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CONFLICT TRANSFORMATION INITIATIVELoyalism <strong>in</strong> Transition: 2<strong>Learn<strong>in</strong>g</strong> <strong>from</strong> <strong>others</strong><strong>in</strong> <strong>conflict</strong>Report of an <strong>in</strong>ternational workshopcompiled byMichael HallISLAND80PAMPHLETS1


Published February 2007Island Publications / Farset Community Th<strong>in</strong>k Tanks Project638 Spr<strong>in</strong>gfield Road, Belfast BT12 7DY© Michael Hall 2007mikeohall@hotmail.comISBN 978 1 899510 72 6This publication has been funded by<strong>in</strong>dependent donors <strong>from</strong> the private sector“The world we have made as a result of the level ofth<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g we have done thus far creates problems wecannot solve at the level of th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g which created them.”Albert E<strong>in</strong>ste<strong>in</strong>The above quote was utilised, extremely effectively, <strong>in</strong> a presentationmade to the workshop by Tommy Andrews of the RESPECT project.Tommy is an ex-UDA prisoner who participated <strong>in</strong> the Loyalist blanketprotest and who now works <strong>in</strong> deprived communities throughout theUnited K<strong>in</strong>gdom and across the world.Other challeng<strong>in</strong>g presentations were made by Tim Chapman (also <strong>from</strong>RESPECT), Jeff Maxwell (NIACRO), Roy Wallace of the Breen Farm MediaProject, and Dr Jim McCauley University of Huddersfield.Cover photographsFront: top left: Northern Ireland; top right: Palest<strong>in</strong>e; bottom: Palest<strong>in</strong>eBack: top left: Moldova/Transdniestria; top right: Israel; bottom: Northern Ireland.The Northern Ireland photographs are copyright www.pacemakerpress<strong>in</strong>tl.comEfforts to trace any copyright on other photographs were unsuccessfulPr<strong>in</strong>ted by Regency Press, Belfast2


IntroductionIn 2005 Northern Ireland’s largest Loyalist paramilitary organisation, the UlsterDefence Association, engaged <strong>in</strong> an extensive consultation process with its rankand file. Consensus feel<strong>in</strong>g was that the organisation should play its part <strong>in</strong>transform<strong>in</strong>g Loyalism and help<strong>in</strong>g to create a more stable and peaceful society.The UDA leadership asked its political advisors, the Ulster Political ResearchGroup (UPRG) to design a process which would facilitate such a development.From this the Conflict Transformation Initiative (CTI) emerged 1 , and approacheswere made to government, seek<strong>in</strong>g support for the process they had identified.The UDA/UPRG then requested assistance <strong>from</strong> a number of <strong>in</strong>dividualswho had an established track record <strong>in</strong> grassroots community work, much of itbridg<strong>in</strong>g the ‘sectarian divide’. Jackie Hewitt and Barney McCaughey, Managerand President respectively of the Farset project, were asked if Farset wouldadm<strong>in</strong>ister whatever fund<strong>in</strong>g was provided for the CTI, and this was agreed. Iwas approached because my Community Th<strong>in</strong>k Tanks Project, with its associatedpamphlet series, was seen as an ideal way of engag<strong>in</strong>g UDA members – and,<strong>in</strong>deed, the wider society – <strong>in</strong> a challeng<strong>in</strong>g and open debate around the pert<strong>in</strong>entissues <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> such a process of transition. Joe Camplisson, a specialist <strong>in</strong>community development and <strong>conflict</strong> resolution, who had worked with theUDA leadership <strong>from</strong> the 1970s, was asked to provide tra<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g to the keyworkers who would be employed with<strong>in</strong> the <strong>in</strong>itiative.As part of his approach, Camplisson <strong>in</strong>corporates <strong>in</strong>teraction with communityactivists <strong>from</strong> other arenas of <strong>conflict</strong>. In 1991 he helped establish a communitydevelopment and <strong>conflict</strong> resolution process <strong>in</strong> Moldova 2 (which is <strong>in</strong> <strong>conflict</strong>with its breakaway region of Transdniestria). This work attracted the <strong>in</strong>terest ofa group of Israelis and Palest<strong>in</strong>ians 3 who are seek<strong>in</strong>g to implement a <strong>conflict</strong>resolution process <strong>in</strong> their own region. Follow<strong>in</strong>g a request <strong>from</strong> the UPRG itwas agreed to br<strong>in</strong>g together activists <strong>from</strong> these two <strong>conflict</strong>s and UDA membersfor what was hoped would be a productive exchange of views and experiences.What followed was an 8-day ‘International Foundation Workshop’ (<strong>in</strong>volv<strong>in</strong>gover 60 participants) which took place <strong>in</strong> Belfast between 8–15 October 2006,and this document is an edited account of the proceed<strong>in</strong>gs. Unfortunately,Camplisson underwent a triple bypass heart operation two weeks before theconference and could only play the role of occasional observer dur<strong>in</strong>g the event.Michael Hall, Farset Community Th<strong>in</strong>k Tanks Project3


ParticipantsULSTER DEFENCE ASSOCIATION INNER COUNCILULSTER POLITICAL RESEARCH GROUPJohn Bunt<strong>in</strong>g, Sammy Duddy, Frankie Gallagher, Col<strong>in</strong> Halliday, BillyMcQuiston and David NichollUDA LOCAL LEVEL LEADERSHIP AND RANK AND FILEMOLDOVA/TRANSDNIESTRIAMembers of the Jo<strong>in</strong>t Committee for Democratisation and Conciliation (JCDC):Yuri Ataman (Moldova) agronomist, former mayor’s aideEvghenii Berdnikov (Transdniestria) cement works director, former CommunistParty First Secretary of town RybnitsaValent<strong>in</strong> Romanchiuk (Transdniestria) lawyer; mayor’s aide, Bender (a city <strong>in</strong>Transdniestria under two jurisdictions)Svetlana Baldencova (Moldova) scientistISRAELMembers of the Young Israeli Forum for Cooperation (YIFC):Ofer Zalzberg Co-Chairman of the BoardNimrod Goren Executive DirectorDror Kraus Project ManagerPALESTINEThree members of Palest<strong>in</strong>ian VisionFACILITATORSDiana Francis Chair, Committee for Conflict Transformation and Support,LondonPaul Clifford Committee for Conflict Transformation and SupportIan Bell MICOM and ex-Charities Aid FoundationLord Hylton Member of the House of Lords, President of NIACROBarney McCaughey President of FarsetNote: To identify to the reader which category of participant is be<strong>in</strong>g quoted <strong>in</strong> the narrative, but atthe same time to allow for some anonymity, the follow<strong>in</strong>g abbreviations precede the quotes:[Council] a member of the UDA’s rul<strong>in</strong>g Inner Council[UPRG] a member of the Ulster Political Research Group[UDA] one of the other UDA members present[Mol/Trans] a member of the JCDC <strong>from</strong> Moldova and Transdniestria[Isr]a member of YIFC, Israel[Pal] a member of Palest<strong>in</strong>ian Vision[Facil] a member of the facilitation team4


International foundation workshopLord Hylton opened the workshop. Centred as it was around the UDA’s ConflictTransformation Initiative, he said that it was evident that certa<strong>in</strong> members ofthe UPRG and the UDA had had the courage and the vision to <strong>in</strong>itiate thissearch for a new and peaceful way forward for the Loyalist community, someth<strong>in</strong>gwhich was to be greatly welcomed. He urged rank and file members of the UDAto do all that they could to make this new vision a reality. Lord Hylton expressedthe hope that, once any public scepticism was overcome, there would be apositive response <strong>from</strong> those com<strong>in</strong>g <strong>from</strong> the Nationalist and Republican traditions.He felt certa<strong>in</strong> that the majority of people <strong>in</strong> Northern Ireland did not wish theirchildren to live forever <strong>in</strong> a divided society. He praised the efforts of JoeCamplisson, who had endeavoured to engage constructively with the Loyalistcommunity s<strong>in</strong>ce the early 1970s. He commended the Farset Project, not onlyfor its many years of patient work but for provid<strong>in</strong>g such an excellent venue forthe workshop. He then welcomed the <strong>in</strong>ternational participants: <strong>from</strong> Moldovaand Transdniestria, and <strong>from</strong> Palest<strong>in</strong>e and Israel. Lord Hylton noted the manyyears of productive engagement between Northern Ireland and Moldova, andwelcomed the fact that this l<strong>in</strong>kage had now broadened to encompass thoseattempt<strong>in</strong>g to address the Israeli/Palest<strong>in</strong>ian <strong>conflict</strong>. F<strong>in</strong>ally, he welcomed thefacilitators. In summary, he expressed a hope that not only would the week’swork prove successful <strong>in</strong> assist<strong>in</strong>g the UDA to progress <strong>from</strong> where it was nowto where it clearly wished to be, but that the exchange of experiences with the<strong>in</strong>ternational visitors would help the organisation along that path, as well asprove of value to the visitors themselves.Nom<strong>in</strong>ated spokespersons then gave a brief <strong>in</strong>troduction to the ten groupspresent: the UDA Inner Council, the UPRG, the five ma<strong>in</strong> UDA brigade areas,the Moldovans/Transdniestrians, the Israelis/Palest<strong>in</strong>ians and the facilitators:[Council] The Ulster 4 Defence Association was formed by people who, whenthe ‘Troubles’ 5 broke out, were determ<strong>in</strong>ed to oppose what was happen<strong>in</strong>g totheir communities and their country. We started off as vigilante groups, try<strong>in</strong>gto protect our communities <strong>from</strong> attack. Then these groups came together underone structure. It was purely a defence organisation <strong>in</strong> the early days, but as IRAatrocities got worse we believed that the best way to defend was to attack, torespond to what was happen<strong>in</strong>g to our areas by giv<strong>in</strong>g the same back to thepeople who were giv<strong>in</strong>g it to us. Out of this ongo<strong>in</strong>g <strong>conflict</strong> the Ulster FreedomFighters (UFF) were born. Many of the people here today have served life <strong>in</strong>prison, and I am proud to be here represent<strong>in</strong>g them. Where do we hope to go?We hope to make Northern Ireland a better place. As Lord Hylton said, we5


don’t want our children and our grandchildren go<strong>in</strong>g through all the th<strong>in</strong>gs thatwe have suffered. We want this society to change and become a better place, butwe need to play a part <strong>in</strong> mak<strong>in</strong>g that happen. And we certa<strong>in</strong>ly don’t want S<strong>in</strong>nFé<strong>in</strong>/IRA tell<strong>in</strong>g us what our future is go<strong>in</strong>g to be. We fought the IRA whenthey tried to destroy this country, tried to take away our identity, and we willstill fight them. But it will be <strong>in</strong> a differentway, not on the battlefield but through theforce of our arguments. I would like towelcome you all here; hopefully by theend of the week we’ll know a lot moreabout how to make th<strong>in</strong>gs better.[UPRG] The UPRG is composed of exprisonersand those who have had firsthandexperience of the <strong>conflict</strong>, <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>gmyself: the first UDR soldier to be murderedWe fought the IRA when theytried to destroy this country,tried to take away our identity,and we will still fight them. Butit will be <strong>in</strong> a different way, noton the battlefield but throughthe force of our arguments.by the Provisional IRA was a cous<strong>in</strong> of m<strong>in</strong>e, and two weeks later anothercous<strong>in</strong>, a n<strong>in</strong>e-month-old baby, was blown out of its pram across AbercornSquare <strong>in</strong> Strabane after the IRA left a suitcase bomb at a bus-stop. My ownhome was bombed <strong>in</strong> 1987, two weeks prior to the murder of John McMichael.Indeed, every time our organisation has tried to go down a political path, ourleadership has been assass<strong>in</strong>ated by either Crown forces collud<strong>in</strong>g with theProvisionals, the IRA themselves, or sometimes by crim<strong>in</strong>als with<strong>in</strong> our ownorganisation. We all support the Union, because we are part of the Britishfamily of nations, but I personally believe that the people of Ulster have theright to self-determ<strong>in</strong>e their own future, separate <strong>from</strong> England, separate <strong>from</strong>the Republic, but hav<strong>in</strong>g good work<strong>in</strong>g relations with both. The Good FridayAgreement 6 does not recognise our identity as a people. It allows for only twooptions: the unification of Ireland by consent, or a cont<strong>in</strong>uation of the Union; itdoes not give us the right to determ<strong>in</strong>e our own future. Dur<strong>in</strong>g the Troubles over2000 Protestants or Unionists were murdered by Republicans, and 40,000 peoplebelong<strong>in</strong>g to our community have been maimed or left traumatised.The spokespersons represent<strong>in</strong>g the five UDA Brigade areas revealed <strong>in</strong> theirpresentations that, despite their geographical spread, they shared many similarities.Many had direct personal experience of the <strong>conflict</strong> – with family members orfriends be<strong>in</strong>g killed by the IRA or other Republicans – and most of them hadspent time <strong>in</strong> jail as a result of their <strong>in</strong>volvement. Some of them lived close to<strong>conflict</strong> <strong>in</strong>terfaces and recalled the sense of always be<strong>in</strong>g under siege. Most,while accept<strong>in</strong>g the reality of the IRA ceasefire, felt that dissident Republicangroups still posed a danger to future stability. However, no-one wanted areturn to war; their desire was for a just, peaceful and <strong>in</strong>clusive society. Theyall hoped, therefore, that the week’s work would help to develop the UDA’sstrategy for mov<strong>in</strong>g forward. There was also a frustration at the negative way6


