Editors - Ray & Susie Butters - USS Haddo.com

USS HADDO
NEWSLETTER
Volume 2 Issue 37 August 2008
Editors - Ray & Susie Butters E-Mail - Ray DBF@aol.com
Ten Year Review
from the Editor
which were on my very first roster (after the first
mailing corrections).
In the past ten years, about 45 shipmates have ‘taken in
all lines’ and are on Eternal Patrol; some of those
shipmates I have shared a drink or two with, learned
invaluable lessons from, or just admired and respected.
They may have departed this world, but they left us a
treasure trove of memories. Two of our shipmate’s
wives have also departed on their Eternal Patrol. Our
hearts go out to all of those left behind. Death is always
hardest on the survivors.
When we first started out, everybody received paper
copies of the newsletter. Then, about three years ago,
Hal and Liz Clark volunteered to send out e-mail
copies. Now, out of the 267 on my roster I only send
out 155 paper copies. Almost like in the beginning.
Thanks Hal and Liz. You two have cut my expenses in
half and reduced my workload considerably. Thanks,
Thanks, Thanks!!!
The first seven issues were headed with only the 604
logo. After the 2000 reunion, we found out that some
of the original Haddo sailors thought that the reunion
was only for the 604 crew. So, with due consideration
and respect, we included the 255 logo in our heading
and extended our Haddo family. If the Haddo name has
a history like the USS Enterprise, the next Haddo
I know it’s not the New Year’s celebration that the should be a space ship. Well,,, It could happen.
planet experiences, as the graphic might suggest, but My first newsletter went out in November of 1998.
it’s a new decade celebration for me. It was about this Prior to the newsletter you are reading, I had sent out 19
time, ten years ago, that I told Mike Gann that I would regular issues and three reunion supplements. I had to
assume the ‘Newsletter Watch’ (I didn’t do this look back through my copies of the newsletters to figure
magnanimously, you understand; Dick Noble pressured out why I had only sent out 19 newsletters if I had sent
me into it). So, I thought for this issue, it would be fun out two a year for ten years. Well, I must have fallen
to recap some of those ten years.
asleep on watch in 2003 because I only sent out one
Mike passed on a roster comprising 170 names, 19 of issue that year. It was in June, so I guess I figured that
which were returned as undeliverable from the mailing since it was mid-year, that one would cover the year.
of my first issue. Today, we have 267 names, 134 of
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During those ten years, we have had three reunions. At
each one of those reunions someone has presented me
with a plaque for my work on the newsletter. Thanks,
but THAT’S ENOUGH!! My ‘Love Me’ wall is at risk
of exceeding the sheer strength of our Structural
Insulated Panels. You guys enjoy the newsletter, not
because of me, but because you get to read stories,
experiences, or memories of some of your shipmates
and it puts a smile on your face. If you really appreciate
the newsletter, send me some stories and help put a
smile on some of your shipmates.
1. I have gotten a letter or e-mail from 138 different
shipmates. Fifteen of those sent articles for the body
of the newsletter; the rest were in the Mail Sack.
2. The most number of times that any one person
contributed was 12 times; thanks Ken Brenner. Hal
Clark contributed eight times, then Ron Graff and
Geoff Warnock contributed six times each. Four
others contributed five times, several guys
contributed three, and four times, and lots
contributed a couple times.
3. The largest number of letters and e-mails that I have
received between newsletter issues was 34. The
least amount was 6; that was between the last two
issues.
4. The most combined text contributions from one
shipmate added up to a whopping three and a half
pages. The most combined Mail Sack contributions
from one shipmate added up to about two and a
quarter pages. The largest single Mail Sack item was
about a page and a quarter. There were several that
were a quarter to a half a page, but most averaged
about five or six lines each.
5. The shortest story for the body of the newsletter I felt
was also the funniest. This came from Tony
DeNicola and I am reprinting it here:
The Speedy Yard Bird Another funny incident was
when we were testing the flood valve on Negative Tank.
Billy Foster and I went into the dry dock to make sure
everything was clear so the flood valve could be opened
to dump the tank which was full of water. We were to
give the OK signal (whacking the hull with a large ball
peen hammer) which would give us a few seconds to
clear the area before the flood valve would be opened.
When we got down there, we noticed a yard bird
sleeping in a MBT, so we decided to have a little fun.
We gave the signal and that woke the yard bird. Then,
as Billy and I ran for the stairway, just as we passed
under the flood port of the MBT the guy was now sitting
in, we hollered “THE CAISSONS GIVEN AWAY”.
Well, about that time, the Negative Tank flood valve
opens and here comes this roar of rushing water. I
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guess we were within a few feet of the staircase going
up the side of the dry dock when this yard bird flew by
us like we were standing still. Don’t know if he ever did
stop.
For me, it has certainly been a fun and rewarding ten
years. I would like to see it last another ten. The fact is
I don’t have the wherewithal to generate a publication
like a subscription magazine that you expect to be
entertained by. You have never had me do that either,
but stories from you guys seem to be dwindling. The
only way the newsletter can live on is for you guys to
send me input. Some of you have already done more
than you share. Some of you have not. How about
helping out this totally aging, mostly forgetful, and
partially deaf Sonarman? (I know you can’t see me, but
I’m down on my best knee – ask Susie, she’ll back me
up on this.) Try out my new E-Mail with one of those
stories that start out with “Now, this ain’t no shit!!”
NEXT HADDO REUNION
Kurt Greiner and Robert Aboud are narrowing down
the details of our 2009 Haddo Reunion. The reunion
will be in San Diego, in conjunction with the National
USSVI Convention, in early to mid September. This
convention, as I understand it, will be a first of its kind.
It is going to be an International Submarine
Convention; Submariners from other nations will be
attending. The complete details for the National
Convention have not been published yet, but the
convention will be held at the Town and Country Inn in
Fashion Valley. The complete Town and Country
facilities will be just for convention/reunion attendees,
with room rates just over $100. If you’re familiar with
San Diego, you know that is dirt cheap (this will be the
first time room rates in San Diego fit into this retiree’s
budget).
