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1<br />
1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE 11TH<br />
JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR MIAMI-DADE<br />
2 COUNTY, FLORIDA<br />
3 GENERAL JURISDICTION DIVISION<br />
4 CASE NO. 00-9130 (CA-04)<br />
5<br />
6 MICHAEL FOX, :<br />
:<br />
7 Pla<strong>in</strong>tiff, :<br />
:<br />
8 vs. :<br />
:<br />
9 SOUTH DADE HEALTHCARE GROUP, LTD., d/b/a:<br />
DEERING HOSPITAL, ELLIOT N. LANG, M.D., :<br />
10 SOUTH DADE ORTHOPAEDIC ASSOCIATES, INC.,:<br />
a Florida corporation, LAWRENCE REITMAN,:<br />
11 M.D., RIGHETTI, GREGG, REITMAN & NADEL :<br />
RADIOLOGY ASSOCIATES, P.A., ROBERT :<br />
12 CORDOBA, M.D., and ROBERT CORDOBA, M.D, :<br />
P.A., :<br />
13 :<br />
Defendants. :<br />
14 ________________________________________:<br />
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DEPOSITION OF ELLIOT LANG, M.D.<br />
20 taken before Philip D. Rose, Court Reporter and<br />
21 Notary Public <strong>in</strong> and for <strong>the</strong> State <strong>of</strong> Florida at<br />
22 Large, at Suite 1110, 9350 South Dixie Highway,<br />
23 Miami, Florida, on Wednesday, March 6th, 2002,<br />
24 commenc<strong>in</strong>g at 4:00 p.m., pursuant to Re-Notice <strong>of</strong><br />
25 Tak<strong>in</strong>g Deposition Duces Tecum.<br />
1 APPEARANCES:<br />
2<br />
2 LAW OFFICES OF ROBERT RUBENSTEIN<br />
(BY MR. KENNETH SPIEGELMAN)<br />
3 Suite 1110<br />
9350 South Dixie Highway
4 Miami, Florida 33156<br />
on behalf <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Pla<strong>in</strong>tiff.<br />
5<br />
6 PARENTI, FALK, WAAS, HERNANDEZ & CORTINA<br />
(BY MS. KHRISTEN S. VACHAL)<br />
7 113 Almeria Avenue<br />
Coral Gables, Florida 33134<br />
8 on behalf <strong>of</strong> Defendant Deer<strong>in</strong>g Hospital.<br />
9<br />
MINTZER, SAROWITZ, ZERIS, LEDVA & MEYERS<br />
10 (BY MS. NAOMI ZIMMERMAN)<br />
Suite 1102, Douglas Center<br />
11 2600 Douglas Road<br />
Coral Gables, Florida 33134<br />
12 on behalf <strong>of</strong> Defendant Cordoba.<br />
13<br />
GEORGE, HARTZ, LUNDEEN, FULMER,<br />
14 JOHNSTONE, KING & STEVENS<br />
(BY MS. STACEY MARGULIES)<br />
15 (VIA TELEPHONE)<br />
4800 LeJeune Road<br />
16 Coral Gables, Florida 33146<br />
on behalf <strong>of</strong> Defendant Reitman<br />
17<br />
18 STEPHENS, LYNN<br />
(BY MS. LYNN AUDIE)<br />
19 Penthouse II, Two Datran Center<br />
9130 South Dadeland Boulevard<br />
20 Miami, Florida 33156<br />
on behalf <strong>of</strong> Defendant Lane.<br />
21<br />
22 I N D E X<br />
23 WITNESS DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS<br />
24 ELLIOTT LANG, M.D.<br />
25 By Mr. Spiegelman 4 --<br />
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By Ms. Vachal -- --<br />
By Ms. Zimmerman -- --<br />
By Ms. Margulies -- --<br />
By Ms. Audie -- --<br />
6 E X H I B I T S<br />
7 PLAINTIFF'S FOR IDENTIFICATION PAGE<br />
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1 Thereupon:<br />
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2 ELLIOT LANG, M.D.<br />
3 after hav<strong>in</strong>g been duly sworn, was exam<strong>in</strong>ed and<br />
4 testified as follows:<br />
5 DIRECT EXAMINATION<br />
6 BY MR. SPIEGELMAN:<br />
7 Q. Doctor, tell me your name, please.<br />
8 A. Elliot N. Lang.<br />
9 Q. My name is Ken Spiegelman. I<br />
10 represent Michael Fox. I'm go<strong>in</strong>g to take your
11 deposition today. Make sure you speak up nice and<br />
12 loud. Miss Margulies, who represents Dr. Reitman,<br />
13 is appear<strong>in</strong>g by telephone.<br />
14 If you don't understand one <strong>of</strong> my<br />
15 questions, ask me to repeat it or rephrase it. If<br />
16 I talk too fast, which I sometimes do, ask me to<br />
17 slow down. If you need to take a break, tell me<br />
18 and we will take a break.<br />
19 If you need to refer to <strong>the</strong> records,<br />
20 please let me know that you're do<strong>in</strong>g that, and I<br />
21 th<strong>in</strong>k that's pretty much it. You need to give<br />
22 audible responses. I'm pretty sure you've given<br />
23 depositions before, is that correct?<br />
24 A. Yes.<br />
25 Q. What is your occupation?<br />
1 A. Orthopedic surgeon.<br />
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2 Q. How long have you been an orthopedic<br />
3 surgeon?<br />
4 A. 22 years.<br />
5 Q. What is your pr<strong>of</strong>essional address?<br />
6 A. 9299 Southwest 152nd Street, Suite<br />
7 103, Miami 33157.<br />
8 Q. Are you part <strong>of</strong> a pr<strong>of</strong>essional<br />
9 association?<br />
10 A. Yes.<br />
11 Q. What's <strong>the</strong> name <strong>of</strong> it?<br />
12 A. South Dade Orthopaedics.<br />
13 Q. Are <strong>the</strong>re any o<strong>the</strong>r medical doctors<br />
14 who are part <strong>of</strong> that pr<strong>of</strong>essional association?
15 A. Yes.<br />
16 Q. Who are <strong>the</strong>y?<br />
17 A. Theodore Evans.<br />
18 Q. Anyone else?<br />
19 A. No.<br />
20 Q. How long have you and Dr. Evans<br />
21 worked toge<strong>the</strong>r?<br />
22 A. S<strong>in</strong>ce 1989.<br />
23 Q. Was South Dade Orthopaedics <strong>in</strong><br />
24 existence <strong>in</strong> February <strong>of</strong> '99?<br />
25 A. No.<br />
6<br />
1 Q. When did that pr<strong>of</strong>essional entity --<br />
2 when was that pr<strong>of</strong>essional association created?<br />
3 A. March <strong>of</strong> '99.<br />
4 Q. So back at <strong>the</strong> time that you were<br />
5 <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> care <strong>of</strong> Michael Fox, were you part<br />
6 <strong>of</strong> a pr<strong>of</strong>essional association?<br />
7 A. No, I was part <strong>of</strong> an <strong>in</strong>corporation.<br />
8 Q. What was <strong>the</strong> name <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
9 <strong>in</strong>corporation?<br />
10 A. South Dade Orthopaedics Inc., which<br />
11 was owned a hundred percent by HealthSouth.<br />
12 Q. HealthSouth what?<br />
13 A. Corporation.<br />
14 Q. HealthSouth Inc.?<br />
15 A. I don't know. HealthSouth that owns<br />
16 <strong>the</strong> hospitals.<br />
17 Q. Who was your corporate attorney back
18 <strong>in</strong> February '99?<br />
19 A. Stanley Kuperste<strong>in</strong>.<br />
20 Q. Does he still do your corporate work?<br />
21 A. Yes.<br />
22 Q. Is he <strong>in</strong> Miami?<br />
23 A. Yes.<br />
24 Q. Were you an employee <strong>of</strong> South Dade<br />
25 Orthopaedics Inc. <strong>in</strong> February 1999?<br />
1 A. Yes.<br />
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2 Q. Were you an employee <strong>of</strong> HealthSouth<br />
3 Inc. <strong>in</strong> February <strong>of</strong> 1999?<br />
4 A. I don't know. I -- yes, <strong>the</strong>y paid my<br />
5 paycheck, so I'm assum<strong>in</strong>g that I was, but I'm not<br />
6 sure what <strong>the</strong> reality -- who I was an employee <strong>of</strong>,<br />
7 if that meant that I was an employee <strong>of</strong><br />
8 HealthSouth or not.<br />
9 Q. When you got your paycheck, it came<br />
10 from HealthSouth?<br />
11 A. Correct.<br />
12 Q. From <strong>the</strong>ir bank?<br />
13 A. Yes.<br />
14 Q. Where did you go to college?<br />
15 A. City College <strong>of</strong> New York.<br />
16 Q. When did you graduate?<br />
17 A. 1968.<br />
18 Q. How old are you?<br />
19 A. 56.<br />
20 Q. Are you married?<br />
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. Any children?<br />
23 A. Three.<br />
24 Q. How old are <strong>the</strong>y?<br />
25 A. 28, 21, 17.<br />
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1 Q. What did you get your college degree<br />