their organisation was constantly portrayed by the media. They had all jo<strong>in</strong>edthe UDA largely because they felt that the government was fail<strong>in</strong>g to protecttheir communities and their right to rema<strong>in</strong> citizens of the United K<strong>in</strong>gdom.They were eager to hear the experiences of those <strong>from</strong> other <strong>conflict</strong>s. Somewere scath<strong>in</strong>g of the ma<strong>in</strong>stream Unionist leadership, as one person commented:[UDA] I got fed up with Unionist politicians mak<strong>in</strong>g blood-curdl<strong>in</strong>g speechestell<strong>in</strong>g people that ‘Ulster is right and Ulster will fight’, but yet when youngmen had the courage and conviction to engage <strong>in</strong> that fight, they were condemned,and when they went <strong>in</strong>to prison no Unionist politician wanted to have anyth<strong>in</strong>gto do with them.[Mol/Trans] I am chairman of the JCDC, an NGO [non-governmental organisation]<strong>from</strong> the Republic of Moldova, which was part of the former Soviet Union.With the dis<strong>in</strong>tegration of the Soviet Union, <strong>in</strong>ternal <strong>conflict</strong> with<strong>in</strong> Moldovaled, <strong>in</strong> 1991, to the creation of a breakaway region: Transdniestria (the territoryly<strong>in</strong>g east of the River Dniester), which today has all the structures of a realstate but is unrecognised by the <strong>in</strong>ternational community. Moldova was a multiethniccountry, composed not only of Moldovans, but Russians, Ukra<strong>in</strong>ians and<strong>others</strong>. Initially, the <strong>conflict</strong> was basedaround ethnic l<strong>in</strong>es, which was verystrange for us because up until then allcultures had lived together withoutproblems, and <strong>in</strong>termarriage was verycommon and acceptable. Ourorganisation – which is composed ofpeople <strong>from</strong> both Moldova andTransdniestria – was established <strong>in</strong> 1992with the help of people <strong>from</strong> yourcountry. 4 Over the years we havemanaged to br<strong>in</strong>g together people <strong>from</strong> both sides of our <strong>conflict</strong>, and we havealso managed to work at different levels: <strong>from</strong> village level right up to governmentlevel. We are try<strong>in</strong>g to br<strong>in</strong>g these levels together, to create movement towards<strong>conflict</strong> resolution. My colleagues have very different backgrounds. Evghenii<strong>in</strong> Soviet times was a mayor of a town <strong>in</strong> Transdniestria, a regional FirstSecretary <strong>in</strong> the Communist Party and a former tank commander. Valent<strong>in</strong> is alawyer and was a combatant dur<strong>in</strong>g the <strong>conflict</strong>, fight<strong>in</strong>g on the Transdniestrianside. Svetlana is a physicist but because of the <strong>conflict</strong> and difficult transitionperiod the economy has collapsed, so she has had to f<strong>in</strong>d another job. We arehere to share our experiences with you and the Israelis and Palest<strong>in</strong>ians, andalso to learn, and we hope this will be a fruitful event.[Isr] We are mostly <strong>from</strong> Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. We have all served <strong>in</strong> theIsraeli Defence Forces for three years as reservists. We all studied at universitylater and today we are all lead<strong>in</strong>g volunteers <strong>in</strong> the YIFC, Young Israeli Forum7I got fed up with Unionistpoliticians mak<strong>in</strong>g blood-curdl<strong>in</strong>gspeeches tell<strong>in</strong>g people that ‘Ulsteris right and Ulster will fight’, butyet when young men had thecourage and conviction to engage<strong>in</strong> that fight, they were condemned.


for Cooperation, which is an Israeli NGO work<strong>in</strong>g to empower young people, toovercome what we feel is <strong>in</strong>adequate political leadership <strong>in</strong> our society. Wework on various activities with our Palest<strong>in</strong>ian partners, aimed at br<strong>in</strong>g<strong>in</strong>g anend to the <strong>conflict</strong>. We also work to improve Israeli-European relations, whichis very important to us. Through our military service and the experiences whichcame with it, we have had friends and acqua<strong>in</strong>tances killed or <strong>in</strong>jured, and, likemany Israeli citizens, we have all experienced the fear of terrorism.[Pal] We all come <strong>from</strong> Palest<strong>in</strong>e. Dur<strong>in</strong>g our <strong>conflict</strong> thousands of people havebeen killed and many thousands have been put <strong>in</strong> jail. We suffer daily thepresence of the Israeli forces. We are constantly oppressed. We want to helpcreate a new Palest<strong>in</strong>ian leadership. Why arewe sitt<strong>in</strong>g down here with Israelis? If you dealwith your enemy directly, speak with him, evenlaugh with him, sometimes you get sight of theth<strong>in</strong>gs you have <strong>in</strong> common. At the end of thisweek we hope that we can learn <strong>from</strong> you andabout your <strong>conflict</strong>, just as we hope that youlearn more about our <strong>conflict</strong>, our suffer<strong>in</strong>g andour hope. We all want to live <strong>in</strong> peace someday. I thank the organisers, and I have learnedthat it helps when you ask for help.Why are we sitt<strong>in</strong>g downhere with Israelis? If youdeal with your enemydirectly, speak with him,even laugh with him,sometimes you get sight ofthe th<strong>in</strong>gs you have <strong>in</strong>common.[Facil] All of us have been <strong>in</strong>volved with <strong>conflict</strong> resolution work <strong>in</strong> differenttheatres: Africa, Asia, the Caucasus, the Balkans and Northern Ireland. Wecome <strong>from</strong> different organisations. What we would like to get out of this weekis a better understand<strong>in</strong>g of a less well-known position with<strong>in</strong> this society. Wewant to help you f<strong>in</strong>d practical ways of flesh<strong>in</strong>g out your vision for the future.A panel was then assembled, represent<strong>in</strong>g the UDA Inner Council and UPRG.[UPRG] Welcome to our friends <strong>from</strong> abroad and to our own comrades <strong>from</strong> thedifferent areas. The Ulster Defence Association has been <strong>in</strong> existence 35 years,and has encountered many problems over those years. One was the government’spolicy of crim<strong>in</strong>alisation, which I believe was part of a counter-<strong>in</strong>surgencytechnique to underm<strong>in</strong>e us. But it was made easier by people with<strong>in</strong> our rankswho were more ak<strong>in</strong> to crim<strong>in</strong>als than people whose ma<strong>in</strong> concern was for theircommunity and their country. When the Good Friday Agreement was signedthere were times when our organisation didn’t know whether we were <strong>in</strong> thepeace process or out of it. It was followed by a number of <strong>in</strong>ternal feuds which<strong>in</strong>flicted terrible pa<strong>in</strong> and suffer<strong>in</strong>g on our community, and some people losttheir lives. But we have learnt <strong>from</strong> these <strong>in</strong>ternal <strong>conflict</strong>s, and this wasrevealed recently when certa<strong>in</strong> so-called ‘leaders’ who were heavily <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong>drugs and crime were removed peacefully – by people us<strong>in</strong>g their bra<strong>in</strong>s <strong>in</strong>steadof guns. The current transition of the UDA has been open and transparent,8


allow<strong>in</strong>g the public to see that our organisation is deal<strong>in</strong>g with crim<strong>in</strong>ality.In 2005, an extensive process of consultation with the UDA’s rank and filemembership took place, right across Northern Ireland. Members were consultedabout what they thought the organisation should do, how we could move <strong>in</strong>tothe future, and what should be done about crim<strong>in</strong>ality. The booklet, A newreality?, summarises those consultations. 1 Follow<strong>in</strong>g this, the UDA’s rul<strong>in</strong>gInner Council <strong>in</strong>structed the UPRG to speak to government, to tell them that ourmembers wanted to move on but that we needed assistance to do so. Governmentat first was very sceptical but they f<strong>in</strong>ally engaged <strong>in</strong> a dialogue as to how wemight accomplish our transformation process. We said that we needed a vehiclewhich would move our community out of <strong>conflict</strong>, the same process which hadbeen made available to the Irish Republican community. To cut a long storyshort, we asked the British government to support a Conflict TransformationInitiative (CTI) which would last a m<strong>in</strong>imum of five years. The negotiationswere hard and protracted, but ultimately everybody agreed that the UDA neededthis support – all except one senior civil servant who said ‘No, you can’t havethis.’ More negotiations followed and we ended up with a proposal for a sixmonth‘<strong>in</strong>itial development stage’, which would allow us to f<strong>in</strong>d answers to thequestions the civil servants were pos<strong>in</strong>g. We reached agreement on this too, butthe same civil servant said: ‘No, I’m not sign<strong>in</strong>g that either.’ For almost onewhole year they had negotiated with us, tried to tire us out, tried to get us to goaway, and when that failed they still said ‘No’. So the Secretary of State forNorthern Ireland, Peter Ha<strong>in</strong>, who I th<strong>in</strong>k has been very brave, eventuallysigned it off as a political <strong>in</strong>struction, and it was agreed to release a smallamount of money to allow five project workersto carry out the <strong>in</strong>itial six months’ work. Theimportant th<strong>in</strong>g for us is not the small amountof fund<strong>in</strong>g we got, but the recognition by theBritish government that we were entitled to aprocess, the same as the Provisional IRA.So, we are at the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g of that <strong>in</strong>itialdevelopment stage which will help ourcommunities see (i) how we can reach a situationwhere there are no paramilitary organisationsFor almost one whole year[the civil servants] hadnegotiated with us, tried totire us out, tried to get us togo away, and when thatfailed they still said ‘No’.any more; (ii) how we can develop strategies based on job creation, socioeconomicregeneration, to make that environment possible; and (iii) how wecan skill up our people, our members, to learn how to work the strategies, andcreate this new environment. This workshop is aimed at help<strong>in</strong>g us develop andconsolidate these strategies.[UDA] What do you see as the biggest obstacles <strong>in</strong> the way of this process?[UPRG] In my view, the ma<strong>in</strong>stream Unionist parties. If the DUP lead adevolved government they will attempt to disempower us, by controll<strong>in</strong>g whatever9


fund<strong>in</strong>g will be com<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>to our communities. Unionist politicians are more<strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> ga<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g political benefit than <strong>in</strong> empower<strong>in</strong>g communities.[UDA] Would you not say that the march<strong>in</strong>g season 7 is go<strong>in</strong>g to be anotherobstacle? We can have people constantly work<strong>in</strong>g on the ground at the peacel<strong>in</strong>es,work<strong>in</strong>g towards creat<strong>in</strong>g a shared space, but they are cont<strong>in</strong>ually shafted bygovernment and the Parades Commission. 8 I th<strong>in</strong>k we urgently need to formulatesome sort of policy which helps us get by these major problems every year.[Council] I th<strong>in</strong>k what the British government hope is that when S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> aref<strong>in</strong>ally shar<strong>in</strong>g power <strong>in</strong> an Assembly they will turn around and say: ‘Where doyou want to march, son? Spr<strong>in</strong>gfield Road? Away you go. ’Cause we beat you.’[UDA] There are people sitt<strong>in</strong>g here who have been <strong>in</strong>volved on a local basisregard<strong>in</strong>g parades, and <strong>in</strong>volv<strong>in</strong>g cross-community dialogue. This year, despitesome very contentious parades, we had a quiet summer and that was recognisedright across Northern Ireland. We were the catalysts who got the parades issuesorted out on a general basis, and yet our contribution is ignored.[Council] There’s nobody work<strong>in</strong>g harder than the people <strong>in</strong> this room, try<strong>in</strong>g toresolve different issues. But nobody’s recognis<strong>in</strong>g it. Senior Unionist politiciansdon’t recognise either us or the work we do, yet three weeks before an electionthey’ll be com<strong>in</strong>g rapp<strong>in</strong>g doors and seek<strong>in</strong>g our votes, or seek<strong>in</strong>g our help tofacilitate some parade. And then we’re the good guys aga<strong>in</strong> – for a short time.When they don’t need us any more they put us back <strong>in</strong>to a hole <strong>in</strong> the ground.[UPRG] We deserve recognition notonly for the work we do at a locallevel, but as citizens of NorthernIreland. The British governmentviews us all as ‘Paddies’; we’re aproblem to them, and the quickerthey get rid of that problem, thehappier they’ll be. Irish Nationalistsand Republicans don’t recognise usas a people with a right to expressour culture. People are constantlyPeople are constantly try<strong>in</strong>g toassimilate us <strong>in</strong>to an IrishNationalist vision of the future,where we’re all Irish and everyth<strong>in</strong>gis rosy. The core of the problem isthat we are not recognised aspossess<strong>in</strong>g our own identity, andhav<strong>in</strong>g a right to express it.try<strong>in</strong>g to assimilate us <strong>in</strong>to an Irish Nationalist vision of the future, where we’reall Irish and everyth<strong>in</strong>g is rosy. The core of the problem is that we are notrecognised as possess<strong>in</strong>g our own identity, and hav<strong>in</strong>g a right to express it.[Council] Unfortunately, we have shot ourselves <strong>in</strong> the foot that many times.Certa<strong>in</strong> <strong>in</strong>dividuals who used to belong to the organisation destroyed our reputation,and left our organisation and Loyalism <strong>in</strong> general <strong>in</strong> the gutter. And what wehave to do is get it out of there and get it back to where it should be. And wehave to take that back <strong>from</strong> all the villa<strong>in</strong>s who have gone and the ones that’re10


still here. There has to be an honesty, and it has to start on our own side andthen the people on the other side can start to believe <strong>in</strong> that honesty.[Pal] I have two questions. Firstly, what practical th<strong>in</strong>gs do you want <strong>from</strong>Republicans to move towards peace? Secondly, you said that one of yourproblems was that your case is largely unknown, whereas the Irish side isknown all over the world. This is what I myself have found, and I want to knowwhy that is so?[UPRG] We want Republicans to recogniseour identity, which is reflected <strong>in</strong> the LoyalOrder parades, the Union flag, the Ulsterflag... everyth<strong>in</strong>g that gives expression toour identity as a people. The more they callfor the removal of those th<strong>in</strong>gs which signifymy identity the more threatened I feel. Andthe more threatened I feel, the more I wantto react to that threat, by <strong>conflict</strong>.[Council] Every ten years s<strong>in</strong>ce Partition 9 there has been an upsurge of violence<strong>from</strong> the Republican movement. In the late 1960s they hijacked the Civil Rightsprotests <strong>in</strong> order to pursue their goal of a United Ireland. They have murderedus, maimed us, tried to take away all that belonged to us. We want to be British,and for us to live <strong>in</strong> peace with them they would have to give up this demand fora United Ireland. If anyth<strong>in</strong>g, we should all be work<strong>in</strong>g for a United Ulster.[UPRG] I also th<strong>in</strong>k the Republican movement needs to be honest with itself,and with everyone else. For <strong>in</strong>stance, their paper, An Phoblacht, is published <strong>in</strong>three versions. There is a publication which is for local Irish consumption, thereis another version published <strong>in</strong> Europe which is left-w<strong>in</strong>g, and a third <strong>in</strong>America which is aimed at right-w<strong>in</strong>g Irish-Americans.[UPRG] I’ll give you an idea of their approach. A former member of the IRAwho is now a community worker was <strong>in</strong> this very build<strong>in</strong>g last night, and hethought he was speak<strong>in</strong>g to the Palest<strong>in</strong>ians only, so he was lay<strong>in</strong>g it on thickaga<strong>in</strong>st Israel, say<strong>in</strong>g what bad people the Israelis were. It was only afterwardsthat somebody said to him: ‘What were you do<strong>in</strong>g, there were Israelis <strong>in</strong> thatroom too?’ And he kicked up a row: ‘You should have told me that; I wouldhave said it differently!’ These people are will<strong>in</strong>g to tell lies when it suits them.[UPRG] As to why our voice wasn’t heard, I th<strong>in</strong>k there are different answers tothat. Republicans learned how to <strong>in</strong>ternationalise their version very early <strong>in</strong>tothe <strong>conflict</strong>, and they also emphasised with whoever they talked to, whetherleft-w<strong>in</strong>g socialists or right-w<strong>in</strong>g conservatives. As for us, we left it up to ourgovernment to tell our side of the story, but they completely failed to do that.[UPRG] The IRA’s biggest propaganda tool was their terrorism, which gave11The more they call for theremoval of those th<strong>in</strong>gswhich signify my identity themore threatened I feel. Andthe more threatened I feel,the more I want to react tothat threat, by <strong>conflict</strong>.


