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Sung Pyo Jun 1044<br />

KORUS’2005<br />

Moral Differences between Protestants and<br />

Atheists, and the Effects of Religion on the<br />

Morality of Protestants<br />

Abstract- Social control theory argues that religious<br />

people would stick to the ethical codes of the religion. The<br />

theory further asserts that religion would have tremendous<br />

effects on individuals' <strong>moral</strong> attitudes and behavior. This<br />

study tests social control theory. Data were collected from a<br />

sample of 911 people who were 18 or older at the time of<br />

study. The analysis reveals that Protestants have stronger<br />

<strong>moral</strong> values, are less corrupted, volunteer more for<br />

community service, and have better concerns for others<br />

than atheists. These <strong>differences</strong>, although significant<br />

statistically, are not so great.<br />

Religious activities such as church attendance, family<br />

worship, and participation in church activities have small<br />

effects on the Protestants' attitudes toward violence, and<br />

reasonable effects on voluntary service. Various religiosity<br />

indices have reasonable and consistent effects on the<br />

Protestants' attitudes toward marital fidelity and violence<br />

and on some of the <strong>moral</strong> behaviors in a positive way. The<br />

effects of religion on the Protestants' <strong>moral</strong>ity are, however,<br />

not as great as social control theory predicts.<br />

I. INTRODUCTION<br />

Since 1960s, Korea has experienced massive social<br />

changes including industrialization, urbanization,<br />

economic development, breakdown of traditional<br />

communities, changes in the family structure and growth<br />

of civil movements. Particularly, the changes that<br />

occurred within the Christian community have been the<br />

most dramatic of all. The quantitative growth of the<br />

Christians is well documented as now Protestants account<br />

for about 28% of South Korea’s population and 34% of<br />

Koreans with Protestants and Catholics combined (Jun,<br />

1997).<br />

Many scholars, following Durkheim’s tradition, insist<br />

that religion controls individual behavior and attitudes so<br />

as to conform to the society by having them internalize<br />

<strong>moral</strong> values and humanism. While social norms control<br />

only overt behavior, religion controls attitudes as well. In<br />

that sense, religion is more effective than secular norms<br />

in controlling individual behavior.<br />

The social control hypothesis, which states that<br />

religion positively affects individual <strong>moral</strong>ity, has been<br />

upheld by empirical studies (Jun, 1999). Christians or<br />

people with stronger religiosity tend to refrain from<br />

im<strong>moral</strong> behaviors, are more concerned with the less<br />

privileged, and have stronger marital fidelity than others<br />

(Alwin, 1986; Beck et al, 1991; Bainbridge, 1989; Benda,<br />

Sung Pyo Jun<br />

Department of Sociology, University of Ulsan<br />

1995; Burkett, 1993; Call and Heaton, 1997; Cochran and<br />

Beeghley, 1991: Call and Heaton, 1997; Dudley and<br />

Kosinski, 1990; Dudley et al, 1987; Evans et al, 1995;<br />

Glenn and Supancic, 1984; Grasmick et al, 1991; Lee et al,<br />

1997; Scheepers and Van Der Slik, 1998; Strahan, 1994).<br />

We cannot, however, take the reasoning literally<br />

because research findings on the relationship between<br />

religion and <strong>moral</strong>ity have been inconsistent, mixed, and<br />

contradictory at times.<br />

Critics argue, with empirical evidences, that Christianity<br />

does not affect individual <strong>moral</strong>ity at all, and even induces<br />

