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English Book: LOUD ZIKR in the Masjid Elsewhere Reply to MUFTI ELIAS Moulana Abdul Hai farther writes: "A third answer is this, that if Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not stop the Sahabah (radi Allahu anhum), they would have thought that it is Sunnah to make loud Zikr with distinction when travelling or climbing on a high place. Sunnat, as it is proven from the sayings and actions, similarly it is proven from not stopping as well. For the reason of ease on the Ummah, Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) stopped them from loudness. Therefore unconditional prohibition of loud Zikr is not proven". (Sabahatul Fikr, pg. 57-8) Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi writes: "Answer to this Hadith is given with these words ‘mildness and ease is commanded, loudness is not stopped unconditionally’". (Fatawa Imdadia, Vol. 4, pg. 45) Moulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani Deobandi writes: "According to me this Hadith is attributed to Mufrat (excessive) loudness". (Fathul Mulham, Vol. 2, pg. 172) The references which we have quoted above prove that in this Hadith only Mufrat (excessive) loudness is being prohibited. Please take a look at these references again. Are these personalities incorrect - Allama Aaloosi, Allama Khairuddin Ramli, Shaikh Abdul Haq Mohaddith Dehlawi, Shah Wali’ullah Mohaddith Dehlawi, Moulana Abdul Hai Lakhnawi, Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi and Moulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani? Deobandi Ulama write: RAISING OF THE VOICE IN THE MUSJID 1. Hadhrat Saa'ib bin Yazid (radi Allahu anhu) says that once he was sitting in Musjid-e-Nabawi (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) when someone threw a few pebbles in his direction. When he looked up he saw that it was Hadhrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu), who told him to call a certain two persons to him. When the two were brought in front of him, they were asked from which tribe and family they belonged. (The narrator doubts, and says that they were probably) asked from where they came. They said that they were inhabitants of Taaif. Hadhrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) told them that if they were from Madinah Tayyibah, then he would have punished them, because: "You raised your voices in the Musjid of Nabi (sallallahu alaihi wasallam)".[Bukhari Shareef, page 67, vol.11 2. Hadhrat Abu Huraira (radi Allahu anhu) narrates a Hadith where Nabi (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) stated 15 signs of Qiyaamah, and he (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said that they (these signs) will surely transpire. One of these signs are: "Voices will be raised in the Masaajid." [Mishkaat Shareef, page 470, vol.2 - from Tirmidhi, page 44, vol.2] 3. Regarding this Hadith, Mullah Ali Qaari Hanafi (rahmatullahi alaihi) (passed away 1014A.H.), made the following commentary: "Some of our Ulama have clearly stated that to raise the voice in the Musjid is HARAAM, even if it is for Zikr." [Mirqaat, page 171, vol.1 B Multan print] 4. Allaama Ala’ud Deen Muhammed bin Ali Hanafi (rahmatullahi alaihi) (passed away 1088 A.H.), writes the following under the Adaabs (etiquettes) of the Musjid: "To ask (for something) in the Musjid is HARAAM, and to give (something) is Makrooh. Similarly, to look for a lost item in the Musjid (is Makrooh). To recite poems in the Musjid is also Makrooh, unless they are for advice. Similarly, to recite loud Zikr in the Musjid is HARAAM, except for those who are seeking Ilm or Fiqh (i. e. for students of Deen, if they are learning in the Musjid)." [Durrul Mukhtaar with the Sharah Raddul Mukhtaar, page 617, vol.1, Misr print] 5. Hadhrat Ma'az bin Jabal (radi Allahu anhu) reported that Nabi (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Keep your children and your insane persons from the Masaajid, also (keep) your buying, selling, quarrels and RAISED VOICES (away from the Masaajid)". [AI-Kabeeri, page 566-7-Musannif Abdur Razzak, page 442, vol.1 - Beirut print] 6. Alaama Sayyid Mahmood Aaloosi Hanafi (rahmatullahi alaihi) (passed away 1270 A.H.), mentioned the following regarding loud Zikr: "You see many persons, from amongst your era, who yell when they make du'aa, especially in gatherings (in the Masaajid), to such an extent that they make them (du'aas) poetic. They holler to such an extent that ears even get clogged. They are (blissfully) unaware that they have perpetrated two (2) Bid’as. One is to raise the voice in the Musjid". [Roohul Ma’aani, page 139, vol. 8] NooreMadinah Network - http://www.NooreMadinah.net
