Big PDF Ghent July 2012 - Ghent PDF Workgroup

Minutes General Meeting 

General meeting 

GWG Meeting July 2012 

info@gwg.org 

www.gwg.org 

Authors Vicki Blake 

Executive Director 

Isabelle De Milde 

Admin Assistant 

Date August 28, 2012 

Status Final


Table of Contents 

1 General Meeting Minutes .................................................................................. 3 

1.1 Agenda ........................................................................................................ 3 

1.2 Attendance .................................................................................................. 3 

1.3 Meeting overview .......................................................................................... 4 

1.4 Observers/Members ...................................................................................... 4 

1.5 Meeting Structure ......................................................................................... 4 

1.6 Next meetings .............................................................................................. 5 

1.7 Treasurer ..................................................................................................... 6 

1.8 Meetings 2013 .............................................................................................. 6 

1.9 Action items ................................................................................................. 6


1 General Meeting Minutes 

1.1 Agenda 

THURSDAY July 12 th 

9:00-11:00 Executive Committee Meeting 

11:00-12:00 SubCommittee Chairs Meeting 

12:00-1:00 Lunch 

1:00-2:00 General Mtg VB 

2:00-3:00 Specifications PK/EC 

3:00-3:15 Break 

3:15-4:00 Compliancy DH 

4:00-5:00 Job Ticketing TB 

FRIDAY July 13 th 

9:00-9:15 Standards Update LR 

9:15-10:00 Process Control SJ 

10:00-11:00 Marketing HJ 

11:00-11:15 Break 

11:15-12:00 Cross Media Bvl/ED 

12:00-12:45 Lunch 


1:15-2:15 Variable data - DI 

2:15-2:30 Color - DZ 

2:30-3:15 Job Ticketing - TB 

3:15 Wrap up/Adjourn 

1.2 Attendance 

Name Company 

Bailes-Collins Andrew Enfocus 

Battrick George ERA 

Beckenham Tom Specle 

Blake Vicki CGS 

Brunner Laurel Digital Dots 

Caza Michel FESPA Ltd 

Claes Peter Febelgra 

Cloots Elli Enfocus 

Danis Erwin Medibel+ 

De Milde Isabelle GWG 

Dressler Holger EFI 

Ginguené Pascale UNIC 

Guenther Matthias Quark 

Haazen Didier VIGC


Name Company 

Hagen Eddy VIGC 

Isaacs Dov Adobe Systems Incorporated 

Jaeggi Stephan VSD 

Josefsen Hanne rotasjon.no 

Kennedy Dianne IDEAlliance 

Kleinheider Peter PDFX-Ready 

Korsmit Peter CMBO 

Lataste Pierre Dalim Software GmbH 

Leurs Laurens Agfa Graphics 

Lindstrom Paul Digital Dots 

Maes Peter Medibel+ 

Mooij Menno CMBO 

Rosenthol Leonard Adobe Systems Incorporated 

Salicetti Denis Taga Italia 

Stark Igor Mediagraf 

van der Meulen Arjen Kodak Graphic Communications 

Van Looy Bart Sanoma Magazines Belgium NV 

Viscardo Damiano Soluzionisubito 

Vorländer Sebastian GMG GmbH & C° KG 

Zwang Dave Printing Industries of America 

1.3 Meeting overview 

The Packaging subcommittee meeting was cancelled as no co-chair present. 

1.4 Observers/Members 

1.4.1 New observers - Paul Lindstrom, consultant, and Laurel Brunner, consultant, of 

Digital Dots & Spindrift. They want to be aware of GWG activities. 

1.4.2 Lost members 

- Onevision 

- Andy Psarianos resigns as Treasurer and Chair positions 

- future membership by FE Burman not confirmed 

1.5 Meeting Structure 

1.5.1 Group Charter 

This should normally be discussed at the Annual Meeting. We need to revise this practice. 

There is a request to think about the group charter (direction/path) and discuss this 

during the General Meeting in October. For those not attending, please send comments 

to Vicki B.


1.5.2 Membership & Participation 

Increase membership, value to members, and active/consistent participation by 

members. 

Dov I. asks what we can do to get the expertise of vendors (new and old)?? *Not sure 

what this means? 

1.5.3 Agenda Revision 

Following are proposals: 

- Have focused (working) subcommittees and move the general meeting to the end as a 

summary meeting; everyone agrees 

- Have overlapping subcommittee meetings where participants chose their meetings of 

interest; general disagreement – though specific ones could overlap 

- Provide a separate room for those who are not interested; general agreement - first 

trial in Oct 2012 meeting 

- Change the number of meetings per year to accommodate the changes, 

- 3 meetings per year (1 in Ghent, 1 in Europe, 1 in the US); everyone agrees 

- 3 days (2 full days for all SC, general, and seminar); everyone agrees 

- Provide commercial/educational sessions - based on group vote; everyone agrees 

- Increase in-between subcommittee meetings 

1.5.4 Reporting 

Subcommittee minutes will be provided to Isabelle by the end of the meeting. 

1.5.5 Association input 

Increased association input is necessary. 

Associations & Vendors (2 each) get 5 min presentations per meeting to present how 

they support the GWG (PIA & PDF/X* as associations and Adobe & Specle). * do you 

mean pdf/x ready? 

1.6 Next meetings 

1.6.1 Seminar on Tuesday, Oct 9 at Graph Expo in Chicago 

We need an agenda for the seminar. This agenda will be used for future seminars next 

year. The audience will be primarily printers. 

At the GWG we do not have many designers; however, we must address these at a later 

seminar. 

A number of the vendor members will have solutions that support PDF/X-4. 

There will be a review of all presentations before the seminar. 

Agenda: 

- Why do we need PDF/X-4? 

- Why do we need GWG? 

- PDF/X-4 Creation (including problems and fixes) 

- PDF/X-4 preflight, settings and guideline/tools 

- How to proof 

- How to process 

- How to move from here to there 

- Advantages & Problems 

- Solving Problems 

- Use cases: Novartis and Endress + Hauser 

Presenters: Dave Z, Elli C, Menno M (?) 

Authoring: Menno M, Dov, Leonard, Pierre L, Didier H, Peter K 

1.6.2 Pittsburgh Meeting on October 11 & 12 (hosted by Printing Industries of 

America) 

Doubletree Hilton hotel in Pittsburgh 

Meeting on the Printing Industries of America premises (transportation will be provided)


1.7 Treasurer 

Call for nominations for Treasurer as Andy P resigned. 

1.8 Meetings 2013 

Jan 23-25: London (Adobe) 

Jun 5-7: Gent 

Oct 23-25: Canada (Ryerson University) or Minneapolis (CGS) - both are same for EU 

cost-wise and ease of access 

1.9 Action items 

Action Item Assigned to Due 

Send in thoughts about the GWG charter to Vicki 

Blake 

All members Oct 2012 

meeting in 

Pittsburgh 

Send in nominations for Treasurer to Vicki Blake All members 2 weeks

Ghent Workgroup 

General Meeting 

July 12, 2012

July Meeting Agenda 

THURSDAY July 12 th 

9:00-11:00 Executive Committee Meeting 

11:00-12:00 SubCommittee Chairs Meeting 

12:00-1:00 Lunch 

1:00-2:00 General Mtg VB 

2:00-3:00 Specifications PK/EC 

3:00-3:15 Break 

3:15-4:00 Compliancy DH 

4:00-4:30 Job Ticketing TB 

4:30-5:00 Standards update LR 

FRIDAY July 13 th 

9:00-10:00 Process Control SJ 

10:00-11:00 Marketing HJ 

11:00-11:15 Break 


12:00-12:45 Lunch 


1:15-2:30 Variable data - DI 

2:30-3:00 Color - DZ 

3:00 Wrap up/Adjourn

Agenda 

• Intro’s / Welcome 

• Executive Committee 

• Membership update 

• New Meeting Format 

• Next Meetings 

− Chicago Seminar

Intros/Welcome

Welcome 

• Observers: 

Laurel Brunner – Digital Dots 

Paul Lindstrom – Digital Dots

Membership 

• New Members: 

• Lost Members: 

• OneVision 

• Andy Psarianos

Executive Committee 

• Treasurer: 

− Andy Psarianos has resigned 

− Please send nominations to Vicki within by 30 th 

July

Membership Update 

• 46 members 

− 17 associations 

− 15 vendors 

− 11 industry 

− 3 educational

Association Members (17) 

BPIF UK 

CMBO the Netherlands 

DDPFF Denmark 

ERA Europe 

Febelgra Belgium 

Fespa UK 

FTA USA 

Idealliance USA 

Medibel+ Belgium 

Nederlands Uitgeversverbond Netherlands 

Pdf/x-ready Switzerland 

Printing Industries of America USA 

rotasjon Norway 

Taga Italia Italy 

UNIC France 

VIGC Belgium 

VSD Switzerland

Vendor Members (15) 

Adobe 

Adstream 

Agfa 

Callas 

CGS 

Dalim 

EFI 

Enfocus Software 

EskoArtwork 

GMG 

Kodak 

Quark 

Remote Director 

Screen 

Specle

Industry Members (11) 

Associated News UK 

bleuprocess France 

F.E. Burman UK 

Four Pees Belgium 

Litografia Roses Spain 

Phototype USA 

PublishingTools4U Belgium 

Sagamgraphic Belgium 

Sanoma Media Belgium 

Soluzionisubito Italy 

Square France

Educational Members (3) 

University of Wuppertal Germany 

Ryerson University Canada 

Mediagraph France

Meeting attendance Reminder 

Please pay for dinner tonight!! 

