,<br />

rom maT ician _ arcTu<br />

ise ganaRdebuli aqvT arCevnebis<br />

mogeba.<br />

_ batonma biZinam `asavaldasavalSi~<br />

micemul interviu-<br />

Si ganacxada_ Tu arCevnebi ga-<br />

yalbdeba quCis aqciebsac ar gamovricxavo.<br />

Tqven ambobT, rom<br />

am viTarebaSi normaluri, samarTliani<br />

arCevnebi ar Catardeba.<br />

Tu winaswar viciT, rom<br />

arCevnebi yalbdeba, maSin ratom<br />

viRebT monawileobas am arCevnebSi?<br />

_ sxva gza ar gvaqvs, rogoric<br />

ar unda iyos igi, arCevnebze<br />

mainc unda mivideT. manamde<br />

unda vecadoT saarCevno garemosTan<br />

arsebuli mZime viTareba<br />

SevamsubuqoT. arCevnebis normalurad<br />

Catareba Znelad mosalodnelia,<br />

magram Zalian didi<br />

mniSvneloba aqvs amomrCevlis<br />

aqtivobas. Tu amomrCevlis aqtivoba<br />

da mxardaWera ivaniSvilisadmi<br />

TvalsaCino gaxda, ar<br />

gamovricxav, rom xelisufleba<br />

kidev ufro mkacri zomebis mi-<br />

Rebaze wavides. rac arCevnebis<br />

legitimurobas eWvqveS daayenebs.<br />

arasamarTliani arCevnebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi mosalodnelia seriozuli<br />

garTulebebi imis gamo,<br />

rom erTi mxriv iqmneba arajansaRi<br />

viTareba saarCevno garemosTan<br />

mimarTebaSi. meore<br />

mxriv, mTeli msoflio Cvengan<br />

arCevnebis da ara revoluciis<br />

gziT moelis moqmedebas. amitom,<br />

yvela politikuri Zala<br />

imisTvis, rom legitimuroba ar<br />

dakargos cdilobs konstituciur<br />

CarCoebSi imoqmedos. aseT<br />

viTarebaSi didi roli ekisreba<br />

damkvirveblebs, ramdenad iqnebian<br />

isini TavianT simaRleze.<br />

eyofa Tu ara am arCevnebs damkvirveblebi<br />

situaciis normalurad<br />

SefasebisTvis?<br />

_ ra eSveleba am kuTxiT<br />

regionebs, sadac administraciuli<br />

resursi daufaravad moqmedebs?<br />

_ diax, regionSi viTareba<br />

mniSvnelovnad gansxvavdeba.<br />

arada ukve faqtia, daTvlilia,<br />

rom yvela saarCevno ubanze<br />

damkvirvebels ver daayeneben.<br />

ar arsebobs damkvirveblebis is<br />

raodenoba, romelic yvela<br />

ubans eyofa. saqarTveloSi 4<br />

aTasamde ubania. gamomdinare<br />

aqedan, xmebis gayalbeba SesaZlebelia.<br />

am mxriv, mZime weli<br />

gvelis.<br />

_ saakaSvils obamas azri<br />

naklebad ainteresebs, mTavaria<br />

xelisufleba SeinarCunos. rogor<br />

fiqrobT, garda zemoT<br />

Tqmulisa, razea igi kidev wamsvleli?<br />

_ saakaSvilisTvis yvelaferi<br />

sulerTia, mas ainteresebs<br />

xelisuflebis SenarCuneba, magram<br />

amis erTaderTi SesaZlebloba<br />

mxolod premier-ministris<br />

postis dakaveba rodia saakaSvilma<br />

amerikaSi aseTi<br />

faraza Tqva _ Cven axla<br />

Zlier saparlamento respublikas<br />

vamyarebTo, rac<br />

niSnavs _ Tu Tavad parlamentis<br />

Tavmjdomare gaxdeba,<br />

maSin parlamenti gadamwyveti<br />

xdeba. SeiZleba<br />

swored amisken mihyavs saqme.<br />

mas kargad vicnob da<br />

vici, rom Tavisi gundis<br />

xelisuflebidan wasvla<br />

ver warmoudgenia. igi yvelafers<br />

gaakeTebs, raTa<br />

Tavisi gundi xelisuflebis<br />

saTaveSi datovos.<br />

qveynis interesi ki mdgomareobs<br />

imaSi, rom am gunds<br />

monopolia aRar hqondes.<br />

Tu nacmoZraoba ubralo<br />

umravlesobiT mova es sxva<br />

ambavia, magram Tu konstituciuri<br />

umravlesobiT mova, es Zalian<br />

cudi iqneba. zogadad,<br />

vTvli, rom bevri ram rac gvemarTeba.<br />

Cveni sazogadoebis Camouyalibeblobis<br />

Sedegicaa.<br />

_ bolos minda gkiTxoT, ra<br />

aris amerikis interesi. Tu saqarTveloSi<br />

saakaSvili darCeba,<br />

ruseTSi ki putini, rogor<br />

moaxerxebs amerika ruseTTan<br />

dalaparakebas?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda, amerika dainteresebulia,<br />

rom saqarTvelom<br />

ruseTTan farTomasStabiani<br />

dialogi gaagrZelos, magram<br />

es obamas politikaa da ara<br />

mTeli amerikis survili. Tu,<br />

vTqvaT amerikaSi respublikuri<br />

partiis konservatiuli jgufebi<br />

movidnen, maT sul sxva interesebi<br />

eqnebaT, anu gagrZeldes<br />

dapirispirebis foni ruseTTan.<br />

Tamar SveliZe

#06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

geubnebiT, es xalxi sadRac garbis<br />

da gvimalaven. damalaven, maS ra iqneba!<br />

imdeni gamwarebuli hyavT, Tu gauges,<br />

qoCriT Treva ar ascdebaT. jibecarieli<br />

gaqceva, bunebrivia, xels ar aZlevT.<br />

biujetis fuli arCevnebsac aRar<br />

hyofnis. amitom sxva, alternatiuli<br />

wyaroebi unda ezebon da eZeben kidec.<br />

am sakiTxze gazeTis wina nomerSic visaubreT<br />

da rogorc ganvlili kviris<br />

ganmavlobaSi gamoCnda, Tema ar daxurula,<br />

anu fulis Sovnis `levi~ xerxebis<br />

Zebna grZeldeba. am `ekonomikuri~ aRmo-<br />

Cenebis Sesaxeb qveviT dawvrilebiT mogaxsenebT.<br />

manamde ki im politikuri dapirispirebis<br />

Sesaxeb, rac mmarTveli<br />

elitis SigniT trialebs da garkveuli<br />

periodis Semdeg gareT gasasvlels<br />

aucileblad ipovis.<br />

`Cemi biWis~ sindromi<br />

pativcemul prezidents SiSi gauCnda,<br />

rom is kaci uRalatebs, vinc misi<br />

sayrdeni da xerxemalia. mkiTxveli, albaT,<br />

mixvda, rom laparakia vano merabiSvilsa<br />

da mis gavlenaze qarTul politikaSi.<br />

eWvi ramdenad argumentirebulia,<br />

es mxolod saakaSvilma icis da<br />

Cven jer amaze mets aravin arafers<br />

gvetyvis. amitom mivyveT faqtebs. bolo<br />

dros, sazogadoebaSi gaxSirda imaze<br />

saubari, rom prezidenti premier-ministrs<br />

cvliso. savaraudo kandidatad,<br />

vera qobalia saxeldeboda. mogvianebiT,<br />

es kandidati ufro realisturma figuram<br />

Caanacvla. saqnavigaciis dRevandeli<br />

Sefis dawinaurebis Sesaxeb laparaki<br />

mas Semdeg gaxSirda, rac batonma giorgi<br />

karbelaSvilma Tavi gamoCina qarTveli<br />

mezRvaurebis gaTavisuflebis saqmeSi.<br />

cnobilia is faqtic, rom moqmedi<br />

premieri gilauri vanos biWia, anu merabiSvilis<br />

proteJea. aqve SevTanxmdeT,<br />

rom dapirispirebis mTavari qveteqsti<br />

yovelTvis finansebi da is berketebia,<br />

rac am finansur gavlenebs akontrolebs.<br />

gilaurs biujetis da Semosavlebis<br />

kontrolze miuwvdeba xeli. vanos<br />

biWebi arian finansTa ministri, Semosavlebis<br />

samsaxuris Sefi da erovnuli<br />

bankis prezidenti. es ambavi bolo<br />

dros prezidents TvalSi ar mosdis da<br />

cdilobs, viTareba Secvalos, radgan<br />

icis, rom mTavar brZolas is igebs, visac<br />

didi fuli gaaCnia. amas emateba<br />

isic, rom ramdenjerme merabiSvili<br />

prezidentis moTxovnas ar daemorCila<br />

da uxeS kanondarRvevebze uari uTxra.<br />

erTi sityviT, prezidents yvela mizezi<br />

hqonda imisaTvis, rom gilauris<br />

gadayenebaze aSkarad daewyo muSaoba.<br />

saidan gaaxsenda da sad gamoCxrika politikuri<br />

naftaliniT gaJRenTili karbelaSvilis<br />

persona, Zneli saTqmelia.<br />

unda vivaraudoT, rom ufro erTguli<br />

da uambicio kaci veRar ipova Tavis<br />

garSemo. karbelaSvils ori-sami wlis<br />

win prezidenti erTxel ukve Semoswyra<br />

da daaxloebuli wridan moicila. umu-<br />

Sevrad darCenili nacionali bolos saqavianavigaciaSi<br />

daasaqmes. rogorc amboben,<br />

merabiSvilma kbilebiT daicva<br />

Tavisi biWi da prezidents karbelaSvilis<br />

sawinaaRmdego kompromatebi daulaga:<br />

yvelaze mTavari misi narkodamokidebuleba<br />

iyo. Tanac iseTi, rom ramdenime<br />

gzis sazRvargareT mkurnalobamac<br />

ver uSvela. samagierod, saakaSvilma<br />

moiTxova Tavisi biWebis xelSeuxebloba.<br />

eseni arian ZiriTadad, kudis da<br />

sodis Sefebi, anu axalaiebis klani.<br />

rogorc bolo dros saubroben, ivaniSvilis<br />

gamoCenis Semdeg, yvela xmauriani<br />

dapatimreba da `mamaZaRloba~ saakaSvilma<br />

axalaias biWebis xeliT ganaxorciela.<br />

zugdidelebi kerZo saubreb-<br />

Si imasac acxadeben, rom ruxis cixes-<br />

Tan dabanakebul axalaiebis zonderjgufebs<br />

yoveldRiurad emateba xalxi da<br />

SeiaraReba. araoficialuri SeiaraRebis<br />

wevrebs kviraSi erTi<br />

dRe dasveneba aqvT. am dRes<br />

zugdidian aaqvT pur-marili,<br />

cocxali musika da xuTasamde<br />

kaci mamapapurad gulaobs. ris-<br />

Tvis gamoiyenebs am xalxs prezidenti<br />

da ra moxdeba, amas<br />

mxolod momavali gviCvenebs.<br />

jerjerobiT ki, saakaSvilica<br />

da merabiSvilic absoluturad<br />

inarCuneben arsebul statuskvos.<br />

konkurencia<br />

qarTulad<br />

rogorc amboben, `barambos~ saqme<br />

cudad misdis. rom ara xelisuflebis<br />

xelSewyoba, es kompania aqamdec wagebaze<br />

imuSavebda. pirveli didi dotacia<br />

`barambos~ nacelitam saaxalwlod gauwia.<br />

marto Tbilisis meriam naxevari milioni<br />

laris produqcia Seisyida da<br />

pedagogebs saCuqrad miarTva. faqtobrivad,<br />

yvela komerciulma bankma moawyo<br />

saaxalwlo RonisZieba, sadac saCuqrebad<br />

mxolod `barambos~ nawarmi daariges.<br />

aseve moiqca regionuli ganviTarebis<br />

saministro da soflad socialurad<br />

daucvel ojaxebs TiToorola qar-<br />

Tuli Sokoladi Camouriga.<br />

ori Tvis Tavze gamoCnda, rom es<br />

dotaciac ar iyo sakmarisi da `barambos~<br />

did konkurencias uwevs ufro<br />

iafi ucxouri nawarmi.<br />

amis mere saqmeSi nacionaluri<br />

arxebi CaerTvnen<br />

da akrZaluli ileTebis<br />

gamoyeneba daiwyes. ker-<br />

Zod, gadasarCeni iyo bav-<br />

SvTa kvebisTvis gankuTvnili<br />

`barambino~. yvela<br />

saxelisuflebo arxma<br />

specialuri siuJeti miuZRvna<br />

im Temas, TiTqos<br />

germanuli sabavSvo Sokoladi<br />

`kinderi~ momwamvlel<br />

nivTierebebs Seicavs<br />

da mavnebelia. es<br />

produqti msoflios aTobiT<br />

qveyanaSi iyideba da aravis mis xarisxSi<br />

eWvi ar Seutania. gamonaklisi<br />

aRmoCnda saqarTvelo, sadac nebismieri<br />

produqciis ganadgureba SesaZlebelia<br />

am xerxebiT, Tu ki es nacionalebis<br />

biznesinteresebs waadgeba da dasWirdeba.<br />

saqarTveloSi Sokoladis nawarmi<br />

ramdenime cnobil firmas Semoaqvs da<br />

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amitom iZulebulia, isev momxmarebelze<br />

iTamaSos da tyuilebiT gamoutenos<br />

Tavi. ise, cnobisaTvis, Tu saqmeSi<br />

Caxedul ramdenime eqsperts davujerebT,<br />

swored `barambo~ iyenebs akrZalur<br />

ingredientebs da fasze rom aRaraferi<br />

vTqvaT, misi xarisxic saeWvoa<br />

da Tavi unda SevikavoT misi SeZenisagan.<br />

yvelaze iafi,<br />

magram Zviri gazi<br />

xelisuflebis ekonomikuri siurprizebi<br />

grZeldeba. guSin diliT argumentebisa<br />

da gafrTxilebis gareSe sawvavi<br />

gaaZvires, Tanac yvela kompaniam da<br />

yvelam erTdroulad. kargi iqneba, Tu<br />

aravin Semogvedaveba da ar ityvis, rom<br />

kerZo kompaniebTan xelisuflebas ra<br />

xeli aqvso? urwmunoebis gasagonad kidev<br />

erTxel vityviT, rom qveyanaSi damoukidebeli<br />

biznesi ar arsebobs da<br />

pirwmindad yvelafers xelisuflebis<br />

mada da ganwyoba akontrolebs. es mada<br />

rom dRiTidRe izrdeba, amasac yvela<br />

vxedavT. amitom navTobproduqtebs waxmareba<br />

sWirdeba.<br />

ise, simarTle unda iTqvas da is,<br />

rom SesaZloa, gazis tarific gaizardos,<br />

marto xelisuflebis brali ar<br />

iqneba. rogorc amboben, azerbaijanma<br />

bunebriv airze fasis gazrda<br />

gadawyvita. ufro sworad, ruseTma,<br />

radgan maragebis ZiriTadi<br />

nawili swored mas aqvs Sesyiduli.<br />

marTalia, energetikisa da<br />

bunebrivi resursebis ministri<br />

aleqsandre xeTaguri acxadebs,<br />

rom momdevno 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />

saqarTvelSi gazis tarifi<br />

ar gaizrdebao, magram magas<br />

mTlad nu davujerebT (xeTagurs<br />

vin ras ekiTxeba. eseni imasac ambobdnen,<br />

marSutkebze fasi ar moimatebso,<br />

magram moimata). igives<br />

amtkicebs premieri nika gilauric.<br />

misi TqmiT, arsebuli SeTan-<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

konkurencia qarTulad<br />

da `Cemi biWis~ sindromi<br />

miSa da vano erTmaneTs waekidnen,<br />

anu `sokari~ gazs gviZvirebs,<br />

savaraudod, tarific gaizrdeba<br />

xmebis Sedegad, saqarTvelos yvelaze<br />

iafi gazi aqvs, Tu ar CavTvliT Tavad<br />

azerbaijans. sinamdvileSi, yvelaze iafi<br />

tarifi ukrainasa da belorusSi moqmedebs.<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom isini Zvir<br />

rusul gazs yiduloben, iq momxmareblisTvis<br />

tarifi dabalia, radgan saxelmwifo<br />

dotacias axdens. rogorc<br />

energoombudsmeni daviT ebraliZe ganmartavs,<br />

Cven azerbaijanul gazs bevrad<br />

Zvirad vyidulobT da amasTan erTad,<br />

tarifi gaberilia. erTi kubmetri gazis<br />

fasi ara 51 TeTri, aramed, 40 TeTris<br />

farglebSi unda meryeobdes da es iqneboda<br />

samarTliani tarifi.<br />

ramdenime wlis win, saqarTvelo gaziT<br />

ori wyarodan maragdeboda: saxelmwifo<br />

ruseTisgan gazs 235 dolarad<br />

yidulobda. `Sah-denizis~ sabadodan ki<br />

_ 62,5 dolarad. raki ruseTidan mowodebuli<br />

gazis wili gacilebiT Warbobda<br />

azerbaijanuls, Sesabamisad, tarific<br />

maRali iyo. 2009 wlidan saqarTvelos<br />

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xelisufleba tarifSi Tavis wils ver<br />

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moiklebs. amitom unda vivaraudoT, rom<br />

gazis tarifi male isev gaizrdeba. yo-<br />

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arguments da sakuTar nabijs gaamarTlebs.<br />

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gaaCniaT.<br />

manana gegiZe<br />

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8 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

