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Pénine-Joie MUTETELI
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Speaker: Noel HITIMANA, an RTLM journalist
This is Radio RTLM, itis ten minutes pasthree here in Kîgali. Actually, we have
reserved this day to peace-and-unity-loving MRND members. You bave listened to their
leaders’ speeches here at the Kigali regional stadium and the discussions they had with
their members. Ris true thathe rallies have their stamp of approval. Itis during a rally
that people showhat is on their on their mind and thathey are genuine members. As
MUGENZI bas just said, if you are invited to a rally, and you know the concerns of the
organizers of the rally, you will not hesitate to tell them ail the truth about the prevailing
situation in your own party. You have just listened to MUGENZI’s view abouthe
procedure of setting up a party’s institutions and legal representation. We have rules and
regulations in out party. We have our own ideology. For their part, the MRND, MDR,
PSD, and PDC ail bave theirs. In short, ail the parties have their ideologies. Their
founders created them after serious reflection and after infusion of some ideology into
them, didn’t they? Thus, any person who does not comply with the party’s ideology or
any person who is expelled from the party should leave because the party is nobody’s
property. Hein! (laughter) No one bought the party, lndeed, the party is like
cooperative. When the cooperative is tired of you, you leave. Hum!
You have just listened to MUGENZI. But as I told you earlier, Mathieu
NGIRUMPATSE was the toaster of ceremony in charge of these festivities. In short, he
has been directing them and he will have the last closing remarks as the chief.
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In his speech, he firsthanked those who were in attendance. He thanked especially
persons who were not members of his party, who had tome to support him. He then went
on: "I also thank Justin MUGENZI who is here presenthough a PL party member". I
bave introduced to you other persons here present who are members of other parties.
Since this morning, I have been introducing them to you as they arrived. Let us now
lïsten to the elosing remarks of the MRND Party Chairman.
Mathieu NGIRUMPATSE, MRND Chairman:
... and other friendly personalities who have taken the floor and who, on behalf of
MUGENZI, Chairman of the Parti Libéral, said very kind words about us. (Applause).
Today, we have to cast a glance at the past. When you walk so often on the hills, you end
up believing they are ail the same whereas there is a long distance between them. When
you travel so often abroad, you end up believing ail peoples are the saine whereas they
are not cousins. You suddenly tome to a crossroads and you think it looks likes the one
you saw in another land. At this point in rime, we are at similar crossroads and I want us
to cast a glance at the past and learn a lesson.
ïn 1958 and 1959, some individuals wen to Nyanzand told the authorities at tha time
that there was a problem. They said some people were oppressed and exploited by
others, tha they were flogged while others lived in slavery that had already been
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abolished. The authorities at tha time answered: "Go your way, let the farmers go on
farming and let those who are serving others accepto cio so, there is no problem".
Currently, some people are getting ready to lead because they believed tha they have
finally reached that stage. When they are told not to rush things because there are
problems within the parties, they retorted: "Le those who wan to die do so and those
who are in servitude should stay there, there is no problem, we must inevitably take over
power." (a short break).
You will also recall that at that rime, after the 1959 disturbances broke out, some persons
retired into a house in Kavumu and started compiling a list of people who had to die and
who were subsequently ldlled.
For now, we observe that some individuals who feel power has eluded them because the
people do hOt accepthem, have started compiling lists of persons who have to die.
Think, look back and you will realize tha thosevents we went through can reoccur.
Those who compile the lists of persons tobe killed should sit at the place where they did
it and think of what happened to those who compiled the 1959 lists. (applause).
We cannot claire therefore tha there is safety while we are planning to compile lists of
persons to e×terminate. The blood of President HABYARIMANA, lustin MUGENZI,
Mathieu NGIRUMPATSE, KAREMERA, KABAGENI, NZIRORERA and the blood of
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MRND members will not at ail wipe off the Republic (applause). My fear, and this
what I keep telling the people, is that if ever this blood was shed, they would not benefit
from it, just like those who killed NDADAYE. (applause and comments).
