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12 saerTo gazeTi #20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w. cotta xnis win qveynis sakanonmdebllo organom garemosdacviTi kuTxiT sakmaod ucnauri kanonproeqtti SeimuSava. ufro konkrettullad ras gullisxmobs aRniSnulli kanonproeqtti da ra safrTxis winaSe ayenebs garemosa da adamianebs, Temis dettallebze ,,saerTo gazeTs” yofilli garemos dacvis ministtri, arasamTavrobo organizacia ,,mwvaneTa moZraoba _ dedamiwis megobrebis” TanaTavmjdomare nino CxobaZe esaubra. _ qalbatono nino, Tu SeiZleba gviTxariT, ras iTvaliswinebs kanonproeqti, romelic xelisuflebam 19 marts parlamentSi, ase, rom vTqvaT, gaaprava? _ vfiqrob, saqarTvelos istoriasa da sakanonmdeblo sivrceSi am kanonis SemuSavebis Sedegad ucnauri precedenti Seiqmna. Cven mas davarqviT 21-e saukunis indulgencia. arasamTavrobo seqtorma reagirebac ver moaswro, ise miiRes kanoni parlamentSi. aRniSnuli kanonproeqtis Tanaxmad, SeTanxmeba ideba iuridiul pirsa da saxelmwifos Soris da am Se- Tanxmebis periodSi pirs SeeZleba garemoSi gakeTos is, rac moesurveba. _ ras niSnavs, gaakeTos rac moesurveba? _ garemos dacvisa da bunebrivi resursebis sferoSi Caidinos nebismieri saxis dana- Sauli. magaliTad, SemeZleba haerSi gavavrcelo iseTi niv- Tiereba, rom ziani mivayeno adamianebs, SemeZleba wyalmomaragebis sistemaSi CavuSva is, rac minda, SemeZleba nagavi davyaro iseTi raodenobiTa da SemadgenlobiT, rom garemos seriozuli ziani mivayeno, SemeZleba xis an mTlianad tyis masivis gaCexva ise, rom amaze aravin araferi ar miTxras da a.S. _ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu Cems mier Cadenili qmedebiT davazaraleb adamianebsa da garemos, miuxedavad imisa, rom Cemi qmedeba saxelmwifos mxridan legalizebuli iqneba, aseT Sem- TxvevaSi vis daekisreba pasuxismgebloba? _ SegiZliaT imoqmedoT ise, rogorc saWirod CaTvliT. cxadia, xelisuflebasa da Tqvens Soris dadebuli xelSekrulebis vadis period- Si. praqtikulad, moxda is, rom pasuxismgebloba moexsna iuridiul pirs da mTlianad nino nino CxobaZe: raSi gvWirdeba es tvirTi daekisra saxelmwifos. kerZo pirs aseT SemTxvevaSi aravin arafers ar etyvis, radgan kanonproeqtSi miTiTebulia, rom dauSvebelia saxelmwifos mxridan, maT Soris adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobebis mxridan raime saxis jarimis dakisreba. msoflioSi aseTi SeTanxmebis analogi, praqtikaSi, ar arsebobs TviT afrikis qveynebSic ki. garemos dacva aris saxelmwifos mxridan Zalian rTuli marTvis meqnizmi. pirvel rigSi, esaaa ekonomikuri meqanizmi, rom saxelmwifo marto ar aRmoCndes sakuTari moqalaqeebis pirispir. amitom aucilebelia saxelmwifom garkveuli valdebulebebi daakisros iuridiul pirs sakuTari qveynisa da xalxis wina- Se. _ vin aris kanonproeqtis iniciatori? _ kanonproeqtis ganmartebiT baraTSi weria, rom amis iniciatori energetikis saministroa. _ kanonproeqti ar ewinaarmdegeba qveynis konstitucias? _ ra