2 <strong>in</strong>?<br />
3 A. Chemical eng<strong>in</strong>eer<strong>in</strong>g.<br />
4 Q. Did you graduate with honors?<br />
5 A. Yes.<br />
6 Q. Where did you go to medical school?<br />
7 A. Temple, Philadelphia, PA.<br />
8 Q. What year did you f<strong>in</strong>ish?<br />
9 A. 1975.<br />
10 Q. Were you <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> service?<br />
11 A. No.<br />
12 Q. My understand<strong>in</strong>g, <strong>the</strong>re was a draft<br />
13 <strong>the</strong>n?<br />
14 A. Yes.<br />
15 Q. Did you avoid <strong>the</strong> draft?<br />
16 A. I had been drafted for a job.<br />
17 Q. Which was what?<br />
18 A. I was a research chemical eng<strong>in</strong>eer<br />
19 for a firm <strong>in</strong> Philadelphia.<br />
20 Q. What year did you start medical<br />
21 school?<br />
22 A. 1972 -- '71.<br />
23 Q. Got <strong>the</strong> medical degree <strong>in</strong> '75?<br />
24 A. Correct.
25 Q. With honors?<br />
1 A. I don't know. I don't th<strong>in</strong>k so.<br />
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2 Q. Where did you do your <strong>in</strong>ternship?<br />
3 A. Temple University Hospital <strong>in</strong><br />
4 Philadelphia.<br />
5 Q. Was that straight medic<strong>in</strong>e?<br />
6 A. No. Surgery.<br />
7 Q. What years -- dur<strong>in</strong>g what years did<br />
8 you do your surgical <strong>in</strong>ternship?<br />
9 A. '75, '76.<br />
10 Q. Then you did a residency?<br />
11 A. Yes.<br />
12 Q. Where?<br />
13 A. Hospital for Jo<strong>in</strong>t Diseases,<br />
14 Manhattan.<br />
15 Q. That was <strong>in</strong> orthopedic surgery?<br />
16 A. Yes.<br />
17 Q. When did you f<strong>in</strong>ish?<br />
18 A. 1980.<br />
19 Q. Did you ever serve as chief resident?<br />
20 A. Yes.<br />
21 Q. When?<br />
22 A. 1979 to '80.<br />
23 Q. Have you published anyth<strong>in</strong>g?<br />
24 A. Yes.<br />
25 Q. How many articles?<br />
1 A. Actually, just one.<br />
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2 Q. What's it about?<br />
3 A. About radial artery abnormalities
4 with respect to <strong>the</strong> upper extremity.<br />
5 Q. You mean <strong>the</strong> arm?<br />
6 A. Yes.<br />
7 Q. What's it published <strong>in</strong>, if I want to<br />
8 look it up?<br />
9 A. The -- I'm try<strong>in</strong>g to th<strong>in</strong>k <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
10 exact term <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> publication article. It's<br />
11 basically <strong>the</strong> Hospital for Jo<strong>in</strong>t Diseases'<br />
12 publication, but I can't th<strong>in</strong>k <strong>of</strong> what it's<br />
13 called.<br />
14 Q. How long ago is that when you wrote<br />
15 this article?<br />
16 A. '77 or someth<strong>in</strong>g like that.<br />
17 Q. Are you Board-certified?<br />
18 A. Yes.<br />
19 Q. In what specialty?<br />
20 A. Orthopedic surgery.<br />
21 Q. Did you pass your Board <strong>the</strong> first<br />
22 time?<br />
23 A. No.<br />
24 Q. Okay. My understand<strong>in</strong>g is you take a<br />
25 written test and <strong>the</strong>n an oral test.<br />
1 A. Yes.<br />
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2 Q. When did you f<strong>in</strong>ally pass and become<br />
3 Board-certified?<br />
4 A. 1982.<br />
5 Q. Okay. How many times did you have to<br />
6 take <strong>the</strong> written test?
7 A. Well, you have to take both <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>m<br />
8 each time you take <strong>the</strong> Board.<br />
9 Q. Do you know which part you failed?<br />
10 A. Yes, I failed <strong>the</strong> oral test and<br />
11 passed <strong>the</strong> written test both times, failed <strong>the</strong><br />
12 oral test <strong>the</strong> first time, passed it <strong>the</strong> second.<br />
13 Q. So it took two times for you to pass<br />
14 <strong>the</strong> test?<br />
15 A. Correct.<br />
16 Q. You're licensed to practice <strong>in</strong><br />
17 Florida?<br />
18 A. Yes.<br />
19 Q. S<strong>in</strong>ce when?<br />
20 A. 1980.<br />
21 Q. Did you ever hold a medical license<br />
22 <strong>in</strong> any o<strong>the</strong>r state?<br />
23 A. New York.<br />
24 Q. Do you still have a license <strong>in</strong> New<br />
25 York?<br />
1 A. No.<br />
12<br />
2 Q. Were you ever subject to a medical<br />
3 negligence proceed<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> New York?<br />
4 A. No.<br />
5 Q. How about <strong>in</strong> Pennsylvania?<br />
6 A. No.<br />
7 Q. Any o<strong>the</strong>r medical negligence case<br />
8 brought aga<strong>in</strong>st you <strong>in</strong> Florida o<strong>the</strong>r than this<br />
9 one?<br />
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. How many?<br />
12 A. I th<strong>in</strong>k <strong>the</strong>re were four. I don't<br />
13 have a direct recall.<br />
14 Q. Is that four o<strong>the</strong>r than this one --<br />
15 A. I th<strong>in</strong>k ---<br />
16 Q. (Cont<strong>in</strong>u<strong>in</strong>g) -- or four <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>g<br />
17 this one?<br />
18 A. I th<strong>in</strong>k <strong>the</strong>re were four o<strong>the</strong>r than<br />
19 this one.<br />
20 Q. So five total?<br />
21 A. Let me th<strong>in</strong>k about that for a m<strong>in</strong>ute.<br />
22 Five total as far as I know.<br />
23 Q. Are any <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>m still pend<strong>in</strong>g, o<strong>the</strong>r<br />
24 than this one?<br />
25 A. Not to my knowledge.<br />
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1 Q. Do you remember <strong>the</strong> details <strong>of</strong> any <strong>of</strong><br />
2 <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r cases?<br />
3 A. Some <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>m I do, yes.<br />
4 Q. Did any <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>m go to trial?<br />
5 A. Yes.<br />
6 Q. How many?<br />
7 A. One.<br />
8 Q. What happened at <strong>the</strong> trial?<br />
9 A. It was a defense verdict.<br />
10 Q. Do you know who <strong>the</strong> pla<strong>in</strong>tiff's<br />
11 attorney was <strong>in</strong> that case?<br />
12 A. I want to say Lyons, but I'm not<br />
13 sure. It was about 12 years ago.
14 Q. Was that brought <strong>in</strong> Dade County?<br />
15 A. Yes.<br />
16 Q. What was <strong>the</strong> allegation <strong>in</strong> that case?<br />
17 A. Malpractice with reference to a<br />
18 compound upper extremity fracture.<br />
19 MS. MARGULIES: I'm sorry, could you<br />
20 repeat that?<br />
21 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Malpractice <strong>in</strong><br />
22 regard to an upper extremity fracture.<br />
23 THE WITNESS: Compound.<br />
24 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) The o<strong>the</strong>r cases,<br />
25 what were <strong>the</strong> outcomes?<br />
14<br />
1 A. I'm try<strong>in</strong>g to remember <strong>the</strong>m. There<br />
2 was one <strong>in</strong> 1980 -- '80 or '81.<br />
3 It was a child with tibia vara that<br />
4 underwent <strong>the</strong> surgical procedure and had a<br />
5 complication <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> surgery where <strong>the</strong>re wasn't<br />
6 sufficient correction. That was settled, and <strong>the</strong><br />
7 next one ---<br />
8 Q. Hang on. The one -- <strong>the</strong> child with<br />
9 tibia vara, do you know who <strong>the</strong> pla<strong>in</strong>tiff's<br />
10 attorney was?<br />
11 A. No.<br />
12 Q. Was <strong>the</strong>re a lawsuit filed for that?<br />
13 A. I don't know <strong>the</strong> legalities <strong>of</strong> it. I<br />
14 would imag<strong>in</strong>e <strong>the</strong>re would have been if it was<br />
15 settled, but I don't know that for a fact.<br />
16 Q. What about <strong>the</strong> next one?<br />
17 A. The next one was a tibial fracture
18 that had an external fixator placed. I'm try<strong>in</strong>g<br />
19 to th<strong>in</strong>k <strong>of</strong> exactly <strong>the</strong> details.<br />
20 Q. Was a lawsuit filed for that one?<br />
21 A. I believe -- aga<strong>in</strong>, I don't know for<br />
22 sure. There was a settlement <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> case, but I<br />
23 don't know if <strong>the</strong>re was a lawsuit filed.<br />
24 Q. What about <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r one?<br />
25 A. Next one was a compound upper<br />
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1 extremity fracture which went to trial and had a<br />
2 defense verdict.<br />
3 Q. So two cases have gone to trial?<br />
4 A. No.<br />
5 Q. No, that was <strong>the</strong> one -- okay, I'm<br />
6 sorry. What was <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r one that didn't go to<br />
7 trial?<br />
8 A. A femur fracture. I'm try<strong>in</strong>g to<br />
9 remember where -- my partner was <strong>the</strong> surgeon, I<br />
10 was <strong>the</strong> assistant and I was dropped from <strong>the</strong> case.<br />
11 Q. Any o<strong>the</strong>r malpractice cases where<br />
12 you've been a party that you can th<strong>in</strong>k <strong>of</strong>?<br />
13 A. No.<br />
14 Q. Have you ever served as an expert<br />
15 witness <strong>in</strong> a malpractice case?<br />
16 A. No.<br />
17 Q. Have you ever given a deposition as<br />
18 an expert <strong>in</strong> a malpractice case?<br />
19 A. Includ<strong>in</strong>g my own?<br />
20 Q. Right.
21 A. No.<br />
22 Q. I understand you do defense medical<br />
23 exam<strong>in</strong>ations.<br />
24 A. I do.<br />
25 Q. About how many a year?<br />
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1 A. I do between two and three a week for<br />
2 <strong>the</strong> times when I'm not teach<strong>in</strong>g down at <strong>the</strong><br />