Haddo should be able to have its own hospitality suite
and its own banquet. So, if all you want to do is visit
with Haddo shipmates, you can. There will also be a lot
of National sponsored activities and, as you probably
know, San Diego is loaded with things to do. This
should be an exciting event.
The San Diego Base, USSVI, will be hosting part of the
convention, so Kurt will be attending their next
planning meeting to get the ball moving down the field.
If you have ideas, suggestions, or an urge to help,
contact our super reunion coordinators:
If you thought any of our other reunions
were fun, just wait until our 2009 reunion.

Kurt Greiner
Email: kurt.greiner@sdsheriff.org
Work Phone: (619) 661-2801
Home Phone: (619) 749-2084
Cell Phone: (619) 851-5113
Robert Aboud
Email: raboud@yahoo.com
Address: 3999 Caminito Davila
San Diego, CA 92122
Home Phone: (858) 526-0751
Cell Phone: (858) 752-4698
Charleston Bus Tour - 2000
THANKS
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QM Gang at Banquet - 2003
Hospitality Suite - 2006
After ten years, I think it’s about time I thank those of you who have contributed to the newsletter. Thank You
Very Much! Now, if you’re a person who looks at details, I know there are more names listed below than the
138 that I stated above. Some of the names below didn’t necessarily contribute something interesting for all to
read, but their contribution was none the less important. It may have been by giving me a change of address
(saving me the cost of an extra stamp) or simply telling me how much they enjoyed the newsletter (stroking my
delicate ego). So,
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU!!!!
Robert Aboud
Jim Adams
Bill Allen
Wiley Allen
John Almon
Dan Anderson
Charles
Andrews
William
Austin
Janice
Bailey
Scott Bailey
John Balogh
Stephen
Banks
Mark
Bedilion
Jack Bentley
Thomas
Bichsel
Adam Black
Ken Brenner
Darrell
Brown
Ron Brown
Bill Byrum
Paul
Callahan
William
Candy
Powel Carter
Daniel
Cartwright
Robert
Chewning
Harold Clark
A. Clary
William Cook
Ray Coons
Daniel
Cooper
Gerald
Corcoran
Doug Covert
Donald
Cronin
Rick Current

Ronald
Darnell
Kirk Davis
Brian Dawson
Tony
DeNicola
Rick DiSalvo
Al Dow
Leroy
Dreider
George
Dreyer
Ken Dundon
Ron Eaton
Terry Elkins
James A.
England
John Farro
Bob Fehre
Larry Fraley
Timothy
France
Charles T.
Free
Jamie
Fritler
Jeff
Funkhouser
William
Galvin
Michael Gann
Jack
Garrison
Mike Gary
Eugene
Gilbert
Richard Gill
Robert Gould
Aaron P.
Graff
Walt Grant
Skip Greiner
Martha Hale
William
Heffelmire
Clifford
Herbst
Dick Hillman
Dave Hinkle
George
Hofert
Fred Holmes
David
Hottenstein
David Howk
Jim Jamison
Gerald
Joachim
Wayne
Johnston
Jim Johnston
Jerry Jolly
Will Jordan
Thad
Kedzierski
Larry C.
Kelley
Arthur
Kneuer
Ron Larsen
Gregg Larson
Brian C.
Levgard
Dale Liggett
Mike Lintner
Andy Little
Chris Longe
Bruce
Loughridge
Jerry
Lundquist
Daniel J.
Lynch
William Mack
Sr
Juice Madai
Mike Madina
Joseph
Martin Jr.
Michael
McGahan
Patrick
McGovern
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John
McMicheal
Larry Miers
Don Miller
Norman Mims
Dave
Montgomery
Lyle Moore
Ed Mox
Ed Neasham
Jim Niemann
Dick Noble
Robert
Noonan
Dean
Nyffeler
Patrick
O’Brien
Bill
O'Connor
Joseph F.
O’Hara
Dennis G.
Osborn
Randy
Ouellette
Dennis Panek
Jim Parker
J. Steven
Perry
Kenneth
Pitman
MORE THANKS
Charles
Pittman
Ed Polz
Bill Reed
George
Rodgers
Nolan Romero
Tom Rush
Joseph
Rustin
Levi Salazar
Stephen Sass
Dick Scales
Mark
Schwinger
Chris
Seebald
Gary Semler
Paul
Shockley
Louis
Slaughter
Nan Sluski
O.L. Smith
Denny Snider
Jon Spencer
Ray Sphar
Phil Steege
Louis O.
Storm
Walt
Sullivan
Rod Taft
Buck Taylor
Jack Taylor
John Tittman
Ladd Tomlin
Tom Upshaw
Kipp Van
Aken
James Van
Wyk
Al Vibranz
John Viney
Dave Waddell
Fernley
Wagner
Fred Waldman
Mike Wampler
George H.
Warner
Tom Warner
Geoff
Warnock
Wilson W.
Weaver
Ron Wells
Mrs.
Williams
Paul
Wiltberger
As always, I want to thank those that have contributed to the finances of printing and mailing the newsletter twice a
year (except for 2003, of course). I have listed those who have made donations in each issue, so I won’t list them
all again; I’ll just say THANKS – I couldn’t have done it without your help.
Another group of you that I would like to thank is the E-Mail recipients of the newsletter. You can’t believe how
much you have cut down on my expenses and the printing, stuffing, and mailing efforts. And, believe me when I
say that Susie thanks you too!
FROM THE CREW
Dick Noble has dug deep into the recesses of his
memory and came up with some interesting Haddo
achievements. Let’s keep this column going. Send me
your accounts of Haddo achievements. Not the kind
that get PUC and NUC awards. And not the kind that
are recognized by the Horse and Cow either.
Little Known Haddo Achievements:
by: Dick Noble
A Navy First – The USS Haddo was the first 594 Class
Submarine to conduct a Mediterranean Sea operation.
