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50— Vanguard, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 2020<br />
2023 POLLS:<br />
Igbo presidency<br />
will clear Nigeria's<br />
mess<br />
— ODIMEGWU<br />
Yesterday, we ran the first part of an engaging interview<br />
with former Chairman of the National Population<br />
Commission, NPC, Eze Festus Odimegwu, on the raging<br />
flames of insecurity and the way out. Today, we serve you the<br />
concluding part covering how denying the Igbo the presidency<br />
has hurt Nigeria, his assessment of the presidents<br />
Muhammadu Buhari and Goodluck Jonathan administrations<br />
and why their wives would have done better as presidents<br />
among others.<br />
ON the chances of educated<br />
and well-informed leaders<br />
emerging in Nigeria<br />
What you see in Nigeria is<br />
darkness, not in the religious<br />
way, but physical, real<br />
darkness. And to pull it back<br />
and lift it up and bring<br />
Nigerians out of Plato’s cave<br />
and put them in the sun to see<br />
the beauty of existence, its<br />
radiance, you need Philosopher<br />
Kings – people with<br />
knowledge.<br />
I can solve all the problems<br />
of Nigeria in one year. All! And<br />
I can solve it in one year<br />
without salary. You make me<br />
the president today, and I sign<br />
an agreement with Nigerians<br />
that after one year, all these<br />
problems will disappear and<br />
don’t pay me, I will pay myself.<br />
And I will make it happen in<br />
reality, not storytelling. But you<br />
have to go and get Nigerians<br />
who are fire-eaters, who<br />
understand the situation,<br />
Nigerians who know what<br />
existence means, who<br />
understand the cosmos, who<br />
know what being a human<br />
being means, who understand<br />
the power of knowledge.<br />
A man running 100 metres<br />
does not look at his belly button.<br />
Amotekun is looking at your<br />
belly button. It is like<br />
MASSOB. But the beauty of it<br />
is that the people who are<br />
originating the idea are APC<br />
and they are Buhari’s people.<br />
So let us see how it plays out,<br />
whether they will play politics.<br />
Security is not Buhari’s to<br />
give. He cannot determine<br />
whether people should be alive<br />
or not. He is not God. It is not<br />
his to give. Going to him to<br />
lobby for approval of<br />
“Operation Amotekun” is<br />
stupidity. It means that the<br />
people don’t even understand<br />
the issue. You should rather<br />
challenge your politicians to go<br />
and make sure that Nigeria is<br />
restructured or they do not<br />
come home again in all the six<br />
regions.<br />
A school of thought believes<br />
that for equity, fairness and<br />
justice, there must be a<br />
Nigerian president of Igbo<br />
extraction come 2023. But<br />
there is also a countervailing<br />
school of thought mainly from<br />
the North that insists that 2023<br />
is not the right time. What is<br />
your take?<br />
Igbo man has not been<br />
president of Nigerian from<br />
1960 till date, so, how is<br />
Nigeria? That is why you have<br />
the mess you have. Are you<br />
proud of the Nigeria you have<br />
now? So, those who have been<br />
presidents without the Igbo,<br />
what have they achieved?<br />
Presidency is not for people<br />
to go and steal. Presidency is<br />
to develop Nigeria.<br />
Secondly, when you know the<br />
characteristics of the six main<br />
regional blocks of Nigeria, their<br />
cultural characteristics, social<br />
characteristics, their justicial<br />
system and political economy,<br />
their aesthetics and axiological<br />
foundations,<br />
their<br />
technological foundations, and<br />
their system of perfection, and<br />
eternity, only the Igbo culture<br />
has the ingredients to make<br />
Nigeria great.<br />
The Igbo are very exceptional<br />
people and there is nothing<br />
you can do about a matter of<br />
fact. That is why they are<br />
envied. But the Igbo should<br />
not lower their standards or<br />
themselves because people are<br />
envying them. They should just<br />
be who they are. And if Nigeria<br />
wants to go to blazes, let it go.<br />