English Book: LOUD ZIKR in the Masjid Elsewhere Reply to MUFTI ELIAS In the 1st, 2nd and 5th points mentioned above, just the raising of the voice in the Masjid is being condemned. There are no indications of the loud Zikr being Haraam in the Masjid. The raising of the voice does not necessarily means it is the Zikr of Allah that is being conducted with a loud voice. It could mean the raising of the voice for anything other than the Zikr. The Deobandi Ulama claim that loud Zikr is Haraam, so they must present specific proof against loud Zikr. Their claim and proof do not correspond. We do agree that the voice should not be raised in the Masjid other than for the Zikr of Allah Ta’ala. It is mentioned in "Fatawa Alamgiri": "No voice should be raised in the Masjid besides the Zikr of Allah Ta’ala". (Fatawa Alamgiri, Vol. 4, pg. 94) In the 6th proof, Allama Aaloosi firstly talks about Du’a, therefore his discussion centres around the boundaries of Du’a and not the disputed issue of loud Zikr. Secondly, his discussion is directly refuting excessive loudness. Surely, anyone with some type of intellectual capacity can understand these words: "They holler to such an extent that ears even get clogged". In the 3rd proof it is written, with the reference of Hazrat Mulla Ali Qari, "To raise the voice in the Masjid is Haraam, even if it is for Zikr". We will, Insha- Allah, explain what is meant by Mulla Ali Qari’s quotation, but first we would like to present what Mullah Ali Qari believes in regard to loud Zikr. Mullah Ali Qari (radi Allahu anhu) writes: "Mazhar said that this Hadith denotes on the permissibility of loud Zikr, rather on the Istehbaab (desirability) of loud Zikr, when it is free from show, so that the Deen maybe proclaimed, listeners are educated, and those who are sleeping in carelessness are awaken. Blessing of Zikr could reach to the trees, stones, animals and humans". (Mirqaat, Vol. 3, pg. 172) We have proved, with the reference of Mullah Ali Qari, that loud Zikr is permissible and even desirable. What else could be said about the statement of some Ulama, which Mulla Ali Qari has reported? That this statement is attributed to excessive loudness or the loudness, which is done for the purpose of show, and this is an undisputed issue. In the 4th proof, it is written with the reference of "Raddul Mukhtaar" (Shaami): "To recite loud Zikr in the Masjid is Haraam". In a strong effort to educate the Deobandi Ulama who fail to understand that loud Zikr refers to excessive loudness, we therefore conclude that this statement obviously refers to excessive loudness. Allama Shaami writes: "The past and present Ulama reached a consensus that it is Mustahab (desirable) to make loud Zikr with congregation in the Masjid or elsewhere". (Fatawa Raddul Mukhtaar (Shaami), Vol. 1, pg. 618) If the Deobandi Ulama have no respect for "Fatawa Shaami", allow me then to present Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi’s Fatwa. This Fatwa of Moulana Thanwi might be some respect among his followers. He said: "The past and the present Ulama reached a consensus that it is Mustahab to make loud Zikr with congregation in the Masjid or elsewhere. Except that, the loudness must not disturb any sleeping person, anybody performing Salaah and person reciting Quran. Similarly, is mentioned in the books of Fiqh. It is mentioned in ‘Halbi’ that if there is no fear of show then the loud recitation is better". (Fatawa Imdadia, Vol. 4, pg. 45 Matboo’a Mujtabai) Deobandi Ulama write: Imaam Haafizuddeen Muhammed bin Muharnmed Bazazi Hanafi (rahmatullahi alaihi) (passed away 827 A.H.) Writes: "It is stated in Fataawa Qaadhi Khaan, that to raise the voice in Zikr in the Musjid is HARAAM. The following incident is authentically reported from Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Mas'ood (radi Allahu anhu), that he heard some people who were gathered in the Musjid reciting Laa Ilaaha Illollahu and Durood Shareef loudly. Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn Mas'ood (radi Allahu anhu) went to them and said: 'We did not witness such an act during the time of Nabi (sallallahu alaihi wasallam), and I regard you as Rid'atees. 'He repeated this again and again until he ejected them from the Musjid [Fataawa Bazazia, page 375, vol.3] The reference has already been given with the quotation of "Fatawa Kharia". Hazrat Allama Khairuddin Ramli explains NooreMadinah Network - http://www.NooreMadinah.net
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