The USS HADDO departed Charleston, SC in May
1965 with a list of ports-of-call that would make any
sailor drool. Unfortunately, when most of them found
out what the ‘N’ (as in SSN) stood for, we were turned
away; in some cases just as #1 line was about to go
over. Only five ports let us in; Gulf Juan and Toulon,
France; Toronto, La Specia, and Naples, Italy. We
made an emergency repair stop in Rota, Spain, on our
way home, but couldn’t go ashore without civvies.
Rota was anxious to see us leave.
This Med trip was only supposed to be a four-month
jaunt, but because we were embarrassing the American

Naval Forces that we operated with, they wanted us to
stay until the sound conditions change so that they
could show us how it is done. Well, after another
almost two months of embarrassment, they sent us
home. We returned to Charleston in October.
Anchor Pool – Six weeks before Haddo’s return to
Charleston from the Med, I got an anchor pool going. It
was twenty bucks a pop, which was pretty steep for
1966, but the winner got $1,000 and each side of the
winning time got $100. Normally, on all anchor pools,
10% went into rec fund, but I asked the XO if we could
do this one, giving all the money to the winners. He
said he would approve that because at $20 a chance he
knew it wouldn’t sell. As it turned out, all chances sold
within an hour. That was the good news. The bad news
was that since it sold out so fast I didn’t get an
opportunity to offer a chance to Capt’n Jack and I got a
good chewing out for that. Anyway, Billy Foster and
Carl Haines each chipped in $10 for a ticket and they
won. Billy was a newly wed at the time and spent his
$500 on furniture. The achievement here, of course,
was that this was one of those rare occasions that Haddo
pulled into its home port. Does anyone remember who
won the two side chances?
Another First – The USS HADDO was the first
nuclear fast attack submarine to remove and replace the
ships screw (propeller) while the ship was berthed along
side the pier. The Haddo’s screw was damaged while
departing from the pier in Bermuda with tug assistance.
I know that is somewhat of an ambiguous sentence.
Was the screw damaged with tug assistance, or was
Haddo leaving port with tug assistance? The answer is,
yes. Obviously, this necessitated pulling into port and
swapping out the screw. Time was of the essence, as it
was with all of our operations then, so we had to have
the screw removed along side the pier and another
screw put on.
Honorary Dedication – The US Navy dedicated and
named a building after the first Commanding Officer,
John G Williams. The Williams Building is the
Submarine Extended Operation Cycle/Selected
Restricted Availability Training Building located on the
pier of the Submarine Base. The facility provides a
major capability to the San Diego-based submarines
which otherwise have to move to a shipyard for certain
repairs. Admiral John G Williams retired from the
Navy in 1983 and died in 1991.
Periscope and Mission Salvaged – Three Haddo
sailors, LV Moore, Joe Rustin and John Titman, made
at-sea repairs on a multi-million dollar periscope,
allowing Haddo to complete her operation. The
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periscope was a special unit that, because there were so
few available with its internal capabilities, was passed
from submarine to submarine. Shortly after departing
port the periscope lens fogged. The loss of the scope
would have severely hampered the impending
operation. Shipmates LV Moore and Joe Rustin, both
Southern boys developed a still, to evacuate the
moisture. They then purged the scope with nitrogen,
removing the moisture from the internal side of the lens.
They had to perform this operation twice as the scope
seals leaked sea water again. The second try to purge
was accomplished only after John Tittman went up on
top of the sail and smeared Devcon on the lens seals. If
memory serves me correctly John was given a very
short time to make the repair and he was very nervous
that we might leave him topside. A vacuum was again
drawn and the periscope was again purged with
nitrogen. The second attempt to correct the fogging
was successful and we completed the operation. Upon
arrival in Charleston the tender crew came aboard to
remove the periscope and was very upset to find that the
seals were coated with Devcon. CDR Chewning
suggested to the Warrant Officer in charge that they
could go up to Squadron and discuss the issue with the
Squadron Commander. Problem solved.
Thermal Barrier – Did you know we crashed through
the ‘thermo barrier’ on the very first Haddo dive? On
our first dive, we developed a steep down angle. The
Sonar Supervisor, Joe Conrad, in an attempt to
rationalize what was happening looked at the
Bathythermograph and stated “I have resolved the
problem; we are trying to crash through the thermo
barrier!” About 5 seconds later LTJG Paul Callahan
opened the back door to Sonar Control and stated
“Don’t be nervous, Main Ballast tanks 5, 6 and 7 vents
are hung up shut”. This was a great embarrassment for
Joe and even though we were rigged for Red, Chief
Conrad was glowing his own shade of red.
A Lasting Improvisation – The sonar equipment had a
reoccurring problem with its scanning switch. This is
part of the sonar that trains the sonar listening beam
throughout the 360 degree azimuth. The gears that
operated the switch were made of nylon and due to the
constant rotation they would eventually strip, placing
the equipment out of commission. This particular
scanning switch provided input to the azimuth display
in Sonar and in the Conn. We had exhausted all spares
on board and the gears were back ordered. A solution
by LV Moore was to take each stripped gear and put an
“O” ring groove in the teeth area and supplement the
rotation with an O-ring (we had plenty of O-rings).
After Lyle’s fix, we operated the equipment for nearly

three months without a failure. Raytheon considered
this modification for a later Field Change.
ROSTER UPDATE
Roster Changes: We only lost contact with one
shipmate this time and gained a couple new contacts.
As usual, losses are in blue, and changes and additions
are in red.
Normally, I don’t make much of a fuss about an E-Mail
address change. But in this case I want to point out my
E-Mail address change here and in the roster. I will
keep my AOL address for a couple months, but my new
address is: RayDBF@Blackhawkranch.org. One of the
beauties of this E-Mail is that I can go to the library and
get on-line, click on send/receive, and all my pre typed
out-going e-mails are sent and my in-coming E-Mails
are downloaded to my computer. I can then close up
my laptop, go home (back to work), and look at my new
messages at my convenience. Hopefully, this improves
the quality of my E-Mail communications.