3 university, which is three or four months out <strong>of</strong><br />
4 <strong>the</strong> year.<br />
5 Q. You teach three or four months out <strong>of</strong><br />
6 <strong>the</strong> year?<br />
7 A. Yes.<br />
8 Q. Where do you teach?<br />
9 A. University <strong>of</strong> Miami School <strong>of</strong><br />
10 Medic<strong>in</strong>e, Department <strong>of</strong> Orthopedics.<br />
11 Q. Are you a pr<strong>of</strong>essor, an adjunct<br />
12 pr<strong>of</strong>essor? Tell me about your position.<br />
13 A. Assistant pr<strong>of</strong>essor <strong>of</strong> orthopedics,<br />
14 University <strong>of</strong> Miami.<br />
15 Q. Where do you hold privileges?<br />
16 A. Jackson Memorial Hospital, Baptist<br />
17 Hospital, South Miami Hospital, Jackson South<br />
18 Community Hospital.<br />
19 Q. Which was Deer<strong>in</strong>g Hospital?<br />
20 A. Used to be Deer<strong>in</strong>g Hospital, correct,<br />
21 and Homestead Hospital.<br />
22 Q. Did you review anyth<strong>in</strong>g to prepare<br />
23 yourself for today's deposition?<br />
24 A. My chart.
25 Q. Did you br<strong>in</strong>g it with you today?<br />
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1 A. Yes.<br />
2 Q. Can I see it, please? Is <strong>the</strong>re a<br />
3 Witty, Green, Ste<strong>in</strong>er, Lang & Evans, M.D.?<br />
4 A. Yes. Well, <strong>the</strong>re used to be.<br />
5 Q. How long ago?<br />
6 A. I honestly can't tell you. That was<br />
7 our -- I don't know <strong>the</strong> legalities <strong>of</strong> it, but our<br />
8 corporate name is South Dade Orthopaedics, and I<br />
9 don't know what <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r entity is <strong>in</strong> a legal<br />
10 term. I don't know what <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r entity is <strong>in</strong><br />
11 legal terms, but sometimes it's on our letterhead<br />
12 and sometimes it's -- I don't know.<br />
13 You'd have to ask our corporate<br />
14 attorney about that, what <strong>the</strong> differential is.<br />
15 Q. The reason I ask, <strong>the</strong>re is some<br />
16 documents <strong>in</strong> your chart that has <strong>the</strong> name Green,<br />
17 Ste<strong>in</strong>er, Lang & Evans. You no longer ---<br />
18 A. That used to be our full group, but<br />
19 Dr. Green retired <strong>in</strong> March '99, and Dr. Ste<strong>in</strong>er<br />
20 became disabled <strong>in</strong> November <strong>of</strong> '99, so I guess we<br />
21 never changed <strong>the</strong> stamp.<br />
22 Q. Are you owed any money by Michael<br />
23 Fox?<br />
24 A. I don't know.<br />
25 Q. Who <strong>in</strong> your <strong>of</strong>fice would know that?<br />
18<br />
1 A. Probably my bill<strong>in</strong>g department.<br />
2 Q. Who specifically? Is <strong>the</strong>re a
3 specific person?<br />
4 A. You can ask Maggie Diaz.<br />
5 Q. Do you remember Michael Fox?<br />
6 A. No.<br />
7 Q. If you didn't have <strong>the</strong> chart, would<br />
8 you have any knowledge <strong>of</strong> your <strong>in</strong>volvement <strong>in</strong><br />
9 Michael Fox's care?<br />
10 A. Yes.<br />
11 Q. How?<br />
12 A. I received a notice <strong>of</strong> be<strong>in</strong>g sued.<br />
13 Q. I don't want to know about any<br />
14 conversation you might have had with Ms. Audie or<br />
15 anyone from her <strong>of</strong>fice or anyone from your<br />
16 <strong>in</strong>surance carrier.<br />
17 Have you spoken with anyone else,<br />
18 however, about Michael Fox?<br />
19 A. No.<br />
20 Q. Have you spoken with any <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r<br />
21 doctors who are parties to this lawsuit?<br />
22 A. No.<br />
23 Q. Have you spoken to anyone at Deer<strong>in</strong>g<br />
24 Hospital about this matter?<br />
25 A. No.<br />
19<br />
1 Q. As you sit here today, do you have<br />
2 any <strong>in</strong>dependent recollection <strong>of</strong> Michael Fox?<br />
3 A. No.<br />
4 Q. As you sit here today, do you have<br />
5 any <strong>in</strong>dependent recollection <strong>of</strong> any conversations<br />
6 you might have had with Michael Fox?
7 A. No.<br />
8 Q. Do you know if you <strong>in</strong> fact saw<br />
9 Michael Fox while he was at <strong>the</strong> hospital on<br />
10 February 5th, 1999?<br />
11 A. Yes.<br />
12 Q. How do you know that?<br />
13 A. I wrote a note <strong>in</strong>dicat<strong>in</strong>g my<br />
14 exam<strong>in</strong>ation <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> patient.<br />
15 Q. Where did you write <strong>the</strong> note?<br />
16 A. At <strong>the</strong> hospital.<br />
17 Q. Is this that note?<br />
18 A. Yes.<br />
19 Q. Would you give me <strong>the</strong> <strong>court</strong>esy -- I<br />
20 mean, your handwrit<strong>in</strong>g's better than m<strong>in</strong>e, but<br />
21 it's still somewhat -- it's pretty close, it's<br />
22 somewhat illegible. Read me your note verbatim<br />
23 <strong>in</strong>to <strong>the</strong> record, please.<br />
24 MS. AUDIE: But read it slowly.<br />
25 THE WITNESS: You want me to<br />
20<br />
1 translate <strong>the</strong> abbreviations <strong>in</strong>to what <strong>the</strong>y mean?<br />
2 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Yes.<br />
3 THE WITNESS: "Black male push<strong>in</strong>g<br />
4 car, knee gave way, question hip bumper/ground.<br />
5 Compla<strong>in</strong>s <strong>of</strong> pa<strong>in</strong>. Left knee X-ray, small chip<br />
6 <strong>in</strong>ferior tibial plateau, poor historian secondary<br />
7 to medic<strong>in</strong>e.<br />
8 Physical exam<strong>in</strong>ation: Compla<strong>in</strong>ts <strong>of</strong><br />
9 pa<strong>in</strong> left knee, po<strong>in</strong>t tenderness medial lateral
10 plateau, patellar/femoral jo<strong>in</strong>t, question positive<br />
11 draw but spl<strong>in</strong>t<strong>in</strong>g. Hard to exam<strong>in</strong>e. No<br />
12 effusion, full neurovascular, good dorsal pulse,<br />
13 posterior tibial pulse, sensation <strong>in</strong>tact.<br />
14 Impression, old versus new chip<br />
15 fracture tibial plateau, rule out ACL, new/old.<br />
16 Recommendation: Spl<strong>in</strong>t, follow-up <strong>of</strong>fice 24<br />
17 hours."<br />
18 Q. Did you ever recommend that Michael<br />
19 Fox be admitted to <strong>the</strong> hospital?<br />
20 A. No.<br />
21 Q. Did you ever recommend an angiogram<br />
22 for Michael Fox?<br />
23 A. No.<br />
24 Q. If you had wanted to order an<br />
25 angiogram for Michael Fox, is that someth<strong>in</strong>g you<br />
21<br />
1 were allowed to do based on your privileges at<br />
2 Deer<strong>in</strong>g Hospital?<br />
3 A. Yes.<br />
4 Q. Why didn't you order an angiogram?<br />
5 A. My cl<strong>in</strong>ical exam<strong>in</strong>ation and <strong>the</strong><br />
6 history with respect to <strong>the</strong> patient didn't warrant<br />
7 it.<br />
8 Q. Why not?<br />
9 A. Because <strong>the</strong> cl<strong>in</strong>ical exam<strong>in</strong>ation<br />
10 showed that he had no neurovascular deficit and<br />
11 that he had a history <strong>of</strong> hav<strong>in</strong>g an unstable knee<br />
12 prior to <strong>the</strong> exam<strong>in</strong>ation.<br />
13 Q. Where does your note <strong>in</strong>dicate a
14 history <strong>of</strong> an unstable knee prior on <strong>the</strong><br />
15 exam<strong>in</strong>ation?<br />
16 A. It doesn't.<br />
17 Q. So how do you know he had a history<br />
18 <strong>of</strong> an unstable knee?<br />
19 A. The emergency room record and <strong>the</strong><br />
20 hospital personnel <strong>in</strong>dicated that to me.<br />
21 Q. Specifically which person <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
22 emergency room noted that to you?<br />
23 A. I don't know who. It's just written<br />
24 on <strong>the</strong> chart.<br />
25 Q. Why did you document that he was a<br />
22<br />
1 pour historian secondary to medication?<br />
2 A. Because I don't have any direct<br />
3 recall to this, but I do know when people have<br />
4 analgesics on board and cannot give me a real care<br />
5 history.<br />
6 Q. That would have been secondary to<br />
7 medication he was given for pa<strong>in</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> emergency<br />
8 room?<br />
9 A. I would assume so, yes.<br />
10 Q. Did you have any reason to assume it<br />
11 was someth<strong>in</strong>g else?<br />
12 A. I don't know that for a fact, but<br />
13 that's what I would assume.<br />
14 Q. If <strong>in</strong> fact Michael Fox did not have a<br />
15 history <strong>of</strong> unstable knee, would that have changed<br />
16 your op<strong>in</strong>ion at all with respect to whe<strong>the</strong>r or
17 not an angiogram was needed?<br />
18 A. No.<br />
19 Q. Why not?<br />
20 A. Because my exam<strong>in</strong>ation showed that he<br />
21 had a neurovascular exam<strong>in</strong>ation that was <strong>in</strong>tact<br />
22 and didn't warrant it, based on my exam<strong>in</strong>ation.<br />
23 Q. So <strong>in</strong> essence, <strong>the</strong>n, Doctor, is it<br />
24 fair for me to assume that any history that he<br />
25 might or might not have had about <strong>in</strong>stability <strong>in</strong><br />
23<br />
1 his knee was essentially irrelevant to your<br />
2 determ<strong>in</strong>ation <strong>of</strong> whe<strong>the</strong>r or not he needed an<br />
3 angiogram?<br />
4 A. Correct.<br />
5 Q. Did you have any history, at <strong>the</strong> time<br />
6 that you saw Michael Fox, <strong>of</strong> him twist<strong>in</strong>g his knee<br />
7 when you exam<strong>in</strong>ed him?<br />
8 A. Yes.<br />
9 Q. Okay. Was that history that he gave<br />
10 you or history that was available <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> chart?<br />
11 A. I don't know.<br />
12 Q. Did you have any history <strong>of</strong> him<br />
13 dislocat<strong>in</strong>g his knee, lead<strong>in</strong>g to him be<strong>in</strong>g seen <strong>in</strong><br />