anti-social behavior in some situations (Bonger, 1969;<br />

Cochran, 1988; Hirschi and Stark, 1969; Lunden, 1964;<br />

Shur, 1969; Hoge et. al., 1996; Clydesdale, 1995; Will and<br />

Cochran, 1995). This study examines if religion helps<br />

promote <strong>moral</strong> values and behavior.<br />

II. DATA AND RESEARCH METHODS<br />

A. Data<br />

Based on the Ulsan Census of 1999, people with no<br />

religion were selected. They were 18 years of age or older<br />

at the time of study. Using a systematic sampling method,<br />

atheists were selected randomly from each district (ku<br />

and dong). The respective number of respondents to be<br />

selected was determined according to the ratio of sex and<br />

age of each district to the total population of Ulsan.<br />

Christians were selected randomly from a number of<br />

churches. Large churches with more than 500 members<br />

were eliminated from the study.<br />

A total of 1000 questionnaires were distributed, and<br />

911 people participated in the study. Christians are 454<br />

(49.8%) and people who have no religious affiliation<br />

(atheists) are 457 (50.2%). Of the 454 Christians,<br />

Presbyterians are 187 (41.3%), Evangelicals, 101 (22.3%),<br />

Assembly of God, 74 (16.3%), Christ Church, 60 (13.2%),<br />

and Methodists, 26 (5.7%).<br />

Of the total respondents, men and women are 428<br />

(47%) and 482 (53%) each. Six hundred fifty six people<br />

(72%) are married, 248 are unmarried (26%), and<br />

7 people (0.7%) live in an unmarried cohabitation setting.<br />

The mean age of the respondents is 36.6, and the age is<br />

widely distributed ranging from 18 to 82. The age<br />

distribution of the sample is very similar to that of<br />

Ulsan. The median monthly household income of the<br />

respondents is somewhere between $1,000 and $2,000.<br />

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B. Variables<br />

Religious variables are frequency of religious<br />

conversations at home, frequency of family worship,<br />

subjective meaning of family worship, years of church<br />

attendance, position at the church, and participation in<br />

church activities.<br />

Religiosity consists of two variables: 1) orthodox<br />

beliefs (ie,, “God really exists”, “There is a life after<br />

death”, “There exists Satan”), and 2) personal religious<br />

experiences (ie, “I heard God’s voice”, “God responded<br />

to my prayers” etc).<br />

Morality is twofold – attitudes and behavior.<br />

To measure respondents’ attitudes, 16 statements<br />

were provided, and their responses to the 5 scale-answers<br />

were recorded. To measure purpose-oriented attitudes,<br />

the following statements were provided: “If there is<br />

no garbage can around, I have to litter”, “Even if my<br />

son is healthy, I would not send him to military<br />

service”, “Money itself is important, not the way how<br />

to make it”, “I would willingly cheat to get admitted t<br />

o a better college”, “I would even steal money for my<br />

own gain”.<br />

Sexual <strong>moral</strong>ity (marital fidelity) was measured by<br />

such statements as “Even if I’m married, I would still<br />

need a boyfriend or a mistress”, “When traveling alone, if<br />

I happen to meet a nice-looking man/woman, I wouldn’t<br />

mind having a lunch with him/her”.<br />

To measure an individuals’ <strong>moral</strong> behavior, we<br />

measured their altruistic behaviors and deviant behaviors.<br />

After several rounds of factor analysis, 5 factors were<br />

extracted: 1) material corruption (ie, stealing money, robbery),<br />

2) strong public manners (ie, littering, urinating on the street),<br />

3) weak altruism (ie, being nice to others, showing the way to<br />

a stranger), 4) strong altruism (ie, voluntary activities, helping<br />

the poor), and 5) weak public manners (ie, using a cellphone<br />

in public places, misdemeanor)<br />

III. RESULTS<br />

A. Morality of Protestants and Atheists: Attitudes and<br />

Behavior<br />

Protestants are found to be more <strong>moral</strong>istic than<br />

atheists in both attitudes and behavior (TABLE 1). And<br />

these <strong>differences</strong> are all significant statistically at the<br />

