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IN THE STUDIONANCY DAVENPORTWITH DAVID COGGINS<strong>Nancy</strong> <strong>Davenport</strong>'s work app'ears straightforward: sparephotographs of build<strong>in</strong>gs, for <strong>in</strong>stance, or dreamy videos offactory workers. Yet there's a sense of forebod<strong>in</strong>g with<strong>in</strong> herf<strong>in</strong>ely wrought, socially observant works. There are historiesbeh<strong>in</strong>d these images- stories of crime, of violence, ofcorporate transgression. But this is hardly documentary journalism-nearly every scene has been digitally manipulated.We are left to f<strong>in</strong>d our version of the truth <strong>in</strong> images that areat once more and less than what they seem.Workers (leav<strong>in</strong>g the factory), an ongo<strong>in</strong>g video project<strong>Davenport</strong> began <strong>in</strong> 2004, addresses the shift from heavymanufactur<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> most Western societies. The multichannel<strong>in</strong>stallation which was shown at the 2008 Liverpool Biennialcomb<strong>in</strong>es footage of factories <strong>in</strong> Europe and their counterparts<strong>in</strong> Ch<strong>in</strong>a, to which the Europeans' work will soon beoutsourced, edited together seamlessly so that the facilitiesbecome <strong>in</strong>dist<strong>in</strong>guishable. On one channel, the camera movesacross the impassive faces of automotive factory workersfrom a Jaguar factory <strong>in</strong> England who sit around with aheavy air of exhaustion. The other channel moves along anassembly l<strong>in</strong>e as the gleam<strong>in</strong>g cars glide by- the mechanizedambience is so prist<strong>in</strong>e that when a worker appearswe are surprised by the <strong>in</strong>trusion. There is no place <strong>in</strong> thefactory, <strong>Davenport</strong> suggests, for the workers themselves. Yet<strong>Davenport</strong>'s concerns go beyond the socioeconomic; she isalso deeply engaged with the history of filmmak<strong>in</strong>g, and heroeuvre references ma<strong>in</strong>stays from Griffiths to Godard.Icons of power and authority, such as physically impos<strong>in</strong>garchitectural structures, often appear <strong>in</strong> <strong>Davenport</strong>'sphotographs; they are the focus of the "apartments"and "Campus" series (2001 and 2004respectively). Stillness is also a recurr<strong>in</strong>gtheme- Weekend Campus (2004)<strong>Nancy</strong> <strong>Davenport</strong><strong>in</strong> her Romeis a digitally animated video <strong>in</strong> whichstudio. Courtesya camera seem<strong>in</strong>gly moves across athe artist.still image, creat<strong>in</strong>g an uneasy frictionbetween motion and stasis. <strong>Davenport</strong>'suse of animation is sooth<strong>in</strong>g- it allowsher to create seamless track<strong>in</strong>g shotsthat are so languid they're almost hypnotic- yet shesets that aga<strong>in</strong>st unexpected details like the unnerv<strong>in</strong>glywide, bl<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g eyes of one of the workers.<strong>Davenport</strong> exercises complete formal control over her filmsand photographs, yet reality can <strong>in</strong>trude on the most carefullystaged work. This is most apparent <strong>in</strong> "apartments,"which debuted <strong>in</strong> Chelsea at Nicole Klagsbrun. The largephotographs of anonymous New York build<strong>in</strong>gs were digitallyaltered to <strong>in</strong>clude reenactments of what <strong>Davenport</strong> calls"historical acts of resistance." Some are political, like thehostage crisis at the 1972 Munich Olympics, others artistic,like Chris Burden's 1973 performance 747, <strong>in</strong> which he shot agun at an airplane <strong>in</strong> flight from a position on the ground. Theexhibition opened the week before Sept. 11,2001. Whatever<strong>Davenport</strong>'s <strong>in</strong>tentions, the mean<strong>in</strong>g of the show was quicklyovertaken by events <strong>in</strong> Lower Manhattan. A photo depict<strong>in</strong>gan explosion amid New York apartment build<strong>in</strong>gs becameexcruciat<strong>in</strong>gly timely <strong>in</strong> a way <strong>Davenport</strong> never anticipated, orsought. It was a paradoxical lesson <strong>in</strong> the power of topicality-someth<strong>in</strong>g<strong>Davenport</strong> claims