Taps: I have gotten a report from Mike O’Brien that
Harry Haeussler, a 255 shipmate, passed away.
I also received a note from Stella Pittman saying that
Charles Pittman had been very sick and that she was
taking him off the life support. I wrote to Stella, but got
no confirmation of Charles’ condition. Susie and I had
been away, so I didn’t get her letter until two weeks
after she sent it. After about a week of trying to figure
out what to say to Stella, I finally got a card off to her.
As delicate as I could, I asked what Charles’ condition
was. I never got a reply. I am assuming Charles did not
make it.
I also have information that suggests the Anthony
Ingarra may have passed away. Ralph Stroede told
Dick Noble that he found out that Chief Ingarra’s Plank
Owner’s Certificate was for sale on E-Bay. Dick called
the seller for details, but all the seller knew was that it
was part of an estate sale.
If anybody can confirm any of these, please let me
know.
MISCELLANEOUS
Susie and I attended a Submarine Birthday Celebration
in Denver on Friday the 16 th of May, followed by a
Memorial service on Saturday. These events were held
between the Submarine Birth date (April 11) and
Memorial Day in an effort to combine the activities.
Surprisingly, there are quite a few submariners in
Colorado, but not like in a submarine port.
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Friday night, the Colorado Mile-High Base of the
USSVI set up a banquet at the Holiday Inn in
Lakewood. This didn’t have all the flair to it that the
Submarine Birthday Balls have, but I can’t remember
enjoying the Submarine Birthday more than that night.
As fortune would have it, at our table I sat next to an
elderly WW II Submarine Veteran. I guess the word
elderly and the phrase WW II Submarine Veteran are
redundant, but I used them together so that it would
give you the proper perspective when I say this man
was so full of life that he would put most of us to
shame.
We talked all through dinner and after the guest speaker
wrapped up his presentation. His wife finally dragged
him away from me and took him home. I was
enthralled with his stories and his engaging personality.
These guys have experienced things during the war that
we can only imagine. If you know a WW II Submarine
Veteran, take some time to talk with them. They’ll tell
you some stories. Stories about courage, tenacity,
human endurance, intestinal fortitude; stories about
heroes.
The Mile-High base also built a memorial in memory of
the USS Grayling (SS 209).
The USS Grayling Model

The USS Grayling Memorial
There were some presentations, a wreath was placed on
the memorial, the Tolling of the Bell, a fly-over by a
local Vintage Aircraft flying club, the posting of colors,
and of course, a guest speaker. What an emotional
morning. I have gone from a ‘Steely Eyed Killer of the
Deep’ to just a glassy eyed wuss.
The Memorial services were followed by a luncheon at
the local chapter of the VFW. You would have thought
it was Thanksgiving by the amount of food I ate. I’m
not going to say that I ate a lot, but my gas mileage
dropped 3 mpg on the way home.
On the way home, we stopped at Costco and they had a
book by Alex Kershaw titled “Escape From The Deep”.
It’s about the war patrols of the USS Tang skippered by
Dick O’Kane. After my story filled Friday and my
emotional Saturday, I was primed for this book. I was
primed, but I wasn’t prepared. This book will grip you
hard and make you realize we have been pampered all
our lives.
The book is a good read; a story well told and well
researched. The first four patrols were told in the first
quarter of the book. Most of the book was dedicated to
the fifth patrol, the sinking of the Tang, and the
survivors rescued by the Japanese and held in POW
camps. Next on my list, after I get my feet back on the
ground, is “Clear The Bridge” by Robert H. O’Kane.
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I’m sure there will be some overlap between Kershaw’s
book and O’Kane’s book, but I am in no doubt that
there will be more detail about the first four patrols.
Also, told from the eyes and mind of the skipper just
ought to be better than raw research.
Here’s a little tidbit I found interesting. As a civilian,
do you salute the flag, place you hand over you heart, or
just stand at attention? Well, current law (US Code
Title 4, Chapter 1) states that veterans and servicemen
not in uniform should place their hand over their heart,
but doesn’t clarify whether they can or should salute the
flag. U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) got unanimous
consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow
veterans and servicemen not in uniform to salute the
flag. “The salute is a form of honor and respect,
representing pride in one’s military service,” Senator
Inhofe said. “Veterans and service members continue
representing the military services even when not in
uniform”. The bill was passed by the senate but I don’t
know if the house and the President have signed it yet.
From DISCOVER magazine, it looks as if our secrets
are becoming less secret. That doesn’t mean we’re no
longer the ‘Silent Service’. We certainly have to be
more careful, however. This photo could potentially
help other submarine navies become more of a silent
service, however.
“With the proliferation of online tools, it is hardly
surprising that state secrets have been exposed. In a
highly public - and embarrassing – incident, a blogger
in July 2007 noticed a photo showing a U.S. Navy
nuclear submarine in Bangor, Washington, posted on
Microsoft-owned Virtual Earth, a Google Earth rival.
The problem was not the sub per se, but the sub’s
propeller, which was supposed to be covered with a
shroud when out of the water to protect its top secret
design. The propeller was left exposed, and the image
was posted online. “They protect those propellers like
it’s the body and blood of Christ, the host,” says John
Pike, who runs Globalsecurity.org and was one of the
first private analysts to buy commercial satellite
imagery. “It had been 30 years since anyone had seen
an American nuclear submarine propeller.”

Just for the heck of it, I did a
Google Earth search on our
house. I was pretty worried
since our hot tub is out in the
open on the deck. I certainly
didn’t want anyone taking
pictures of my screws. But, not
to worry, the resolution is pretty
poor.
The left-hand side of the “Y” is
our driveway and that’s our
house at the end of the “Y”. The
other side of the “Y” and the
stem is the main road; that’s a
cul-de-sac at the right-hand end
of the “Y”.