But the day Nigerians are<br />
tired of fiddling, and they want<br />
to start the march to greatness,<br />
convergence and eternity, they<br />
know what to do.<br />
And one of the major things<br />
to do is to look for an Igbo and<br />
hand him over the presidency.<br />
I told you if I am president in<br />
one year, I will change Nigeria.<br />
I said that to Obasanjo once.<br />
People who can look into that<br />
singularity and unveil it do<br />
things others cannot do. People<br />
who are representative of that<br />
singularity do things others<br />
cannot do.<br />
There are many people with<br />
this type of stories that are<br />
Nigerians. If those people take<br />
charge of Nigeria, in one year<br />
you will not recognize that you<br />
are in Nigeria. Lee Kuan Yew<br />
did it in Singapore. I will do it<br />
better in Nigeria. But I am not<br />
going to run around begging<br />
to help save Nigeria. If people<br />
want to save Nigeria, they<br />
know those who can do it. I will<br />
never run around for it.<br />
•Odimegwu<br />
Will those people ever get<br />
the opportunity?<br />
We are saying the same<br />
thing. Igbo have not been<br />
president, and so what? Are<br />
you not reading me correctly?<br />
Do I look like I am looking for<br />
what to do? Do I look hungry<br />
to you? I have earned my life<br />
permanently. I have actually<br />
discovered that the best time of<br />
one’s life is when he has leisure<br />
time.<br />
When I was a child, I thought<br />
it was the best period of my life<br />
growing up in Aba. We were<br />
fighting every day, jumping<br />
inside gutter and jumping out,<br />
I thought it was fantastic. We<br />
were the famous Aba Boys.<br />
When I was in school, I thought<br />
it was the best.<br />
When I was in the Nigerian<br />
Igbo man has not<br />
been president of<br />
Nigerian from 1960<br />
till date, so, how is<br />
Nigeria? That is<br />
why you have the<br />
mess you have. Are<br />
you proud of the<br />
Nigeria you have<br />
now? So, those who<br />
have been<br />
presidents without<br />
the Igbo, what have<br />
they achieved?<br />
Breweries, I thought it was the<br />
best. In Nigerian Breweries,<br />
you had so much fun and at the<br />
end of the month they still paid<br />
you and I was surprised they<br />
were paying us after all the fun<br />
we had.<br />
In my more mature age now,<br />
I think the best time of one’s<br />
life is his leisure time.<br />
I will write 10 books. My 80th<br />
birthday, I will celebrate it with<br />
10 books. I will launch all of<br />
them at the same time. That<br />
will be my gift to humanity to<br />
plot the path to immortality.<br />
Shortly after the 2015<br />
elections, you said you were<br />
confident that the then<br />
president-elect, General<br />
Muhammadu Buhari, would<br />
deliver as president. Do you<br />
still hold that view?<br />
It is still good that President<br />
Goodluck Jonathan was voted<br />
out of office because he underperformed<br />
and he was a big<br />
disappointment.<br />
I have seen people trying to<br />
ask, was it right or wrong? It<br />
was good that he was voted out<br />
because as somebody who<br />
claimed to be educated up to<br />
PhD level, when he had the<br />
opportunity to use that<br />
knowledge to transform<br />
Nigeria to a modern nationstate,<br />
he failed woefully.<br />
He was busy playing cheap<br />
politics the third world<br />
mentality way. So, it was good<br />
he was voted out.<br />
And of all the people then<br />
who were running with him,<br />
current<br />
President<br />
Muhammadu Buhari came<br />
across as somebody who was<br />
very serious minded and who<br />
had this desire, persistent<br />
desire to do something for<br />
Nigeria as we saw it then.<br />
And not just because of this<br />
image, the people around him<br />
also were people that had the<br />
credentials of progressive<br />
politics. People who you could<br />
say are egalitarian in their<br />
outlook. And their manifesto<br />
also had content that made<br />
sense.<br />
So, putting these three things<br />
together, it was appropriate to<br />
support him. It was logical to<br />
