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interviu Cawerilia 24 ianvars.<br />

_ qalbatono lela, rogorc iwinaswarmetyveleT,<br />

`didi ruseTisken~ momziral<br />

opozicionerTa ricxvi marTlac<br />

dRiTidRe izrdeba. imedgacruebul da<br />

yovelmxriv motyuebul sazogadoebas<br />

TiTqos aRaraferi ukvirs politikosebisgan,<br />

magram am bolo dros iseTma<br />

adamianebma daiwyes ruseTTan kavSirebis<br />

Zebna, romlebic manamde Zal-Rones<br />

ar iSurebdnen, oRond Cvens qveyanas<br />

Crdiloel mezobelTan yovelgvari urTierToba<br />

gaewyvita. ra xdeba, qalbatono<br />

lela, ratom Seicvales am adamianebma<br />

Sexedulebebi? imitom, rom TavianTi<br />

adrindeli pozicia mcdarad miiCnies<br />

da saqmis gamosworebas cdiloben,<br />

Tu maTi qmedebis ganmsazRvreli mxoloddamxolod<br />

piradi interesebia?<br />

_ am adamianebs arc adrindeli pozicia<br />

miaCniaT mcdarad da arc axlandeli. ubralod,<br />

aRar ician, ras ecnen da ra gaakeTon<br />

imisaTvis, rom politikuri arenidan ar gaqrnen<br />

da daviwyebas ar miecnen. magram maTi reitingi<br />

ukve nulis tolia. qarTvelma xalxma<br />

maT ar apatia, rom TviTon nacemebi da<br />

TvalebdaTxrilebi darCnen, opozicionerebidan<br />

ki, zogma zarzeimiT daxeuli sadeputato<br />

mandati aRadgina da parlamentSi Sevida,<br />

zogma prezidentTan aqtiuri Sexvedrebi da<br />

molaparakebebi gamarTa, zogmac garkveuli<br />

dividendebi miiRo; ra Tqma unda, dafarulad,<br />

magram xalxs araferi epareba, isini<br />

yvelafers xvdebian da Sesabamisad reagireben<br />

kidec, anu zurgi aqcies maT.<br />

axla me kidev erTxel vafrTxileb politikosebs<br />

da visac Wkua aqvs, gaigonos:<br />

qarTveli xalxi ar gapatiebT ruseTis Semoyvanas<br />

saqarTveloSi!<br />

sxvaTa Soris, ruseTs gamoTvlili hqonda,<br />

rom bevri opozicioneri gadaixreboda<br />

maT mxares da elodeboda am moments _<br />

qarTuli opoziciis srul svlas kremlisken.<br />

_ saidan hqondaT gamoTvlili?<br />

_ rusebi mikroskopiT akvirdebodnen CvenSi<br />

mimdinare movlenebs. maT icodnen, rom dasavleTi,<br />

amerika ar iziarebda Cveni opoziciis<br />

xedvebs, yurs ar ugdebda maT, miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom ramdenime maRali rangis ucxoeli<br />

politikosi da diplomati pirispir Sexvda<br />

opozicioner liderebs. amitom kremlisTvis<br />

gasagebi xdeboda, rom adre Tu gvian zogierTebi<br />

maTTan daiwyebdnen laparaks, principiT,<br />

Tu Sen ar mismen, imas davelaparakebi,<br />

vinc yurs damigdebso.<br />

_ ho, magram mters elaparakebian...<br />

_ aq muSaobs principi: oRond miSa<br />

gavuSvaT da Tu ginda, eSmaks SevekvrebiT,<br />

sxva, vinc ginda, is movideso. ase rom,<br />

didad ar dagideven, rom ruseTi ager, sul<br />

axlaxans, gvbombavda.<br />

amaze bevri SeiZleba iTqvas, magram mokled<br />

movWri: politika binZuria da yvelanairi<br />

TamaSi modis. Tanac, Cvens opozicionerebs<br />

sxva gza arc darCeniaT.<br />

_ magram es xom Ralatia? yovel<br />

SemTxvevaSi, swored ase afasebs xalxi<br />

axal `ruseTumeebs~.<br />

_ aba axla maT hkiTxe Tavad, aris Tu<br />

ara es Ralati? getyvian, araviTar SemTxvevaSi<br />

ar var moRalate, aseTia Cemi politikuri<br />

xedva da viTom ratom ar unda<br />

vcado ruseTTan urTierTobis mowesrigeba,<br />

iqneb am gzam gaamarTloso?<br />

magram unda icodnen am politikurma narCenebma,<br />

rom es gza damRupvelia maTTvis!<br />

sxvaTa Soris, swored amitom ar amuxruWebs<br />

maT saqarTvelos mTavroba. piriqiT, xelsac<br />

uwyobs da lamis TviTmfrinavis bileTebic<br />

ki uyidon. amiT or kurdRels iWeren: xalxsac<br />

aCveneben maT realur saxes da ruseTsac<br />

2<br />

da me getyviT Tqven...<br />

mkiTxvels mkiTxvels yovel yovel nomerSi nomerSi vTavazobT vTavazobT intervius<br />

