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merab merab kokoGaSvili:<br />
kokoGaSvili:<br />
merab kokoGaSvili:`mas samyaro xelisgulze udevs!~<br />
pirvelad lelasTan megobarma mimiyvana. Tavidan sakmaod kritikulad ganvewye da masTan<br />
saubars CemSi didi interesi ar gamouwvevia. ukve wasvlas vapirebdi, roca lelam mTxova, kidev<br />
ramdenime wuTiT davrCeniliyavi... ai, maSin iseTi ram miTxra, rac Cemi sulis yvelaze bnel, Rrma<br />
plastebSi maqvs gadamaluli da gamoricxulia, vinmes scodnoda. arc axla vapireb amis<br />
gamxelas. lelas mimarT ki rwmena da sruli ndoba gamiCnda.<br />
lelas TiToeul sityvas unda mieqces yuradReba. SecdomaSi ar SegiyvanoT iman, rom ama Tu<br />
im Temaze TiTqos sxvaTa Soris gesaubrebaT. gaxsovdeT, is WeSmariti naTelmxilvelia da<br />
samyaro xelisgulze udevs.<br />
ai, magaliTad, jer kidev 1994 wels saubrebSi ramdenjerme gamimeora ucnauri fraza:<br />
`truba~ saqarTveloSi gaivlis!” simarTle giTxraT, maSin ver vxvdebodi, ra `trubaze” iyo<br />
saubari da amisTvis gansakuTrebuli yuradReba ar mimiqcevia. mxolod 1995 wels mivxvdi am<br />
frazis mniSvnelobas. vfiqrob, maSin arc lelam icoda, ra `trubas~ xedavda, Torem pirdapir<br />
navTobsadens ityoda.<br />
erTxel Cems Svilze Camomigdo sityva da miTxra, did niJaraSi vxedavo. gamikvirda.<br />
_ ra niJaraSi? _ CavekiTxe.<br />
_ ar vici. raRac niJaraSia. – gamimeora, da daamata:<br />
_ warmateba aqvs, radgan gars aRtacebuli xalxi axvevia.<br />
am saubridan cota xnis Semdeg damireka Cemma qaliSvilma, romelic ucxoeTSi swavlobda da<br />
me, bunebrivia, gadaveci lelas naTqvami. iseTi xangrZlivi pauza Camovarda, rom vifiqre, gagvTiSes-meTqi<br />
da yurmilSi xmamaRla Cavyvire:<br />
_ gesmis?<br />
Cemi qaliSvilis pasuxma mimaxvedra, rom xangrZlivi pauza gaognebiT iyo gamowveuli:<br />
_ mama, ici, is darbazi, sadac unda davukra, niJaris formisaa!..<br />
amitom vambob, lelas sityvebi yovelTvis sworxazovnad, erTmniSvnelovnad da calsaxad ar<br />
unda gavigoT. saubrisas is xSirad imeorebs sityvebs: `daixsome~, `yuradRebiT iyavi~, `ar<br />
dagaviwydes~... da amas imitom ambobs, rom Cveulebriv mokvdavT misi naTqvamis jerovnad aRqma,<br />
gaazreba da dajereba xSirad Zalze uZneldebaT. am dros ki lela TvalebSi giyurebs da<br />
grZnobs Sens eWvebs. amitom cdilobs, yuradReba gagamaxvilebinos.<br />
Znelia, magaliTad, ucbad gaicnobiero, ras gulisxmobs lela, roca geubneba, `Sen da Seni<br />
coli yvavebiviTa xarT...~ SeiZleba sawyenadac ki dagirCes yvavTan Sedareba. etyoba, saxeze<br />
swored es grZnoba damewera, radgan ucbad gadaikiskisa da ganmimarta: `Zalian didxans<br />
icocxlebT, yvavebiviT, gaige?~ lelas ganmartebis gareSe namdvilad gamiWirdeboda am qaragmis<br />
amocnoba.<br />
aseve Znelia, daijero lelas sityvebi, romlebsac yvela Sexvedrisas mimeorebs: omi ruseTsa<br />
da ukrainas Soris gardauvalia! mimeorebs ise, rogorc romaeli senatori kato<strong>nu</strong>frosi<br />
imeorebda: `karTageni unda daingres!~<br />
sabWoTa wyobam, misma orTodoqsulma materializma migvaCvia, ar davijeroT is, rasac ver<br />
vxedavT, ar gvesmis, ver vxvdebiT da rac mecnierulad ar aris damtkicebul- dadgenili. droa<br />
davemSvidoboT am primitiul midgomas da meti ndobiT movekidoT imas, rac jer kidev ar aris<br />
sayovelTaod miRebuli. Secnoba xom usasrulo procesia da samyaroSi cnobads gacilebiT<br />