Tqma unda, ewinaaRmdegeba, radgan saxelmwifo, am SemTxvevaSi veRar Seqmnis jansaR garemos, sadac unda vicxovro. amasTan saxelmwifo imis garantiasac veRar momcems, rom wyali sufTa meqneba. aqamde sasmeli wylis obieqtebis dabinZureba kanoniT isjeboda, arsebuli redaqciiT, ki Tu pirs xelisuflebas- Tan dadebuli aqvs xelSekruleba SeuZlia daabinZuros sasmeli wylis auzic. _ am SemTxvevaSi ra warmoadgens xelisuflebis mizans. rogorc Tqven aRniSneT, aseTi precedenti msoflioSi ar arsebobs? _ xelisuflebam kidev er- Txel gaakeTa demonstrireba SerCeviTi samarTlis da kanonproeqtSi Cado korufciuli garigebis meqanizmi. kanonSi roca weria, rom energetikis saministros yovelgvari argumentaciis gareSe SeuZlia uari miTxras ganacxadze da sxva adamianis ganacxadi daakmayofilos, esaa mxolod da mxolod SerCeviTi samarTali da meti araferi, rac niSnavs hesebi, roca SeiZleba, wyali gaqres saqarTveloSi? korufcias. miRebul kanonSi araferia miTiTebuli, rogor, ris safuZvelze ganisazRvreba nebarTvis micema ama, Tu im pirze. anu gamodis, rom xelisuflebas vinc moewoneba, imas miscems nebarTvas. _ kanonproeqtSi Tu aris gawerili Tanxebi ramdeni unda gadavixado Tundac niadagis moWrisTvis, an Tundac wylis dabinZurebisTvis? _ kanonSi amis Sesaxeb araferia naTqvami da esec aris korufciis nawili. kanonproeqtSi naTqvamia, rom moxdeba raRac kompensireba, magram vin an rogor daadgens amas, araferia naTqvami. amitom, radgan kanonSi amis Sesaxeb araferia miTiTebuli, rac ar unda mimtkicos energetikis saministrom, rom Tanxebis raodenobas gawers normatiul aqtSi, es aris mxolod SeTxzuli zRapari da meti araferi. aqedan gamomdinare xelisuflebas SeuZlia damidginos vTqvaT, gadasaxdel Tanxad 500 lari da Tqven 200 lari, rac niSnavs korufcias da SerCeviT samar- Tals. _ moqmedebs ukve aRniSnuli kanonproeqti? _ es kanoni ukve ZalaSi Sevida, prezidentma masze xeli 30 marts moawera. _ arsebobs raime meqanizmi, rom arasamTavrobo seqtorma xeli SeuSalos kanonproeqtis funqcionirebas? _ yvela is meqanizmi, risi gamoyenebac arasamTavrobo seqtors SeeZlo ukve avamuSaveT. yvela arasamTavrobom daafiqsira Tavisi protesti, gakeTda ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~ internetSi www.saertogazeti.ge SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze mimarTva biznesmenebis saxelze, saerTaSoriso safinanso institutebis misamarTiT, gavagzavneT mimarTva evrosabWo- Si da mzaddeba aseve werili gaeroSi. aRniSnuli kanonproeqtis SemuSavebiT Cvenma xelisuflebam uarhyo gaeros gadawyvetileba, romelzec saqarTvelom xeli gasuli wlis dekemberSi moawera. _ ramdenadac cnobilia, Crdilo-atlantikuri aliansi did mniSvnelobas aniWebs qveyanaSi garemosdacviT pirobebs. SeiZleba, aRniSnulma kanonma xeli SeuSalos saqarTvelos natoSi integracias? _ es seriozulad SeuSlis xels saqarTvelos integracias evropul stuqturebSi. evrokavSiris erT-erTi seriozuli moTxovnaa qveyanaSi garemosdacviTi kuTxiT Seqmnili