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would be working for, their<br />
inclination would be to have<br />
pieces of music that would be<br />
jazz oriented. So that there was<br />
even a certain amount of<br />
satisfaction, even as· studio<br />
musicians and a lot of that, I<br />
think back to the arranging that<br />
went on with a lot of people at<br />
that time was all very demanding<br />
and satisfying to you musically as<br />
an instrumc;!ntalist, or as a<br />
sideman; as we used to call<br />
ourselves.<br />
It was very satisfying ·<br />
musically. I think even when we<br />
went out and played dance jobs,<br />
playing in Stan Patton's band,<br />
was a kick, even if I only got an<br />
eight bar solo, you know.<br />
GB: When it came to phrasing,<br />
though, when jazz players read a<br />
piece of music, they tend to want<br />
to swing,· so the notation could be<br />
very. simple, but out of that .<br />
simple notation, you have to find<br />
a way of articulating it in a way<br />
that it does swing. The difference<br />
between jazz-oriented players and<br />
classically trained players is that<br />
classically tr~ined players read<br />
the notes exactly the· way they are<br />
written, and so in order to try and<br />
get the most out of classical<br />
players, composers and arrangers<br />
- I'm talking about jazz .<br />
composers and jazz arrangers -<br />
figured out a way of writing the<br />
music in 12/8 instead of 4/4, to<br />
give it more of that - what do<br />
they call it. ..<br />
PN: Swing eight notes, the rolled<br />
eighth notes.<br />
GB and JG in unison: The rolled<br />
notes, yes.<br />
have this rJiing written in 12/8',<br />
and then, of course, they're<br />
using the same charts when they<br />
show up someplace where we are<br />
playing and we can't make that<br />
thing move at all, because it's a<br />
different language altogether in<br />
12/8. And so you sit there for a<br />
moment and you study it and you<br />
say, 'Oh, that's all it ineans - it<br />
only means (and here we have<br />
another vocal rendition from<br />
Signor Basso). Pow! That's all it<br />
means! Well, why didn't they<br />
write it that way?<br />
(More laughter.)<br />
PN: It's a very interesting thing,<br />
'though, because I, until I started<br />
to teach a few years ago, never<br />
thought about it, we just did<br />
it. We've only had to say, well,<br />
how does this happen, and, of<br />
course, the technical explanation<br />
is that you take two eighth notes<br />
that make up a quarter note, but<br />
those two eighth notes, to swing<br />
them, they sound like part of an<br />
eighth note triplet, the first eighth<br />
note being a quarter note and the<br />
second eighth a triplet of that<br />
three eighth note, so to speak.<br />
And even if you dotted eighths<br />
and sixteenths in a swing<br />
chart, they are played still the<br />
same way as I've described, as an<br />
eighth note triplet .... Of.course,<br />
when you have shot notes, the up<br />
beats, the offbeats, they're in a<br />
different position and as the<br />
tempo gets slower, they get much<br />
harder for people who don't<br />
know how to swing.<br />
It's an interesting thing<br />
and, I think it's something - you<br />
try very hard to teach and .. I'm<br />
being a little hesitant, because<br />
I'm not always successful in<br />
getting people to swing. And<br />
even people who come into the<br />
jazz prograffime, to have that<br />
feeling that it's just so much a<br />
part of themselves all the time. It<br />
can be a very elusive factor, I<br />
· think. And, of course, now that<br />
we have latin style, we are<br />
playing straight eighth notes,<br />
which gives an entirely different<br />
feel. Some classical instruments,<br />
like the violin, for example, is an<br />
awkward instrument, it seems<br />
like technically moving the bow,<br />
to make it swing, I mean, to do<br />
this, it's almost like it's rigid, in<br />
a sense. There are very few<br />
people, violinists, I think, that<br />
really can swing.<br />
JG: When you listen to those<br />
albums that Grappelli made with<br />
Menuhin, it's night and day,<br />
because Yehudi just can't swing."<br />
PN: Oh, gosh yes, Although<br />
Perlman comes pretty close to it<br />
and I've always dug Joe Venuti in<br />
that regard."<br />
JG: Eddie South.<br />
GB: And, of course, Jean-Luc<br />
Ponty, . . . But, you know,<br />
getting back to Moe. There's no<br />
question about that, I mean, the<br />
last concert we did at the jazz<br />
·festival last year with The Boss<br />
Brass, Moe had definitely used<br />
that as a target. He was practising<br />
then and he got himself really in<br />
great shape for that concert.<br />
..... The unfortunate thing is that<br />
Moe had been a workaholic all<br />
his life, practised hard, worked<br />
hard and because of his business<br />
acull).en, and all that stuff, he<br />
wound up with Live Ent as<br />
contractor of all those Broadway<br />
shows that came to town.<br />
There were times when<br />
he had three orchestras working<br />
at three different musicals in<br />
three different theatres and he<br />
was hopping around like· a<br />
madman. But he loved that. He<br />
loved the paperwork, he loved all<br />
that stuff, but then finally when<br />
Live Ent folded, the only show<br />
that was left was 'Phantom<br />
of the Opera', he was counting<br />
the days for when that would<br />
close, so that he'd have total<br />
freedom and he would get back to<br />
the Moe Koffman Quintet. He<br />
sold his house that he had lived in<br />
for 28 years and moved up to his<br />
beautiful home near Mansfield<br />
and I think the move was<br />
stressful-- to get out of a house<br />
where you have lived for 28<br />
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Workshop<br />
At this point Guido illustrated<br />
what he was saying by singing a<br />
phrase. Unfortunately, the<br />
limitations of print deny the<br />
. reader this pleasure.<br />
GB: Now, if you write that in 121<br />
8 it confuses the living daylights<br />
out of me, but if you writ~ it in<br />
straight 4/4 and give me a bunch<br />
of eighth notes, I'll make them<br />
roll. Know what I mean? And so<br />
that is the difference conceptually<br />
of getting a bunch of jazzoriented<br />
musicians to play music<br />
that's written in 4/4 and straight<br />
eighth notes, they'll make<br />
it work. But we've been caught<br />
sometimes where we'd get a<br />
chart from some singer who's<br />
been touring and doing concerts<br />
with symphony orchestras. Well,<br />
they've figured, 'Well, we want<br />
it to swing, so we're going to<br />
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