she seeks to avoid."Campus" is a series of photographs of university build<strong>in</strong>gsso visually stark and un welcom<strong>in</strong>g as to seem <strong>in</strong>hospitable tohigher learn<strong>in</strong>g. Each school has been the site of past protests,some violent, mostly dur<strong>in</strong>g the Vietnam War. Many ofthe structures were built after 1970, and they're designed likebunkers. There's a dissonance between the ideals of highereducation-curiosity, dissent, challeng<strong>in</strong>g received wisdomandthe hard facts of the world as it is. The build<strong>in</strong>gs come torepresent a defensive status quo, a form of social stasis.Not all of <strong>Davenport</strong>'s work is that fraught. She's currentlywork<strong>in</strong>g on a film <strong>in</strong>spired by the animation of <strong>America</strong>n cartoonartist Chuck Jones, to be permanently <strong>in</strong>stalled <strong>in</strong> theMuseum of Military History <strong>in</strong> Dresden, redesigned by DanielLibesk<strong>in</strong>d and slated to open at the end of 2010. In this unf<strong>in</strong>ishedwork, violence is exaggerated to comic effect, as I sawwhen she showed me some digital clips.Born <strong>in</strong> Vancouver, <strong>Davenport</strong> holds a BFA from Toronto'sYork University and an MFA from the School of Visual <strong>Art</strong>s<strong>in</strong> New York. She lives <strong>in</strong> New York and has shown at NicoleKlagsbrun s<strong>in</strong>ce 2001. Her work has also been featured <strong>in</strong>the 2007 Istanbul Biennial and the 2008 Liverpool Biennial.She is <strong>in</strong> residence this year at the <strong>America</strong>n Academy <strong>in</strong>Rome, work<strong>in</strong>g on a project about the Roma (gypsies) liv<strong>in</strong>gon the periphery of the ancient city. The project, still untitled,is <strong>in</strong>fluenced by the films of Pier Paolo Pasol<strong>in</strong>i, many ofwhich were shot <strong>in</strong> that area.We spoke <strong>in</strong> her airy studio at the Academy, which offersviews down the Gianicolo and across the domes and towersof the city's churches. <strong>Davenport</strong> keeps her studiospare- there were a few cameras and a computer, and thewalls were bare but for several digital stills and detailed mapsof the city.DAVID COGGINS Tell me about theproposal that won the Prix de Rome.NANCY DAVENPORT It was someth<strong>in</strong>gI was th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g about for a longtime, <strong>in</strong>dependently of Rome; it didn'toccur to me to apply until a couple ofyears ago. The project that I proposedwas very specific-about the earlyworks of Pasol<strong>in</strong>i, the journalism, thepoetry and especially the early films,like Mamma Roma (1962). I wanted togo back to those neighborhoods andexam<strong>in</strong>e how the periphery of RomeMAno ART IN AMERICA 79


"THE ART WORLD SOMETIMES FINDS MY WORK TOO POLITICAL BUT ACTIVISTSDON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH ."Bombardment, 2001, C-pr<strong>in</strong>t,38 by 50 <strong>in</strong>ches,Right, Weekend Campus,2004, DVD, approx, 4 m<strong>in</strong>utes,All photos this article,unless otherwise noted,courtesy Nicole KlagsbrunGallery, New York,had shifted, and how the populationshad changed. I was also <strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong>f<strong>in</strong>d<strong>in</strong>g people who had been extras<strong>in</strong> his fi lms. There's a certa<strong>in</strong> generationof Romans who all claim a k<strong>in</strong>dof relationship with Pasol<strong>in</strong>i. Youwouldn't believe how often people <strong>in</strong>the fi lm community here say, "I knowsomebody who worked with Pasol<strong>in</strong>i."A lot of people have this connection.I'm <strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> exam<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g the generationof men who were boys at thetime of his films. As I've been here,80 ART IN AMERICA MAno


