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<strong>The</strong> <strong>Real</strong> <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>: <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll’s <strong>Muse</strong> & Rumors About <strong>The</strong>ir Relatio...http://bookstove.com/classics/the-real-alice-<strong>in</strong>-wonderland-lewis-carrolls-muse-rumor...<strong>Page</strong> 1 <strong>of</strong> 821.03.2012Bookstove• Home• Book Talk• Classics• Children• Poetry• DramaHome » Classics » <strong>The</strong> <strong>Real</strong> <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>: <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll’s <strong>Muse</strong> & Rumors About <strong>The</strong>ir Relationship5<strong>The</strong> <strong>Real</strong> <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>: <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll’s <strong>Muse</strong> & Rumors About <strong>The</strong>ir RelationshipPublished by Francesca Fiore, August 16, 2010Partnersuche mit eDarl<strong>in</strong>gErleben Sie den Frühl<strong>in</strong>g geme<strong>in</strong>sam. Partnersucheauf neuem Niveauwww.Religion.eDarl<strong>in</strong>g.atFotolia - Bilder für alleÜber 14Mio lizenzfreie Fotos im Abo ab 0,14€ odere<strong>in</strong>zeln ab nur 0,75€!de.Fotolia.com/Lizenzfrei_und_AboDisney Kreuzfahrtenbis zu 65% billiger buchen z.B. Disney Dream zuden BahamasMaus-und-Meer.deHow to Read Piano MusicNow You Can Learn How to Read Piano Music <strong>in</strong> Just7 Days!SpeedyMusicRead<strong>in</strong>g.com<strong>Alice</strong> Lidell was the <strong>in</strong>spiration for <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>. Was there someth<strong>in</strong>g s<strong>in</strong>ister about therelationship between <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll and this little girl? Was <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll’s obsession with children<strong>in</strong>nocent or evil?Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, better known as his pen name <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll, had a real <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> his life, the daughter <strong>of</strong> the Dean<strong>of</strong> Christ Church, Oxford, <strong>Alice</strong> Liddell, where Dodgson lived and worked as a lecturer <strong>in</strong> mathematics and church deacon.Charles was a tall, attractive man. Popular myth has it that he was shy and socially awkward, but <strong>in</strong> reality he traveled <strong>in</strong> widesocial circles. He did have a pronounced stammer that some people said didn’t present itself if he was speak<strong>in</strong>g with children.<strong>The</strong> fact they he enjoyed the company <strong>of</strong> children and had many child companions, mostly little girls, was well known.


<strong>The</strong> <strong>Real</strong> <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>: <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll’s <strong>Muse</strong> & Rumors About <strong>The</strong>ir Relatio...http://bookstove.com/classics/the-real-alice-<strong>in</strong>-wonderland-lewis-carrolls-muse-rumor...<strong>Page</strong> 2 <strong>of</strong> 821.03.2012<strong>Alice</strong> Liddell as a Beggar Girl, age 7, taken by Charles DodgsonHis relationship with <strong>Alice</strong> and her closest sibl<strong>in</strong>gs <strong>in</strong> age Lor<strong>in</strong>a, whowas three years older, and Edith, who was two years younger, begansoon after the Liddell family moved <strong>in</strong>to the deanery. Dodgson lived nextdoor and could observe the girls play <strong>in</strong> the garden through a w<strong>in</strong>dow.He <strong>of</strong>ten asked that the girls visit. Be<strong>in</strong>g a gifted amateur photographerwhen the art form was still quite new, he frequently requestedpermission to photograph them.Mrs. Liddell was not as big <strong>of</strong> a fan <strong>of</strong> Charles Dodgson as her childrenwere and was quite chilly to him. As early as 1856, which was the sameyear the family took up residence at the deanery, she asked him to stoptak<strong>in</strong>g photos <strong>of</strong> them. Due to her frost<strong>in</strong>ess, Dodgson kept away untilthe Dean and Mrs. Liddell took a vacation without the girls and he tookthe opportunity to <strong>in</strong>gratiate himself with the nanny, Mrs. Prickett. Hewas aga<strong>in</strong> see<strong>in</strong>g the girls frequently and rumors began to stir about anaffair between the Reverend Dodgson and the governess. Accord<strong>in</strong>g to Dodgson’s diaries there was noth<strong>in</strong>g to this.In 1862, on a row<strong>in</strong>g trip on <strong>The</strong> Isis with the Liddell girls and a colleague, Rev. Duckworth, <strong>Alice</strong>, age 10 at the time, askedDodgson to enterta<strong>in</strong> them with a story, someth<strong>in</strong>g he <strong>of</strong>ten did. <strong>The</strong> result was <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>, or rather the first draft.<strong>Alice</strong> was so delighted with “her story” she begged Dodgson to write it down, someth<strong>in</strong>g he did <strong>in</strong> the com<strong>in</strong>g months.


