An Interview with Pamby Andrea Swans<strong>on</strong>Andrea, who is aspiring to be a writer, worked part time with ASO before going back toschool.Imet Pam Newman-Butt<strong>on</strong> <strong>on</strong> a M<strong>on</strong>day last December. Margaret Spoelstra and I me<strong>the</strong>r for lunch at a diner, just blocks from her Burlingt<strong>on</strong> apartment. Pam has beeninterviewed <strong>on</strong> video and in print many times, and has become a unique and crucialspokespers<strong>on</strong> for people growing up and living with autism. Her own story was includedin In Our Own Words. First Hand Accounts by <str<strong>on</strong>g>Adults</str<strong>on</strong>g> <strong>on</strong> <strong>the</strong> <strong>Autism</strong> <strong>Spectrum</strong> (now in itssec<strong>on</strong>d printing - 2005).Pam recently experienced a pr<strong>on</strong>ounced weight loss after changing medicati<strong>on</strong>s. Whenwe spoke to her, her insight and candour gave us an important inside look at <strong>the</strong> potentiallyprofound impact of drug side-effects.What’s <strong>the</strong> most important thing about your story for youto let people know?I worked for 30 years in my lifetime, tried marriage, led a normallife, and <strong>the</strong> most important thing is to find a medicati<strong>on</strong> thatworks and c<strong>on</strong>trols your moods and does not have a weight gainside effect. I’ll tell you something, you’d ra<strong>the</strong>r have a weightgain than be <strong>on</strong> nothing, be <strong>on</strong> no pills. Then you have a nopleasure life, when people d<strong>on</strong>’t want to be around you.Eventually <strong>the</strong>y will find a pill that will agree with [people]—weight and mood. The mood is more important than <strong>the</strong> weightgain. You might not live as l<strong>on</strong>g but it’s better than beingmiserable and sickYou are very proud of your weight loss.I thought, it’s bad enough having a disability that makes youappear slow, but being heavy as well, you know—like fat andstupid. Now, I can eat anything I want.After people judging you your whole life.Yes.That’s <strong>the</strong> last thing you needed!On <strong>the</strong> medicati<strong>on</strong>, everything I ate turned to fat. Before <strong>the</strong>medicati<strong>on</strong> I was like this (moti<strong>on</strong>ing to her body). Risperid<strong>on</strong>edidn’t have that effect <strong>on</strong> me and <strong>the</strong> weight fell off. Now I’meating anything again. The previous meds I was <strong>on</strong> I just hadto look at food and I would gain. It was horrible.That must have been frustrating.Oh yes it was, because some of my relatives were saying “Youmust be eating. You must be gorging. What have you beendoing?” Or some doctors… in Oakville, I had kidney trouble<strong>on</strong>ce. I went to a kidney specialist, and I was a caretaker <strong>the</strong>n.[The doctor said] “What do you do? Sit and eat?” That was awful!I worked very hard at <strong>the</strong> school board—<strong>on</strong>e of <strong>the</strong> hardestworkers. I cleaned 20,000 square feet every night.The <strong>Autism</strong> Newslink Spring 2006For how l<strong>on</strong>g?Seventeen years.What was <strong>the</strong> reacti<strong>on</strong> people had to you when you startedto lose <strong>the</strong> weight?Some people said, “Good for you, good for you! You’re doing agood job.” What if it’s <strong>the</strong> pills?I’ve had that happen quite a lot in my lifetime, when I wasin <strong>the</strong> psychiatric hospital, it happened twice, when both times<strong>the</strong>y put me <strong>on</strong> --- [ano<strong>the</strong>r med]. I was in <strong>the</strong> hospital for sixweeks, <strong>the</strong>n I had to go back <strong>the</strong> next year in <strong>the</strong> fall, becausehigh school made me worse, so in <strong>the</strong> middle of winter <strong>the</strong>ytook me off all meds to see what was I was like. I was horrible.About March <strong>the</strong>y put me back <strong>on</strong>. There were c<strong>on</strong>stant changesof medicati<strong>on</strong>s, <strong>on</strong>, off, different kinds until now.What were <strong>the</strong> symptoms?Agitati<strong>on</strong>, thought disorder, sensitivity. I was <strong>on</strong> anti-psychoticmedicati<strong>on</strong>s since I was 15. They cut me off <strong>on</strong>e; still I had twoo<strong>the</strong>rs.Did those medicati<strong>on</strong>s make a difference to you?Some helped me, some c<strong>on</strong>trolled me well, some c<strong>on</strong>trolled mealmost like a