Please let Isabelle know: 

hotel needs 

dinner attendance 

MEETING attendance 

must have accurate counts for hotel/internet, etc. 

Thanks!

Goals 

• Per Executive Committee, we need to improve: 

• Reviewing Group Charter Annually 

• Membership – benefits to existing – attractiveness to new ones 

• Participation 

• Reporting 

• Association Input

Meeting Structure 

Group Charter 

please prepare to discuss this @ October meeting 

Agenda Revisions 

General Mtg/Summary meeting 

– move to end & summarize all SC meetings – VOTED YES 

SC meetings 

overlap? VOTED NO 

# of meetings VOTED 3/year 

Commercial/Education Sessions – VOTED YES 

Subcommittee Meeting Structure 

focused 

participants/participation 

more inbetween meetings 

I’net? VOTED for separate rooms 

Reporting

Next Meetings

2012 meetings 

• July 12,13 – Gent, Belgium 

• October 11,12 – Pittsburgh, USA – update 

• Conflicts: 

− ICC/Fogra week jan 30 th 

− Spectrum 

− SGIA 

− Easter & Passover – 5-14 april? 

− Drupa 3 may - ?? 

− Graph Esko – 7-10 Oct 

− IFRA 29-? Oct

October in Pittsburgh 

Meeting room, I’net confirmed @ Printing Industries 

of America 

Hotel rooms confirmed @ Hilton DoubleTree 

Hotel PittsburghdowntownDoubleTree.com 

Seminar planned for Tuesday in Chicago (during 

Graph Expo)

October Seminar 

Dave Zwang 

Chicago 

Meeting room confirmed

PDF/X-4 Seminar 

• Why do we need PDF/X-4 ? 

• PDF/X-4 + GWG 

• PDF/X-4 Creation (incl. problems and 

fixes)/Tools 

• PDFX-4 preflight, settings and 

guideline/Tools 

• How to Proof 

• How to Process/Tools 

− aggregation

PDF/X-4 Seminar 

• - How to move from here to there 

• - Advantages/Problems 

− Solving problems 

• Use cases: Novartis and Endress + 

Hauser 

• Deliverables

2013 meetings – 3 meetings 

• January 23-25 – London? 

• June 5-7 – Gent, Belgium 

• October 23-25 – US Ryerson (Toronto)? 

• Conflicts: 

CGS offers Minneapolis 

− Print 8-12 sept 

− Ifra 7-9 Oct 

− Fespa 25-29 june 

• EDU? Ryerson, wuppertal? 

• ADOBE CAN HOST: germany, paris, london, 

dublin, edinburough, basel, amsterdam, 

bucherest, 

• Roularta CAN HOST - Paris 

• Sanoma can host in BE fall ‘13

Thank You!

Meeting minutes 

Specification 

subcommittee 

Meeting minutes of July 12 th 2012 

info@gwg.org 

www.gwg.org 

Authors Elli Cloots and Peter Kleinheider 

Co-chairs 

Date August 3 rd, 2012 

Status Draft 1

Document Title 


1 Minutes .......................................................................................................... 3 

1.1 Approval of last meeting minutes .................................................................... 3 

1.2 Topic 1 ............................................................ Error! Bookmark not defined. 

1.3 Topic 2 ........................................................................................................ 4 

2 Action items ................................................................................................... 5


1 Minutes 

1.1 Agenda 

• Approval of meeting minutes 

• Final approval of GWG2012 

• Status of implementations 

• What to release to the public? 

• What to do next? 

o Packaging specifications 

o RGB variant 

o Other? 

1.2 Approval of last meeting minutes 

The meeting minutes of April 19th were approved by the group. 

1.3 Final approval of GWG2012 

1.3.1 Current status 

After the last meeting, the Golden Master of the GWG2012 specification was sent out to 

the group for approval. Everybody that voted, said “yes” but no official outcome of the 

votes was sent out yet. Afterwards, more comments came in when vendors started to 

implement the specification and found more inconsistencies. 

Therefore the following topics were brought to the group: 

1. Inconsistency in wording: 

4.11 Black Text – smaller than 

4.12 Black Text- smaller than 

4.13 Thin Black Line – less than 

4.14 Thin Black Line – less than or equal to 

Proposal is to change to 'less than’ 

2. Inconsistency for Spotcolor selection 

4.20 Spot color naming applies to Separation & Device N 

4.21 Ambiguous spot color applies to Separation only 

Proposal is to also include Device N 

3. Comparing of equal numeric values (3.15) 

Text, Image and Path elements are mentioned, but not page geometry 

Proposal is to check Page Geometry with the same values as path elements, 3 

digits 

Note: this could influence PDF/X-4 requirements like nesting of page boxes 

4. What size should a thin white line be checked for 

Current: … (B) … elements colored with more than 1 colorant as specified in the 

table of a specific Variant 

Proposal: … (B) … elements colored with 0 colorants (white object) or more than 1 

colorant as specified in the table of a specific Variant. 

5. Rounding for comparing color values. 

Background: a color value of 0.0019 (less 1/512) is treated as 0% by Acrobat. 

This has an effect when checking white overprint. 

1.3.2 Discussion 

The discussion should not be re-opened as the spec was massively approved. (Leonard)


The fact that white lines are no longer covered by the specification is a problem. They 

were covered in the previous specification, by changing and formalizing the definitions, 

they got excluded accidently. (Elli) 

Diane will send a document that we could use to communicate about editorial changes 

No implementation shipping yet, Adobe going in test with VIGC soon. 

1.3.3 Conclusion 

The problem will be discussed further, outside of the meeting, between Didier, Peter, 

Leonard and Elli. The goal is to come with a solution that works for the end user and the 

vendors who are finalizing implementation. 

1.4 Status of implementation 

1.4.1 Implementation 

Implementation in Acrobat, pdfToolbox and PitStop are expected soon. 

1.4.2 Beta profiles 

Should follow shortly after the finalization of the implementation stage. 

1.4.3 Status of PDF Export Settings 

Bart gave an overview of the tests Sanoma did 

Conclusions: 

Do downsampling. 

Downsample to 350 and downsample starting from 700. 

For Newspapers use the values: to 250 from 500 dpi. 

Create separate CS6 export settings and allow JPEG2000. 

Remark: there are printers that still have rips that don’t support JPEG2000 yet. But this 

would be a rip that doesn’t support PDF/X-4 so it’s irrelevant for this discussion. 

It was agreed by the group to use these values. Peter Kleinheider will create new 

settings. 

1.5 What to release to the public? 

• Give the final specification to David Zwang to be published to the website. 

• The rest of the discussion will happen in the marketing committee. 

1.6 What to do next? 

Skipped this topic as we ran out of time.


2 Action items 


Finalize the discussion about the finalization of GM Leonard, Didier, 

July 13th 

GWG2012 

Peter Kleinheider 

and Elli 

Provide new export settings and test how CS6 

setting behave in previous versions 

Peter Kleinheider August 

Give the final specification to David Zwang to David Zwang, Peter Next 

be published to the website 

Kleinheider, Elli 

Cloots 

meeting

Specification SC 

Peter Kleinheider & Elli Cloots 

Co-chairs specification subcommittee

Agenda 

• Approval of meeting minutes 

• Final approval of GWG2012 

• Status of implementations 

• What to release to the public? 

• What to do next? 

− Packaging specifications 

− RGB variant 

− Other?

Approve minutes 

• Meeting of April 19 th 

− See email from Peter Kleinheider 

− Also available on the FTP server 

• Please approve

Final approval of GWG2012 

• Proposed changes since GM1 

− Inconsistency in wording: 

• 4.11 Black Text – smaller than 

• 4.12 Black Text- smaller than 

• 4.13 Thin Black Line – less than 

• 4.14 Thin Black Line – less than or equal to 

Proposal is to change to 'less than’ 

− Inconsistency for Spotcolor selection 

• 4.20 Spot color naming applies to Separation & Device N 

• 4.21 Ambiguous spot color applies to Separation only 

- Proposal is to also include Device N



− 3.15 Comparing of equal numeric values 

• Text, Image and Path elements are mentioned, but not page 

geometry 

• Proposal is to check Page Geometry with the same values as 

path elements, 3 digits 

• Note: this could influence PDF/X-4 requirements like nesting 

of page boxes 

− What size should a thin white line be checked for 

• Current: … (B) … elements colored with more than 1 colorant 

as specified in the table of a specific Variant 

• Proposal: … (B) … elements colored with 0 colorants (white 

object) or more than 1 colorant as specified in the table of a 

specific Variant.



− Rounding for comparing color values. 

• Background: a color value of 0.0019 (less 1/512) is treated as 0% by 

Acrobat. This has an effect when checking white overprint.