14 <strong>the</strong> emergency room?<br />
15 A. No.<br />
16 Q. If you did have that history, would<br />
17 that have changed your op<strong>in</strong>ion at all with respect<br />
18 to whe<strong>the</strong>r or not an angiogram was necessary?<br />
19 MS. VACHAL: Objection.<br />
20 THE WITNESS: No.
21 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Why not?<br />
22 A. Because he had a history <strong>of</strong> hav<strong>in</strong>g an<br />
23 unstable knee to beg<strong>in</strong> with.<br />
24 Q. What is <strong>the</strong> anatomy <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> popliteal<br />
25 artery with respect to <strong>the</strong> tibial plateau?<br />
24<br />
1 A. It's directly beh<strong>in</strong>d <strong>the</strong> plateau and<br />
2 te<strong>the</strong>red by a fibrous band to keep it from mov<strong>in</strong>g<br />
3 around.<br />
4 Q. Is <strong>the</strong>re any risk to <strong>the</strong> popliteal<br />
5 artery -- am I pronounc<strong>in</strong>g it correctly?<br />
6 A. You are.<br />
7 Q. Is <strong>the</strong>re any risk to <strong>the</strong> popliteal<br />
8 artery if a patient suffers a fracture <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
9 tibial plateau?<br />
10 A. There can be.<br />
11 Q. Under what circumstances?<br />
12 A. If a piece <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> fracture fragment<br />
13 contacts <strong>the</strong> area, <strong>the</strong>r's a jagged piece with<br />
14 respect to it.<br />
15 Q. What steps do you take to <strong>in</strong>sure that<br />
16 such a jagged piece does not <strong>in</strong>jure or damage <strong>the</strong><br />
17 popliteal artery?<br />
18 A. You check <strong>the</strong> pulse and exam<strong>in</strong>e <strong>the</strong><br />
19 patient.<br />
20 Q. Well, how will check<strong>in</strong>g <strong>the</strong> pulse<br />
21 <strong>in</strong>sure that <strong>the</strong> jagged piece isn't <strong>in</strong>jur<strong>in</strong>g <strong>the</strong><br />
22 popliteal artery?<br />
23 A. Well, first <strong>of</strong> all you check to see
24 if it's <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> vic<strong>in</strong>ity <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery,<br />
25 <strong>the</strong>n you can check <strong>the</strong> pulse and <strong>the</strong><br />
25<br />
1 neurovascular, and if <strong>the</strong>re's no abnormality, <strong>the</strong>n<br />
2 it's not affect<strong>in</strong>g it at <strong>the</strong> time <strong>of</strong> your<br />
3 exam<strong>in</strong>ation.<br />
4 Q. Can a patient suffer an <strong>in</strong>jury to <strong>the</strong><br />
5 popliteal artery, yet still have good pedal<br />
6 pulses?<br />
7 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
8 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Doctor?<br />
9 A. If it's a partial <strong>in</strong>jury to it, yes.<br />
10 Q. Can a patient suffer a partial <strong>in</strong>jury<br />
11 to <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery, yet still have good<br />
12 neurovascular status at <strong>the</strong> time <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
13 exam<strong>in</strong>ation?<br />
14 A. Yes.<br />
15 MS. AUDIE: Same objection.<br />
16 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Have you seen<br />
17 that happen before?<br />
18 A. Yes.<br />
19 Q. So what do you do to <strong>in</strong>sure that a<br />
20 patient has not susta<strong>in</strong>ed an <strong>in</strong>jury to <strong>the</strong><br />
21 popliteal artery when <strong>the</strong>y're <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> emergency<br />
22 room?<br />
23 A. You check <strong>the</strong> neurovascular status<br />
24 and <strong>the</strong>n tell <strong>the</strong>m to follow-up with you with<strong>in</strong> a<br />
25 short period <strong>of</strong> time.<br />
1 Q. How much time?<br />
26<br />
2 A. 24 hours.
3 Q. Why 24 hours?<br />
4 A. It's just <strong>the</strong> next day.<br />
5 Q. Are <strong>the</strong>re any risks to <strong>the</strong> patient,<br />
6 if <strong>in</strong> fact an <strong>in</strong>jury was susta<strong>in</strong>ed to <strong>the</strong><br />
7 popliteal artery and it is not treated dur<strong>in</strong>g that<br />
8 24-hour period?<br />
9 A. If it gets worse, yes.<br />
10 Q. What are <strong>the</strong> risks?<br />
11 A. That a patient can undergo gradual<br />
12 <strong>in</strong>crease <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> symptoms with respect to it.<br />
13 Q. Have you ever ordered an angiogram<br />
14 for a patient who has suffered a tibial plateau<br />
15 fracture?<br />
16 A. No.<br />
17 Q. Why not?<br />
18 A. It wasn't warranted.<br />
19 Q. How <strong>of</strong>ten have you ordered an<br />
20 angiogram for patients who suffer lower leg<br />
21 <strong>in</strong>juries?<br />
22 A. Probably about five or ten times <strong>in</strong><br />
23 my career. I don't know for sure.<br />
24 Q. And under what circumstances do you<br />
25 do it?<br />
27<br />
1 A. When <strong>the</strong>y've had decreased pulses,<br />
2 changes <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir vascular symptoms and signs with<br />
3 respect to <strong>the</strong> leg after an <strong>in</strong>jury.<br />
4 Q. What changes <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> vascular symptoms<br />
5 or signs would warrant an angiogram, <strong>in</strong> your
6 op<strong>in</strong>ion?<br />
7 A. Decreased pulse, change -- gross<br />
8 change <strong>in</strong> sensation.<br />
9 Q. Gross change <strong>in</strong> sensation, what does<br />
10 that mean?<br />
11 A. Change <strong>in</strong> sensation.<br />
12 Q. Like <strong>the</strong>y get numb?<br />
13 A. Correct.<br />
14 Q. What about feel<strong>in</strong>g a temperature<br />
15 change <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> extremity?<br />
16 A. Only if it's partial.<br />
17 Q. What do you mean?<br />
18 A. Well, basically, if <strong>the</strong> arterial<br />
19 supply is cut <strong>of</strong>f, <strong>the</strong>n <strong>the</strong>re is no temperature<br />
20 change, because you have no feel<strong>in</strong>g with respect<br />
21 to it.<br />
22 Q. What if <strong>the</strong> patient compla<strong>in</strong>s that<br />
23 <strong>the</strong>ir foot is cold? Would that matter to you with<br />
24 respect to whe<strong>the</strong>r or not to order an angiogram?<br />
25 A. If <strong>the</strong> neurovascular exam<strong>in</strong>ation at<br />
28<br />
1 that time did not coord<strong>in</strong>ate with it, no.<br />
2 Q. What if <strong>the</strong> patient told you his foot<br />
3 was cold, yet you found that his neurovascular<br />
4 status was okay? What would that mean to you, Dr.<br />
5 Lang?<br />
6 A. Well, it could mean that he's had<br />
7 <strong>in</strong>creased sweat<strong>in</strong>g with respect to his lower<br />
8 extremity and evaporation. It could mean a lot <strong>of</strong><br />
9 th<strong>in</strong>gs, but <strong>the</strong> vascular exam<strong>in</strong>ation is <strong>the</strong> way to
10 tell what's go<strong>in</strong>g on with regard to <strong>the</strong> -- and a<br />
11 sensory exam<strong>in</strong>ation.<br />
12 Q. What causes <strong>in</strong>creased sweat<strong>in</strong>g and<br />
13 evaporation?<br />
14 A. Nervousness on <strong>the</strong> patient's part.<br />
15 Q. And you've seen that just <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
16 lower extremity?<br />
17 A. You can.<br />
18 Q. Did Michael Fox ever tell you that<br />
19 his foot was cold?<br />
20 A. No.<br />
21 Q. Did you have any difficulty with<br />
22 Michael Fox while he was <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> emergency room?<br />
23 A. I don't have any direct recall to<br />
24 hav<strong>in</strong>g any, but I don't remember him directly<br />
25 ei<strong>the</strong>r, so ---<br />
29<br />
1 Q. What's <strong>the</strong> purpose <strong>of</strong> an angiogram?<br />
2 A. To assess <strong>the</strong> vascular supply to <strong>the</strong><br />
3 extremity or to <strong>the</strong> body <strong>in</strong> general.<br />
4 Q. Did you have any contact with Michael<br />
5 Fox after he left <strong>the</strong> emergency room?<br />
6 A. No.<br />
7 Q. Did you feel he was stable to leave<br />
8 <strong>the</strong> emergency room?<br />
9 A. Yes.<br />
10 Q. Did you feel that he was <strong>in</strong> any<br />
11 immediate or imm<strong>in</strong>ent danger from leav<strong>in</strong>g <strong>the</strong><br />
12 emergency room?