Warbobs Seucnobeli. maSasadame, arc isaa cnobili, ra saSualebebiT unda SevimecnoT Seucnobeli.<br />
winaswarmetyvelebis, misnebis, naTelmxilvelebisadmi undobloba araxalia. adamianebis mniSvnelovani<br />
nawili uxsovari droidan ar endoba da gaafTrebul brZolas ucxadebs maT. mxolod<br />
qalbaton lela kakuliasTan Sexvedris msurvelTa speqtri Zalze farTo da<br />
mravalferovania. masTan xSirad stumroben ucxoelebi, romlebsac fenomenis<br />
Sesaxeb smeniaT da specialurad, sagangebo vizitiT Camodian Cvens qveyanaSi.<br />
winaswarmetyvelTan Sexvedrebi yovelTvis erTi da igive SedegiT - stumarTa<br />
SokiT mTavrdeba. qalbatoni lela saocari sizustiT uambobs adamianebs maTi<br />
cxovrebis, interesebis, midrekilebebis, saqmianobisa da saguldagulod dafaruli<br />
wvrilmanebis Sesaxeb. mniSvneloba ara aqvs, sadauria, ra erovnebisaa vizitori,<br />
sad cxovrobs da moRvaweobs - aqve, saqarTveloSi Tu Sors,<br />
cflqfw cflqfw fahbrfib<br />
fahbrfib<br />
gTavazobT 1999 w. gazeT `axali dvritaSi~ gamoqveynebul<br />
intervius samxreT afrikel diplomatTan devid dubisonTan:<br />
_ rogor moxvdiT Soreuli afrikis mkvidri qarTvel winaswarmetyvelTan<br />
da amis Semdeg, rogor ganviTarda movlenebi Tqvens cxovrebaSi?<br />
_ qalbaton lelas pirvelad 1994 wlis zafxulSi SevxvdiT me da samxreT afrikis<br />
respublikis akreditebuli elCi saqarTveloSi batoni devon van skuari. es Sexvedra<br />
<strong>saqarTvelos</strong> sagareo saqmeTa saministros TanamSromlis, Cveni megobris baton Temur<br />
iakobaSvilis daxmarebiT moxda. erT-erTi saubrisas sityva fenomenebze da maT rolze<br />
Camovarda. maSin batonma Temurma miTxra, rom kargad icnobda da metad axlo urTierToba<br />
hqonda erT iseT fenomenTan, romelic naTelxilvis da winaswarmetyvelebis saocari<br />
unariT iyo dajildoebuli. me da batoni elCi Zalian davinteresdiT am ambiT da Sexvedrac<br />
Sedga. pirvelive vizitma damarwmuna, rom es araCveulebrivi garegnobis cisfer-<br />
Tvaleba qali, marTlac, saocari energiis patroni gaxldaT. batoni devon van skuari lamis<br />
SeiSala, iseTi raRaceebi uTxra. arada, Tavidan elCi qarTvel winaswarmetyvels SeZlebisdagvarad<br />
eurCeboda da TiTqmis yvela sityvas uprotestebda. magram, roca qalbatonma<br />
lelam samosSi saguldagulod gadamaluli afrikeli jadoqris mier damzadebuli avgarozi<br />
„aRmouCina~, gaognebuli batoni van skuari muxlebze daeca. yvelaze saintereso<br />
interviu baton merab kokoCaSvilTan<br />
1995 wels Caiwera da imave<br />
wels gamoqveynda Jurnal<br />
`fenomenis~ specialur gamoSvebaSi.<br />
mkiTxvels vTxovT,<br />
yuradReba gaamaxvilos<br />
im faqtebze, romlebic<br />
maSin Znelad dasajerebeli<br />
iyo, axla ki<br />
Zalze aqtualuria da mTeli msoflios<br />
yuradRebis centrSia moqceuli.<br />
mcire, Zalze mcire nawils sjera maTi da yuradRebiT ekideba TiToeul sityvas, maTgan gamosuls.<br />
ivane mrisxanis brZanebiT cixeSi Caamwyvdies Tormeti `jadoqari~, romlebmac mefes 18 marts<br />
gardacvaleba uwinaswarmetyveles. gaTenda Tvrameti martis dila da ivane IV-m brZana, cru<br />
winaswarmetyvelebisTvis Tormetive cocxlad daewvaT. `jadoqrebma~ protesti ganacxades: _<br />
dRe mxolod daiwyo. saRamomde SeicadeT da mere dagvwviTo.<br />
ivane mrisxane mTeli dRis ganmavlobaSi mSvenivrad grZnobda Tavs. sadilobisas waimRera<br />
kidec, mere Wadrakis dafas miujda da... uecrad Seqanda, gulze xeli itaca... ramdenime wuTSi mefe<br />