`ohoi nana, didou nana,<br />

aWareli viyav gana,<br />

Cemo deda saqarTvelo,<br />

Cemi Tavi genacvala~.<br />

es striqonebi `vardebis<br />

xelisuflebis~ mier Seuracxyofil<br />

da maTgan gulgaxeTqil<br />

aWarel did poets, Cems<br />

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ekuTvnis, roca ki aWaraSi,<br />

raime saSineleba, araqarTuli<br />

da mTlianad qveynis-<br />

Tvis damRupveli ram xdeba _<br />

es leqsi TavisiT iwyebs laparaks<br />

da mravaltanjuli aWaris<br />

Sesaxeb yvelaze ukeT mesaubreba...<br />

aravin icis, ra faruli garigebis<br />

Sedegia is, rac iyo<br />

da rac dRes xdeba aWaraSi.<br />

TurqeTSi qarTuli kulturuli<br />

memkvidreobis ZeglTa iSxanis<br />

da oSkis gadarCenis sanacvlod,<br />

TurqeTis islamuri<br />

respublika, kidev ra siurprizebs<br />

`gamoucxobs~ saqarTvelos,<br />

arc es icis vinmem,<br />

magram erTi ki faqtia,<br />

aWaraSi dRes islamis<br />

momZlavreba<br />

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3000-mde mozardi,<br />

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iyo moqceuli, dRes ki baTum-<br />

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da gamyidveli xelisufleba<br />

hyavso gana es garkveulwilad<br />

logikuri ar aris?<br />

marTalia, aslan<br />

abaSiZe Zalian gezizRebodaT<br />

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iyo, erTi goji miwa<br />

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aramed yovelgvari wvrili<br />

biznesic ki akrZaluli<br />

hqondaT Turqebs! me piradad<br />

vicnobi Sinagan saqmeTa saministros<br />

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ufross ruslan beri-<br />

Zes (aw.gardacvlils), romelic<br />

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iyavi) gamagebine erTi? aba,<br />

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rom SeeTavazebina erdoRans _<br />

ra pasuxs miiRebda aslanisgan?<br />

aWara rom qarTvelebisgan<br />

icleboda 2004 wlidan moyolebuli<br />

dRemde _ amaze maSin<br />

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lukma puris saSovarze da<br />

dRes ramdenia iq wasuli? ise,<br />

codva gamxelili sjobia da<br />

murman dumbaZe, oTar zoiZe da<br />

daTo bacikaZe `respublikuri~<br />

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xval mainc datovebdnen `respublikur~<br />

partias! asec moxda...<br />

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is, rom baTumis SuagulSi<br />

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Ranma sulTan azizies saxelobis<br />

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ramdenime dRis win<br />

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mier ukve mzad<br />

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ukve cnobiliao.<br />

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TiT) varSalomiZe-saakaSvilma<br />

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xnis win simbolur fasad 1<br />

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saboloo ganTavisuflebac~,<br />

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axla, vici, SemomiZaxeben:<br />

_ `ki, magram, es rogor moxdeba,<br />

aq, aWaraSi gana xalxi<br />

amas dauSvebso?~<br />

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(es Cemi azria), magram<br />

erTaderTi, visac am veraguli<br />

gegmis winaaRmdeg galaSqreba<br />

SeuZlia, is aris da ramdenad

#06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi<br />

dalaSqravs igi Tavis mrevls<br />

da ramdenad waruZRveba win am<br />

protests meufe dimitri (SiolaSvili),<br />

Zneli saTqmelia!<br />

wasuls Cabarda didi naTlisReba<br />

aWaraSi, rodesac<br />

zRva da mdinareebi ar kmaroda<br />

muslimi aWarlebis xelmeored<br />

gasaqristianeblad da roca<br />

aslan abaSiZem piradi magali-<br />

Ti aCvena sakuTar xalxs, rogor<br />

ar unda hyvarebodaT iZulebiT<br />

Tavsmoxveuli religia<br />

aWarlebs, Sedegmac ar daayovna,<br />

anu, TviTon moinaTla mar-<br />

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aWaraSi qristianTa raodenobam<br />

TiTqmis 70 procenti<br />

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unda daubrundeT mamapapaTa<br />

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mpasuxobdnen _ `Cven, albaT,<br />

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axla? axla vin gaaqristianebs<br />

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ukmeven?<br />

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eklesia Tavze roca<br />

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aWaraSi 100-mde<br />

meCeTi cxvirwin rom<br />

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ratom ar unda aaSenon,<br />

viTom Tuki yvelaferi<br />

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moxda `Tavisufal aWaraSi~?<br />

axla rac Seexeba aWareli<br />

muslimebis sulier liders _<br />

mufti jemal paqsaZes da mis<br />

gancxadebas: `me ara var ba-<br />

TumSi meCeTis aSenebis winaaRmdegi,<br />

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muslimebi da Tu es me-<br />

CeTi agebuli iqneba qarTuli<br />

arqiteqturiT, moirTveba qar-<br />

Tuli ornamentebiT! magram kategoriuli<br />

winaaRmdegi var<br />

imisa, rom baTumSi meCeTi<br />

aaSenos ucxo qveynis xelisuflebam!<br />

me ar vici, rogor mimarTaven<br />

muslimebi sulier liders,<br />

magram rogorc rigiTi marTlmadidebeli,<br />

vekiTxebi baton<br />

jemal paqsaZes: _ batono jemal,<br />

rogorc saqarTvelos sa-<br />

patriarqom aRniSna, dRes saqarTveloSi<br />

100-mde meCeTi<br />

ukve agebulia da ra saWiroa<br />

kidev erTi, isic baTumis SuagulSi,<br />

Tundac qarTuli arqiteqturiT<br />

(es rogoria ar vici)<br />

da Tundac qarTuli ornamentebiT<br />

morTuli? aRsaniSnavia<br />

isic, rom zemoTaRniSnuli<br />

(100 meCeTis) meCeTebic, TurqeTis<br />

an sxva muslimuri qveynebidan<br />

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aSenda da aqamde ratom ar<br />

aprotestebdiT amas? anda, romel<br />

maTganzea qarTuli ornamentebi,<br />

romelime qarTuli<br />

arqiteqturiT nagebi da a.S.<br />

sainteresoa isic, Tuki Woroxis<br />

xeobaSi agebuli axali me-<br />

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agebuli, warmoidgineT<br />

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2004 wlis Semdeg aWaraSi<br />

aSenebuli meCeTebis ricxobrivi<br />

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isic vici, rom Turqebi<br />

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moyolebuli swored<br />

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ise kerZo biznesis gafarToebis<br />

TvalsazrisiTac da Zalian<br />

samwuxaroa, Tu es informaciebi<br />

Tqvenamde jer ar mosula!<br />

batono jemal! mogexsenebaT,<br />

rom aWara odiTganve mar-<br />

Tlmadideblobis akvani iyo.<br />

andria pirvelwodebuli<br />

aWaridan Semovida saqarTveloSi.<br />

svimon kananelmac igive gza<br />

gamoiara! maRalmTiani aWaris<br />

Tovlian gzebze modioda sa-<br />

qarTvelos gamqristianebeli<br />

wminda ninoc da dRes, igive<br />

mTian aWaraSi, Wadze rom<br />

jvars saxaven, is aWarlebic<br />

qristianebi iyvnen 300 wlis<br />

win. maTi STamomavali xarT<br />

Tqvenc da vfiqrob, es arc<br />

arasodes gaviwydebaT.<br />

ase, rom meCeTi, `qarTuli<br />

arqiteqturiT iqneba is nagebi,<br />

`qarTuli ornamentebiT iqneba<br />

Semkuli~ Tu sparsuliT, mainc<br />

meCeTia, marTlmadidebeli<br />

qristianuli qveynisTvis ucxo<br />

da erTi azizie iqneba is Tu<br />

danarCeni 100 meCeTi, miuRebelia.<br />

miTumetes ki miuRebelia<br />

maSin, roca amas saqarTvelos<br />

sapatriarqo aprotestebs, marTalia<br />

gvian magram mainc aprotestebs.<br />

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zemoT mogaxseneT, aWara-<br />

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Tis xelisufalTa aRviraxsniloba,<br />

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winaaRmdeg. Tu<br />

aWarel muslimTa sulieri<br />

lideric maT gverdiT iqneba<br />

amas ra ajobebs?<br />

Sen ki, Cemo murman! uCemodac<br />

kargad ici, sad mdebareobs<br />

meufe dimitris rezidencia,<br />

da im mRvdelmsaxurebsac<br />

mSvenivrad icnob, romlebsac<br />

amis gakeTeba sxvebze ukeT ZaluZT.<br />

mTeli baTumi, qobuleTi,<br />

xelvaCauri, xulo da qeda<br />

fexze unda daayenoT mamebo,<br />

dedebo da rigiTo morwmuneebo.<br />

kmara saqarTvelos nawilebad<br />

dagleja, kma-ra!<br />

irine gogosaSvili<br />

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saRadd mmoazrovne sazogaddoeba<br />

bolos dda bolos gaaccnobierebs<br />

imm safrTxxes, rommelicc<br />

Turquli eqspansiis saxxiT<br />

emmuqreba mmaT dda Tuki mmarTlacc<br />

eyofaT gammbeddaoba, Tuki ddaZleven<br />

SiSs dda quCaSi gammovlen,<br />

(ara mmxxolodd azizies mme-<br />

CeTis agebis winaaRmmddeg)), mmTeli<br />

saqarTvelo ummal mmaTTan<br />

gaCnddeba.<br />

xalxis azriT<br />

Tqven albaT ar xarT<br />

saqmis kursSi rom<br />

baton biZinas nebismieri<br />

saxiT akrZaluli<br />

aqvs daxmarebis gaweva, Cvenma<br />

“demokratiulma” xelisuflebam<br />

miiRo aseTi kanoni specialurad<br />

batoni biZinasTvis, ase<br />

rom es sayveduri erTiani nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis gverdze<br />

unda ganaTavsoT :)<br />

aRar gvinda policiis<br />

Senoba, gveyofa amdeni<br />

kanondamcveli,<br />

Cven samSoblos damcvelebi<br />

gvWirdeba da ara xelisuflebis<br />

damcvelni. isini policiis<br />

gareSec SesaniSnavad<br />

icaven Tavs, pirvelive safr-<br />

Txis moaxloebisas wiTeli xidisken<br />

Tavqudmoglejilni er-<br />

TmaneTs aswreben...<br />

“imedis“ uvici Jurnalistebisgasagonad,<br />

aseve, maTi sainformacios<br />

Sefis, mamaTmavlobaSi<br />

mudmivad eWvmitanili<br />

maTe kirvaliZis gasagonad:<br />

maia fanjikiZe manam, sanam<br />

irakli alasanias colis<br />

da gaxdeboda, iyo: guram fanjikiZis<br />

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fanjikiZis qaliSvili, sakmaod<br />

Zlieri germanisti da germaniis<br />

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mokled, imdeni qna<br />

telekompania imedma,<br />

rom Riad, daufaravad<br />

da aqtiurad daviwyeb<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis mxardaWeris<br />

kampanias! diax, arsebobs<br />

rigi sakiTxebi (Tumca, am<br />

SemTxvevaSi umniSvnelo), romelmac<br />

didad ar aRmafrTovana,<br />

magram am umsgavsobas da<br />

uzneobas bolo unda moeRos!<br />

uzneobas, romelsac fesvebic<br />

da boloc, (gnebavT, kenwero)<br />

daavadebuli, dampali aqvs! diiiiiiaax,<br />

dReidan calsaxad<br />

mxars vuWer biZina ivaniSvils!<br />

daviT baqraZem aRiaraa<br />

rom midian xelisuflebidan<br />

da biZina<br />

modis?!–baqraZe:”<br />

uaxloes periodSi aucileblad<br />

iqneba cxovrebis ukeTesi<br />

pirobebi”....:))))ho,daviT,hoo<br />

aucileblad iqneba Tqveni wasvlis<br />

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saqarTvelos policiam<br />

saqarTveloSi<br />

israelis elCis ic-<br />

xak gerbergis piradi mZRolis<br />

avtomobilis qveS damontaJebuli<br />

asafeTqebeuli mowyobiloba<br />

gaauvnebelyo. telekompania<br />

“real-tv”-s informaciiT,<br />

israelis elCis mZRolma<br />

roman xaCaturianma avtomobilis<br />

qveS skoCiT amokluri<br />

Savi paketi SeniSna. mas swrafad<br />

gamoZaxa sapatrulo policia,<br />

romelmac Tavis mxriv<br />

ganmanaRmvelebi gamoiZaxa. paketSi<br />

aRmoCnda yumbara, romelic<br />

maleve gaauvnebelyves. am-<br />

Jamad, specialur samsaxurebs<br />

avtomobili specialur sadgomze<br />

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mas swavloben. ar isvenebs<br />

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8<br />

saaTis Semdeg avtobusebi<br />

aRar imuSaveben...(komendantis<br />

saaTi daaweseT... barem)<br />

riTi aixsneba, rom<br />

nacebis liderebis<br />

umravlesobas ganieri<br />

TeZoebi aqvs? ki araferi,<br />

ubralod sainteresoa..<br />

naxevari saqarTvelo<br />

nagvis bunkerebSi<br />

iqeqeba sarCos mosapoveblad<br />

da es Cemis<br />

gadangreuli “istorikosebi”<br />

da “xelovnebaTmcodneebi” oSkio,<br />

gaiZaxian! ra “oSki”, ris<br />

“oSki”, saqarTvelo aRar dar-<br />

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Cvilebs nagvis yuTebSi yrian<br />

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dedebi da es Cemi codviT<br />

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mainc “oSkio” gaiZaxian.<br />

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gauforma “iranuli<br />

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am ieridan isini izruneben patimrebis<br />

“kitrebiT uzrunvelyofaze”.<br />

andaza: “miuCvevels<br />

nu miaCvev, miCveuls nu<br />

gadaaCvev”.<br />

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10 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

prezidentis fotoze fexis<br />

demonstraciuli dabijeba!<br />

_ mrisxaned JRerda<br />

`qronikis~ qronikuli ciliswamebis<br />

morigi da Cveuli<br />

gamovlineba, magram rom ar<br />

daubijebia biZina ivaniSvils<br />

Zirs dadebuli Tu gafenili<br />

prezidentis fotosTvis, ra<br />

vqnaT axla?<br />

erTni amboben, goga xaindrava<br />

ukiJinebda ivaniSvils,<br />

miSas suraTs daabijeo, meoreni<br />

amboben, ara, iuri vazagaSvili<br />

dasZaxodao, _<br />

ra mniSvneloba aqvs,<br />

ivaniSvilma prezidentis<br />

fotos ar<br />

daabija, plakatis<br />

kideze gadaiara, isic,<br />

albaT, imitom,<br />

rom sxva gasasvleli<br />

ar iyo mikrofon-<br />

Tan misasvlelad, xalxs<br />

xom ver gadaafrindeboda<br />

Tavze?<br />

`qronikisgan~ rom araferia<br />

gasakviri, ukve didi xnis<br />

cnobili ambavia, magram saku-<br />

Tari uZvlo informacia rom<br />

TviTonve gaaqarwyla, rogorc<br />

faqti gviCvenebs, ver<br />

mixvda. `qronikam~ zedmiwevniT<br />

skrupulozulad daafiqsira<br />

wiTeli rgoliT ivaniSvilis<br />

fexi, romelic aranairad<br />

ar exeba prezidentis gamosaxulebas,<br />

plakatis maqsimalurad<br />

qveda kide aqvs aRebuli.<br />

es iqiT iyos, TviT faqtze<br />

vTqvaT, _ mxolod saakaSvilis<br />

ki ara, mTeli nacmoZraobis<br />

wevrebisa da maTi axloblebis<br />

fotoebze dauvlian<br />

davlurs gamwarebuli<br />

adamianebi, magram es ra gamovlineba<br />

iyo?<br />

momitevos yvelam, iq myofma,<br />

magram saZulveli mmarTvelis<br />

reJimisadmi gamoxatuli<br />

`antimiSisturi rituali~<br />

saocrad waagavda ivaniSvilisadmi<br />

dagebul provokacias.<br />

SeiZleba es gauazreblad<br />

moxda, magram arc imis gamoricxva<br />

SeiZleba, rom viRacam,<br />

sxvebze moqnil-gaqnili<br />

gonebisam moifiqra amgvari<br />

ram.<br />

Cemi subieqturi azria, _<br />

SeiZleba daxio saZulveli<br />

adamianis foto, daWmuWno,<br />

anda sulac sanagve urnaSi<br />

gadaagdo, magram zed ibuqnavo<br />

aRtyinebulma? _ ara, miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom TviT<br />

