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IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE No. Folio 2009 1315<br />

QUEEN’S BENCH DIVISION<br />

COMMERCIAL COURT<br />

[2010] EWHC 0166 (Comm)<br />

Royal Courts of Justice<br />

Friday, 22 nd January 2010<br />

Before:<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL<br />

B E T W E E N :<br />

CRASTVELL TRADING LTD.<br />

Claimant<br />

- and -<br />

BOZEL <strong>SA</strong><br />

Defendant<br />

__________<br />

Transcribed by BEVERLEY F. NUNNERY & CO<br />

Official Shorthand Writers and Tape Transcribers<br />

Quality House, Quality Court, Chancery Lane, London WC2A 1HP<br />

Tel: 020 7831 5627 Fax: 020 7831 7737<br />

info@beverleynunnery.com<br />

__________<br />

MR. A. POLLEY (instructed by Nabarro) appeared on behalf of the Claimant.<br />

MR. S. MAJUMDAR (instructed by Edwin Coe) appeared on behalf of the Defendant.<br />

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J U D G M E N T<br />

(As approved by the Judge)


MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL:<br />

1 This is an application by the claimants for summary judgment. It is the claimants’<br />

case that there is no realistic prospect of the defendants successfully defending the<br />

claim that is brought against them and that there is no other compelling reason why<br />

the case should be disposed of at trial. I do not understand that alternative avenue<br />

as being a live proposition in the present application. Accordingly, the court can<br />

focus on the question whether the defendants have or have not a realistic prospect<br />

of defending the claim successfully.<br />

2 That criterion or test is the subject of numerous authorities. There is no dispute<br />

between the parties as to what it means. The defendants have got to establish that<br />

they have a case which is better than merely arguable. It is not sufficient that they<br />

can establish that there is a fanciful or imaginary prospect of fending off the claim.<br />

It is of course also established law that where there are substantial issues of fact the<br />

court will not conduct a mini trial, but nonetheless, the court is entitled to inspect<br />

the material that has been put before the court on factual issues and be satisfied that<br />

the defendants’ case on the issues of fact has some degree of conviction.<br />

3 The parties know what this case is all about and therefore I can introduce it very<br />

briefly. It is a claim for monies under three loan agreements. The defendants,<br />

<strong>Bozel</strong>, are a subsidiary of a company called Welgate. <strong>Bozel</strong>’s business is in the<br />

metals and minerals field. It is not necessary to recite the relevant terms of the<br />

agreement, save one provision which is common to all three of them, which is<br />

Clause 14 of the mezzanine loan agreement, and Clause 15 of the convertible<br />

mezzanine and convertible senior loan agreements. The principal part reads:<br />

“(1) Except as required by law, all payments due to the lender under this<br />

agreement will be made free and clear of all deductions and withholdings<br />

whether in respect of taxation, set-off, counterclaim or otherwise.”<br />

4 The monies had been borrowed to finance acquisition by <strong>Bozel</strong> of various other<br />

companies. The monies were originally repayable in July and August 2009. By<br />

January that year the <strong>Bozel</strong> Group (of which the defendants form a part) found<br />

itself in financial difficulties in the worldwide downturn, and in particular the fall<br />

in demand for steel. Two creditors of <strong>Bozel</strong> and the <strong>Bozel</strong> Group, namely the<br />

claimant and another company called Trafalgar Capital who had also effected<br />

loans, entered into a standstill agreement with <strong>Bozel</strong>. This agreement contemplated<br />

that <strong>Bozel</strong> would seek to restructure or refinance its obligations. To that end the<br />

creditors agreed not to take any enforcement action under the various loan<br />

agreements until June 2009, despite the fact that there had already accrued an event<br />

of default. It appears that Trafalgar were and remain on friendly terms with<br />

