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#03 (187), 25-31.I, 2012 w.<br />
rogor da ra formiT apirebs<br />
``xalxis partia~ saarCevno<br />
kampaniaSi monawileobas da ra<br />
Sansebi aqqvs opozicias saparlamento<br />
arCevnebze?? ``<strong>saerTo</strong> gazeTs~<br />
``xalxis partiis~ lideri<br />
koba daviTaSvili esaubra::<br />
_ batono koba, Tqven politikur<br />
koaliciaSi Semaval partiebs<br />
muSaobis tempi dauwuneT.<br />
konkretulad ra ar mogwonT?<br />
_ ufro meti aqtivoba da<br />
muSaobaa aucilebeli. sakuTari<br />
TaviT mxolod idiotia kmayofili.<br />
sabednierod, koaliciaSi<br />
idioti adamianebi ar varT gaer-<br />
Tianebuli. bolo dros piradad<br />
gavzarde aqtivoba, dRes ukve meore<br />
brifings vmarTav, im sakiTxebze,<br />
rac xalxs awuxebs.<br />
yoveldRiurad bevri usamarTloba<br />
da ukanonoba xdeba, amitom<br />
Cveni mxridan aucilebelia yvela<br />
problemaze drouli da<br />
adekvatuli reagireba.<br />
_ ra giSlidaT xels yofiliyaviT<br />
ufro aqtiuri?<br />
_ muSaobis tempi gavzardeT,<br />
amitom am etapze Cemi Tavisadmi<br />
ukmayofilebis safuZveli ar<br />
maqvs.<br />
_ TiTqmis yvela Tanxmdeba,<br />
rom saakaSvili Tavisufal ar-<br />
Cevnebs ar dauSvebs. arsebuli<br />
saarCevno kodeqsic arasrulyofilia.<br />
aseT pirobebSi ra resursiT<br />
apirebT gamarjvebas?<br />
_ problema ara saarCevno<br />
kodeqsSi, aramed qveynis xelisuflebaSia,<br />
romelic wlebis<br />
ganmavlobaSi sistematiurad<br />
ayalbebs arCevnebs. arc erTi kodeqsi<br />
ar iTvaliswinebs arCevnebis<br />
gayalbebas, piriqiT yvelaze<br />
cud kanonproeqtSic miTiTebulia,<br />
arCevnebis gayalbeba isjeba<br />
kanoniT.<br />
saakaSvilis diqtatoruli<br />
reJimis Sesacvlelad mxolod<br />
saarCevno kodeqsis Secvla araa<br />
sakmarisi. aq kompleqsuri problemebia<br />
gasaTvaliswinebeli.<br />
Tavdapirvelad daviwyoT imiT,<br />
rom saqarTveloSi arCevnebis<br />
gziT xelisufleba arasodes<br />
Secvlila. sainteresoa, ratom<br />
xdeba ase? aucilebelia am<br />
problemis gaanalizeba da swori<br />
diagnozis dasmis Semdeg sa-<br />
Tanado mkurnaloba. CvenTan xelisuflebaSi<br />
mosvlas da xelisuflebidan<br />
wasvlas Zalian didi<br />
fasi aqvs. xelisuflebaSi<br />
mosuli adamiani, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
mixeil saakaSvili aris ara<br />
xalxis mier daqiravebuli saxelmwifo<br />
moxele, aramed diqtatori,<br />
romelic yvelas da<br />
yvelafers anadgurebs.<br />
Cveni mizani am SemTxvevaSi<br />
<strong>saerTo</strong> gazeTi<br />
koba koba daviTaSvili:<br />
zurgze snaiperis SaSxana mkidia<br />
da yoveldRe imaze vfiqrob,<br />
vis davartya, vin movkla~...<br />
ara saakaSvilis adgilis dakaveba,<br />
aramed im Zalauflebis<br />
mospobaa, rasac saakaSvili<br />
flobs.<br />
_ vfiqrobT, rom Tqveni<br />
mxridan garkveuli garantiebis<br />
Seqmnis SemTxvevaSi xelisufleba<br />
daTmobaze wamova?<br />
_ rodesac ori armia erTmaneTs<br />
ebrZvis, erTi meore armias<br />
mTlianad alyas Semoartyams da<br />
gasasvlels ar dautovebs, pirveli<br />
iZulebuli xdeba sikvdils<br />
bolo wuTamde ebrZolos. warmatebuli<br />
mxedarTmTavrebi mters<br />
gasasvlels yovelTvis utovebdnen.<br />
amitom Tu Cveni mxridan<br />
garkveuli garantiebi iqneba, xelisuflebac<br />
ufro lmobieri<br />
gaxdeba.<br />
_ politologebi, eqspertebi,<br />
opozicionerebi Tanxmdebian,<br />
rom arsebuli saarCevno kodeqsi<br />
srulyofili araa. Sesabamisad,<br />
ratom ar ayalibebT opoziciis<br />
wevrebi erTian pozicias xelisuflebisa<br />
da saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobis<br />
