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politikur kurss saqarTveloSi~.<br />
_ Tqven erT-erT CanawerSi brZaneT,<br />
rom beloruss ruseTTan urTierToba<br />
daeZabeboda da es qveyana saqarTvelos<br />
bodiSs mouxdida. dRes yvelani mowmeni<br />
varT rusul-belorusuli dapirispirebisa,<br />
romelic, savaraudod, ukve karga<br />
xania farulad mimdinareobs. cota xnis<br />
win prezidentma lukaSenkom msoflios<br />
gasagonad ganacxada, rom kremli mas<br />
uzarmazari Tanxis gamoyofas pirdeboda<br />
afxazeTisa da, egreT wodebuli, samxreT<br />
oseTis damoukidebel saxelmwifoebad<br />
cnobis sanacvlod. amis Semdeg dapirispirebam<br />
ukve Ria, xiluli saxe miiRo.<br />
aris Tu ara lukaSenkos gancxadeba is<br />
bodiSi, romelsac winaswarmetyvelebT?<br />
riT damTavrdeba or qveyanas Soris<br />
daZAabuloba _ belorusi wava daTmobaze<br />
Tu kremls mouwevs ukan daxeva?<br />
_ beloruss yovelTvis evropisken eWira<br />
Tvali, magram evropas ruseTTAan urTierTobis<br />
gafuWeba aranairad ar awyobda (mizezi,<br />
ra Tqma unda, energoresursebi iyo) da did<br />
angariSs uwevda kremlis moTxovnebsa da<br />
azrebs. amitom belorusis (da sxvaTa Soris,<br />
ukrainisac) mcdelobebs yuradRebas ar aqcevda.<br />
axla viTareba Seicvala _ saqarTvelom<br />
niRabi axada ruseTs da warmoaCina is msoflios<br />
TvalSi, rogorc arasaimedo partniori.<br />
Sesabamisad, Seicvala evropis ruseTisadmi<br />
damokidebulebac da beloruss aseT<br />
daZabul politikur viTarebaSi eZleva Sansi<br />
evropis xazze gasvlisa.<br />
rac Seexeba bodiSs: SeiZleba<br />
iTqvas, rom es naxevrad<br />
bodiSia, radgan lukaSenko<br />
mere kidev `ukeTesebs~<br />
ityvis.<br />
_ energoresursebTan dakavSirebiT:<br />
evrokavSiri seriozulad gaxlavT SeSfoTebuli<br />
moskovis bolodroindeli<br />
gancxadebebis gamo. vladimer putinma<br />
evropa ramdenjerme gaafrTxila, rom<br />
bunebrivi airis miwodeba SesaZloa kvlav<br />
Seferxdes, Tu ukraina ruseTis<br />
mimarT davalianebas ar gadaixdis. briuselSi<br />
gamarTul samitze evropam ukrainas<br />
uari uTxra daxmarebaze.<br />
ra moxda, qalbatono lela, nuTu<br />
evropa jer kidev, rogorc Tqven ambobT,<br />
`mainc msubuqad eTamaSeba~, mainc<br />
upiratesobas aniWebs ruseTs?<br />
_ diax, jerjerobiT mainc bolomde ver<br />
acnobiereben im safrTxes, rasac ruseTi<br />
uqadis evropas. sabolood maSin gamofxizldebian,<br />
roca<br />
ruseTi uceremoniod<br />
gadauketavs gazs da sibnelesa<br />
da siciveSi datovebs maT.<br />
rusebi yvelafers gaakeTeben,<br />
raTa evropas gazi ar miawodon!<br />
didi Svidianis Casvlac ar<br />
uSvelis dasavleTs. piriqiT,<br />
vxedav ori prezidentis<br />
kmayofil saxeebs. pirdebian,<br />
magram gazs mainc ar<br />
gauSveben! ai, aq gamwardeba<br />
dasavleTi ukiduresad da<br />
maSinRa gamoucxadebs did<br />
politikur oms ruseTs.<br />
es yvelaferi adrec maqvs naTqvami da<br />
zustad ase asruldeba.<br />
_ amas winaT sakmaod ucnauri gancxadeba<br />
movismineT amerikis administraciis<br />
erT-erTi maRali rangis Cinovnikisgan:<br />
`aSS dainteresebulia ruseTTan Tanam-<br />
Sromlobis konkretuli formebiT raketsawinaaRmdego<br />