Status of implementation 

• Implementation update of 

− Acrobat 

− PitStop 

− Toolbox 

• Status Beta profiles 

• Status PDF Export Settings

What to release to the 

public? 

• Documentation 

• Whitepaper 

• Marketing waiting on text (Peter) 

• Who can help with writing?

What to do next? 

• Packaging specifications 

− Table created by Peter Kleinheider 

− Under review by Christian Blaise 

• RGB variant 

− Altona2 – rendering discussion 

− Many question marks with RGB rendering 

− Why do you want RGB variants? 

− What do you want to solve? 

• More?

Thank You!


Compliance testing 

subcommittee 


info@gwg.org 

www.gwg.org 

Authors Elli Cloots & Didier Haazen 

Vice-chair Specs & Chair Compl. Testing 

Date July 12, 2012 

Status v1.0

Compliance testing subcommittee 


1 Minutes ........................................................................................................ 3 

1.1 Agenda ........................................................................................................ 3 

1.2 Approval of last meeting minutes .................................................................... 3 

1.3 GWG compliancy overview ............................................................................. 3 

1.4 Status GWG 2012 compliancy tests ................................................................. 3 

1.5 VIGC Output essential panel ........................................................................... 4 

2 Action items ................................................................................................. 5


1 Minutes 

1.1 Agenda 

- GWG compliancy overview 

- Status GWG 2012 compliancy tests 


The meeting minutes of 2012-05-04 were approved by the group. 

1.3 GWG compliancy overview 

Kodak: 

• Not compliant yet. 

• We have informed them that a new version of the specification is coming up (GWG 

2012). They wanted to continue with this version (GWG v4) to have a solution on the 

short term. 

Quark: 

• QuarkXPress 9.3 or higher should be stated on the website as these now have fixed 

the issue raised by Peter Maes. 

Adobe: 

• We should update the website for InDesign CS6 and Distiller 10 as these are 

available and also support GWG v4. 

• Onevision: GWG v4 settings files have been uploaded to the GWG website (search 

for ‘v4’, and ‘Onevision’) 

1.4 Status GWG 2012 compliancy tests 

Lot’s has happened. 

- Mostly to match the updates to the golden master specification. 

o Chapter numbers match the Golden Master specification again. 

- Shortened the suffixes that indicate if test files should generate warning or errors. 

- Also included the output suite patches. 

o E.g. blending color spaces, font types, and layers. 

o But stripped them from any unnecessary information (i.e. typical Ghent 

Output Suite layout, reference images, etc.) 

- Optimized patches to match the new rounding rules (GWG2012, Ch. 3.15). 

- Minor updates based on feedback 

o LZW compressed file lost the compression and has been added again. 

o Magenta backgrounds for visualization reasons. 

o Removed redundant errors for DeviceRGB objects in ‘4.25’ files. 

o Added small images to the test files as these should/shouldn’t be checked 

depending is one metric is more than 65pixels (last line of Ch. 4.27, GWG 

2012 specs). 

- First live tests show that some fine-tuning is needed and even serious revisions of 

certain parts of the spec 

o Place (white) text outside test objects for ink coverage test files (they are 

disturbing the test objects). 

o Clarification of 4.25 (explicitly defined CS), adjusted definition 4.20 (spot 

color naming, etc.) 

Agfa raised the issue that they can only give this to development when the 

documentation is available. DH explained that: 

- the test files are pretty self-explanatory and refer to the right section in the spec


- this should already be a good base to start from 

- proper documentation is certainly a priority on the wish list as soon as the test files 

are really finalized (should happen now that we’re using the test files to validate 

reference implementations) 

1.5 VIGC Output essential panel 

- VIGC created custom panels for Adobe InDesign and Adobe Photoshop to guide 

people through all the steps of color correction and page layout correctly. E.g. import 

the live preflight settings, setup overprint preview correctly, check color 

management settings, etc. 

- It is even possible to set up correctly for print output or epub/web/tablet. 

- Advantage is that you can do everything from 1 panel and you don’t need to go 

through all the panels/menu’s separately. 

- For more info or get access to the panels, send an e-mail to eddy.hagen@vigc.org.




Change website to mention QuarkXPress 9.3 or 

higher. 

Didier Asap 

Change website to match new CS6 version numbers Didier Asap 

Didier and Quark should check what is needed to Didier & Guenther By next 

publish the compliant settings on the website (e.g. 

update documentation) once QuarkXPress is 

pronounced compliant. 

Matthias (Quark) meeting 

Didier continues fine-tuning the test files based on Didier By next 

the feedback, test with reference implementations 

meeting 

Add test files for the thin white lines (beta) and 

keep in touch with other changes / additions in 

GWG 2012 errata (see minutes specs meeting) 

Didier By July 16 

Test the test files All By next 

meeting

Compliancy Testing 

SC meeting 

GWG meeting Ghent 


Agenda

Agenda 

• GWG compliancy overview 

• Status GWG 2012 test set 

• VIGC Output Essentials panel

GWG compliancy overview

GWG compliancy overview 

• Kodak, GWG v4, (GWG 2012) 

− Will be working on completing the compliancy 

in the next few weeks 

− Likely do each (v4 and 2012) separately


• Onevision, GWG v4 

− Settings files uploaded to website


• Quark XPress 9, GWG v4 

− Fixed the bug of the wrong offset of registration 

marks 

− On the website, we might want to state 

“QuarkXPress 9.3 or higher” because of the 

issue


• Adobe InDesign CS6 (8.x) 

− Updated on GWG website* 

• Means that if you download settings files, it will now mention 

‘InDesign CS2-CS6’ instead of ‘InDesign CS2-CS5’ 

• Same for Acrobat Distiller (‘Distiller 7-10’ instead of ‘Distiller 

7-9’)

Status GWG 2012 test set

What has been going on… 

• A lot!


• Previous meeting 

− Work on Ghent Output Suite patches


• Between previous and this meeting 

− Updated Patch File Names 

− Shortened suffixes 

− Incorporated Output Suite patches 

− Optimized existing test files to GM1-rules 

− Other minor updates 

− First real tests with reference 

implementation(s)

Updated Patch File Names 

• Old (GWG2012, draft 9)


• New (GWG2012, GM1)


• Changes 

− Now also reflected in file names

Shortened suffixes 

• Old style 

− Error = error 

− Warning = warning 

− Good = ‘’

Shortened suffixes 

• New style 

− Error = E 

− Warning = W 

− Good = G

Inc. Output Suite patches 

• E.g. GWG_Testfile_x4_6.20_par4_a1_MagAds_G.pdf 

• But stripped Output Suite layout 

(no use in these files)


• E.g. GWG_Testfile_x4_5_c_MagAds_G.pdf 




• E.g. GWG_Testfile_x4_6.24_par1b_SheetSpot_G.pdf 



Optimized patches 

• Rounding values 

− Older draft (GWG 2012, draft 9)



− GWG 2012, GM1



− New rules, new files (the overview)



− New rules, new files (some examples) 

• GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.11_4.13_MagAds_a1_W_W.pdf 

• GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.11_4.13_MagAds_a2_W.pdf 

• GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.11_4.13_MagAds_b1_W_W.pdf 

• GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.11_4.13_MagAds_c_G 2.pdf 

• GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.17_4.18_MagAds_a1_W_W_W_W.pdf 

• GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.27_4.28_d_MagAds.pdf

Other minor updates 

• LZW compression patch 

• Magenta colored backgrounds 

• Redundant warnings ‘not 

recommended ICC profiles’ 

− GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.5_c_SheetSpot_W.pdf 

• DeviceRGB images outside in GWG 

4.25 files 

− GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.25_b_MagAds_E.pdf 

• Added image resolution objects 

− E.g.: GWG_Testfile_GWG2012_4.27_4.28_c1_MagAds_E.pdf

First live tests 

• Did a test with Callas 

• For Enfocus hopefully soon

First live tests 

• Still some open issues though 

− Cfr. Specs meeting 

− Ink coverage test files

To do 

• Continue finilizing files / bug out issues 

• (Re)test applications 

• Have approved applications and 

preflight profiles by (hopefully) next 

meeting in Pittsburg

To do 

• Timeline (see previous meeting) 

− Still on schedule 

• 1, 2, 3, 4: by July meeting (Ghent) to max. October meeting 

in Pittsburgh 

• 5, 6: October – Dec. 2012 to max. first GWG meeting 2013 

• Parallel timeline for creation settings (see Specifications SC 

meeting minutes)

VIGC Output Essentials panel 

• 5 minute talk: ‘how do associations 

support GWG work’ 

• Here’s something new we prepared…


• Adobe InDesign panel


• Adobe Photoshop panel


• Not available yet, but keep in touch 

with the news sites 

• Or contact us directly 

(eddy.hagen@vigc.org)

Thank You!

PDF Standards Update 

Leonard Rosenthol | PDF Architect 

© 2012 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. Adobe Con�dential.

PDF/X (ISO 15930) 

§� Met in Indonesia in April 

§� VERY small turnout 

§� Discussed issues concerning PDF transparency and the Altona Test Suite v2 

§� Made some decisions speci�c to PDF/X, but le� larger issues to ISO 32000 

§� Discussion of PDF/X futures 

§� PDF/X Futures 

§� Align with PDF 2.0 (ISO 32000-2) 

§� Choose which features we think are important and which are not 

§� Details and text to be worked out 

§� UNKNOWN: PDF/X-4:20xx or PDF/X-6 

§� Packaging needs? 