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Welgate and <strong>Bozel</strong>, but the relationship between Welgate and <strong>Bozel</strong> on the one<br />

hand and the claimants on the other deteriorated.<br />

5 When the standstill agreement came to an end in July 2009 the claimants sought to<br />

enforce its rights by taking various proceedings against <strong>Bozel</strong> and, for that matter,<br />

Welgate to whom they had also made a loan. The sum at stake was significant,<br />

some £13.5 million of which only a very small proportion had been repaid. One of<br />

the features of the various loans to <strong>Bozel</strong>, and indeed to Welgate, were share<br />

pledges in respect of the shares of <strong>Bozel</strong> and various subsidiaries. Those share<br />

pledges play somewhat of a significant role in the disputes that have subsequently<br />

arisen.<br />

6 It is one of the contentions that is advanced by the defendants that the history of<br />

events since the standstill agreement was entered into and the subsequent<br />

enforcement action that has been taken by the claimants demonstrates that far from<br />

being anxious to be repaid the money they loaned, the claimants want somehow to<br />

obtain the ownership of <strong>Bozel</strong> and its subsidiaries, or the shares in those<br />

companies, at some under value. I am bound to say that I see nothing in the<br />

documents which begins to support any such contention. To the contrary, it seems<br />

to me that the claimants have advanced their claim for recovery of the loan monies<br />

with some considerable vigour. It would be, on any view, a surprising situation if,<br />

in the context of a Part 24 application, the reality was that the claimants were<br />

anxious to lose and not recover the monies that were due to it.<br />

7 The fact that it has pursued its claim with some vigour is the source of some<br />

complaint on the part of <strong>Bozel</strong> and Welgate. The fact that the claimants have<br />

behaved in a somewhat hard-nosed manner may have ruffled feathers, but it does<br />

not seem to me to have any bearing on the justice of the matter or the appropriate<br />

outcome to this application.<br />

8 It seems that a significant number of proceedings have been instituted. First, even<br />

before the standstill agreement came to an end, a claim was instituted in Florida<br />

against a <strong>Bozel</strong> subsidiary incorporated in that state and various individuals. In the<br />

event, those proceedings were stayed by the Florida courts on the grounds of forum<br />

non conveniens. I need say no more about them. Secondly, as I have already<br />

intimated, there was a claim against Welgate in this court and judgment in default<br />

of acknowledgement of service or defence (I am not quite sure which) resulted.<br />

9 Having obtained judgment, the claimants took various steps. Firstly, and this is of<br />

particular materiality, they seized shares in <strong>Bozel</strong> owned by Welgate which had<br />

been pledged to them. They were situate in Luxembourg.<br />

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10 Secondly, they obtained a freezing order in the BVI, the jurisdiction of<br />

incorporation of Welgate, in which Welgate were restrained from disposing of any<br />

assets save in excess of the value of the claimant’s claim, and also sought an order<br />

for winding up of the company following a statutory demand.<br />

11 That latter order was duly made. It was followed by an application by Welgate to<br />

set that order aside. The grounds for so doing have an echo of the points that are<br />

being made by <strong>Bozel</strong> in the present proceedings, namely to the effect that in some<br />

respect the claimants had taken steps to prevent Welgate from obtaining refinance<br />

or otherwise repaying the loan from some other source. The application to set<br />

aside failed. The court held that there was no cross claim of the kind in fact<br />

intimated in the present proceedings which Welgate wished to pursue.<br />

12 Lastly, in relation to the proceedings in Luxembourg, the claimants sought a<br />

winding up order. That application was dismissed on the grounds that, as I<br />

understand it, the court was not satisfied that the inability to meet the loan<br />

repayments may have been only temporary. All this activity, in my judgment,<br />

supports the proposition that the interest of the claimants is indeed to recover its<br />

money and no more.<br />

13 The defendants say that the reason why the loans have not been repaid is because<br />

the defendants have been unable to refinance the loan. It is submitted that the<br />

reason they have been unable to refinance the loan is because the claimants have<br />

taken every possible step to be obstructive and prevent the defendants from making<br />