them <strong>in</strong>ternational headl<strong>in</strong>es, and they managed to conv<strong>in</strong>ce liberation movementsaround the world that they too were fight<strong>in</strong>g for ‘liberation’. But the <strong>in</strong>ternationalcommunity never knew that we were fight<strong>in</strong>g for our very survival as a peopleaga<strong>in</strong>st them. And when the US opened the White House to Gerry Adams it<strong>in</strong>ternationalised the <strong>conflict</strong> even further. It also taught al-Qa’eda that Brita<strong>in</strong>and the United States could be bombed but yet would eventually appeaseterrorism. And they got ‘9/11’ as a result.[Mol/Trans] Do you have any jo<strong>in</strong>t work go<strong>in</strong>g on between the two sides, or doyou see any prospects of that?[Council] Where we are [meet<strong>in</strong>g] now is on an <strong>in</strong>terface, which sees somecontentious parades. And there is dialogue at a local community level withsenior Republicans to get that parade passed over without <strong>in</strong>cident. We alsohave councillors who work with S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> <strong>in</strong> Belfast City Hall, as do all theUnionist parties; we work on a day-to-day basis on different issues. So, yes,there are people <strong>in</strong> North and West Belfast who have day and daily contact withRepublicans or who have met Republicans <strong>in</strong> the past. There is also a lot ofcommunity development work go<strong>in</strong>g on jo<strong>in</strong>tly <strong>in</strong>volv<strong>in</strong>g the two communities.[UDA] The Parades Commission themselves blew some of that work out of thewater with their decisions on the Whiterock parade. We are seek<strong>in</strong>g a stableroad here that is shared by both Nationalist and Loyalist people, and thosedecisions turned that whole effort upside down and put people at each other’sthroats. It knocked us back years <strong>in</strong> terms of the dialogue we were hav<strong>in</strong>g.[Pal] I am try<strong>in</strong>g to make a connection between your situation and our situation<strong>in</strong> Palest<strong>in</strong>e. You said that you wanted Irish Republicans to recognise youridentity, which is the same th<strong>in</strong>g we demand <strong>from</strong> Israel: that there is a nationof people liv<strong>in</strong>g alongside them whose rights they should recognise. Instead,they enter your house <strong>in</strong> the night, or they destroy it just because one wantedman happened to pass outside your door.They are putt<strong>in</strong>g checkpo<strong>in</strong>ts at theentrance to our cities, they are prevent<strong>in</strong>gus <strong>from</strong> mov<strong>in</strong>g <strong>from</strong> one area to another,they are prevent<strong>in</strong>g us <strong>from</strong> exercis<strong>in</strong>gthe simplest human rights <strong>in</strong> Palest<strong>in</strong>e.[UPRG] The situation <strong>in</strong> NorthernIreland is much more subtle. Becausethe violence has stopped it is hard toconv<strong>in</strong>ce people that there still rema<strong>in</strong>sYou said that you wanted IrishRepublicans to recognise youridentity, which is the same th<strong>in</strong>gwe demand <strong>from</strong> Israel: that thereis a nation of people liv<strong>in</strong>galongside them whose rights theyshould recognise.a major problem. We are be<strong>in</strong>g assimilated <strong>in</strong>to a culture that is alien to us, butit is all be<strong>in</strong>g done very slowly. But unless people are be<strong>in</strong>g killed nobodywants to listen to you; they th<strong>in</strong>k the problem has disappeared.12


[Isr] Is there a consensus regard<strong>in</strong>g the political solution you are look<strong>in</strong>g for?[UPRG] In the past, the UDA produced two major political documents. Onewas <strong>in</strong> 1978 called Beyond the Religious Divide, <strong>in</strong> which we advocated adevolved government based on power-shar<strong>in</strong>g and proportionality. Much ofthat was achieved <strong>in</strong> the Good Friday Agreement. We also called for a Bill ofRights which would protect the human rights of each <strong>in</strong>dividual and showrespect for each other’s cultures. We called for a written constitution; the UKhasn’t got a written constitution. We also advocated the sett<strong>in</strong>g up of North-South structures to develop economic benefit for all the people on this island,and we called for a British-Irishrelationship which would benefit thepeople of the two islands. All ofthat was there <strong>in</strong> our 1978 document.It has taken the Republicancommunity 28 additional years toreach the po<strong>in</strong>t we were at back then.In 1987 we produced Common Sense,which advocated the same th<strong>in</strong>gs.The Good Friday Agreement offersonly two choices: vote for a UnitedIreland, or stay with<strong>in</strong> the Union. Itneither offers, nor explores, otherchoices – such as <strong>in</strong>dependence –and we are say<strong>in</strong>g that we have to gobeyond consent, and address theroots of the <strong>conflict</strong>.[UPRG] Although we see the GoodFriday Agreement as provid<strong>in</strong>g thebasis of stable, shared government, we do have major problems with it. It viewsthe problem here <strong>in</strong> terms of a mathematical equation based on ‘consent’: if amajority of the electorate vote for a United Ireland then it can come <strong>in</strong>to be<strong>in</strong>g.Now, to outsiders, that might seem very fair, logical and democratic. But itfundamentally fails to address the roots of our <strong>conflict</strong>, which are based onidentity. The Good Friday Agreement offers only two choices: vote for a UnitedIreland, or stay with<strong>in</strong> the Union. It neither offers, nor explores, other choices –such as <strong>in</strong>dependence – and we believe that, if we are ever to reach a last<strong>in</strong>gsolution, we will have to go beyond consent and address the roots of the<strong>conflict</strong>. That <strong>conflict</strong> will not disappear just because of a mathematical headcount.So, what we’re say<strong>in</strong>g is that <strong>in</strong>stead of wait<strong>in</strong>g 15-20 years for another <strong>conflict</strong>to erupt – <strong>in</strong>itiated by Ulster Protestants not prepared to accept that, even by theballot box, their identity and culture should be swallowed up with<strong>in</strong> a UnitedIreland – we need to engage with the British Government, the Irish governmentand Europe, and get them to recognise that a much broader solution is required.Don’t wait until the <strong>in</strong>evitable <strong>conflict</strong> happens, let’s talk about it now.[UPRG] The IRA has also achieved a victory over the British military: theyhave demilitarised all the bases, they have got the Army out, they have got ridof the UDR and they have destroyed the RUC. They are now <strong>in</strong> the process ofdestroy<strong>in</strong>g the <strong>in</strong>telligence service. And when they eventually take control overthe security apparatus of the state they can use it aga<strong>in</strong>st people like us whomight want to resist change; they will use it to suppress our people further.13


[Isr] I am very impressed by the consultation process you have undertaken.What do you th<strong>in</strong>k will be your hardest tasks <strong>in</strong> its future phases?[UPRG] We don’t know the answer to that yet; we are just at the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g.Alongside the community development work which will be undertaken as partof the CTI, we plan an extensive process of debate with<strong>in</strong> our own organisation,but embrac<strong>in</strong>g the wider community. We will be runn<strong>in</strong>g a number of ‘Th<strong>in</strong>kTank’ discussions, and each will be described<strong>in</strong> a pamphlet, 5000 copies of which will bedistributed throughout our organisation. Youhave seen our first pamphlet, A new reality?which expla<strong>in</strong>s how we got to the presentstage. It will be followed by a report on thisworkshop. Then will come the first actual Th<strong>in</strong>kTank, on the theme Is the War really over?because we want to give our members theopportunity to express their views on this.The next is The state of the Protestantcommunity, which will be an exploration of the many problems fac<strong>in</strong>g ourcommunities: <strong>in</strong>terface tensions, drugs, crim<strong>in</strong>ality, socio-economic disadvantage,youth alienation. The next is A heritage under threat? which will be an explorationof the perceived threats to our identity. Then we <strong>in</strong>tend to ask the ma<strong>in</strong>streamUnionist parties to engage <strong>in</strong> a debate on the future of this society. From allthese discussions we hope to pull together A New Vision. F<strong>in</strong>ally – but only ifour membership is <strong>in</strong> agreement – for the last Th<strong>in</strong>k Tank we will be seek<strong>in</strong>g ARepublican/Nationalist response to what we are do<strong>in</strong>g. This will all take time.So, come back <strong>in</strong> 18 months and see how we got on.A panel was then formed by the Moldovan and Transdniestrian participants.[Mol/Trans] I would like to first of all congratulate people <strong>in</strong> Northern Irelandfor their successful movement towards peace. I was first here <strong>in</strong> 1993 at whichtime there were still checkpo<strong>in</strong>ts and other visible signs of <strong>conflict</strong>. But youhave moved a long way s<strong>in</strong>ce then and very soon I hope you will have thechance for even more stability and prosperity. As I said earlier, our own <strong>conflict</strong>started with the collapse of the Soviet Union. In Soviet times there had beenrestrictions placed on cultural expression, but now a Moldovan nationalistmovement began to assert itself. This <strong>in</strong> turn created tensions among othercultures who had been liv<strong>in</strong>g with<strong>in</strong> Moldova for generations, many of them <strong>in</strong>that part of Moldova ly<strong>in</strong>g east of the River Dniester (Transdniestria): Ukra<strong>in</strong>iansand Russians among them. These tensions were manipulated by political forcesand as a result Moldova entered <strong>in</strong>to a period of violent <strong>conflict</strong>. Although thiswas a short <strong>conflict</strong>, tanks and m<strong>in</strong>es were used, so it was a real civil war. Notonly were Russians, Moldovans and Ukra<strong>in</strong>ians fight<strong>in</strong>g one another, but, asour population is very mixed – practically every family has relatives on the14Alongside the communitydevelopment work whichwill be undertaken as partof the CTI, we plan anextensive process of debatewith<strong>in</strong> our ownorganisation, but embrac<strong>in</strong>gthe wider community.


‘other side’ – relatives were often fight<strong>in</strong>g relatives. Eventually a ceasefire wasagreed and a security zone – with the River Dniester as the divid<strong>in</strong>g l<strong>in</strong>e – wascreated between the two sides, manned by Moldovan, Transdniestrian andRussian forces (who still ma<strong>in</strong>ta<strong>in</strong>ed a presence <strong>in</strong> Transdniestria). After theceasefire an <strong>in</strong>ternational mediation process was <strong>in</strong>itiated. This failed and 15years after the <strong>conflict</strong> first broke out there has been no resolution to the statusof Transdniestria. Our organisation tries to create an environment where asolution can be found. People like us do not have the authority to resolve the<strong>conflict</strong> but we can hopefully create a more positive environment <strong>in</strong> whichpoliticians can start to resolve it. However, even the military people whocontrol the security zone compla<strong>in</strong> that they put <strong>in</strong> a lot of work to ma<strong>in</strong>ta<strong>in</strong>peace but the politicians fail to use this opportunity to reach agreement. Somepeople might say that there is no <strong>conflict</strong> <strong>in</strong> Moldova because there is nofight<strong>in</strong>g go<strong>in</strong>g on, but there is cont<strong>in</strong>ued division and the border betweenMoldova and Transdniestria is marked with checkpo<strong>in</strong>ts. Transdniestria haspractically all the formal structures of a state: its own parliament, its ownmilitary forces, and courts. As long as this problem rema<strong>in</strong>s unresolved theworse the economic conditions become, <strong>in</strong> both parts. In Soviet times Moldovaand Transdniestria had one economy, with different <strong>in</strong>dustries on either side,and now one side cannot function properly without the other. In our organisationwe explore issues which could br<strong>in</strong>g together people <strong>from</strong> all levels with<strong>in</strong>Moldova and Transdniestria. This gives us a chance to get ord<strong>in</strong>ary people <strong>in</strong>todiscussion with each other, and with their own government officials.[Mol/Trans] I am a Russian, born <strong>in</strong>Volgograd, formerly calledStal<strong>in</strong>grad. After I f<strong>in</strong>ished the armyI graduated as an eng<strong>in</strong>eer and waswork<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> Moldova. For me,Moldova then was like any otherpart of my motherland, it was a partof the Soviet Union. This was <strong>in</strong>1975. At that time I remember read<strong>in</strong>g<strong>in</strong> the newspapers about the problemsI remember read<strong>in</strong>g about theproblems <strong>in</strong> Northern Ireland butthought that this type of <strong>conflict</strong>could never happen to us. Suddenlywe too found ourselves <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> aviolent <strong>conflict</strong>, and <strong>in</strong> a short periodmore than 1000 had been killed.<strong>in</strong> Northern Ireland, and other places <strong>in</strong> the world, but we thought that this typeof <strong>conflict</strong> could never happen to us. Suddenly we too found ourselves <strong>in</strong>volved<strong>in</strong> a violent <strong>conflict</strong>, and <strong>in</strong> a short period more than 1000 people had beenkilled. Initially, it started by certa<strong>in</strong> groups of people rais<strong>in</strong>g tensions onnationalist issues. For example, Moldovan nationalists, whose language is basedon the Lat<strong>in</strong> alphabet, wanted to make it the compulsory state language, but thisthreatened those <strong>from</strong> a Russian and Ukra<strong>in</strong>ian background whose language isbased on the Cyrillic (Russian) alphabet. These tensions erupted while I was themayor of a town (<strong>in</strong> Transdniestria) of 100,000 people, and there were massiveprotest demonstrations. I appealed for people not to be violent, but to no avail.15


