Horn-u-copia - Theory of design of trumpets and cornets?

Horn-u-copia - Theory of design of trumpets and cornets?Back to topkevinMajor ContributorOfflineTrumpets, cornets, flugeland alto horns, for now.Posts: 217Sylvan Lake, Alberta,CanadaGender:View Profile Email Email WWWRe: Theory of design of trumpets andcornets?Reply #27 - Sep 5 th , 2012 at 6:43pmQuote Modify Split Removehttp://www.cosmolearning.com/video-lectures/on-trumpet-mouthpiecesand-tone-part...This is worth watching, I'm sure some have seen this series of lectures butfor anyone who hasn't they are great fun and he makes it interesting. Onepoint he makes is that it's not only the mouthpiece and the instrument, butalso the mouthpiece and the player that makes the difference. Mouthpiecesare funny things. Only certain brass have them. As we know the Saxdoesn't. Mouthpieces bring some interesting things to an instrument butalso raise some difficult issues.Back to topView Profile Email Email Personal Message50.93.86.61kevinMajor ContributorOfflineTrumpets, cornets,flugeland alto horns, fornow.Posts: 217Sylvan Lake, Alberta,CanadaGender:Re: Theory of design of trumpets andcornets?Reply #28 - Yesterday at 10:22amQuote Modify Split RemoveNiner wrote on Sep 5 th , 2012 at 12:14pm:Certainly there are actual tone differences among a cornet and atrumpet and a flugelhorn ..... there must be a set of parameters thatmake a trumpet a trumpet and a cornet a cornet....As Kenton said, there "are" theoretically different parameters that guidethe design of this class but on close inspection of many examples of eachthese guidelines are known to be blurred and indefinite. The cornet issupposed to be more conical than the trumpet. Because there is generallymore length of tubing before the valves, the bells and stems flare morerapidly than on a trumpet.Within the same pitch, the length of tubing on all the crooks is the same orvery close. Flugels shouldn't be included in any comparison of trumpetsand cornets as they belong to a radically different branch of the family. Themodern flugel is more often than not a soprano saxhorn. The originalflugels are scarcely seen today. The French call them Bugles and theItalians the Soprano Flicorno. There is clearly as much confusion in thisfamily of instruments as there is between the trumpet and cornet. At onelevel, the business of design and the instruments themselves representmore a matter of "intent" than anything else. The slight variations in detail,the different mouthpieces and shanks, the expectations of the players andaudience and the differing styles of music all go together to maintain thissupposed divide between the two. The complaint for many years in the mid20th century was that the cornet was being designed to sound more andmore like a trumpet and from the trumpet school, the trumpets werebeginning to sound more and more like cornets. In fact both instrumentswere bowing to public taste and musical fashion and were to a large extentmerging toward one another. There is a joke that says "in the battlebetween the trumpet and the cornet, the cornet won." Trumpet playershate that sort of talk, but in fact, neither won. Both instruments haveevolved along the same lines.If we look at an old Boston 5 star or a Lyon & Healy "Own Make" or justfile:///L|/Temp/Horn-u-copia%20-%20Theory%20of%20design%20of%20trumpets%20and%20cornets2%20.htm[9/7/2012 12:29:17 PM]