prezidentma mTel ers realurad<br />

daabija, miuRebelia...<br />

`qronikis~ qronikuli suliskveTebidan<br />

gamomdinare,<br />

cxadze ucxadesi xdeba, rom<br />

kortebTan Sekrebilebze metad<br />

zura vazagaSvilis<br />

mkvlelobaSi braldebuli<br />

xelisuflebis umaRles pirs<br />

(pirebs) eameboda ivaniSvils<br />

rom prezidentis gamosaxulebisTvis<br />

daebijebina. ratomRac<br />

iseTi STabeWdileba<br />

damrCa, rom sainformacio gamoSvebis<br />

teqsti ukve gamzadebuli<br />

iyo da gadakeTebaze<br />

Tavi aRaravin Seiwuxa, an ubralod,<br />

CaTvales, rom batoni<br />

ivaniSvili prezidentis<br />

gamosaxulebas aucileblad<br />

daabijebda da Tvalic aRar<br />

miudevnebiaT, bolo-bolo<br />

daabija Tu ara. Tu es eWvi<br />

erTgvarad misaRebia, maSasadame,<br />

gamodis, rom dagegmili<br />

`ritualis~ Sesaxeb imden<br />

xalxs scodnia da imas, ram-<br />

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~<br />

internetSi<br />

www.saertogazeti.net<br />

SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze<br />

vin mouwyo provokacia biZina ivaniSvils<br />

zura vazagaSvilis xsovnisadmi<br />

miZRvnil aqciaze da vin Txovda<br />

saakaSvilis fotoze fexis dabijebas?<br />

densac saWiro iyo rom scodnoda,<br />

xolo visgan _ ai,<br />

sakiTxavi!<br />

faqtia, kadrSi Cans batoni<br />

ivaniSvilis wamierad Sem-<br />

`igrikas~ satelituri sadguri<br />

TbilisSi dazianebuli Camovida<br />

sazogadoebrivi moZraoba<br />

„qarTuli ocnebis“<br />

xelmZRvanelis biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

meuRlis ekaterine<br />

xvedeliZis kuTvnili<br />

Sps „igrikas“ 450 000 evros Rirebulebis<br />

moZravi satelituri sadguri TbilisSi dazianebuli<br />

Camovida. ivaniSvilis kuTvnili „qar-<br />

Tu jgufis“ sabaJo samsaxuris xelmZRvanelis<br />

vladimer xundaZis gancxadebiT, satelituri<br />

sadguri baTumis portSi sabaJo kontrolis<br />

zonaSi dazianda da CarTva ver xerxdeba, xolo<br />

litvuri kompaniis warmomadgeneli, romlidanac<br />

SeiZines sadguri, acxadebs, rom gamogzavnamde<br />

igi muSaobda. xundaZis informaciiT,<br />

baTumSi aparatura daluquli Camovida,<br />

xolo „qarTu jgufis“ warmomadgenlebi saba-<br />

Joze ar dauSves, rac, misi TqmiT, qarTuli<br />

kanonmdeblobis darRvevaa, radgan mflobelis<br />

uflebamosili piris gareSe tvirTis Semow-<br />

cbari saxe, gamometyvelebaze<br />

aweria, rom misTvis moulodneli<br />

iyo msgavsi `ritualis~<br />

Sesrulebis daZaleba.<br />

diax, gamosaxulebac kargad<br />

Cans da xmac kargad ismis<br />

`daabije! daabije!~<br />

batoni ivaniSvilis<br />

kortebTan misvlamde<br />

prezidentis<br />

gamosaxulebas daabijes<br />

Tu ar daabijes<br />

iq myofebma, ucnobia,<br />

magram mas<br />

rom ar unda daebijebina<br />

da ar daabija,<br />

mxolod misasalmebelia.<br />

imdenad salaparakodaa<br />

gamxdari biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

pirovneba, rom prezidentis<br />

gamosaxulebaze fexis dabijeba<br />

ki ara, is gaxda salaparako,<br />

unda misuliyo Tu<br />

ara kortebTan;<br />

`qronikas~ marTlac ra-<br />

Rac ukurnebeli seni Seeyara,<br />

ukve fobiaSi gadasuli, ivaniSvili<br />

rom ar axsenon,<br />

gulyra daemarTebaT. Turme<br />

`imedsRa~ ukavSirdebian ivaniSvilisgan<br />

gakotrebuli<br />

koleqtivebi da `imedsRa~<br />

SesCivian imediT. kaci iseT<br />

xalxs exmareboda, TvaliT<br />

rom ar unaxavs, mxolod saxeli<br />

gaugia maTi; iseT saSviliSvilo<br />

saqmes akeTebda<br />

CrdilSi myofi, azradac rom<br />

ar mosvlia bevrs da es kaci<br />

iTvisebda sxvis or goj miwas?<br />

_ samarcxvinoa...<br />

ratom hgonia viRacas,<br />

rom masiurad Caagoneben<br />

xalxs, mxolod `SevardnaZis<br />

epoqaSi~ iyvnen xelisuflebis<br />

cru mowmeebi, axal saqarTveloSi<br />

msgavsi ar xdebao?<br />

aizila saqarTveloSi<br />

saqarTvelo...<br />

aqtiurobidan gamomdinare,<br />

baton iuri vazagaSvilsac<br />

rom ar adgas kargi dRe,<br />

imedia, icis, _ is, rom bevr<br />

sxvaTa msgavsad Svilmokluli<br />

mSobelia, ar aZlevs imis<br />

`imunitets~, rom eWvSeuta-<br />

nelia misi Svilis mkvlel<br />

xelisuflebasTan farul<br />

kavSirSi. diax, veravin amosdebs<br />

lagams im enas, romelsac<br />

saxelmwifo manqana hqvia<br />

da romelic ise gamarTulad<br />

muSaobs, rogorc mzis amosvla<br />

da mTvaris Casvla.<br />

sainteresoa, icis Tu ar<br />

icis batonma vazagaSvilma,<br />

rom sazogadoebaSi ukve Cagdebulia<br />

misi saxelisa da<br />

reputaciis Semlaxveli Tesli,<br />

rom mas meore Svilic<br />

hyavs da gaafrTxiles Tu<br />

daariges, ar dagaviwydes<br />

eso?<br />

meba ar SeiZleba. sabaJoze sxvadasxva saxis<br />

teqnikis dazianebis Sesaxeb ivaniSvilis<br />

pressamsaxuri informacias adrec avrcelebda.<br />

maT am problemebis Sesaxeb detaluri informacia<br />

diplomatiuri korpusis warmomadgenlebsac<br />

gaacnes. sakabelo qseliTa da TanamgzavriT<br />

mauwyeblobis uflebis mqone Sps „igrika“<br />

ekaterine xvedeliZis kompania „aqceptma“<br />

12 dekembers iyida. rogorc ivaniSvilis<br />

pressamsaxurSi acxadeben, axali telekompania,<br />

savaraudod, martis bolos daiwyebs mauwyeblobas.<br />

amJamad mosamzadebeli samuSaoebi<br />

mimdinareobs.<br />

Tbilisis didi nawili sasmeli<br />

wylis gareSea darCenili<br />

kompania `jorjian uoTer end faueris”<br />

cnobiT, aragvis xeobaSi Zlierma yinvam dRes<br />

avariulad daaziana wiwamurSi gamavali foladis<br />

ori - 1400 mm-iani me-6 da me-7 magistraluri<br />

wyaldeni. magistraluri wyaldenebis<br />

dazianebis gamo wylis miwodeba Sewyve-<br />

icis Tu ara, batonma vazagaSvilma,<br />

rom kortebTan<br />

SekrebisTanave uswrafesad<br />

gavrcelda xma, vazagaSvili<br />

provokacias uwyobda mavanTa<br />

davalebiT ivaniSvils, magram<br />

mTlad ise ar gamouvida, rogorc<br />

Cafiqrebuli iyoo?<br />

icis Tua ra, batonma vazagaSvilma,<br />

rom dayril<br />

xmebs, ragind usafuZvlo da<br />

amazrzeni iyos, mainc hyavs<br />

`muStari?~<br />

diax, amboben, vazagaSvils<br />

rom xelisuflebidan `dabro~<br />

ar hqondes micemuli, im<br />

`jazus~ or wamSi Camoamxobdnen<br />

Tavzeo?<br />

icis Tu ara, batonma va-<br />

zagaSvilma, rom imasac amboben,<br />

samwuxaroa, axalgazrda<br />

biWebi rom iRupebian, magram<br />

ra aris daujerebeli, ratom<br />

ar SeiZleba, rom manqanaSi<br />

Cacxrilulebs marTlac<br />

hqondaT ganzraxva visime dayaCaRebisa,<br />

yvela damnaSave<br />

xom viRacis Sviliao...<br />

asea, es saqarTveloa!<br />

mkacri realobaa, ojaxis<br />

tragedia yovelTvis ojaxSive<br />

rCeba, garedan mxolod<br />

TanagrZnobaa da isic sakiTxavi,<br />

gulwrfeli Tu<br />

yalbi...<br />

maia WeliZe<br />

tili aqvs: sofel gldans, “koniakisa” da<br />

gldanulas dasaxlebebs; sarajiSvilis, Ciqvanaias,<br />

andronikaSvilis, revoluciis, biWvin-<br />

Tisa da maT mimdebare quCebs, gldanis masivis<br />

IIIa, V, VI, VII, VIII m/raionebsa da Temqis III<br />

m/raions, zahesSi `saqhidromSenis~<br />

sacx. korpusebi;<br />

sasjelaRsrulebis departamentis<br />

gldanis sapatimros.<br />

wyali SeferxebiT miewodeba<br />

nucubiZis ferdobebs, vaJafSavelas<br />

kvartlebs, bagebs,<br />

wyneTs, kikeTs, tabaxmelas,<br />

kojorsa da wavkis;s wyalmomarageba dabali<br />

wneviT xorcieldeba: mTawminda-krwanisis raionSi.<br />

`jorjian uoTer end fauerSi~ acxadeben,<br />

rom, kompania Seecdeba sareabilitacio<br />

samuSaoebis Catareba SesaZleblad mokle<br />

droSi daasrulos da CamoTvlil dasaxlebebsa<br />

da quCebs wyalmomarageba xval dilidan<br />

etapobrivad aRudginos.<br />

`medianiusi~

#06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

mmimmddinare politikur proccesebze<br />

vesaubrebiT ``mmwvaneTa<br />

partiis~~ lidders _ baton<br />

gia gaCeCilaZes<br />

_ batono gia, rogor SeafasebdiT<br />

obama saakaSvilis<br />

Sexvedras?<br />

_ ukve mniSvnelovani dro<br />

dgeba, qveyanaSi unda Catardes<br />

saparlamento arCevnebi, rac<br />

momavali wlis saprezidento<br />

arCevnebis ganmsazRvreli iqneba.<br />

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eTer kasreliSvili<br />

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12 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

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mmoovvuuwwooddeebb __ ssaaRRaadd SSeexxeeddoonn ssiittuuaacciiaass,,<br />

