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No.45 AUGUST 10, 2017<br />

(Continued from the previous issue)<br />

“This is an objective situation that cannot<br />

be ascribed to the evil will of some specific<br />

people. It is a reflection of the general<br />

state of Ukrainian society, because it is<br />

still very divided. Indeed, the Ukrainian political<br />

nation is only being formed.<br />

“The second problem, which is subjective,<br />

is that even within these communities,<br />

there are many different organizations<br />

that compete with each other. Obviously,<br />

Babi Yar is an iconic site and one who will<br />

control the memorial side there will reap additional<br />

political dividends. This situation<br />

has existed since independence.”<br />

● “NIHILISTIC ATTITUDE<br />

TO BURIAL PLACES IS<br />

A SOVIET LEGACY,<br />

AND NOTHING MORE”<br />

What conclusions do we need to draw<br />

from all this?<br />

“As a result, we see a lot of monuments<br />

in the landscape, which are totally<br />

unconnected and not correlated with each<br />

other, even in the artistic sense. Overall,<br />

we have a completely neglected site, which<br />

is partly a recreation park, and partly just<br />

a forest park, and at the same time a site<br />

housing dozens of monuments that are incomprehensible<br />

to most passers-by. There<br />

is still no museum, because it requires a<br />

large investment on the one hand, and<br />

on the other, every attempt to build a museum<br />

involves locating it right on the massacre<br />

site or on the cemetery, that is, closer<br />

to the epicenter of the tragedy. This logic<br />

is clear, but it is completely barbaric.<br />

People totally fail to take into consideration<br />

that there should be some kind of respect<br />

for the burial places. This, again, is<br />

absolutely a Soviet legacy, because the Soviet<br />

government destroyed Babi Yar and<br />

the surrounding cemeteries. This nihilistic<br />

attitude to burial places is a Soviet<br />

legacy, and nothing more.<br />

“So, we see that however many new<br />

monuments they would erect, it will still be<br />

obvious that this is not a memorial territory.<br />

And they all see it, but they think: the<br />

solution is that one has to erect other, better<br />

monuments or build a large memorial<br />

center. In fact, first of all, it is necessary<br />

to organize the territory, since the construction<br />

of a grand memorial would not<br />

change anything, because it will still be a<br />

memorial on a garbage heap.”<br />

Fuks argues that the project of the<br />

memorial center has received support<br />

from all Jewish organizations. What do<br />

you say to this?<br />

“This is an obvious manipulation.<br />

Fuks sees ‘all Jewish organizations’ as synonymous<br />

with the All-Ukrainian Jewish<br />

Congress, headed by Vadym Rabynovych.<br />

However, first of all, the fact is that it is<br />

not Rabynovych who supports Fuks’s<br />

project, but rather Fuks who has now become<br />

one of the leading figures in the<br />

project started by Rabynovych as early as<br />

a decade ago. Of course, the latter supports<br />

him. Secondly, while Rabynovych supports<br />

project, say, co-chairman of the Association<br />

of Jewish Organizations and<br />

Communities of Ukraine Yosyp Zisels opposes<br />

it. Furthermore, there are about a<br />

dozen all-Ukrainian and three to four<br />

dozen Kyiv-only Jewish organizations,<br />

which have not declared their position on<br />

this issue at all. Thirdly, in such matters<br />

it is impossible to take into account only the<br />

positions of the NGO leaders. This is a national<br />