ivane IV gardaicvala.<br />
`ar gadaviwydes~, `daimaxsovre!~ _ imeorebs lela, radgan kargad icis, rom is, rac bedisweriTaa<br />
gansazRvruli, SeuZlebelia aicilo.<br />
roca lela wers dRiurSi: `mqonda Zlieri xilva~, me ukiduresi ndobiT vekidebi am Canawers.<br />
me mjera misi, radgan vici, winaswarmetyvelebis erT-erTi forma xilvaa, romelic aravin icis,<br />
rodis mova, rodis gaixsneba. rogorc lela ambobs, es yvelaferi uflis nebiT xdeba.<br />
Tu arsebobs energiis mudmivobis kanoni, Tu energia ukvalod ar qreba, maSasadame, arc Cvens<br />
mier gacemuli energia ikargeba. kacobriobam unda ipovos, Seqmnas misi aRmoCenis meqanizmi da<br />
unda daarsdes samecniero institutebi, romlebic Seiswavlian am meqanizms. xom arsebobs<br />
uxsovari droidan cnobebi misnobis Sesaxeb, maTi saxelebi, visac Seswevda momavlis Wvretis<br />
unari? Cemi ocnebaa, gadaviRo filmi lelaze _ WeSmarit winaswarmetyvelze. ufro didi ocnebaa,<br />
momeces saSualeba, erTad gadaviRo vanga da lela. gana ar unda aRi<strong>nu</strong>sxos firze es ori didi<br />
fenomeni? ras gvetyvian STamomavlebi, Tu Cven es ar gavakeTeT?<br />
zemoT lelas Canawerebidan ramdenime faqti vaxsene _ isini, romlebic piradad Cems ojaxs<br />
Seexeboda, magram araferi miTqvams sakacobrio mniSvnelobis winaswarmetyvelebebze, romlebic,<br />
rogorc Cans, momavalSi unda aRsruldes. es winaswarmetyvelebani evropas Seexeba da Zalze<br />
sagangaSoa. lela wers, rom yvela is konfliqti, romlebic wina aziis, samxreTi kaspiispireTis<br />
da dRevandeli ruseTis teritoriaze mimdinareobs, bolos da bolos, sarwmunoebriv omSi<br />
gadaizrdeba. RmerTma <strong>nu</strong> qnas, rom saqarTvelo da amierkavkasia CaiTrion am omSi. Tumca, rogorc<br />
lela irwmuneba, <strong>saqarTvelos</strong> imdenad Zlieri damcavi veli ifaravs, rom mis garSemo datrialebuli<br />
umZimesi situacia mas ar Seexeba.<br />
me mjera lelasi, imediT vuyureb momavals da mwams, rom qarTvel xalxs eyofa saRi<br />
azrovneba, gamWriaxoba da saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi dagrovili gamocdileba, raTa bewvis xidze<br />
usafrTxod gaiaros im udidesi gansacdelisas, rac am uzarmazar regions elis, sadac mudam<br />
vcxovrobdiT, axlac vcxovrobT da momavalSic vicxovrebT!<br />
mainc isaa, rom misi Semdgomi cxovreba swored ise warimarTa, rogorc qalbatonma lelam<br />
uwinaswarmetyvela. sxva mravalTan erTad, lelam elCs ojaxis dangrevac uwinaswarmetyvela,<br />
rac savsebiT SeuZleblad, absurdulad moeCvena baton elCs. mas metad megobruli ojaxi<br />
hqonda, magram oTxiode Tvis Semdeg isini daSordnen. ra aris es, damTxveva? araviTar<br />
SemTxvevaSi! es naTelxilvaa, WeSmariti naTelxilva. sxvaTa Soris, devon van skuarma<br />
mokiTxva damabara qalbaton lelasTan. axla is samxreT afrikaSi cxovrobs da Rrmadaa<br />
darwmunebuli, rom qalbatoni lelas energetikuli dacvis qveSaa, amitom Samanebis avgarozebi<br />
aRar sWirdeba.<br />
_ Tqvens ojaxze ra Tqva qalbatonma lelam?<br />
_ miTxra, rom me da Cemi meuRle Svilis gaCenas ratomRac ar vCqarobdiT, rac sruli<br />
simarTlea; miTxra, rom Cems cxovrebaSi metad seriozuli cvlilebebi iyo mosalodneli,<br />
rac ar davijere, magram mokle xanSi es winaswarmetyvelebac axda... lelam miTxra, kievSi<br />
aucileblad dabrundebio. simarTle giTxraT, es did absurdad momeCvena, radgan ukrainabelorusia-saqarTveloSi<br />
Cemi samsaxuris vada amowuruli iyo da samSobloSi mivemgzavrebodi.<br />
