38these issues have not yet even been adequately discussed. Many of these issuesstrike at the heart of beliefs and values that are inherent in the human condition.What does it mean to be an individual? How should we view our parents, brothers,sisters, and children? How does the world around us influence our intellectual, physicaland spiritual development? These are just a few of the questions raised byhuman cloning. In my view, reproductive cloning would devalue human beings bydepriving them of their own uniqueness.To allow human reproductive cloning without a full and fair discussion of theseand other moral issues would be irresponsible. Worse yet, it could lead to a backlashthat would stifle the numerous beneficial applications of therapeutic cloning technology—someof which I have described today—that could lead to cures and treatmentsfor some of our most deadly and disabling diseases.ConclusionMr. Chairman, human reproductive cloning remains unsafe. Moreover, the ethicalissues it raises have not been fully debated throughout our society. Therefore, thevoluntary moratorium on human reproductive cloning should remain in place andno federal funds should be used for human reproductive cloning.Thank you. I’d be happy to answer any questions.Mr. GREENWOOD. Thank you, Dr. Okarma for your testimony.Dr. Westhusin, you’re recognized for 5 minutes.STATEMENT OF MARK E. WESTHUSINMr. WESTHUSIN. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity tocome here and visit about this issue. I start off by saying that I’mcurrently an Associate Professor at Texas A&M University and I’vebeen working with animal cloning since 1987, so I’ve literally beeninvolved with tens of thousands of nuclear transfer procedures andexperiments in science that related to nuclear transfer and cloningall the way ranging from just studying and trying to understanddevelopmental biology all the way up to actually producing live animals.There are really just three points that I want to focus on. A lotof us know the benefits from cloning animals and therapeuticcloning of humans, but there are three points that really I wouldlike to focus on. One is basically just the risks that are involvedwith cloning even animals that we have to deal with today. AndI’ll give you some examples of some data. I’d also like to talk a littlebit about this idea that you could potentially screen for embryosor fetuses and pick out those that were abnormal and abort those.And then finally, I just might make a few comments on some ethicalconcerns.But what I wanted to do is part is I’m just going to read frommy testimony.Although animals can be cloned by nuclear transfer using somaticcells as nucleus donors, the efficiency is still extremely low.In cattle where the majority of the work has been completed, problemswith early embryonic development do not seem to be a factoraffecting development. Material recognition is not a factor and infact, you can produce a reasonable pregnancy rate if you go checkanimals at 35 days of gestation. The problem is that after 35 daysof gestation or during the first trimester, approximately 90 percentof the pregnancies are lost or abort.The most common developmental malformation observed to dateis just problems with the placental development which leads to allkinds of other problems that include developmental abnormalitiessuch as immature lungs, cardiovascular disease, pulmonary hypertensionand a number of things that we’ve, in fact, documented.VerDate 11-MAY-2000 07:46 May 24, 2001 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00042 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6602 71495.TXT HCOM2 PsN: HCOM2
39I wanted to give you just some examples of just so you have anidea about the efficiency of this 4 or 5 different cases. In one case,we had a bull that we cloned that was 21 years old. We collectedcells. We produced 26 blastocysts from those, transferred those into11 recipients and got 6 pregnancies and o1 calf that went to term.When that calf went to term, we spent the first 2 to 3 weeks inintensive care with that calf, really trying to keep him alive. He developedalso Type 1 dependent diabetes which we don’t understandat all why that happened because you just don’t see that in cattleand he also had some immune problems.In a second case, we cloned a Charolais cow or attempted to dothat. To cut to the chase we transferred 37 embryos into 13 recipients.Six of there were diagnosed pregnant at 30 days. Only fourremained pregnant past 60 days. We got two calves, but both ofthem died, and died, obviously, due to complications related to thecloning.In another case, we had a Brangus cow that we worked on. Weproduced 43 embryos in that case where we transferred embryos.We produced only three pregnancies and none of those went toterm.And the point that I want to bring out with that, by giving yousome of these different examples, is that in not every case is everyanimal easily clonable. There are big differences between one animalmight work better than another, but in every case they seemedto show these abnormalities.I’m running out of time here, I’m sure, so I won’t talk about thelast part, but there’s just case after case of this.I wanted to show—these are just some slides that show thesekinds of things I’ve talked about, so this just shows the efficiencywhere it dropped of dramatically. This is the gestation loss that wesee between 30 and 90 days which is just horrendous and thenthese are some of the kinds of things that we see and so the topis the bull calf that we actually saved and he’s in ICU and he’s onrespirator just to keep him alive and in the lower right is obviouslyone that didn’t make it.I wanted to talk to you about, you know, the one on the lowerright and then relate it to those six clones. I guess one could almostthink about too, what’s going to happen if you get more than one?This is another one that I think was every interesting that westudied a group of 13 pregnancies that went into the third trimester.From these, only 8 calves were born alive. Four were stillborn.Three of the cows that actually were carrying the pregnanciesalso died within 7 days and then we ended up with actually sixcalves, but we had tremendous amount of loss.Now I want to, and these are just some examples, I wanted totalk about the aberrant plastintation so I’m running out of timehere and the different things that we see. But I wanted to bringthis up also and talk that there’d been some issues that one mightbe able to screen these embryos and really is not the case.We’re not going to be able to screen embryos for anything to tellwhether they’re abnormal or not. The reason is because if you lookat the karyotype, for instance, of cloned embryos, they all have normalkaryotypes and they have the normal number of genes. Theyalso have aberrant gene expression of various genes and we don’tVerDate 11-MAY-2000 07:46 May 24, 2001 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00043 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6602 71495.TXT HCOM2 PsN: HCOM2
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152John A. Robertson, University of