Our northern property line goes
from the cul-de-sac to a point off
the picture just above our house
and intersects that vertical line
on the left side. That vertical
line is a jeep trail and is our
western boundary. The southern border goes from just
about where the jeep trail goes off the picture and
connects to the big curve in the road midway between
the crotch of the “Y” and the edge of the picture. The
eastern border, of course, is the road. The elevation
drop from the cul-de-sac to the canyon is about 400
feet.
Women In Submarines – I know the question of
women in Subs has been kicking around for quite some
time now, but according to The New York Times,
it may actually happen. How about challenging this
crew to a beer ball game?
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The last bastion of male dominance in the US Navy is about
to be swept into history. The Department of the Navy has
unveiled a project underway since last summer that will put
women in submarines.
"This is way overdue," insists Lt. Hanne Bright, an up and
coming naval officer. She is among 340 female officers and
chiefs who have been selected to initiate an abrupt change in
Navy policy; the manning of submarines by women.
Women in the United States Navy command warships and
pilot combat jets off aircraft carriers today, but until now
there remained one part of the fleet where they could not
serve: aboard the nation's nuclear-powered submarines.
Now, as the Navy has begun building a new class of
submarines, an influential military advisory committee
reignited the debate over the exclusion, recommending that
the Navy plan to allow women to join one of the service's
most storied and traditional fraternities.

''It's important we re-examine what is still closed to women,''
said Sue Winkle, the chairwoman of the group, the Defense
Advisory Committee on Women in the Services, the
Pentagon's main body that recommends policies on the issues
that face women in the armed forces.
Opposition to the time-honored all-male tradition has been
strong. Submarines are extremely space limited and the Navy
has always maintained that designing and maintaining co-ed
subs would make them too expensive. Now, however, with
the backing of outgoing President George Bush, the Navy
plans to get women into submarines and avoid mixing with
seamen by making two US Virginia class subs consist of allfemale
crew and officers.
One of the first female Prospective Commanding Officers for
submarines, Commander Sarah Bentworth, is eager to get
started. She spend two tours aboard the USS Virginia in
order to prepare for her first sub command. The Navy
spokesman says the plan should be implemented by Dec
2009.
In a speech to the Naval Submarine League last summer,
Donald C. Winter, the secretary of the Navy, signaled support
for integrating the submarine fleet, but the controversy over
his remarks ignited a flurry of protest. He warned in the
speech that the ''submarine community'' -- a tightly knit cadre
of crew members and officers -- risked becoming dangerously
out of touch with society if it did not adapt to include women,
as well as more minority submariners.
''The most Narcissus-like thing about creating something in
your own image, about being in love with your own image,''
he said, ''is the continued and continuous existence of this
segment of the Navy as a male preserve.''
What few mention is the likelihood that the Navy is pushing
ahead with the female submariner program to avoid
involvement of the US Supreme Court, scheduled to hear a
case this May, Bishop vs. the State of Connecticut. Captain
Bridget Bishop, an accomplished career naval officer argues
that prohibiting women from serving aboard submarines
limits their career potential. "If history and social progress
are any measure, this rule keeping women from serving their
country in submarines, one of the last forms of
discrimination, is not tenable," says Rachael Perperam.
MAIL SACK
"In the past, all right, there were solid reasons to keep the
submarine force all male," said Lt. Commander Katrina Van
Tassel, sitting in the officers' ward room, which serves as
dining hall, conference room, chapel and, in case of medical
emergencies, operating room. "But this is the 21-st century,
women can vote, drive cars, wear pants--why can't they be in
charge of a nuclear attack sub?"
Chief Petty Officer Doug Wilson disagrees. "Close quarters
with mixed crews produce romantic relationships. Our
culture has given up on sexual purity, so why do we expect
people will magically become `professional' and abstinent
once they are crammed together inside a 350-ft. tube?" He
shakes his head. "I went to submarines to get a breather
from my wife and her mother. Especially her mother. Now I
have to spend 60 days underwater with women? You know
how long they take in the bathroom."
"I can tell you one thing," Lt. Bright says, "we may or may
not have a woman president this time next year, but we will
have women submarines at sea. Move over, sailor."
Damaged Sub – I had included some pictures of the
USS San Francisco in issue 30, back in February of
2005. She was in pretty bad condition. Unless you
compare San Francisco with the Kursk. Now that’s
bad. That is far beyond the term ‘damaged’.
Bill Candy
I don't know about you, but I can't remember any more stories! I've related all I could - and now I hope to read one that brings up a
memory! Like Terry Elkins hiding out under the balloons in the back seat after the wedding... Boy was he in trouble when the bride
found him! Or the time Sluski woke up in the Charleston morgue, and scared the attendant nearly to death! Calm skies and smooth
sailing... Bill - ET1 – 1968 to 1971
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Dan Cooper
Ray, Just got the latest newsletter. I will be more than happy to get it via email. dandbcoope@aol.com.
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I am leaving the Under Secretary for Benefits for the Department of Veterans Affairs as of 1 April 2008. I will have been there longer
than any predecessor (two of the three predecessors "left early"). During my time we have had three Secretaries of VA; two Deputy
Secretaries; and three of each of the other two Under Secretaries (Health - VHA and Cemetaries - NCA), not sure but I think I missed
a couple trains. Thanks for all you have done for the Haddo name.
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Brian Dawson
Ray,..Great job on the newsletter. You can send it to me at this address from now on to save money. Also, Skip Greiner's cell number
has been disconnected so we may want to update that on the next newsletter. Skip and I were on Haddo back in '84, I believe, (along
with Robert Aboud too) and if he is in charge of putting together a reunion/party, I guarantee it will be a blast! Hopefully there will be
some golf involved! Take care and thanks for all you do to keep the Haddo memories alive. Warm regards
____________________________
Brian, When I copied your e-mail to my hard drive, somehow I did not get the e-mail address. Could you send it to me again? Would
you also copy Hal Clark at halnliz@frontiernet.net? Thanks, Ray
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Russell Ernfield
Hi there, My name is Russell C Ernfield, (AKA Ernie) ET1(SS) and I was on the Haddo as a nuke RO from January of 77 through
October 78 and was part of her West Pac from 3/77 till 9/77. I also was up at Bremerton for the upkeep and drank many an "OLY-
GOLD" at the now defunct "Albino-Swino" (White Pig Tavern). Just wanted to give my new e-mail address: erniegto@comcast.net.