level of 0.05.<br />

Protestants have weaker purpose-oriented attitudes,<br />

sounder sexual values (marital fidelity), and less likely to<br />

rely on violence to solve a problem than atheists.<br />

In terms of behavior, Protestants tend to be less<br />

materially corrupted, more likely to conform to the public<br />

norms, and have more concerns for the less privileged<br />

than atheists<br />

Although Protestants have stronger <strong>moral</strong> values and<br />

behaviors, the <strong>differences</strong> between the two groups are not<br />

as great as one may expect.<br />

Purposeoriented<br />

attitude<br />

marital<br />

fidelity<br />

attitude<br />

toward<br />

violence<br />

material<br />

corruption<br />

strong<br />

public<br />

manners<br />

weak<br />

altruism<br />

strong<br />

altruism<br />

weak<br />

public<br />

manners<br />

TABLE 1<br />

MORALITY OF PROTESTANTS AND ATHEISTS<br />

T-test<br />

items Cronbach's<br />

alpha T sig<br />

6 .7593 11.630 .000<br />

N mean<br />

Prot 446 26.1973<br />

athe 451 23.4656<br />

4 .8398 11.273 .000<br />

Prot<br />

athe<br />

443<br />

452<br />

15.9413<br />

13.3031<br />

Prot 451 6.7960<br />

2 .7120 10.324 .000 athe 455 5.4967<br />

6 .8373 2.915 .004<br />

Prot<br />

athe<br />

442<br />

452<br />

28.9977<br />

28.5575<br />

Prot 446 13.6614<br />

3 .8087 8.654 .000 athe 453 12.4812<br />

3 .7312 6.399 .000<br />

Prot<br />

athe<br />

438<br />

451<br />

12.1438<br />

11.3415<br />

4 .7054 5.173 .000<br />

Prot<br />

athe<br />

437<br />

450<br />

11.7529<br />

10.8622<br />

Prot 447 7.5973<br />

2 .5449 2.975 .003 athe 453 7.2914<br />

B. Moral Attitudes of Protestants (TABLE 2)<br />

Demographic variables, religious variables, and control<br />

variables have some influence on a Protestant's attitudes.<br />

Personal religious activities, spouse's religiosity, and<br />

utilitarian purposes for attending church influence a<br />

person's purpose-oriented attitudes<br />

TABLE 2<br />

MORAL ATTITUDES OF PROTESTANTS<br />

Dep Var<br />

Purpose-orient sexual values<br />

attit toward<br />

violence<br />

b beta B beta b beta<br />

rel conversation -.004 -.004 -.153# -.128 .094 .081<br />

church attend-yr .006 .074 -.004 -.056 .005 .064<br />

Position -.014 -.014 .029 .027 .253** .235<br />

freq-fam worship .022 .036 .004 .007 -.066 -.106<br />

mean-fam worship .029 .037 .068 .084 -.049 -.063<br />

worship attend -.067 -.062 .036 .032 .075 .069<br />

activity .053 .081 .007 .011 .073 .109<br />

rel orthodox .052 .057 .239**** .250 .072 .088<br />

life after death .069 .071 .103 .100 .066 -.070<br />

rel experience .056 .059 -.104 -.104 .093 -.137<br />

personal<br />

rel activity<br />

.221* .221 .280** .269 .102 -.014<br />

sex .016 .009 .246 .122 .449** .229<br />

age .003 .029 .012 .117 .016 .150<br />

house income -.078 -.078 -.020 -.020 .009 .010<br />

educ .110# .167 -.040 -.060 .142* .215<br />

TV -.162# -.127 .040 .031 -.032 -.025<br />

spouse <strong>moral</strong>ity .174# .134 .060 .045 -.148 -.112<br />

spouse relig -.183* -.218 .054 .062 .012 .015<br />

mom <strong>moral</strong>ity .073 .055 -.092 -.066 .000 .000<br />

mom relig .038 .064 .141* .228 -.076 -.127<br />

dad <strong>moral</strong>ity .143# .129 .054 .047 -.219* -.196<br />

dad relig -.088 -.128 -.068 -.095 .105 .151<br />

brother <strong>moral</strong>ity .050 .035 .116 .077 .121 .083<br />

brother relig -.056 -.087 -.040 -.059 .003 .005<br />

friend <strong>moral</strong>ity -.081 -.062 -.039** -.225 .045 .035<br />

friend relig .029 .044 .036 .051 .087# .127<br />

utilitarian value -.176** -.181 -.082 -.086 -.021 -.022<br />

<strong>moral</strong> value .021 .021 .201* .190 -.059 -.058<br />

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A person who frequently prays alone or loves to read<br />

religious books is less likely to do im<strong>moral</strong> things for<br />

selfish reasons. And a person who goes to church for<br />

utilitarian purposes has a stronger tendency of doing<br />

im<strong>moral</strong> things for selfish reasons than others.<br />

Orthodox beliefs, personal religious activities,<br />

mother’s religiosity have a positive effect on one’s sexual<br />

attitudes (marital fidelity), and a friend’s <strong>moral</strong>ity has a<br />