s<strong>in</strong>ce September, my ideas have beenchang<strong>in</strong>g very quickly.DC Is th at how you typically workstart<strong>in</strong>gwith a general idea andchang<strong>in</strong>g as you go along?N D Yes , that's pretty consistent.Workers , the project I showed at theLiverpool Biennial [2008], changeseach time I show it <strong>in</strong> terms of thenumber of projections, and becauseI film workers from the city where thepiece is to be shown.DC How do you prepare?ND I do a great deal of research .For this project I've been read<strong>in</strong>gabout the development of Romanurbanism. Much has been writtenabout the re lationship between c<strong>in</strong>emaand architecture <strong>in</strong> Rome, andabout the failures of certa<strong>in</strong> hous<strong>in</strong>gprojects. Rome developed very differentlyfrom other cities-it didn'thave the <strong>in</strong>dustrialization of Milan orParis. But there were moments historicallywhen populations were pushedout, literally, <strong>in</strong> one big shove to theperiphery-for example <strong>in</strong> 1925, whenMussol<strong>in</strong>i demolished the medievaland Renaissance houses around theColosseum and the Forum . So theperiphery itself developed <strong>in</strong> a way differentfrom that of other cities.More and more I'm go<strong>in</strong>g back toPasol<strong>in</strong>i's journalism, too. In addition toa regular column <strong>in</strong> the Corriere dellaSera , he wrote editorials, essays andfilm reviews for other papers, <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>gOffic<strong>in</strong>a , Vie nuove and many others,from the '50s through the '7Os . It'shard for us' to understand his importance<strong>in</strong> Italian culture because we'venever had a figure like that; he was soprophetic about the culture of globalismand consumerism. Sometimesyou can read his columns and, if youcrossed out specific names of neighborhoods,it could be someth<strong>in</strong>g youwould read today <strong>in</strong> the New YorkTimes. Now the tensions at the peripheryare different-it's more aboutissues of immigration and racism thanclass conflict.In terms of research , I'm also go<strong>in</strong>garound Rome to different neighborhoodsand <strong>in</strong>terview<strong>in</strong>g people. Themore I learn about the specific developmentand the politics of this situation,the more the issue of the Romacomes up. For example: Pasol<strong>in</strong>i shotAccattone [1961] <strong>in</strong> II Pigneto, a neighborhoodthat was a slum. Its historyis sort of like that of the East Village<strong>in</strong> terms of how it developed: it's acool place to live now, and much morediverse than the city's center-yousee African people and Ch<strong>in</strong>ese restaurants.The wife of Pasol<strong>in</strong>i's titlecharacter, Accattone, lived <strong>in</strong> II Pigneto,and it's exactly <strong>in</strong> that place that theRoma had a temporary encampmentfor a while <strong>in</strong> 2007. The issue of whatis happen<strong>in</strong>g with the Roma right nowis historically specific and complex,and the geography of the peripheryis very different and expanded, butmuch of what Pasol<strong>in</strong>i was concernedabout is relevant today <strong>in</strong> relation to theRoma community. Although my workIN THE STUDIOwill probably not address the Romaissue directly, it seems very importantto consider as I th<strong>in</strong>k about Rome'sdevelop<strong>in</strong>g periphery, Pasol<strong>in</strong>i 's methodof represent<strong>in</strong>g spaces of social subjectionand the city's failed attempts atrenewal and reform .DC What is your studio practice like atthe Academy?ND At this stage, I'm collect<strong>in</strong>g materialand experiment<strong>in</strong>g. At the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>gof all my projects, I do a lot of notationalwork, shoot<strong>in</strong>g with a small digitalcamera, try<strong>in</strong>g different variations <strong>in</strong>Photoshop and After Effects. ThenI go back to a site and shoot with alarger format camera. At first it's justmapp<strong>in</strong>g out what I want to go backto. Everyth<strong>in</strong>g is on the computer rightnow. I didn't br<strong>in</strong>g a lot of equipmentbecause I wanted to be less reliant onall the stuff that I usually use.DC At what po<strong>in</strong>t does the f<strong>in</strong>al shapeof the work become clear-whether itwill have multiple projections, say, orbe a 15-m<strong>in</strong>ute film?ND It depends on the project, ofcourse. Some commissions are veryspecific about what they entail. TheDresden project I'm currently work<strong>in</strong>gon , for <strong>in</strong>stance, has to be a certa<strong>in</strong>length and a self-conta<strong>in</strong>ed projection.It 's <strong>in</strong>spired by Chuck Jones.DC Tell me more about that.ND The commission is for the newDresden Museum of Military History.My piece-which is still very much<strong>in</strong> progress, so some th<strong>in</strong>gs mightchange-will be based on one fictionalMAY'1O ART IN AMERICA 8 1