§� Still waiting on feedback from that industry L� 

© 2012 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. Adobe Con�dential. 

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PDF/VT (ISO 16612-2) 

§� Expect that as PDF/X commi�ee evaluates its plans around PDF 2.0 alignment, 

the PDF/VT commi�ee may need to meet again 

§� �ere has been some VERY early discussion about a future PDF/VT that is 

actually more “variable” (or dynamic) in nature. 


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PDF/UA (ISO 14289) 

§� PUBLISHED 

§� (just this week) 

§� US TAG is developing an “implementation guide” to help developers produce 

compliant documents 

§� Working in conjunction with the WCAG “best practices around PDF” project 

§� Joint AdHoc Commi�ee formed with 32K to work on “Improvements to 

Tagging” for future versions of PDF (2.0?) 


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PDF/E (ISO 24517) 

§� PDF/E-2 : Long-term archiving of engineering documents 

§� CD3 is currently out for ballot 

§� Based on PDF 2.0 (ISO 32000-2) 

§� Aligned (but not necessary compatible) with PDF/A-3 

§� Two conformance levels – with and w/o security/ encryption 


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PDF/A (ISO 19005) 

§� PDF/A-3 - PUBLISHED 

§� Commi�ee is currently going inactive, though members will be helping the 

PDF/E folks on their archival version. 


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PDF (ISO 32000) 

§� Currently in a second DIS 

§� LOTS of (major!) things are still being worked on 

§� Transparency 

§� Tagging & Structure 

§� Rich Text Fields 

§� JavaScript 

§� Expect at least two more DIS (or one DIS + one FDIS) 

§� Best case is end of 2013 for rati�cation 


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ICC 

§� Mobile & Web 

§� Spectral Data (ICC Labs – ICC.2) 

§� ICC DevCon 2012 

§� November 12, 2012 

§� In conjunction with CIC conference in Los Angeles, CA. 


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Questions 


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Process Control SC 

July 13th, 2012 

Ghent 

Stephan Jaeggi 

Co-Chair Process Control SC

Agenda 

• Minutes of last meeting 

• Action items of last meeting 

• VIGC PDF/X-4 tests (Didier) 

• Ghent PDF Output Suite 4.0 (Stephan) 

– Feedback from reviewers (all) 

– Changes to patches (Didier, Peter) 

– 19.3 NChannel vs. DeviceN (Leonard) 

– Documentation (Didier, Peter, Stephan) 

• Assembly PDF White Paper (Leonard) 

• Problem Report tracking database 

• New Action items 

• Agenda for next meeting

Minutes of Oslo meeting (19.4) 

• Detailed slides of the meeting (which 

serve as also as minutes) were sent to 

SC list and uploaded twice to the GWG 

FTP on 20.4. 

• Approval 

– Yes: 6 

– No: 0 

– Abstention: 7 

– Note vote: 15

Action items from last meeting 

• Finish patches (DH, PK, StJ, LDR) 

– DH, PK, StJ: Done 

– LDR: Not done 

• Start documentation (DH, PK, StJ, LDR) 

– Not yet started 

• Assemble package for reviewers (StJ) 

– Done 

• Review (Reviewers) 

– Partially done 

• Assembly PDF White Paper (LDR) 

– ???

VIGC PDF/X-4 tests (Didier) 

This created confusion in the market.

Ghent PDF Output Suite 4.0b2 

• Received all the corrections from Didier 

and Peter Kleinheider. THANKS!!! 

• DeviceN/NChannel patch from Leonard 

missing... 

• Sent out existing patches for review 

– 19 separate patches 

– 2 A4 pages with 16 amalgated patches 

(without 3 optional content patches)

Ghent PDF Output Suite 4.0b2

Acrobat 9 

Different display in A9 + AX 

Acrobat X

Feedback 

• Leonard 

– 16.2: undefined blend spaces 

(original AI export) => fixed by Didier 

old new 

Correct display in Acrobat 9 with new patch!

Ghent PDF Output Suite 4.0b3 

• 16.2: set blendspace to DeviceCMYK 

• 17.3: Added a 0.5 pt line around the X 

to avoid ghost effect 

Maybe a good idea also for other patches!

19.2 DeviceN Overprint (Peter) 

• Ghosting effect in Acrobat 

(due to anti-aliasing) 

• Possible solution: adding a 0.5 pt line 

around the X to avoid ghost effect

Harlequin V9 

• Faint X in 17.0 (JPEG 2K) 

• Minor deviations in 16.9

Other Feedback 

• Successful tests by FOGRA 

– GMG Colorproof 5 

– EFI Fiery CMS 5 

– Heidelberg Prinect Meta Dimension 10.0 

• Roularta 

– Patch 20 (Color Conversion Indicator) did not 

change after processing with Ink Optimizer 

– Reason: Ink Optimizer first flattends 

transparency before applying color management.

19.3 NChannel vs. DeviceN (LDR) 

• New patch showing different behaviour of 

NChannel regarding alternate colors as 

DeviceN in case one of the colors is not 

available 

– DeviceN: All alternate colors are used 

– NChannel: only the alternate color of the 

missing color is used 

On 11.07.12 14:15, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: 

> Still nonexistent. 

dDecision to not include 19.3 in Output Suite 4.0

Next steps 

• Upload Beta 4 (jaeggi.info and GWG-FTP) 

• Remind reviewers to send feedback. 

• Ask vendor members to run the patches and 

report at the next meeting. 

• Create documentation for each patch 

(template is on the FTP server). 

• Prepare a press release. 

• Publish on www.gwg.org

Assembly PDF White Paper (LDR) 

• Many publishers are in process to go PDF/X-4 

during upcoming years. 

• Some will stay with PDF/X-1a for a while. 

• The assembly process of ads with different 

flavours and different output intents (and 

editorial stuff) might cause problems, or at 

least challenges. 

• Different applications do play a role here: 

InDesign, Adobe Library, Quark(?) 

• Which issues should publishers / printers be 

aware of, when managing the assembly of 

multiple PDFs in one page? 

• This should be the goal of this white paper. 

Promised for next meeting!

Problem report tracking 

• 2 new problems (Søren + Stephan) 

• 17 open problems; 3 problems solved

.notdef Bug 

• Again a support case this week 

Dov reported that the promised is fixed in InDesign 8.0

New (and open) actions items 

• Ghent PDF Output Suite 4.0 

– Fix patch 19.2 (Peter) 

– Upload Beta 4 on jaeggi.info and GWG-FTP 

(Stephan) 

– Remind reviewers to send feedback (Stephan) 

– Ask vendor members to run the patches and 

report at the next meeting (Stephan) 

– Create documentation for each patch 

(template is on the FTP server) (Didier, Peter, 

Stephan). 

– Prepare a press release (Stephan) 

• Assembly PDF White Paper (Leonard)

Agenda for next meeting 

• Action items from last meeting 

• Ghent PDF Output Suite 4.0 

• Assembly PDF White Paper (LDR) 

• Problem Report tracking database 

• New (and open) Action items 

• Agenda for next meeting

Marketing Subcommittee Meeting 

Marketing 

Subcommittee 

Meeting Minutes 

info@gwg.org 

www.gwg.org 

Authors Hanne Josefsen 

Marketing Officer 

Isabelle De Milde 

Admin Assistant 

Date 13-Jul-12 

Status Final



1 Minutes .......................................................................................................... 3 

1.1 Member Profiles ............................................................................................ 3 

1.2 Website ....................................................................................................... 3 

1.3 Press Releases .............................................................................................. 3 

1.4 Seminar at Graph Expo .................................................................................. 3 

1.3 Downloads ................................................................................................... 3 

2 Action items ................................................................................................... 4


1 Minutes 

1.1 Member profiles 

There is a request from some members to not use specific persons but the companies 

themselves for the member profiles on our website. 

- no issue to quote the company or name the representatives of the company 

1.2 Website 

Reactions to the proposal to update the website: 

- There is a request to update with RSS feeders to update members when there is 

something new 

- Provide an easy link to download on the homepage 

- Create a homepage with a clear overview and not too much text 

- Leonard raises a question about maintenance: security patches/template updates. 

There is a suggestion to keep Alex on retainer to help when needed 

- Dave Z raises the issue we have to ensure we have a continuity of the specification 

download system; that need to be discussed with Alex 

- Responsibility for the content: marketing team 

- Isabelle to send an overview of GWG presence on members website to Hanne 

1.3 Press Releases 

- Upon creation of press releases, send these first to the marketing team then to the 

group 

- Press release for the PDF/X survey (Peter K) 

- Press release for the CM survey (Bart) 

1.4 Seminar at Graph Expo 

- Members to let Isabelle know who needs Graph Expo passes 

- There is cross promotion with Graph Expo for the GWG seminar (included in their 

overview and a link to our website) 

- Create a white paper for the new specifications (who?) 