13 A. No.<br />
14 Q. Did you feel his medical condition<br />
15 was stable when you discharged him from <strong>the</strong><br />
16 emergency room?<br />
17 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
18 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Withdraw <strong>the</strong><br />
19 question.<br />
20 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Did you make <strong>the</strong><br />
21 discharge <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> emergency room?<br />
22 A. No.<br />
23 Q. Did you feel that he was medically<br />
24 stable to be discharged from <strong>the</strong> emergency room?<br />
25 A. When I exam<strong>in</strong>ed him, yes.<br />
30<br />
1 Q. Do you know what time it was when you<br />
2 exam<strong>in</strong>ed him?<br />
3 A. No.<br />
4 Q. Do you know who made <strong>the</strong> decision to<br />
5 discharge him?<br />
6 A. No.<br />
7 Q. Did you okay <strong>the</strong> discharge?<br />
8 A. When I exam<strong>in</strong>ed him I told <strong>the</strong><br />
9 personnel at <strong>the</strong> hospital that I thought he was<br />
10 okay to be discharged, that's correct.<br />
11 Q. Did you document that anywhere <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
12 chart?<br />
13 A. No.<br />
14 Q. The note that you read earlier, and<br />
15 we'll attach a copy <strong>of</strong> that as Pla<strong>in</strong>tiff's Exhibit<br />
16 1 to this deposition today, did you write that
17 contemporaneous with see<strong>in</strong>g Michael Fox <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
18 hospital?<br />
19 A. Yes.<br />
20 Q. Did you have that made a part <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
21 hospital chart?<br />
22 A. I put it on <strong>the</strong> chart <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
23 emergency room.<br />
24 Q. Have you actually personally looked<br />
25 at <strong>the</strong> hospital chart?<br />
1 A. The emergency room chart?<br />
31<br />
2 Q. Yes, sir.<br />
3 A. This is what Miss Audie just gave me.<br />
4 Q. Can I see that? Incidentally,<br />
5 Doctor, while I'm look<strong>in</strong>g at this, did you<br />
6 personally review <strong>the</strong> X-rays for Michael Fox <strong>in</strong><br />
7 <strong>the</strong> emergency room?<br />
8 A. Yes.<br />
9 MS. MARGULIES: Form.<br />
10 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Did you also<br />
11 look on Dr. Reitman's report for <strong>the</strong> left knee and<br />
12 tibia/fibula while you were <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> emergency room?<br />
13 MS. MARGULIES: object to form.<br />
14 MS. AUDIE: At <strong>the</strong> time he saw <strong>the</strong><br />
15 patient?<br />
16 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Yes. Go ahead.<br />
17 THE WITNESS: I don't recall if I did<br />
18 or not.<br />
19 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Do you recall
20 speak<strong>in</strong>g with Dr. Reitman?<br />
21 A. No.<br />
22 MS. MARGULIES: What was that answer?<br />
23 MS. AUDIE: No.<br />
24 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
25 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) The hospital<br />
32<br />
1 chart, one <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> pages <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> hospital chart,<br />
2 Doctor -- see down here, it says "Consult, Dr.<br />
3 Lang was consulted by phone, will admit <strong>the</strong><br />
4 patient."<br />
5 Do you know why it is somebody <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
6 emergency department felt that you were go<strong>in</strong>g to<br />
7 admit <strong>the</strong> patient?<br />
8 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
9 MS. VACHAL: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
10 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
11 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Have you ever<br />
12 talked to anyone -- I'm exclud<strong>in</strong>g your attorney or<br />
13 anyone from her <strong>of</strong>fice, but have you talked to<br />
14 anybody about why <strong>the</strong> chart says that?<br />
15 A. No.<br />
16 Q. Were you curious why <strong>the</strong> chart says<br />
17 that?<br />
18 A. Yes.<br />
19 Q. Why?<br />
20 A. Because that's not -- from my note,<br />
21 that's it.<br />
22 Q. Do you know why it <strong>in</strong>dicates that you<br />
23 were consulted by telephone?
24 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
25 MS. VACHAL: Jo<strong>in</strong>.<br />
1 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
33<br />
2 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Do you know when<br />
3 <strong>the</strong> note, which was Pla<strong>in</strong>tiff's 1 to today's<br />
4 deposition, was made a part <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> hospital chart?<br />
5 A. Which is that?<br />
6 MS. AUDIE: His note?<br />
7 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Yes, his note.<br />
8 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
9 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Did you ever<br />
10 tell Michael Fox to be careful if his foot started<br />
11 turn<strong>in</strong>g blue or got cold?<br />
12 A. I don't have any direct recall what I<br />
13 told Michael Fox directly.<br />
14 Q. As you sit here today look<strong>in</strong>g at your<br />
15 note, Pla<strong>in</strong>tiff's Number 1, are <strong>the</strong>re any general<br />
16 <strong>in</strong>structions you would give a patient who has<br />
17 sussta<strong>in</strong>ed an <strong>in</strong>jury <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> type that Michael Fox<br />
18 had susta<strong>in</strong>ed?<br />
19 A. I normally would, but from my note,<br />
20 it appears that he really wasn't conversant to be<br />
21 able to be told that.<br />
22 Q. Was that based on <strong>the</strong> pa<strong>in</strong> medication<br />
23 he had received?<br />
24 A. I would assume so, yes.<br />
25 Q. Did you -- at <strong>the</strong> time that you<br />
1 exam<strong>in</strong>ed -- well, how long did your exam <strong>of</strong><br />
34
2 Michael Fox take?<br />
3 A. I don't have any direct recall how<br />
4 long it was.<br />
5 Q. You said someth<strong>in</strong>g earlier when you<br />
6 were read<strong>in</strong>g your note, "Question positive draw."<br />
7 MS. AUDIE: Drawer.<br />
8 THE WITNESS: The Drawer sign.<br />
9 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) What does that<br />
10 mean?<br />
11 A. That means that <strong>the</strong>re was some<br />
12 movement <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> tibia on <strong>the</strong> femur with<br />
13 anterior/posterior motion with respect to <strong>the</strong> knee<br />
14 jo<strong>in</strong>t.<br />
15 Q. Is that why you were concerned he<br />
16 might have had an ACL <strong>in</strong>jury?<br />
17 A. Correct.<br />
18 Q. Did that concern you at all with<br />
19 respect to <strong>the</strong> possibility <strong>of</strong> <strong>in</strong>jury to <strong>the</strong><br />
20 popliteal artery?<br />
21 A. Well, that's one <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> reasons you<br />
22 do <strong>the</strong> neurovascular exam, yes.<br />
23 Q. Did it concern you at all with<br />
24 respect to whe<strong>the</strong>r or not <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery was<br />
25 at risk for <strong>in</strong>jury after Michael Fox would leave<br />
35<br />
1 <strong>the</strong> hospital?<br />
2 A. Well, that's why I wanted to see him<br />
3 aga<strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> next day.<br />
4 Q. So when he left <strong>the</strong> hospital on<br />
5 February 5th, 1999, was he at risk for <strong>the</strong> <strong>in</strong>jury
6 to <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery, based on <strong>the</strong> fracture he<br />
7 had susta<strong>in</strong>ed?<br />
8 A. No.<br />
9 Q. Why not?<br />
10 A. Because that was just a small chip<br />
11 fracture <strong>of</strong>f <strong>the</strong> anterior portion <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> tibia.<br />
12 Q. Are you aware that he did, at some<br />
13 po<strong>in</strong>t <strong>in</strong> time, susta<strong>in</strong> an <strong>in</strong>jury to <strong>the</strong> popliteal<br />
14 artery?<br />
15 A. I am now.<br />
16 Q. Do you know how that came about?<br />
17 A. No.<br />
18 Q. No idea?<br />
19 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
20 Argumentative.<br />
21 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
22 MR. SPIEGELMAN: I just want to be<br />
23 sure he's not go<strong>in</strong>g to say someth<strong>in</strong>g else at<br />
24 trial.<br />
25 MS. AUDIE: He's not go<strong>in</strong>g to be<br />
36<br />
1 <strong>of</strong>fer<strong>in</strong>g any op<strong>in</strong>ions as to <strong>the</strong> causation <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
2 popliteal <strong>in</strong>jury. His experts will, but he won't.<br />
3 MR. SPIEGELMAN: That's f<strong>in</strong>e. I<br />
4 assumed his experts would. I just want to be sure<br />
5 he's not go<strong>in</strong>g to.<br />
6 MS. AUDIE: You assume correctly,<br />
7 Ken.<br />
8 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Why was Michael
9 Fox hard to exam<strong>in</strong>e?<br />
10 A. Because he really couldn't give me<br />
11 answers at times to -- I couldn't question him,<br />
12 and basically <strong>in</strong>stead <strong>of</strong> hav<strong>in</strong>g <strong>the</strong> patient tell<br />
13 me <strong>in</strong> words, I had to use, usually <strong>in</strong> this case<br />
14 would have used system responses for <strong>the</strong> patient.<br />
15 For <strong>in</strong>stance, for sensation, a p<strong>in</strong><br />
16 would be used to check to see if <strong>the</strong>re was<br />
17 withdrawal to pa<strong>in</strong>ful stimuli, if sensation was<br />
18 <strong>in</strong>tact.<br />
19 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) So <strong>the</strong> fact that<br />
20 he was hard to exam<strong>in</strong>e was a communication problem<br />
21 that he was hav<strong>in</strong>g?<br />
22 A. Well, he was simply sleep<strong>in</strong>g with<br />
23 respect to <strong>the</strong> exam, is what I'm assum<strong>in</strong>g. I<br />
24 don't have any direct recall, but I wouldn't have<br />
25 written that if someth<strong>in</strong>g like that wasn't <strong>the</strong><br />
37<br />
1 case.<br />
2 Q. Do you know if it had anyth<strong>in</strong>g to do<br />
3 with <strong>the</strong> amount <strong>of</strong> pa<strong>in</strong> that he was <strong>in</strong>?<br />
4 A. I don't know.<br />
5 Q. How would you check his neurovascular<br />
6 status <strong>in</strong> his lower extremity, or how did you?<br />
7 A. I felt for his pulses.<br />
8 Q. Where?<br />
9 A. At his posterior tibial and -- which<br />
10 is beh<strong>in</strong>d <strong>the</strong> medial malleolus, and by his dorsal<br />
11 pedis, which is on top <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> foot. Check <strong>the</strong><br />
12 sensation to withdrawal and <strong>the</strong> temperature <strong>of</strong> his
13 extremity compared to <strong>the</strong> opposite extremity, and<br />
14 o<strong>the</strong>r than that, when it's somebody who is<br />
15 semi-sleep<strong>in</strong>g, <strong>the</strong>re's not much else that I can<br />
16 do.<br />
17 Q. Do you check -- well, when do you<br />
18 check a patient's vascular status <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong>ir lower<br />
19 extremity?<br />
20 A. When <strong>the</strong>y are a -- <strong>the</strong>y have an<br />
21 <strong>in</strong>jury to <strong>the</strong> lower extremity.<br />
22 Q. Any <strong>in</strong>jury to <strong>the</strong> lower extremity?<br />
23 A. Yes.<br />
24 Q. Do you th<strong>in</strong>k that Michael Fox's<br />
25 difficulty <strong>in</strong> giv<strong>in</strong>g you a history, <strong>the</strong> fact that<br />
38<br />
1 he was hard to exam<strong>in</strong>e, had anyth<strong>in</strong>g to do with<br />
2 laceration to his -- or <strong>in</strong>jury to his popliteal<br />
3 artery?<br />
4 A. I can't see how <strong>the</strong> two are related<br />
5 as far as his ability to answer my questions.<br />
6 Q. Do you th<strong>in</strong>k he was able to<br />
7 understand your <strong>in</strong>structions on February 5th,<br />
8 1999?<br />
9 A. I don't th<strong>in</strong>k I gave him any<br />
10 <strong>in</strong>struction. I gave <strong>the</strong> emergency room person<br />
