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journeys. At present we do not have sufficient<br />

evidence on which to base the claim to which you<br />

refer. As I <strong>in</strong>dicated <strong>in</strong> my answer to the previous<br />

question, I am talk<strong>in</strong>g about the k<strong>in</strong>d <strong>of</strong> personal<br />

<strong>in</strong>terest that requires self-awareness. It is not a<br />

matter <strong>of</strong> mere biological function.<br />

Aloi: In 1993, you became the mov<strong>in</strong>g force<br />

beh<strong>in</strong>d the Great Ape Project (GAP). <strong>The</strong><br />

project’s ma<strong>in</strong> goal was that <strong>of</strong> obta<strong>in</strong><strong>in</strong>g a<br />

United Nations declaration that apes,<br />

chimpanzees, bonobos, <strong>and</strong> orangutans are<br />

members with human be<strong>in</strong>gs <strong>in</strong> the "community<br />

<strong>of</strong> equals.” What are the challenges the project<br />

has encountered thus far <strong>and</strong> what have been<br />

its most relevant steps forward?<br />

S<strong>in</strong>ger: Paola Cavalieri <strong>and</strong> I were the co-editors <strong>of</strong><br />

the book <strong>The</strong> Great Ape Project <strong>and</strong> co-founders <strong>of</strong><br />

the organization, so we played equal roles <strong>in</strong> it. <strong>The</strong><br />

ma<strong>in</strong> challenge we faced was, <strong>of</strong> course,<br />

speciesism. No legal system, <strong>and</strong> no UN<br />

Declaration, has ever recognized nonhuman be<strong>in</strong>gs<br />

as hav<strong>in</strong>g a similar moral or legal status to humans.<br />

In addition, even though people <strong>in</strong> <strong>in</strong>dustrialized<br />

nations do not th<strong>in</strong>k <strong>of</strong> great apes as sources <strong>of</strong><br />

food, chimpanzees have been used <strong>in</strong> medical<br />

research, <strong>and</strong> there is some resistance from the<br />

scientists who conduct such experiments.<br />

Fortunately, <strong>in</strong> other quarters, the idea that<br />

great apes should not be treated as tools for<br />

research has made some progress s<strong>in</strong>ce 1993.<br />

Experiments on great apes are now either banned<br />

or severely restricted <strong>in</strong> New Zeal<strong>and</strong>, Australia,<br />

Japan, <strong>and</strong> throughout the European Union. In the<br />

United States, at the time <strong>of</strong> writ<strong>in</strong>g, a bipartisan<br />

group <strong>of</strong> members <strong>of</strong> Congress is support<strong>in</strong>g<br />

legislation to end the use <strong>of</strong> chimpanzees <strong>in</strong><br />

<strong>in</strong>vasive research. I hope this will succeed.<br />

Aloi: A follow up to In Defence <strong>of</strong> <strong>Animal</strong>s, titled<br />

In Defence <strong>of</strong> <strong>Animal</strong>s: <strong>The</strong> Second Wave, was<br />

published <strong>in</strong> 2005. What prompted you to edit<br />

this book?<br />

S<strong>in</strong>ger: I did so because In Defence <strong>of</strong> <strong>Animal</strong>s<br />

had appeared <strong>in</strong> 1984 <strong>and</strong> the essays <strong>in</strong> it set out<br />

the ideas <strong>and</strong> strategies <strong>of</strong> the first phase <strong>of</strong> the<br />

movement. Twenty years later, much had changed,<br />

<strong>and</strong> I wanted to present the ideas <strong>and</strong> strategies <strong>of</strong><br />

the contemporary movement.<br />

Aloi: In 2007, you gave a talk at the Getty<br />

Centre on the subject <strong>of</strong> animal representation<br />

<strong>in</strong> art. What brought you to consider the subject<br />

<strong>of</strong> animals <strong>in</strong> art? In this talk you extensively<br />

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Peter S<strong>in</strong>ger & Paola Cavalieri<br />

<strong>The</strong> Great Ape Project, 1993<br />

dwelled on a pa<strong>in</strong>t<strong>in</strong>g by Oudry <strong>of</strong> Clara the<br />

rh<strong>in</strong>oceros question<strong>in</strong>g the artist’s level <strong>of</strong><br />

empathy with the animal portrayed. What is your<br />

take on the treatment <strong>of</strong> animals <strong>in</strong><br />

contemporary art by artists like Abdle<br />

Abdessemed or Huang Yo P<strong>in</strong>g?<br />

S<strong>in</strong>ger: <strong>The</strong> Getty Museum <strong>in</strong>vited me to give a<br />

lecture that co<strong>in</strong>cided with an exhibition they were<br />

hav<strong>in</strong>g <strong>of</strong> Oudry <strong>and</strong> his contemporaries. I saw this<br />

as an opportunity for my views about the ethics <strong>of</strong><br />

how we treat animals to reach a wider audience<br />

(the same reason that led me to agree to answer<br />

your questions), <strong>and</strong> most <strong>of</strong> my talk sought to set<br />

the context for Oudry’s pa<strong>in</strong>t<strong>in</strong>gs by describ<strong>in</strong>g<br />

Western attitudes to animals. I also expla<strong>in</strong>ed what<br />

was wrong with those attitudes. But I am no expert<br />

on animals <strong>in</strong> art, <strong>and</strong> I am not familiar enough with<br />

the work <strong>of</strong> the artists you mention to comment on<br />

it.<br />

Aloi: In the 2007 talk, the ideas <strong>of</strong><br />

empathy/sympathy for animals, as reflected by

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