Add it to your list and I would like to receive your news letters in the future. Thanks
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Ernie, I do the newsletter for the Haddo and I will see that you get on the list. I got your E-mail address from Ralph, but I would like
your mailing address to update my roster. I could sure use some stories for the newsletter! Just from the little I saw in your e-mail to
Ralph, I would say you have a couple memories that are not classified that you could commit to the written word and that I could put
in the newsletter. My next one goes out in August, so keep me in mind. Thanks, Ray Butters
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Yo Ray, Ernie here (ET1 SS) from the USS Haddo SSN 604. Sorry I did not get back sooner. I was a Nuke then and I'm still a nuke
now attached to BVPS 1 & 2 (Beaver Valley Power Station Units 1&2 located in Shippingport Pa) and U2 is currently in a refueling
outage so I'm a bit busy. I do have "a few" should I say "interesting stories" about my time on the good old 604. Like everyone else
(probably) I thought it sucked back then but now, what a fun time it was. I was for the most part, a 2 legged male up-rite walking
animal back then (sub sailor). I was just a kid of mid 20's age with NO responsibility other than taking care of where my next beer
was coming from and whether or not I had to pay for it. Now I'm 56, family man and still that animal thing but with a little more
responsibility. Give me some time and I will be happy to "key board" some stories for you and the crew. You have my e-mail so
please feel free to ask me any questions about my time on board. I still remember a lot of the names of people who were there with
me and I have seen some of them since I left her in 78 to go build the "Big D" USS Dallas SSN 700 in Groton Conn.
Have a good one and we'll talk to ya later, Ernie
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Dick Gill
Hal and Liz, thanks so much to you both for your service over the past years. I have really enjoyed staying in touch with some of you
all. Dick Gill
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Steve Homic
Hello Ray and Susie! I just found your card. Hope you enjoyed our memorial service and luncheon!!! It was my pleasure in meeting
both of you.
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Steve, Susie and I had a great time. We enjoyed the Submarine Birthday Celebration Banquet Friday night very much and then the
Memorial at Denver’s Sloans Lake Saturday was fun, interesting, emotional, and I ate too much at the luncheon afterwards. This will
have to be an annual event for us.
I will add you to the Haddo Newsletter roster. The next issue will go out in August. Please send me your mailing address for the
roster. AND send me a memory or two from your Haddo days. Decommissioning had to have given birth to some very memorable
stories. I really don't contribute much to the newsletter; it's the input from all the other guys that makes it interesting.
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Jerry Jolly
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Hi Ray, You are doing a great job with the newsletter. Get near Washington D.C. come and see us. Don't know why I haven't done it
sooner but here is my address: jerryjolly@verizon.net. Keep up the good work!! Jerry
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Daniel Lynch
Great Job Hal! Loved the hair cream story.
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Pat McGovern
Just to keep you informed, Matey (Brian Levgard) is a little weak right now. He is down to 118 lbs and is on morphine for pain. He
goes in the hospital tomorrow, West Suburban in Oak Park. His tumor has not grown but it attached to his liver and he has jaundice
and his liver ducts are plugged, they are going to operate, and he can use your prayers. My sister is taking good care of him and he
claims she is his saint. For the Haddo group that came and saw him last year, it was a highlight for him and I want to thank the group
again. It was very important to him; he loved the Haddo and its crew and the memories of that time and the people he was associated
with makes him beam with pride. Matey has become very spiritual and he said, “I was never one to take charge but I supported the
group on the side”. I would call it being humble. Say a prayer and lets hope for the best.--SEABAG-604 Plank Owner.
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Mike Medina
Well Hello folks.....we in the new house...a 1680 SF three bedroom two bath and getting settled in....so iffn you come this way you
will always have a place to stay...Bernie fared out better than I did in the 5TH Wheel...Bernie's said I needed water over, under, and
around to be comfortable in that small space...but anyway we getting this place squared away .....missed ya'll....Mike
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Ed Mox
Ray, I had a nice visit with Dave Hottenstein. Dave is not doing too well, however he was in good spirits. We had lunch with him
and Josie. Josie is as well in good spirits. God certainly has blessed Dave with a perfect wife. We shared some old sea stories of the
past, had a few laughs, and a glass or two of wine. It would be nice and a welcomed email, if the Haddo Shipmates would contact
Dave. Ed
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Mike O’Brien
Our dear shipmate Harry Haeussler was entered into the Eternal Patrol log this past week. Since he qualified on the USS Haddo SS-
255 I thought that this would be of interest to you.
Fair Winds
Mike O'Brien
USS Robert E. Lee (SSBN-601) Association
USSVI Life Member
Dolphin Base, San Jose, CA
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Don Payne
Ray, I was an Electrician on Haddo from 1975 at the end of the overhaul to the end of 1979. I have really enjoyed the Newsletter
since stumbling across the website a few years ago. I really enjoyed the 2006 reunion and am looking forward to 2009. Thanks for all
you do to keep it going. I don't know that I have any really good sea stories, but will try to think of something.
I noticed in the Newsletter that you needed my E-mail address. Please use jddaj@aol.com to contact me via E-mail. Thanks
Don Payne
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Stella Pittman
Dear Ray, Just wanted to let you know that Charles is in the hospital in very bad health. He has been in the hospital almost 2 weeks.