- Record the presentations during the seminar and put the videos online 

1.5 Downloads 

We do track the number of visits/downloads on our website. It would be a good idea to 

present this at the next meeting.




Send an overview of GWG presence on members 

website to Hanne 

Isabelle 

Ask Isabelle for Graph Expo passes Isabelle 

Discuss website issues with Alex Hanne

Marketing Subcomittee 

Hanne Josefsen 


Agenda 

• Different goals 

• How to reach the market 

− website 

− memberprofiles 

− seminars

Different goals 

• To get the market to use the new 

specifications 

− Different levels, designers, printers and vendors 

• Why and how 

– Why should the market use GWG-settings? 

– Why should the market trust GWG as the standard for PDF 

– How to use the settings, and how to implement it in the workflow 

• To get new members 

• What are the benefits to becoming a member of GWG? 

• Why should the member pay the fee and use free time to work 

in GWG - what is in it for them? 

• What does GWG want from new members? 

(active participant)

Member profiles 

• Each member shall have their own 

profile on the GWG website 

• Template is made to fill out easily, and 

we will take pictures of everybody.

Website 

• Update existing GWG website to a userfriendly 

Wordpress format 

• Easy to update 

− we will make a timetable for updating the 

website 

• Easy to integrate with social networks as 

facebook, linkedin and twitter 

• Easily handle future article updates as new 

news/events happen 

• Put video of seminars online

Member Marketing 

• Each member takes responsibility to 

talk about the GWG 

− in social media 

− in local seminars 

− update local associations 

− link to the website from their own websites

Press releases 

• One per quarter minimum 

• After each meeting 

• Before every seminar

Why PDF/X-4 + GWG 

• Text for the market is made by Peter 

Kleinheider to use in press release and 

on the web

Seminars 

• GraphExpo 

− no charge for the room 

− link to GWG page with info 

− add seminar to GraphExpo schedule (1/2 day) 

− events schedule will be checked to avoid 

conflict 

− GWG members get a free expo pass to 

GRAPH EXPO

Timetable website 

• 2 1/2 months (including testing & 

training time) starting July 2012 

(site development and launch by 

10-sep-12)

Thank You!

GWG Cross Media SC Minutes - 13 July 2012 

Cross Media 

subcommittee 

Meeting Minutes Ghent July 13th, 2012 

info@gwg.org 

Authors Elli Cloots 

Bart van Looy 

Erwin Danis 

Date 16 July 2012 

Status Final 

www.gwg.org

Ghent PDF Workgroup Cross Media SC 


1 Minutes .......................................................................................................... 3 

1.1 Approval meeting minutes .............................................................................. 3 

1.2 Co-Chairs ..................................................................................................... 3 

1.3 Action items status ........................................................................................ 3 

1.4 PDF export for mobile devices (BVL) ................................................................ 3 

1.5 PDF standards survey – presentation of the survey results (PK*) ......................... 5 

1.6 Ad Exchange in Digital Publications exchange (LR) ............................................. 5 

1.7 Standard Digital Photography – Presentation by Medibel+ .................................. 6 

1.8 General remarks/sugestions ........................................................................... 7 

2 Action items ................................................................................................... 8


1 Minutes 

1.1 Approval meeting minutes 

The meeting minutes (April meeting) were approved. 

1.2 Co-Chairs 

Andy P. resigned so there is no longer a third co-chair. Having only 2 co-chairs is ok for 

the group and for Bart and Erwin. 

Tom B is considering to be a candidate. 

1.3 Action items status 

• Press release � not done yet 

• Distribute draft PDF export settings for mobile devices � done 

• Test first PDF export settings for mobile devices � no feedback 

• Presentation about raster images using XMP for “hot zones” � out of scope � 

closed 

• Proposal on aggregating files � still to do 

1.4 PDF export for mobile devices (BVL) 

Scope, goal, scenarios: 

How does a PDF file need to look in order to be able to be used successfully in a nonprint 

destination, more specifically on a tablet? 

2 starting points: 

- Repurposing PDF files that have been created for high quality print or another 

purpose and will be reused in a tablet environment (usually starting as a PDF/X1a 

file) 

- Generate content as PDF for use in cross-media workflows 

Goal: 

The goal is to end up with a PDF file that meets the following requirements; smallest file 

size possible, fast buildup speed, correct viewing (content wise without artifacts − 

color!), keep text as text (text recognition) 

Scenarios: 

- PDF creation (export from creative applications). 

- PDF optimization (optimization of current PDF's mostly intended for PRINT 

purposes). 

- Interactive PDF (currently out of scope due to a lack of support of these features 

in Readers on mobile devices). 

1.4.1 Quality tests 

No feedback from the group.


Tests done by Roularta – presented by PM 

Conclusions: 

• iPad 3 gives a way better quality for the smaller tests files. 

• 300 dpi even gave moiré effect on iPad 3. 

• Going to a higher resolution doubles the file size. 

So it’s best to stay on 150 dpi above 200 dpi 

We should also do tests to see what happens if you create the files with these settings,, 

the Roularta tests were all focused on downsampling starting from a high-res print-ready 

pdf. 

Who volonteers to test more? 

• Peter Kleinheider can help with with technical data but the files should come from 

the publishers. 

• Bart Van Looy, Peter Maes 

• Provide Diane with a description on what needs to vbe tested and she’ll try to get 

more volonteers. 

• Tom Beckenham is willing to help test or get people to do them. 

Remarks: 

• Can we put the results of the tests on the website? Yes (action item Bart/Peter). 

• Tom sais that nobody puts PDFs on the tablet. Bart doesn’t agree, this might be 

an intermediate thing, but still it is happening today. Leonard points out that we 

should stick to our first goal which is to view PDF through a native PDF viewer on 

a tablet. Possible PDF-into-app conversions were set at a lower priority. 

• What are the difference between the GWG2012 export settings and the ones for 

this purpose? 

o Downsampling value 

o Bleed 

o We keep the RGB version 

• We’ll also discuss to change some settings to avoid the dull CMYK colors 

1.4.2 Color conversion or not 

What is the problem? 

- A PDF that is completely RGB is fine for tablet viewing as the device is RGB. 

- Once you have a CMYK object with transparency on the page, the RGB image is 

first converted to CMYK as it needs to go to the page blanding color space for 

rendering the transparency (and this blending color space is by default 

DeviceCMYK) . As the device is RGB, you’ll have a second conversion to RGB also 

again for the RGB imgae. 

- But the result is that the RGB objects will become less vivit like it would be with 

CMYK images (because of the double conversion). 

- Also there is no consistency between the different applications that can view PDFs 

as all of them need to do the conversions for viewing (and the file is not stored 

like that). 

Test results: 

• See also the presentation by Peter Kleiheider - Bart Van Looy for detailed test 

results


• Test 2: the blendspace is device RGB and the objects are all RGB so no 

conversions needed. Result is that there are very little differences anymore so it is 

a lot more consisten. Viewing is faster as no coversions are needed anymore. 

• CMYK slide: the renderer is doing the transparency rendering but in 2 applications 

this is just ignored. 

The advice is that we should do conversion to RGB and change the blendcolor space to 

RGB. This is not without concequences as some transparency effects have weird results, 

but it seems the best option for now. 

Action item should be to do tests to detect the transparency effects that cause a 

problem. 

All tests that happened on apple devices. 

Question: could we flatten before to avoid problems? 

No as this gives other problems: 

- file size goes up 

- stiching problems (quality issues) 

- would still be a problem of flat colors or split objects, etc. 

Note: 

Currently you can only have a pdf that is good for tablet or one that is good for print but 

it is not possible to have both in 1 file. We should start investigating into how we would 

be able to do this if we ever want this to be possible. 

1.5 PDF standards survey – presentation of the survey 

results (PK*) 

Survey of CMBO / DalTC, NUV, Printarena.nl in the Netherlands and Febelgra, Medibel + 

and VIGC in Belgium "for graphic companies about using PDF and PDF-based standards 

See presentation, including conclusion. 

See presentation for all the feedback 

- Missing standards: mainly digital print and X-media 

- 15-30 % doesn’t preflight 

We would like to get the survey so that we can also send it out exactly the same in 

English? Marketing can advertise this survey and then we consolidate all the results. 

Menno will do a translation 

Peter Claes offers to help to proof why you need PDF/X-4 as he has an automated 

process to count the number of errors. Peter is willing to describe why this is important 

and how to use it. 

1.6 Ad Exchange in Digital Publications exchange (LR) 

4 different Ad Types: 

- (SFP) Straight from Print > replicated straight from print submission 

- (SFP+) Straight from Print Plus >replicated straight from print submission 

allowing URLs 

- (DFT) Designed for Tablets >purpose built for tablet, matching print ad and 

allowing URLs & Media


- (EFT) Enhanced for Tablets >purpose built for tablet ad with enhancements 

Idealiance: does not agree with the definitions – Diane will work with Leonard and Bart to 

finetune the definitions. 

Feedback: 

• Leonard wants to ty the formats to the different types of ads to know how to go 

forward. 

• Bart: there is a problem to exchange the ads, especially those with interactive 

content. And we need to think about how we can solve the future. Everyone is 

using different kind or combinations of tools to create aggregate, validate, view 

advertisements. Because there are no rules and standards this causes issues and 

misunderstanding from time to time. 