survili ki mqonda kvlav Sexvedrisa, magram darwmunebuli viyavi, rom aqeT<br />
aRarasodes momiwevda gamomgzavreba. rogorc giTxariT, samSobloSi davbrundi da iq<br />
ganvagrZe moRvaweoba... erT dRes ki moxda saocreba: kvlav kievSi dabruneba SemomTavazes.<br />
aRelvebulma maSinve davureke Temur iakobaSvils da Sevaxsene, lela kakulias<br />
winaswarmetyveleba Cemi ukan dabrunebis Taobaze. Temurs arc gahkvirvebia, misTvis es<br />
SeCveuli saswaulia. qalbaton lelasTan Cemi axlandeli viziti ki misi fenomenisadmi<br />
Tayvaniscemis dadasturebaa. warmogidgeniaT, oTxi wlis winandeli winaswarmetyvelebebi,<br />
romlebic mxolod Cems ojaxs ki ar Seexeboda, globaluri xasiaTi hqonda da mTlianad<br />
Cemi qveynis politikur cxovrebas Wvretda, saocari sizustiT axda. es wmida wylis<br />
winaswarmetyvelebaa. sxvaTa Soris, aseTi fenomeni Cvens qveyanaSi saxelmwifos seriozuli<br />
yuradRebis centrSia. arsebobs samTavrobo organizacia, romelSic aseTi fenomenebi<br />
arian gaerTianebulebi da maT niWs farTod iyeneben saxelmwifo moRvaweebi.<br />
_ ramdenime wlis win Tqveni qveynis mTavrobam <strong>saqarTvelos</strong> sagareo<br />
saqmeTa saministros gamougzavna oficialuri nota, romliTac dakarguli<br />
axalgazrda wyvilis Sesaxeb ityobinebodnen. Tqvens mTavrobas surda dakargulebis<br />
ZiebaSi qarTveli naTelmxilveli Careuliyo.<br />
_ diax, 1992 wlis oqtomberSi samxreT afrikaSi mcxovrebi axalgazrda wyvili _<br />
anita suaki da delari smiti evropaSi gaemgzavra. maT Sin ukanasknelad 1993 wels<br />
saberZneTidan darekes. amis mere ugzo-ukvlod gauCinardnen. wyvilis patronebma yvela<br />
Rone ixmares maT mosaZebnad, magram amaod. anitas mSoblebs Cven SevatyobineT, rom<br />
saqarTveloSi cxovrobs unikaluri adamiani, romelsac naTelxilvisa da winaswarmetyvelebis<br />
saocari unari aqvs. maT daxmareba Cveni qveynis mTavrobas sTxoves da Tqvens mier<br />
naxsenebi notac maSin gamoigzavna. baton Temur iakobaSvilis SuamdgomlobiT qalbaton<br />
lelas vTxoveT, dagvxmareboda gauCinarebulebis moZebnaSi da misma pasuxmac ar daayovna<br />
_ misi winaswarmetyveleba diplomatiuri arxebiT gadmogvces.<br />
SemdgomSi ganviTarebulma movlenebma aCvena, rom qarTvelma naTelmxilvelma zustad<br />
aRwera, rogor viTarebaSi daikarga wyvili. yvelaze gamaognebeli ki is iyo, rom daasaxela<br />
saxlis misamarTi da telefonis nomeri. Tumca iqve dasZina, rom saqmeSi figurireben<br />
dainteresebuli mxareebi, romelTac am informaciis mifuCeCeba surTo. qarTveli naTelmxilvelis<br />
es informacia Cems qveyanaSi Zalian seriozulad aRiqves da muSaobas Seudgnen.<br />
da moxda is, rac lelam iwinaswarmetyvela: rogorc Cans, viRaceebma marTlac dablokes am<br />
mimarTulebiT muSaoba garkveuli mizezebis gamo da wyvili isev iZebneba. lelam maSinac<br />
Tqva da axlac gamimeora: marTalia, viRaceebi Zebnas Seaferxeben, magram danamdvilebiT<br />
vxedav, wyvili cocxalia da saboloo jamSi, aucileblad ipovniano.<br />
kvlav vimeoreb zemoTqmuls: lela kakulia WeSmariti winaswarmetyvelia. misi fenomenaluri<br />
niWi aucileblad unda idges qveynis samsaxurSi. Cems qveyanaSi mTavroba lela<br />
kakuliasnair adamianebTan oficialurad TanamSromlobs da amasTan aranairi problemebi<br />
ar aqvs. piriqiT, did pativad miaCnia is Sroma, romelsac fenomenebi qveynis sasikeTod<br />
ewevian.<br />
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