Tomorrow they are going to take him off life support. He is not doing well and I cannot see him like he is with all the tubes. I had to
make the choice to take him off life support and let the Good Lord. Take him to his resting place. They are keeping him as
comfortable as possible. I am sorry to give you the bad news but that is the way our life goes. Sincerely, Stella
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Stephen Sass
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Hi Ray, Your last newsletter arrived today and as I was reading through it I remembered that I hadn't emailed you with my email
address. Please send me the newsletter via email, sorry I didn't respond earlier than now.
San Diego reunion sounds good. My son lives in Ramona, so we will most likely make it to this one.
I noted that Andy Little had some comments for this last news letter. Oh yea, the WestPac we made that included the Auckland
stopover was a fun packed trip. As the 'M' LPO I do remember the diesel problems we had. We were pretty anxious back in the
engineering spaces trying to get the plant started up before we ran the battery down as I recall. The stopover in Auckland was
probably the most memorable of my 23 years in the Navy. I think the crew all had a wonderful time, in particular when we were
trying to enter port. I'm sure all aboard would remember the guy in the kayak. We were greeted by over 200 or so vessels. I believe
the kayak was the smallest and was the one who made us do a stop the shaft drill for real. Of course then there was the smell of
parmesan cheese throughout the boat from the crossing of the equator. I still love parmesan cheese to this day. I will have to dig out
the news clippings and pictures I have from that trip for the next reunion.
Thanks for all the hard work you (and you better half) do on the newsletter. It is always great reading material. Stephen Sass
slsass@embarqmail.com
Robert Aboud
raboud@yahoo.com
Jim Adams
Bill Allen
whallen@mac.com
John Almon
jsalmon710@aol.com
Dan (Andy) Anderson
wa5djf@arrl.net
Lance Andretta
lanceandretta@optonline.net
Charles Andrews
dj_andy1@msn.com
Ed Arnold
William Austin
Janice Bailey
jbailey41@cox.net
Scott Bailey
msurules101@aol.com
John Balogh
s18.haddo@worldnet.att.net
Stephen Banks
sbanks1@cox.net
USS Haddo Newsletter Roster
(Blue indicates Lost Contact and will be deleted from next roster)
(Red indicates new or changed since the last newsletter)
Mark Bedilion
Jack Bentley
k4imk@verizon.net
Thomas Bichsel
Adam Black
blackf001@hawaii.rr.com
John Boehme
boehmejr1@hotmail.com
Edward Bowe
BoweEW@nnsy.navy.mil
Ken Brenner
kwsg0913@bellsouth.net
John Briquelet
David Bronson
Darrell Brown
dbrown7462@aol.com
Ron Brown
uboater@excite.com
Steve Buescher
Ray Butters
RayDBF@Blackhawkranch.org
Dick Byrnes
Bill Byrum
byrumchp@charter.net
Paul Callahan
William Candy
barnaclebill@windstream.net
Merv Canham
Dwayne Capps
Fred Carter
Powell Carter
Daniel Cartwright
DCartwright@cdcartwright.us
Gary Cheslak
Robert W Chewning
Bernie Clark
Harold Clark
halnliz@frontiernet.net
A. Clary
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William J. Collins
Ralph Comp
rcomp@sc.rr.com
William Cook
wj.cook@comcast.net
Ray Coons
lorayc@worldnet.att.net
Daniel Cooper
Gerald Corcoran
gcorcoran@mindspring.com
David Crannell
dcrannell63@hotmail.com
Donald Cronin
sccronis@knology.net
Larry Crook
Jimmy Culbertson
suscul@msn.com
CAPT Rick Current
ricsuetin@cs.com
Bill D’Amato
Ronald Darnell
ronald92804@yahoo.com
James Davis
Kirk Davis
kirk-davis@centurytel.net

Brian Dawson
Dale DeCoursey
dale.decoursey@verizon.net
Anthony DeNicola
tonyjudydenicola@earthlink.net
John DeWitt
john1@johndewitt.com
Steve Dibbins
sdfbz@yahoo.com
Rick DiSalvo
rjdisalvo@aol.com
Ken Ditto
Alfred (Al) H. Dow
George Dreyer
gdreyer@dmv.com
Ken Dundon
kdundon@kjdundon.net
Greg Dunkle
Ellis Dusenbury
Ron Eaton
handpinc3@aol.com
Calvin Elam
Terry Elkins
bubz46@yahoo.com
James A. England
mengland4@cfl.rr.com
Russel Ernfield
erniegto@comcast.net
Joseph Farrell
spiritwar@hotmail.com
John Farro
johfar@mchsi.com
Bob Fehre
rjf401@aol.com
Don Feldman
dsfeldman@energynorthwest.com
E. F. (Skip) Fish
Larry Fraley
llfraley@earthlink.net
Timothy France
rtfrance@aol.com
Bill Frantz
Charles T. Free
Mike Fridley
Barry Friedel
odax@msn.com
John Frye
Jeff Funkhouser
William Galvin
Michael Gann
mgann@nycap.rr.com
Curtiss Gardner
sher707@aol.com
Jack Garrison
jwg604wv@frontiernet.net
Thomas Gault
tomgault@zoominternet.net
Edward W. Geiger
Steven Genstil
Gerry Gibeault
Eugene Gilbert
mttarn@megalink.net
Richard Gill
rbgill@msn.com
Paul Graessle
Aaron P. (Ron) Graff
rgraff88@hotmail.com
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Walt Grant
Skip Greiner
skipgrei@cox.net
Dave Gronbeck
dgronbeck@windstream.net
Martha Hale
Breezyknoll1@aol.com
Frank Hausen
James Hay
William Hayes
William Heffelmire
billheff@msn.com
Mrs. Ola F. Heflin
olie.heflin@charter.net
Clifford Herbst
cliff@stapletonco.com
James Higgins
William Hildebrandt
bhild8@comcast.net
Dick Hillman
rhillmansr@comcast.net
Dave Hinkle
Fred Holmes
fholmes210@charter.net
Steve Homic
stevehomic@att.net
David Hottenstein
Robert Jaeger
Ron James
Gerald Joachim
wakonade@yahoo.com
Dana D. Johnson
Douglas Johnson
Jerry Johnson
Norm Johnson
johnson@ca.metsci.com
Wayne L. Johnston
wayne65@tiadon.com
Jack Johnston
jbjohns@alltel.net
Jim Johnston
jmj5@aol.com (hm)
jim@jmjassoc.com (wk)
Jerry Jolly
jerryjolly@verizon.net
Will Jordan
nrotcco@purdue.edu
Governor C. Joy
waterslug@aol.com
Thad "Ski" Kedzierski
Kedzierski1@llnl.gov
Larry C. Kelley
Dave Kittelson
ealk@yahoo.com
Arthur Kneuer
akneuer@aol.com
Don Koeppen
Larry Krause
Leroy (Rocky) Kreider
Kreider@aol.com
Ron Larsen
haddossn604@sbcglobal.net
Dean Larson
Gregg Larson
greggd.larson@exeloncorp.com
Brian C. Levgard
matey604@sbcglobal.net
Dale Liggett

Mike Lintner
Andy Little
littleaw@comcast.net
Chris Longe
navcpo2@yahoo.com
Bruce Loughridge
loughbd@oz.net
Scott Lowrimore
Jerry Lundquist
mmcsssn604@charter.net
Daniel J. Lynch
dlynchindy@iquest.net
William (or Bill) Mack Sr.