I would aiso like to remind you tha the UN Forces came here in 1960 and 1961 and have
now corne back, in response to the call of the same persons. It should be recalled that at
tha time, the opinions of Rwandan delegates to the UN did not count whereas the
opinions of others were taken into consideration. Now, they have also started teUing the
UN soldiers that the MRND is made up of Interahamwe who want to reduce the country
to ashes. How tan we destroy the country when we are the country t (applause and
comments).
Another event we should remember from our pastis that in 1959, some people neglected
the people’s wish and enthroned someone behind the back of the Whites. They lied to
the Whites tha they had enthroned him under unclear circumstances. The saine thing is
happening today, some persons want to bring someone to power while the people are
saying there is a problem. They should first stop thesenthronements and seek first
solutions to the problems plaguing the parties as pointed out by the President of the
Republic. Those who object should refer the matter to the judiciary. (applause).
The situation
thatime, it should be recalled, is that some persons reported thathere
were problems while some were saying there were no problems, that the only problem
was the "White man". What is funny is that we are now running to the "White man"
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whom we drove out in the past. Now, people are singjng "there is no problem, the only
problem is the MRND and President HABYARIMANA as well as certain political
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parties who wan thwart the putting
place of the transitional broad-based mstatut~on .
Dear members, dear brothers, I ara asking ),ou to cast a glance at the past. You will
realize that we are going through difficult moments and those who are dragging us into
them are doing so deliberately. However,
do hot sec again some persons, the socalled
intellectuals, this year 1994 and next year, drive away members of the population
as was the case in 1959 and 1960 and tell them the UN will repatriate them. Similarly,
we do not wan the so-called intellectuals lie to the refugees thathey are going to
repatriate them, tha they are going to take power by force, thus dragging them once
again into a disastrous situation. That is not the type of peace we want. These so-called
intellectuals who lie to the people, singing and shouting tha they will bring democraey,
tha they are coming to overthrow the dictatorship while theirs is wearing us down even
before they get to power, should no longer count on anything whatsoever. (applause).
Dear members and brothers, we believe that what could restore peace is for people to sit
down together, discuss and share power effectively and equitably without having to kill
one another. Indeed, they are preparing massacres and I said we left after we had
accepted the Arusha Accords for the Rwandans to have peace, and we have
acknowledged that up till now. However, I should add that there is no law that compels
any party to take part in the government, nor is there any law that forces any party to
remain there. So, no dictatorship. We are seeking and working for peace. Ail MNRD
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members have set an objective tha they will not cause trouble and would hOt like anyone
fo cause them any.
What can we say about people who went abou telling the UN soldiers and the
Representative of the Secretary General that the MNRD is getting ready for combat, that
they are distributing weapons here and there, that we are carrying out military training
every day and so forth ... ọne would have the impression we are no longer working!
These people will pay dearly for the rumours they are peddling, like the rumours in 1960
and 1961. During my last visito the UN, for one reason or the other, I wen to look
through the UN Archives regarding the 1960 and 1961 elections and round out that the
outrent lies are the same as the ones of that period.
Do they want us to go back to the 1960 situation? Are today’s liars those of 19602 We
think these lieshould disappear. MRND is on top of the list of political parties that
supported the sending of UN forces. We told the UN forces that we would be the firsto
help them in accomplishing their mission and they would leave after the elections. We
are reaffirming this position and we will help them. However,
are requesting them
hot to pay attention to people’s lies and hOt to be distracted by those who are saying that
we are preparing attacks and massacres, whereas they are compiling lists of people to
eliminate. We are asking these Forces hOt tobe distracted and create any opening for
those who are compiling lists while they are saying we are preparing bad things...so that
they Inight not be aware of the real situation until itis already toc) late.
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Dear members and brothers, we accepted the UN Force because the UN Security Council
had ruade provisions for it. However,
are surprised by the reaction of our friends, the
lnkotanyi with whom we are going to form the govemment, when they say they do not
wanthis or that country and especially Togo.
Have you ever heard that Togo carne to fight in Mutara or that it attacked anyone in this
part of Africa? We accepted all countries. If they too want peace and if they have put a
stop to dictatorship, they should accept that ail countries be part of the UN peacekeeping
force in this country.