viTreba. amasTan, arsebuli kanoni ewinaaRmdegeba evrokav- Siris mier dadgenil normebsa da saerTaSoriso standartebs. ,,nato” garemos dacvis kuTxiT qveyanaSi Seqmnil mdgomareobas iseTive doneze ayenebs, rogorc adamianis uflebebs. albaT, Cvens xelisuflebaSi vi- Rac-viRacebs hgoniaT, rom garemos dacva aris narCenebis Segroveba da xeebis dargva. es ase ar aris, garemos dacva gacilebiT rTuli meqanizmia. _ garemos dazianebaze vsaubrobT da didi rezonansi gamoiwvia Trusos xeobaSi mimdinare larsis hidroeletrosadguris mSeneblobam. konkretulad ra safrTxeebis winaSe ayenebs Trusos xeobas hesis mSenebloba? _ larsis hidroeleqtrosadguri Sendeba im monakveTze romelic aris Trusos xeoba- Si Sesasvleli Cveni mxridan. Sesabamisad, xeobaSi Sesvla SesaZlebeli iqneba mxolod CrdiloeT oseTidan. meore problema TviTon darialis mdinarea. hesi imden eleqtroenergias ar mogvcems, rac imad eRireba, rom CrdiloeTis mar- Srutze turistuli potenci- ali davkargoT. „yvelaze didi safrTxe da problema, romelic saqarTveloSi gamoikveTa, is strategia da politikaa, romelic saqarTvelos aqvs aRebuli. Cven vambobT, rom gvinda gavyidoT eleqtroenergia, romelsac gamovimuSavebT hidroeleqtrosadgurebiT. Ti- Tqos es aris alternatiuli energetikis wyaro. sinamdvileSi, didi, giganturi hesebi iqneba damRupveli. Cven SeiZleba davkargoT saqarTvelos kuTxeebi imitom, rom tenianoba da daavadebebi moimatebs. marto xudonhesis mSeneblobis Sedegad 26 istoriuli toponimi gaqreba, xaiSi daitboreba. mosaxleobis nawils aqvs molodini, rom kompensacias miiRebs. me vici, rom es ar moxdeba. imden kompensacias mainc ver miscemen, romelic saqarTvelosTvis svaneTis dakargvas aanazRaurebs. amitom yvela did hesTan da grandiozul mSeneblobasTan mimarTebaSi „saqarTvelos mwvaneTa moZraobas~ miaCnia, rom es SeiZleba saqarTvelosTvis dam- Rupveli iyos. me, piradad, Trusos xeobaSi hesis mSeneblobis sakiTxs ufro metad saxelmwifo interesebidan gamomdinare vudgebodi, vidre garemos dacvis TvalsazrisiT. es iyo Zalian seriozulad gasaanalizebeli sakiTxi, pirvel rigSi, politikuri kuTxiT, Cven sazRvrebTan mimarTebaSi. 70-ian wlebSi daarsda yazbegis nakrZali. es maSindeli sabWoTa saqarTvelos politikuri gadawyvetileba iyo, rom Trusos xeoba- Si ar aSenebuliyo hidroeleqtrosadguri. _ ratom ra iyo mizezi? _ mizezi iyo is, rom es teritoria SeiZleboda gamqraliyo qarTuli iurisdiqciidan da es safrTxe dResac arsebobs. amasTan, Tergs imxela lodebi moaqvs SeuZlia Caxergos, saderevacio arxi da Tergi wavides Tavis gziT da ase- Ti araerTi magaliTi gvinaxavs. _ rogor fiqrobT, am safrTxis Sesaxeb ar icis xelisuflebam? _ me, piradad, mTavrobis mxridan vxedav iseT nabijebs, saidanac aSkaraa, rom maT am safrTxis Sesaxeb araferi ician. im SemTxvevaSi ra vuyoT amden hess, Tu wyali ar gveqneba. _ ras niSnavs wyali aRar gveqneba? _ prognozi, romelic gakeTebulia, maT Soris saqarTveloSi Cveni mecnierebis mier. msoflioSi mtknari wylis raodenoba seriozulad klebulobs da SeiZleba dagvrCes mxolod aSenebuli hesebi wylis gareSe. miranda nabaxteveli