Above, Study (Dresdencommission), 2010.Courtesy the artist.Opposite top and bottom,stills from Workers (leav<strong>in</strong>g thefactory), 2007, multichannelvideo <strong>in</strong>stallation.character who is completely obsessedwith carry<strong>in</strong>g out a series of quasisituationist,quasi-UMTV's Jackass"schemes <strong>in</strong>spired by the classic ChuckJones Road Runner/ Wile E. Coyotecartoons. Like Jones's Coyote, mycharacter is luckless and <strong>in</strong>ept, andhis violence always bounces back tohimself- back to some self-<strong>in</strong>flictedchaos. But unlike the Jones cartoons,my proposed animations will have noRoad Runner. My coyote subject willoperate schizophrenically from bothsides. He will be stalk<strong>in</strong>g himself andmultiplied <strong>in</strong> every role. The backgroundfor his actions will be the verymuseum where it will be shown-an<strong>in</strong>credible build<strong>in</strong>g designed by DanielLibesk<strong>in</strong>d and currently under construction.So, the action <strong>in</strong> the piecewill be tak<strong>in</strong>g place <strong>in</strong> the Libesk<strong>in</strong>dbuild<strong>in</strong>g while it's be<strong>in</strong>g built.DC Shift<strong>in</strong>g gears from animation , canyou talk about your relationship withdocumentary film? Is that an associationyou resist?ND That's someth<strong>in</strong>g I th<strong>in</strong>k aboutall the time-creat<strong>in</strong>g someth<strong>in</strong>g thatcomes from a documentary traditionbut isn't concerned with conventionaldocumentary structure or style. I th<strong>in</strong>kabout ethics and power relationships.Very few of Pasol<strong>in</strong>i 's actors wereprofessionals, and he always shot onlocation, as opposed to Fell<strong>in</strong>i, whobuilt an entire section of the Via Venetoon the set. Pasol<strong>in</strong>i grew more andmore allegorical, so his realism refusednaturalism. I'm <strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> that aspectof his legacy. I'm certa<strong>in</strong>ly struggl<strong>in</strong>gwith ways to represent these nomadicpopulations without fall<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>to easilyconsumable cliches. Pasol<strong>in</strong>i'swork expressed the contradictions ofthe time. I keep hop<strong>in</strong>g that, <strong>in</strong> thatspirit. I can show the contradictions asopposed to a simple political viewpo<strong>in</strong>t.It's almost a cliche about political art: ifit embraces openness and ambiguity,then people tend to read <strong>in</strong>to it whatthey want. The art world sometimesf<strong>in</strong>ds my work too political but activistsdon't th<strong>in</strong>k it goes far enough.DC Does even call<strong>in</strong>g a work politicalchange the audience's expectations?ND I don't know.DC Do you consider yourself political?ND I wouldn't use that term. I've beenth<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g about the territory betweenphotography and film, the impact ofdigital technolog'y on the temporalityof the photograph- that photographyis a medium <strong>in</strong> transformation and that82 ART IN AMERICA MAY'lO


IN THE STUDIO"I'M INTERESTED IN THE CONGESTED TEMPORALITY OF DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHS.WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS NEW ESTHETIC OF SMOOTHNESS AND ERASURE?"it 's important to consider the shift<strong>in</strong>gboundaries between different technologies.In terms of my own work,I th<strong>in</strong>k the opposition between the stilland mov<strong>in</strong>g image provides an <strong>in</strong>terest<strong>in</strong>gway to explore certa<strong>in</strong> chang<strong>in</strong>gsocial oppositions-like progress versusthe experience of social paralysis.I'm drawn to depict<strong>in</strong>g subjects thatemphasize opposed or seem<strong>in</strong>gly contradictoryideas.DC Your work <strong>in</strong>cludes many referencesto the history of c<strong>in</strong>ema, andyet you're often address<strong>in</strong>g very contemporaryissues, like migration andglobalization.N D Each reference serves its ownpurpose. In Godard's Weekend [1967],that long track<strong>in</strong>g shot was an <strong>in</strong>credible<strong>in</strong>ventory of 1967 French societyright before the events of 1968. Thereare significant changes <strong>in</strong> my videoWeekend Campus: <strong>in</strong>stead of theFrench countryside it's a university, and<strong>in</strong>stead of a country population it's astudent body. References focus atten ­tion on different layers <strong>in</strong> the work.Louis Lumiere's film Workers Leav<strong>in</strong>gthe Lumil3re Factory [1895] representsan emerg<strong>in</strong>g class <strong>in</strong> motion-atthe very historical moment so oftendescribed as the beg<strong>in</strong>n<strong>in</strong>g of themodernization of urban experience. Itdirectly reflected an uncerta<strong>in</strong>ty andfluidity of class boundaries that wascharacteristic of the late 19th century.I also had stylistic and structural<strong>in</strong>terests: my piece Workers has aclear reference, when the workersare sent <strong>in</strong>to orbit, to another sem<strong>in</strong>alfilm of the same period-GeorgesMelies's Voyage to the Moon [1902].The Lumiere brothers and Melies formone of the orig<strong>in</strong>al polarities <strong>in</strong> film history-adichotomy often expressed as


the tension between the actual andthe fantastic, between documentaryrealism and expressionism, betweenthe "cut" and "objective" or straightdocumentation. I feel that these arefalse dichotomies- or, at least, thatthese th<strong>in</strong>gs do not have to be mutuallyexclusive- which certa<strong>in</strong>ly relatesto my <strong>in</strong>terest <strong>in</strong> Pasol<strong>in</strong>i's realism .By referenc<strong>in</strong>g aspects of these twoiconic films with<strong>in</strong> a transformed andcontemporary framework, I wantedto evoke maybe a t<strong>in</strong>y bit of the complexityof our globaliz<strong>in</strong>g culture andeconomics, this constantly chang<strong>in</strong>gsystem of delocalization and laborflows. I wanted to raise questionsregard<strong>in</strong>g our present moment of capitalistdevelopment, but with humor.I wasn 't <strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> mak<strong>in</strong>g a moraliz<strong>in</strong>gpiece nor, of course, some naivecelebration of this complex issue.I also hoped to raise questions aboutthe historical representation of labor.I really hoped to avoid cliches <strong>in</strong> represent<strong>in</strong>glabor, like the heroic worker,the redemption of labor, or, on theother side, the victim , the exploited.For the first iteration of Workers ,the project focused on two locations:I visited the Ardal factory <strong>in</strong> Norwayright before it closed down. The townof Ardal is completely dependentupon the auto <strong>in</strong>dustry. In Ch<strong>in</strong>a, Ivisited the company's new factory <strong>in</strong>Xi'an, which is now experienc<strong>in</strong>g thesame k<strong>in</strong>d of economic boom thatShanghai and Beij<strong>in</strong>g went througha few years ago. So, for the firstsequence of Workers , I made a k<strong>in</strong>dof virtual rest area, <strong>in</strong>corporat<strong>in</strong>gphotographic elements from the twolocations-portraits of the Norwegianworkers whose jobs are be<strong>in</strong>g phasedout and portraits of the Ch<strong>in</strong>ese workerswho are just start<strong>in</strong>g at theirs.DC How has be<strong>in</strong>g at the Academyaffected your work? What 's it li ke be<strong>in</strong>gThis spread, stills from Workers(Liverpool animation), 2008,multichannel video <strong>in</strong>stallation.DAVID COGGINS is awriter who lives <strong>in</strong> New York.84 ART IN AMERICA MAY'10


"WORKERS CHANGES EACH TIME I SHOW IT, BECAUSE I FILM WORKERS FROM THE CITYWHERE THE PROJECT IS TO BE SHOWN."with historians and other scholars?ND It 's been a wonderful surprise.I didn't know that Luca' Cam<strong>in</strong>ati wasgo<strong>in</strong>g to be here- he's a film scholarwho wrote a book about Pasol<strong>in</strong>i. He'sbeen an <strong>in</strong>credible resource.DC And what effect has liv<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>Rome had on your work?ND Be<strong>in</strong>g here, I've become very<strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> an age-old problem withthe city-the relationship betweenthe centro and the rest of the city.There is a Byronic approach, theromantic approach, to the ru<strong>in</strong>s ofthe city. Lampedusa was alienatedby the center. For years people