As well as the <strong>conflict</strong> between Moldova and Transdniestria, there are problems<strong>in</strong>side Transdniestria itself. For example, some 40% of those who live there areethnic Moldovans, who obviously want to teach their children <strong>in</strong> the Lat<strong>in</strong>alphabet, but the authorities <strong>in</strong> Transdniestria won’t allow this, and this hascreated problems. So both sides have tried toestablish an exclusiveness around cultural issues.I believe this is wrong. I believe that we shouldrespect the rights of all those people who areliv<strong>in</strong>g with<strong>in</strong> a state; all groups should be allowedto live <strong>in</strong> peace together and to develop as theywant. At the moment both sides want completevictory over the other.I believe that we shouldrespect the rights of allthose people who are liv<strong>in</strong>gwith<strong>in</strong> a state; all groupsshould be allowed to live <strong>in</strong>peace together and todevelop as they want.[Mol/Trans] I live <strong>in</strong> a town called Bender,which suffered the most <strong>from</strong> the <strong>conflict</strong>; it issituated on the River Dniester, which now divides Moldova <strong>from</strong> Transdniestria.I would like to mention one particular story. There was a period when bothsides were keep<strong>in</strong>g to their own positions but cont<strong>in</strong>ued to shoot over at eachother, kill<strong>in</strong>g a few people every day. As this seemed po<strong>in</strong>tless, I got <strong>in</strong> touch byradio with the commander on the other side and we arranged to meet on thebridge over the river. We agreed that we would ma<strong>in</strong>ta<strong>in</strong> our positions but thatno one would cont<strong>in</strong>ue to shoot. However, as <strong>in</strong> any <strong>conflict</strong>, there were peoplewish<strong>in</strong>g to fight, hot-heads who were not under control, so we agreed that ifshoot<strong>in</strong>g began then both sides would open fire at the place <strong>from</strong> where theshoot<strong>in</strong>g orig<strong>in</strong>ated! That put an end to the fight<strong>in</strong>g, and after that neither sidelost any people. Why do I tell you this story? Just to show that even <strong>in</strong> the mostdifficult situation it is always possible to f<strong>in</strong>d ways to talk with the other sideand f<strong>in</strong>d solutions. My personal observations is that for some people this k<strong>in</strong>dof war acts like a drug, and they cannot adapt to a peaceful life and want to fightaga<strong>in</strong>. Indeed, some went to fight <strong>in</strong> other places: Chechnya, Nagorno-Karabakhand Yugoslavia. Accord<strong>in</strong>g to what I know, most of them have been killed. Myfeel<strong>in</strong>g is that the sooner we stop fight<strong>in</strong>g, give up our arms and dissolve ourmilitary formations, the less chance there is for people to get addicted to thisdrug. It takes more courage to stop the fight<strong>in</strong>g than to cont<strong>in</strong>ue the war.[Mol/Trans] My mother is Moldovan and my father is Ukra<strong>in</strong>ian. His familyalways lived <strong>in</strong> Transdniestria, but I was born on the Moldovan side. We werevery worried when the <strong>conflict</strong> started because it separated us <strong>from</strong> our relativesand we didn’t know what was happen<strong>in</strong>g to them. And, quite apart <strong>from</strong> the<strong>in</strong>ternal <strong>conflict</strong>, there were also problems associated with the break-up of theSoviet Union: <strong>from</strong> be<strong>in</strong>g part of a large country with all its certa<strong>in</strong>ties we nowfound ourselves <strong>in</strong> a newly <strong>in</strong>dependent country with different structures. However,I believe people should not be afraid of such changes; they just have to f<strong>in</strong>d anew way to live under new arrangements. Certa<strong>in</strong>ly, as long as our identity is16


preserved and protected, we shouldn’t be afraid of structural change. YesterdayI saw part of the peacel<strong>in</strong>e which divides your communities. It is a sad th<strong>in</strong>g tosee. But for the sake of our children we always have to look for th<strong>in</strong>gs that weshare <strong>in</strong> common, th<strong>in</strong>gs which unite both sides. Our friends <strong>from</strong> NorthernIreland speak about of a lack of trust. In our organisation we are lucky to havethat trust, and I hope that you too will manage to establish this trust, <strong>in</strong> order toimplement your ideas – and always non-violently.[UDA] I take it if the <strong>in</strong>ternationalcommunity recognised Transdniestriait would help to stabilise your country?[Mol/Trans] Valent<strong>in</strong> th<strong>in</strong>ks it would,but Evghenii th<strong>in</strong>ks it would set a verybad precedent for the world because itwould <strong>in</strong> effect be condon<strong>in</strong>g thecreation of a state based not onnationality but on political ambition.[Facil] That was a very unified presentation. But, more importantly, the lastcomment reveals that people can work extremely well across the <strong>conflict</strong> divideand yet still reta<strong>in</strong> a diversity of op<strong>in</strong>ion.The Palest<strong>in</strong>ians and Israelis then made up a panel.[Pal] Although we are sitt<strong>in</strong>g up here together, we will not be giv<strong>in</strong>g a jo<strong>in</strong>tpresentation, as we represent totally different po<strong>in</strong>ts of view. Hopefully such ath<strong>in</strong>g might happen <strong>in</strong> the future. Before 1948 Palest<strong>in</strong>e was under a Britishmandate and dur<strong>in</strong>g that time Lord Balfour promised to give Jews ‘land withoutpeople to people without land’, which was a lie, because Palest<strong>in</strong>e at that timewas full of people. Dur<strong>in</strong>g the mandate, the British facilitated the immigrationof Jewish people to Palest<strong>in</strong>e and also provided them with weapons. On theother hand they prevented any k<strong>in</strong>d of Palest<strong>in</strong>ian resistance movement <strong>from</strong>acquir<strong>in</strong>g weapons or struggl<strong>in</strong>g aga<strong>in</strong>st either the British occupation or the<strong>in</strong>creas<strong>in</strong>g Jewish immigration. Then the Jewish people started to build settlements,and began to confiscate more and more land with the bless<strong>in</strong>g of the British.The newcomers destroyed 450 Palest<strong>in</strong>ian villages <strong>in</strong> order to force people toleave their homeland. In 1948 they established the Israeli state and hundreds ofthousands of refugee people went to live <strong>in</strong> Syria and Jordan. At present thereare more than five million Palest<strong>in</strong>ian people liv<strong>in</strong>g as refugees outside Palest<strong>in</strong>e.The new Israel state seized more than 40% of the land, the rest was underEgyptian and Jordanian control. In 1967 Jordan and Egypt and other countriestried to retake the land that was under Israeli authority but, unfortunately, as aresult of this war we lost all the land, and Palest<strong>in</strong>e became under total Israelioccupation. Senior refugee people formed the Palest<strong>in</strong>e Liberation Organisation,and they started their struggle on behalf of the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian people.17Yesterday I saw part of thepeacel<strong>in</strong>e which divides yourcommunities. It is a sad th<strong>in</strong>g tosee. But for the sake of ourchildren we always have to look forth<strong>in</strong>gs that we share <strong>in</strong> common,th<strong>in</strong>gs which unite both sides.


1987 saw the first upris<strong>in</strong>g; it was not an armed upris<strong>in</strong>g, but mostly youngpeople throw<strong>in</strong>g stones at Israeli jeeps. The Israelis respond<strong>in</strong>g by shoot<strong>in</strong>g<strong>in</strong>discrim<strong>in</strong>ately at women and children. In that same year Hamas was established.Hamas is one of the religious resistance movements and is on the rightist side ofpolitics <strong>in</strong> Palest<strong>in</strong>e. In 1993 the first peace agreement was signed <strong>in</strong> Oslo, withthe bless<strong>in</strong>g of the Americans. This agreement allowed for the formation of aPalest<strong>in</strong>ian Authority with control over Palest<strong>in</strong>ian areas, start<strong>in</strong>g with Gazaand Jericho. After five years the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian people were to have their own<strong>in</strong>dependent state, but, of course, this did not happen. Nevertheless, after Oslo,Palest<strong>in</strong>ians for the first time had control of their own m<strong>in</strong>istries, the healthsector, etc. Of course Israel was still controll<strong>in</strong>g everyth<strong>in</strong>g <strong>from</strong> a distance, and<strong>in</strong> our economy and every aspect of our life we are very dependant on Israel.Then, <strong>in</strong> 2000, Ariel Sharon, leader of the Likud Party, entered the Al-Aqsamosque – one of the most holy places for Muslims – <strong>in</strong> what was considered anattempt to provoke the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian people. This, as well as frustration with theOslo Agreement, led to a second upris<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> 2000, which this time <strong>in</strong>cludedarmed resistance. As a result, Israel reoccupied the whole area which she hadgiven to the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian Authority and so once aga<strong>in</strong> the whole of Palest<strong>in</strong>e wasunder Israeli occupation. The Palest<strong>in</strong>ian Authority still exists but <strong>in</strong> realityIsrael controls everyth<strong>in</strong>g. Dur<strong>in</strong>g the past six years alone we have had 3850people killed, 40,000 <strong>in</strong>jured, and 10,300 put <strong>in</strong>to Israeli jails. Israeli has alsostarted to build a wall, which separates Palest<strong>in</strong>ian <strong>from</strong> Palest<strong>in</strong>ian. There aresome gates for access, but it takes 3-4 hours to get through.At the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g of this year a majority of Palest<strong>in</strong>ians, because they felt thatOslo did not achieve anyth<strong>in</strong>g and that the Fatah political party, who had signedthat agreement, were corrupt, voted for Hamas. But because the world considersHamas a terrorist movement, vital aid to the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian Authority has been cutoff. The world is demand<strong>in</strong>g that this new government recognise Israel, and yetthe world doesn’t recognise our democratically-elected government. Right nowthere are more than 40 members of the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian parliament <strong>in</strong> Israeli jails. Iwant to make one f<strong>in</strong>al comment. It’s not easy for me to be <strong>in</strong> the same room asIsraelis, believe me. And it’s not easyfor me to talk to them and say th<strong>in</strong>gsto them. I have lost many friendsand many relations over the past sixyears. I will not forget, I will notforgive, but maybe one day we canachieve a comprehensive peace.[Isr] I could spend my ten m<strong>in</strong>utesrespond<strong>in</strong>g to what you have justheard. Instead, I will give you aIt’s not easy for me to be <strong>in</strong> the sameroom as Israelis. It’s not easy for meto talk to them. I have lost manyfriends and relations over the pastsix years. I will not forget, I will notforgive, but maybe one day we canachieve a comprehensive peace.personal view on developments <strong>in</strong> the Israeli-Palest<strong>in</strong>ian <strong>conflict</strong> and the waythese have been perceived by the Israeli public. I will beg<strong>in</strong> <strong>in</strong> 1987, with the18


first Palest<strong>in</strong>ian upris<strong>in</strong>g, the first Intifada, which <strong>in</strong> my eyes was a hugesuccess: by primitive means the Palest<strong>in</strong>ians made the whole world and theIsraelis understand that there was a problem which must be solved. This led tothe 1993 Oslo Agreement, the immediate results of which were tremendous andmost Israelis felt that the reconciliation process was reach<strong>in</strong>g the po<strong>in</strong>t of noreturn. You had the Israeli Army withdrawn <strong>from</strong> the cities; you had thePalest<strong>in</strong>ian police created and co-operat<strong>in</strong>g with Israel. You had an amaz<strong>in</strong>g<strong>in</strong>crease <strong>in</strong> tourism to both Israel and the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian Territories, and the start ofmajor f<strong>in</strong>ancial <strong>in</strong>vestment. The factthat atrocities still cont<strong>in</strong>ued didn’tchange the general belief <strong>in</strong> Israel thatth<strong>in</strong>gs were go<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> the right direction.Then you had suicide bomb<strong>in</strong>gs <strong>in</strong> busesand public places. Friends of m<strong>in</strong>e lostrelatives or were wounded, and therewas a fear of travell<strong>in</strong>g anywhere bybus. But somehow we went on believ<strong>in</strong>gthat everyth<strong>in</strong>g was go<strong>in</strong>g to be okay.I th<strong>in</strong>k this optimism ended <strong>in</strong> 2000, not because of Sharon’s visit to the Al-Aqsa mosque, but because of the failure of the second Camp David summit.Israel had negotiated with the only accepted leader of the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian population,Arafat, and he didn’t deliver. I believe this was a tragic turn<strong>in</strong>g po<strong>in</strong>t <strong>in</strong> thehistory of our <strong>conflict</strong> because disillusionment then set <strong>in</strong> and pretty mucheveryth<strong>in</strong>g collapsed. As a result, the second Intifada began, and, most recently,the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian elections were won by Hamas, an organisation which does notrecognise Israel’s right to exist.What opportunities were lost? Israel failed to negotiate with Arafat’s successor,Mahmoud Abbas, who <strong>in</strong> Israeli eyes has one big advantage over other Palest<strong>in</strong>ianleaders – his strong stand aga<strong>in</strong>st violence. On the other side, Palest<strong>in</strong>ians failedto respond to a unique Israeli <strong>in</strong>itiative – the unilateral withdrawal <strong>from</strong> theGaza Strip. Not a s<strong>in</strong>gle Israeli soldier or settler rema<strong>in</strong>ed and there was a returnto the 1967 border. And yet the only response we got <strong>from</strong> the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian sidewas Qassam rockets fired at towns <strong>in</strong> southern Israel. Where do we stand rightnow? For the last six years there has been total stagnation. At a governmentlevel noth<strong>in</strong>g has changed and <strong>in</strong> this k<strong>in</strong>d of <strong>conflict</strong> stagnation effectivelymeans go<strong>in</strong>g backwards. This is what drove me and <strong>others</strong> to jo<strong>in</strong> the <strong>in</strong>itiativewe represent today, because I believe this is the golden hour of people-topeople<strong>in</strong>itiatives; maybe we can establish a form of second-track diplomacy, totry and overcome the failure of the political leadership on both sides.[Isr] I would like to pick up <strong>from</strong> there, and talk about how civil society canreact vis-a-vis this <strong>conflict</strong>, and how we as an organisation are try<strong>in</strong>g to empowera new young leadership and are reach<strong>in</strong>g out to our Palest<strong>in</strong>ian partners and<strong>in</strong>ternational bodies <strong>in</strong> our efforts to resolve our <strong>conflict</strong>. We can see two k<strong>in</strong>ds19I believe this is the golden hour ofpeople-to-people <strong>in</strong>itiatives;maybe we can establish a form ofsecond-track diplomacy, to try andovercome the failure of thepolitical leadership on both sides.