intervius<br />

qarTvel qarTvel winaswarmetyvelTan.<br />

winaswarmetyvelTan. winaswarmetyvelTan. igi igi isaubrebs<br />

isaubrebs<br />

mocemuli mocemuli mocemuli momentisTvis momentisTvis yvelaze yvelaze metad metad aqtualur<br />

aqtualur<br />

Temebze, Temebze, Temebze, Tumca Tumca qalbatoni qalbatoni qalbatoni lelas lelas pasuxebi<br />

pasuxebi<br />

yovelTvis yovelTvis yovelTvis ee<br />

efuZne ee<br />

fuZne fuZneba fuZneba<br />

ba ramdenime ramdenime ramdenime wlis wlis win win Caweril<br />

Caweril<br />

winaswarmetyvelebebs.<br />

winaswarmetyvelebebs.<br />

aCereben. amiT dro iweleba, amasobaSi saqarTvelo<br />

iaraRdeba da erT mSvenier dRes natoSic<br />

moulodnelad amovyofT Tavs.<br />

opozicias Wkua unda exmara da Tu politikur<br />

sarbielze moZraoba undodaT, molaparakebebi<br />

ruseTTan ki ara, amerikasTan da dasavleTTan<br />

unda ewarmoebinaT, jiutad miwolodnen,<br />

ase vTqvaT, eeSmakaT, rom ramisTvis mieRwiaT.<br />

maT ki samoZraod kremlisken mimavali<br />

gza airCies. axla xalxi Cumad, uxmod adevnebs<br />

Tvalyurs opozicias da gulSi fiqrobs, kisrebic<br />

gitexiaTo, sabolood ki ar apatiebs maT<br />

rusuli politikis gatarebas.<br />

_ Tqven ambobT, rom ruseTTan kav-<br />

Sirebis mZebneli politikosebis arseboba<br />

erTgvarad aferxebs kremlis<br />

Canafiqris _ saqarTvelosTan axali<br />

Salva naTelaSvili:<br />

`ra Sefaseba unda mivce makkeinis<br />

vizits? saqarTvelom umaspinZla amerikis<br />

arCevnebSi wagebul opozicioners, amJa-<br />

omis dawyebis ganxorcielebaso. iqneb<br />

amas xvdebian es Cveni opozicioneri<br />

politikosebi?<br />

_ ara, amdeni azri ar aqvT, amaze arc<br />

ufiqriaT da arc fiqroben. Tavisi WkuiT,<br />

viTom ise `CaxlarTes~ yvelaferi, rom absoluturad<br />

Tamamad svamen kiTxvas: Tuki mTavroba<br />

amerikelebTan darbis, viTom Cven ratom ar<br />

unda virbinoT rusebTano? magram rusi rom<br />

agresoria, es, ratomRac, `daaviwydaT~.<br />

_ ese igi, sxva gza ar dautova<br />

opozicias mTavrobam.<br />

_ diax, asea. axla gaixsene 2007 wlis<br />

6 oqtombris winaswarmetyveleba:<br />

`vxedav, saqarTvelos prezidenti TiTqos<br />

daTmobebze midis opoziciasTan,<br />

magram es tyuili aRmoCndeba. igi cocxali<br />

TaviT ar daTmobs sakuTar poziciebs~.<br />

hoda, arc daTmo.<br />

Tumca aq sxva winaswarmetyvelebac asrulda:<br />

bevrs Camoexsna niRabi. es araerTxel<br />

miTqvams, magram Tema imdenad aqtualuria,<br />

rom amas lamis yoveldRe mekiTxebi da mec<br />

erTsa da imaves gpasuxob.<br />

_ qalbatono lela, axla vrceldeba<br />

informacia, rom moskovSi noRaidelTan<br />

erTad sxva opozicioneri liderebic<br />

gaemgzavrebian.<br />

_ zustad vici, rom isini Cems gazeTs<br />

kiTxuloben da iqneb dafiqrdnen. da kidev<br />

erTi ram gaiTvaliswinon: am mTavrobas awyobs<br />

maTi kremlis karze sirbili, Torem ki<br />

ar SercxvebaT, rom daiWiron.<br />

_ da kvlav rusuli Tema. aleqsandre<br />

ebraliZe ar isvenebs, sul ufro<br />

aqtiurad Cndeba arenaze da axal-axal<br />

proeqtebs sTavazobs qarTvel xalxs.<br />

samagierod, TiTqmis gaqra igor giorgaZe.<br />

gamodis, rom kremlma sabolood<br />

Tqva uari qarTuli `kagebes~ yofil<br />

Sefze da fsons axla mxolod ebraliZeze<br />

debs. Tu es asea, sainteresoa,<br />

riT `gaanawyena~ giorgaZem kremli da<br />

