Volume 29 Issue 4 | February & March 2024

ALLAN CABRAL
“We started with more string players but I took it down to 8-6-4-4-2 because that is plenty, even with a big choir,”
Desert Island Discs on the BBC Radio Four archives the night before,
where beside the expected Mozart and Handel, she chose Mahler’s Der
Abschied, and one of Britten’s Sea Interludes from Peter Grimes. “There
is a bit of a lacuna – I don’t do much nineteenth century music, it has
to be said. Nobody will ask me to do Wagner again… and in fact I’ve
come to Wagner quite late but I absolutely love it now, can’t get enough
of it. And probably no one will ask me to do a Verdi opera.” When she
was the director of opera at the Royal Academy of Music in London, she
did conduct a variety of operas, an Onegin, some Puccini. “But it’s not
really what I’m known for. The 18th century is where I live.”
She has conducted Mahler as well, but mostly in the reduced,
Schoenberg orchestration, though a big-orchestra Ruckert Lieder
performance with Sarah Connolly is a notable exception. “I’ve done
a bit of Strauss too. Rosenkavalier is one of the operas that I hope to
do before I pack away my baton. And I do think Rosenkavalier ought
to be conducted by a woman!” Another composer who’s been very
important to her is Benjamin Britten. She met him and Peter Pears
as a young teen(and ardent Britten fan) when the pair came to her
hometown to perform a recital. Her father was the school headmaster
and Britten came by their house. “Beautiful and elegant” is how she
remembers them, and generous with young musicians.
In her Desert Island Discs, she also chooses Virginia Woolf’s letters
as the book she would take to the desert island. Her love of Woolf?
“What a writer! Funnily enough, I have a book called Shakespeare in
Bloomsbury by Marjorie Garber. The Bloomsbury artists worshipped
him. The book is a fabulous companion on the road.” Does she prefer
Woolf’s fiction or the letters? “All of it, really. In letters and diaries
you really get to know her, and the novels and the essays are brilliant
creations. I keep coming back to her. I remember having a five-hour
stopover at an airport once and I just quietly sat in a corner and read
Mrs Dalloway again. It’s one of my favourite novels.”
She has yet to see The Hours, the opera version of the 1998 Michael
Cunningham novelistic tribute to Mrs Dalloway, which premiered
last year at the Metropolitan Opera, though she did see the movie
version with Nicole Kidman as Virginia Woolf.
Talk of movies inevitably leads us to two recent Hollywood films
about conductors. “I thought Bradley Cooper’s Maestro was brilliant,”
she says. And Tár? “I put off seeing it for a long long time because
everybody was asking me about it all the time. But then I watched it on
a flight.” Marin Alsop complained about it, I remind her: that it depicts
women conductors – and gay women conductors in particular – in a
terribly negative light. “I understand where she’s coming from,” Glover
says. “I sympathise with her judgment.” But, I object, Tár had to be an
art monster or there wouldn’t be a story. “The thing is,” says Glover, “it
is not a story about my profession, it was a story of self-destruction.
And in this sense, it was a brilliant movie. And I worship Cate Blanchett
anyway, and it was a stonking performance by her. But I have to say,
there was not much of my profession that I recognized. And I don’t
know any conductors any more who treat orchestral musicians like
that. Nor do I know any conductors who travel in private planes by the
way. And every time my plane is cancelled or I have to wait for a missing
suitcase, I think, ‘Well this never happened to Tár’.”
And Tár is probably about the Karajan generation of conductors,
except moved to our time, I suggest. “Yes. And the Bernstein movie is
not a biopic exactly. It’s a portrait of a marriage. Both principal actors
are brilliant in it. Cooper was extraordinary… and what he did with
Mahler 2 in the Ely Cathedral. He was of course coached by Yannick
[Nézet-Séguin], one of the best-known Canadian musicians in the
world right now. It was a very warm movie, and it had a great deal of
heart. And Carey Mulligan can show you what she’s thinking without
doing anything.” So the conducting looked credible, it passed the test?
“It did, more than Cate Blanchett to be honest. Though she made a
good fist of it.”
She must get tired of questions about women in the conducting
profession, I suggest, but she was indeed one of the very first ones who
built an international career. Orchestras now regularly programming
women did nothing of the sort in her youth. “Yes, it’s changed radically
in the last five years even. Ten certainly. It’s lovely. The playing field is
still not level but it’s much less steep than it was. I love it that everywhere
I go there seem to be women who are assisting or getting the
job. There are two on a program that I’m assisting this week (Tapestry
Opera’s program for women in conducting) and they’re excellent. We
have a program at the RAM to which I’m still attached as a visiting
professor, which is called the Glover-Edwards Programme after me and
Sian Edwards. We are the oldest basically in the UK and Sian runs the
conducting department at the Academy now and this is a program just
for women. They come from all over and they meet three or four times a
year for intensive weekends with us. It’s a joy.”
Dame Jane Glover will conduct in Chicago, New York, Cincinnati
and Houston this year. Full details on her website.
Lydia Perović is a culture writer in Toronto. You can read a
longer, Q&A version of the interview with Dame Janet Glover
in her newsletter longplay.substack.com
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