11 <strong>in</strong>struction.<br />
12 Q. Do you know how long after you left<br />
13 Michael Fox it was that he left <strong>the</strong> emergency<br />
14 room?<br />
15 MS. AUDIE: Asked and answered.
16 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
17 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) From look<strong>in</strong>g at<br />
18 <strong>the</strong> hospital chart that Ms. Audie provided you<br />
19 with, are you able to tell anyth<strong>in</strong>g about what<br />
20 time it was that you saw Michael Fox dur<strong>in</strong>g that<br />
21 ER visit on February 5th? And if you want to take<br />
22 a look at it, go ahead.<br />
23 A. I didn't look specifically.<br />
24 Sometimes <strong>the</strong> nurses put down a note when <strong>the</strong><br />
25 doctor came <strong>in</strong>. I don't know if that's <strong>the</strong> case.<br />
39<br />
1 There's no <strong>in</strong>dication on <strong>the</strong> chart.<br />
2 Q. At <strong>the</strong> time you exam<strong>in</strong>ed Michael Fox,<br />
3 did you f<strong>in</strong>d any medial distal femoral swell<strong>in</strong>g?<br />
4 A. Let me review this. I don't have<br />
5 direct recall.<br />
6 Q. You're go<strong>in</strong>g to refer to your note?<br />
7 A. Yes, I'm sorry, I should say that.<br />
8 Q. Go ahead.<br />
9 A. S<strong>in</strong>ce I don't have any direct recall<br />
10 to <strong>the</strong> day, I can only refer to my note, and<br />
11 <strong>the</strong>re's no case <strong>of</strong> that <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> note.<br />
12 Q. If you had seen that at <strong>the</strong> time you<br />
13 had exam<strong>in</strong>ed him, would that have changed anyth<strong>in</strong>g<br />
14 with respect to what you did, or what you did for<br />
15 Mr. Fox?<br />
16 A. No.<br />
17 Q. Why not?<br />
18 A. People can have <strong>in</strong>juries that cause<br />
19 swell<strong>in</strong>g which are not any different, and with <strong>the</strong>
20 exam f<strong>in</strong>d<strong>in</strong>gs and <strong>the</strong> treatment that I gave Mr.<br />
21 Fox.<br />
22 Q. Would medial distal femoral swell<strong>in</strong>g<br />
23 be any <strong>in</strong>dication <strong>of</strong> vascular <strong>in</strong>jury?<br />
24 A. It could be, but it also could be a<br />
25 bruise <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> muscle or a muscle pull, or a myriad<br />
40<br />
1 <strong>of</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r diagnoses that have <strong>the</strong> same f<strong>in</strong>d<strong>in</strong>gs.<br />
2 Q. Under what circumstances could it be<br />
3 an <strong>in</strong>dication <strong>of</strong> vascular <strong>in</strong>jury?<br />
4 A. If <strong>the</strong>re was bleed<strong>in</strong>g from <strong>the</strong><br />
5 arterial support structure at that po<strong>in</strong>t.<br />
6 Q. Includ<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>ternal bleed<strong>in</strong>g, I<br />
7 assume?<br />
8 A. Well, if <strong>the</strong>re was an aneurysm<br />
9 <strong>in</strong>ternally that swelled.<br />
10 Q. Was Mr. Fox diaphoretic when you saw<br />
11 him?<br />
12 A. I don't have any direct recall <strong>of</strong><br />
13 that and my note does not <strong>in</strong>dicate that, no.<br />
14 Q. What does it mean for a patient to be<br />
15 diaphoretic?<br />
16 A. Basically, sweat<strong>in</strong>g.<br />
17 Q. Would that have mattered to you, if<br />
18 he was?<br />
19 A. If it was comb<strong>in</strong>ed with a blood<br />
20 pressure drop or o<strong>the</strong>r signs that go along with<br />
21 diaphoresis, yes, but o<strong>the</strong>r than that, no.<br />
22 Q. Why would it concern you if it was
23 comb<strong>in</strong>ed with a blood pressure drop?<br />
24 A. Because that's a sign <strong>of</strong> extreme<br />
25 blood loss. As far as patients who have signs <strong>of</strong><br />
41<br />
1 shock, diaphoresis is one <strong>of</strong> those signs.<br />
2 Q. Do you know what pa<strong>in</strong>killers he<br />
3 received before he saw you?<br />
4 A. I don't have any direct recall, but<br />
5 it must be on <strong>the</strong> chart.<br />
6 Q. Go ahead, take a look at <strong>the</strong> chart.<br />
7 A. He got Demerol, Phenergan, but I<br />
8 don't have a time when it was given.<br />
9 Q. Do you know how long Demerol would<br />
10 work <strong>in</strong> Mr. Fox's system?<br />
11 MS. AUDIE: Form, predicate.<br />
12 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
13 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) How about<br />
14 Phenergan?<br />
15 A. No.<br />
16 MS. AUDIE: Same objection.<br />
17 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Why was he given<br />
18 Phenergan, do you know?<br />
19 MS. VACHAL: Objection.<br />
20 THE WITNESS: It potentiates <strong>the</strong><br />
21 effect.<br />
22 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) They're sort <strong>of</strong><br />
23 synergistic?<br />
24 A. Yes, so you don't have to give <strong>the</strong>m<br />
25 as much narcotic. A longer, bigger effect.<br />
42<br />
1 Q. If you had noted a decrease <strong>in</strong> his
2 neurovascular status while you were with Mr. Fox,<br />
3 what if anyth<strong>in</strong>g would you have done for him?<br />
4 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
5 MS. VACHAL: Jo<strong>in</strong>.<br />
6 THE WITNESS: I would have<br />
7 re-evaluated him aga<strong>in</strong> a time period after <strong>the</strong> end<br />
8 <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> first exam<strong>in</strong>ation and see if <strong>the</strong>re was any<br />
9 cont<strong>in</strong>uation with respect to change.<br />
10 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Would you have<br />
11 said he was okay for discharge?<br />
12 A. No.<br />
13 Q. Would you have done anyth<strong>in</strong>g else?<br />
14 MS. AUDIE: Same objection.<br />
15 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
16 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Would you have<br />
17 ordered an angiogram?<br />
18 A. At <strong>the</strong> po<strong>in</strong>t <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> first<br />
19 exam<strong>in</strong>ation?<br />
20 Q. Yes, sir.<br />
21 A. Probably not. I would have waited<br />
22 until ano<strong>the</strong>r exam<strong>in</strong>ation.<br />
23 Q. How long after <strong>the</strong> first?<br />
24 A. 15, 20 m<strong>in</strong>utes.<br />
25 Q. And if <strong>the</strong> neurovascular changes were<br />
43<br />
1 still <strong>the</strong>re at that time?<br />
2 A. Then I would have ordered an<br />
3 angiogram.<br />
4 Q. They had facilities at Deer<strong>in</strong>g
5 Hospital back at that time to do an angiogram?<br />
6 MS. VACHAL: Object to form.<br />
7 THE WITNESS: I believe so, but I<br />
8 cannot be absolutely sure. It's a function <strong>of</strong><br />
9 call<strong>in</strong>g <strong>the</strong> radiologist <strong>in</strong>.<br />
10 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) And an angiogram<br />
11 would be able to tell you whe<strong>the</strong>r or not <strong>the</strong>re was<br />
12 an <strong>in</strong>jury to <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery?<br />
13 A. Yes.<br />
14 Q. Is an angiogram sort <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> gold<br />
15 standard for assess<strong>in</strong>g vascular status?<br />
16 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
17 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Sir?<br />
18 A. I'm th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g. It's <strong>in</strong>vasive, and I<br />
19 believe it's probably <strong>the</strong> best test.<br />
20 There are people who say that <strong>the</strong>y<br />
21 can do non-<strong>in</strong>vasive test<strong>in</strong>g, <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>g Dopplers<br />
22 and o<strong>the</strong>r studies that will give <strong>the</strong>m <strong>the</strong> same<br />
23 result, but <strong>in</strong> my experience I th<strong>in</strong>k an angiogram<br />
24 would be a test that I would have ordered.<br />
25 Q. It was your desire that Michael Fox<br />
44<br />
1 be seen aga<strong>in</strong> 24 hours after he left <strong>the</strong> emergency<br />
2 room.<br />
3 A. Correct.<br />
4 Q. By who?<br />
5 A. By ei<strong>the</strong>r myself or somebody <strong>in</strong> my<br />
6 <strong>of</strong>fice.<br />
7 Q. Would you have wanted him to wait 48<br />
8 hours to be seen?