Tavdacvis sakiTxebSi~.<br />
misi TqmiT, es saWiroa imisTvis, raTa<br />
Sesabamisi pasuxi gaeces `mesame qveynebidan~,<br />
kerZod, iranidan momaval seriozul<br />
safrTxes.<br />
ruseTis teritoriaze amerikuli raketsawinaaRmdego<br />
sistemis ganlagebis<br />
Taobaze gakeTebulma gancxadebam erTgvari<br />
Sokic ki gamoiwvia kremlSi, yovel<br />
SemTxvevaSi ase werda rusuli presa.<br />
ra iyo es, qalbatono lela, viRacam<br />
ixumra Tu SeTavazeba realurad arsebobs?<br />
_ amis pasuxad mxolod or<br />
winaswarmetyvelebas gagaxsenebT. pirveli 1994<br />
wlis 25 ivlisisa:<br />
`modis igi eSmaki. vin aris? aRsaniSnavia:<br />
koWlia, saSualoze maRali, monRolurad<br />
viwroTvalebiania aSkarad. es araa<br />
sadam huseini. igi did politikosTa Soris<br />
rigiT meoTxe-mexuTe iqneba; dRes ar Cans<br />
arenaze. didgvarovania, amayobs warsuli<br />
gvariSvilobiT, surs, rom aRadginos Zveli<br />
12<br />
da me getyviT Tqven...<br />
(dasawyisi gv. 2)<br />
`oqros urdos~ sazRvrebi, anu daipyros<br />
ruseTi! igi ixsenebs `oqros urdos~ batonobis<br />
xanas (uyvars istoria). amis Sesaxeb<br />
televiziiTac ki gamoacxadeben. magram<br />
miuxedavad amisa, rusebi dasawyisSi ar<br />
daijereben arafers da skeptikurad Sexedaven<br />
am moqmedebebs.<br />
omi daiwyeba Soreuli aziidan (CineTi,<br />
monRoleTi), centri iranSia.<br />
iaponia imeorebs meore msoflio omisdroindel<br />
taqtikas _ ar Caereva, daiWers<br />
neitralitets. igi ar endoba muslimebs<br />
sarwmunoebrivi gansxvavebis gamo, radganac<br />
icis muslimTa sastiki moqmedeba.<br />
momavalSi aziis qveynebs Soris moxdeba<br />
didi ganxeTqileba, rac gadaarCens saqristianos<br />
ganadgurebisagan sabolood (korea<br />
daiWers iaponiis mxares). ruseTi saSinel<br />
dartymas miiRebs muslimebisagan. RmerTi<br />
sjis rusebs saqarTvelos, qristianuli jvris<br />
wabilwvisaTvis.<br />
amerika Tavs Seikavebs manam, sanam ruse-<br />
Tis dapyroba ar SeaSfoTebs sabolood,<br />
ris Sedegadac amerika, inglisi, evropa<br />
erTiandebian ruseTis dasaxmareblad (ufro<br />
sakuTari Tavis gadasarCenad), SeikavSireben<br />
iaponiasac da orive frontidan Seuteven<br />
muslimur samyaros.<br />
muslimebi TiTqos mTel dasavleT evropas<br />
daipyroben mesame msoflio omis dros.<br />
germania Tavs daixsnis, safrangeTs Zalian<br />
gauWirdeba (TiTqmis ingreva eifelis koSki).<br />
brZolebi moskovSi. ingreva yvelaferi.<br />
vxedav, modis dro, rodesac wiTeli moedani<br />
sisxliT moirwyveba. moskovi xom (yovelTvis<br />
ase vxedavdi) Savi magiis centria dedamiwaze?!<br />
swored aq, moskovSi, wiTel moedanze<br />
daxvreten am koWl, wiTelqudian eSmaks _<br />
Savi Zalebis patrons, vinc iwyebs mesame<br />
msoflio oms!~<br />
da meore 1997 wlis, 15 agvistosi:<br />
`daiwyeba mesame msoflio omi. qva qvaze<br />
ar darCeba! gadarCebian mTebSi gaxizulni.<br />
bari da miwa sisxliT moirwyveba, adidebul<br />
mdinaresaviT wamovlen muslimebi da<br />
walekaven yvelafers.<br />
vxedavT, ruseTis tramali gaSavebulia<br />
muslimTagan. isini yvelafers moedebian.<br />
bevri iqneba ukvalod gamqrali qalaqi da<br />