<strong>The</strong> <strong>Real</strong> <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>: <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll’s <strong>Muse</strong> & Rumors About <strong>The</strong>ir Relatio...http://bookstove.com/classics/the-real-alice-<strong>in</strong>-wonderland-lewis-carrolls-muse-rumor...<strong>Page</strong> 3 <strong>of</strong> 821.03.2012Read more <strong>in</strong> Classics« 100 Days <strong>of</strong> Fantasy, Day 19: Paradise LostLiterary Works <strong>of</strong> <strong>The</strong> Ancient Hebrews and Ancient Greeks »<strong>Alice</strong> Liddel and Charles Dodgson Kiss<strong>in</strong>gSoon after, however, Dodgson suffered a fall<strong>in</strong>g out with theLiddells <strong>in</strong> June <strong>of</strong> 1963. He was never to visit the girls aga<strong>in</strong>.Rumors circulated at the time that is was over college politics or that the parents <strong>of</strong> the little girls thought he was us<strong>in</strong>g theirfriendship to court the governess. Darker whispers centered on Mrs. Liddell becom<strong>in</strong>g suspicious <strong>of</strong> a s<strong>in</strong>gle man <strong>in</strong> his 30sbe<strong>in</strong>g so focused on young children and all the horrible th<strong>in</strong>gs that eludes to. What happened that was the f<strong>in</strong>al break<strong>in</strong>gpo<strong>in</strong>t? Much <strong>of</strong> the scandal <strong>in</strong> the years follow<strong>in</strong>g owed not to any evidence, but the disturb<strong>in</strong>gly convenient lack <strong>of</strong> it.Upon the sudden death <strong>of</strong> the man the world knew as <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll from pneumonia, the Dodgson family became heirs <strong>of</strong>what probably seemed to them mounta<strong>in</strong>s <strong>of</strong> personal papers. Much <strong>of</strong> it they discarded but they kept his diaries. His journalsstayed <strong>in</strong> the family until they were given to the British <strong>Muse</strong>um <strong>in</strong> 1969. Scholars who were hop<strong>in</strong>g to f<strong>in</strong>d out more aboutDodgson’s time with <strong>Alice</strong> were go<strong>in</strong>g to be disappo<strong>in</strong>ted- the years <strong>of</strong> companionship he spent with the Liddell children weremiss<strong>in</strong>g. From April 18, 1858 to May 8, 1862 has disappeared, most likely destroyed by someone <strong>in</strong> the Dodgson family. Alsodamn<strong>in</strong>g, is the fact that key pages from his other diaries, most notably June 27-29, 1963 which would cover the cause <strong>of</strong> thef<strong>in</strong>al break with Liddell family. Although a huge supply <strong>of</strong> letters between Charles Dodgson and his other child friends survive,not one letter between him and his <strong>Alice</strong> has ever been found. Clearly, there was someth<strong>in</strong>g to hide.Through the years, what may have occurred has been noth<strong>in</strong>g but speculation. <strong>The</strong> idea that there was anyth<strong>in</strong>g s<strong>in</strong>ister orunseemly about the relationship between famous <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll and his muse <strong>Alice</strong> Liddell seemed a bit unfair s<strong>in</strong>ce CharlesDodgson was not alive to defend himself. <strong>The</strong> fans <strong>of</strong> <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong> and Through the Look<strong>in</strong>g Glass did not want tohear wild gossip about the author <strong>of</strong> such beloved whimsical children literature. <strong>The</strong>n the “lost” photos surfaced.<strong>The</strong>se photographs were all <strong>of</strong> young girls and many were nude. <strong>The</strong>ir poses were <strong>of</strong>ten contrived to be sultry or allur<strong>in</strong>g,more mature than you would expect portraits <strong>of</strong> children to be. Many critics have jumped to Charles Dodgson’s defensesay<strong>in</strong>g that times were different then and the image <strong>of</strong> a nude child was noth<strong>in</strong>g but <strong>in</strong>nocence. <strong>The</strong>re was certa<strong>in</strong>ly