of contexts <strong>in</strong> which ‘peace’ efforts can take place. There was the Oslo Agreementand the years of progress at governmental level. The people on the ground alsowanted to reach out and do th<strong>in</strong>gs together, and we felt that <strong>in</strong> do<strong>in</strong>g so we wereimplement<strong>in</strong>g the will of the government, act<strong>in</strong>g as grassroots agents for thosework<strong>in</strong>g at a higher level. There was a sense of co-operation. However, whenconfidence collapsed <strong>in</strong> 2000 all political l<strong>in</strong>ks broke down and as a consequencethe work of NGOs was also affected. Those who wanted to get together andcreate a new way forward were no longer work<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> partnership with thepolitical leaders. Indeed, Israeli society at the moment does not believe much <strong>in</strong>the process of peace. Many Israelis are conv<strong>in</strong>ced that there will always bePalest<strong>in</strong>ians – suicide bombers and <strong>others</strong> – who will oppose any chance forpeace. No matter how much we give they will always demand more. So, it is adifficult situation to work <strong>in</strong>, because we do not know what is possible. Israelisociety has a deep concern about security, and this underp<strong>in</strong>s many of thepolicies currently be<strong>in</strong>g implemented <strong>in</strong> the West Bank and Gaza.What our organisation, the YIFC, is try<strong>in</strong>g to do, <strong>in</strong> the absence of a politicalprocess, is to reach out to different groups with<strong>in</strong> our society to try and br<strong>in</strong>gthem <strong>in</strong>to the process. The belief is that if more and more people engage <strong>in</strong> suchwork, even when there has been a breakdown <strong>in</strong> the political process, there willbe a solid-enough basis not to let the situation deteriorate as much as before.We are work<strong>in</strong>g quite a lot at a young leadership level, with young professionalswho are <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> journalism, politics and numerous NGOs, anywhere theymight have <strong>in</strong>fluence. We try to encourage contacts with Europe, and we try toengage <strong>in</strong> <strong>in</strong>ternational activities. We also try to expose young Israelis to youngPalest<strong>in</strong>ians. We try to vision what that future might be like after any politicalagreement is signed, and create a jo<strong>in</strong>t post-<strong>conflict</strong> agenda, because the essentialsof a future settlement are already known:a two-state solution, agreement overJerusalem, a solution to the settlements.We need to encourage the acceptance of anew reality, where each society goesthrough a process of f<strong>in</strong>d<strong>in</strong>g its own identityand def<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g its needs, and then beg<strong>in</strong>swork<strong>in</strong>g out a jo<strong>in</strong>t vision for the future.There is one major difficulty. Israelis andPalest<strong>in</strong>ians live very close to each othergeographically, but we are far apartmentally. And also physically it is very hard for us to meet, both because ofsevere restrictions on movement, and the fear of go<strong>in</strong>g to each other’s places.[UDA] I thought both presentations were excellent and <strong>in</strong>spir<strong>in</strong>g, but what wasamaz<strong>in</strong>g was that you all sat at the same table to make those presentations. We<strong>in</strong> Northern Ireland are far beh<strong>in</strong>d <strong>in</strong> that. In the future, I don’t know when, wewill ultimately have to face our opponents politically, face-to-face.20We need to encourage theacceptance of a new reality,where each society goes througha process of f<strong>in</strong>d<strong>in</strong>g its ownidentity and def<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g its needs,and then beg<strong>in</strong>s work<strong>in</strong>g out ajo<strong>in</strong>t vision for the future.


[Pal] Can I say that the majority of Palest<strong>in</strong>ians would not f<strong>in</strong>d it acceptable tosit near your enemy around the same table. But maybe the young generation,those who are work<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> NGOs, can do so. I believe that we have to talk withthe other side, because we need peace. But for the majority of the Palest<strong>in</strong>ianpeople it is not acceptable, and I don’t dare to tell all my people back home thatI met here with Israeli people, otherwise theymight say I am a collaborator.[Council] What structure do your twoorganisations work under? Where do you meetone another?[Isr] We are two separate organisations. YIFC,among other th<strong>in</strong>gs, organises a series ofconferences, together with Palest<strong>in</strong>ian Visionand our European partners at dialogue lab.Each conference br<strong>in</strong>gs together 40 Israeli,Palest<strong>in</strong>ian and European young professionals, to discuss the EU role <strong>in</strong> the<strong>conflict</strong>. Participants create a jo<strong>in</strong>t vision and work <strong>in</strong> small groups on coreissues of the <strong>conflict</strong> – such as Jerusalem or the settlements – and try to identifyobstacles, <strong>in</strong>ternal contradictions with<strong>in</strong> each society, and strategy directionstowards <strong>conflict</strong> transformation. As for any jo<strong>in</strong>t work, most of the meet<strong>in</strong>gs wehave take place outside the country. Or <strong>in</strong> Jerusalem, the only place <strong>in</strong> thecountry where Palest<strong>in</strong>ians and Jews can meet on a regular basis.[UDA] What common ground have your two organisations found?[Isr] First of all, we have accepted that communication between both sides ispossible. Also, we agree that young people often have more positive attitudes,and can br<strong>in</strong>g new ideas, new concepts to a situation, and therefore should bemore <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> the search for solutions. Young people, on both sides, aredissatisfied with the old leadership, because of its failure to create peace. Someof our exist<strong>in</strong>g leaders have been there 30 or 40 years, and we feel there is aneed for a new, younger leadership, and to that end we try to identify whichyoung people might be most likely to affect changes <strong>in</strong> our respective societies.Our two organisations have also identified certa<strong>in</strong> activities which can bebeneficial, such as learn<strong>in</strong>g lessons <strong>from</strong> other religious, ethnic and political<strong>conflict</strong>s, through participation <strong>in</strong> workshops such as this one. We also try topursue concrete policy-oriented actions, such as open<strong>in</strong>g European higher educationmobility programmes for Israeli and Palest<strong>in</strong>ian students.[Pal] I th<strong>in</strong>k that the most important aspect of common ground between our twoorganisations is that we believe <strong>in</strong> non-violence. This is a very important th<strong>in</strong>g.Right now, <strong>in</strong> news coverage of Palest<strong>in</strong>e, the world sees pictures of armedpeople shoot<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>to the air so they assume that Palest<strong>in</strong>ians only believe <strong>in</strong>violence. They don’t realise that there is a huge debate go<strong>in</strong>g on with<strong>in</strong> the21The majority of Palest<strong>in</strong>ianswould not f<strong>in</strong>d it acceptableto sit near your enemyaround the same table. ButI believe that we have totalk with the other side,because we need peace.


Palest<strong>in</strong>ian community as to whether violence is right or wrong. From my po<strong>in</strong>tof view, as a human be<strong>in</strong>g, I am aga<strong>in</strong>st kill<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>nocent people <strong>from</strong> any side,anywhere. I can understand the reason why a young man, without a job, evicted<strong>from</strong> his house, hav<strong>in</strong>g maybe lost family members to Israeli violence, mightturn to violence, but to me it is not the solution.[UPRG] What was agreed at Oslo?What is still to be implemented?[Isr] I th<strong>in</strong>k you can say that basicallythe Oslo Agreement is dead. Everyth<strong>in</strong>gthat was agreed upon has beencancelled, with the exception of Gaza,but <strong>in</strong> the West Bank we are prettymuch back to the pre-Oslo situation.The idea of Oslo was an <strong>in</strong>terimagreement to allow for trust to be builtThey don’t realise that there is ahuge debate go<strong>in</strong>g on with<strong>in</strong> thePalest<strong>in</strong>ian community as towhether violence is right or wrong.From my po<strong>in</strong>t of view, as ahuman be<strong>in</strong>g, I am aga<strong>in</strong>st kill<strong>in</strong>g<strong>in</strong>nocent people <strong>from</strong> any side.up before tackl<strong>in</strong>g the major issues. It seemed logical at the time but it didn’twork out.[Pal] There was supposed to be a Palest<strong>in</strong>ian state after five years. Both sidesmade mistakes when implement<strong>in</strong>g the agreement. In my op<strong>in</strong>ion, the Palest<strong>in</strong>ianleaders didn’t make enough effort to prepare the Palest<strong>in</strong>ian people for peace,and for a new civil society.[UPRG] The DUP will make the same mistake, because they haven’t engagedthe Loyalist community, or brought <strong>in</strong> the resources for us to deal with a newcivil society, the way S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> has tried to do for the Nationalist community.[Pal] The Oslo Agreement mistake was that they postponed some of the issuesto further notice, to further negotiations, which I th<strong>in</strong>k was fatal. They postponedthe question of Jerusalem, or what to do with the five million refugees liv<strong>in</strong>goutside Palest<strong>in</strong>e, or the settlements, which s<strong>in</strong>ce Oslo have been <strong>in</strong>creas<strong>in</strong>gyear after year. My advice for any peace agreement here is not to postponeanyth<strong>in</strong>g; you have to solve everyth<strong>in</strong>g when you sign an agreement.[Isr] Follow<strong>in</strong>g Oslo a number of m<strong>in</strong>or issues were agreed. One was theopen<strong>in</strong>g of the <strong>in</strong>ternational airport <strong>in</strong> Gaza, the other was an <strong>in</strong>ternationalharbour and the third was a safe passage between Gaza and the West Bank, toallow Palest<strong>in</strong>ians to move between the two areas. Part of my job <strong>in</strong> the IsraeliM<strong>in</strong>istry of Internal Security was to act as personal assistant to the man responsiblefor the Israeli side of the official government negotiations regard<strong>in</strong>g this safepassage. It was very successful, and part of the key to the success of thosenegotiations was the very good personal chemistry which developed betweenthe two m<strong>in</strong>isters represent<strong>in</strong>g both sides. Now, the arrangement collapsedwhen Oslo failed but it revealed to me that agreement is possible.22


[Pal] Despite modern technology the Palest<strong>in</strong>ians are still us<strong>in</strong>g donkeys; weuse them to bypass the checkpo<strong>in</strong>ts. It is quicker than wait<strong>in</strong>g for hours.[UPRG] In all <strong>conflict</strong>s it is always poor people who are most affected.[UDA] In Northern Ireland we normally voted not for those we necessarilywanted <strong>in</strong>, but <strong>in</strong> order to keep someone else out. We voted through fear.[Pal] First and foremost we are all humanbe<strong>in</strong>gs, then there are th<strong>in</strong>gs which makeup our identity; <strong>in</strong> my case, which makeme feel Palest<strong>in</strong>ian. But when we feel underthreat we get deeper and deeper <strong>in</strong>to thoseseparate identities and forget what we shareas human be<strong>in</strong>gs. Many fears are real only<strong>in</strong> our imag<strong>in</strong>ation.When we feel under threat weget deeper and deeper <strong>in</strong>tothose separate identities andforget what we share ashuman be<strong>in</strong>gs. Many fears arereal only <strong>in</strong> our imag<strong>in</strong>ation.The facilitators later summarised the major themes of the first day’s proceed<strong>in</strong>gs:• Recognition is fundamental. Without recognition and parity of esteem, peaceis not possible.• A proper peace process is required, through which basic human needs haveto be met, and all ‘solutions’ must address the needs of all parties <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong>the <strong>conflict</strong>.• Partial or s<strong>in</strong>gle solutions are to be avoided. There must be alternativeoptions.• Processes and solutions have to be owned and driven by the ord<strong>in</strong>ary people.Empowerment is paramount.• It is essential to make the break <strong>from</strong> violence. Alternatives have to becreated.• We have to understand the importance of direct contact with the ‘other side’.There must be an acknowledgement of differences. There will be risks <strong>in</strong>volved.‘It takes more courage to end violence than to cont<strong>in</strong>ue with it.’• Admitt<strong>in</strong>g mistakes is important. It is difficult, but will w<strong>in</strong> respect and helpthe process of trust-build<strong>in</strong>g and mov<strong>in</strong>g on.The second day of the workshop began with a panel presentation by the UPRG[UPRG] Before I beg<strong>in</strong>, can I say that the motto of the UFF is Feriens tego,which means ‘attack to defend’. Over the 30 years of the Troubles the UDA/UFF brought one of the world’s most sophisticated terrorist organisations, theIRA, to a peace table, and without that effort there might not be a peace process.If we could harness that same energy and direct it <strong>in</strong>to what we want to do overthe next three to five years we could really make this work. Now, the CTI was adocument which tried to create a vehicle, and this vehicle was to help us move23