negative effect on one’s sexual attitudes.<br />

The higher is one’s position at a church and the higher<br />

is one’s educational achievement, the less likely he/she is<br />

to rely on violence as a means for solving conflict. Men<br />

are more likely to be violent than women. And a person<br />

whose father has a higher <strong>moral</strong>ity has a stronger<br />

tendency to rely on violence.<br />

Church attendance and family worship were expected<br />

to have a positive effect and TV-watching time was<br />

expected to have a negative effect on one’s attitudes. But<br />

we cannot find enough evidences to support the<br />

expectations.<br />

C. Deviant Behavior of Protestants (TABLE 3)<br />

The higher is a person’s position at the church and the<br />

more actively one does religious activities at home, the<br />

less likely is he or she to be corrupted materially. And a<br />

woman is less likely to be involved in a misdemeanor<br />

than a man.<br />

TABLE 3<br />

MORALITY OF PROTESTANTS: DEVIANT BEHAVIOR<br />

Dep Var<br />

Material Corruption misdemeanor<br />

b beta b beta<br />

rel conversation -.076 -.094 .062 .060<br />

attendance-yr -.029 -.050 -.002 -.039<br />

Position .155* .202 -.028 -.029<br />

freq-fam worship -.027 -.062 -.001 -.002<br />

mean-fam worship -.030 -.053 -.021 -.029<br />

worship part -.096 -.125 .049 .050<br />

church activity .053 .110 -.033 -.053<br />

rel orthodox .066 .104 .130# .157<br />

life after death .071 .097 .009 .010<br />

rel experience -.070 -.102 -.032 -.036<br />

rel activity .175* .250 .084 .093<br />

sex .130 .095 .526*** .297<br />

age .064 .009 .010 .109<br />

house income -.078 -.111 .060 .066<br />

Educ .018 .040 .119# .201<br />

TV -.005 -.006 -.008 -.007<br />

spouse <strong>moral</strong>ity -.087 -.095 .025 .021<br />

spouse relig .032 .006 -.091 -.119<br />

mom <strong>moral</strong>ity -.014 -.015 -.070 -.055<br />

mom relig .001 .004 .058 .105<br />

dad <strong>moral</strong>ity .065 .082 .129 .125<br />

dad relig -.005 -.011 -.076 -.118<br />

brother <strong>moral</strong>ity -.052 -.052 .185 .142<br />

brother relig .026 .057 -.064 -.107<br />

friend <strong>moral</strong>ity .164# .173 -.141 -.115<br />

friend relig -.056 -.118 .029 .048<br />

utilitarian value -.058 -.085 -.035 -.040<br />

<strong>moral</strong> value .022 .032 .094 .103<br />

member contact .085 .110 -.155# -.154<br />

free time -.070 -.105 -.101 -.115<br />

D. Altruistic Behavior of Protestants (TABLE 4)<br />

The more frequently one has a family worship service,<br />

and the more frequently one prays or read religious books<br />

at home, the more likely he or she is involved in<br />

voluntary service. The stronger are one’s orthodox beliefs<br />

and the sounder are one’s mother’s values, he or she is<br />

more likely to have concerns for others. Women tend to<br />

be more concerned with others than men.<br />

TABLE 4<br />

MORALITY OF PROTESTANTS: ALTRUISTIC BEHAVIOR<br />

DEP VAR<br />

voluntary activity concern for others donation<br />

b beta b beta b beta<br />

rel conversation -.040 -035 .039 .033 -.196* -.174<br />

attendance-yr -.003 -039 ..004 .048 .009 .118<br />

position -.047 -.044 .171# .151 -.071 -.067<br />

freq-fam<br />

worship<br />

mean-fam<br />

worship<br />

.115* .183 -.084 -.129 -.013 -.022<br />

-.081 -.101 .055 .066 .032 .041<br />

worship part .071 .066 -.003 -.003 .087 .082<br />

activity part .097 .141 -.026 -.037 .074 .111<br />

rel orthodox -.009 -.010 .161* .170 .066 .075<br />

life after death -.008 -.008 .034 .031 .021 .021<br />

rel experience .026 .027 -.066 -.065 -.052 -.055<br />

rel activity .262* .265 .055 .053 .021 .023<br />

sex .188 .097 .444* .219 -.144 -.076<br />

age .006 .064 -.006 .061 .009 .095<br />

hosue income -.003 -.004 -.134 -.128 .142# .144<br />

educ .068 .106 .076 .112 -.017 -.028<br />

TV .097 .078 .057 .044 -.121 -.098<br />

spouse <strong>moral</strong>ity .043 .034 .073 .054 .161 .127<br />

spouse relig .008 .010 .009 .011 .082 .101<br />

mom <strong>moral</strong>ity -.004 -.003 .301* .207 -.022 -.017<br />

mom relig -.054 -.091 .012 .021 -.077 -.130<br />

dad <strong>moral</strong>ity .058 .051 .088 .076 -.112 -.101<br />

dad relig .048 .068 -.078 -.106 .087 .126<br />

brother <strong>moral</strong>ity .001 .001 -.089 -.061 -.027 -.020<br />

brother relig .063 .097 .007 .011 .016 .026<br />

friend <strong>moral</strong>ity -.026 -.020 .232# .166 .025 .019<br />

friend relig .057 .085 .036 .052 .085 .129<br />

utilitarian value .070 .072 -.054 -.054 .004 .005<br />

<strong>moral</strong> value -.129 -.129 .021 .021 .043 .044<br />

member contact -.059 -.054 -.118 -.103 -.034 -.032<br />

free time -.099 -.104 -.100 -.101 .059 .063<br />

IV. CONCLUSION<br />

Protestants have sounder values, are less corrupted<br />

materially, and are more involved in voluntary service,<br />

have more concerns for others than Atheists. In that<br />

sense, Protestants can be said to be more <strong>moral</strong>istic than<br />

Atheists. But the <strong>differences</strong> between Protestants and<br />

Atheists are as large as one may expect.<br />

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