<strong>The</strong> <strong>Real</strong> <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>: <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll’s <strong>Muse</strong> & Rumors About <strong>The</strong>ir Relatio...http://bookstove.com/classics/the-real-alice-<strong>in</strong>-wonderland-lewis-carrolls-muse-rumor...<strong>Page</strong> 4 <strong>of</strong> 821.03.2012noth<strong>in</strong>g immoral <strong>in</strong> their nature, they contend. We may never know Dodgson’s motivation for his photography, but if someonetoday would be found with photos <strong>of</strong> their friends children posed nude, it would be considered <strong>in</strong>appropriate at best and morelike illegal.Evelyn Hatch, photographed by Charles Dodgson, colored by Anne Lydia BondIt appears that whatever was between <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll and the real <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong> is lost to history. <strong>Alice</strong> Hargreaves,which was <strong>Alice</strong>’s married name, never alluded to what prompted her family to break <strong>of</strong>f contact with Charles Dodgson. Hermother went so far as to forbid her father’s biographer from even mention<strong>in</strong>g Charles Dodgson’s name. Perhaps the verysecrecy <strong>of</strong> all <strong>in</strong>volved has put an evil sp<strong>in</strong> on someth<strong>in</strong>g that was quite mundane, and the photos <strong>of</strong> <strong>in</strong>nocent children are justthat- <strong>in</strong>nocent.Gefällt mir18 „Gefällt mir“-Angaben. Registrieren, um sehen zu können, wasde<strong>in</strong>en Freunden gefällt.Selected for you by a sponsor:My Boyfriend Gave Me HIV, <strong>The</strong>n I Gave It to Our Daughter (Essence.com)Vatican accepts shame <strong>of</strong> Irish child abuse (F<strong>in</strong>ancial Times)You might be <strong>in</strong>terested <strong>in</strong>:10 Must Have (Free) Droid Apps (Computersight)Book Review: A Rumor <strong>of</strong> War Part Two (Bookstove)Charles Dodgson, and <strong>The</strong> Mythos <strong>of</strong> <strong>Lewis</strong> Caroll (Bookstove)THE Story <strong>in</strong> THE Song Jefferson Airplane White Rabbit (HealthMad)9Liked itI Like Italice liddell alice-<strong>in</strong>-wonderland charles dodgson charles dodgson photographs <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll lewis carroll photographs lewiscarroll photos real alice <strong>in</strong> wonderland Through the look<strong>in</strong>g glassSearch<strong>in</strong>g for lewis carroll obsession with alice?Books by <strong>Lewis</strong> CarrollCompare prices from over 90 bookstores f<strong>in</strong>d<strong>in</strong>g cheap deals every time!ISBNS.netChitika | Opt out?Liked this? Share it!


<strong>The</strong> <strong>Real</strong> <strong>Alice</strong> <strong>in</strong> <strong>Wonderland</strong>: <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll’s <strong>Muse</strong> & Rumors About <strong>The</strong>ir Relatio...http://bookstove.com/classics/the-real-alice-<strong>in</strong>-wonderland-lewis-carrolls-muse-rumor...<strong>Page</strong> 5 <strong>of</strong> 821.03.2012• Subscribe to our RSS feed.5 Comments1.drelayarajaPosted August 17, 2010 at 2:18 amUnique share2.rebell115Posted August 18, 2010 at 12:20 amgood <strong>in</strong>fo3.C.S. NelsonPosted September 7, 2010 at 3:26 pmCould expla<strong>in</strong> his obsession with chang<strong>in</strong>g size.4.Angus M<strong>of</strong>fettPosted March 31, 2011 at 8:32 pmRumor, <strong>in</strong>nuendo, all brought to the fore by popular mythology, ‘historical fictions’ like ‘Still She Haunts Me’ and “<strong>Alice</strong> IHave Been’ and film.Also – the photo presented here <strong>of</strong> Dodgson and <strong>Alice</strong> kiss<strong>in</strong>g is a fake. It isn’t a terribly good idea to compose anarticle ostensibly about whether Dodgson was a pedophile and then present a fake photo <strong>of</strong> him that seems to re<strong>in</strong>forcethat image.<strong>The</strong> popular obsession with the ‘dark side’ <strong>of</strong> <strong>Lewis</strong> Carroll is one that would have shocked him – there is ZEROevidence <strong>of</strong> any drug use, or sexual relationship with ANYONE, least <strong>of</strong> all a child. He was a deeply religious man andwhile he never pursued a church career (he loved the theater and photography too much), his life is an example <strong>of</strong>chastity. If Dodgson had been the monster that so many try to <strong>in</strong>s<strong>in</strong>uate, he would have been rebuked from society –he was not. He rema<strong>in</strong>ed on very good terms with many <strong>of</strong> his child-friends even after they grew up and allphotographs he took <strong>of</strong> them, <strong>in</strong>clud<strong>in</strong>g the nudes, were does with the strictest permission <strong>of</strong> their parents. Suchimages were not unusual <strong>in</strong> Victorian England – naked children were presented as images <strong>of</strong> cherubic <strong>in</strong>nocence.If Dodgson harbored any deeper feel<strong>in</strong>gs for his child friends, he kept it strictly to himself.5.Duane WyattPosted September 4, 2011 at 6:48 pmvery different i respect the fact it must have took time to write it, i thought it was very good, well done.Leave a Reply


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