support him. The possibilities<br />
that he would do well were<br />
there if you analyse it properly.<br />
But on assuming office,<br />
Buhari has been an<br />
unmitigated disaster and a<br />
complete failure to put it mildly.<br />
In fact, he has failed to the level<br />
that he has become a security<br />
risk to Nigeria.<br />
Some people say it is those<br />
around him that are the<br />
problem, but leadership makes<br />
you to be responsible for what<br />
is happening. And the failure<br />
of his leadership is<br />
comprehensive. He has not<br />
shown any element of capacity<br />
in any department of<br />
leadership and it is very<br />
unfortunate.<br />
And all the people around<br />
him, as far as I can see are not<br />
there to help him. All of them<br />
are there to run their own<br />
personal agenda and he<br />
doesn’t even know what is<br />
happening to begin to control<br />
these people.<br />
So, everybody around him is<br />
a power unto himself. That is<br />
why you see all this confusion<br />
and disorder in his<br />
administration and then they<br />
transfer it to the country.<br />
The only person around<br />
him who means well for him<br />
is his wife, Aisha. And in fact,<br />
the only person around him<br />
who shows any element of<br />
intelligence, sense of<br />
responsibility, is the wife, the<br />
First Lady. Outside her, every<br />
other person around Buhari is<br />
as disappointing as Buhari<br />
himself.<br />
Why did you single out the<br />
First Lady? What has she<br />
done in particular?<br />
Leadership has three<br />
main dimensions that you<br />
can analyse to infinite<br />
dimensions. And the core<br />
of those three dimensions<br />
is the intention of the<br />
leader which is<br />
encapsulated in the value<br />
and visions of leadership.<br />
That is what holds what<br />
any leadership is doing<br />
together.<br />
Aisha has come across as<br />
somebody who has conscience,<br />
not conscience in the religious<br />
sense, the way Nigerian<br />
hypocrites would always bring<br />
religion and talk nonsense but<br />
conscience in ethical sense.<br />
Somebody who knows the right<br />
things to do. She has that sense<br />
and she gives advice and when<br />
they don’t take her advice or<br />
even allow her to give that<br />
advice, she has enough<br />
conviction herself to explode<br />
and come to the public and<br />
criticise the husband’s<br />
administration and people<br />
around him.<br />
And in the Nigerian set-up<br />
particularly in northern<br />
Nigeria where she, Buhari and<br />
all the people around him come<br />
from, it is exemplary for a lady<br />
to do that.<br />
So, I think from her<br />
intentions, from the things she<br />
says, if she is the president of<br />
Nigeria herself, this<br />
administration will do better<br />
just like if Patience Jonathan<br />
had been the president and<br />
Jonathan was the First Man,<br />
that administration would have<br />
also done better. And I can say<br />
a lot more about that in terms<br />
of leadership meaning to do<br />
what is right from the basic<br />
intentions. She is a very good<br />
lady by my estimation.<br />
You were a member of the<br />
Buhari Transition Committee<br />
prior to his inauguration in<br />
2015. Many thought you were<br />
going to be appointed a<br />
minister. At what point did<br />
you realise that Nigerians may<br />
have had a bad deal in electing<br />
him president?<br />
The question itself implies<br />
that or has an undertone that I<br />
supported Buhari so that I<br />
could be made a minister. I<br />
mean, you are in my house, if<br />
you look around, you will see<br />
that I am not looking for a job.<br />
It would be demeaning of my<br />
person, who I am to think I<br />
would do something because I<br />
will get a job. I am an employer<br />
of labour. I am not looking for<br />
a job. So, I didn’t get a bad deal<br />
from Buhari.<br />
I am not talking about you<br />
as a person. The question is,<br />
at what point did you realise<br />
that Nigerians may have made<br />
a mistake in electing Buhari<br />
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