Chapter 34 Austin Plant - Plant Family History Group

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Update on the Plant Y-DNA project by Dr John S Plant (Member No 52) May 2007 This report describes the latest results, which are summarised in Table 1. Results for the whole Plant Y-DNA project appear on the web at: http://www.plant-fhg.org.uk/dna.html Since the last report (November 2005), in Issue Number 31 of Roots and Branches, there are a few further Y-DNA results to report. It is still the case that slightly more than half of those with the name spelling Plant or Plantt have matched, indicating that these spellings correspond to a singleancestor surname. A further volunteer with the spelling Plantt (PT2a) has been found, like the earlier Plantt tested (PT1a), to match with the main English Plant family. Both these Plantts match the PMH in Table 1, where PMH represents the most common Y-DNA signature for the Plant surname. A single volunteer from the German Plants family (PS1a) has now been tested and has been found not to match. Though it is rather premature to generalise from a single result, this is not unduly surprising, as there was no particular reason to suppose that the spelling Plants in the USA, which is believed to have German origins, would correspond to the same family as the main family with the spelling Plant or Plantt of medieval English origins. A further volunteer with the name spelling Plante (PE2a) has been found to match with two others with this spelling (PE1b and PE1c). Thus, three out of four of the North American Plantes who have been tested match one another. This family relates to a French-Canadian Plante family. However, this is a genetically distinct family from the main English Plant/Plantt family which is also found in North America. Two further people with the spelling Plant (P16a and P17a), who have been tested, have been found not to match. The results for P17a presented an unusual case. When twelve of his markers were measured, eleven of them matched to the main Plant family but the mismatching marker (DYS385b) was different by a value of three. It was uncertain whether this was a match, with just a single but unusual triple-step mutation at DYS385b, or even whether the testing company had made a mistake in measuring this particular marker. Alternatively, the genetic distance of 3 could be taken at face value and deemed to indicate that this Plant did not match with the main English Plant family. The testing company, FamilyTree-DNA agreed that this was an unusual case, which it was difficult to interpret with certainty; they agreed to re-run the test: this confirmed that the measurement was correct. The Plant volunteer (P17a) hence agreed to extend his test to 25 markers, paying the additional fee, in the hope that this would resolve the matter once and for all. When the further results came in, the conclusion was more clear cut, since a further eight of the measured markers did not match. It hence became clear that this Plant did not descend from the main English Plant family. The most likely explanation is that somewhere in the descent of this Plant (P17a), at some generation down the centuries, there was a false paternity event – for example, this could have been an unfaithful wife who passed off the child with her husband’s name, or the child may have received the Plant surname following adoption from a different father, or an unmarried Plant mother may have passed her own name on to the child rather than the father’s. There was another possibility however. Since the paternal lineage of P17a can be traced back to Rutland, it can be noted that this is quite near the early south Lincolnshire cluster of Plants, which is evident in pre-1700 Plant Name Distribution data. We can not be certain that the south Lincolnshire Plants originated with the same forefather as those in the main homeland of east Cheshire and north Staffordshire. It is still possible that the English Plant surname originated with more than one family and that we are getting a single-ancestor Y-DNA result simply because the east-Cheshire Plant family is swamping the overall picture we are getting so far from the Y-DNA results. However, if we apply Occam’s razor, which is sometimes called instead the scientific rule of parsimony, this states that, where there is doubt, we should make the simplest possible assumption. The simplest assumption, so far, remains that the English Plant or Plantt name originated from a single ancestor since there have been no more than the expected number of false paternity events down the centuries for the twenty Plants and Plantts who have so far been tested. 62