#20 (204), 25.IV.-1.V, 2012 w. qarTuli politikuri speqtri da Cveni sazogadoebac, rogorc Cans, Zalian gulubryvilo da miamitia, romelsac dRemde sjera, rom erT mSvenier dRes vano merabiSvili daiWers mixeil saakaSvils, gakoWavs, xelborkils daadebs, specialurad saakaSvilisTvis gakeTebul rkinis galiaSi Casvams da `Tavisuflebis moedanze~ `dadgams~, rom gamvlel-gamomvlelebma aginon, afurTxon, laye kvercxebi esrolon da amiT moilbon da moiTbon araerTgzis mwared natkeni guli. TiTqosda xumrobas hgavs es yvelaferi, rasac axla vambobT, magram mTeli ubedureba isaa, rom politikuri speqtrisa da sazogadoebis erT nawils marTlac seriozulad sjera, rom es SesaZlebelia moxdes da kargma merabiSvilma cudi saakaSvili gaskvanCos. am Temaze saubari ukve ramdenime welia intensiurad midis da politikuri procesebis kvaldakval xan mZafrdeba, xan daviwyebas eZleva. gasaocari is aris, rom merabiSvilis mier saakaSvilis daWeras SesaZleblad miiCneven iseTi adamianebic ki, romelTa gonierebasa da inteleqtSi eWvi aravis epareba. ase, magaliTad, 2007- 2008 sazogadoebrivi organizacia `qarTuli akademia~, romelic udaod inteleqtualuri adamianebiT aris dakompleqtebuli, opoziciur Zalebs mTeli seriozulobiT, xSirad akademiuri toniT urCevda, saprotesto aqciebis paralelurad aucileblad miemarTa vano merabiSvilisTvis TxovniT, rom is qarTvel sazogadoebas, qarTvel xalxs daxmareboda saakaSvilis `ganeitralebaSi~ da iqve gamoTqvamda rwmenas, rom merabiSvili opoziciisa da qar- Tveli xalxis Txovnas gulTan axlos miitanda da kontrolidan gamosuli saakaSvilis mosaTokad yvela zomas miiRebda. msgavsi suliskveTebis gamomxatveli mosazrebebi ara marto `qarTul akademias~, sxvebsac bevrjer gamouTqvamT. sazogadoebidan wamosul am mesijebs Tan sdevda Worebi imis Sesaxeb, rom saakaSvilsa da merabiSvils Soris Savma katam gairbina, rom merabiSvils ar endobian da samTavrobo sxdomebsac ki ar aswreben, rom merabiSvili ar eTanxmeba xelisuflebis mier miRebul gadawyvetilebebs mitingebis da aqciebis darbevis Taobaze, rom merabiSvili represiuli zomebis winaaRmdegia da a.S. Zneli saTqmelia, Segnebulad avrcelebdnen am xmebs, rom zemoTnaxsenebi mosazrebebisTvis Sesaferisi foni da meti damajerebloba miecaT, Tu es Worebi da merabiSvilTan elCebis gagzavnis momxreTa interviuebi da publikaciebi uSualod droSi emTxveoda am Worebis gavrcelebas, magram faqti faqtia _ yovelive es ara spontanur, aramed kargad dagegmil piarkampanias hgavda xolme, romelic sinamdvileSi saprotesto ganwyobis Senelebas da Cacxrobas ufro emsaxureboda, vidre saakaSvi- ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~ internetSi www.saertogazeti.ge SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze daiWers Tu ara vano merabiSvili mixeil saakaSvils? lis xelisuflebidan Camo- Sorebis realur gegmas. bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi, roca sul ufro