a successful agreement with third parties to provide funds, almost all those<br />

potential agreements being on the basis that the third party would purchase the<br />

shares in the <strong>Bozel</strong> group of companies.<br />

14 This immediately raises what seems to me to be an important threshold issue,<br />

namely whether, on the assumption that such a counterclaim is a good claim<br />

(namely that the claimants did indeed conduct itself in that way and secondly that<br />

such conduct was in breach of the loan agreement, and thirdly that the impact of<br />

the conduct was to prevent the refinancing) does the consequential counterclaim<br />

constitute a ground for refusing judgment on the claim? Of course, in this respect,<br />

the claimants rely upon the no set-off clauses (if I may call them that) in the<br />

various loan agreements.<br />

15 The legitimacy of the parties entering into an agreement whereby they separate out<br />

frontline claims on their agreement from cross claims, so that judgment can be<br />

accorded on the claim, leaving the defendant to advance his cross claim in due<br />

course, has received the clearest possible judicial approval in Coca Cola Financial<br />

Corporation v. Finsat (six) [1998] QB 43. Just to cite from the judgment of Neill<br />

LJ at page 52:<br />

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“Moreover, I can see no reason in principle why parties who are in general<br />

a contractual relationship cannot isolate one contract or one aspect of their<br />

dealing and provide their rights in relation thereto are to be treated<br />

separately from their other dealings.”<br />

16 Accordingly, what the claimants say in the present proceedings is that they are<br />

fully entitled to obtain judgment on their claim, leaving the defendants (if so<br />

advised) to advance their counterclaim in due course.<br />

17 The answer that is advanced in regard to that proposition is that the claim which the<br />

defendants wish to advance on the basis of the alleged implied term (which, for<br />

present purposes we must assume to be a good claim) means that there will be a<br />

claim which is pari passu with the loan monies, and accordingly, within the<br />

meaning of the set-off provisions in the loan agreements, the payments said to be<br />

due to the lender under the agreement are not in fact “due”. Therefore the bar to<br />

the effect that the claim be free and clear of deductions and withholdings such as<br />

set-off has no application on the facts of this case.<br />

18 The basis of this submission, as I understand it, is founded on a judgment of Mr.<br />

Geoffrey Brice QC in a case called Schenkers Ltd v. Overland Shoes. In that case<br />

the relevant clause provided that: “The customer shall pay to the company in cash<br />

or as otherwise agreed all sums immediately when due, without reduction or<br />

deferment on account of any claim, counterclaim or set-off”. The issue that arose<br />

from that case was the question whether such a provision fell foul of the Unfair<br />

Contract Terms Act. Perhaps not surprisingly, the plaintiff was anxious to restrict<br />

the apparently wide nature of that provision so as to support its claim that the term<br />

was a reasonable one.<br />

19 The outcome can be discerned from a passage at page 502 in the report [1998] 1<br />

Lloyd’s Rep 498 where the learned judge said this:<br />

“The no set-off provision of Clause 23(a) is very wide indeed. Mr. Irvine<br />

for the plaintiff contended that the clause did not apply to a defence to a<br />

particular transaction as opposed to complaints arising from other earlier<br />

transactions. Indeed, it was, or appeared to become, common ground that<br />

the reduction or deferment referred to in the clause related only to<br />

transactions other than the particular transaction with which the plaintiff’s<br />

invoice was concerned. The reason for this was the use of the expression<br />

‘when due’, and it was accepted that if there was a defence to an individual<br />

invoice when the sum so claimed was not due, I agree with this<br />

construction.”<br />

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20 It is always difficult to extract from a passage of that kind the precise scope of the<br />

conclusion of law that was being reached, not least because what the learned judge<br />

concluded was in effect the outcome of an agreement. The parties were ad idem on<br />

this topic.<br />

21 It is consistent with the proposition that where a claim to a debt, for instance, can<br />

be met by a substantive defence to the claim, then by definition the sum that is<br />