oobbiieeqqttuurraadd aaRRwweerroonn<br />

mmoovvlleenneebbii ddaa nnuu iiqqnneebbiiaann mmxxaarreeeebbii,,<br />

nnuu aaaammRRvvrreevveenn wwyyaallss,, TTuunn-<br />

ddaacc nnaawwyyeennii iiyyvvnneenn mmaasszzee,, vviiss SSeessaaxxeebbaacc<br />

wweerreenn..<br />

erT gazeTTan bolo dros<br />

gamwvavebuli urTierToba maqvs<br />

da misi Jurnalistebi daundoblad<br />

masxamen lafs.<br />

levan Rvinjilia, Turme,<br />

sukis agenti yofila. rogori<br />

,,agentia” Rvinjilia, amas male<br />

yvela gaigebs. xe nayofiT icnobao,<br />

naTqvamia: Turme sukisgan<br />

mqonia ,,davalebuli”, rom 1979<br />

wlidan moyolebuli qveynis<br />

saxelmwifo enis movla-patronobaze<br />

mezruna, saqarTvelos<br />

televiziiT meqadaga es ideebi<br />

da warbSeuxrelad memxilebina<br />

rusuli enis sasargeblod qar-<br />

Tulis ignorirebis faqtebi<br />

(Tanac, sabWoTa saqarTveloSi,<br />

gagania komunistobis dros),<br />

mogvianebiT ki Semeqmna ,,enis saxelmwifo<br />

palata” da kidev,<br />

qarTuli xalxuri simReris<br />

samsaxurSi gamelia mTeli cxovreba<br />

_ maS, gaumarjos amis-<br />

Tana agentebs!<br />

_ am procesebSi ra rols<br />

unda asrulebdes sazogadoeba?<br />

_ xSirad msmenia: ,,,,ssaadd aarriiss<br />

ssaazzooggaaddooeebbaa,, rraattoomm xxmmaass aarr<br />

iiRReebbssoo??””.. rroommeellii ssaazzooggaaddooeebbaa??<br />

__ ssaammooqqaallaaqqoo ssaazzooggaaddooeebbaa CCvveenn-<br />

SSii iisseevvee aarr aarriiss CCaammooyyaalliibbeebbuullii,,<br />

rrooggoorrcc - qqaarrTTvveellii eerrii..<br />

saqarTvelos dRevandelisazogadoebrioba<br />

hgavs arasrulwlovan,<br />

umweo bavSvs,<br />

romelsac fexze gavlac<br />

ki ar SeuZlia jer<br />

normalurad. nacvlad<br />

imisa, rom xeli Cahkidos,<br />

fexze daayenos,<br />

siaruli aswavlos,<br />

weli gaamarTvinos,<br />

Rirseul moqalaqeTa<br />

erTobliobad Camoayalibos,xelisufleba<br />

Zalmomreobs masze.<br />

nebismieri gaupatiureba<br />

sisxlis samarTlis<br />

danaSaulia, magramarasrulwlovnisa<br />

gansakuTrebiT mZimea<br />

da miutevebeli.<br />

dRevandeli xelisufleba am<br />

yovlad dasagmob da uxams na-<br />

bijsac ar erideba, riTac<br />

utifrad ryvnis moqalaqeTa<br />

sazogadoebriv cnobierebas. arsebuli<br />

xelisuflebis crupentelobas<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

gundi upirispirebs piruTvnel<br />

simarTles. ivaniSvili ambobs _<br />

nebismier SemTxvevaSi, mosaxleobam<br />

simarTle unda icodes, simarTle<br />

ar unda davmaloTo. winaaRmdeg<br />

SemTxvevaSi, es danaSaulis<br />

tolfasi qmedebaa, rrooccaa<br />

ssaammooqqaallaaqqoo ssaazzooggaaddooeebbaa jjeerraacc<br />

CCaammooyyaalliibbeebbiiss ssttaaddiiaaSSiiaa,, SSeenn<br />

kkii aamm ddrrooss mmiissii uummeeccrreebbiiTTaa ddaa<br />

uummwweeoobbiiTT ssaarrggeebblloobb,, rraaTTaa xxeelliissuufflleebbaa<br />

mmooiirrggoo ddaa iiyyeellyyeellaaoo..<br />

unda damTavrdes saxelmwifoobanas<br />

TamaSi. iseTi qveyana<br />

unda avaSenoT, sadac yvela<br />

Cvens erovnul, tradiciul Rirebulebas,<br />

faseulobas SevinarCunebT<br />

da msoflioSi mimdinare<br />

globalur procesebSic<br />

CaverTvebiT.<br />

_ amas winaT erTi interviu<br />

wavikiTxe, sadac respondenti<br />

werda _ gvegona, ivaniSvili dapirispirebul<br />

adamianebs Soris<br />

xids gadebda, igi ki mxolod<br />

konkretuli, liberaluri segmentis<br />

lideria da ara qveyniso.<br />

_ biZina ivaniSvili rom<br />

SemTxveviTi pirovneba ar aris,<br />

imedia, amaSi eWvi aRaravis epareba.<br />

bevrs, SeiZleba, igi nanaxic<br />

ar hyavda, magram misi saqmeebi<br />

aSkarad metyvelebdnen masze,<br />

rac saSualebas gvaZlevs<br />

davaskvnaT, rom es adamiani daufiqrebel,<br />

mouzomav nabijebs<br />

ar dgams, mas yovelTvis zedmi-<br />

`marTalia, misi sajaro gamosvlebi jerjerobiT ar gamoirCeva<br />

iseTi enamoswrebulobiTa da oratoruli sisxartiT, rogorc saakaSvili,<br />

an Salva naTelaSvili `garekaven~ xolme, magram Cven<br />

unda davakvirdeT, Tu ra rangis siwrfele da simarTle modis ivaniSvilisgan<br />

da amasve iTxovs igi politikur partniorTaganac~.<br />

wevniT kargad aqvs gaazrebuli<br />

is, rasac akeTebs. Zalian bevri<br />

ram mis ganzraxvaSi SeiZleba<br />

jerac ar iyos bolomde gaSifruli.<br />

erT-erT satelevizio<br />

gamosvlaSi man rusTavelisa da<br />

baraTaSvilis ramdenime cnobili<br />

striqoni moixmo, riTac<br />

konkretuli miniSnebebi gaakeTa<br />

sakuTar msoflmxedvelobaze.<br />

man daimowma rusTaveli (`rasaca<br />

gascem Senia, rac ara, dakargulia~),<br />

magram ar dauzustebia,<br />

ras niSnavs es misTvis.<br />

amitom sasurvelia, es Tavad gaviazroT<br />

da gavixsenoT, rom am<br />

sityvebiT mianiSnebs rostevani<br />

axladgamefebul TinaTins, Tu<br />

rogor unda moiqces igi, raTa<br />

Zlieri qveynis warmatebuli<br />

mmarTveli iyos.<br />

_ magram biZina ivaniSvilma<br />

ukve gaavlo sademarkacio xazebi<br />

da mkafiod gamoxata, Tu<br />

visTan erTad surs am gzis gagrZeleba<br />

da visTan _ ara.<br />

_ diax, marTali brZandebiT.<br />

ra Tqma unda, igi dRes erTm

#06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

niSvnelovnad ambobs, rom calkeul<br />

subieqtebTan ar iTanamSromlebs.<br />

vecadoT, amaSi davinaxoT<br />

ara romelime politikosis<br />

an gaerTianebis axirebuli diskriminacia,<br />

aramed Sorsgamiznuli<br />

strategiuli miniSnebebi.<br />

Tu mis pirvel gancxadebas gavixsenebT,<br />

man ganaxorciela seriozuli<br />

,,wertilovani dartymebi”<br />

konkretul ,,obieqtebze”.<br />

risTvis iyo es saWiro? _ Cemi<br />

azriT, amiT man moaxdina sazogadoebrivi<br />

yuradRebis maqsimaluri<br />

mobilizeba, riTac naTqvams<br />

gansakuTrebuli mniSvneloba<br />

SesZina. Semdeg am ,,dartymis<br />

obieqtebis” mimarT damokidebulebebi<br />

ramdenadme Secvala.<br />

erT-erT bolo interviuSi batoni<br />

biZina ambobs kidec _ rodesac<br />

me da levan berZeniSvili<br />

erTmaneTs SevxvdiT, gadavexvieT<br />

da dRes Tanamoazreebi var-<br />

To. ilia WavWavaZis mimarT damokidebuleba<br />

Seicvala Tu ara<br />

levan berZeniSvilma, es calke<br />

sakiTxia, magram iq (masa da baton<br />

biZinas Soris) urTierTobebi<br />

dalagda. biZina ivaniSvil-<br />

Tan siamtkbilobiT Cemi urTierTobac<br />

ar dawyebula, magram<br />

arsebiTia erTmaneTis danaxvis<br />

unari da saerTo miznebis msaxureba.<br />

vinc micnobs, icis, rom<br />

mkveTri gamonaTqvamebi maxasia-<br />

Tebs, magram mTavari is ki ar<br />

aris, ra simZafriT gamovxatav<br />

ama Tu im mosazrebas, aramed<br />

ramdenad marTalia is, rasac<br />

vambob. Tu biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

erT romelsame Tanagundels miaCnia,<br />

magaliTad, rom afxazeTi<br />

arasdros ar unda iyos damoukidebeli<br />

saxelmwifo, xolo<br />

misi sxva Tanagundeli sapirispiros<br />

fiqrobs, maTi erTad<br />

moRvaweoba ar SeiZleba. an kidev,<br />

me Tu vambob, rom saqarTvelo<br />

qarTulenovani saxelmwifo<br />

unda iyos, xolo viRaca<br />

mimtkicebs, ara, batono, inglisuri<br />

unda viswavloT da msoflio<br />

moqalaqeebad CamovyalibdeTo,<br />

cxadia, Cven erT gundSi<br />

ver davrCebiT da amas erT-er-<br />

Ti Cvengani unda ,,Seewiros”.<br />

_ bolo dros Seicvala ivaniSvilis<br />

damokidebuleba quCis<br />

mimarT da gaCnda azri, rom mas<br />

SeiZleba radikalebic Semouer-<br />

Tdnen. Tumca irakli alasania<br />

acxadebs _ yvela, burjanaZis<br />

gardao. ramdenad sworia opoziciuri<br />

speqtris dayofis ase-<br />

Ti taqtika?<br />

_ am konteqstSic erT saintereso<br />

detals mivaqcevdi yuradRebas.<br />

davakvirdeT ivaniSvilis<br />

strategiul nabijebs,<br />

calkeuli svlebis Taviseburebebs.<br />

Rrmad var darwmunebuli,<br />

rom ivaniSvili gamadidebeli<br />

SuSiT akvirdeba yvela niuanss,<br />

rac mis garSemo xdeba. mas situacia<br />

zedmiwevniT kargad aqvs<br />

Seswavlili. rac Seexeba burjanaZesTan<br />

urTierTobas _ Tavidan<br />

sakmaod agresiuli komentari<br />

gaakeTes ,,respublikelebmac”<br />

da ,,Tavisufali demokratebis”<br />

lidermac. mere es Tema<br />

TiTqos miwynarda. igive adamianebi,<br />

romlebic ambobdnen, burjanaZesTan<br />

ar viTanamSromleb-<br />

To, imavdroulad aRniSnavdnen,<br />

rom, Tu arCevnebi keTilsindisierad<br />

Catardeba, maSin ,,nacmoZraobasTanac”viTanamSromlebTo.<br />

roca, Tundac Teoriulad,<br />

,,nacmoZraobasTan” TanamS-<br />

romloba SesaZleblad migaCnia,<br />

iq ra mosatania burjanaZesTan<br />

TanamSromlobis SesaZlebloba<br />

_ SeuZlebloba?!.<br />

ivaniSvilma daazusta Tavisi<br />

kidev erTi strategiuli gadawyvetileba<br />

_ Tavidan poziciaTa<br />

sxvadasxvaobis safuZveli<br />

iyo is, rom burjanaZe quCis aqciebs<br />

uWers mxars, ivaniSvilma<br />

ki kategoriulad uaryo igi.<br />

Tumca, ukanasknel dReebSi batoni<br />

biZina ambobs, rom, Tu sa-<br />

Wiro gaxdeba, quCis aqciebs mimarTavs<br />

arCevnebis Semdeg, burjanaZes<br />

ki saakaSvilis pirobeb-<br />

Si Catarebuli samarTliani ar-<br />

Cevnebisa ar sjera da manamde<br />

unda aqciebis, rogorc zemoqmedebis<br />

saSualebis, gamoyeneba.<br />

meCveneba, rom burjanaZis poziciebi<br />

TandaTan dauaxlovdeba<br />

ivaniSvilisas. iqneb es swored<br />

imaze migvaniSnebs, rom erT<br />

mSvenier dRes, SesaZloa, TanamoazreTa<br />

koaliciur gundSi<br />

`saxalxo kreba~ da nino burjanaZec<br />

aRmoCndebian? yovel<br />

SemTxvevaSi,<br />

biZina ivaniSvilma<br />

amisTvis perspeqtiva<br />

gaxsna da igi TandaTan<br />

eris erTian liderad<br />

yalibdeba, magram ara<br />

emociiT, ara droSebis<br />

frialiTa da yviriliT<br />

(rogorc es<br />

xdeboda ,,vardosanTa”<br />

SemoWrisas) _ aba, lideri<br />

movedi da qudze<br />

kaci gamodiTo, aramed<br />

nel-nela, nabij-nabij,<br />

Tanamimdevrulad,<br />

Tanac ise, rom, vinc SigniT<br />

”orguli” da ,,axsnili” iyo,<br />

yvela ,,daaba” (,,uxvi axsnilsac<br />

daabams, igi TviT ebis, vin<br />

ebis”).<br />

minda mkiTxvelis yuradReba<br />

mivapyro erT saintereso detals,<br />

rac biZinas axasiaTebs;<br />

igi zogjer ambobs _ me ar vici<br />

es sakiTxi, magram specialistebs<br />

SevekiTxebio. zogi misi<br />

oponenti ki amaze qilikobs:<br />

_ rogor, Sen ginda qveynis me-<br />

Tauri iyo da uamrav rameze ambob,<br />

rom ar ici? iciT, ratom<br />

iqmneba aseTi azri? _ CCvveenn<br />

ggvvyyaavvss ddRReess pprreezziiddeennttii,, rroommeellmmaacc<br />

,,,,yyvveellaaffeerrii iicciiss””.. aarraaddaa,,<br />

qqvveeyynniiss pprroobblleemmaa sswwoorreedd aamm<br />

,,,,yyoovvlliissmmccooddnneeoobbaaSSiiaa’’,, rrooddeessaacc<br />

aamm eerrTTmmaa ddaa ggaannuummeeoorreebbeellmmaa yyvveellaaffeerrii<br />

iicciiss ddaa aarraavviiss aarraaffeerrss<br />

aarr eekkiiTTxxeebbaa.. kkoommppeetteennttuurroobbaa kkii<br />

iissaaaa,, rrooccaa ggaaqqvvss uunnaarrii,, ssaaqqmmiiss<br />

nnaammddvviillii ssppeecciiaalliisstteebbii SSeemmooiixxvviioo<br />

ddaa yyoovveellmmxxrriivv<br />

aawwoonniillii ddaa ggaaaazzrreebbuullii<br />

ggaaddaawwyyvveettiilleebbaa<br />

mmiiiiRRoo..<br />

kidev erTi ram<br />

mindoda meTqva: rogorc<br />

presidan SevityveT,<br />

ucxoeTSi<br />

gadaxvewili valeri<br />

gelbaxianis sneuli<br />

deda sarecelsaa mijaWvuli<br />

da Svils<br />

ar eZleva SesaZlebloba<br />

momakvdavi deda<br />

inaxulos. kaci<br />

ixveweba, Tavdebad<br />

damideqiT da sulTmobrZavi<br />

deda manaxe-<br />

To. warmogidgeniaT,<br />

ra donis araadamianuri<br />

saqcielia _<br />

dedas sikvdilis win ar misce<br />

Sansi, rom sakuTari Svili<br />

gulSi Caikras da ise aRmoxdes<br />

suli. nuTu es ase Znelia qveynis<br />

prezidentisTvis? xom vaJkaci<br />

xar da Tavmomwone lideri,<br />

adeqi da gamoacxade xmamaRla,<br />

rom Camovides valeri<br />

gelbaxiani saqarTveloSi garkveuli<br />

droiT da mieces saSualeba<br />

momakvdavi dedis monaxulebisa.<br />

roca gindoda, xom<br />

mSvenivrad moaxerxe Seni eqsministris<br />

ucxoeTSi gapareba da<br />

axla viTom interpoliT eZeb?<br />

_ rogor warmogidgeniaT,<br />

batono levan, ivaniSvilis gundi<br />

marTla xmaTa paritetis<br />

dacviT iRebs gadawyvetilebebs?<br />

_ biZina ivaniSvilis gundSi<br />

gaerTianebuli partiebis liderebi<br />

Tavidan ambobdnen, samive er-<br />

Tad viRebT gadawyvetilebebso.<br />

realurad vin ambobs saboloo<br />

sityvas, es Soridanac Zalian<br />

kargad Cans _ biZina ivaniSvilis,<br />

irakli alasaniasa da daviT usufaSvilis<br />

xmebi Tanabari namdvi-<br />

lad ar aris. maspinZeli Tavis<br />

ojaxSi Tamadad sxvas rom daayenebs,<br />

es imas sulac ar niSnavs,<br />

rom man ojaxis ufrosobaze uari<br />

Tqva da sufraze, romelic mis<br />

ojaxSi iSleba, pasuxismgebeli<br />

Tavad ar aris. axla koaliciaSi<br />

azrs, albaT, kobasac ekiTxebian,<br />

zviadsac da sxvebsac, magram gana<br />

yvela maTganma ar icis, rom Tundac<br />

10 lideris xmas erTi biZinas<br />

xma gadaswonis? ramdenadac<br />

mosalodnel Sedegze<br />

mTeli pasuxismgebloba<br />

ivaniSvilis kiserzea.<br />

danarCenebi mas-<br />

Tan midian ise, rogorc<br />

deda futkarTan midis<br />

skis mTeli Semadgenloba<br />

da danarCen futkrebs<br />

aravin ekiTxeba,<br />

deda futkari sad moindomebs<br />

gafrenas. roca<br />

is skidan gamodis, absoluturad<br />

yvela mas mihyveba,<br />

imitom, rom ,,misi<br />

sityva kanonia”.<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

rakiRa skaSi absoluturi<br />

wesrigia, amitomac aris futkrebis<br />

erToblivi garjis Sedegi<br />

_ Tafli. arada, ,,amaze<br />

kargi ra unda iyos, kacs Tafli<br />

misce da RmerTs sanTeli?”...<br />

_ rogor fiqrobT, rogori<br />

wesrigia biZina ivaniSvilis ska-<br />

Si, Sedegi Tafli iqneba?<br />

_ wesrigi namdvilad iqneba,<br />

rasac mikarnaxebs baton biZinas<br />

xasiaTze dakvirveba. vecnobi<br />

komentarebs, romelTac is ake-<br />

Tebs da mrCeba STabeWdileba,<br />

`saqarTvelos dRevandeli sazogadoebrioba hgavs arasrulwlovan, umweo bavSvs, romelsac<br />

fexze gavlac ki ar SeuZlia jer normalurad. nacvlad imisa, rom xeli Cahkidos,<br />

fexze daayenos, siaruli aswavlos, weli gaamarTvinos, Rirseul moqalaqeTa erTobliobad<br />

Camoayalibos, xelisufleba Zalmomreobs masze. nebismieri gaupatiureba sisxlis samarTlis<br />

danaSaulia, magram arasrulwlovnisa gansakuTrebiT mZimea da miutevebeli.~<br />

rom es kargad gaazrebuli komentarebia.<br />

heses mixedviT, adamians<br />

aqvs orgvari ,,me” _ pirovnuli<br />

da sazogadoebrivi.<br />

sazogadoebrivi ,,me”, anu adamiani<br />

- sazogadoebis TvaliT danaxuli,<br />

Zalian sainteresoa.<br />

miT ufro sainteresoa, Tu adamianis<br />

pirovnuli da sazogadoebrivi<br />

,,me” erTmaneTTanaa daaxloebuli.<br />

biZina ivaniSvili is<br />

SemTxvevaa, rodesac<br />

pirovnuli ,,mesgan” misi<br />

sazogadoebrivi<br />

,,me” didad ar gansxvavdeba.<br />

imitom, rom igi<br />

,,TavisTvisac” da sazogadodac<br />

swored<br />

iseTia, rogoric Cans;<br />

misi Sinagani simarTle, sakuTar<br />

TavSi darwmunebuloba,<br />

siRrmiseuli gansjisa da<br />

skrupulozuri analizis saocari<br />

unari ukve gamomJRavnebulia,<br />

igi marTali adamiania. man<br />

icis, rasac akeTebs. gavixsenoT<br />

karolinas werili TaraS emxvarisadmi:<br />

`mamakacisTvis Zalian<br />

mniSvnelovania, icodes ra<br />

unda. arzayanma es iciso~. darwmunebuli<br />

var, biZinamac icis<br />

ra unda da, Tu Cvenc is gvinda,<br />

rasac igi gvTavazobs, maSin<br />

gavyveT mas! am SemTxvevaSi, xelisuflebas<br />

kidev erTxel eZleva<br />

Sansi, Rirseulad moiq-<br />

`biZina ivaniSvili is SemTxvevaa, rodesac pirovnuli ,,mesgan”<br />

misi sazogadoebrivi ,,me” didad ar gansxvavdeba. imitom, rom igi<br />

,,TavisTvisac” da sazogadodac swored iseTia, rogoric Cans~.<br />

ces, moxsnas yvelanairi xelovnuri<br />

dabrkoleba, vaJkacurad<br />

gamovides tatamze da<br />

saqveynod gamarTos politikuri<br />

Widili ise, rom saqarTvelos<br />

arc erT mcxovrebs am<br />

Serkinebis namdvilobaSi eWvi<br />

ar Seeparos... da ara ise, axalwlis<br />

Rames biWebma saCxereSi,<br />

koncertis msvlelobisas _<br />

,,biZinas gaumarjoso” rom daiZaxes<br />

da amis gamo daasisxliane,<br />

kidurebi daulewe da amis<br />

mere Sen xar demokratiis mama?<br />

Suqura?! _ ar mjera da momkali!<br />

kategoriulad ar veTanxmebi<br />

koba daviTaSvils _ nu ge-<br />

SiniaT, yvelas yvelaferi Ser-<br />

Cebao. ras hqvia SerCebaT? robaqiZis,<br />

vazagaSvilis, girgvlianis<br />

sikvdili SerCeba vinmes?!<br />

Cven verasdros viqnebiT marTlebi<br />

sakuTar TavTan, Svileb-<br />

Tan, arc Rirseuli qveyana<br />

gveqneba, Tu samarTlianobas ar<br />

vazeimebT.<br />

<br />

Tamar SveliZe<br />

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14 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

iinntteerrvviiuu mmwweerraall<br />

merab SaTiriSvilTan<br />

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gaxda, 7 noembers<br />

ivaniSvilis naCuqari `dubinkebiT~<br />

da momwavleli gaziT<br />

dagvarbieso da ara mxolod 7<br />

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_ amazea saubari, xom unda<br />

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mdgomareobidan da politikur<br />

sarbielze gadawyvita<br />

Semosvla.<br />

_ batono merab, qalbaton<br />

maia fanjikiZeze, rogorc<br />

irakli alasanias cilis daze<br />

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rogorc batoni biZinas<br />

Secdomaze, gansakuTrebuli<br />

xazgasma xdeba, _ ras ityviT<br />

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_ rom gaviazre, marTebulad<br />

da sworad CavTvale misi<br />

gadawyvetilebebi. magaliTad,<br />

gadaxedeT alasanias partias,<br />

viqtor doliZe iqneba, roman<br />

kusiani, abaSiZe da a. S. es is<br />

xalxia, vis qarTvelobaSic<br />

eWvs ver Seitan da augs ver<br />

ityvi maTze. mere ra, rom ma-<br />

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maia fanjikiZis danaSaulia,<br />

rom alasanias<br />

colis da aris?<br />

alasania aris aliansSi baton<br />

biZinasTan. alasanias gundisa<br />

da `qarTuli ocnebis~<br />

gadawyvetilebaa, rom erTad<br />

iyvnen da ra mniSvneloba aqvs,<br />

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politikiT, magram es<br />

politika Tu ar gaatare aSSsTan,<br />

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liberaluri Rirebulebebisadmi<br />

midrekileba, (evropisTvisac<br />

asea) im moedanze ver<br />

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is partiebi, romelTac batoni<br />

biZina uxmobs, Tu CvenTvis<br />

gamaRizianebelia, es niSnavs,<br />

rom saakaSvilisTvisac<br />

gamaRizianebelia, amdenad, pi-<br />

ufaso sasadiloSi jerjerobiT<br />

mxolod xuTi usaxlkaro dabinavda<br />

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moqalaqeebs zamTris civ<br />

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yinvebis periodSi qalaqis yvela raionSi mdebare<br />

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da cxeli sadilis miRebas.<br />

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wvlili SevitanoT saerTo<br />

brZolaSi.<br />

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ityviT, rogor mogewonaT?<br />