havebeen writ<strong>in</strong>g about this Disneylandand consumer place. This is not justa question that arises <strong>in</strong> the '50s- it'sbeen an issue for centuries. Even <strong>in</strong>the Academy's relationship with thecenter, there's a k<strong>in</strong>d of distance. It 'sdifficult to be unaware of the privilegeof li v<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> this villa <strong>in</strong> the richestneighborhood versus the walls or barriersbuilt around the Roma people,isolat<strong>in</strong>g them <strong>in</strong> camps.DC Tell me about the Roma.ND I'm still <strong>in</strong> the process of learn<strong>in</strong>g,but the terms gypsy or nomadiare considered derogatory. Theyrefer to themselves as Roma. That'snot a refere nce to Rome; the literaltranslation is "man ." It 's a diversegroup of people, not just Romanians.There are 14 camps spread aroundthe city- yo u can see them onGoogle Earth-and they have differentlevels of legitimacy. Some arevery barrackslike, some are temporary,some are not recognized by thegovernment at all. As the peripheryhas turned <strong>in</strong>to the suburbs, there'smore of a right-w<strong>in</strong>g feel<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> a lot ofplaces. That's a generalization, butjust driv<strong>in</strong>g by Corviale, an <strong>in</strong>famouskilometer-long failure of a hous<strong>in</strong>gproject built <strong>in</strong> the '70s along whatwas then the periphery, you can seethat the fourth floor, which was supposedto be shops, is occupied bysquatters. But there's also a rightw<strong>in</strong>gpolitical party based there.DC What happens when reality<strong>in</strong>trudes on your projects? Can youtalk about "apartments," and howSept. 11 affected <strong>in</strong>terpretations ofthe work?ND That body of work is about therepetition of social crisis and how,with the rise of digital photography,there was a certa<strong>in</strong> loss of thereal - or lost illusions of the real. I was<strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong> how those lost illusionsof the real related to lost politicalillusions. It was right after the antiglobalizationriots <strong>in</strong> Seattle, and itwas a very specific political moment.I wanted to explore this ever-repeat<strong>in</strong>gsocial crisis, the history of terrorismand even the history of performanceart. I can speak about those <strong>in</strong>tentionsand those references until I'mblue <strong>in</strong> the face, but <strong>in</strong> the end the<strong>in</strong>terpretation of my work is out ofmy control. That work wi ll probablyalways be seen through the lens of9/11 . It was also shown <strong>in</strong> Italy [atPhoto & Contemporary, <strong>in</strong> Tur<strong>in</strong>, <strong>in</strong>2002], which has its own history ofterrorism, so the <strong>in</strong>terpretations keepchang<strong>in</strong>g.DC When these chang<strong>in</strong>g associationswere made, did it feel like yourwork had become impossibly fluid?ND Yes. It was a really important lessonabout the quagmire of topicality.I'm not mak<strong>in</strong>g work about Berlusconior someth<strong>in</strong>g like that. I don't meanfor my work to be topical, but itbecame so. And I th<strong>in</strong>k that is a hugeproblem and hugely limit<strong>in</strong>g.DC Can you talk about work<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>digital photography as it relates to"lost illusions of the real ," as you putit earlier?ND I'm not th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g about the work <strong>in</strong>terms of a social witness<strong>in</strong>g function .Everyth<strong>in</strong>g I do is highly manipulated.I th<strong>in</strong>k it's a generational th<strong>in</strong>g- this isthe new normal photography. I'm notso nostalgic for the darkroom. I stillshoot on film because I th<strong>in</strong>k it looksbetter. There are important shifts <strong>in</strong>go<strong>in</strong>g from analog to digital. I'm <strong>in</strong>terested<strong>in</strong> the congested temporality ofdigital photographs. Anyone can readthem as digital collage and yet thereare no seams, there's no rupture.What happens with this new estheticof smoothness and erasure? It 's very<strong>in</strong>terest<strong>in</strong>g how you read that. Whatk<strong>in</strong>d of temporality does a digitalphotograph have? 0

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