claimed is not due. But if, as is suggested by the defendants, the effect of the<br />

application of that decision to the present case is to conclude that some but not all<br />

set-offs result in the consequence that there is no sum due, that is a surprising<br />

outcome, if not a commercially absurd one.<br />

22 My conclusion is that it is necessary for the relevant cross claim to actually impugn<br />

the claim itself and such does not arise on any view in this case. That conclusion is<br />

consistent, it seems to me, with authority.<br />

23 So far as the textbooks are concerned, in Derham The Law of Set-Off Third<br />

Edition paragraph 5.86 the topic is dealt with in this way:<br />

“A contract may include a provision to the effect that one party must pay all<br />

sums immediately when due without deduction or set-of. It is unlikely that<br />

a contract in those terms would be affected … equitable set-off in relation<br />

to a damages cross claim which is inseparably connected with a debt the<br />

subject of the plaintiff’s claim because the substantive nature of the set-off<br />

would mean the plaintiff could not assert that the debt is due for the<br />

purposes of the clause.”<br />

24 On the facts of the present case that does not arise. The cross claim does not<br />

impugn the claim. In July 2009 all the sums under the loan agreements became<br />

due. The liability of the defendants accrued. The cross claim and the alleged setoff<br />

all arise out of subsequent events giving rise to a claim for breach arising during<br />

the course of the period in which the defendants were seeking to obtain monies to<br />

repay the claim. In my judgment, that cannot possibly constitute a bar to the<br />

recovery of the claim, having regard to the terms of the loan agreements.<br />

25 I am fortified in that conclusion by two decisions of the Court of Appeal: Stewart<br />

Gill Ltd. v. Horatio Myer & Co Ltd [1992] 1 QB 600 and Fastframe v. Lohinski a<br />

decision of the Court of Appeal in March 1993 where although the issue was not<br />

the subject of any dispute between the parties, both courts concluded in agreement<br />

with the parties that a clause of this kind would preclude a cross claim which does<br />

not impugn the debt. As I say, although not argued, it seems to me to be significant<br />

support for the conclusion that I have reached.<br />

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26 The defendants’ counter to this was broadly along the lines that the circumstances<br />

here, as they contend, where the claimants prevented the defendants from<br />

refinancing the loans did establish a very close connection, or at least a sufficiently<br />

close connection, with the claim to justify the cross claim being treated as not<br />

excluded by the terms of the agreement. It was submitted that there was a difficultto-define<br />

spectrum of cross claims giving rise to potential equitable set-offs, some<br />

of which were sufficiently closely connected with the claim and some of which<br />

were not.<br />

27 I am bound to say that my view is that the cross claim, even if this approach is<br />

correct, does not have remotely sufficiently close connection with the claim, given<br />

that the claim became due well before the cross claim did ever arise. But in my<br />

judgment any commercial reading of the terms of the set-off clause in these<br />

agreements must be read as justifying the disregard of all set-offs and all<br />

counterclaims, unless the impact of the set-off is such as to render the underlying<br />

claim invalid or void.<br />

28 That is sufficient to dispose of the present proceedings in the sense that it is<br />

common ground that if that conclusion is correct, any analysis of the cross claim is<br />

rendered redundant. But I will, nonetheless, say a little about the cross claim itself.<br />

This is said to arise under an implied term within the agreement. I think the<br />

defendants recognise that they had some difficulty in formulating the precise terms<br />

of the implied term. What eventually was contended, as I understand it, is that<br />

there was an implied term that the claimants would not take active steps to prevent<br />

or impede the defendants from raising finance with which to repay the loan.<br />