Johnnymack1983@aol.com
Juice Madai
James Mangold
Bobby Martin
bmartin358@aol.com
Joseph Martin Jr.
Joseph.martin@totalsalessolutions.com
Andrew Massimino
Harry Mathis
Michael McGahan
mcgahanm@cox.net
Patrick J. McGovern
pat@appsmail.com
John McMicheal
macm@airmail.net
Dale McQuinn
Mike Medina
ssn698@indian-creek.net
C. Mendenhall
Tom Miletich
Norman Mims
mims2home@msn.com
Marc Mitchell
Dave Montgomery
montdk@sbcgloble.net
Jimmy Moore
Lyle Moore
percryo@hotmail.com
Ray Moore
PNC@Bellsouth.net
Ed Mox
edwardmox@sbcglobal.net
William Murphy
Bob Nash
Ed Neasham
ed@neasham.com
Bill Neff
neffw@earthlink.net
Mark Nelson
Jim Niemann
jniemann@aol.com
Jack A Nobbs
janobbs@aol.com
Dick Noble
rmnoble@hughes.net
Robert Noonan
Dean Nyffeler
dnyffeler@aol.com
Patrick O’Brien
ptdbob@comcast.net
Bill O'Connor
Joseph F. (Red) O’Hara
2joe4ohara@gmail.com
David Oliver
daveoliverjr@comcast.net
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Dennis G. Osborn
denster63@hotmail.com
Larry G. Page
lgpageusa@aol.com
Denis Panek
dennispanek@yahoo.com
Jim Parker
ja-parker@cox.net
Don Payne
jddaj@aol.com
J. Steven Perry
Fred Pester
cgdolphin@aol.com
Kenneth T. Pitman
ktpskeet@msn.com
Charles Pittman
Ed Polz
Neil Poole
Allan Precht
Frank Prochazka
Randy Quint
Roger M. Rackley
Phil Rainha
George Rodgers
gtr03@hotmail.com
Nolan Romero
flonol@yahoo.com
Dempsey Rouse
haddo604@embarqmail.com
Larry Rudisill
Tom Rush
Joseph Rustin
rustwood@mvn.net
Levi Salazar
Fred Santillanes
Stephen Sass
slsass@embarqmail.com
Dwayne Schuh
Dwayne.schuh@summit.fiserv.com
Mark Schwinger
schwinger@comcast.net
Christopher S. Seebald
cs6352@att.com
Gary Semler
gsemler@sc.rr.com
Claude Shelton III
cs3mail@bwwonline.com
Roy Shipp
kshipp@powerflame.com
Paul Shockley
Louis Slaughter
Nan Sluski
irish1947@aol.com
Don Smith
dirtywatersmith@comcast.net
Reid Smith
Robert Smith
rakett@aol.com
Denny Snider
dsnider@inteliport.com
Jon Spencer
Ray Sphar
Mike Sposeto
Doyle Stevenson
Dick Stever
Stephen Stockinger
stephenjn@yahoo.com

John Stoffel
Louis O. Storm
Barbara Stratton
Ralph Stroede
rstroede@hughes.net
John Sullivan
Jeff Summy
jeff_ssn604@yahoo.com
Rod Taft
bgrt@cableone.net
Chester Tallant
cdtssn604@1starnet.com
Buck Taylor (Koon)
bucanddoe@earthlink.net
Jack Taylor
jasminetay@aol.com
Mike Teberg
mteberg@mac.com
Ladd Tomlin
ladeau@bellsouth.net
Dale Torpey
dtorpey@federationbankia.com
Bob Townsend
Gary True
Ray ‘Tim’ Turner
Tom Upshaw
upshaw@hargray.com
Kipp Van Aken
Steve Van Osdol
hickoryandoak@gmail.com
James Van Wyk
jlvanwyk@mmm.com
John Viney
totengo@aol.com
Dave Waddell
Fernley Wagner, Jr.
pint33@aol.com
Frederick A. Waldman
Mike Wampler
mwwampler@qwest.net
Al Ward
Dale Ward
dward@farmersagent.com
George H. Warner
buckssn593@aol.com
Tom Warner, Sr.
Geoff Warnock
gwarnock@cox.net
Denny Weaver
Wilson W. Weaver
ww071549@bellsouth.net
Ron Wells
cobssn@ezworks.net
L Wess
Payson Whitney
Len Wiens
lensuewiens@aol.com
Mrs. Dorothy Williams
Paul Wiltberger
wilt@cfl.rr.com
Michael P. Wimmer
jkr859@aol.com
Frank Wise
f.wise@mail.utexas.edu
Mike Zielinski
Keith Zimmer
kzimmer@wi.rr.com
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