With regard to the issue of security to which they often refer, this is only to distract the
people. I told you abouthe lists that are being compiled. It would be good if these
people, who spend their time in radio station studios trying to resolve disputes when they
are not judges, trying to lead politieal parties that did not eleet them, rather takeare of
the security of the population. They should look for those who are compiling these lists
and if need be, get in touch with us so that we tan show them who they are.
Dear members and brothers, it is getting late and I do not wanto take your patience for
granted. Ail I wanto tell you is thatoday’s lesson is that you should cast a glance to
the past and sec that we are now at a crossroads in the history of our country and thathe
events of 1959, 1960 and 1961 that we wenthrough are abouto reoccur. Ifwe do not
adopthe right attitude, because (cough) like the Kamarampaka (referendum) which
an end to the UN mission in 1960 and 1961, another Kamarampaka (referendum) will put
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an end to the UN mission in 1993, 1994 and 1995. (applause). I am not going to tell you
how we are going to proceed with this Kamarampaka. The first Viee-Chairman
KAREMERA reminded you that "you should never forget". You will never forgethat
we are now at a crossroads and tha the first UN mission left for the same reason the
second UN mission will leave. Happy Sunday (applause).
(Song: our Movement, new formula, stay strong).
Noel HITIMANA, RTLM journalist:
It is hall pasthree here in Kigali. Ail the events tha took place today at Nyamirambo... !
Wê did not stay long enough to record the Irindiro ballet so that you we tan play the
songs for you. Ehl You will be listening to the Irindiro ballet from rime to rime on your
radio station, the RTLM. The ballet has a variety of music, but we lefthe place while
ballet members were still dancing and entertaining. Eh t They wore animal skin like our
grandmothers in the past. They were well dressed. At times, our radio station, your
radio, radio RTLM will be broadcasting your favourite programmes and favourite topics
from other sources. Moreover, someone has just phoned to ask me: "Why does
MUGENZI not organize his own rallies and make such statements there?" I told him
MUGENZI can express himself anywhere,
does not have to do it in a PL rally. He tan
speak in an MRND rally just as in an MDR rally if he is ever given the floor. MUGENZI
has just raised questions. Those who are uncomfortable with MUGENZI should examine
their conscience. That is the democratic game. That journalist was sad. I asked him too
to searchis conscience because MUGENZI told him ail the truth. MUGENZI will tell
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them the truth and if they are not careful, he will reveal ail their secrets because he knows
them. He knows the Tutsis and the Hutus. MUGENZI is someone who tan tell us to
beware of so andso and he will sa), it. What elset Let us listen to the message of this
pupil.., is it no truc that we are in a deadlock? If we are not in a deadlock, we could eat,
sleep and be peaceful as before. In the past, we were told there was only one party, the
MRND. However, I who have just spent more than twenty rive years in Kigali, I have an
idea. I used to leave Gikondo for Nyamirambo ail night, without any problem. But once
they talked of war breaking out and the advent of multiparty politics, I am telling you the
truth and those in Kigali know this, it was no longer easy to move around at night.
Nevertheless, we are looking for peace and we will achieve it through multiparty politics,
the path we have ’charted for ourselves.
This child, MUBILIGI... (Happy New Year, General).
Kantano HABIMANA, an RTLM journalist:
Radio Libre on a thousand hills, great Radio station, Radio 106 broadcasting from Kigali.
Ït is now thirty-five minutes past seven at Radio RTLM broadcasting from Kigali. Here is
the news in Kinyarwanda, read to you by Kantano HABIMANA.
The MRND party organized a rally today at Kigali Ville Préfecture and surrounding
communes. The rally was quiet and peaceful. Among those who took the floor were
obviously the MRND party leaders at the national level. However,
tan sa)’ that
certain Justin MUGENZI, the legally recognized Chairman of the PL, made an impact
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there and was well acclaimed. He took the floor there. After other news items, in a short
while, I will give him the floor and we are going to listen to him.
Then, the other highlight of the rally is the infiltration oflnkotanyi into the ranks of the
MRND. The Inkotanyi beat an Interahamwe up and he fell unconscious, i.e. he went into
coma. The other lnterahamwe then took him to the hospital. But those who beat the man
have been identified. The man who was attacked did not know what happened to him.