29 I have of course been reminded of the decision of the Privy Council in Attorney<br />

General of Belize v. Belize Telecom [2009] 1 WLR and the various passages in the<br />

speech of Lord Steyn and relating to the basis upon which it is appropriate to imply<br />

a term. By way of summary, the Privy Council found that whilst there were a<br />

number of criteria which had been used from time to time by the courts in<br />

embarking upon the task of finding what should be implied and/or what the<br />

contract would mean (namely reference to what is reasonable and equitable,<br />

reference to what gives business efficacy to the contract, what is so obvious it goes<br />

without saying, what is capable of being clearly expressed, and what does not<br />

contradict an express term of the contract) were not to be seen as independent tests.<br />

There was a collection of different ways in which the judges have tried to express<br />

the central idea that the implied term must spell out what the contract actually<br />

means.<br />

30 The starting point here, it seems to me, is that any attempt to imply a term in regard<br />

to this contract must be embarked on by an analysis of the express terms in the<br />

factual matrix in which the contract was entered into. The fact that in due course,<br />

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after the loans became due, a dispute arose with regard to the ability of the<br />

defendants to repay the loan and the extent to which the claimants were interfering<br />

with it, were not matters which were within the consideration of the parties when<br />

they entered into the agreement. Of course, I readily accept that the court would<br />

imply a term to the effect that the claimants would not take steps to prevent the<br />

performance of the defendants’ repayment obligations, namely their obligation to<br />

repay when those sums came due. But at the due date it is not suggested that the<br />

claimants had, at that stage, taken any steps to impede the defendants from<br />

repaying the loan. The reason why the defendants did not repay the loan was quite<br />

straightforward: they did not have any money. That is why they did not pay on the<br />

due date.<br />

31 There seem to me to be serious difficulties about implying a term relating to what<br />

steps the claimants could take after their loan became due and repayable. It is<br />

obvious that the claimants will wish to enforce its right to repayment and in the<br />

process to ensure that it does not lose any security. In that latter regard, the<br />

claimants would want to ensure that a third party is not invited to embark on a<br />

course of action which would prejudice the claimants’ claim and/or defendants’<br />

security. The term that is being suggested by the defendants would effectively<br />

impede the claimants from enforcing its justified rights. I see absolutely no need to<br />

incorporate or imply any such term. To the contrary, it would be quite improper.<br />

32 There is, it seems to me, some force in the proposition that what the defendants are<br />

seeking to do by virtue of this argument is either to raise a complaint in regard to<br />

the standstill agreement (which is not made), or alternatively to promote a claim<br />

which might more properly be advanced by way of economic tort. Furthermore,<br />

there is, it seems to me, a serious difficulty on the facts. The high spot of the<br />

defendants’ case is that an agreement with a firm called Trilliant with Welgate was<br />

stymied by the claimants. The material that touches on that issue, which is<br />

contained within the bundle and has been read to the court, does not seem to me to<br />

begin to make good that complaint.<br />

33 What had happened was that Welgate had entered into negotiations with a firm<br />

called Trilliant with a view to Trilliant purchasing the shares of <strong>Bozel</strong>. Wind of<br />

this got out in the course, as I understand it, of the Luxembourg proceedings, albeit<br />

of a slightly different transaction. On 11 th September 2009 the claimants wrote to<br />

Trilliant recording the fact that it was understood that Trilliant were going to buy<br />

the shares of the <strong>Bozel</strong> subsidiaries, and complaining that despite the fact that<br />

Trilliant purported to be acting with the cooperation of the claimant, it had in fact<br />

never contacted them. More importantly perhaps even than that, it was pointed out<br />

that Trilliant had never approached the claimants in order to ensure that the<br />

recovery of their loan was protected by payment of all or part of the proceeds of<br />

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sale into an escrow account for their benefit. Not surprisingly, they sounded a<br />

warning as to that plan.<br />

34 The response from American lawyers acting for Trilliant explained that they were<br />

proceeding on the basis of concern on the part of their clients that the claimants had<br />

interfered with or frustrated an earlier deal involving Jessop & Lamont, and had<br />

decided to move forward without the participation of the claimants. It was<br />

announced that after careful deliberation, as it was put, they had decided to change<br />

tack and had embarked on the negotiation, as I understand it, with Welgate for an<br />

acquisition of the <strong>Bozel</strong> shares, the claimants being sent by copy of that letter.<br />