• The goal should be to go directly to a tablet optimized version. Expectation is that 

the ads will be send into HTML. 

• Today the digital part is very much at the publishers side and not at all at the ad 

agency side. The published doesn’t as the agency as they don’t have the tools to 

create and view it. 

• ePub (3) can not be used as this is for a complete publication as this is a much 

more complete format that overshoots the purpose of trasfering an ad. (Even 

though they are conseptionally very similar). 

Conclusions: 

• We all agree that we need an open standard to allow this. 

• We need a solution that is PDF bases (Leonard: not only as an intermediate think) 

• We need the HTML5 based part 

• We skip the image/rasterized format. 

• Focus on PDF/X-4 for digital ads. Everybody agrees to start working on this and 

try to get it as the industry standard. The Spectrum conference wants to focus on 

this (Leonard, Diane- BArt will discuss). 

• We’ll start working on “AOM-“. (Open Ajax Metadata) AOM has no restrictions 

(which is a pro and con) on what you can put into it. E.g. it can load images from 

the internet, do streaming, ett. It is HTML5 based, with support for XML so we can 

continue to use the job ticket as we have it today, and much more. 

• .Folio is not something that Adobe is willing to push forward as the new standard 

for digital publishing. It is and will remain the internal Adobe format for DPS. 

• Adobe is starting to talk with other vendors to ensure that this way of thinking will 

be implemented by other vendors in the future 

1.7 Standard Digital Photography – Presentation by 

Medibel+ 

Proposed changes: 

See presentation for overview of proposed changes 

Question: 

Why do we still use metadata in IPTC and not just in XMP? 

Because it is still used daily, e.g. part of newspaper systems, used by default in 

databases, etc. 

Feedback on proposal: 

Send feedback to: peter.maes@roularta.be & bart.vanlooy@sanomamedia.be 

before august 15 th 2012


To be reviewed and approved by the group by/before the next meeting. 

1.8 General remarks/sugestions 

1.8.1 Do we need a preflight profile? 

Yes, we need to define what the issues are that we should detect. 

We’re not ready to get started on this yet but should stay on the list.



Action item Assigned to Due 

Press release survey cross media Bart Van Looy ASAP 

Send out updated PDF export settings 

for mobile devices + color changes + 

several resolutions 

Test first PDF export settings for mobile 

devices 

Proposal on aggregating files Leonard 

Rosenthal 

Provide Diane with a description on what 

needs to be tested with the PDF export 

settings. 

Get the publishers to test the PDF export 

settings 

Bart Van Looy ASAP 

All Before next meeting 

Next meeting ? (to be 

confirmed) 

Bart Van Looy End of July 

Diane 

Kennedy 

Test the PDF export settings Tom 

Beckenham 

Put the results of the tests on the 

website 

Do tests to detect the transparency 

effects that cause a problem when 

converting to RGB and changing the 

blend color space to RGB. 

Finetune the definitions SFP, SFP+, DFT, 

EFT + 

Bart Van Looy 

Peter Maes 

By next meeting 



All By next meeting 

Bart, Tom, 

Diane and 

Leonard 

Translate the PDF Standards survey Menno Mooy ASAP 

Send out the PDF Standards survey 

through as many channels as possible 

Review and approve proposed changes 

for Standard Digital Photography 

Describe on how everyone can use the 

automated process to count number of 

errors. To prove the need for PDF/X-4 

Marketing SC ASAP 


All Send feedback to 

peter.maes@roularta.be & 

bart.vanlooy@sanomamedia.be 

before august 15 th 2012 

Peter Claes Before next meeting 

Note: all action items should be listed here, have an assignee and if possible a due date. 

Used (name) abbriviations 

BVL BArt Van Looy 

LR Leonard Rosenthol 

PK Peter Kleinheider


TB Tom Beckenham 

PK* Peter Korsmit 

PM Peter Maes 

DK Dianne Kennedy

Cross Media SC 

BArt Van Looy, Sanoma Media 

Erwin Danis, Peter Maes Medibel+ 

Co-chair(s) Cross Media Subcommittee 

Ghent July 27 th, 2012

Agenda 

• Before lunch 

− Approval meeting minutes (ALL) 

− Co-chair (ALL) 

− Done since last meeting (ALL) 

− PDF export for mobile devices (BVL) 

• After lunch 

− PDF and Image usage for ad distribution"…. (LR) 

− Agenda for next meeting (ALL) 

Extra 

− Update Digital Photography v3 – Medibel + (PM) 

− Results PDF/X-4 Belgium – Netherlands (PKorsmit)

Approval meeting minutes 

• Oslo meeting 

meeting minutes 

v2 

• Yes / No ? 


1 Minutes 

1.1 Approval meeting minutes 

No meeting minutes from the last meeting. 

Meeting minutes will be created from now on for each Cross Media SC meeting. 

1.2 Done since last meeting 

� Press release about cross media survey results is in preparation, release after the 

meeting. 

� Conference calls to discuss “PDF export for mobile devices” testing and creation of 

first export settings proposal 

� Additional testing for “optimization of PDF files for tablets” 

1.3 PDF export for mobile devices (BVL, AP, DVD,...) 

1.3.1 Scope, goal, scenario's 

How does a PDF file need to look in order to be able to be used successfully in a nonprint 

destination, more specifically on a tablet? 

2 starting points: 

- Repurposing PDF files that have been created for high quality print or another 

purpose and will be reused in a tablet environment (usually starting as a PDF/X1a 

file) 

- Generate content as PDF for use in cross-media workflows 

Goal: 

The goal is to end up with a PDF file that meets the following requirements; smallest file 

size possible, fast buildup speed, correct viewing (co��color 

!), keep text as text (text recognition) 

Scenarios: 

- PDF creation (export from creative applications). 

- PDF optimization (optimization of current PDF's mostly intended for PRINT 

purposes). 

- Interactive PDF (currently out of scope due to a lack of support of these features 

in Readers on mobile devices). 

1.3.2 Tests view results on tablets 

Several tests done by Andy, Bart, David and others to get a good overview of the current 

support capabilities for PDF on several iOS and tablets. 

Test - output suite v3, v4 on different devices 

If we open the test suite patches said Bart on different devices we can conclude that only 

the basic functionality of PDF is currently supported. The following things is barely or no 

support for; 

- Overprint is not supported 

- Output intent and color-management are barely supported

Status co-chair 

• Andy P. decided will be no longer one of the cochair 

of the Cross Media SC 

• Co-Chair(s), Any volunteer(s) ? 

− And no I don’t eat my Co-Chairs ;-)

Action items status 

Action item Assigned 

to 

Due Status ? 

Press release BVL May 5 th Not Done 

Distribute Draft PDF export 

version for mobile devices 

Test first PDF export settings 

for mobile devices 

Presentation/proposal; 

Raster images used 

embedded XMP for "hot 

zones" 

(LR, Adobe) 

Proposal on aggregating 

files 

BVL May 3 th Done 

ALL No feedback 

LR Next July 

meeting 

LR Next July 

meeting 

Closed, not in 

scope anymore 

?

“PDF export for mobile 

devices” 

Feedback conference calls 

Extra test results 

Next steps 

(BVL/DVD/PM/PK/LR/ALL …)

PDF export settings 

• First proposal: PDF export 

settings: GWG_CrossMedia_PDFX4_vD1 

− Based on 

• PDF/X-4-2010 

• PDF 1.6 

− No color conversion 

• CMYK stays CMYK 

• RGB stays RGB 

− No interactive elements included 

• Draft sent out after April 

meeting to the cm mailing 

group 

− No reaction so far

Working items 

• During last conference call 2 action items came 

out 

− Quality / resolution ? 

− Color conversion or not ?

Quality test 

• Knack magazine 108 pages 

• Goal: Quality check 

− Is 150 DPI enough for iPad 3 (New iPad) 

− Pinching or not ?! 

• Goal: consistency 

• Viewed by using the build in web viewer of iOS 

• iPad 2, iPad 3

Findings iPad 2 /iPad 3 

• Text & vector elements > sharpness 

iPad 2 iPad 3


• Impact: 

− Sometimes to sharp 

− moirée


• Hardly impact on images: 

− 150 – 200 – 225 - 256 - 300 Dpi 

− File size 

• Impact on file size 

DPI MB 

150 14,6 

200 19,2 

225 21,6 

256 24,6 

300 29,0

Color conversion or not ? 

• Question: Color conversion or not ? 

• Goal: consistency

Test 1 

• Conditions: 

− Images: RGB 

− Vector: CMYK 

− Blend space: CMYK 

• Founding's 

− Different rendering 

− Color difference 

(butterfly)

Test 2 

• Conditions 

− Images: RGB 

− Vector: RGB 

− Blend space: RGB 

• Founding's: 

− Color difference not as 

dramatic then for CMYK 

− All transparency effects 

are still visible

Test 3 

• Color is not as vivid even it is RGB 

• Objects cannot be seen 

CMYK RGB

RGB

CMYK

RGB 

• Used Dull 

• But result is the same

CMYK

Next steps 

• Definitive version export settings 

• Do we need “preflight” profiles ? 