At the hospital, he was introduced to a doctor. Wait a minute, let me try to remember his
name. It is Doctor MUVUNYI, MUVUNYI who was on duty with his nurses. They
refused to trea the injured man. "W~ cannotreat an terahamwe, they smd. So that is
how the rally went: quiet initially, and then, towards the end, this attack.
People are wondering how the Inkotanyi could infiltrate the ranks of another political
party, and kill someone who was one of their members, on the grounds that he had joined
the MRND thoug he was a Tutsi.
We have received another news item from the PDI party. The provisional executive
committee of the Parti pour la Démocratie Islamique (PDI), met in an extraordinary
session. As indicated
the press release we have just reeeived, the provisional
executive committee of the PDI met today under the leadership of the Deputy
Coordinator, Sheikh Djuma KIBATA, at the request of the PDI Coordinator, André
BUMAYA, who was unable to mm up.
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~e moeting was he]d at the ~gali Ville Préfecture office. Party representafives in the
préfecmres were invited there.
Af-ter sharing their views on the items on the agenda, the provisional executive committee
adopted the following resolutions:
First: Ail the illegal decisions formerly taken by the provisional executive committee are
null and void.
Second: In view of the irregularities observed in the running of the executive committee,
file meeting of the provisional executive committee decided to suspend the members of
the said provisional exeeutive committee (sic).
Third: Pending the outcome of the discussions of the members of the provisional
executive committee of the PDI on the candidate who will represent the party within the
transitional National Assembly extended to the RPF, it ",vas decided tha they would me, et
on Tuesday, 18 January 1994 in an extraordinary meeting. PDI representatives in the
pr6fectures were urged to attend.
Actually, if you look closely at this press release, you will realize that PDI party members
bave not yet agreed on the person to represent them within the National Assembly
extended to the Inkotanyi... People have been chosen in sueh an irregular manner ...
some were chosen by their husbands or by their wives and that was accepted. Agreement
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bas not yet been reached as to who will represent the PDI within the Assembly. They can
choose the candidate from the list published by the President of the Republic. They tan
remove a name and replace it with another. There is no doubtha the situation is still
alarming espeeially after finding out abouthe RPF-Inkotanyi’s trick.
It is not only the PDI that discovered the RPF-lnkotanyi’s gimmick, the PL also did. A
certain Justin MUGENZI has taken a close look at the situation and round out that it was
serïous. Some people have promised to give power to the RPF on a platter of gold. But
Justin MUGENZI said: "I, Justin MUGENZI, Chairman of the Parti Libéral, a party
which I personally founded, I will not be one of those who will sell the Republie, one of
those Hutus who will sell the Republic, one of those Hutus who will deliver the country
to the RPF-Inkotanyi. Please listen to the speeehe made during an MRND rally. But
that does not mean he has joined the MRND. The Parti Libéral is an independent party.
He was given the floor and he courageously made his speech. Let us listen to him!
Justin MUGENZI, Chairman of the Parti Libéral:
,.. We have been listening to several radio stations. The PLi said to be impeding the
putting
place of transitional institutions...
Noel HITIMANA, an RTLM journalist:
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It is twenty-five minutes past nine here in our studio in Kigali, precisely twenty seconds
to nine twenty rive. Yes, here in Kigali, you bave just listened to Justin MUGENZI on
your RTLM radio station. I was telling you that a certain radio station was abouto air
his message. I do hOt know what happened to them because, suddenly, they reported a
technical hitchF Eh, eh. I laughed! I laughed because for me saying the truth should hOt
affect good neighboudiness. It was hOt a technical hitch! But as you bave just heard,
MUGENZI told you that he took those men, the NGANGOs, the TWANGIRAMUNGUs
and others all the way to Brussels, Hum? He ate the money. "I took them to Brussels
where they met with the Inkotanyi’. Since then, the Inkotanyi have agreed to negotiate
with us in order to put an end to the war. It is I, MUGENZI, who did it, it is me who led
them. You will realize therefore that...
That people tumed against this man and said they would not cooperate with him even
thoughe led them to the negotiating table is a political man uvre. Let them go ahead
with those manoeuvres, that is their business! Some persons have chosen to join the team
playing on the rield while others preferred to play outside the field. He (MUGENZI) has
decïded to play on the field. Are you wondering why? And MUGENZI replied: "Atone
point, these issues were raised before the UN. The UN delegation is here in Kigali. And
MUGENZI went on: "I raised these issues before the UN. We invited the UN in ortier to
reconcile us, so that within our party, we could iron out our differences".