_ xedavT, daaswro xelisuflebam<br />

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`edp-is~ saxiT `mesame Zala~.<br />

jansaRi mesame Zalis Seqmna gamoricxulia.<br />

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darCenil partiebs, baton<br />

kaxa kukavas da qalbaton nino<br />

burjanaZes, me ar vfiqrob,<br />

rom isini Seqmnian kidev raRac<br />

axal Zalas. vfiqrob, isini daelodebian<br />

procesebs, romelic<br />

ganviTardeba `qarTuli<br />

ocnebis~ garSemo, ipovian misasvlel<br />

gzas da Seitanen TavianT<br />

wvlils borotebis partiis<br />

(rasac nacionaluri partia<br />

hqvia) damarcxebaSi.<br />

_ xelisufleba `muSaobs~,<br />

dRe ar gava, raRac ar aCvenon<br />

televiziiT, sadac batoni iva-<br />

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romlebic wami wamze iwereba<br />

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maTTvis kargi SedegiT<br />

dasruldeba? – ara. amas<br />

qarTveli xalxi iseve moiTmens,<br />

rogorc Tavad batoni bi-<br />

Zina iTmens, magram moiTmens<br />

arCevnebis dRemde. saakaSvili<br />

veranairi xerxiT arCevnebs<br />

ver moigebs. ara mxolod saqarTveloSi,<br />

yvelgan da yvelasTvis<br />

naTeli iqneba siyal-<br />

be. qarTveli xalxi ukve Tavad<br />

ivaniSvils aiZulebs, rom gamovides<br />

quCaSi. miSa wabrZandeba<br />

zustad im meTodiT, ra<br />

meTodiTac mobrZanda.<br />

_ batono merab, Tu oficialurad<br />

gaformda `nacmoZraobis~<br />

gamarjveba, mere raRa azri<br />

aqvs protests?<br />

_ ar gaformdeba! Tu maT<br />

eyolebaT egzitpolebi, iqneba<br />

misi analogiuric da am or-<br />

TabrZolas gadahyveba kidec<br />

saakaSvili, _ rogorc adre<br />

iyo, ise aRar iqneba. SigniT<br />

imitom ibrZvis drakonuli kanonebiT,<br />

rom biZina ivaniSvili<br />

ver gautoldes Tavisi SesaZleblobebiT,<br />

magram misi `mondomeba~<br />

gareT aRar gaWris. misi<br />

pir-kampania da misi cru<br />

dividendebi rom gamoaaSkaravdes,<br />

vfiqrob, am flangisTvis<br />

sWirdeba baton biZinas `respublikelebi~<br />

da garkveulwilad,<br />

alasanias partiac, xolo<br />

SigniT, xalxi daabalansebs<br />

saakaSvilTan urTierTobas da<br />

xalxi gascems iseT pasuxs,<br />

rogoric saWiroa.<br />

_ batono merab, ar geCvenebaT,<br />

rom Cveni erovnuloba mainc<br />

sadRac aris Cakarguli?<br />

_ biZina ivaniSvilis erovnuli<br />

faqtori da qarTveloba<br />

mis namoqmedarSia. misi gakeTebuli<br />

saqmeebi amboben, rom is<br />

aris wminda qarTuli movlena.<br />

rac Seexeba amerikuli Tu evropuli<br />

speqtrisTvis gakeTebul<br />

gancxadebebs, _ warmoidgineT,<br />

rom man maT dauwyos saubari<br />

am WrilSi, `me da Cemi<br />

qarTveli eri, marTlmadideblebluri<br />

tradiciis mqone~ da<br />

a. S _ gagiJdebian, ar mousmenen.<br />

warmoidgineT, axla ambobs,<br />

rom Cven nato-Si Sesvla<br />

gvinda, SeiZleba, pirovnulad<br />

mas es unda; Cveni jariskacebi<br />

rom avRaneTSi arian, miesalmeba,<br />

dRes es politikurad momgebiania...<br />

saqme imaSia, rom batonma<br />

biZinam rom es pozicia ar daiWiros<br />

aSS-Tan, faqtiurad,<br />

qarTveli xalxis winaaRmdeg<br />

wava, magram, merwmuneT, rogorc<br />

ki saakaSvili xelisuflebas<br />

Camoscildeba, es da<br />

sxva mniSvnelovani sakiTxebi<br />

qarTvel erTan SeTanxmdeba.<br />

maia WeliZe<br />

bunebrivi airiT oTxi adamiani moiwamla<br />

wuxel TbilisSi, vazisubnis dasaxlebaSi bunebrivi<br />

airiT oTxi adamiani moiwamla.<br />

sami mcirewlovani bavSvi<br />

da deda ingoroyvas saxelobis<br />

klinikaSi gadaiyvanes,<br />

pirveladi daxmarebis<br />

Semdeg bavSvebi saxlSi gaweres,<br />

Tumca deda kvlav<br />

saavadmyofoSi rCeba. rogorc<br />

eqimebi amboben, misi<br />

mdgomareoba mZimea. ,,pacients<br />

aReniSneboda naxSirJangis toqsikuri efeqti.<br />

gulisrevis SegrZneba, Tavbrusxveva. hqonda gonebis<br />

kargvis epizodic, dabinduli cnobierebiT. Catarda<br />

saTanado toqsigenoTerapia“, – ganacxada eqimma soso<br />

maisuraZem.<br />

winaswari informaciiT, bunebrima airma arasworad<br />

damontaJebli gamaTboblidan gaJona.<br />

`medianiusi~

#06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi<br />

interviu `kavkasiis helsinkis<br />

jgufis~ erT-erT damfuZnebelTan<br />

Salva xaWapuri-<br />

ZesTan<br />

_ batono Salva, `qarTuli<br />

ocnebis~ e.w. koalicia Tanda-<br />

Tan farTovdeba, ivaniSvili gafantul<br />

opozicias Tavs uyris?<br />

_ `respublikelebi~ ambobdnen,<br />

_ morCa, metad veRaravin<br />

Semogvematebao, magram naxavT,<br />

kidev bevri Seva `qarTul ocnebaSi~.<br />

is ki ara, ar gamovricxav,<br />

nino burjanaZec vixiloT<br />

male ivaniSvilTan. magram,<br />

mimaCnia, rom mTavari, rac<br />

unda gaakeTos ivaniSvilma<br />

`qarTul ocnebaSi~, erovnul<br />

Zalebs unda mouyaros Tavi.<br />

_ romel erovnul Zalebs<br />

gulisxmobT?<br />

_ magaliTad, axlaxan Cven<br />

SevqmeniT `kavkasiis helsinkis<br />

jgufi~. zviad gamsaxurdiasa<br />

da merab kostavas nakvalevze<br />

me, gia feraZem, sandro brega-<br />

Zem da kidev ramdenime adamianma<br />

CavuyareT safuZveli arasam-<br />

Tavrobo organizacias da SemovikribeT<br />

erovnulad ganwyobili<br />

xalxi. es aris organizacia,<br />

romelic imuSavebs adamianis<br />

uflebebisa da erovnuli<br />

interesebis dacvaze.<br />

_ amaswinandel interviuSi<br />

Tqven TqviT; biZina ivaniSvils<br />

ubedurebas umzadebeno, ras<br />

gulisxmobdiT?<br />

_ imas vgulisxmobdi _ nacionlebi<br />

gatrunuli rom arian,<br />

gulxeldakrefili am gegonoT-meTqi.<br />

es aris, kriminalTa<br />

banda da araa gamoricxuli, esrolon<br />

ivaniSvils.<br />

batoni biZina ar aZlevs<br />

sababs, Torem Casafrebuli<br />

arian, rogorc<br />

ki sababi miecemaT,<br />

maSinve daartyamen.<br />

_ edp-is yrilobaze qardavam<br />

gamoacxada mesame koaliciis<br />

Seqmnis Sesaxeb, danarCeni<br />

ori _ nacionalebi da `qarTuli<br />

ocneba~ mtrebad moixsenia<br />

da erovnul Zalebs gaerTianebisken<br />

miuwoda.<br />

_ Cemo kargo, xelisufleba<br />

kvlavac Seecdeba axali Zalebis<br />

da koaliciebis Seqmnas _<br />

SeiZleba meoTxe Zala da meSvide<br />

Zalac Seiqmnas, magram,<br />

mTavaria, ra Zala iqneba es. Tu<br />

mTavari Zalebis konsolidacia<br />

ar moxda `qarTul ocnebas-<br />

Tan~, jer erTi, rom araferi<br />

gamova da meorec, es Zalebi<br />

Tavs ar daitoveben TamaSgare<br />

mdgomareobaSi. erovnuli Zalebi,<br />

ZiriTadad, qveynis moyvaruli<br />

upretenzio xalxia da am<br />

reJimis damarcxeba uangarod<br />

undaT.<br />

_ batono Salva, rogor<br />

fiqrobT, politikaSi fulia<br />

mTavari?<br />

_ bzeJinskim daaxloebiT<br />

erTi wlis win gamoaqveyna statia,<br />

sadac igi ambobs, rom ideologiebma<br />

daamTavres hegemonoba<br />

da wina planze wamovida<br />

fuli. bzeJinskisgan gamikvirda<br />

amis aRiareba, magram saintereso<br />

iciT, ra aris? maxsovs patarkaciSvilTan<br />

modioda uamravi<br />

adamiani da ambobda _ ar<br />

gvinda fuli, gvabrZoleT am<br />

reJimis winaaRmdeg. es muxti<br />

namdvilad iyo, Cemi TvaliT<br />

maqvs yvelaferi nanaxi.<br />

RmerTma gaanaTlos batoni<br />

badris suli, Tbiliseli ebraeli<br />

iyo, pativsacemi kaci, magram<br />

es qarTvelia, damlageblad<br />

da muSad namuSevari...<br />

ruseTSi wlebis win erT<br />

axlobels Sevxvdi, umdidresi<br />

kacia _ CadeT qarTul opoziciaSi<br />

fuli-meTqi rom vuTxari,<br />

mtrediviT gaitruna. am<br />

fonze rom kaci Cndeba, aravin<br />

rom arafers avaldebulebs da<br />

Tavisi survilis mixedviT iwyebs<br />

aseT saqmes, es dasafasebeli<br />

ambavia.<br />

imedi maqvs, batoni<br />

biZina rom mova xelisuflebaSi,<br />

erovnuli<br />

saxelmwifo maSin Camoyalibdeba.<br />

imis gafiqrebisac ki meSinia,<br />

es rom ar moxdes, ra gveSveleba.<br />

quCebSi Cagvcxrilaven<br />

es unamusoebi. imaze sastikad<br />

moiqcevian, rogorc adre, patarkaciSvilis<br />

periodSi momitingeebs<br />

armaturis rkinebiT<br />

rom gvcemdnen da Tqve uriebis<br />

mxardamWereboo, rom gveZaxdnen.<br />

_ Tqven ori wlis win ivaraudeT<br />

ivaniSvilis gamoCena<br />

qarTul politikaSi, raze dayrdnobiT<br />

ganacxadeT es?<br />

_ mkiTxaoba namdvilad ar<br />

damiwyia. ubralod, logikurad<br />

mivedi am daskvnamde _ badri<br />

patarkaciSvili mokluli iyo.<br />

diax, ase mgonia dRemde, rom<br />

badri amaT mokles. ivaniSvili<br />

iyo is adamiani, romelsac asobiT<br />

eklesia-monasteri hqonda<br />

aSenebuli, akeTebda uamrav sikeTes<br />

qveynisTvis. adamiani roca<br />

amden rames akeTeb, SeuZlebelia,<br />

es gakeTebuli saqmeebi,<br />

ase vTqvaT, wyalSi gadayaro da<br />

ukan ar mouxedo.<br />

maSin me levan vasaZezec<br />

vlaparakobdi, magram vasaZem<br />

sajarod ganacxada uari politikur<br />

moRvaweobaze,<br />

Tumca dRes Tqveni<br />

gazeTis saSualebiT<br />

xmamaRla minda ganvacxado<br />

_ araa gamoricxuli<br />

levan vasaZe<br />

Semovides qarTul politikaSi.<br />

mere ar mkiTxoT, saidan<br />

icodio (icinis). logikuria es<br />

daskvnebi.<br />

_ Tu Tqvenc migaCniaT, rom<br />

xelisufleba arCevnebis gziT<br />

unda Seicvalos, ratom ideqiT<br />

maisis mitingebis dros burjanaZesTan<br />

erTad?<br />

_ am reJimis Secvla CemTvis<br />

umTavresi da principuli<br />

sakiTxia. maSin, ase vTqvaT,<br />

brZolis velze viyaviT da arsebobda<br />

informacia, rom viRac<br />

Seewireboda amas.<br />

erT monasterSi dapatimrebuli<br />

momitingis colma mogvianebiT<br />

gamoaCina werili, sadac<br />

qmari werda: ar darCeT 26 maisis<br />

Rames mTavrobis saxlTan,<br />

mkvlelobaa dagegmilio.<br />

25 maiss Sekrebaze me davayene<br />

sakiTxi. ras vakeTebT-meTqi,<br />

konkretuli gegma moviTxove.<br />

dameTanxmeba amaSi soso<br />

jaWvliani, luka kurtaniZe,<br />

sxvebi. ar arsebobda gegma. ma-<br />

Sin me haagis sarCeli SevTavaze<br />

_ msoflios davumtkicoT,<br />

rom aucilebelia am kacis sisxlis<br />

samarTlebrivi devna ganxorcieldes-meTqi.<br />

aravin dami-<br />

Wira mxari, is ki ara, dResac<br />

arc erT opoziciur partias<br />

ara aqvs xeli mowerili haagis<br />

sarCelze.<br />

arc arasdros apirebda<br />

da arc axla<br />

apirebs saakaSvili<br />

sadme wasvlas, Cemi<br />

azriT, igi parlamentisTavmjdomareobisTvis<br />

emzadeba,<br />

radgan es ar aris is kaci,<br />

premier-ministris savarZelSi<br />

`moisvenos~ da qveynis saqme<br />

akeTos, magas seirnoba uyvars<br />

da parlamentis Tavmjdomareobas<br />

airCevs, meti saSualeba eq-<br />

neba xan aRma iyos, xan-daRma.<br />

_ raime msgavsebas xedavT<br />

patarkaciSvilsa da ivaniSvils<br />

Soris? cxadia, politikuri<br />

saqmianobis paralelebs vgulisxmob.<br />

_ mimaCnia, rom es ori adamiani<br />

mkveTrad gansxvavdeba er-<br />

TmaneTisgan. jer erTi, rom<br />

cxonebuli badri patarkaciSvili<br />

sazRvargareT iyo da iqedan<br />

xelmZRvanelobda procesebs,<br />

es saqarTveloSia da cxa-<br />

dia, meti Sansi aqvs<br />

aRiqvas realoba.<br />

erTi incidenti maxsendeba,<br />

roca batonma<br />

badrim Setyobineba gamoagzavna.<br />

valeri gelbaxianma<br />

rom naxa,<br />

gamoacxada _<br />

ar gewyinoT,<br />

magram jerjerobiT<br />

veravis ganaxebT<br />

ra<br />

weria aqo<br />

da Caketa<br />

seifSi saguldagulod.<br />

mere<br />

Tqva_ me<br />

da gogla<br />

Jvania wavalTbatonbadrisTan<br />

da<br />

Camosvlis<br />

Semdeg yvelafersmogaxsenebTo.daaxloebiT<br />

2 saaTSi<br />

gelbaxiani london-<br />

Si gadafrinda, magram<br />

wasuli ar iyo,<br />

yvela sainformacio<br />

saSualebam gamoacxada<br />

im programis Sesaxeb,<br />

romelic valerim seifSi<br />

Caketa. patarkaciSvilis<br />

StabSi Zalian<br />

araorganizebuli situacia<br />

iyo.<br />

_ bolos gairkva vin<br />

gaavrcela es informacia?<br />

_ ki, CavatareT patara<br />

kvlevasaviT da erTma adamianma<br />

Tqva: me gavavrcele es informacia<br />

da ver vxvdebi, ratom<br />

unda damemalao.<br />

magram ufro saintereso is<br />

aris, rom socialuri SeRava-<br />

Tebis ganxorcielebas badri<br />

Tavisi jibidan apirebda, xolo<br />

maSindeli kanonmdeblobiT es<br />

akrZaluli gaxldaT. male<br />

axalgazrda iuristTa asociaciam<br />

Seitana sarCeli _ moxseniT<br />

patarkaciSvili saarCevno<br />

registraciidano.<br />

ivaniSvils Tu moqalaqeoba<br />

daubrunes, es niSnavs<br />

rom mis winaaRmdeg<br />

veraguli gegma<br />

ukve SemuSavebulia<br />

male politikaSi levan<br />

vasaZec gamoCndeba<br />

isini aseve iTxovdnen<br />

nacmoZraobis kandidaturis<br />

moxsnasac,<br />

sasamarTlom. orive datova<br />

registraciaSi.<br />

maSin vTqvi, kacs raRac<br />

ubedurebas umzadeben<br />

eseni-meTqi.<br />

rac moxda mere,<br />

yvelam naxeT.<br />

_ Tqveni azriT,saakaSvili<br />

daubrunebs<br />

moqalaqeobas<br />

biZina ivaniSvils?<br />

_ Cemi azriT,<br />

Tu iva<br />

n i S -<br />

vils moqalaqeoba<br />

ar<br />

daubrunes,<br />

es niSn<br />

a v s ,<br />

rom gadamw<br />

y v e t i<br />

brZolisTvisxelisufleba<br />

jer kidev<br />

araa mzad,<br />

riTac gaa-<br />

Wianurebs<br />

dros, xolo<br />

Tu daubrunesmoqalaqeoba,<br />

es imis maniSnebeli<br />

iqneba, rom<br />

maT ukve aqvTveraguligegma<br />

da mimdinareobs<br />

am gegmis<br />

nel-nela ganxorcieleba.<br />

iranda<br />

kalandaZe<br />

15

16 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

,,saerTo gazeTs~ ,,qqalTa partiis~<br />

lideri guguli maRraZe<br />

esaubra.<br />

_ qalbatono guguli, ratom<br />

gadawyviteT koaliciaSi gawevrianeba,<br />

ra mizani gaqvT?<br />

_ qarTul politikaSi biZina<br />

ivaniSvilis saxiT, roca gamoCnda<br />

