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V.: It is said only some are chosen for Self-realisation<br />

and those alone could get it. It is rather discouraging.<br />

B.: All that is meant is, we cannot <strong>by</strong> our own buddhi,<br />

unaided <strong>by</strong> God’s grace, achieve realisation of Self.<br />

I added, “Bhagavan also says that even that grace does<br />

not come arbitrarily, but because one deserves it <strong>by</strong> one’s own<br />

efforts either in this or in previous lives.”<br />

V.: Human effort is declared to be useless. What incentive<br />

can any man then have to better himself?<br />

I asked, “Where is it said you should make no effort or<br />

that your effort is useless?”<br />

The visitor thereupon showed the portion in Who am I?<br />

where it is said, “When there is one great Force looking after<br />

all the world, why should we bother what we shall do?” I<br />

pointed out that what is deprecated there is not human effort,<br />

but the feeling that “I am the doer”. Bhagavan approved of<br />

my explanation, when I asked him if it was not so.<br />

Af After Af er ernoon er noon<br />

Bhagavan said he once had a dream that he went to Palni<br />

and that he then devoured the Palni God (Lord Subramanya);<br />

and that he had at another time a dream that he visited<br />

Tiruchendur temple (where also the deity is Lord Subramanya).<br />

The details of this dream Bhagavan does not remember.<br />

I remembered that some people once wanted to know if a<br />

jivanmukta can have dreams. The doubt is natural, because we<br />

believe jnanis have no sleep like ordinary men. So they may not<br />

have dreams. I therefore asked Bhagavan about this matter, and<br />

he said, “If the jnani can have a waking state, what is the difficulty<br />

about his having a dream state? But of course as his waking state<br />

is different from the ordinary man’s waking state, so his dream<br />

state also will be different from the ordinary man’s dream state.<br />

Whether in waking or in dream he will not slip from his real<br />

state which is sometimes called the fourth or turiya state.”<br />

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