ratom dakarga ruseTis xelisuflebam<br />

mis mimarT interesi?<br />

_ igor giorgaZe arc gamoCndeba, imitom,<br />

rom is Cvens opozicias ar endoba.<br />

Tanac, man ukve moWama Tavisi dro. Tumca,<br />

kremlis mesveurebi mainc inaxaven saTadarigod,<br />

ra ici, raSi gamogvadgebao.<br />

rac Seexeba ebraliZes, adre vTqvi da<br />

kidev vimeoreb: ebraliZe marcxisTvis gan-<br />

mindel senators, romelsac amerikam, sabednierod,<br />

ndoba ar gamoucxada da romelmac<br />

saakaSvils yvela ukanono qmedeba<br />

`gauTeTra~. cxinvalis avantiura saakaSvilma<br />

swored makkeinis piar-jgufTan<br />

konsultaciebiT wamoiwyo, raTa amerikeli<br />

xalxis yuradReba gadaetanaT iqiT,<br />

rom mTel msoflios ruseTisgan safrTxe<br />

emuqreba da makkeini iqneba Cveni gadamrCenio!<br />

makkeinma, saqarTvelosgan rac darCa,<br />

isic unda Seiwiros _ baTumi, qvemo<br />

qarTli, samcxe-javaxeTi...<br />

ase usworebs angariSs saakaSvili mTel<br />

saqarTvelos!!!<br />

makkeini saqarTveloSi keTili zraxvebiT<br />

ar Camosula! saakaSvili ki yvelafers<br />

gaakeTebs imisaTvis, rom rusuli<br />

tankebi TbilisSi Semoiyvanos! ra<br />

Tqma unda, imasac cdilobs, rom Semdeg<br />

TviTon qveynidan gaiqces da ucxoeTis<br />

universitetebSi leqciebi waikiTxos, anu<br />

qveyana daaqcios, Tavad ki, rogorc `imedi<br />

xvalis~, gadarCes da darCenili cxovreba<br />

siamtkbilobaSi gaataros...~<br />

wiruli proeqtia!<br />

_ qalbatono lela, axla Zalian<br />

aqtualuria ukrainis Tema. qarTveli<br />

politikosebi SiSoben, Tu ukrainam axali<br />

prezidentis arCevis Semdeg rusuli<br />

veqtori airCia, saqarTvelos es<br />

Zalian bevr problemas Seuqmniso. arsebobs<br />

ki raime Sansi imisa, rom ukrainam<br />

ruseTTan urTierTobebi daaTbos, an<br />

ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba es moxdes?<br />

_ es arc erT SemTxvevaSi ar SeiZleba<br />

moxdes da arc moxdeba. ukraina rusul<br />

mxares ar daiWers. maT Zalian kargad ician,<br />

rom es sabWoTa kavSiris aRdgenas niSnavs<br />

da ar dauSvebs amas. vinc ar unda movides<br />

prezidentad, rusul mxareze arc erTi ar<br />

iTamaSebs. ise ki, unda icodeT, rom ianukoviCi<br />

kidev ufro saSiSia ruseTisTvis!<br />

_ qalbatono lela, saqarTveloSi,<br />

rogorc Tqven 2008 wlis 10 seqtembers<br />

brZaneT, ucxoeli diplomatebi da ma-<br />

Rali rangis politikosebi marTlac<br />

xSir-xSirad Camodian. isini gamudmebiT<br />

adastureben Cveni qveynis teritoriuli<br />

mTlianobis aRdgenisadmi mxardaWeras.<br />

cota xnis win senatori makkeini gaxldaT<br />

TbilisSi. zogierTma politikosma<br />

da politologma uaryofiTad Seafasa<br />

misi viziti da Tqva, makkeinis Camosvla<br />

safrTxebis Semcvelia, vinaidan igi, piradi<br />

interesebidan gamomdinare, saakaSvils<br />

ruseTTan axali omis dasawyebad aqezebso.<br />

is ki ara, 2008 wlis agvistos<br />

mTavari redaqtori: irma gelaSvili<br />

gazeTi registrirebulia vake-saburTalos raionul sagadasaxado inspeqciaSi.<br />

gazeTSi da vebgverdze gamoyenebuli masalebis da fotoebis gadabeWdva-gamoqveyneba<br />

redaqciis Tanxmobis gareSe akrZalulia. saavtoro uflebebi daculia.<br />

www.lelakakulia.ge / el-fosta: lelakakulia@yahoo.com<br />

(gagrZeleba gv.10)

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