mniSvnelovani figura<br />

Tavisi moraluri avtoritetiT,<br />

gonierebiT, gamocdilebiT da<br />

Tundac finansuri SesaZleblobebiT,<br />

bunebrivia, saqarTvelos<br />

,,qalTa partia~ samarTlianobis,<br />

TanasworobisaTvis miesalma mis<br />

gadawyvetilebas da gamoacxada<br />

_ misi mxardamWeri iqneboda.<br />

migvaCnia, rom es aris saqarTvelos,<br />

rogorc normaluri saxelmwifos<br />

ganviTarebis da gadarCenis<br />

TiTqmis bolo Sansi<br />

da yvela wesieri qarTvelis movaleobaa,<br />

rac SeuZlia yvelaferi<br />

gaakeTos axali politikuri<br />

Zalis mxardasaWerad.<br />

_ koaliciaSi ra formatiT<br />

erTiandeba ,,qalTa partia~.’ es<br />

iqneba individualurad, Tu mTlianad<br />

partiuli struqtura?<br />

_ baton biZinasTan Sexvedrisas<br />

visaubreT TanamSromlobis<br />

yvela SesaZlo variantebze. er-<br />

Ti ram ukve dadgenilia, Cven<br />

gveqneba mWidro TanamSromloba<br />

partiul doneze. piradad maqvs<br />

SeTavazeba, gavxde batoni biZinas<br />

axladSeqmnili partiis wevri.<br />

CemTvis Zalian sasixaruloa,<br />

radgan es niSnavs did ndobas<br />

da amasTanave did pasuxismgeblobas<br />

im seriozul da sastik<br />

brZolaSi, rac Cven mogviwevs am<br />

reJimis dasamarcxeblad, romelic<br />

yvelaferze wamsvlelia Tavisi<br />

Zalauflebis SesanarCuneblad.<br />

_ qalbatono guguli, ratom<br />

SedixarT sxva partiaSi, roca<br />

Tqven gqondaT partia da misi<br />

lideri iyaviT. ratom dadga sxva<br />

partiaSi gadasvlis aucilebloba?<br />

_ ar aqvs mniSvneloba, magaliTad,<br />

me romeli partiis kuTvnileba<br />

viqnebi. mTavaria, Tu ra<br />

jobia mocemul situaciaSi saerTo<br />

saqmis gasamarjveblad.<br />

_ koaliciis muSaobaSi uSu-<br />

guguli maRraZe:<br />

gamarjvebis gareSe arc erT politikur<br />

subieqts ar aqvs aranairi momavali<br />

alod ra roli eqneba ,,qalTa<br />

partias”?<br />

_ ,,qalTa partiaSi~ aris araerTi<br />

ganaTlebuli, gonieri da<br />

patrioti, romlebic Seasruleben<br />

yvela im samuSaos, rac saWiro<br />

iqneba am rTuli brZolis<br />

mosagebad. Kkonkretuli davalebebi<br />

da funqciebi dazustdeba<br />

ivaniSvilis partiis Seqmnis da<br />

koaliciis strategiis da taqtikis<br />

SemuSavebis procesSi.<br />

_ ra gadawyvetileba miiReT<br />

orive mxarem imisTvis, rom Tqveni<br />

erToba Semdgariyo?<br />

_ urTierTTanamSromlobis<br />

konkretuli forma, cxadia, SemogvTavaza<br />

TviTon batonma biZinam.<br />

darwmunebuli var, saqarTvelos<br />

,,qalTa partiis~ yrilobaze,<br />

romelic Catardeba Tebervlis<br />

bolos, kidev erTxel damtkicdeba,<br />

rom Cveni partiis yvela<br />

wevri mTeli energiiT da<br />

mondomebiT CarTuli iqnebian<br />

koaliciis saqmianobaSi, radgan<br />

erToblivi TanamSromlobis<br />

farglebSi ufro meti sasargeblo<br />

saqmis gakeTebis SesaZlebloba<br />

gveqneba.<br />

_ qalbatono guguli, rogor<br />

fiqrobT, am etapze poli-<br />

saqarTvelos ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis saministros,<br />

saqarTvelos mecnierebaTa erovnuli akademiis<br />

samoqalaqo seqtorsa da pedagogiur sazogadoebas<br />

ganaTlebis erovnuli kavSiris gamgeobis<br />

m i m a r T v a<br />

tikur koalicias gaaCnia saTanado<br />

resursi miaRwios warmatebas?<br />

_ vfiqrob, gaaCnia, ramdenadac<br />

aq aris yvela komponenti:<br />

opoziciis ZiriTadi nawili gaerTianebulia,<br />

saerTaSoriso sazogadoebisaTvis<br />

es erTianoba<br />

da misi politikuri lideri<br />

sruliad misaRebi da mxardasa-<br />

Weria. miuxedavad im Seferxebebisa,<br />

romelsac xelisufleba<br />

uqmnis, arsebobs saTanado finansuri<br />

resursi da rac mTavaria,<br />

didi ndoba xalxis mxridan bi-<br />

Zina ivaniSvilis da koaliciaSi<br />

gaerTianebul politikur Zalebis<br />

Tu individebis mimarT, rac<br />

warmatebis erT-erTi garantoria.<br />

_ bevrjer gvinaxavs opoziciis<br />

erToba, igive ,,aliansi,~<br />

opoziciuri 8, Semdgom 6, Tumca<br />

reluri Sedegi arasodes<br />

damdgara. ra iqneba garantori<br />

imisa, rom istoria aRar ganmeordeba<br />

da erTxel da samudamod<br />

opozicia miaRwevs gamarjvebas?<br />

_ batoni biZina. Zalian Zlieri<br />

faqtoria erTianobisaTvis<br />

misi avtoritetiT da SesaZleblobebiT<br />

sazogadoeba mkacrad<br />

pativcemulo qalbatonebo da batonebo!<br />

mogmarTavT sazogadoebrivi iniciativiT saqarTvelos skolebis ufrosklaselTaTvis<br />

saqarTvelos kanonis ,,zogadi ganaTlebis Sesaxeb” Sesabamisad, samoqalaqo ganaTlebis,<br />

liberaluri demokratiisa da samoqalaqo sazogadoebis principebis swavlebis mizniT saxelmwifosa<br />

da samoqalaqo sazogadoebis (profesiuli kavSirebi, arasamTavrobo organizaciebi<br />

da damoukidebeli eqspertebi) paritetuli TanamonawileobiT momzaddes saswavlo-meToduri<br />

kompleqsi ,,socialuri dialogis warmarTvis safuZvlebi demokratiul sazogadoebaSi”.<br />

Cveni kavSiri imedovnebs, rom saqarTvelos ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis saministro, saqarTvelos<br />

mecnierebaTa erovnuli akademia, samoqalaqo seqtori da pedagogiuri sazogadoeba<br />

urTierTTanamSromlobiT SeimuSaveben da daamkvidreben am saswavlo-meTodur kompleqss,<br />

riTac srulyofen saswavlo process saqarTvelos skolebSi.<br />

ganaTlebis erovnuli kavSiris Tavmjdomare<br />

giorgi amaSukeli<br />

P.S. saaqaarTveloSi aarsebuli mZaafri sociaaluri konfrontaaciis pirobebSi mozaardi<br />

TaaobisTvis myaari sociaaluri principebisaa daa saazogaadoebaaSi saammxrivi (saaxelmwifo, daamsaaqmebelTaa<br />

daa daasaaqmebulTaa gaaerTiaanebebi) diaalogis ideis gaansaaxorcieleblaad aaRniSnuli<br />

iniciaativaa aaucilebeli daa gaadaaudebeliaa. gaanaaTlebis erovnuli kaavSiri mzaadaaaa iTaanaamSromlos<br />

yvelaa saazogaadoebriv gaaerTiaanebaasTaan, vinc xelmZRvaanelobs qveyaanaaSi sociaaluri<br />

saamaarTliaanobis daamkvidrebis, SromiTi urTierTobis sociaaluri paartniorobisaa daa<br />

ekonomikuri demokraatiis koncefciiT. saaqaarTveloSi cvlilebebi SeiZlebaa gaanxorcieldes<br />

mxolod faarTo saamoqaalaaqo daa sociaaluri diaalogis saafuZvelze.<br />

moiTxovs opoziciisagan am brZolaSi<br />

gamarjvebas, radgan es<br />

aris TiTqmis bolo Sansi, rom<br />

qveyana bolomde ar CaiZiros iseT<br />

wyvdiadSi, saidanac aRaraa<br />

gamosavali. gamarjvebis gareSe<br />

arc erT politikur subieqtebs<br />

ar aqvs aranairi momavali. amas<br />

kargad acnobierebs Ykoaliciis<br />

yvela politikuri subieqti Dda<br />

es yvelaferi erTianobis mtkice<br />

safuZvelia.<br />

_ biZina ivaniSvilis faqtoris<br />

miuxedavad, jerjerobiT<br />

xalxSi ar arsebobs molodini,<br />

rom arCevnebis gziT Seicvleba<br />

xelisufleba. rogor apirebT<br />

eleqtoratis darwmunebas?<br />

_ TavisTavad arCevnebis gzas<br />

dRes meti momxre hyavs, radgan<br />

batoni biZinas Semosvla politikaSi<br />

ukve didi imedi da Sansia<br />

xelisuflebis arCevnebiT Secvlis<br />

gzaze. xelisSemwyobia sa-<br />

gareo faqtoric, radgan civilizirebuli<br />

dasavleTisaTvis<br />

politikosis mier ori vadis<br />

gasvlis Semdeg nebismieri maRali<br />

politikuri Tanamdebobis<br />

dakaveba (prezidenti, premier-ministri<br />

da sxva) miuRebelia.<br />

_ rogor fiqrobT, ,,nacmoZraoba~<br />

dauSvebs samarTliani,<br />

demokratiuli arCevnebis Catarebas?<br />

_ Tavisi nebiT ar dauSvebs<br />

da arc Caatarebs, magram opozi-<br />

ciis saTanado muSaoba, amomrCevlis<br />

simtkice da aqtiuroba, sagareo<br />

zewola, ver miscems im<br />

raodenobiT gayalbebis SesaZleblobas,<br />

rac maT sWirdebaT<br />

da risi imedic, SesaZloa, jer<br />

kidev aqvT.<br />

_ ukve gaxmaurda, rom winasaarCevnod<br />

mesame politikuri<br />

centris Seqmna igegmeba, rogor<br />

fiqrobT, es faqtori ramdenad<br />

kargia saerTo saqmisTvis, xom<br />

ar gamoiwvevs es amomrCevlis<br />

dabnevas?<br />

_ umjobesia, Tu raRac formiT<br />

yvela iseTi Zalis SeTanxmebuli<br />

(da SesaZloa, aragaerTianebuli)<br />

saqmianoba iqneba miRweuli,<br />

romlebic namdvilad warmoadgenen<br />

am xelisuflebis opozicias.<br />

_ qalbatono guguli, gavrcelda<br />

mosazreba, rom ,,respublikelebma~<br />

xalxs biZina ivaniS-<br />

vilis saxiT lideri waarTves.<br />

eTanxmebiT am mosazrebas da zogadad<br />

ramdenad asrulebs am etapze<br />

biZina ivaniSvili lideris<br />

funqcias?<br />

_ biZina ivaniSvili aris realuri<br />

lideri, is araa iseTi<br />

pirovneba, rom vinmem waarTvas<br />

lideroba, Tumca arc vfiqrob,<br />

vinmes hqondes amis survili an<br />

mcdeloba.<br />

miranda<br />

nabaxteveli<br />

nino burjanaZe: erToba ar niSnavs saparlamento<br />

siaSi adgilebis ganawilebaze vinmesTan konkurencias<br />

„saxalxo kreba“ yvela im ZalasTan Tu<br />

adamianTan, visac xelisuflebasTan brZola<br />

da qveyanaSi demokratiis damyareba realurad<br />

surs, TanamSromlobisTvis mzadaa“, _ es gancxadeba<br />

„saxalxo krebis“ aRmasrulebeli<br />

sabWos saxeliT misma wevrma nino burjanaZem<br />

krebisa da biZina ivaniSvilis „qarTuli ocnebis“<br />

SesaZlo TanamSromlobis Sesaxeb dasmuli<br />

kiTxvis sapasuxod gaakeTa. „rac Seexeba<br />

vinmesTan TanamSromloba/arTanamSromlobis<br />

sakiTxs, me gamovxatav aRmasrulebeli sabWos pozicias da vambob,<br />

rom saxalxo krebam araerTgzis gaakeTa gancxadeba yvela im ZalasTan<br />

Tu adamianTan, visac xelisuflebasTan brZola da qveyanaSi<br />

demokratiis damyareba surs, TanamSromlobisTvis mzad aris,<br />

magram imisaTvis, rom qveyanaSi arsebuli viTareba Seicvalos,<br />

aucilebelia, rom realuri erToba Sedges imisaTvis, rom xelisuflebis<br />

Secvla miRweul iqnas. erToba ar niSnavs saparlamento<br />

siaSi adgilebis ganawilebaze vinmesTan konkurencias, yvelas<br />

SeuZlia mSvidad iyos. „saxalxo kreba“ da TiToeuli Cvengani,<br />

Cven, moZraoba „TeTrebi“, sxvebi vlaparakobT im erTobaze, romlis<br />

Zalisxmeva da qmedebebi am qveyanaSi demokratiuli arCevnebis<br />

Catareba SesaZlebels gaxdis~, _ ganacxada burjanaZem.<br />

`medianiusi~

#06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

`qveynis xerxemal~ vano merabiSvils<br />

mixeil saakaSvili<br />

aRar swyalobs. bolo xans mas<br />

Turme samTavrobo da uSiSroebis<br />

sabWos sxdomebze aRar aswreben.<br />

undoblobis mizezad<br />

zogi biZina ivaniSvilis mier<br />

gakeTebul gancxadebas asaxelebs,<br />

sadac man sakmaod Tbilad<br />

moixsenia merabiSvili da gadadgomac<br />

urCia. realurad ratom<br />

Semoswyra saakaSvili mis<br />

sanaqebo ministrs, amis Zieba<br />

Sors wagviyvans. faqti erTia,<br />

merabiSvilis gavlena marTlac<br />

mkveTrad Semcirebula `mefis<br />

karze~.<br />

rogorc `saerTo gazeTs~<br />

sando wyarom acnoba, merabiSvilis<br />

mimarT uaryofiTi damokidebuleba<br />

saakaSvils ivaniSvilis<br />

gancxadebamde gacilebiT<br />

adre gasCenia. konstituciuri<br />

usafrTxoebis dacvis departamentsa<br />

(kudi) da specoperatiul<br />

departaments (sodi) Soris<br />

wlebis ganmavlobaSi arsebuli<br />

dapirispireba kidev ufro gaRrmavda.<br />

mogexsenebaT, sods merabiSvilis<br />

favoriti erekle<br />

kodua xelmZRvanelobda, romelic<br />

karga xania Camoalaborantes,<br />

xolo am samsaxurs uflebebi<br />

mkveTrad SeuzRudes. rac<br />

Seexeba policias, iq Turme Ss<br />

ganyofilebebs kudis TanamSromlebi<br />

akontroleben, anu am<br />

ganyofilebebis ufrosebs Zalaufleba<br />

mkveTrad SeuzRudes da<br />

mxolod daTa axalaias brZanebebs<br />

asruleben. saakaSvili<br />

Turme merabiSvilis axalaiaTi<br />

Canacvlebasac ki apirebda. er-<br />

Txelac saakaSvils vanos moxsna<br />

gadauwyvetia, magram gadaafiqrebines,<br />

radgan es policiis<br />

struqturaSi did rRvevas gamoiwvevda.<br />

marTalia, merabiSvili<br />

moxsnas gadaurCa, magram<br />

Tuki igi gadawyvets saakaSvilis<br />

politikuri mZevlobidan<br />

gaTavisuflebas, yvelaferi mzadaa<br />

imisTvis, rom es uwyeba axalaiam<br />

gadaibaroso. ise msgavsi<br />

SemTxveva 2006 wels irakli<br />

oqruaSvilTan dakavSirebiTac<br />

momxdara, roca morigi sahaero<br />

gaseirnebis dros mTvralma<br />

saakaSvilma Turme TviTmfrinav-<br />

Sive miiRo misi moxsnis gadawyvetileba,<br />

Semcvlelic daniSna,<br />

magram dafrenamde gadawyvetileba<br />

Secvala da oqruaSvili<br />

Tavdacvis ministris postze<br />

daabruna. mogvianebiT oqruaSvili<br />

mainc gaaTavisufles, rasac<br />

misi gaopozicionereba mohyva,<br />

Tumca gasuli wlis saprotesto<br />

gamosvlebis dros oqruaSvil-kiwmariSvilis<br />

tandemma,<br />

rom saakaSvilis interesebi Seasrula<br />

es aSkarad gamoCnda.<br />

konkretulad ra uTanxmoebas<br />

aqvs adgili nacelitaSi<br />

jerjerobiT ucnobia, magram<br />

Cveni wyaro am dapirispirebas<br />

dRes arsebul politikur vi-<br />

Tarebas ukavSirebs, Tundac<br />

imas, rom dasavleTma zurgi aqcia<br />

saakaSvils, rac misi aSS-is<br />

prezidentTan Sexvedris drosac<br />

gamoCnda. obama aseTi mcire<br />

xniT (15 wuTi) arcerTi qveynis<br />

pirvel pirs ar Sexvedria. es<br />

Sexvedra iseT STabeWdilebas<br />

tovebda, TiTqos prezidenti<br />

obama viRac rigiT adamians Sexvda,<br />

romelsac davaleba misca,<br />

mzad iyavi, rogorc ki damWirdebi,<br />

dagirekav da es saqme Semisruleo.<br />

rac Seexeba obamas<br />

mier gakeTebul gancxadebas,<br />

romlis inglisurenovani Canaweric<br />

vaSingtonis oficialur<br />

vebgverdze gavrcelda, aSS-is<br />

prezidenti rCevas aZlevs saakaSvils,<br />

rom unda moxdes xelisuflebis<br />

mSvidobiani tran-<br />

sformacia, rac Canacvlebas<br />

niSnavs da ara xelisuflebis<br />

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riTac yurebi gamogvi-<br />

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pirdapir misces davaleba, rom<br />