on. One of the th<strong>in</strong>gs we did not do, and were not authorised to do, was to talkabout decommission<strong>in</strong>g. We acknowledged, however, that as part of the politicalprocess we would encourage that all weapons be put beyond use. The documentbeg<strong>in</strong>s with a mission statement. It readsConflict Transformation Initiative: Loyalism <strong>in</strong> Transition is a new and<strong>in</strong>novative <strong>in</strong>itiative that will assist key Loyalist activists through a processof <strong>conflict</strong> resolution and community transformation and will ultimatelyenable Loyalism to emerge out of thirty-five years of <strong>conflict</strong> to play a fulland mean<strong>in</strong>gful role <strong>in</strong> a process of reconciliation.We want to play a role and we want to achieve reconciliation. We don’t believethat Republicans really want reconciliation, so we <strong>in</strong>tend to test them on it. TheCTI has four key aims: (1) to work with key stakeholders, as part of a neighbourhoodrenewal strategy, to identify and address issues prevent<strong>in</strong>g community cohesionand peace-build<strong>in</strong>g: (2) to equip people with the skills and knowledge to br<strong>in</strong>gabout an end to all paramilitary activities; (3) to equip people with the skills andknowledge to reduce crime and crim<strong>in</strong>ality <strong>in</strong> communities; and (4) to create anenabl<strong>in</strong>g environment where violence is no longer a viable or realistic optionand where all paramilitary weaponry is a th<strong>in</strong>g of the past. Now some of theabove word<strong>in</strong>g was what the civil servants wanted <strong>in</strong>cluded. Break<strong>in</strong>g it down<strong>in</strong>to our words, we wanted to address the causes of <strong>conflict</strong> and to play amean<strong>in</strong>gful role <strong>in</strong> the regeneration of our communities. And thereby create along and last<strong>in</strong>g peace. But to do all this needs adequate resources. If we get theresources, and we create the environment, then th<strong>in</strong>gs will def<strong>in</strong>itely happen. Ifwe don’t get the resources, then they won’t happen – it is as simple as that.Now, as we po<strong>in</strong>ted out yesterday, government wouldn’t go for the orig<strong>in</strong>alCTI plan we proposed until we had completed a 6-month <strong>in</strong>itial developmentstage. Farset have agreed to handle all the fund<strong>in</strong>g for us. So over the next sixmonths we will be look<strong>in</strong>g at questions such as: how do we create an environment,how we develop strategies that will help createthat environment, and how do we skill peopleup to be able to work those strategies? We aredo<strong>in</strong>g noth<strong>in</strong>g more technical than that, and therewill be no secret negotiations with the government,or promises that we’ll do this or we’ll do that;there’s no hidden choreography go<strong>in</strong>g on.There will be no secretnegotiations with thegovernment, or promisesthat we’ll do this or we’lldo that; there’s no hiddenchoreography go<strong>in</strong>g on.[UPRG] I th<strong>in</strong>k it’s imperative that we tell ourmembership where we are and how we got there.We need a vehicle that br<strong>in</strong>gs all our people along together, and this is what theCTI is. Some of you will have read a paper I wrote a few years ago entitled‘Who’s afraid of the IRA?’ And I have to tell you, folks: most of our membersare now afraid of the IRA. We weren’t afraid of them dur<strong>in</strong>g the fight<strong>in</strong>g but weare now afraid to move on to the next stage, to face the IRA where they are now,24


and that’s where we have to go. I also th<strong>in</strong>k we need a code of conduct to work<strong>from</strong>, and we need to get it out there. As long as we don’t have it, people willfeel they have a remit to do whatever they want to defend their communities.[UPRG] There will be many people, especially <strong>in</strong> the middle class or with<strong>in</strong> theestablishment, who will argue that we shouldn’t get this fund<strong>in</strong>g, so while weare try<strong>in</strong>g to make it work we need discipl<strong>in</strong>e, more so now than we did dur<strong>in</strong>gthe war. It doesn’t mean that we don’t address problem issues which arise; acode of conduct just gives our membership a better understand<strong>in</strong>g of what notto do and the mechanism of how to go about th<strong>in</strong>gs. There’s plenty of peopleout there who won’t want us to succeedand will do all they can to h<strong>in</strong>der us. Wewill have five key workers and they willwork on those issues together but they willalso work <strong>in</strong> their own brigade areas. Weare also th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g of tak<strong>in</strong>g a roadshowaround the country, expla<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g th<strong>in</strong>gs toour members, but at the same time ask<strong>in</strong>gthem for their views and thoughts.We’re not go<strong>in</strong>g away, but wehave to change and we have tochange together, and that’swhat we have to focus on: howwe change, how we get there,and how we get there together.[UDA] By our nature we are reactionaries; we react to any threat to ourcommunity. But over the last ten years some of us have been able to react to thatthreat <strong>in</strong> a different way. In my own area we have been us<strong>in</strong>g conduits to get us<strong>in</strong>to dialogue with the other side, because we felt that people liv<strong>in</strong>g close to the<strong>in</strong>terfaces – on both sides – were be<strong>in</strong>g threatened and hassled <strong>in</strong> different waysand there needed to be a jo<strong>in</strong>t effort made to stop this go<strong>in</strong>g on. And throughthat contact we have found a lot of common ground.[UPRG] We’re not go<strong>in</strong>g away, but we have to change and we have to changetogether, and that’s what we have to focus on: how we change, how we getthere, and how we get there together.[UDA] I believe honesty is the ma<strong>in</strong> th<strong>in</strong>g. But this won’t work until we get ourmen on the ground to be honest with us. We have too many ‘bar-room Prods’,runn<strong>in</strong>g down people like yourselves who are mak<strong>in</strong>g an effort. Until we get ourmembership believ<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> what we’re do<strong>in</strong>g I can’t see us gett<strong>in</strong>g too far.[UDA] The lack of honesty was the result of the leadership we had. The peopleat the top were tell<strong>in</strong>g everybody lies and abus<strong>in</strong>g people at the bottom. TheUDA and UFF were only flags of convenience for crim<strong>in</strong>als and drug-dealers.[Council] For a long time we let the gangsters take over; we were all afraid tochallenge these people, and they were do<strong>in</strong>g what they wanted. And <strong>in</strong>stead ofthis be<strong>in</strong>g seen as wrong <strong>in</strong> Loyalist communities, it became acceptable, and themore acceptable it became the more they exploited the situation. It’s up to us toprove that it’s not happen<strong>in</strong>g any more.25


[UDA] People say that the war is over, but there is still a threat <strong>from</strong> dissidentRepublicans, and many of our members still believe that the war isn’t over.[UPRG] Nevertheless, the reality is that the war has changed. If we don’t workout how we go forward to meet that change then we’re not go<strong>in</strong>g to be effectivelydefend<strong>in</strong>g the <strong>in</strong>terests of our people.[UDA] There’s a macho image <strong>in</strong> ourorganisation. If you’re out try<strong>in</strong>g to stoptrouble at the <strong>in</strong>terfaces people th<strong>in</strong>k you’rea coward – they would rather we got stuck<strong>in</strong>to the other side. And you have to expla<strong>in</strong>to people why you’re try<strong>in</strong>g to stop trouble:because most people liv<strong>in</strong>g at these<strong>in</strong>terfaces, both Catholic and Protestant,are sick of all this trouble.[UDA] You have certa<strong>in</strong> politicians who don’t want a peaceful summer, theyth<strong>in</strong>k it weakens their political arguments with government; so they w<strong>in</strong>d th<strong>in</strong>gsup. And the community gets confused: do they listen to the politicians or to us?[UPRG] As Valent<strong>in</strong>e said yesterday, it’s easy for them to sit there and heightentensions, but it takes more courage to say ‘hold on, that’s all wrong’.[UPRG] If you look at what’s happen<strong>in</strong>g to our people at the moment, <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>gthe <strong>in</strong>creas<strong>in</strong>g encroachment <strong>in</strong>to our areas by Nationalists, and the fact that somany concessions are be<strong>in</strong>g made to S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>, it’s no wonder our people feelthreatened. But you cannot blame S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> for that, we can only blameourselves, because we elected politicians who were meant to fight our corner,and they haven’t. So we need to get up off our knees and face the IRA on thestage that they’re now on.[UPRG] One of the th<strong>in</strong>gs which happened recently was that the PUP came outwith a statement say<strong>in</strong>g that they were go<strong>in</strong>g to be work<strong>in</strong>g very closely withS<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> on a wide range of issues. Now that has obviously been ratified by theUVF. I th<strong>in</strong>k the PUP believe, when a new Assembly is eventually set up, thatthey’re not go<strong>in</strong>g to get anyth<strong>in</strong>g <strong>from</strong> the DUP, and that S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> is morelikely to put resources their way. But we haven’t made an alliance with anybody.Now, I’m not for mak<strong>in</strong>g an alliance with the ma<strong>in</strong> Unionist parties, but at somestage, if we are to make this work, we have to talk with somebody who is <strong>in</strong>power and has control over resources. And is it go<strong>in</strong>g to be S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>, the DUP,or who? These are the type of strategic decisions that we have to make.[Council] As long as there are dissident Republicans we need to be able todefend our communities. The CTI will only go so far when the ‘D’ word isbound to come <strong>in</strong>to it – decommission<strong>in</strong>g – and our people won’t let usdecommission, not just our members.26The reality is that the war haschanged. If we don’t work outhow we go forward to meet thatchange then we’re not go<strong>in</strong>g tobe effectively defend<strong>in</strong>g the<strong>in</strong>terests of our people.


[UDA] If S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> signs up to polic<strong>in</strong>g and goes <strong>in</strong>to government I th<strong>in</strong>k theywill sort out the dissidents. Just look at the history of the IRA.[Council] Yes, but to me the dissident Republicans are still work<strong>in</strong>g to a S<strong>in</strong>nFé<strong>in</strong>/IRA agenda. If the dissidents really wanted to derail everyth<strong>in</strong>g and startthe war aga<strong>in</strong> they would kill somebody <strong>in</strong> this room or a member of thesecurity forces. So why haven’t theydone it? They’re <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> a lowkeyeffort which helps the S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>position without risk<strong>in</strong>g the collapseof everyth<strong>in</strong>g they have ga<strong>in</strong>ed so far.[Council] We need to get to the stagewhere we will not be deflected by abomb or a bullet. Over 30-odd years,no matter where we have set out togo, it’s been at somebody else’s whim.When the DUP demanded action weWe need to get to the stage wherewe will not be deflected by a bombor a bullet. Over 30-odd years, nomatter where we have set out to go,it’s been at somebody else’s whim....We must have the strength to dealwith th<strong>in</strong>gs <strong>in</strong> a different way.provided the muscle. When the IRA killed somebody we retaliated. No matterwhat political ideas or aspirations we might have had they were side-l<strong>in</strong>ed <strong>in</strong>favour of our paramilitary side. We need to be strong enough to get ourselves toa position where no matter what happens to us, we’ll look at it, take it on boardand decide what’s best for the whole organisation and the whole country andour part <strong>in</strong> it, and move on. We must have the strength to deal with th<strong>in</strong>gs <strong>in</strong> adifferent way.[UDA] I agree. If anyth<strong>in</strong>g happened to me tomorrow at the hands of dissidentRepublicans I wouldn’t want this organisation to react <strong>in</strong> a negative way.The participants then broke up <strong>in</strong>to work groups with the task: to th<strong>in</strong>k aboutwhat their vision might be for Northern Ireland 10 years hence, and about therole the UDA would play <strong>in</strong> realis<strong>in</strong>g that vision.Feedback: A surpris<strong>in</strong>gly large number felt that <strong>in</strong>tegrated education was theway forward, to enable young people to become more accept<strong>in</strong>g of each other’sculture. A strong economy was vital, which provided jobs for all young people.Some suggested positive youth programmes to encourage young people todevelop more socially responsible attitudes. Some would like to see <strong>in</strong>tegratedhous<strong>in</strong>g, though they felt communities would rema<strong>in</strong> polarised for some time.They strongly believed that the police must act <strong>in</strong> partnership with the community.Everyone wanted to see the UDA legalised and play<strong>in</strong>g an active role <strong>in</strong>community development work and regeneration. They looked forward to politicalstability with<strong>in</strong> the <strong>in</strong>stitutions of government, which should be based on powershar<strong>in</strong>g.They wanted to see good relations exist with the other community andan end to ‘<strong>in</strong>terface areas’, these becom<strong>in</strong>g shared spaces. They wanted to seeacceptance and respect accorded to all cultures, not just the two ma<strong>in</strong> traditions,27


ut the cultures represented by the new emigrants. They wanted politicians tobecome more accountable to communities, and some wanted to create a newpolitics which would reflect work<strong>in</strong>g-class needs. Violence and crime would beas low as possible. The threat of political violence was to be removed completely.The feedback was thorough and there is only space here for a few additionalcomments made dur<strong>in</strong>g the session:[UDA] We have to reverse John Hume’s logic, when he said: ‘We only need thesupport of 10% of Protestants to create a United Ireland.’ We believe that bytreat<strong>in</strong>g the other community fairly we can persuade 10-25% of Catholics toreta<strong>in</strong> the <strong>in</strong>stitutions of state here, rather than see<strong>in</strong>g them as a transitionalarrangement on the road to a United Ireland.[UDA] Currently Republicans say that we cannot parade through areas whichthey claim they ‘own’. The test for them, <strong>in</strong> terms of shared hous<strong>in</strong>g, is whetherthey are prepared to recognise our identity and facilitate its expression. If not,then they are not genu<strong>in</strong>e about <strong>in</strong>tegration.[UDA] Although most of us here want to be <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> community regeneration,at the same time we also want to be normal people who can sit <strong>in</strong> the house withour slippers on and not have the door be<strong>in</strong>g constantly rattled with peoplebr<strong>in</strong>g<strong>in</strong>g us all the community’s problems.[UDA] In state schools we are taught English history and <strong>in</strong> Catholic ma<strong>in</strong>ta<strong>in</strong>edschools it is all Irish history. It is high time we all had some Ulster history.[UDA] We hope that <strong>in</strong> 10 years’ time the parades issues has been resolved, andis no longer contentious. Indeed, our parade season could be put across as atourist attraction. It would be viewed as a festival and would no longer be seenas offensive to anybody, for there is no reasonfor it to be so.[UDA] I would like to see more personalengagement between ourselves andRepublicans. It’s often been said to me thatI am a traitor for want<strong>in</strong>g that, but is it notbetter to challenge all the lies they are tell<strong>in</strong>gabout our community – face-to-face?[Pal] Everyone here is talk<strong>in</strong>g about changeand work<strong>in</strong>g towards a peaceful society. Buteach person should also encourage their own family members, conv<strong>in</strong>ce themthat there is the need for a change, because the community is us.The third day’s group-work sessions focused on engagement, a crucial part ofthe whole CTI process. Each group was asked to address the follow<strong>in</strong>g questions:with whom should we engage; <strong>in</strong> what way should we engage; what do we28Our parade season could beput across as a touristattraction. It would be viewedas a festival and would nolonger be seen as offensive toanybody, for there is noreason for it to be so.