What happened? The UN team itself came here and they are still around. They brought
us together withLando in order to reconcile us, so that we could iron out our differences
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but Lando banged the door and left...’" A participant at the meeting pinched me and told
me: "You(MUGENZI)
flave just scored a goal, a superb goal" and I (MUGENZI)
replied: "Why should I net continue
tha track since I have been scoring goals?"
Yesterday, I Gournalist) learnthat he (MUGENZI) scored another goal. They should
explain things te one another se tha they know where they went wrong, they should
refrain especially frein saying publicly thathe organization of this congress tha the
notary public did net want te approve was a mistake. Hum? He (LANDO) confessed
that they made mistakes.
How, as a politician, how can you invite an entire country’s population te hold a congress
and elect its representatives and later claire tha the money was wasted, that you were
mistaken? That is the serious mistake Lande ruade. Let him repent! And if he falls a
vïctim thereof,
must have ruade it anyway, on the radio. (A short break)
Justin MUGENZI, PI, Chairman:
...list of your paxliamentarians. I have sent him the list. Fie will submit
te the
President of the Republic in writing.
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Andr~ NTAGERURA, Minister:
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... I am not talking about MRND ministers only. I ara talking about PL ministers and
PDC minister. Others will follow. We asked her to promptly convene a cabinet meeting
to look closely, wisely and impartially into the problems facing our country.
What are the problems? This lady, whom we ail respect at any rate, I mean we members
of the govemment she is leadîng, until she tells us she is resigning, we are determined to
do so. The lady enumerated the problems.
- She said security was inadequate
the country
- She said the country’s economy was in a bad shape
After ail of that, she is looking for a scapegoat in the President of the Republic, saying
that he has the solution. What happened to the magie solutions they were talking about?
Are they not good? If they are not good, they should invent others. We told her tha the
remedy is within the government. We asked her not to keep the problems to herself. The
problems are the country’s. They should be resolved by the government.
Among the problems she was determined to solve when she took the oath was insecurity.
She took the oath to restore security but she has failed. If she failed, she should convene
a cabinet meeting. We have a minister of defence; we have a minister (applause) of the
ïnterior. The PL has the minister of justice. But this lady did not convene them though
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that is part of her duties. Who is making the security situation worse? It is the pcrson
who should coordinate government’s action. Itis Mrs. Agathe UWILINGIYIMANA
(applause). Let her stop looking for the causelsewhere, where there are no problems.
We are determined to help her, she should come close to us. She should listen to us. A
word is enough for the wise! (applause).
Dear Members,
With regard to the country’s economy, when she realized that the problems were getting
complicated, she was afraid to notify the government because there are some people she
fears or does not wanto listen to. She rather said thateachers did not receive their
salaries because a new government was not in place.
Article 8 of the Arusha Accord is however there. If she knows how to read, she should
be aware of it. If she has good advisers (we wonder if her advisers wen to school but we
cannotell), she should convene a meeting of the government in place.
If teachers did not receive their salades in December, it is not because the government
was not in place. The government was in place in early December. If that is what she
wants, she should stop telling lies to the population and tell the truth.
There is also the issue of the annual salary bonus for the month of January. The Minister
of Finance,
collaboration with the Minister of Planning prepared it. She should
convene a meeting so that we could consider this annual salary bonus and see if the
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money is avaJlable, unless the Minister of Finance who bas been worldng toge~er with
her said the money is longer available. She should say so, she should show it insSead of
telling lies abouthe President of the Republic.
Dear Members,
This document is long, I cannot say more about it here. You will have it and read it. I am
sure you will understand it.
I would also like to tell you thathis woman, this lady (laughter), is doing ail she can
divide our ministers, whereas they are lnterahamwe.