Attention was drawn to the fact that following the sale of the shares it was intended<br />

that £20 million of the sums involved should be used to repay the outstanding<br />

<strong>Bozel</strong> debts to Trafalgar on the one hand and the claimants on the other.<br />

35 Again, not surprisingly, this provoked a somewhat brusque response from the<br />

claimants, drawing attention to the fact that the shares of <strong>Bozel</strong>, which were<br />

purportedly to be sold by Welgate to Trilliant, had been seized in Luxembourg as a<br />

result of the default judgment against Welgate, and that the claimants were seeking<br />

to obtain a court decision for the sale of those shares on a public sale, and that<br />

interference with a court sale was not legally proper, and suggesting that the<br />

transaction that Trilliant and Welgate were embarking on was not permissible.<br />

36 In my judgment, there is nothing in that material which could be regarded as<br />

improper or in breach of any obligation to be of reasonable assistance to the<br />

defendants in meeting their obligations. All that is happening is that the claimants<br />

were exercising their legitimate legal rights to recover the sums due to them, and to<br />

do so, amongst other things, by exercising the security they had over the pledged<br />

shares.<br />

37 Lastly, if that was not enough, there is no material that I have seen which persuades<br />

me that it is arguable that the steps taken by the claimants to protect its interests<br />

actually led to any breakdown of the negotiations with Trilliant, which in fact<br />

continued for a considerable time thereafter.<br />

38 It follows that even if I were not satisfied that the set-off clauses did not bar the<br />

counterclaim, the counterclaim itself has no realistic prospect of success. For all<br />

those reasons, I grant the claimants the relief they seek.<br />

MR. POLLEY: My Lord, I am very grateful. You have seen the draft order already.<br />

So far as I know there is no contention about it. I know my learned friend has<br />

calculated it, although I do not know how helpful it will be to finalise the<br />

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schedules. Those instructing me have been beavering away to get those right. The<br />

order I seek is before your Lordship. I would ask for costs.<br />

My Lord, in relation to costs there is a clause in the contract which is set out in the<br />

particulars of claim which provides, as many of these agreements do, for<br />

contractual costs on the indemnity basis. Your Lordship will know the ordinary<br />

rule is in those circumstances they are supposed to be fair and reasonable. Of<br />

course, your Lordship’s discretion is not ousted, if your Lordship wants to order<br />

costs on a different basis. In my submission, this is a proper case for indemnity<br />

costs given the contractual clause.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Does the contractual clause have the effect that it is not<br />

open to the defendants to assert that any part of the claim for costs is unreasonable?<br />

MR. POLLEY: My Lord, no, absolutely, they can take those points.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Just an ordinary indemnity order.<br />

MR. POLLEY: What it does, my Lord, is shift the presumption effectively, so that the<br />

court will ordinarily assume.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: What I was wanting to know is what is the implication<br />

of the contractual provision that costs will be on an indemnity basis? Simply that<br />

an indemnity basis in so far as a detailed assessment, if undertaken?<br />

MR. POLLEY: Yes, my Lord, or a summary assessment.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Or a summary assessment. Let us try to deal with<br />

those three points first. Is there any issue about the terms of the order in respect of<br />

the sums claimed, or are you unable to help me on that?<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: As my learned friend says, I have a calculator, but even if I had<br />

access to the relevant libel figure it would take quite a long time. The answer is I<br />

do not know. It is plausible.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: I will not sign an order today. I will give the parties<br />

until Tuesday close of play to reach an agreement on what sums are due and to<br />

include such in an agreed form of order.<br />

Is there a dispute that the claimants are entitled to their costs?<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: My Lord, no.<br />

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MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Is there a dispute that they are entitled to them on an<br />

indemnity basis?<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: My Lord, no. That seems to be standard.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Let me see the schedule now.<br />