misamarTiT?<br />
_ yvela opozicia opozicia<br />
araa. Cven gvyavs dekoratiuli<br />
opozicia, romelic xelisuflebis<br />
mosarTavad gamoiyeneba, TargamaZe,<br />
TorTlaZe, daviTaia, memarjveneebi,<br />
konstantine gamsaxurdia,<br />
romelic <strong>saerTo</strong>d kaqtusiviT<br />
ucxoeTSi dadges. saar-<br />
Cevno kodeqsis gaumjobeseba ise<br />
ar moxdeba, rom opoziciisTvis<br />
misaRebi aRmoCndes, radgan amas<br />
xelisufleba cocxali TaviT ar<br />
dauSvebs. piriqiT, xelisuflebas<br />
awyobs opoziciis warmomadgenlebis<br />
yvirili arsebul saar-<br />
Cevno kodeqsTan dakavSirebiT,<br />
TiTqos arCevnebs azri ar aqvs,<br />
xalxi arCevnebze ar unda mivides,<br />
es yvelaferi `nacmoZraobis~<br />
wisqvilze asxams wyals.<br />
arCevnebze rac naklebi amomrCeveli<br />
miva, ra Tqma unda, gayalbebis<br />
Sansi mniSvnelovnad izrdeba.<br />
_ rogorc Cans, roca CarTuli<br />
iyaviT saarCevno kodeqsSi<br />
Sesatani cvlilebebis procesSi,<br />
icodiT xelisufleba ar miiRebda<br />
saTanado kanonproeqts, Sesabamisad,<br />
ratom CaerTeT molaparakebSi?<br />
_ procesi mimarTuli iyo<br />
ara xelisuflebisTvis, aramed<br />
saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobis<br />
misamarTiT. saakaSvili, romelic<br />
qveynis SigniT yvelas da yvela-<br />
fers anadgurebs,<br />
ucxoeTSi ki yvelas<br />
uRimis da demokratiis<br />
Suqurad gvevlineba,<br />
gvsurda misi orsaxovneba<br />
msofliosTvis dagvenaxebina,<br />
niRabi Camogvexsna.<br />
Tumca veneciis komisiamac<br />
saarCevno kodeqsSi seriozuli<br />
xarvezebi daafiqsira, romelic<br />
xelisuflebam ar gaiTvaliswina?<br />
minda giTxraT, SeniSvnebi,<br />
romelic veneciis komisiam mii-<br />
Ro xelisuflebas unda gaeTvaliswinebina.<br />
arCevnebis Sedegebs<br />
saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba an<br />
scnobs an ara. Tu ucxoeTis wamyvanma<br />
saxelmwifoebma ar aRiares<br />
arCevnebi, Sesabamisad, axladarCeuli<br />
xelisufleba aralegitimurad<br />
gamocxaddeba. ,,nacmoZraoba~<br />
roca igrovebs SeniSvnebs<br />
veneciis komisiisgan, hilari<br />
klintonisgan, vfiqrob, sabo-<br />
ixileT `<strong>saerTo</strong> <strong>gazeTi~</strong><br />
<strong>inter<strong>net</strong>Si</strong><br />
<strong>www</strong>.<strong>saertogazeti</strong>.<strong>net</strong><br />
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze<br />
loo Sedegi saakaSvilisTvis<br />
arasaxarbielo iqneba.<br />
_ migaCniaT, rom am etapze<br />
arCevnebi politikuri brZolis<br />
erTaderTi saSualebaa?<br />
_ dRes es erTaderTi gzaa.<br />
mniSvnelovania, roca politikur<br />
struqturebSi aRar ismis<br />
debatebi, romeli gza sjobia.<br />
opoziciis danawevreba da uTanxmoba<br />
mxolod xelisuflebis<br />
imijze dadebiTad moqmedebs.<br />
aqamde revoluciis momxre politikosebi<br />
xalxs revoluciisken<br />
mouwodebdnen, Tumca revoluciis<br />
Tavi ar hqondaT. aseTi<br />
Secdoma mec damiSvia, magram<br />
adamiani imisTvis arsebobs rom<br />
daSvebuli Secdoma gaanalizos<br />
da gamoasworos. mTavaria, xalxis<br />
koncentracia erTi mimarTulebiT<br />
moxdes. biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
gamoCenam es faqtori gaaCina<br />
da yvela arCevnebis gzas daavadeqiT.<br />
_ rogor fiqrobT, arCevnebze<br />
ra iqneba warmatebis garantori.<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis faqtori<br />
Tu sworad, mizanmimarTulad<br />
dagegmili politteqnologiebi?<br />
_ yvelaferTan erTad. ivaniS-<br />
vilisfaqtori,<br />
ra Tqma unda, Zalian didia.<br />
misma gamoCenam gamoiwvia is<br />
