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Lebanon, demonstrations <strong>in</strong> Egypt and elsewhere with a clear domestic platform – this is no longer<br />

<strong>the</strong> case.<br />

The second aspect of <strong>the</strong> wider regional change is a clear disenchangment among Arabs with<br />

politics. I mean, I see it and <strong>in</strong> fact, firsthand, I can report about readers’ comments on my – I do<br />

write – contribute regularly <strong>to</strong> Al-Hayat an op<strong>in</strong>ion piece – and whenever I write about democracy,<br />

<strong>the</strong> readers comments, which I get, I mean, <strong>to</strong> summarize <strong>the</strong>m, are basically, well, Hamzawy’s<br />

writ<strong>in</strong>g once aga<strong>in</strong> about democracy. So it’s <strong>in</strong> a very cynical way – so why are you writ<strong>in</strong>g about<br />

democracy?<br />

People are no longer <strong>in</strong>terested. There is a clear disenchantment with politics, with <strong>the</strong><br />

potential of democratic reform. We have talked much about it and not much has happened, after<br />

all. And <strong>the</strong> disenchantment is lead<strong>in</strong>g active Arab citizens <strong>to</strong> different venues and spaces of<br />

dynamism, which I, right now, will classify as social dynamism. I will discuss <strong>the</strong>m later. They give<br />

us a sense of how Arabs are react<strong>in</strong>g <strong>to</strong> <strong>the</strong> deteriorat<strong>in</strong>g social and economic conditions for <strong>the</strong>ir<br />

liv<strong>in</strong>g, but it’s no longer driven by <strong>political</strong> fac<strong>to</strong>rs. So we have a clear disenchantment with politics.<br />

A third aspect of <strong>the</strong> wider regional change – and Mar<strong>in</strong>a discussed on it as she discussed<br />

change as happen<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> Islamist spectrum – I would say that we are look<strong>in</strong>g, right now, when we<br />

look at Arab politics, <strong>the</strong> last grand ideological label which we had <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> region, which was <strong>the</strong> label<br />

of Islamism, is be<strong>in</strong>g pushed aside as well. Islamism is no longer, regardless of where we look. We<br />

can look at <strong>the</strong> Moroccan Party for Justice and Development or <strong>the</strong> Muslim Bro<strong>the</strong>rhood <strong>in</strong> Egypt<br />

or Islamists operat<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> Gulf countries or <strong>the</strong> Muslim Bro<strong>the</strong>rhood <strong>in</strong> Jordan or even Hezbollah<br />

and Hamas. Islamism is no longer <strong>the</strong> unquestioned, grand ideological label, which it used <strong>to</strong> be<br />

throughout <strong>the</strong> 1980s, ‘90s, and even up until 2005 and 2006.<br />

And <strong>the</strong> fact that Islamism, as <strong>the</strong> last rema<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g ideological label, is be<strong>in</strong>g pushed back – is<br />

no longer dom<strong>in</strong>ant <strong>in</strong> fram<strong>in</strong>g public debates and fram<strong>in</strong>g debates about politics tells us much<br />

about <strong>the</strong> disenchantment of active constituencies, which created – <strong>in</strong> fact, created Islamism as an<br />

active <strong>political</strong> and social phenomenon – <strong>the</strong>ir disenchantment with politics. Islamist parties and<br />

movements have committed <strong>to</strong> participation <strong>in</strong> politics <strong>in</strong> different ways; <strong>the</strong> outcome of <strong>the</strong>ir<br />

participation, regardless of <strong>the</strong> differences between Morocco, Egypt, Jordan and Kuwait, has been<br />

very limited.<br />

They haven’t managed <strong>to</strong> push for reform. They haven’t changed <strong>the</strong> nature of Moroccan,<br />

Egyptian or Jordanian politics. And <strong>in</strong> fact, <strong>in</strong>stead of debat<strong>in</strong>g politics <strong>in</strong> a national sense, <strong>the</strong>y are<br />

debat<strong>in</strong>g what is happen<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>side <strong>the</strong>ir movements, respond<strong>in</strong>g <strong>to</strong> <strong>the</strong> crisis situation <strong>in</strong> which <strong>the</strong>y<br />

are because of <strong>the</strong> limited outcome of <strong>the</strong>ir participation.<br />

So we have Islamist movements right now, <strong>in</strong> fact, <strong>in</strong> a – <strong>in</strong>terest<strong>in</strong>g, academically and<br />

<strong>in</strong>tellectually <strong>to</strong> follow – so <strong>in</strong> a mode where <strong>the</strong>y are reflect<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>ternally on <strong>the</strong>ir rhe<strong>to</strong>ric, <strong>the</strong>ir<br />

ideology, <strong>the</strong>ir platform, and what <strong>to</strong> learn out of <strong>the</strong> crisis situation <strong>in</strong> which <strong>the</strong>y have been<br />

throughout <strong>the</strong> last years. So <strong>the</strong> last ideological label is wi<strong>the</strong>r<strong>in</strong>g away as well.<br />

A f<strong>in</strong>al aspect of <strong>the</strong> regional change is <strong>the</strong> fact that if you compare <strong>the</strong> situation right now<br />

<strong>to</strong> 2003 and 2004, <strong>in</strong> 2003 and 2004, <strong>the</strong>re was a great deal of talk about so-called – I’m go<strong>in</strong>g <strong>to</strong><br />

translate from Arabic and put it <strong>in</strong> English – <strong>the</strong>re was much talk about <strong>the</strong> “regional reform tra<strong>in</strong>”<br />

– (In Arabic) – “<strong>the</strong> Arab reform tra<strong>in</strong>.” And right now, I mean, you open newspapers or you go <strong>to</strong>

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