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sung there, we hear here at the same time as it is sung there.<br />

Where is time and place?”<br />

Dr. Srinivasa Rao asked Bhagavan, “What is the meaning<br />

of ‘çeLôUp çeÏYÕ’, i.e., being in sleepless sleep?”<br />

Bhagavan: It is the jnani’s state. In sleep our ego is<br />

submerged and the sense organs are not active. The jnani’s<br />

ego has been killed and he does not indulge in any sense<br />

activities of his own accord or with the notion that he is the<br />

doer. So he is in sleep. At the same time he is not unconscious<br />

as in sleep, but fully awake in the Self; so his state is<br />

sleepless. This sleepless sleep, wakeful sleep, or whatever<br />

it may be called, is the turiya state of the Self, on which as<br />

the screen, all the three avasthas, the waking, dream and<br />

sleep, pass, leaving the screen unaffected.” Bhagavan said<br />

that instead of holding on to that which exists, we are looking<br />

for that which does not. We bother about the past and the<br />

future, not realising the truth of the present. We do not know<br />

the ‘A§’ (beginning) or the ‘@kRm’ (end). But we know<br />

the middle. If we find out the truth of this, we shall know<br />

the beginning and the end. Bhagavan quoted from Bhagavad<br />

Gita: “I am in the heart of all beings and am their beginning,<br />

middle and end.” Bhagavan also said the reality is only<br />

mauna and quoted Thayumanavar:<br />

úYßTÓe NUVùUpXôm ×ÏkÕ Tôod¡u<br />

®[eÏUWm ùTôÚú[¨u ®}Vôh PpXôp<br />

UôßTÓe LÚj§p~ Ø¥®p úUô]<br />

Yô¬§«p S§j§WsúTôp YVe¡t \mUô<br />

(LpXô-u#25)<br />

(i.e., If we scrutinise all the religions which look so different,<br />

we find nothing discrepant at all in them, but they are only<br />

your (Lord’s) sport. They all end in quiescence or mauna, as<br />

rivers merge in the sea).<br />

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