matter, and it is obvious that the<br />

views of well-known journalists and artists,<br />

human rights activists and scholars are no<br />

less important than the opinions of people<br />

whose main virtue lies in the ability to deftly<br />

distribute foreign grants.”<br />

Probably, a lot depends on the city government<br />

as well. But how should we then<br />

take Fuks and Siwiec’s claim that the initiator<br />

of the Babi Yar Holocaust Memorial<br />

was Mayor of Kyiv Vitalii Klitschko?<br />

“This is also not true. Yes, Klitschko<br />

publiclysupportedthisprojectpastyear,and<br />

his brother became a member of the Center’s<br />

Supervisory Board. However, all this happened<br />

against the backdrop of the international<br />

commemoration of the 75th anniversary<br />

of the tragedy, when our highrankingofficials,truetotheabovementioned<br />

habit, were ready to support any initiatives,<br />

the more so such high-profile ones.”<br />

● “THE INITIATORS ARE<br />

TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH<br />

THE IDEA OF THE ‘SOVIET<br />

UNITY’”<br />

Has this project undergone any<br />

changes lately?<br />

“Already when it appeared, this project<br />

was, to put it mildly, very controversial.<br />

Firstly, the memorial museum center<br />

was to be dedicated exclusively to the<br />

Jewish tragedy of Babi Yar, which was also<br />

reflected in the architectural design. Secondly,<br />

from the very beginning, it was<br />

planned to be built at the former Jewish<br />

Cemetery, where the group of initiators<br />

who created the Babi Yar Memorial Foundation<br />

managed to lease a land plot. Incidentally,<br />

the last factor contributed to the<br />

fact that the implementation of the project<br />

was opposed by well-known Ukrainian<br />

and foreign rabbis, including the chief rabbi<br />

of Ukraine Azriel Haikin. This, among<br />

other reasons, prevented its implementation<br />

then.<br />

“However, past year, at the initiative<br />

of Fuks, the project became internationally<br />

important, and therefore, it was to be<br />

transformed from the Babi Yar memorial<br />

into a memorial and museum of the Holocaust<br />

in the former Soviet Union. From a<br />

scholarly perspective, this is nonsense.<br />

Across the former Soviet Union, persecution<br />

and extermination of Jews took place<br />

in completely different ways. However,<br />

from a purely political-ideological perspective,<br />

everything is clear. In this way,<br />

the initiators are trying to push through the<br />

historical memory of the Jewish community<br />

the idea of the ‘Soviet unity,’ which is in<br />

fact the well-known ‘Russian World.’<br />

“And I am sure this is not just their<br />

personal initiative. It is clear that Fuks and<br />

his partners in the project Mikhail Fridman,<br />

German Khan, and Viktor Pinchuk<br />

have thoroughly post-Soviet minds, especially<br />

since the first three have spent all<br />

their adult lives in Moscow, where they<br />

studied, created businesses, and became billionaires.<br />

Moreover, Fridman is an iconic<br />

figure in contemporary Russia, and I do not<br />

believe that he could have launched an international<br />

political-ideological project in<br />

Kyiv during a Russo-Ukrainian war without<br />

a direct Kremlin approval. The idea of<br />

commemorating ‘the Holocaust in the<br />

USSR’ was, in my opinion, approved in<br />

TOPIC OF THE DAY<br />

BABIYAR...<br />

as a staging area for<br />

the “Russian World”<br />

Vitalii NAKHMANOVYCH: “The Ukrainian government as represented by the president of Ukraine must<br />

genuinely assume responsibility for solving complex problems around the Holocaust Memorial”<br />