engage about; and what obstacles are we go<strong>in</strong>g to have to overcome <strong>in</strong> thisengagement process? (For the sake of conciseness, the different group responseshave been amalgamated here.)With whom should we engage? Our own membership; we need to create anenvironment where people feel safe, without fear of repercussions. Local politicalparties. Community organisations, although that process had already started asmany members were <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> community work. Government and the civilservice, <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>g the Irish government. The PSNI, although many don’t feelready to engage with them yet. The judicial system. The <strong>in</strong>ternational community,not only to promote understand<strong>in</strong>g of the Loyalist position, but to learn how<strong>others</strong> have tried to resolve <strong>conflict</strong>. Ex-prisoner and victims groups. SocialServices, education and health boards. Funders, church and religious organisations,youth organisations, women’s groups, trade unions, the bus<strong>in</strong>ess community.How do we engage with them? Through community-based projects, <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>gcross-community projects (though it is important that one’s own communityfeels strong <strong>in</strong> itself before it reaches out to the other community). Throughworkshops and sem<strong>in</strong>ars. By lobby<strong>in</strong>g politicians and decision-makers. Bywork<strong>in</strong>g on exist<strong>in</strong>g networks, while try<strong>in</strong>g to make new contacts. Throughconsultation with the wider community, with politicians, and with government.All engagement should be truthful, open and transparent. Round-table discussions,relationship-build<strong>in</strong>g exercises, and partnerships. Through publications, suchas the pamphlet series already planned. Through the media. Through thedevelopment of our own media – magaz<strong>in</strong>es, CD-Roms, history and culturepublications (so as to challenge the stereotypes which exist about our community).What do we engage about? Community issues, th<strong>in</strong>gs which affect our owncommunities on a daily basis. Social and economic issues, education, health,deprivation, lack of employment, hous<strong>in</strong>g, women’s issues, children’s issues,racial and sectarian attacks. Polic<strong>in</strong>g. Interfaces. Sport, especially on a crosscommunitybasis to br<strong>in</strong>g young people together. Our cultural heritage andidentity. Re-<strong>in</strong>volvement of ex-prisoners. The causes of the <strong>conflict</strong>. Communitydevelopment and community relations. Policy-mak<strong>in</strong>g and decisions whichaffect the prov<strong>in</strong>ce. Contentious issues, parad<strong>in</strong>g, the exiles and such matters.Equal social development. Environmental issues. Crime. Victims’ issues.Obstacles? Crim<strong>in</strong>als. What the security agencies, S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> and other Republicanelements do will effect what we are try<strong>in</strong>g to do. Disaffected loyalists, peoplewho aren’t prepared to take this journey with us. Political parties: as we growstronger the political parties will start to see us as a threat to their own electoralbase. Statutory agencies, the government. Our own communities: they must beencouraged to stop com<strong>in</strong>g to us to deal with issues which should be handled bythe police. The attitude of the PUP and UVF: <strong>in</strong> some areas we have goodrelationships, <strong>in</strong> <strong>others</strong> we would need to build them up. Inadequate human and29


f<strong>in</strong>ancial resources. The education and skills deficit, not only with<strong>in</strong> the organisationbut with<strong>in</strong> the community. Negative attitudes <strong>from</strong> the media. Public distrust.Our lack of confidence. Increas<strong>in</strong>g unemployment and lack of jobs <strong>in</strong> our areas.Those who are opposed to change. Lack of <strong>in</strong>frastructure with<strong>in</strong> our communities.The past history of the organisation. The civil servants who don’t like us.Below are a selection of some of the contributions made:[UDA] We have to start with our own organisation first; we need more consultations,more group meet<strong>in</strong>gs. Then we need to engage with the community, to br<strong>in</strong>gthem more on board. The community needs to know where we feel we are go<strong>in</strong>gand what we see <strong>in</strong> the future. Let everybody know exactly where we arecom<strong>in</strong>g <strong>from</strong>.[UDA] Some of our members who are <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> community work havemoved <strong>in</strong>to dialogue with S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> and Republicans. I should tell you how thatwas arranged <strong>in</strong> my own particular area. We started up a forum for the ShankillRoad, Glencairn, Spr<strong>in</strong>gmart<strong>in</strong>... which took everybody on board: politicians,the churches, women’s groups, the UVF, the Loyal Orders, the ApprenticeBoys. Representatives <strong>from</strong> these organisations sat on this forum and everybodyhad a say. If there was a decision to be made as to who you were to talk with, orwhat way you could go forward, it was a group decision, which made it thatmuch more easy for <strong>in</strong>dividuals to get <strong>in</strong>to contact with S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>, or Republicanswork<strong>in</strong>g along the <strong>in</strong>terfaces. Personally I found it very, very hard to get<strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> talk<strong>in</strong>g with these people. The first few occasions I met with them itbroke out <strong>in</strong>to bitter and bigoted arguments, and almost fist-fights. But we haveto engage with S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> so that we can tackle them.[UDA] In their propaganda Republicanspresent themselves as the guys whoare try<strong>in</strong>g to sort th<strong>in</strong>gs out, and theywant a resolution to th<strong>in</strong>gs like theparades issue. But actually when youget <strong>in</strong>to talks with them you f<strong>in</strong>d outwhere they are really com<strong>in</strong>g <strong>from</strong>.We were talk<strong>in</strong>g to this guy <strong>from</strong> S<strong>in</strong>nFé<strong>in</strong> about a certa<strong>in</strong> parade and I said:‘What would you like? We’re openfor discussion here.’ First of all hePersonally I found it very, veryhard to get <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> talk<strong>in</strong>g withthese people. The first fewoccasions I met with them it brokeout <strong>in</strong>to bitter and bifotedarguments, and almost fist-fights.But we have to engage with S<strong>in</strong>nFé<strong>in</strong> so that we can tackle them.started on about mak<strong>in</strong>g it smaller. And we said: ‘Yes, we’ll th<strong>in</strong>k about that.’The next th<strong>in</strong>g was: ‘What about hav<strong>in</strong>g no band?’ ‘Right.’ Next th<strong>in</strong>g: ‘Whatabout maybe only one or two Orangemen walk<strong>in</strong>g?’ ‘Right.’ ‘What about noflags?’ ‘Right.’ ‘No music?’ ‘Right.’ F<strong>in</strong>ally, I said to him: ‘Exactly what is itthat you want? Is it no parade at all?’ And he said: ‘Yes.’ So by engag<strong>in</strong>g withthese people you’ll see exactly what it is they’re up to.30


[Council] The 24th November 10 will have a significant bear<strong>in</strong>g on the situation,but should we wait to see what everyone else is go<strong>in</strong>g to do, or should the UDAdecide that, irrespective of what happens, we set out our stall, and go thereourselves? I th<strong>in</strong>k we have got the confidence, the credibility with<strong>in</strong> ourselves,the desire, and certa<strong>in</strong>ly the people to do it. So I say we should go for it.[UDA] We had a quiet summer and we workedwith everybody, UVF <strong>in</strong>cluded, about the paradesseason. And certa<strong>in</strong> people went to the DPP 11meet<strong>in</strong>g and had to sit and listen to two <strong>in</strong>spectors,one <strong>from</strong> West Belfast and one <strong>from</strong> North Belfast,congratulat<strong>in</strong>g themselves on their good work –and there was no mention of the UDA, the Forumor anyone else who was <strong>in</strong>volved <strong>in</strong> the discussionswhich ensured it was a peaceful summer.Our future actions willbr<strong>in</strong>g home to the people<strong>in</strong> the street just what weare about. If we cock itup this time we will notget another chance.[UDA] This year we asked the police to stay away; we asked them to give us theauthority to marshal the parade ourselves. It was a big th<strong>in</strong>g for them to do, andthis went right up to NIO 12 level, but they eventually agreed to it. Which meantthat on one of the most contentious parades there were only two police officers.And some of the guys <strong>in</strong> this room and <strong>others</strong> marshalled that parade throughthe <strong>in</strong>terface areas, and it went off fantastically. We undertook a tra<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>gprogramme <strong>in</strong> marshall<strong>in</strong>g, steward<strong>in</strong>g and <strong>in</strong> negotiat<strong>in</strong>g skills. We expla<strong>in</strong>edto the parade organiser that our stewards were not there to marshal the Republicans,they were there to marshal the people <strong>in</strong> the parade – the bandsmen, the lodges– and ensure that they were dignified and treated the other side with respect. Wewanted to see none of these two-f<strong>in</strong>gered gestures. And it all worked out well.[UDA] The UDA and the UPRG are enter<strong>in</strong>g a new dawn. After the completionof this week people are go<strong>in</strong>g to be look<strong>in</strong>g at people <strong>in</strong> this room, because weare all go<strong>in</strong>g to be ambassadors, whether we like it or not. Our future actionswill br<strong>in</strong>g home to the people <strong>in</strong> the street just what we are about. If we cock itup this time we will not get another chance.[UDA] I th<strong>in</strong>k we should be negotiat<strong>in</strong>g with S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>. I know we have steeredaway <strong>from</strong> it for years because the old hatred was there, and the belief thatnegotiat<strong>in</strong>g with S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> was unacceptable. But the time is now right. IanPaisley is go<strong>in</strong>g to negotiate with them. He is the man who said ‘Never, never,never!’ Now he’s say<strong>in</strong>g ‘maybe’. He is the same person who climbed on thebacks of everybody <strong>in</strong> this room to get to where he is today. And when he washalf way there he washed his hands of us. When he marched us up hills anddown the other side, we were confronted, not with weapons, but with plasticbuckets – to put our money <strong>in</strong>to! To support his cause. Those days are f<strong>in</strong>ished.We have to engage with S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>. Now, some of you might th<strong>in</strong>k it very odd ofme to recommend that we engage with them, and will say: but what have we <strong>in</strong>31


common with S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>? We have everyth<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> common. We come <strong>from</strong> thesame work<strong>in</strong>g-class backgrounds. It’s not the upper and middle classes whohave done the suffer<strong>in</strong>g, it’s us. In normal politics most people <strong>in</strong> this roomwould have been vot<strong>in</strong>g Labour, not some form of Unionist conservatism.[UDA] I th<strong>in</strong>k we know we have to sit down and talk to S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>. It’s aboutconfront<strong>in</strong>g people, and it’s a matter of how we start. The Palest<strong>in</strong>ians andIsraelis are go<strong>in</strong>g through the same as us: they have similar politicians whohave failed them, and they too have difficulty sitt<strong>in</strong>g down together.[Mol/Trans] I have heard a lot here about the fear of los<strong>in</strong>g one’s identity.Listen<strong>in</strong>g to you, however, you sound strong <strong>in</strong> your identity and I don’t seehow you can lose it. I have a friend whose father died while she was away <strong>from</strong>home. Her relatives, <strong>in</strong> order to get hisproperty, didn’t <strong>in</strong>form her that he had dieduntil some time later. She said to me: ‘Theytook everyth<strong>in</strong>g relat<strong>in</strong>g to my father exceptthe one th<strong>in</strong>g they couldn’t take – my lovefor him.’ I th<strong>in</strong>k this plan you are try<strong>in</strong>g todevelop now will help you to preserve youridentity. It is more important to strengthenyour identity on the <strong>in</strong>side rather than searchfor confirmation of it outside of you.On the last day the participants were aga<strong>in</strong> asked to break <strong>in</strong>to small groups, todiscuss what they considered to be the key priorities for the next six months:[Council] We need to expla<strong>in</strong> to our people what’s go<strong>in</strong>g to happen. We need tobr<strong>in</strong>g them along with us.[UDA] Fund<strong>in</strong>g is a priority to let us proceed, and a core element will be skillsdevelopment and build<strong>in</strong>g on work we have already done. Also br<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> otherareas and their skills; they can help to support the <strong>in</strong>itiative.[UDA] As we are talk<strong>in</strong>g about paid workers, we need to get that out <strong>in</strong> theopen. There’s people, when they see fund<strong>in</strong>g go<strong>in</strong>g towards us, will say: typical,that’s money for the boys. So it’s important that some organisation outside theUDA takes on responsibility for the f<strong>in</strong>ances. We want to make it clear that thehandl<strong>in</strong>g of all fund<strong>in</strong>g is transparent and <strong>in</strong>dependent.[UDA] We have to build community confidence, by focus<strong>in</strong>g on issues importantto the community. People will be look<strong>in</strong>g to us for leadership. We have to letthem know that we want to get <strong>in</strong>to cross-community dialogue – and to engagewith S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong> –to take on these people, but that we’re not go<strong>in</strong>g to be deal<strong>in</strong>gwith them beh<strong>in</strong>d people’s backs. We have to <strong>in</strong>sist on the accountability of thePSNI and not let them dictate what is happen<strong>in</strong>g on our communities. We needa consensus <strong>in</strong> the UDA; we need to be consult<strong>in</strong>g our membership.32It’s not the upper and middleclasses who have done thesuffer<strong>in</strong>g, it’s us. In normalpolitics most people <strong>in</strong> thisroom would have been vot<strong>in</strong>gLabour, not some form ofUnionist conservatism.