demokratiuli arCevnebi unda<br />

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rom amgvari arCevnebiT saakaSvili<br />

da misi gundi xelisuflebaSi<br />

veRar darCeba da sxva<br />

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es iyo pirdapiri mesiji, romelsac<br />

marto merabiSvili ki<br />

ara sxva bevri maRalCinosanic<br />

kargad mixvdeboda da gaigebda.<br />

vano merabiSvili am xelisuflebaSi<br />

erT-erTi Zlieri<br />

figuraa. man, savaraudod, dainaxa,<br />

rom dRevandel politikur<br />

situaciaSi arCevanis gakeTeba<br />

SeuZlia. wyaro am arCevanis sam<br />

versiaze saubrobs. pirveli –<br />

merabiSvili gadadges Tanamdebobidan<br />

da qveynidan wavides,<br />

Tumca amis gakeTeba Zalze gau-<br />

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popularobiT sargeblobs Tavad<br />

policiaSi, TanamSromlebisTvis<br />

igi vaJkaci da mzrunveli<br />

ministria. gaqceva mis fsiqologiur<br />

portretSi ar jdeba,<br />

radgan mas saxelovan policielad<br />

unda darCes, romelmac<br />

ase vTqvaT, safuZveli Cauyara<br />

Zlier policias. meore – dar-<br />

Ces saakaSvilTan, `gaapravos~<br />

arCevnebis Sedegebi da Zalismieri<br />

meTodebiT legitimacia SeunarCunos<br />

saakaSvilsa da nac-<br />

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~<br />

internetSi<br />

www.saertogazeti.net<br />

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ris gamo Semoswyra saakaSvili<br />

vano merabiSvils da ratom ar<br />

aswreben mas samTavrobo da<br />

uSiSroebis sabWos sxdomebze?<br />

moZraobas, magram imis Sansi,<br />

rom misTvis es yvelaferi kargad<br />

damTavrdeba, sagareo faqtorebidan<br />

gamomdinare, aris minimaluri.<br />

da mesame – mas SeuZlia<br />

gancxadeba gaakeTos, rom<br />

rac aqamde moxda saakaSvilis<br />

politikuri wnexis Sedegia. Tu<br />

Riad da gulwrfelad ityvis,<br />

ratom akeTebda amas, is sazogadoebisgan<br />

garkveuli saxis<br />

mxardaWera miiRebs da policiaSic<br />

gaizrdeba mis mimarT simpaTia.<br />

Tu movlenebi ase ganvi-<br />

Tarda, saakaSvils Zalze didi<br />

burji gamoecleba.<br />

mesame versiis SemTxvevaSi<br />

arsebobs ramdenime scenari Tu<br />

rogor SeiZleba movlenebi ganviTardes:<br />

1) merabiSvili, SesaZloa,<br />

daakavon daTa axalaias<br />

kontrolirebadma samarTaldamcavebma,<br />

radgan kontrolis palatas,<br />

romelic wlebis ganmavlobaSi<br />

dumda, mxolod `qar-<br />

Tul ocnebasTan~ dakavSirebiT<br />

amoidga ena suleluri gancxadebebis<br />

sakeTeblad, aucileblad<br />

eqneba informaciebi yvela<br />

uwyebis Sesaxeb, sad ra darRvevebia.<br />

gavixsenoT igive irakli<br />

oqruaSvilis SemTxveva, rogor<br />

daiwyes mis winaaRmdeg<br />

propaganda, romelsac safuZveli<br />

marTalia hqonda, magram mainc<br />

Zalze gaberes, Tanac im<br />

dros gaaxsendaT, roca oqruaSvili<br />

opoziciaSi gadabargda.<br />

merabiSvilis mimarTac aucileblad<br />

daiwyeba propaganda,<br />

rom is cudia da dasaWeria. misi<br />

dakavebis SemTxvevaSi, Tuki<br />

manamde xalxis simpaTiis mopoveba<br />

SeZlo merabiSvilma, SeiZleba<br />

erovnul gmiradac ki iqceso.<br />

merabiSvilis gavlenis Semcirebas<br />

albaT, isic mowmobs,<br />

rom Zalze male, daaxloebiT<br />

or TveSi Sss-s ramdenime<br />

struqturad daiSleba. amaze<br />

saubari 2008 welsac yofila.<br />

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi<br />

pirdapir Tu irib gancxadebebs<br />

akeTebdnen, rom ar SeiZleba<br />

erT uwyebaSi iyos Tavmoyrili<br />

uSiSroeba, kudi, sodi,<br />

sapatrulo policia, sazRvris<br />

dacvis samsaxuri, kriminaluri<br />

policia da a.S. es<br />

marTlac arasworia. sxvaTa<br />

Soris, xelisuflebis maRal-<br />

Cinosnebi, romlebic Sevardna-<br />

Zis mmarTvelobisas Tavs reformatorebs<br />

uwodebdnen, Tavad<br />

ukiJinebdnen Sss-s monstri<br />

struqturaa da unda daiSaloso.<br />

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis<br />

Semdeg ki Sss-s uSiSroebis<br />

da sxva samsaxurebic miu-<br />

erTes da marTlac monstrad<br />

aqcies, rac Zalze did problemas<br />

iwvevs. saSiSroebas<br />

qmnis, rom iseT qveyanaSi, rogoric<br />

saqarTveloa, SesaZloa,<br />

policiuri reJimi Camoyalibdes,<br />

rac realurad moxda kidec.<br />

Sss-s realurad veravin<br />

gaakontrolebs. arc samxedropolitikuri<br />

reJimis ganviTarebaa<br />

gamoricxuli, Tuki Tavdacvisa<br />

da Ss ministrebi garkveuli<br />

saxis SeTanxmebas miaR-<br />

weven. iyo saubari Sss-s orad<br />

an oTxad gayofaze. axla Turme<br />

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sqemiT moxdeba es dayofa, ucnobia.<br />

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kudi da albaT, sodic gamoeyofa<br />

merabiSvilis uwyebas, ri-<br />

Tac ecdebian policiis ase<br />

vTqvaT, gauvnebelyofas da saakaSvilis<br />

reJimis gaZlierebas.<br />

sapatrulo da kriminalur policiebs<br />

da sxva naklebad<br />

mniSvnelovan samsaxurebs merabiSvils<br />

dautoveben.<br />

sxvaTaSoris is informaciac<br />

vrceldeba, rom e.w. mosmenebis<br />

samsaxuri ukve didi xania<br />

merabiSvilis daqvemdebarebaSi<br />

aRar aris. swored mosmenebis<br />

samsaxuri da uSiSroeba aZlierebda<br />

yvelaze metad saakaSvilis<br />

xelisuflebas. marTalia,<br />

uSiSroeba-kudi struqturulad<br />

vano merabiSvils ekuTvnis,<br />

magram igi praqtikulad,<br />

verasdros akontrolebda am<br />

departamentis Sef daTa axalaias.<br />

axalaiebs Tavad preziden-<br />

saerTo gazeTi<br />

tTan aqvT uSualo kavSiri.<br />

swored merabiSvilis dasabalanseblad<br />

dauniSnavs saakaSvils<br />

Tavdacvis ministrad baCo<br />

axalaia. wyaros TqmiT, miuxedavad<br />

dasavleTis damokidebulebisa,<br />

saakaSvili mainc yvelanairad<br />

ecdeba arCevnebis gayalbebas.<br />

gayalbebis Semdeg dawyebuli<br />

radikaluri Zvrebis Sem-<br />

TxvevaSi igi darwmunebulia,<br />

axalaias ministrobis miuxedavad,<br />

jari mainc ar gamova xalxis<br />

winaaRmdeg. rac Seexeba sapatrulo<br />

policias, isini<br />

arasdros iyvnen agresiulni da<br />

uxeSebi xalxis mimarT. arasam-<br />

Tavroboebis patar-patara aqciebis<br />

dros xelmZRvanelebi dayvebian,<br />

rom aqciis organizatorebi<br />

daakavon, magram Tan bodiSs<br />

ixdian. igive iTqmis kriminaluri<br />

policiis TanamSromlebzec.<br />

kudelebi arian agresiulebi,<br />

isini gadadian fizikur<br />

Zaladobazeo.<br />

Zalze mniSvnelovania kudis<br />

Sefis moadgilis soso TofuriZis<br />

sakiTxi. ise Canda, rom<br />

igi mWidro koordinaciaSi iyo<br />

merabiSvilTan da swored misi<br />

saSualebiT akontrolebda merabiSvili<br />

formalurad mis<br />

daqvemdebarebaSi myof urC<br />

struqturas. axla es ukve saeWvoa.<br />

aSkaraa, rom TofuriZe<br />

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TofuriZe, rac iyo. rogorc<br />

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misi xeliT kudis gakontroleba.<br />

rac Seexeba sodis gavleniani<br />

Sefis `spiloebis sasaflaoze~<br />

mosrolas, wyaros cnobiT,<br />

amis ori mizezi arsebobs.<br />

pirveli es iyo badri patarkaciSvilTan<br />

dakavSirebuli skandali.<br />

maSin gaCnda pirveli undobloba<br />

koduas mimarT. sabolood<br />

ki kodua imitom daasamares,<br />

rom TiTqos man gaTqva<br />

informacia im `desantis~ Sesaxeb,<br />

romelic ukrainaSi saprezidento<br />

arCvenebis dros saqarTvelodan<br />

iulia timoSenkos<br />

mxardasaWerad gadaisroles.<br />

kodua merabiSvilis kacad<br />

moiazreboda, axalaias dabalansebas<br />

igi koduas departamentis<br />

meSveobiT cdilobda. am<br />

or samsaxurs Soris yovelTvis<br />

yofila qiSpoba, erTmaneTis<br />

funqciebSi xSirad iWrebodnen,<br />

erTmaneTs informacias ar awvdidneno.<br />

amitomac CamoiSora<br />

gavleniani metoqe axalaiam da<br />

yvelaze sagulisxmo is aris,<br />

rom kodua Tavad merabiSvils<br />

daasjevineso. cxadia, am yvelafriT<br />

merabiSvilis mimarT<br />

`mefes~ undobloba gauRvivda<br />

da misi Zliereba sagrZnoblad<br />

Seirya. vnaxoT, rogor ganvi-<br />

Tardeba movlenebi.<br />

manana suxiSvili<br />

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18 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

msoflio presis mixedviT<br />

ruseTs ar SeuZlia, saqarTvelo mxrebze wamoikidos<br />

obama-saakaSvilis Sexvedram<br />

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krZalavs samxedro TanamSromlobas<br />

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emigraciis (maSin es<br />

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`abreSumis gzis~ proeqtSi. axlaxan,<br />

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garemoSi mniSvnelovani cvlilebebi<br />

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20 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

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1990 wlis 28 oqtombers demokratiuli<br />

gziT arCeulma saqarTvelos<br />

respublikis uzenaesma sabWom 1991<br />

wlis 31 marts Caatara referendumi,<br />

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safuZvelze!<br />

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miRebul konstituciaSi Cawera:<br />

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referendumiT da 1991<br />

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aqtiT (Tavi pirveli, muxli 1)~.<br />

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Tvelos saxelmwifoebrivi damoukidebloba<br />

1918 wlis 26 maisis damoukideblobis<br />

aqtis safuZvelze?~<br />

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upasuxa 3 266 285-ma amomrCevelma da<br />

uari anu `ara~ _ ganucxada 17 400-ma<br />

kacma!<br />

1991 wlis 22 dekembers, demonuri<br />

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1992 wlebis cnobili movlenebi.<br />

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ocnebis damsxvreva.<br />

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saxe, forma da Sinaarsi?<br />