• ….

“PDF and Image usage for 

ad distribution….” 

PDF/X-4 based (LR, Adobe)

Ad Exchange in Digital Publications 

Leonard Rosenthol | PDF Architect • Principal Scientist 

© 2011 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. Adobe Con�dential.

Ad Types 

1. (SFP) Straight from Print 

§� replicated straight from print submission 

2. (SFP+) Straight from Print Plus 

§� replicated straight from print submission allowing URLs 

3. (DFT) Designed for Tablets 

§� purpose built for tablet, matching print ad and allowing URLs & Media 

4. (EFT) Enhanced for Tablets 

§� purpose built for tablet ad with enhancements 

© 2011 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved. Adobe Con�dential. 

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What’s the problem? 

In a “pure Adobe” work�ow, everything just works… 

§� Our tools utilize a proprietary format (.folio) to 

exchange rich information about digital publication 

authoring. 

Unfortunately, some people use tools from other companies L� 


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Standardizing Formats for Submission 

Straight from Print X X 1 


PDF/X-1a PDF/X-4 Raster (PNG/JPG) HTML5-based 

Straight from Print Plus X 2 X 1,2 X 3 

Designed for Tablets X 2 X 1,2 X 3 

Enhanced for Tablets X 

1 Hopefully the industry will move towards X-4, though not there today 

2 PDF/X doesn’t support having annotations (inside Bleed) – will need exception 

3 Raster images with embedded XMP for “hot zones” 

4

So what’s missing & what do we really need? 

§� PDF/X doesn’t support having annotations/links (inside Bleed) 

§� How to handle this? 

§� Can’t call it PDF/X if we allow this 

§� Authoring is no problem (could create the JobOptions �les), but we’d need special Pre�ight 

se�ings 

§� Could use PDF/A, but no support for direct PDF/A from creative tools 

§� PDF/X-1 vs. X-4 

§� Hopefully the industry will move towards X-4, though not there today 

§� Could we use this as a driver for X-4, as X-1a was for print ads?? 

§� Raster images with embedded XMP for “hot zones” 

§� Do we really need this? Andy wanted it, but does anyone else? 


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Open Ajax Metadata 


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OpenAjax metadata 

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Digital Photography v3 

Medibel +

1. SCREEN CALIBRATION 

Whitepoint: 6500 K in non-normalized ambient light 

Whitepoint: 5000 K in normalized ambient light 

Gamma 2.2, The calibration of the screen has to be done with a professional measuring device. 

Luminance: 100 cd/m 2 

2. GENERAL COLOUR SETTINGS FOR EVALUATION ON SCREEN 

For evaluation of the RGB image use the adjusted settings. 

MEDIBEL+ NEWS PHOTOGRAPHY 

ISOnewspaper26v4 

Standaard Digital Photography NEWS PHOTOGRAPHY v.3 march 2012 

Standaard Digital Photography NEWS PHOTOGRAPHY v.3 

june 2012 

screenshot Photoshop CS5 

3. SHOOT, OPTIMIZE AND SAVE 

Low End Camera 

Shoot in JPEG, maximum quality (eg. Fine, Best, ...). The colour space is Adobe RGB or sRGB and is automatically saved with the image. 

The picture is saved as JPEG (.jpg) with, compression 8 / baseline (minimum setting). Forward the unprocessed image with embedded profile. 

Do not convert the RGB image to CMYK. The necessary adjustments for the printing process are made by the publisher. 

Open in Photoshop: 

If the shot was done in sRGB, this colour space has to be embedded in the image. 

Do not convert profiles in image editing programmes! 

screenshot Photoshop CS5 and higher 

Attention please: This setting is only 

necessary when the image is converted 

to CMYK. We strongly advise against 

converting RGB images to CMYK. The 

CMYK color space can be used for soft proofing 

the RGB image on the screen (on a calibrated 

monitor only). For that purpose use 

the correct CMYK printing profile depending 

on the printing process and substrate (paper). 

Colour Management Policies: Preserve 

embedded profile: It is very important that 

the profile is embedded in the image. In this 

way, the image always opens in the right 

colour space. 

Conversion Options: This does not 

apply because these options are only used 

whenthe image is converted to another 

colour space.

High End Camera 

Shoot in raw: 

Images have to be shot in RAW. 

Attention please: In some cases shots in JPEG Fine with Adobe RGB colour space can be sufficient,but they can only be used in consultation with the client. 

After optimization save in JPEG maximum quality 

Optimization must be done in the raw convertor of the camera, in the raw convertor of Photoshop CS 

or in another raw convertor 


Do not convert the RGB image to CMYK. This also applies to analogue pictures scanned by the photographer. 

Always embed the colour space and/or the colour profile! 

Photoshop Settings when saving the file: 

4. NAME 

Use a descriptive name for the images, e.g. abbreviationphotographer_productionname_ddmmyy.extension 

Special characters, spaces, punctuation marks and accented characters are not allowed in the name. 

Allowed are: a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z / 0,1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 /A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z / 

‘underscore’ and the ‘dot’ before the extension. Attention please: max. 23 signs not including the ‘dot’ and the ‘extension’ (max. 28 signs) 

Some examples: jv_herftsmode_140612.jpg / mvl_geboorte_111012.jpeg / jvc_parijs_praag_211112.jpg 

5. IPTC INFORMATION 




When opened in Photoshop: 



screenshots Photoshop CS5 and higher 

We recommend Adobe RGB.

8. IMAGE RESOLUTION AND SIZE 

The optimal resolution for news photography is 300 pixels/inch 

This setting is immediately OK if the image is treated in the RAW convertor as described above. 

With a shot in JPEG-fi ne the resolution can be changed in the image size window 

as described below. 

9. EXAMPLE 



6. THE FOLLOWING IPTC FIELDS SHOULD ALWAYS BE FILLED IN! 

IPTC NUMBER/NAME PHOTOSHOP NAME XMP NAME CONTENT 

Production date, correction date and exif-data are saved automatically. 

The place of the data can be different depending on the version of Photoshop or other programmes to add IPTC data! 

7. DATA EXCHANGE 

Electronic data exchange can be done by FTP or e-mail (This has to be done in consultation with the publisher.). 

The photographer keeps the original RAW file, which can be demanded if necessary. 


When the image is saved after entering the 

resolution of 300dpi, the image immediately 

appears with realistic dimensions in the 

publisher’s lay-out. 

To recalculate the image pixels 

you have to turn OFF Resample Image. 

MAX NUMBER 

CHARACTERS 

5 Title Document Title Title Image name 64 

80 Creator Author Creator Photographer’s name 32 

120 Description Description Description 

116 

Copyright 

Notice 

Copyright Notice Copyright Notice 

25 Keywords Keywords Keywords 

110 Credit Credit Provider 


Description of the 

content of the image 

If the copyright status 

is active, owner of the 

image 

Terms or keywords 

describing the subject 

Supplier, payment 

receiver 

2000 

128 

64 

32 

REMARKS 

e.g. The ministers vote on 

a new taxation 

Strongly recommendable 

keywords: 

- place (city or country) 

- person or object 

- event 

- category

1. SCREEN CALIBRATION 

Whitepoint: 6500 K in non-normalized ambient light 

Whitepoint: 5000 K in normalized ambient light 

Gamma 2.2, The calibration of the screen has to be done with a professional measuring device. 

Luminance: 100 cd/m 2 

2. GENERAL COLOUR SETTINGS FOR EVALUATION ON SCREEN 

For evaluation of the RGB image use the adjusted settings. 

MEDIBEL+SHOOTINGS 

ISOcoated_V2_300_eci 

3. SHOOT, OPTIMIZE AND SAVE 

Shoot in raw: 

Images have to be shot in RAW. 

Attention please: In some cases shots in JPEG Fine with Adobe RGB colour space can be sufficient, 

but they can only be used in consultation with the client. 

Standard Digital Photography SHOOTINGS v.3 march 2012 

Standard Digital Photography SHOOTINGS v.3 


screenshot Photoshop CS5 

After optimization save in JPEG maximum quality 

Optimization must be done in the raw convertor of the camera, in the raw convertor of Photoshop CS or in another raw convertor 

When opened in Photoshop: 




Attention please: This setting is only 

necessary when the image is converted 

to CMYK. We strongly advise against 

converting RGB images to CMYK. The 

CMYK color space can be used for soft proofing 

the RGB image on the screen (on a calibrated 

monitor only). For that purpose use 

the correct CMYK printing profile depending 

on the printing process and substrate (paper). 

Colour Management Policies: Preserve 

embedded profile: It is very important that 

the profile is embedded in the image. In this 

way, the image always opens in the right 

colour space. 

Conversion Options: This does not 

apply because these options are only used 

whenthe image is converted to another 

colour space.

Do not convert the RGB image to CMYK. This also applies to analogue pictures scanned by the photographer. 

Always embed the colour space and/or the colour profile! 

Photoshop Settings when saving the file: 

4. NAME 

Use a descriptive name for the images, e.g. abbreviationphotographer_productionname_ddmmyy.extension 

Special characters, spaces, punctuation marks and accented characters are not allowed in the name. 