vegetable state, I d<strong>on</strong>’t think [named medicati<strong>on</strong>]did that good of a job, but I was c<strong>on</strong>trolled enough.What does it feel like to be not c<strong>on</strong>trolled?I was irritable, fought, felt persecuted and upset. I had a lot morearguments with my mom and dad. Up and down.And when you are <strong>on</strong> <strong>on</strong>e of <strong>the</strong> better drugs, what doesthat feel like?Better c<strong>on</strong>trolled since being <strong>on</strong> <strong>the</strong> Risperid<strong>on</strong>e and also d<strong>on</strong>’thave <strong>the</strong> weight gain. Many o<strong>the</strong>r people gain weight, but notme. I lost 11 lbs. in <strong>the</strong> first few weeks. That’s why I was so
happy; that’s why I had tears when I went <strong>on</strong> <strong>the</strong> Risperid<strong>on</strong>e.Even my family doctor had tears.What are some of <strong>the</strong> things you can do now that you’velost <strong>the</strong> weight that you couldn’t do before?Dance. Dance. Dance—which I couldn’t do before. Also I couldskip. When I was a kid and <strong>on</strong> previous medicati<strong>on</strong>s, I was tooinside myself. I was rigid. Also, now I can tend to hygiene better,like trimming my toenails.Where do you dance?Well, I went to a dinner and dance at <strong>the</strong> Oasis group and Idanced. I was so surprised! And ano<strong>the</strong>r thing—I climbed over afence, like I did when I was a kid. Of course I sprained a musclebecause I forgot I was 57 and not a kid. I went swimming lastsummer. I had to buy a new swimming suit because <strong>the</strong> suit I hadfor many years was too big. I bought a two-piece bathing suit.Did you buy lots of new clo<strong>the</strong>s?Yes. When you are overweight you d<strong>on</strong>’t feel like shoppingbecause no matter what you wear you look like... Now, I havelots of clo<strong>the</strong>s. I look good in everything.If you could give something to children now with autismthat you didn’t have when you were growing up, whatwould you give?A teacher’s assistant. I probably could have g<strong>on</strong>e a lot fur<strong>the</strong>rat school if I had help. Nowadays you have to get an educati<strong>on</strong>to get a great job. It doesn’t work nowadays to get a Grade 9 orGrade 10 educati<strong>on</strong>; <strong>the</strong>y need Grade 12—no doubt about it. Ifyou’re <strong>on</strong> disability [ODSP] you’re going to get peanuts.Mark your calendarfor <strong>Autism</strong> Dayp Pam has developed a w<strong>on</strong>derful talent as an artist. Justrecently her works were <strong>on</strong> exhibiti<strong>on</strong> and for sale by The Oasis ArtGroup in Burlingt<strong>on</strong>. This piece is entitled “Desolati<strong>on</strong>.” Pam saysthat <strong>the</strong> colours and images reflect aspects of pain and hope inher life.Looking back <strong>on</strong> your life—all <strong>the</strong> things you’ve beenthrough— is <strong>the</strong>re some advice that you would give peoplewith autism? What would you say to those people?That you eventually find your destinati<strong>on</strong>. You know, keeptrying, keep plugging. You will eventually find it. That’s <strong>the</strong> bestbet. Is that good advice?Annual <strong>Autism</strong> <strong>Spectrum</strong>Disorders C<strong>on</strong>ference“Focus On <str<strong>on</strong>g>Adults</str<strong>on</strong>g>”June 16-17, 2006The Grand Hotel & Suites (Jarvis St.) Tor<strong>on</strong>toFriday, July 21, 2006Game time: 7:05pmRogers CentreTor<strong>on</strong>to Blue Jaysvs.New York YankeesEvery<strong>on</strong>e is welcome to our 4th Annual <strong>Autism</strong>Day. It will feature KiSara (Kim and Sara) singing <strong>the</strong>nati<strong>on</strong>al an<strong>the</strong>ms. Join us for a fun-filled evening. Formore informati<strong>on</strong>, c<strong>on</strong>tact E<strong>the</strong>l at 416-246-9592Ext. 224 or e<strong>the</strong>l@autismsociety.<strong>on</strong>.ca.Presentati<strong>on</strong>s and discussi<strong>on</strong> opportunities around adultissues. Hear from adults <strong>on</strong> <strong>the</strong> autism spectrum.Note: ASO is accepting nominati<strong>on</strong>s for ASO Board ofDirectors. Informati<strong>on</strong> can be found <strong>on</strong> our website. TheAnnual General Meeting of ASO will follow <strong>the</strong> c<strong>on</strong>ference <strong>on</strong>Saturday, June 16.For more informati<strong>on</strong>, visitwww.autismsociety.<strong>on</strong>.ca or call E<strong>the</strong>l at 416-246-9592, Ext. 224Spring 2006 The <strong>Autism</strong> Newslink