Staraya Square. At the same time, this<br />

project is a winning proposition for Russia<br />

from almost every side.”<br />

Why do you think so?<br />

“If they do build this memorial and it<br />

functions as intended, it will work even better<br />

than the Rossotrudnichestvo (the Russian<br />

Federal Agency for the Commonwealth<br />

of Independent States, Compatriots<br />

Living Abroad, and International Humanitarian<br />

Cooperation) operations. After all,<br />

the project is designed not only for Ukrainian<br />

citizens, but first and foremost for numerous<br />

tourists from all over the world,<br />

who will be told how Ukrainian collaborators<br />

exterminated the Jews. If they build<br />

it and the expected scandals begin around<br />

the Memorial or if they are not allowed to<br />

build it at all, then this is also wonderful,<br />

as it can be presented as anti-Semitic<br />

Ukraine disallowing the creation of the<br />

Holocaust Memorial. However it goes,<br />

Vladimir Putin will be fine with it.”<br />

And how can we prevent this?<br />

“Ukraine faces an urgent challenge,<br />

and there is only one way out of this situation.<br />

The Ukrainian government as<br />

represented by the president of Ukraine<br />

must genuinely assume responsibility for<br />

solving the Babi Yar issue in its totality.<br />

That is, they need to finally do what was not<br />

done in all previous years.”<br />

● “THE MUSEUMS OF<br />

HOLOCAUST AND BABI YAR<br />

CAN BE AMALGAMATED<br />

INTO A SINGLE FACILITY”<br />

And exactly what, in your opinion,<br />

should the Ukrainian government do in<br />

this situation?<br />

“This should be a triune concept. Firstly,<br />

it is necessary to create a memorial park<br />

and clean up the site. Secondly, the Babi<br />

Yar Museum should be created. Thirdly,<br />

the Holocaust Museum should be created.<br />

“These should be two separate museums.<br />

Unfortunately, we are not ideologically<br />

mature enough today for it to be a single<br />

facility. The Holocaust is totally absent<br />

from the national history of Ukraine. This<br />

is a complicated process of not just reflecting<br />

on a world phenomenon, but developing<br />

a Ukrainian perspective on it. The<br />

complexity of this task is due to the fact<br />

that the Holodomor happened here. In<br />

fact, there are no other countries where almost<br />

simultaneously such a number of<br />

large-scale genocides were carried out by the<br />

two most terrible totalitarian regimes of the<br />

past century. It provides exceptional opportunities<br />

for intellectual reflection, but<br />

we still have to go a long way to achieve it.<br />

“In principle, the museums of Holocaust<br />

and Babi Yar can be amalgamated into<br />

a single facility. The destruction of the<br />

Kyivan Jews is a point in which the Babi<br />

Yar story, which began during the war and<br />

continues, in fact, to this day, intersects<br />

with the Holocaust story that encompassed<br />

all of Europe. But, I emphasize, this<br />

is a very complex intellectual challenge,<br />

and we are not ready for it at this time.<br />

Therefore, what is doable today is to<br />

create two museums, dedicated to Babi Yar<br />

and the Holocaust, as well as to clean up the<br />

site. Moreover, the museums should be under<br />

no circumstances located at the burial<br />

places, and the creation of a memorial<br />

park should stop dead any further development<br />

exercises in this space.<br />

“Now, the president of Ukraine is the<br />

only person who can by the virtue of his office,<br />

so to speak, force all the interested<br />

groups to the same table and say: ‘Now we<br />

will really look for an agreement.’ That is,<br />

the government should be the leading<br />

force in this process. As for funding, a<br />

foundation should be established on the<br />

principles of public-private partnership.<br />

“We have the Ukrainian Institute of<br />

National Remembrance as well, which has<br />

actually been excluded from most memorial<br />

projects. When the Institute was<br />

created during Viktor Yushchenko’s presidency,<br />

it had the Babi Yar Sanctuary, memorials<br />

to the victims of the Holodomor<br />

and the Bykivnia Graves subordinated to<br />

it. However, under Viktor Yanukovych,<br />

the Institute was turned into an exclusively<br />

research institution, and all these facilities<br />

were transferred to the Ministry of Culture,<br />

where they have remained ever since.<br />

Still, it would be proper to concentrate<br />

them under the Institute of National Remembrance’s<br />

umbrella, because we need a<br />

coherent policy of memory regarding the<br />

Soviet and Nazi repression.<br />

“Meanwhile, the National Academy<br />

of Sciences’ Institute of Ukrainian History<br />

should be the leading institution that<br />

would develop the concept of the Holocaust<br />

and Babi Yar museums. Of course, it ought<br />

to recruit specialists from other institutions<br />

and even from other countries as well.”<br />