radikaluri da ukompromiso xdeboda moTxovna saakaSvilis xelisuflebidan wasvlis aucileblobis Sesaxeb, paralelurad xalxSi vrceldebodaoptimisturi Seferilobis imediani gancxadebebi, rom saakaSvils male waiyvanen, Tumca gadioda dro da arc saakaSvili mihyavda vinmes da arc arsebuli situacia icvleboda ukeTesobisken. saakaSvilis wamyvanad yovelTvis erTi da igive subieqti saxeldeboda _ amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi, romelic, rogorc mavanni da mavanni irwmunebodnen, saakaSvils aravi- Tar SemTxvevaSi ar apatiebda Turme demokratiuli normebisgan gadaxvevis araerT faqts, araerT mcire Tu did danaSauls da a.S. rac ar unda gasakviri iyos, amgvari tipis gancxadebebs, xSir SemTxvevaSi, egreTwodebuli Seurigebeli da radikaluri opoziciis warmomadgenlebi ake- Tebdnen metwilad, romlebic zogjer saakaSvilis wayvanis `zust~ TariRebsac ki asaxelebdnen. am mxriv gansakuTrebiT didi aqtiurobiT batoni Salva naTelaSvili gamoir- Ceoda, romelic qarTvel xalxs Cveuli damajereblobiT da kategoriuli toniT umtkicebda, rom saakaSvils dRes Tu ara xval mainc, yovel mizezgareSe, usityvod da ulaparakod, mohkidebda xels qeCoSi aSS da waiyvanda. asaxelebdnen Tanamdebobebsac ki, romlebic aqedan wayvanili saakaSvilisTvis unda SeeTavazebinaT. ase keTdeboda imedi _ arafrismomcemi, fuWi, yalbi, dro ki gadioda da drois gayvanis taqtikas mavanTa da mavanTa mier SeTzxuli saakaSvilis wayvanis warmtaci da mimzidveli legenda kidev ufro amagrebda da amtkicebda. saerTo gazeTi Zneli saTqmelia, fsiqologiuri zombirebis da mzakvruli piarteqnologiuri meTodebis romel saidumlo laboratoriaSi iTxzveboda es zRaprebi, isic Zneli saTqmelia, ratom maincdamainc es e.w. radikaluri opozicia hyveboda xalxSi am zRaprebs namdvili ambaviviT, isic sainteresoa, gaucnobiereblad, emociebze dayrdnobiT Tu Segnebulad da mizanmimar- Tulad akeTebda amas opozicia? ase Tu isea, am zRaprebiT didxans, Zalian didxans Seiqcies qarTveli xalxi, romelic daarwmunes, rom saWiro ar iyo didi Tavgamodeba da Tavganwirva, mis gasakeTebel saqmes an merabiSvili gaakeTebda, an aSS, an evrokavSiri, an gaero, an ruseTi... rac Seexeba merabiSvils, is imdenad Wkviani kacia, rom arc uaruyvia odesme misi saxelis garSemo agorebuli es skandaluri xmebi. is dumilis uflebas inarCunebs, radgan icis, rom dumili, am SemTxvevaSi, bajaRlo oqroa. da bolos, Znelia politikosi uwodo adamians, romelsac seriozulad sjera, rom, gnebavT, vano merabiSvili, gnebavT, nebismieri sxva vinme saxelisuflebo struqturebidan Ti- Tis dakarebas gabedavs saa- kaSvilisTvis, sanam amis nebarTva da dasturi `zemodan~ ar iqneba. Cven, faqtobrivad, koloniuri qveyana varT da aseTi qveynis romelime ma- RalCinosani verasodes gabedavs sakuTari iniciativiT da sakuTari pasuxismgeblobiT Secvalos qveyana- Si arsebuli politikuri situacia da am nabijiT metropoliis nebis winaaRmdeg wavides. giorgi gamezardaSvili 13
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