[UDA] We need to <strong>in</strong>form our membership about what was discussed this weekand how we got to this stage <strong>in</strong> our th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g. And not just the membership buttheir families. And we have to expla<strong>in</strong> to our widows why there is this need tomove on. We need to take on board the views of the members, it mustn’tbecome a one-way process; we can replicate this workshop on a local level. Weneed to put our own house <strong>in</strong> order before we move on. We need to remove anyexcuse people might put up for not talk<strong>in</strong>g to us.[UDA] While we’re engaged <strong>in</strong> thisprocess, at the same time we have to beprepared to defend our communitiesaga<strong>in</strong>st dissident Republicans, crim<strong>in</strong>alsand drug-dealers. We need to seek toengage soon with the DUP. Some herebelieve that the DUP don’t want toengage with us, but I th<strong>in</strong>k they will bewant<strong>in</strong>g to, especially if they deal withWe need to take on board theviews of the members, it mustn’tbecome a one-way process; we canreplicate this workshop on a locallevel. We need to put our ownhouse <strong>in</strong> order before we move on.S<strong>in</strong>n Fé<strong>in</strong>. We need help to see that people have the skills and the tra<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g totake this <strong>in</strong>itiative forward.[UDA] We mustn’t ignore the hous<strong>in</strong>g issue. If you look around NorthernIreland today you can see that there is a slow strangulation policy, with regardto Protestant areas, be<strong>in</strong>g encouraged by Republicans. Areas that were totallyProtestant are now lost. Protestants have moved out of Co. Down and Co.Antrim, never to be replaced numerically. In Belfast there is a quiet war go<strong>in</strong>gon to squeeze the Protestants out and make this one big city of Catholics.[UDA] In the next six months we really need to be mak<strong>in</strong>g a start on what wediscussed yesterday. We need to br<strong>in</strong>g all our areas together to consult and formwork<strong>in</strong>g groups. We need to hammer out a broad-rang<strong>in</strong>g but not unrealisticstrategy. We need human resources and fund<strong>in</strong>g; without that we will notsucceed. We have got all the skills here and we just need to build our confidence.We will need to engage soon with the PSNI, funders and other. We had become<strong>in</strong>sular and said that we didn’t need to engage with these people. We do need toengage with these people, for they are mak<strong>in</strong>g decisions about our lives and ourcommunities, so we need to challenge them and anyth<strong>in</strong>g they may do. We needto get our story out to the wider community, develop our public image. We willneed to cont<strong>in</strong>ue to work with the <strong>in</strong>ternational community. And end<strong>in</strong>g crim<strong>in</strong>alityis an absolute must. We should be on the polic<strong>in</strong>g boards and tell them how wewant our communities to be policed. We need to change the legal status of ourex-prisoners; there’s 5000 of them, and everywhere they go they are be<strong>in</strong>gdiscrim<strong>in</strong>ated aga<strong>in</strong>st. Now, <strong>in</strong> the current situation there is no chance of gett<strong>in</strong>grid of weapons. But we need to be decommission<strong>in</strong>g m<strong>in</strong>ds: there is a m<strong>in</strong>d-setwith<strong>in</strong> our community that we have to change.33


It was now time to br<strong>in</strong>g the workshop to a close.[Facil] I am really impressed by the amount of work you have all done thisweek, and if you can ma<strong>in</strong>ta<strong>in</strong> that level of commitment, then even though itseems like an awful lot to do, with that energy there’s absolutely no reason whyyou can’t tackle the th<strong>in</strong>gs you have identified.[UPRG] For me it has been a very <strong>in</strong>terest<strong>in</strong>g week. It has certa<strong>in</strong>ly brought anew dynamic, especially some of the submissions. The UPRG are very gratefulto all the participants, especially our <strong>in</strong>ternational guests; and on behalf of theUDA Inner Council we extend our thanks to you all. It has helped us provide thebeg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>gs of a road map for our own peace process. It has been a wonderfulweek; I am tired and exhausted. Over the next six months we will carry thiswork <strong>in</strong>to our grassroots. The pamphlet that will result <strong>from</strong> this workshop willalso help take this week’s discussions <strong>in</strong>to the wider community, <strong>in</strong>deed the<strong>in</strong>ternational community. But I have seen that our own organisation is a confidentorganisation, confident <strong>in</strong> its own abilities, confident about the change that isahead, and well able to help create an Ulster of which we can all be proud.[UPRG] We want to thank our associates <strong>from</strong> Moldova and Transdniestria,<strong>from</strong> Israel and Palest<strong>in</strong>e for their participation this week. Hopefully we canmake more connections <strong>in</strong> the near future. On behalf of the UDA we thank youfor shar<strong>in</strong>g your experiences.Presentations were made by the organisers to the foreign participants, who <strong>in</strong>turn presented gifts <strong>from</strong> their own countries.[UPRG] I now want to thank Diana, Paul, Ian and Lord Hylton. The facilitationwe have had this week has been fantastic and I want to thank you for that. I alsowant to thank Jackie Hewitt and Farset’s Chairman, Barney McCaughey, becausewithout Farset we couldn’t have done all this. I th<strong>in</strong>k history is be<strong>in</strong>g made <strong>in</strong>this build<strong>in</strong>g. But there’s one more person to thank. This workshop owes muchto Joe Camplisson. Although he’s <strong>from</strong> the Catholic community he’s beenassist<strong>in</strong>g the UDA <strong>in</strong> different peace efforts right <strong>from</strong> the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g, andprobably had to endure much criticism for do<strong>in</strong>g so. But he stuck with it, andwith his vision. I want to thank Joe for help<strong>in</strong>g us along this road.[Joe] I th<strong>in</strong>k that what you have demonstrated here this week is that you havethe capacity to generate movement towards peace and prosperity. And it wasalso obvious that this com<strong>in</strong>g together <strong>from</strong> different <strong>conflict</strong>s has been beneficialto those who are seek<strong>in</strong>g to address each of those <strong>conflict</strong>s. I would wish youevery success as you go forward. I th<strong>in</strong>k this week there has been a joy bubbl<strong>in</strong>gup <strong>in</strong> this room and that joy is <strong>in</strong>fectious; it has certa<strong>in</strong>ly been a tonic for me.[Pal] I and my colleagues have made a lot of friends here this week. Theimpression I have so far of Belfast and Northern Ireland is that it is a big enoughplace for all its people to share, and I hope that you will manage to live <strong>in</strong> peace.34


Compared to the place where I come <strong>from</strong> I th<strong>in</strong>k your task is much easier, forat least you can live side by side, unlike <strong>in</strong> our own complicated situation. Ihope that on my next visit to Belfast I will see peace for all.[Isr] I would like to add our thanks for the hospitality shown to us and for theimportant experiences we were able to share, not just dur<strong>in</strong>g the conferenceproceed<strong>in</strong>gs but <strong>in</strong> discussions which often lasted well <strong>in</strong>to the night. It has allbeen very valuable to us.[Mol/Trans] I would like to thank everyone for this wonderful week. In our own<strong>conflict</strong> at the moment there is no movement. Be<strong>in</strong>g here and see<strong>in</strong>g all of youso active has transferred onto ourselves some of your energy, and hopefullywhen we go back to Moldova we can put some of that energy to the search forresolution aga<strong>in</strong>. I would like to offer you all our good wishes.[Facil] We facilitators talked among ourselves about the trust you gave us. Ididn’t know that I would have given that trust to an outsider. But you did trustus and we feel honoured and befriended.Notes(All pamphlets listed can be downloaded free <strong>from</strong>: http://ca<strong>in</strong>.ulst.ac.uk/islandpublications)1 See Island Pamphlet No. 79, Loyalism <strong>in</strong> Transition (1): A new reality? (This documentwill also soon be available <strong>in</strong> French and Italian via a forthcom<strong>in</strong>g CTI web-site.)2 A concise description of the Northern Ireland/Moldovan l<strong>in</strong>kage is to be found <strong>in</strong> IslandPamphlet No. 61, The search for <strong>conflict</strong> resolution: lessons drawn <strong>from</strong> a communitydevelopment strategy. A more <strong>in</strong>-depth account is to be found <strong>in</strong> the book From ConflictConta<strong>in</strong>ment to Resolution, by Joe Camplisson and Michael Hall, 2002, available <strong>from</strong>Island Publications (£7.50 <strong>in</strong>clusive of postage <strong>in</strong> the UK; £9.00 elsewhere).3 These Israelis and Palest<strong>in</strong>ians held a series of workshops <strong>in</strong> Belfast <strong>in</strong> September 2003,which are described <strong>in</strong> two Island Pamphlets: No. 57, Reflections on Violence (whichfocuses on the Northern Ireland <strong>conflict</strong>), and No. 58, Mak<strong>in</strong>g road maps to peace (whichfocuses on the Israeli/Palest<strong>in</strong>ian <strong>conflict</strong>).4 Northern Ireland is known to its Protestant (and some of its Catholic) <strong>in</strong>habitants as‘Ulster’. However, as it only comprises six of the n<strong>in</strong>e counties of the historical prov<strong>in</strong>ceof Ulster – the other three be<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> the Republic of Ireland – many Irish Nationalistsrefuse to equate the label ‘Ulster’ with the political entity of Northern Ireland. Ironically,the n<strong>in</strong>e-country configuration which most Irish Nationalists claim comprises the ‘true’Ulster – the six counties with<strong>in</strong> Northern Ireland plus counties Donegal, Monaghan andCavan <strong>in</strong> the Republic – is actually of English design, for until the end of the 16th centuryancient Ulster was held to <strong>in</strong>clude the territory now <strong>in</strong> County Louth but not Cavan. Itwas Queen Elizabeth I’s adm<strong>in</strong>istrators who decided to add Louth to the prov<strong>in</strong>ce ofLe<strong>in</strong>ster and attach Cavan to Ulster.5 The ‘Troubles’ is a (totally <strong>in</strong>adequate) word used to describe the past 30 years ofbloodshed <strong>in</strong> Northern Ireland. It was first used euphemistically for the Anglo-Irish Warof 1919–1921 and the label was applied to subsequent upsurges <strong>in</strong> violence.6 The Good Friday (or Belfast) Agrement was negotiated and signed <strong>in</strong> 1998. Among itsprovisions was a local power-shar<strong>in</strong>g Assembly and a number of cross-border bodies.35


Island Pamphlet No. 68, The Good Friday Agreement: where to now?, gives an accountof a public debate on the problems associated with it.7 Protestants have traditionally celebrated their religion and culture through marches andparades, many organised by the Loyal Orders. While Protestants <strong>in</strong>sist that these eventsare simply expressions of their identity, many Catholics view them as sectarian assertionsof triumphalism. In recent decades chang<strong>in</strong>g demographics has seen formerly Protestantareas become largely Catholic, and marches and parades along previously ‘traditionalroutes’ have been vigorously contested by Catholic residents; this has sometimes led tosevere <strong>in</strong>ter-communal violence. Nationalist attitudes to the march<strong>in</strong>g issue are recounted<strong>in</strong> Island Pamphlet No. 64, Explor<strong>in</strong>g the march<strong>in</strong>g issue.8 A body set up by government to make decisions on contentious parades (e.g. routerestrictions or outright bann<strong>in</strong>g).9 Follow<strong>in</strong>g the IRA’s War of Independence (1919–1921) Ireland was ‘partitioned’: 26southern counties became the Irish Free State (later the Republic of Ireland), while sixnorthern counties became Northern Ireland, rema<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g part of the United K<strong>in</strong>gdom.10 A reference to the deadl<strong>in</strong>e set by the Secretary of State, Peter Ha<strong>in</strong>, for NorthernIreland’s political parties to resolve all rema<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g obstacles to the restoration of theAssembly set up under the Good Friday Agreement; otherwise it was to be wound up.(Not unexpectedly, this ‘deadl<strong>in</strong>e’ was fudged and moved to March 2007.)11 District Polic<strong>in</strong>g Partnerships; set up to encourage local <strong>in</strong>volvement <strong>in</strong> polic<strong>in</strong>g.12 The Northern Ireland Office, a branch of the civil service which effectively adm<strong>in</strong>istersNorthern Ireland <strong>in</strong> the absence of a locally function<strong>in</strong>g Assembly.Some F<strong>in</strong>al thoughtsIt can be argued that ‘Conflict Transformation’ is different <strong>from</strong> ‘Conflict Resolution’,<strong>in</strong> that the nature of a <strong>conflict</strong> can be transformed – such as a shared agreement notto resort to violence – without the protagonists com<strong>in</strong>g any nearer to resolv<strong>in</strong>g theirdifferences. However, although this workshop has shown that the UDA’s objectiveof transform<strong>in</strong>g the <strong>conflict</strong> is already be<strong>in</strong>g acted upon, statements made by theparticipants – which might not have been voiced even a few years ago –reveal thata desire to resolve the Northern Ireland <strong>conflict</strong> is also present: the expressions ofsupport for <strong>in</strong>tegrated education, the call to turn sectarian <strong>in</strong>terfaces <strong>in</strong>to sharedspaces, and a will<strong>in</strong>gness to address the historical/cultural roots of the <strong>conflict</strong>.The goal of resolution, however, will prove far more difficult to achieve than thatof transformation. For a start, a new honesty will be required. Encourag<strong>in</strong>gly, thedemand for such an honesty was a recurrent feature of the workshop, and this is tobe welcomed, for some hard self-exam<strong>in</strong>ation still lies ahead for all sides to the<strong>conflict</strong>. The UDA/UFF will have to acknowledge that, although they talked of‘tak<strong>in</strong>g the war to the IRA’, the ord<strong>in</strong>ary Catholic community suffered appall<strong>in</strong>gly.Likewise, the IRA will have to acknowledge that their violent pursuit of a UnitedIreland was not the pure and idealistic liberation struggle it was so often portrayedas be<strong>in</strong>g. The state too has to accept its share of culpability.Nevertheless – judg<strong>in</strong>g by the strength of the feel<strong>in</strong>gs expressed dur<strong>in</strong>g thisworkshop – there is no doubt that a major player <strong>in</strong> our past 30 years of mayhemand tragedy, the UDA, is now mak<strong>in</strong>g a genu<strong>in</strong>e effort to play a more constructiveand positive part <strong>in</strong> build<strong>in</strong>g a new future for Northern Ireland.36

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