● “THE BABI YAR HOLOCAUST<br />

MEMORIAL CENTER<br />

PROJECT IS BEING CREATED<br />

AS A TYPICAL COLONIAL<br />

DESIGN”<br />

Siwiec said that they have recruited<br />

precisely that – an international group<br />

headed by the Dutch scientist Karel Berkhoff.<br />

“Director General of the Babi Yar Holocaust<br />

Memorial Center Siwiec has also been<br />

saying that they are conducting some kind<br />

of discussion all the time. But when the Institute<br />

of National Remembrance responded<br />

to his appeal by proposing to hold a series of<br />

public discussions with the participation of<br />

their sponsors with provisions for recording<br />

and publishing the positions of the<br />

participants and with the obligation to<br />

take into account the results of these discussions,<br />

that same Siwiec backtracked on<br />

his word and said that he had no authority<br />

to accept it. That is, all these meetings take<br />

place pro forma only, to enable them to then<br />

submit a long list of scholars with whom<br />

they have allegedly ‘consulted.’ All this<br />

sounds very similar to the numerous stories<br />

of scandalous property developments with<br />

false ‘public hearings’ involving hired<br />

grandmothers, while the building plots are<br />

guarded by tough guys.<br />

“Indeed, Berkhoff is a well-known specialist<br />

in the history of the Nazi occupation<br />

regime and was directly involved in Babi<br />

Yar research. But the problem is that he,<br />

like almost all members of this working<br />

group, is an outsider and has a completely<br />

different perspective. Western Europeans<br />

saw nothing more terrible than the Holocaust,<br />

and it is natural for them to separate<br />

it from the entire history of the 20th century.<br />

However, although the Holocaust<br />

was, by its very nature, a world-wide phenomenon;<br />

the perspective on it must be different<br />

in every country, because it also was<br />

(or was not) a part of local history. Therefore,<br />

of course, Berkhoff, as well as some<br />

other specialists, can be invited to cooperate.<br />

It is always good to listen to a person<br />

from the other side of the divide, since they<br />

will offer a different vision and you will see<br />

something new. However, the core group<br />

should be made up of Ukrainian scholars<br />

who have to offer a Ukrainian vision of the<br />

Holocaust and Babi Yar stories.<br />

“Atpresent,theBabiYarHolocaustMemorial<br />

Center project is being created as a<br />

typical colonial design. Ukraine is perceived<br />

exclusively as a territory inhabited by illiterate<br />

natives, where civilized Russians,<br />

Poles, and other Europeans should create a<br />

museum for tourists from all over the<br />

world.However,infact,itisUkrainianswho<br />

should create a museum and a memorial<br />

there,notfortourists, butfortheirchildren,<br />

both schoolkids and college students, who<br />

will come here to reflect on their own past<br />

and think about their own future.”<br />

By Mykola SIRUK, The Day<br />

WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />

By Mykola SIRUK, The Day<br />

On August 8, Georgia<br />

commemorated the 9th<br />

anniversary of the 2008<br />

Russo-Georgian War. Let<br />

us recall that as a result of<br />

the August 2008 war, 408 Georgian<br />

citizens were killed, including<br />

170 soldiers, 14 police officers, and<br />

228 civilians. The number of wounded<br />

and injured reached 2,232. Among<br />

them, there were 1,045 soldiers. As a<br />

result of the war, up to 30,000 people<br />

joined the host of refugees, currently<br />

numbering 263,598 in Georgia. Russia<br />

still has not fulfilled any of its<br />

commitments taken under the<br />

international ceasefire agreement of<br />

August 12, 2008.<br />

To commemorate those who died<br />

for the independence and unity of Georgia,<br />

national flags were simultaneously<br />

lowered to half-mast on the parliament<br />

buildings in Tbilisi and Kutaisi.<br />

Prime Minister of Georgia Giorgi<br />

Kvirikashvili along with members of<br />

his cabinet visited the Mukhatgverdi<br />

Brothers Cemetery to honor the memory<br />

of the warriors who died in the<br />

2008 Russo-Georgian war.<br />

“August 8 is the saddest day in the<br />

modern history of Georgia. I want to<br />

bow low before all the heroes who sacrificed<br />

their lives for their homeland.<br />

A candle in memory of them burns in<br />

the heart of every Georgian,” Kvirikashvili<br />

declared.<br />

In protest against Russian occupation<br />

and Russia’s actions in the<br />

occupied territories of Georgia, people<br />

lined up in a human chain just<br />

400 meters away from the Russian occupation<br />

army’s positions along the<br />

Karapila-Khurvaleti section of the<br />

central highway.<br />

Unity as the<br />

22nd<br />

anniversary<br />

of Operation<br />

Storm<br />

celebrated<br />

in Croatia

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