Allowed are: a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z / 0,1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 /A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z / 

‘underscore’ and the ‘dot’ before the extension. Attention please: max. 23 signs not including the ‘dot’ and the ‘extension’ (max. 28 signs) 

Some examples: jv_herftsmode_140605.jpg / mvl_geboorte_111011.jpeg / jvc_parijs_praag_111011.jpg 

5. IPTC INFORMATION 




screenshots Photoshop CS5 and higher 

We recommend Adobe RGB.

6. THE FOLLOWING IPTC FIELDS SHOULD ALWAYS BE FILLED IN! 

IPTC NUMBER/NAME PHOTOSHOP NAME XMP NAME CONTENT 

Production date, correction date and exif-data are saved automatically. 

The place of the data can be different depending on the version of Photoshop or other programmes to add IPTC data! 

7. DATA EXCHANGE 

Electronic data exchange can be done by FTP or e-mail (This has to be done in consultation with the publisher.). 

The photographer keeps the original RAW fi le, which can be demanded if necessary. 

8. IMAGE RESOLUTION AND SIZE 

The optimal resolution for shootings is 300 pixels/inch 

This setting is immediately OK if the image is treated in the RAW convertor as described above. 

With a shot in JPEG-fi ne the resolution can be changed in the image size window 

as described below. 

9. EXAMPLE 


When the image is saved after entering the 

resolution of 300dpi, the image immediately 

appears with realistic dimensions in the 

publisher’s lay-out. 

To recalculate the image pixels 

you have to turn OFF Resample Image. 

MAX NUMBER 

CHARACTERS 

5 Title Document Title Title Image name 64 

80 Creator Author Creator Photographer’s name 32 

120 Description Description Description 

116 

Copyright 

Notice 

Copyright Notice Copyright Notice 

25 Keywords Keywords Keywords 

110 Credit Credit Provider 




Description of the 

content of the image 

If the copyright status 

is active, owner of the 

image 

Terms or keywords 

describing the subject 

Supplier, payment 

receiver 

2000 

128 

64 

32 

REMARKS 

e.g. The ministers vote on 

a new taxation 

Strongly recommendable 

keywords: 

- place (city or country) 

- person or object 

- event 

- category

Feedback Survey results 

about the use of PDF 

standards 

Survey of CMBO / DalTC, NUV, Printarena.nl in the 

Netherlands and Febelgra, Medibel + and VIGC in 

Belgium "for graphic companies about using PDF 

and PDF-based standards

Survey goals 

• PDF/X-4 survey to gain insight into 

possible use. 

• Are manufacturing and supplying 

parties ready for use? 

• Demands of the market for other 

specifications (RGB, transparency, 

language versions)

Survey goals II 

• For delivery and processing 

• Measure success of print-ready PDF 

• Review of quality communication with 

industry organizations

Overall impression 

• High response rate> 360 

− Many printers / printing companies 

• Q13 85% believe to have everything to 

create PDF/X-4? 

• Q33 70% Thinks they can handle 

PDF X/4?

Q1 Company Type NL & BE 

• Many (digital) printers 

• Delivery and processing

Q2 Printing Type NL/ BE 

• Deliveries and processing 

mostly for Sheetfed / 

Digital Printing

Q5 PDF usage B/NL 

• In Belgium, more native 

and image files (large 

size / PhotoShop)

Q8 GWG acceptance B/NL 

• NL somewhat higher 

GWG implementation

Q11 meet the standards NL/BE 

• For 14-18% the 

standards do not match

Q12 missing standards B/NL? 

• Digital printing and 

packaging standards, 

less known 

• PDF for X-media desired

Q13 Creating PDF/X-4? B/NL 

• 82% thinks they can 

create PDF/X-4

60,0% 

50,0% 

40,0% 

30,0% 

20,0% 

10,0% 

0,0% 

Q15 PDF incoming preflight B/NL 

Indien u PDF's ontvangt, maakt u gebruik van speciale software 

voor ingangscontrole? (meerdere antwoorden mogelijk) 

Wij ontvangen geen 

PDF's 

Gewoon controle 

met behulp van 

mijn teken of 

Ja, Callas 

pdfToolbox 

Ja, Markzware 

Flightcheck 

Anders, nl.: 

• 15 – 30% no preflight 

• Important for efficient 

"transparent production = 

cost-effective for all 

parties 

70,0% 

60,0% 

50,0% 

40,0% 

30,0% 

20,0% 

10,0% 

0,0% 

Indien u PDF's ontvangt, maakt u gebruik van speciale software 

voor ingangscontrole? (meerdere antwoorden mogelijk) 

Wij ontvangen geen 

PDF's 

Gewoon controle met 

behulp van mijn teken 

of 

Ja, Callas pdfToolbox 

Ja, Markzware 

Flightcheck 

Anders, nl.:

Q20 Freq. Problems NL/BE 

• Font errors!?! 

= no checks 

• Transparancy / Overprint 

• Color (Lab/RGB Spot) 

• Low Resolution 

• Layers (Language versions) 

• TAC

Q23 permit PDF/X-4 NL/BE 

• 80% Transparancy 

• 60–80% RGB icc 

• 40% RGB no icc

Q24 problems in PDF NL/BE 

• 66% experience 

(sometimes) PDF/X-1a 

problems and color 

problems

Q32 PostScript / PDF NL/BE 

• PostScript or PDF RIP 

• PostScript and PDF RIP 

• PS = no PDF/X-4 

= other workflow

Q33 PDF/X-4 RIP/Workflow NL/BE 

• Less than + / - 35% 

response?! 

• Tested?

Agenda for next meeting 

• Approval meeting minutes 

• PDF export for mobile devices 

• Other topics suggestion(s)???

Current standaards 

Supplying parties 

• For more than 80% PDF/X-1a good 

• 20% no preflight on files 

• + / - 15% of files are not good (output 

feedback) 

• 60% usage of FC Colorproofs 

• 50-60% ISO compliant Colorproofs

Current standaards 

Manufacturing parties 

• 25% experience with RIP problems 

• 28 – 46% font problems 

(not checked!!!!) 

• 40% RGB delivery m./z. Icc profiles? 

• 30% PMS at Full Colour 

• 30% transparancy

View on PDF/X-4 

• PDF/X-4 Supplying parties 

• Seems convinced about PDF/X-4 

• PDF/X-4 Receiving parties 

• Seems convinced about PDF/X-4 

• 50% will allow transparancy 

• 50% do not know if they can process PDF/X-4 

• RGB in NL more desirable 

• Layers in B more desirable

Conclusion 

• Good response 

• 40% seems happy with current PDF/X-1a 

− Will remain in use for long time 

• PDF/X-4 CMYK and ICC versions 

− Market request for new specifications 

( Transparancy, RGB, Layers) 

− Market request for new specifications 

( Large Format, Mobile Publications) 

− Lot off work to do: 

Education and support via Associations and GWG 

Information about RGB (icc) , transparancy, layers

In between the meeting 

• Conference call in between the meetings 

− Send out doodle(s) with dates 

• Separate working group(s) on the defined topics 

− Hand on testing 

− Need more calls in between to move forward

Thank You!

GWG Job Ticketing Minutes - 14 July 2012 

GWG Job Ticketing 

subcommittee 

Meeting minutes of July 14 2012 

Authors Matthias Guenther & Tom Beckenham 

info@gwg.org 

www.gwg.org 

Date Sunday, 15 July 2012 

Status Final



Minutes ............................................................................................................... 3 

Approval of last meeting minutes ............................................................................ 3 

Co Chair .............................................................................................................. 3 

ADAM Ad Ticket & PSV .......................................................................................... 3 

JSON Ad Ticket .................................................................................................... 3 

Action items ........................................................................................................ 4


1 Minutes 


The meeting minutes of Ad Ticketing of the Oslo meeting were approved by the group. 

1.2 Co Chair 

1.2.1 Description of the topic 

As Stéphane has resigned as co-chair. Tom nominated Diane. 

Nobody else was interested in co-chairing. 

1.2.2 Conclusion 

Diane accepted the nomination and was elected by unisonous vote. 

1.3 ADAM Ad Ticket & PSV 

Diane gave an overview of what used to be called NextPub, now PSV (Prism Source 

Vocabulary) and the ADAM Ad Ticket. See Diane’s slide deck for details. 

Dave pointed out that publishers he visited are looking to support PSV. 

Diane asked Leonard to talk to IAB to see whether they will start supporting it too, which 

Leonard agreed to do and will head creating a presentation about PSV. 

Diane will distribute a document about Best Practices about Positioning an Ad on a 

Tablet. 

1.4 JSON Ad Ticket 

Tom presented a JSON method to create an ad ticket and showed a demo of a JSON ad 

ticket instance. 

The JSON specs are still work-in-progress. For details please see the draft of the JSON 

specs. As there were still some questions, Diane and Tom will distribute the draft with 

requests for comments. 

Also Tom will set up a regular monthly call for the subgroup.


2Action items 


Talk to IAB about PSV Leonard Next meeting 

Send URL of JSON specs draft to GWG members Tom asap 

Set up regular monthly calls for this subgroup Tom asap 

Note: all action items should be listed here, have an assignee and if possible a due date.

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