We have donc ail we can but with the warped machinations
Arushand here in Kigali
wïthin the parties that you know, they wan to get rid of some of you. There is no
problem, the MRND accepted it. But the Prime Minister took the microphone and said
some of you have been wronged, that certain individuals cannot work, cannotake part in
the govemment couneil because they have been sacked. She is mistaken. There are nine
of us and we are ail lnterahamwe. (applause and comments). We will continue to work
together; we will cooperate, whether we are within the govemment or without. We will
continue to work together with other ministers who are increasingly associating with us
and who understand that we are pursuing the same objective.
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They are saying they will expel the MRND people. CaB they expel us? (applause and
comments). That will not be possible. If tfley expel us from govemment they will find
us in business (applause and comments). If they expel us ri’oto govemment they will find
us in the university (applause and comments). If they expel from govemmeBt they will
find us in agriculture (applause and commenl~). How wîll they go about it? It is not
possible. We will remain Interahamwe (applause).
Dear Members,
I would like, in conclusion, to say a word, but with the permission of the MRND
Chairman in Cyangugu. After browsing through the agenda, where he did not find his
name, he gave me a message for you. Yesterday, we went to Kinyaga to sensitize the
members to the objectives of the movement. They were already immersed in it, down to
the small child. Did you not sec that? (applause). From the sucking baby to the old man,
the MRND is on top. (applanse and comments).
We told them the current state of affairs. We showed them the problems certain
individuals are causing this country. They understood and told us they were aware of all
of that. However, they told us that we were on the cutting edge. They support the war we
are waging. They said if the need arises, we should "give the signal" and the entire
Cyangugu population will be here. (applause and comments). They asked us to thank ail
the MRND leaders and members. ’çake heart and Happy New Ye
ar 1994, " they said.
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Thank you and long life. (applause and comments).
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Unidentifîed Speaker:
ï would like ...
Noel HITIMANA, RTLM journalist:
...RTLM, in fifteen minutes, it will be three o’ clock here in Kigali. Today, we have
spenthe day together and had discussions. You have heard those who love their party,
MRND, and those who do not like it... yes, those who do not like it. You know that here
in Rwanda, the MRND is a party ruade up of Hutus, Twas and Tutsis. It is a party that
promotes peace and unity. Any person who does not seek peace and unity cannot be
admitted. Perhaps that person is looking for war...but in fact, I cio not kno where that
wil lead any person looking for war in this country. Even the Inkotanyi who wanted war
have failed and they have gone to Asusha ... for negotiations. Hum? At last, they
returned home. I told you they are going to enter int other negotiations. Hum? (sic)
told you that we were expecting other agreements to be signed here in Kigali but you
have heard the President of the Republic saying tha these agreements are ready and
betweenow and Thursday the 20th, barring unforeseeable circumstances, the agreements
will be signed and people will take the oath. I think we are moving close to a seulement.
It is in this context thathe Chairman of the Parti Libéral (PL), Justin MUGENZI stated:
"We have always, within the PL, my colleagues and I Justin MUGENZI, the Legal
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Representative, Chairman and one of the party founders, been law-abiding". Let us listen
to him!
Justin MUGENZI, PL Chairman:
...He cannot make the mistake of suspending the organs (of power) of his own accord,
without reason. The PLis not an enemy of Rwanda, ail the party is doing, (applause and
comments), ail PL’s action is geared towards development and if I tan talk to you about
it briefly, you will sec thathe PL has never stopped and will never stop to support the
country in staying on the path charted by the founding fathers,
path of peace, unity
and development (applause and comments).
I wan to talk abouthe accusation often leveled against us by the Prime Minister, Mrs.
Agathe UWlLINGIYIMANA, supported by the Prime Minister of the broad-based
government, Mr. Faustin TWAGIRAMUNGU. They say it is the PL that delayed the
establishment of these institutions by producing two lists of parliamentarians. Let tell
you clearly that it is rather Mrs. Agathe UWILINGIYIMANA and Faustin
TWAGIRAMUNGU who delayed the process. And ail that is being said abou the PL
and the President of the Republic and so on is nothing but a tissue of lies. (applanse and
comments). But do you wonder why? (applause and comments).
The Prime Minister, Mrs. Agathe UWILINGIYIMANA wrote me a letterecently, and to
the leaders of other political parties, asking us to give her the list of out parliamentarians.