9 A. I wouldn't have written 24 if I<br />
10 wanted him to be seen <strong>in</strong> 48.<br />
11 Q. Why would you not have wanted him to<br />
12 be seen at 48 hours <strong>in</strong>stead <strong>of</strong> 24?<br />
13 A. It's basically that I wanted to see<br />
14 how he was do<strong>in</strong>g, s<strong>in</strong>ce I couldn't really exam<strong>in</strong>e<br />
15 him <strong>the</strong> first time as far as his history was<br />
16 concerned, so that I wanted to see him with<strong>in</strong> a<br />
17 day's period <strong>of</strong> time to see how he was do<strong>in</strong>g.<br />
18 Q. Are <strong>the</strong>re any conditions or -- any<br />
19 conditions that could have been aggravated if he<br />
20 waited 48 hours <strong>in</strong>stead <strong>of</strong> 24 to be seen?<br />
21 MS. AUDIE: Form.<br />
22 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Sir?<br />
23 A. I can't predict that, no.<br />
24 Q. Any risk to <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery<br />
25 based on <strong>the</strong> <strong>in</strong>jury he had susta<strong>in</strong>ed by him<br />
1 wait<strong>in</strong>g 48 hours <strong>in</strong>stead <strong>of</strong> 24?<br />
45<br />
2 A. If he had a slowly-evolv<strong>in</strong>g occlusion<br />
3 to his popliteal artery, <strong>the</strong>n <strong>the</strong> length <strong>of</strong> time<br />
4 would make a difference.<br />
5 Q. The extra 24 hours would make a<br />
6 difference?<br />
7 A. Assum<strong>in</strong>g that it was cont<strong>in</strong>ually<br />
8 form<strong>in</strong>g, yes.<br />
9 Q. Who ordered <strong>the</strong> spl<strong>in</strong>t for Michael<br />
10 Fox's knee?<br />
11 A. Well, I told whoever at <strong>the</strong> hospital
12 I told to put <strong>the</strong> spl<strong>in</strong>t on his knee.<br />
13 Q. So it was your order?<br />
14 A. Yes.<br />
15 Q. What were your <strong>in</strong>structions for Mr.<br />
16 Fox with respect to <strong>the</strong> wear<strong>in</strong>g <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> spl<strong>in</strong>t?<br />
17 Was it to be worn cont<strong>in</strong>uously, was it to be worn<br />
18 any time he was mov<strong>in</strong>g around? Can you tell me?<br />
19 Do you know?<br />
20 A. Well, my <strong>in</strong>structions, to a patient<br />
21 who understands me and can converse with me, are<br />
22 to wear it on a constant basis until he's<br />
23 re-exam<strong>in</strong>ed.<br />
24 Q. But Michael Fox couldn't understand<br />
25 you?<br />
46<br />
1 A. No, but I told <strong>the</strong> nurse, and <strong>the</strong><br />
2 hospital personnel know that's <strong>the</strong> <strong>in</strong>struction to<br />
3 give.<br />
4 Q. So you relied on <strong>the</strong> hospital staff<br />
5 to give those <strong>in</strong>structions?<br />
6 MS. VACHAL: Object to form.<br />
7 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Why was it<br />
8 important to you that Michael Fox wear <strong>the</strong> spl<strong>in</strong>t<br />
9 on a constant basis?<br />
10 A. To elim<strong>in</strong>ate motion with respect to<br />
11 his legs. It's -- basically, he had a small chip<br />
12 <strong>of</strong>f <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> anterior tibial portion <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> tibia at<br />
13 <strong>the</strong> proximal end.<br />
14 I didn't want any motion with respect<br />
15 to his knee, so <strong>the</strong> spl<strong>in</strong>t kept <strong>the</strong> knee <strong>in</strong> a
16 constant state <strong>of</strong> one position.<br />
17 Q. Would motion to <strong>the</strong> knee with that<br />
18 sort <strong>of</strong> fracture create any risk for <strong>the</strong> popliteal<br />
19 artery?<br />
20 A. No.<br />
21 Q. Why not?<br />
22 A. Aga<strong>in</strong>, that was a small chip, based<br />
23 on his X-rays, anyway, that I remember, to <strong>the</strong><br />
24 anterior surface <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> tibia, which was not<br />
25 anywhere near where <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery is.<br />
47<br />
1 Q. Would motion to <strong>the</strong> knee, if <strong>the</strong>re<br />
2 was a small occlusion <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery,<br />
3 aggravate <strong>the</strong> situation?<br />
4 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
5 MR. SPIEGELMAN: You can answer.<br />
6 THE WITNESS: It might.<br />
7 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Under what<br />
8 circumstances?<br />
9 A. If and when it caused changes <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
10 tension with respect to <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery.<br />
11 Q. Well, under what conditions would it<br />
12 change <strong>the</strong> tension on <strong>the</strong> popliteal artery?<br />
13 A. Just by mov<strong>in</strong>g <strong>the</strong> knee causes<br />
14 changes with respect to <strong>the</strong> structures and <strong>the</strong><br />
15 posterior popliteal fossa. It causes movement,<br />
16 so ---<br />
17 Q. So movement, by def<strong>in</strong>ition, would put<br />
18 tension on that artery?
19 A. It could.<br />
20 Q. Have you had any contact with Michael<br />
21 Fox s<strong>in</strong>ce he left <strong>the</strong> emergency -- well, actually,<br />
22 s<strong>in</strong>ce you met him <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> emergency room on<br />
23 February 5th, 1999?<br />
24 A. No.<br />
25 Q. When did you become aware <strong>of</strong> what<br />
48<br />
1 happened to Michael Fox?<br />
2 A. When I was served with a ---<br />
3 Q. Notice <strong>of</strong> <strong>in</strong>tent?<br />
4 A. Whatever that was, yes.<br />
5 Q. Do you keep an <strong>of</strong>fice schedule?<br />
6 A. You mean a calendar, like?<br />
7 Q. No, I mean does somebody keep a<br />
8 record <strong>of</strong> where you are? In o<strong>the</strong>r words -- I<br />
9 assume you have <strong>of</strong>fice hours.<br />
10 A. Correct.<br />
11 Q. But I'm guess<strong>in</strong>g you're also on call<br />
12 at certa<strong>in</strong> times for <strong>the</strong> emergency room at<br />
13 different hospitals, correct?<br />
14 A. That's correct.<br />
15 Q. Do you know how it was that you were<br />
16 called to see Michael Fox on February 5th, 1999?<br />
17 A. Well ---<br />
18 MS. VACHAL: Form.<br />
19 THE WITNESS: I th<strong>in</strong>k we were on call<br />
20 to <strong>the</strong> emergency room, and <strong>the</strong> procedure usually<br />
21 is that <strong>the</strong> hospital staff <strong>the</strong>n calls <strong>the</strong> person<br />
22 on call if <strong>the</strong>re's an <strong>in</strong>jury, after which <strong>the</strong> call
23 goes to <strong>the</strong> <strong>of</strong>fice, and whoever is available from<br />
24 <strong>the</strong> <strong>of</strong>fice gets notified that <strong>the</strong>re's a patient <strong>in</strong><br />
25 <strong>the</strong> emergency room.<br />
49<br />
1 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Does somebody<br />
2 from <strong>the</strong> <strong>of</strong>fice keep record whe<strong>the</strong>r it was you or<br />
3 Dr. Evans that would go over to <strong>the</strong> emergency room<br />
4 to see a patient?<br />
5 A. No.<br />
6 Q. So <strong>the</strong>re's no records kept <strong>of</strong> where<br />
7 you are at any particular time on your work days?<br />
8 A. O<strong>the</strong>r than that I was <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> -- that<br />
9 I would be <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> <strong>of</strong>fice or <strong>the</strong> hospital<br />
10 operat<strong>in</strong>g, that k<strong>in</strong>d <strong>of</strong> schedule is kept, but not<br />
11 hour by hour, unless it's someth<strong>in</strong>g specific.<br />
12 It doesn't say that Dr. Lang went to<br />
13 emergency room at Deer<strong>in</strong>g at two o'clock, or<br />
14 whatever time it would be.<br />
15 Q. Would you have wanted Michael Fox to<br />
16 use ice on his knee after leav<strong>in</strong>g <strong>the</strong> emergency<br />
17 room?<br />
18 A. I don't usually tell people to put<br />
19 ice on <strong>in</strong>juries per se, because people tend to<br />
20 leave <strong>the</strong> ice on, and sometimes <strong>the</strong>y get ice<br />
21 burns, which causes sk<strong>in</strong> problems, so no, I don't.<br />
22 That's not my rout<strong>in</strong>e.<br />
23 Q. Was he allowed to weight bear?<br />
24 A. With his brace <strong>in</strong> place, I would<br />
25 assume yes.<br />
50
1 Q. Did <strong>the</strong> fact that he was black create<br />
2 any difficulties for you with respect to assess<strong>in</strong>g<br />
3 him neurovascularly?<br />
4 A. O<strong>the</strong>r than sk<strong>in</strong> color as far as<br />
5 change <strong>in</strong> color, no.<br />
6 Q. How would sk<strong>in</strong> color be affected, or<br />
7 how would sk<strong>in</strong> color be <strong>in</strong>volved?<br />
8 A. Only because sometimes if you see a<br />
9 whiten<strong>in</strong>g <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> sk<strong>in</strong> on a Caucasian person, it<br />
10 might be easier to tell. O<strong>the</strong>r than that, no.<br />
11 Q. Do you know who made <strong>the</strong> ultimate<br />
12 decision to discharge Michael Fox from <strong>the</strong><br />
13 emergency room on February 5th, 1999?<br />
14 MS. VACHAL: Form.<br />
15 MS. ZIMMERMAN: Form.<br />
16 THE WITNESS: No.<br />
17 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Did you make <strong>the</strong><br />
18 decision to discharge him?<br />
19 A. No.<br />
20 Q. You left that decision to someone<br />
21 else?<br />
22 MS. ZIMMERMAN: Form.<br />
23 MS. VACHAL: Jo<strong>in</strong>.<br />
24 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Go ahead.<br />
25 THE WITNESS: Well, at <strong>the</strong> time I<br />
51<br />
1 exam<strong>in</strong>ed him, <strong>the</strong> procedure would have been, s<strong>in</strong>ce<br />
2 I was called <strong>in</strong> to see <strong>the</strong> patient, to ask me what<br />
3 <strong>the</strong> treatment course should be.<br />
4 From my note, <strong>the</strong> treatment course
5 was that he could go and be placed <strong>in</strong> a Velcro<br />