Branch Code Earliest known ancestor of branch Plant, Sheffield, P1a Thomas Plant of Clowne, ?b 1745 Sutton-cum-Duckmanton in NE Derbyshire to William England. Plant of Duckmanton, England. Plant, USA. PT1a William Plant(t), b c1655, lived in VA. Plantt, USA. PT2a Plant, Wales. Newport, P16a Charles Plant, b 1916 Birmingham, England Plant, Lincs. Stamford, P17a John Plant m Sarah Barsby at Morcott Church Rutland 31 March 1761 Plants, West Vir- PS1a Christian Plants, b 21 Apr 1747 Bavaria, Germany; descent through Jacob Plants, b c1807 ginia, USA. Washington Co., Pensylvania, USA Plante, Quebec, PE1b Jean Plante, sailed to Canada in 1647 from La Rochelle-Laleu, France; landed at Quebec Canada City, settled at Chateau Richer; descent through Francois b 1668 C.R. and Jos-Ambroise b 1697 C.R. Plante, Idaho, PE1c ditto; descent from Jean through his son Jean, then Louis, Joseph Marcel, Antoine, Jean USA Baptiste, Thomas, etc. Plante, Rich- PE2a Ernest Plante (1918-91) Burlington, Vermont mond, VA, USA. Plant, Brough, P9a late 19th century Hull, Yorkshire, England Yorkshire. Planter, Zaragoza, PR1a Ramón Planter (Goser) b 17.12.1844 Zaragoza; descent through Antonio Planter (Sangor- Spain. rin) b Jun 1905 Zaragoza, Spain. Plant, NSW, Aus- P18a James Plant b 1783 Sibsey, Lincolnshire to Richard and Sarah (née Waltham); James sons tralia. emigrated to Australia. DYS PMH P1a PT1a PT2a P16a P17a PS1a PE1b PE1c PE2a P9a PR1a P18a 19/394 14 14 14 14 15 14 14 13 13 13 14 14 14 388 12 12 12 12 12 12 15 12 12 12 12 12 12 390 24 24 24 24 24 24 22 24 24 24 24 24 24 391 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 10 10 10 11 11 11 392 13 12 13 13 13 13 11 11 11 11 13 13 13 393 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 389-1 13 13 13 13 13 13 12 13 13 13 14 14 14 389-2 29 29 29 29 29 29 28 30 30 30 30 30 30 426 12 12 12 12 12 12 11 11 11 11 12 12 12 425 12 12 12 385a 11 11 11 11 11 11 13 16 16 16 12 11 13 385b 14 14 14 14 12 11 14 18 18 18 15 15 15 439 11 11 11 11 13 11 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 458 18 18 19 17 15 16 17 459a 9 9 9 9 8 9 9 459b 10 10 10 10 9 9 10 455 11 11 11 11 8 11 11 454 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 447 25 25 25 26 23 26 25 437 16 16 16 15 16 14 14 448 20 20 20 19 20 19 19 449 30 30 30 31 28 35 31 464a 15 15 15 15 12 14 15 464b 15 15 15 16 14 16 15 464c 16 16 16 17 15 16 16 464d 16 16 16 17 15 18 18 460 11 GATA H4 11 YCA IIa 19 YCA IIb 21 456 18 607 15 576 17 570 20 CDYa 36 CDYb 37 442 12 438 12 Table 1: Latest Y-DNA results for Plant, Plantt, Plants and Plante; and for a Spaniard called Planter 63
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MEMBERS OF THE GROUP No Name Addres
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138 Mrs Jean D Ray 124 Lyth Hill Ro
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217 Mrs Sylvia Wells 16 Third Ave.,
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� 263 Ms Sharon Morton PH3 - 11 M
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104 Mrs Liz Plant 17c + 18c + e19c
Page 11 and 12: 213 Mr Kenneth Plant 18c + 19c Sout
Page 13 and 14: PAST MEMBERS INTERESTS If you wish
Page 15 and 16: 144 Mr Ron Plant General/ 146 Miss
Page 17 and 18: NEW MEMBERS Five new members since
Page 19 and 20: Alfred appears to have moved to Car
Page 21 and 22: MISCELLANEOUS RECORDS - IRELAND Bir
Page 23 and 24: London 3 Navy 2 Cheshire 13 Kent 2
Page 25 and 26: Plant, Robert Son 1876 Irel Lanc Pl
Page 27 and 28: Plant had a deep commitment to furt
Page 29 and 30: Extracts from Kelly’s Directory o
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Page 47 and 48: No. Name Status Occupation Residenc
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Page 51 and 52: PALMERS INDEX TO THE TIMES Palmers
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Page 55 and 56: Update on the Name Origins project
Page 57 and 58: • though no genealogical evidence
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Page 61: Update on the Plantagenet Y-DNA pro
Page 65 and 66: 1873 OWNERS OF LAND ‘The 1873 Own
Page 67 and 68: PLANT’S STEEL TOYMAKER BUSINESS W
Page 69 and 70: Radiologist for light metals. About
Page 71 and 72: PLANT CHART No 2 Stephen Plant = Sa
Page 73 and 74: PLANT CHART No 4 Joseph Plant = Mar
Page 75 and 76: EXHIBIT AT ROYAL AGRICULTURAL HALL,
Page 77 and 78: 1841 CENSUS St James Square Joseph
Page 79 and 80: 1871 CENSUS 105 Poole St - Municipa
Page 81 and 82: Assuming leaving home a few days be
Page 83 and 84: On 18 th September 1859 we arrived
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