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The list was sen to her and when she wrote to forward the lis to the President of the
Republic, she sent two lists. Do not ask me where the second list came from! (applause
and comments). She then forwarded the two lists to the Prcsident saying tha those were
the lists of parliamentarians but that she had a problem with the PL which submitted t~o
lists. It is as if she was asldng the President to make a choice.
The following day, 27 December, there was a meeting of political parties presided over
by the President of the Republic. At the meeting, it was decided that only the recognized
leadership of the party is authorized to represent the party and it is the leadership that
should submithe lists. Mrs. UWILINGIYIMANA found herself caught in the trap she
had set for the President (applause and comments). She then changed tactics and decided
to refer the matter to a man called KAVARUGANDA, a sworn enemy of
HABYARIMANA. But this time around, she was careful to send only one list and hid
the one I had compiled whereas I was the Chairman of the Party. She sent a list compiled
by people who do hOt have any connection with the party leadership; she then asked
KAVARUGANDA to stamp the letter ... list. KAVARUGANDA stamped it and gave it
back to her. Mrs. UWILINGIYIMANA was no longer happy because the list bore the
seai of the President of the Constitutional Court. And so the lie was exposed.
KAVARUGANDA (applause) gave back to the Prime Minister the list she had given
him, without any form of proceedings, without comments, without even giving ber back
the two lists as she had done to the President of the Republic. She did not even say: "I
had sento you two lists and this is the one that was chosen!" In conclusion, she said the
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President of the Supreme Court (sic) has approved the list. This is the lie, a shameless
lïe. (applause and comments).
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But we do not want any petty quarrel. Among the laws goveming our country, there are
some that were not amended in Arusha, including the law on politieal parties. Article 28
gives any member of a political party or other interested person, the Prosecutor or the
Prosecutor’s Office the liberty to lodge a complaint with the Tribunal of First Instance
and annul any deeision taken by the party leadership. But it is not stipulated anywhere
that a Prime Minister tan contradict a political party leader who took a decision.
The decision taken by the party leadership was in accordance with Article 56 of our
statute, which states that any act or document drafted in the naine of the party shall hOt be
valid unlessigned the Chairman. (applause and comments).
The Prime Minister has all these laws in her possession. She also has experieneed
advisors in this area who are supposed to hav explained everything to her so that she
would understand that she does not have any righto change the decision taken by a party
leader acting on behalf of his party. She does not have any right.
I advised her to go and see the Prosecutor so that he could apply Article 28 and thus ask
the Tribunal to annul the list of parliarnentarians elected by the PL, and get the
parliamentarians wanted by TWAGIRAMUNGU elected. Sinee TWAGIRAMUNGU is
not a PL member, he eannot nominate our parliamentarîans. (applause and comments).
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You have seen or heard in the document read te you by the party Vice-Chairman what
TWAGIRAMUNGU, NZAMURAMBAHO and NAYINZIRA wrote. This document
shows tha these people are preoccupicd first and foremost by what may bc called
"balance of political power". That balance was achieved in Arushand I was net there.
(applause and comments). The balance is for NAYINZIRA, NGULINZIR
NSENGIYAREMYE, NDASINGWA (applause and comments) and BIZIMUNGU
(applause and comments). I de net know this balance; I never discussed or signed it. The
balance should net cause a stalemate under the PL’s label. PL docs net have a hand in it;
I never signed an agreement with those people (applause and comments).
Someone may think, since NDASINGWA was in Arusha, he would hav~ signed those
things. But NDASINGWA went te Arush as a representative of the Govemment, and
net as a PL delegate. (applause and comments). People should net mix things up.
NDASINGWA, NAYINZIRA and BIZIMUNGU approved those things, well, PL did net
make any commitment.
That is why we in the PL decided that independence is the political line te tow. We are
clear-sighted and we are first and foremost afler the interest of the party.
If "political balance" means a small group of political parties that will occupy the fifteen
ministerial posts and take decisions anyhow, then the PL cannot subscribe te that kind of
things. (applause and comments).
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If "politica! balance" me~s people ra]lying round the In~tanyi in order to occupy ~e
forty-five posts in the Parliament, so that, when they wan to change the Arusha Accords,
they will use the forty-two MPs to vote those things, then the PL cannot sign that kind of
thïngs. (applause and comments).