6 spl<strong>in</strong>t and be followed up <strong>in</strong> 24 hours, so at that<br />
7 moment <strong>in</strong> time I would usually transmit that to<br />
8 <strong>the</strong> emergency room personnel, and say from my<br />
9 exam<strong>in</strong>ation he can be discharged when he's stable.<br />
10 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Would you have<br />
11 expected that <strong>the</strong> emergency room personnel would<br />
12 notify you <strong>of</strong> any changes that Mr. Fox underwent<br />
13 between when you saw him and when he was<br />
14 discharged?<br />
15 MS. VACHAL: Form.<br />
16 MS. ZIMMERMAN: Form.<br />
17 THE WITNESS: Yes.<br />
18 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Why?<br />
19 A. Well, because I only saw him at one<br />
20 moment <strong>in</strong> time, and if <strong>the</strong>re was a change and <strong>the</strong>y<br />
21 thought that it was specific, I would have<br />
22 expected <strong>the</strong>y would call me.<br />
23 Q. Specifically, what changes if any<br />
24 would have been relevant to you with respect to<br />
25 whe<strong>the</strong>r or not it was okay to discharge Mr. Fox?<br />
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1 MS. AUDIE: Object to <strong>the</strong> form.<br />
2 Overbroad.<br />
3 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Go ahead.<br />
4 THE WITNESS: Any change <strong>in</strong> his<br />
5 neurovascular status. Any change <strong>the</strong>y thought<br />
6 <strong>the</strong>y might want to contact me for.<br />
7 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Specifically,
8 though, what o<strong>the</strong>r than any change <strong>in</strong> his<br />
9 neurovascular status?<br />
10 A. Specifically, o<strong>the</strong>r than that,<br />
11 anyth<strong>in</strong>g unusual that <strong>the</strong>y might say that <strong>the</strong>y<br />
12 didn't like, that someth<strong>in</strong>g had changed from <strong>the</strong><br />
13 time that <strong>the</strong>y had seen him.<br />
14 Q. What changes <strong>in</strong> neurovascular status<br />
15 would have concerned you?<br />
16 A. Decreased pulse, decreased sensation,<br />
17 if he was more awake and <strong>the</strong>n ---<br />
18 Q. What if he felt like his foot was<br />
19 gett<strong>in</strong>g cold?<br />
20 A. Not <strong>in</strong> and <strong>of</strong> itself, unless it was<br />
21 comb<strong>in</strong>ed, ei<strong>the</strong>r a change <strong>in</strong> his vascular status<br />
22 or his cl<strong>in</strong>ical exam<strong>in</strong>ation to sensation.<br />
23 Q. Did his vascular status need to be<br />
24 assessed aga<strong>in</strong> after you did it, but before he was<br />
25 discharged?<br />
1 A. No.<br />
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2 Q. Why not?<br />
3 A. Assum<strong>in</strong>g that everyth<strong>in</strong>g else was <strong>the</strong><br />
4 same, unless I th<strong>in</strong>k that <strong>the</strong>re was some change<br />
5 that needed to be exam<strong>in</strong>ed aga<strong>in</strong>, I didn't th<strong>in</strong>k<br />
6 that was necessary.<br />
7 Q. If he said his foot was gett<strong>in</strong>g cold,<br />
8 would that have warranted ano<strong>the</strong>r vascular<br />
9 assessment?<br />
10 A. It might.<br />
11 Q. Under what circumstances?
12 A. Just those circumstances.<br />
13 Q. So if he said -- after you f<strong>in</strong>ished<br />
14 with him, if he told somebody "My foot's gett<strong>in</strong>g<br />
15 cold," <strong>the</strong>n somebody needs to assess his vascular<br />
16 status before discharg<strong>in</strong>g him?<br />
17 MS. ZIMMERMAN: Form.<br />
18 MS. VACHAL: Form.<br />
19 THE WITNESS: I would th<strong>in</strong>k that<br />
20 would be reasonable, yes.<br />
21 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) Is <strong>the</strong> popliteal<br />
22 artery a major blood vessel <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> lower<br />
23 extremity?<br />
24 A. Yes.<br />
25 MR. SPIEGELMAN: We're go<strong>in</strong>g to<br />
1 attach <strong>the</strong> entire chart as Composite 1.<br />
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2 (Thereupon, <strong>the</strong> document referred to,<br />
3 chart, was marked as Pla<strong>in</strong>tiff's Composite<br />
4 Exhibit 1, for Identification.)<br />
5 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Doctor, your chart,<br />
6 <strong>the</strong> note that you wrote, which is part <strong>of</strong><br />
7 Pla<strong>in</strong>tiff's Composite Exhibit Number 1 that you<br />
8 read <strong>in</strong> earlier, it's a carbon form that gets<br />
9 filled out.<br />
10 THE WITNESS: Correct.<br />
11 Q. (BY MR. SPIEGELMAN) You write on <strong>the</strong><br />
12 top sheet, <strong>the</strong>re are sheets underneath that pick<br />
13 up what you write?<br />
14 A. That's correct.
15 Q. And <strong>the</strong> bottom <strong>of</strong> it <strong>in</strong>dicates that<br />
16 <strong>the</strong> white copy is for medical records, yellow is<br />
17 <strong>the</strong> ER copy and <strong>the</strong> p<strong>in</strong>k is <strong>the</strong> physician's copy.<br />
18 You don't have a p<strong>in</strong>k one <strong>in</strong> your chart. You do<br />
19 have a yellow one <strong>in</strong> your chart, is that correct?<br />
20 A. Correct.<br />
21 Q. Do you know why it is that <strong>the</strong><br />
22 yellow, which is purportedly <strong>the</strong> ER copy, is still<br />
23 <strong>in</strong> your <strong>of</strong>fice chart?<br />
24 A. Because I take that, because it's<br />
25 clearer.<br />
1 Q. And what do you leave for <strong>the</strong><br />
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2 emergency room?<br />
3 A. The white and <strong>the</strong> -- whatever <strong>the</strong><br />
4 o<strong>the</strong>r color was, so <strong>the</strong>y have an orig<strong>in</strong>al, so my<br />
5 <strong>of</strong>fice only gets one piece <strong>of</strong> paper. I take <strong>the</strong><br />
6 one that I can read <strong>the</strong> best and I leave <strong>the</strong>m <strong>the</strong><br />
7 orig<strong>in</strong>al.<br />
8 MR. SPIEGELMAN: Okay. Fair enough.<br />
9 That's all. Thanks. Stacey?<br />
10 MS. MARGULIES: I have a few<br />
11 questions, but <strong>of</strong>f <strong>the</strong> record.<br />
12 MR. SPIEGELMAN: I want a transcript.<br />
13 MS. AUDIE: I want a copy.<br />
14 MS. VACHAL: I want a copy.<br />
15 MS. MARGULIES: I'd like a m<strong>in</strong>i and<br />
16 ASCII only.<br />
17 MS. ZIMMERMAN: I want a m<strong>in</strong>i and<br />
18 ASCII only.
19 (Whereupon, read<strong>in</strong>g, sign<strong>in</strong>g and Notice <strong>of</strong><br />
20 Fil<strong>in</strong>g were not waived, and <strong>the</strong> deposition<br />
21 was concluded at 5:04 p.m.)<br />
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2 ______________________________<br />
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10 NOTARY PUBLIC, STATE OF FLORIDA AT LARGE.<br />
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13 STATE OF FLORIDA)<br />
14 COUNTY OF MIAMI-DADE)<br />
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16 I, <strong>the</strong> undersigned authority, certify<br />
17 that ELLIOT LANG, M.D. personally appeared before<br />
18 me and was duly sworn.<br />
19 WITNESS my hand and <strong>of</strong>ficial seal<br />
20 this 19th day <strong>of</strong> March, 2002.<br />
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PHILIP D. ROSE<br />
24 COURT REPORTER<br />
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3 I, PHILIP D. ROSE, Court Reporter, certify<br />
4 that I was authorized to and did report <strong>the</strong><br />
5 forego<strong>in</strong>g deposition, and that <strong>the</strong> transcript is a<br />
6 true record <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> testimony given by <strong>the</strong> witness.<br />
7 I fur<strong>the</strong>r certify that I am not a relative,<br />
8 employee, attorney or counsel <strong>of</strong> any <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
9 parties, nor am I a relative or employee <strong>of</strong> any <strong>of</strong><br />
10 <strong>the</strong> parties' attorney or counsel connected with<br />
11 <strong>the</strong> action, nor am I f<strong>in</strong>ancially <strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />
12 action.<br />
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420 South Dixie Highway, Suite 301<br />
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March 19th, 2002<br />
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TO: Elliot Lang, M.D.<br />
5 9299 Southwest 152nd Street<br />
Miami, FL 33157<br />
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IN RE: Fox vs. Deer<strong>in</strong>g et al.<br />
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Case No. 00-9130 (CA-04)<br />
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Dear Dr. Lang:<br />
9 With reference to <strong>the</strong> exam<strong>in</strong>ation <strong>of</strong> yourself,<br />
deponent <strong>in</strong> <strong>the</strong> above-styled cause, taken on March<br />
10 6th, 2002, under oath, please be advised that <strong>the</strong><br />
deposition has been transcribed and is await<strong>in</strong>g<br />
11 your signature.<br />
12 Please arrange to conclude this matter at your<br />
earliest convenience. We would suggest that you<br />
13 telephone this <strong>of</strong>fice and arrange an appo<strong>in</strong>tment<br />
suitable for all concerned.<br />
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However, if this has not been taken care <strong>of</strong> by<br />
15 April 19th, 2002, we shall conclude that <strong>the</strong><br />
read<strong>in</strong>g and sign<strong>in</strong>g <strong>of</strong> said Deposition has been<br />
16 waived, and shall <strong>the</strong>n proceed to file <strong>the</strong><br />
orig<strong>in</strong>al <strong>of</strong> said transcript with <strong>the</strong> Party who<br />
17 took <strong>the</strong> Deposition, without fur<strong>the</strong>r notice to any<br />
parties.<br />
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19 Very truly yours,<br />
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21 PHILIP D. ROSE<br />
Court Reporter<br />
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