rom, adamianebi, romlebic arCevnebis<br />
gziT xelisuflebis Secvlas<br />
ar emxrobodnen, dRes ukve<br />
ase aRar fiqroben. saxelisuflebo<br />
gamokiTxvebSic ki adamianebis<br />
uCveulo aqtivobaa.<br />
_ saubaria imaze, rom SesaZloa,<br />
2012 wlis saparlamento<br />
arCevnebamde e.w. mesame politikuri<br />
Zala Camoyalibdes. vis moiazrebT<br />
am segmentSi da SesaZloa<br />
Tu ara am faqtorma biZgi<br />
misces arCevnebze konkurentuli<br />
garemos Camoyalibebas?<br />
_ mesame Zalis gamoCenis SesaZleblobas<br />
ver vxedav. e.i.<br />
vinc ver moxvda vercerT gaer-<br />
TianebaSi, mesame Zalas qmnis?<br />
politikuri procesi polarizebulia<br />
da mTavari politikuri<br />
procesebi biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
irgvliv viTardeba, romelsac<br />
gamarjvebis seriozuli berketi<br />
gaaCnia. mesame centri ver ityvis,<br />
rom maT aqvT arCevnebze ga-<br />
marjvebis Sansi da ivaniSvils _<br />
ara. aseT rames maT aravin daujerebs,<br />
Sesabamisad, ra agitacia<br />
unda gaswion?<br />
_ zviad ZiZiguris TqmiT, sasurveli<br />
iqneba Tu yvela opoziciuri<br />
Zala im politikuri alternativis<br />
rigebSi gaerTiandeba,<br />
romelic am etapze yalibdeba.<br />
Tqven ras fiqrobT?<br />
_ es aris sazogadoebis dakveTa,<br />
romelsac xelisuflebis<br />
Secvla surs. kargad gvaxsovs<br />
2008 wlis saprezidento arCevnebi,<br />
sadac TiTqmis yvela opoziciurma<br />
liderma cal-calke<br />
iyara kenWi. amiT ki, rbilad rom<br />
vTqva, opoziciis <strong>saerTo</strong> saqme<br />
mogebuli ar darCenila. mesmis<br />
im politikuri partiebis, romelTac<br />
undaT TviTgadarCena Tavis<br />
damkvidreba, saarCevno barieris<br />
gadalaxva da parlamentSi<br />
moxvedra. gasagebia _ maTi es<br />
survili cudi araa, magram sakanonmdeblo<br />
organoSi moxvedriT<br />
xalxis survili, _ Secvalos<br />
xelisufleba ver kmayofildeba.<br />
_ ramdenime dRis win Salva<br />
naTelaSvilma politikuri qileri<br />
giwodaT. ris safuZvelze<br />
gaakeTa aseTi gancxadeba?<br />
_ zurgze snaiperis SaSxana<br />
mkidia da yoveldRe imaze vfiqrob,<br />
vis davartya, vin movkla.<br />
Salva naTelaSvils<br />
bolo periodSi inglisurad<br />
saubari dasCemda,<br />
romelic maincdamainc<br />
ar gamosdis,<br />
amitom, sjobs, qar-<br />
Tul enaze gvesaubros.<br />
Cemma Svilma,<br />
sami wlis andriam,<br />
inglisur enaze sami<br />
sityva icis da isic<br />
batoni Salvas daxmarebiT<br />
_ `daun di diq-<br />
TeiTe~.<br />
_ bolo dros Salva na-<br />
TelaSvili ivaniSvilis misamarTiT<br />
sakmaod mkveTr gancxadebebs<br />
akeTebs. ra aris mizezi?<br />
_ ori erTmaneTze uaresi<br />
versia maqvs. pirveli, TiTqos<br />
mTeli samyaro naTelaSvilis<br />
winaaRmdeg Seikra, ivaniSvili<br />
da saakaSvili erTia, orives<br />
ukan aSS-i dgas, yvelaferi gadawyvetilia.<br />
adamiani, romelsac<br />
naTelaSvili premierobis postze<br />
asaxelebda, axla gaxda misTvis<br />
arasasurveli da satana? meore<br />
variantiT ki ivaniSvilis<br />
lanZRva-gineba vis wisqvilze asxams<br />
wyals, mogexsenebaT, amitom<br />
nebsiT Tu uneblieT, naTelaSvili<br />
saakaSvilis sasargeblod<br />
moqmedebs.<br />
naTelaSvili politikur qilerobaSi<br />
Tu imas gulisxmobs _<br />
politikurad vklavo, baton<br />
Salvas nodar dumbaZis sityvebs<br />
SevaxsenebT: `yvela kaci TviTon<br />
iklavs Tavs~. batoni Salva Tavisi<br />
gancxadebebiT yoveldRiurad<br />
kargavs momxreebs, maT Soris<br />
partiul kadrebs. is Tavad<br />
aris politikuri TviTmkvleli.<br />
miranda nabaxteveli<br />
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