mainc, ra gamocana dagvitova Cven-<br />

Tvis ucnobma mxatvarma?<br />

pasuxi am kiTxvebisa, erTdroulad,<br />

gansacvifrebelia, amaRlebulia<br />

da aRmatebulia!<br />

aSkarad, TvalnaTliv gveubneba<br />

gveldezis wminda giorgi, rom adamianma,<br />

upirvelesad, sakuTari Tavidan,<br />

sakuTari arsebidan, sakuTari wiaRidan<br />

unda gamodevnos adamianuri yoveli<br />

codva! unda SeebrZolos! unda gauswordes!<br />

unda gaimarjvos! unda<br />

amaRldes!<br />

da, mxolod amis Semdgom miecema<br />

RvTisgan momadlebuli ufleba _<br />

sxvaTa darigebisa! sxvaTa swavlisa!<br />

ganwmendili adamianis gza ki danaxvisis<br />

udidesi madliTaa cxebuli!<br />

amgvar faseulobebzea dafuZnebuli<br />

dRevandeli saqarTvelos ocneba,<br />

romlis xorcSesxma amJamad iwyeba!<br />

qarTveli xalxi mzadaa WeSmariti<br />

aRmSeneblobis, aRmasvlisa da RvTaebrivi<br />

siyvarulisTvis!<br />

Rrmad gvwams, rom:<br />

`mZleveli ase sispetakiT mosili<br />

ivlis~.<br />

(ioanes gamocxadeba 3-5)<br />

jemal davlianiZe<br />

<br />

21<br />

qarTuli ocneba da mware gakveTilebi

22 saerTo gazeTi #06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

mogzauroba samSobloSi<br />

TorelTa<br />

gviandeli<br />

samkvidro<br />

TeZmis xeoba<br />

saqarTveloSi javaxianT (igive<br />

dris) cixeze Seuvali da ufro<br />

mtkiced nagebi citadelebic aris,<br />

magram xeobaSi ase lamazad Cawerili<br />

iSviaTad SegxvdebaT. javaxianT cixe<br />

mas SedarebiT gvian daerqva, roca<br />

javaxeTidan mosuli samZivar-gamrekel-TorelTa<br />

ubrwyinvalesi saxli<br />

ramdenadme daqveiTda da rigiT Tavadobas<br />

_ javaxiSvilobas dasjerda.<br />

diax, cixesimagre Torelebis drosaa<br />

aSenebuli da amis iribi mtkicebulebisTvis<br />

TeZmis xeobis zeda monakveT-<br />

Si mogviwevs asvla.<br />

dris cixis zeviT, misgan samxreT-aRmosavleTiT,<br />

TeZmis meore napirze,<br />

kanionis Tavze dgas da xeobas<br />

gascqeris patara soflis CaCubeTis<br />

RvTismSoblis eklesia, romelic<br />

am saukunis dasawyisSi aRdga<br />

da gamagrda. kldis fleTili da<br />

Tlili qvebiT aSenebuli `RvTismSobeli~<br />

VIII-IX saukunis darbazuli<br />

saydaria, romelsac 3 mxridan aqvs<br />

garSemosavleli. mis samxreT monakveTSi<br />

karibWea moTavsebuli, danar-<br />

Ceni monakveTebi ki sxvadasxva daniSnulebisTvis<br />

iqneboda gamoyenebuli.<br />

CaCubeTidan rkonamde 6 kilometria<br />

da ase Tu ise normaluri<br />

gruntis gza midis, magram Cven, TeZmis<br />

marcxena sanapiros unda davubrundeT<br />

da samxreT-dasavleTiT 4-5<br />

kilometrSi mdebare kidev erT patara<br />

sofelSi-ficesSi avideT. es man-<br />

Zili saTqmeladaa ioli, Torem saamisod<br />

jer mdinare unda gatopoT,<br />

mere ki cicabos SeuyveT. Cven manqaniT<br />

axalqalaqSi vbrundebiT da iqidan,<br />

xovles gavliT, kanionis marcxena<br />

napirs mivuyvebiT. ficesis, anu<br />

igive saorbisis eklesiaa soflidan<br />

300-400 nabijzea, kldis Tavze dgas<br />

da xeobas cixis naSaliviT gadahyurebs.<br />

sanam axlos ar mixval, veranairad<br />

ver mixvdebi, rom didebul naeklesiars<br />

mieaxle. es cnobili `saorbisis<br />

wminda giorgia~.<br />

eklesiidan moSorebiT erTi ficeseli<br />

kaci SevniSneT, romelic<br />

cxvars aZovebs. daZaxeba ar dasWirvebia,<br />

swrafi nabijiT miaxlovdeba<br />

da salam-qalamis mere mekiTxeba:<br />

_ SeTqmuli Tu geqnebaT... amisma<br />

madlma, iseTi cxvari agirCioT, roma...<br />

_ ara, araferi SegviTqvams amis<br />

mere ki vnaxoT, _ ratomRac mobodiSebiT<br />

veubnebi ficesels, _ pirvelad<br />

varT aq.<br />

CaCubeTis `RvTismSobeli~.<br />

_ ho...o...o... _quds ixdis da ise<br />

isworebs qoCors, TiTqos mimaniSnebs,<br />

mec Tu ar gadamiReT, ise araferi<br />

gamogivaTo. _ arc eg aris naklebi<br />

saqmei. me ki megona, ro Tu<br />

avadmyofi vinme gyvandaT da imis saxelze<br />

gindodaT saxvTos Sewirvai.<br />

mwyemsis naTqvamSi saintereso<br />

marcvals viWer da vTxov amixsnas,<br />

raSia saorbisis saydris Zala.<br />

_ imaSi, roma Tu vinme suliT<br />

davardnili an damcrobili hyavT,<br />

aq modian da saorbisis wminda giorgis<br />

SasTxoven imis mobrunebas.<br />

Tan Sesawiri moaqvT da dailocebian<br />

kidevaca xolme. Tu gaugona<br />

wminda giorgima, wlisTavze didi<br />

mosakiTxiT da saxvTo saklaviT<br />

amodian. Tu ver gaugona, maSin TavgerSi<br />

scdian bedsa.<br />

Tavgeri aqedan Zalian Sors,<br />

mcire liaxvis saTaveSi, erT maRal<br />

mTazea da mikvirs ratom maincdamainc<br />

im siSoreze midian, roca aqve,<br />

axlos favnisis da ikvis wminda gi-<br />

orgia, mezobel xeobebSi ki `kavTa~<br />

da `danaxvisi~.<br />

_ ravi, egrea naTqvami, _ mxrebs<br />

iCeCavs mwyemsi. _saorbisma Tu ar<br />

Sausmina, sparsis wminda giorgi Sausmens<br />

gerSiao.<br />

eWvi gamielvebs _saorbisi odes-<br />

Rac geris wminda giorgis xatis<br />

TeZmuri sabrZanisi xom ar iyo, magram<br />

vxvdebi, rom mwyemsma meti ara-<br />

ficesi. saorbisis `wminda giorgis~ fasadebi<br />

da wminda stefanes freska.<br />

feri icis da taZris Semovlas<br />

viwyeb.<br />

sanaxevrod dangreuli saydari<br />

zis galavanSi, romlis erTi monakveTi<br />

imavdroulad substruqciasac<br />

warmoadgens. Tavad taZari didi ar<br />

aris (8,7X6,2 m) da Sesasvleli samxreTis<br />

karibWidan aqvs. igi nagebia<br />

fleTili qviT (dasavleTisa da<br />

CrdiloeTis kedlebi) da sufTad<br />

gaTlili oqrosferi qviSaqvis mozrdili<br />

kvadrebiT (aRmosavleTis,<br />

samxreTis kedlebi da karibWe). aqaiq<br />

gamoyenebulia firuzisferi Tlili<br />

qvac, xolo aRmosavleTisa da<br />

samxreTis moCuqurTmebuli sapireebisTvis<br />

_vardisferi qva. SigniT ta-<br />

Zari imTaviTve mosaxatad yofila<br />

gaTvaliswinebuli da amitom, konstruqciuli<br />

monakveTebis garda,<br />

yvelgan fleTili qviT amouyvaniaT<br />

kedlebi. amJamad baTqaSi Camocvenilia.<br />

gadarCenilia mxolod konqis<br />

nawili da sakrmelTa wirTxlebi.<br />

isini XII saukunis mxatvrobis Camqral<br />

abrisebs inaxaven. naxevarwriuli<br />

sakurTxevlis afsidi darbazidan<br />

lamazi qvis kankeliT yofila<br />

gamoyofili. misi naSali CuqurTmiani<br />

qvebis nawili axlac adgilzea.<br />

Tavad absidSi erTi mcire da erTic<br />

kacis simaRle Rrma, Seisruli ni-<br />

Sia. Rrma niSSi qorbuda irmis Sewiruli<br />

rqebia.<br />

taZris yvelaze lamazi monakve-<br />

Ti aRmosavleTi fasadia, romlis<br />

frontonSi tolmklava jvari zis,<br />

xolo SuagulSi Tavs iwonebs Zalian<br />

didi, mcenareuli ornamentebiT<br />

Semkuli sarkmlis sapire. misi<br />

msgavsi iSviaTad Tu sadme moiZeveba.<br />

tolmklava jvarsa da sarkmlis<br />

sapires Soris Casmulia qvis dafa,<br />

romelzec Cagviristebuli asomTavruliT<br />

4-striqoniani warweraa amokodili.<br />

haleografebma igi srulad<br />

da unaklod waikiTxes: `wmindao giorgi<br />

Seiwyale erisTavT-erisTavi<br />

kaxai da Svilni maTni da daicav sofeli<br />

miwai maTi _ mosave Seni da<br />

maSenebeli taZrisa Senisa. qoronikoni<br />

tob~ _ anu 1152 w. erisTavTerisTavi<br />

kaxai is `didi da saxelganTqmuli<br />

molaSqre~ kaxa Torelia,<br />

romelsac mefis ojaxic ki gansakuTrebuli<br />

mowiwebiT eqceoda. javaxeTis<br />

erisTavT-erisTavi kaxa 1066<br />

wlidan anisis mmarTvelic iyo. 1077<br />

wels, SvilebTan erTad, igi Tavdapirvelad<br />

demna ufliswuls TanaugrZnobda,<br />

magram saxelmwifos erTianobisa<br />

da Zlierebis SenarCunebis<br />

mizniT bolos giorgi III-is mxare<br />

daiWira.<br />

saorbisis es warwera imas gveubneba,<br />

rom favnelebisa da gandevnili<br />

kldekaris erisTavT-erisTavebis<br />

Semdeg umkvidrod darCenili TeZmis<br />

xeobasa da TrialeTs 1052 wlidan<br />

Torelebi marTaven. dris cixec, saidanac<br />

es-esaa wamovediT, maTi aSenebulia.<br />

savaraudod swored kaxas<br />

Camoyvanili da kldekaris meTvalyured<br />

dadgenili unda iyvnen samcxis<br />

nostis aznauri saakaZeebi.<br />

sainteresoa, rom saorbisis `wm.<br />

giorgis~ paralelurad, imave 1052<br />

wels, CvenSi kidev erTi mSvenieri<br />

taZari aigo fcis xeobaSi, amJamindeli<br />

yornisis maxloblad sofel<br />

TiRvaSi _ daviT aRmaSeneblis qaliSvilma<br />

Sirvanis daqvrivebulma<br />

rkoni. VII saukunis `RvTismSobeli~ da XIII saukunis `naTlismcemeli~ verZis gamosaxulebiT.<br />

dedofalma da monazvnad aRkvecilma<br />

Tamarma RvTismSoblis miZinebis<br />

jvar-gumbaTovani taZari aaSena iq.<br />

magram Cven isev Torelebs davubrundeT.<br />

saqarTvelos istoria icnobs kidev<br />

erT kaxa gamrekelis Ze Torels,<br />

romelic meWurWleTuxucesi da javaxeTis<br />

erisTavT-erisTavi iyo. matianem<br />

Semogvinaxa misi anderZi rkonis<br />

monastrisadmi. sabuTSi weria, rom<br />

monRolTa mier baRdadSi gamarTuli<br />

omis dros daviT narins kaxa Toreli<br />

elCad gaugzavnia iq myof hulagu-yaenTan.<br />

kaxas baRdadSi rogorRac<br />

65 aTasi TeTri mougia, riTac Sin<br />

dabrunebuls mahmadiani, ebraeli da<br />

somexi vaWrebisagan sofeli xovle<br />

gamousyidia da rkonis monastrisTvis<br />

Seuwiravs. kiTxulob am striqonebs<br />

da Tvalebs ar ujereb _ es ra<br />

mosvlia XIII-s-is meore naxevarSi<br />

Tamaris droindel brwyinvale saqar-<br />

Tvelos, rogor kudis rikamde gauyvlefiaT<br />

monRolebs, rom meWurWle-<br />

Tuxucessac ki erTi soflis gamosasyidi<br />

Tanxis Segroveba baRdadSi<br />

wasvliT mouxerxebia? asea Tu ise,<br />

TorelTa (SemdgomSi javaxiSvilTa)<br />

TeZmis xeobaSi mkvidrad dasaxleba<br />

swored am droidan iwyeba. xovle<br />

samZivarTa (es iyo maTi pirvandeli<br />

gvari) mamuli, xolo rkoni saZvale<br />

monasteri xdeba.<br />

saorbisis `wminda giorgi~ lamis<br />

Tavs dacqeris tyeSi Caflul<br />

rkonis monasters, romlis kompleqsi<br />

ori gansxvavebuli epoqis nazavi<br />

xuroTmoZRvruli Zeglia:<br />

VII saukunis me-2 meoTxedis<br />

RvTismSoblis samnaviani bazilika<br />

nalisebri TaRebiT, ori wyvili svetiT,<br />

SedarebiT sada perangiT da<br />

gviandeli mxatvrobiT...<br />

XIII saukunis meore naxevris<br />

vrceli karibWe da iqve samxreTiT<br />

mdgari Zalian koxta samlocvelo<br />

`naTlismcemeli~, romlis qveS TorelTa<br />

kripta yofila...<br />

adreSuasaukuneebis sisadave da<br />

monumenturoba ganviTarebuli Suasaukuneebis<br />

sinatifeSi Cawerila. amas<br />

emateba odnav mogvianebiTi xanis<br />

satrapezo, senakebis naSTebi da<br />

XVII-XVIII saukuneebis samreklo.<br />

sofel rkonidan monastramde,<br />

TeZamsa da mis or Senakads Soris,<br />

kldeze iarusebadaa mikruli rkonis<br />

cixesimagre, romelic kldekarisaken<br />

mimaval gzebs meTvalyureobda. 1989<br />

wels, daviT aRmaSeneblis gamefebis<br />

900 wlisTavTan dakavSirebiT, me da<br />

Cemi megobrebi erT-erTi aseTi gziT,<br />

kerZod, sofel samaWaloze gavliT,<br />

gadavediT cxenebiT kldekarSi (rogorc<br />

rkonis cixeSi, ise samaWalo-<br />

Si XII saukunis naeklesiarebia SemorCenili).<br />

am gzebidan mTavari mainc<br />

is unda yofiliyo, romelic monastris<br />

boloze gadioda. aq dRemde<br />

kargadaa Semonaxuli XII-XIII saukuneebis<br />

erTmaliani TaRovani xidi,<br />

romelsac samxreT-aRmosavleTidan<br />

Tavs dascqeris svimon mesvetis saxelobis<br />

mcire saydari.<br />

am adgilebis Sesaxeb vaxuSti<br />

batoniSvilis ganmartebebi garkveul<br />

eWvebs badebs, romelTa axsnas<br />

TeZmis xeobaSi Cveni mogzaurobis<br />

amsaxvel momdevno werilSi Sevecdebi.<br />

gela qoqiaSvili,<br />

avtoris fotoebi

#06 (190), 15-21.II, 2012 w.<br />

mmaaiiaass ttoommiiss aassttrroonnoommiiuull kkaalleennddaarrSSii<br />

nnaaxxsseenneebbii 22001122 wwlliiss 2211<br />

ddeekkeemmbbeerrii bboolloo aaTTwwlleeuulliiss ggaannmmaavvlloobbaaSSii<br />

eerrTT-eerrTTii yyvveellaazzee aaqqttuuaalluurrii<br />

TTeemmaaaa pprreessiissTTvviiss,, tteelleeggaaddaacceemmeebbiissaa<br />

ddaa kkiinnoosscceennaarreebbiissTTvviiss..<br />

aammaazzee uukkvvee iimmddeennii iiTTqqvvaa ddaa ddaaiiwweerraa,,<br />

TTeemmaa aammoowwuurruullii uunnddaa iiyyooss ddaa<br />

uubbrraalloodd,, mmoovvlleenneebbiiss ggaannvviiTTaarreebbaass<br />

vveellooddooTT,, mmaaggrraamm CCvveennii rreessppoonnddeennttii<br />

arCil RuduSauri TTaavviiss<br />

ggaannssxxvvaavveebbuull mmoossaazzrreebbaass ggvvTTaavvaazzoobbss<br />

aamm TTaarriiRRTTaann ddaakkaavvSSiirreebbiiTT::<br />

_ batono arCil, maias tomis<br />

mier naxseneb TariRTan dakavSirebiT<br />

ra SeiZleba CaiTvalos realobad<br />

da ra fantastikad?<br />

_ es ar gaxlavT fantastika.<br />

mTavari gaxlavT is, rom maias<br />

tomma xazgasmiT aRniSna, rom araa<br />

laparaki qveynierebisa da dedamiwis<br />

ganadgurebaze. saubaria yvelaferi<br />

ucxouris ganadgurebis Sesaxeb<br />

da am ganadgurebis sawyisi<br />

etapi iqneba 2012 wels. amboben,<br />

rom es moxdeba zamTarSi, mzebudobis<br />

dros _ 21 dekembers. me ki<br />

vambob: zafxulSi, 21 ivliss, ro-<br />

ca yvelaze didi dRea unda gamocxaddes<br />

`sdeq~! zamTarSi ki saerTod<br />

akrZalva.<br />

_ kerZod razea saubari?<br />

_ ucxouri cnobierebis zewolaze,<br />

swavlebaze, politikaze da<br />

religiaze. maiam Tavis istoriul<br />

kalendarSi xazgasmiT aRniSna, rom<br />

yovelive ucxouri unda aikrZalos.<br />

_ rogor mianiSna amaze maiam?<br />

es, saxeldobr, TavianT Tavze<br />

Tqves Tu saerTod?<br />

_ maiam aRniSna: vinc me<br />

gamanadgurebs, imisi ganadgureba<br />

daiwyeba 2012 wels.<br />

amaSi igulisxmeba espaneli<br />

dampyroblebi pirvel rigSi<br />

da maTi religia. me `sdeq~<br />

vacxadeb zafxulSi. vewinaaRmdegebi<br />

yvelafer ucxours,<br />

maT Soris religiebs.<br />

Cven vcxovrobT baRnar-<br />

Si da gvaloceben udabnoze.<br />

erT loyaSi gamrtymelisTvis<br />

meore loyis mimSveri<br />

aravinaa da arc mteri uyvars<br />

aravis. umravlesoba<br />

xom asea. gasartymelad ki<br />

ara, mosafereblad ar miuSvers<br />

meore loyas aravis.<br />

_ Cndeba bunebrivi<br />

kiTxva _ xom viyaviT kerp-<br />

TTayvanismcemlebi anu warmarTuli<br />

religiis mimdevarni, mere gavqristiandiT.<br />

ra gamodis _ warmarTobisken<br />

dabrunebas qadagebT?<br />

_ Cven, qarTvelebi ar vyofilvarT<br />

kerpTayvanismcemlebi. vloculobdiT<br />

samyaros Semqmnelze,<br />

ase loculobda maias tomic da<br />

gaanadgures. Zveli Senoba-nagebobebi,<br />

sveticxoveli, mcxeTis jvari,<br />

gergeTis salocavi, nekresi...<br />

yvelgan qarTvelebi samyaros Semqmnelze<br />

loculobdnen.<br />

_ armazsa da zadenze ras ityviT?<br />

qarTuli kerpebi iyo?<br />

_ armazis kerpis Seqmna gaxldaT<br />

aziuri, sparsul-somxuri gavlenis<br />

Sedegi.<br />

_ anu es kerpebic ucxouri<br />

iyo?<br />

_ diax, magram es ar iyo mTavari.<br />

Cven ZiriTadad, vloculobdiT<br />

samyaros Semqmnelze, gadagviyvanes<br />

ucxour religiaze. es unda<br />

aikrZalos da amaze miuTiTebs mai-<br />

ac da ara imaze, rom asteroidi<br />

dagvecema.<br />

_ raze da rogor loculobdnen<br />

qarTvelebi, es istorikosebis<br />

gansjis sagania da maT unda ganavrcon<br />

es Tema. Tqven aRniSneT, rom<br />

sveticxoveli qristianobamde qar-<br />

TvelTa salocavi adgili iyo...<br />

_ samyaros Semqmnelis salocavi.<br />

ufliscixe, mamadaviTze idga<br />

qarTvelTa RmerTis salocavi da<br />

xevsureTis mTawmindis niSi. salocavi<br />

iyo qarTuli gagebiT. mere<br />

rusebma da somxebma gadaakeTes<br />

qristianulad. qarTulad pirdapir<br />

iyo naTqvami: mteri Tu Semogartyams,<br />

erT loyaze, meore ar unda<br />

miuSviro. Tumca es religia bolo<br />

20 welia isev rom mogvaxvies Tavze,<br />

Torem manamde leninze vloculobdiT.<br />

_ vin leninze, vin stalinze<br />

da bevric eklesiaSi dadioda Cumad<br />

da aSkarad, es xom yvelaze<br />

erTnairad ar vrceldeboda...<br />

_ rogorc komunisturi liderebi<br />

iyvnen gabuqebulebi, asea axlac<br />

religiis mxriv. marTlmadidebloba<br />

berZnuli mimdinareobaa,<br />

iseve rogorc kaTolikuri _ romauli<br />

mimdinareoba, luTenaruli<br />

_ germanuli, grigorianuli _<br />

somxuri.<br />

_ Tavdapirvelad xom saxareba-<br />

Si arc kaTolicizmze, baptizmze<br />

an sxva mimdinareobaze ar yofila<br />

saubari, mere moxda ganStoeba da<br />

dapirispirebis mizezi gaxda sazogadoebriv<br />

dajgufebebsa da qveynebs<br />

Soris. ra SuaSia qarTuli<br />

qristianoba?<br />

_ saubaria imaze, vin rogor da<br />

ra gamoigona. mTlianad biblia<br />

berZnebis gamogonilia. gamogonilia<br />

konstantinopolSi, pirdapiraa<br />

miniSneba amaze.<br />

_ sadaa am miniSnebis wyaro?<br />

_ pirveli oTxi, xuTi saeklesio<br />

kreba rom Catarda konstantinopolSi,<br />

iqaa amis miniSneba.<br />

_ magram Zveli aRTqma xom ebraulia?<br />

_ ara, berZnebis gamogonilia.<br />

Zveli da axali aRTqmis yvelanairi<br />

niSani aqvT berZnebs. esaa CuqurTmaSi,<br />

mozaikaSi, ZeglebSi,<br />

damwerlobaSi.<br />

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