MR. POLLEY: I have it here. I do not if your Lordship has seen it. (Handed) I have<br />

not looked at it in great detail myself. I also have not seen my learned friend’s<br />

costs schedule to the extent that may be relevant. Your Lordship sees the grand<br />

total is just shy of £40,000.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Is there any particular point that you wanted to draw to<br />

my attention?<br />

MR. POLLEY: I do not think so, my Lord. This is a £14 million claim. This is a<br />

substantial piece of litigation. My learned friend’s client raised a number of issues<br />

which had to be dealt with as factual issues.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Mr. Majumdar, any comments on this?<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: My Lord, I have seen it only a few seconds ago, and that is not just<br />

because it has just been supplied by the other side but because I had not been given<br />

it.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: I cannot resist asking you what your costs are.<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: I do not know. I have not seen our schedule.<br />

MR. POLLEY: So we are both in the dark as to that, my Lord!<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: My Lord, I am just going to comment on the scribbled notes that<br />

have been made by those sitting behind me. Starting at the bottom, attention is<br />

drawn to the photocopying and binding costs.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: £860, yes. I thought that was how solicitors made<br />

most of their money!<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: I am objecting to that! My Lord, looking further up the page,<br />

attendances on documents, the figures claimed for Grade B and C fee earners. That<br />

comes to something like 35 hours which again struck us as being quite a lot.<br />

Attendances on others and not even on the client. Again, that seems to be quite a<br />

lot of time spent.<br />

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MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Yes. Attendances on colleagues is a rather strange<br />

concept. It may be popping round next door and saying: what do you think?<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: Yes. Cumulatively that seems like quite a lot of time under that<br />

category.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: What is your offer, around two bases, either all in or<br />

alternatively by way of payment on account?<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: The figure of 18 all in is suggested from behind.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Thank you. Mr. Polley, attendance on colleagues is an<br />

unusual item.<br />

MR. POLLEY: My Lord, may I just take instructions very briefly. (Pause) My Lord,<br />

what I can say about that is your Lordship will see that category includes a number<br />

of things. Attendances on the court includes, for instance, being at this hearing<br />

which was, at one stage, scheduled to take an entire day. So there are a couple of<br />

hours in that respect. Attendances on colleagues involves internal discussions<br />

within my instructing solicitors, Nabarro, about the case. It is impossible at this<br />

stage to get a detailed breakdown.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: Between the people named.<br />

MR. POLLEY: Yes, for instance Mr. Warne speaking to Mr. Taplin or whatever. My<br />

Lord, I think that is all I can helpfully say on the material in front of me. In<br />

relation to attendances on documents, very briefly, without seeing my learned<br />

friend’s costs schedule it is very difficult to know what the sensible comparator<br />

would be. In relation to photocopying and binding, I am told that is what it cost us,<br />

my Lord, as simple as that. The suggestion that £18,000 which is less than half, is<br />

the appropriate measure on an indemnity basis in a claim of this magnitude is --<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: An option: £35,000 all in or £25,000 on account?<br />

MR. POLLEY: My Lord, I will just take instructions. (Pause)<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: A good example of a discussion between colleagues.<br />

MR. POLLEY: My Lord, this is a discussion with a client in fact; this is attendances on<br />

clients!<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: I see. (Pause)<br />

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MR. POLLEY: My Lord, the instructions are £35,000 all in would be acceptable to us.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: £35,000 payable within 14 days. Thank you very<br />

much.<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: My Lord, one more matter. My clients are not here, but may I ask,<br />

so that I can say that I asked, for permission to appeal?<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: On all of it or which part?<br />

MR. MAJUMDAR: On all of it.<br />

MR. JUSTICE DAVID STEEL: I do not think it is appropriate for me to grant leave. I<br />

have concluded that there is no realistic prospect of defending the claim. It must<br />

follow therefore that there is no realistic prospect on an appeal and leave is refused.<br />

Thank you both very much.<br />

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