The PL wants to protect the sovereignty the people acquired during the 1959 revolution.
(applause and comments).
That should be clear, because it is written in the Bible: "Woe, woe, woe", woe betide
whom? (applause and comments). Woe betide those who tout the rights of the people,
those who wan to please the Inkotanyi by flouting the rights for which the population
suffered so much. Woe betide them. (applause and comments).
People often say tha the "Parti Libéral", that Justin MUGENZI led a delegation of
political parties to Brussels in order to discuss with the lnkotanyi. It is truc. I led them,
but why? You can see where I was going with them. I achieved my objective. (applause
and comments). I led to Brussels in order to discuss with the Inkotanyi and ask them to
lay down their arms, accept political dialogue, and corne and sit around the same table
and try to sec together how we tan put an end to the war. And we achieved this
objective. Later, it will be written in the Rwandan history thathe PL saved the country
from a war (applause and comments). We did not go to Brussels to have balance of
political power in order to overthrow the regime in favour of the Inkotanyi and all those
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on their payroll. The PL will not support any political party that wants to JC02 take power... 6 68,64,
through means that are not democratic i.e. through the ballot box. (applause and
comments).
Another thing, there have been rumours for a long time that MUGENZI tume down the
negotiations. The letter we read spoke als of negotiations with the opponents whereas
the opponents have on several occasions asked for negotiations. Tha too is a lie. It is
true that they wanted negotiations but on enemy territory. How can I enter into
negotiations with a mediator like NDASINGWA, NZAMURAMBAHO or
NAYINZIRA? (applause and comments). My vehement refusaled to the intervention
ïmpartial mediators like:
- A Representative of the United Nations Secretary General
A Representative of the OAU Secretary General
- A Representative of the Tunisian Ambassador to Rwanda
These personalities are ail celebritiest (applause and comments). They brought
together and asked us wha the bone of contention was and why people were talking of
two lists of MPs! I started explaining, showing with proofs tha the list I submitted was
the one that ough to be considered. I started speaking when NDASINGWA stood up and
saïd he had not corne for that, adding: "I did hOt corne to hear overwhelming proofs’. He
was asked to be patient and listen to the explanations I was going to give and then he too
would have the rime to respond. But he refused completely, banged the door and left
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(ïnaudible) (applause, comments and laughter). Someone told me: "That is a beautiful
goal you have just scored". (applause and comments).
If there are issues within the PL that delayed the putting
place of government
institutions as claimed by the two Palme Ministers, if those issues are not resolved by the
United Nations, who will resolve them? If they are not resolved by the OAU, who will
resolve them?
These issues brought in the saine mediator who sponsored the Arusha Accords, i.e. the
President of Tanzania. Where are we going to find another?
I think we have realized thathe unrelenting intrigues of political parties will plunge the
country into the abyss. They should accept and corne, I go along with what the President
of the Republic said: that leaders of registered political parties should submit their lists of
Ministers, MPs, and party members who are not happy with that decision should go to
Nyamirambo to lodge their complaints with the Tribunal. (applause and comments).
Thank you. (applause and comments). (inaudible).
Kantano HABIMANA, an RTLM journalist:
... You have heard tha they beat up an Interahamwe; he fell on the ground. Again, they
went into hiding and what did UNAMIR do? Did it at least protecthat person abducted
by the Inkotanyi? Did it protect the Interahamwe against the lnkotanyi? It merely said
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"Well ....the situation is calm". A few minutes later, a helicopter came to K0244846 land and then
took a commander on board. They left, saying that the operation had ended and
everything was calm.
Yesterday, an MRND vehicle went arotmd announcing that a rally was going to be held.
The Inkotanyi said the vehicle was carrying guns and grenades to Rundand they had to
stop it at Nyabugogo in order to search it. The vehicle in question was going everywhere
preaching peace and unity; UNAM1R soldiers followed and stopped it between two of
their vehicles. They searched it thoroughly but found no trace of guns or grenades. Why
do people go on calling the Interahamwe aggressors whereas the actual aggressors are
those people who are saying there is war when there is peaee?
$tay tuned to RTLM. In rive minutes, you will have the news in Kinyarwanda. (Two
tracks of African music).
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