sofeli; bevri iqneba daxocili didi da<br />
patara. ra adgilas? romel mxares? TiTqmis<br />
yvelgan!~<br />
ukve mravali welia, mesame msoflio oms<br />
vwinaswarmetyveleb da dRes ukve aSkarad<br />
gamoikveTa amis niSnebi. amerikam Zalian kargad<br />
icis, rom muslimuri samyarodan mar-<br />
Tlac modis umowyalo omis safrTxe da<br />
amadac cdilobs, yvelgan, sadac moaxerxebs,<br />
dadgas TavdacviTi teqnika.<br />
rusebs ver warmoudgeniaT,<br />
rom irani maT iaraRs<br />
Seubrunebs, magram merwmuneT,<br />
rogorc es 1993 wels<br />
viwinaswarmetyvele, Seubrunebs<br />
da Tanac, rogor!!!<br />
gaixseneT 1993 wlis 5 agvistos<br />
winaswarmetyveleba:<br />
`RmerTi sjis rusebs da did dartymas<br />
isini zustad muslimebisgan miiReben. TavisdaWirad<br />
yidian rusebi iaraRs, romelsac<br />
sakuTar saxlSi aufeTqeben~.<br />
_ iranSi saprezidento arCevnebs,<br />
romelSic mahmud ahmedinejadma gaimarjva,<br />
mosaxleobis mZafri dapirispireba<br />
da sisxlisRvra mohyva. opozicia xmebis<br />
Tavidan gadaTvlas iTxovs, prezidenti<br />
axmedinejadi uarzea. Setakebebi<br />
grZeldeba da jer bolo ar uCans.<br />
rogor damTavrdeba iranuli movlenebi,<br />
SeZlebs opozicia, gadaayenos prezidenti?<br />
_ opozicia prezidentis gadayenebas ver<br />
SeZlebs, magram<br />
ahmedinejads mainc ar uweria<br />
bolomde prezidentoba.<br />
ar u-we-ri-a!<br />
_ ramdenad imoqmedebs saqarTveloze<br />
es movlenebi? raime kuTxiT xom ar<br />
Seexeba iranSi momxdari areuloba Cven<br />
qveyanas?<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, ruseTi Seecdeba, gadaitanos<br />
aqcentebi iranul movlenebze, magram<br />
aqac imedgacrueba elis:<br />
kremli ver moaxerxebs msoflios<br />
yuradRebis, ase vTqvaT,<br />
akumulirebas iranze im mizniT,<br />
rom dro ixelTos da marto<br />
darCenil saqarTvelos rame<br />
dauSavos.<br />
_ kidev erTi problema, romelmac<br />
msoflio seriozulad daafrTxo, egreT<br />
wodebuli, Roris gripia. axlaxan jandacvis<br />
msoflio organizaciam daavadebis<br />
gavrceleba pandemiad Seafasa. ramdenad<br />
emuqreba epidemia saqarTvelos?<br />
_ qaTmis gripis samkurnalod, xom gaxsovs,<br />
teraflus dalevas gvirCevdnen eqimebi.<br />
hoda, axlac davlevT da movrCebiT. Tu es<br />
wamali qaTmis grips uxdeboda, Roris gripsac<br />
mouxdeba... vxumrob, ra Tqma unda.<br />
seriozulad da xumrobagaSvebiT ki mogaxsenebT:<br />
aranairi Roris gripi aranairad<br />
ar emuqreba saqarTvelos.<br />
rogorc qaTmis gripma<br />
agviara gverdi,<br />
ise es daavadeba agvSordeba.<br />
nu geSiniaT!<br />
_ me Zalian kargad maxsovs, roca,<br />
egreT wodebulma, qaTmis virusma sastikad<br />
daafrTxo saqarTvelo, ufro swori<br />
iqneba Tu vityviT, dazafra, Tqven ase-<br />
Ti ram brZaneT: nu geSiniaT qaTmis<br />
gripis. ufro saSiSi sezonuri virusuli<br />
daavadebebiao.<br />
samwuxarod, maSin Cveulebriv, `adamianur~<br />
grips marTlac mohyva letaluri<br />
Sedegebi. rac yvelaze cudia, bavSvebi<br />
emsxverplnen sezonur virusebs.<br />
_ qalbatono lela, isev politikas<br />
mivubrundeT: aSS saqarTveloSi axal<br />
elCs agzavnis. ras ityviT masze?<br />
nawinaswarmetyvelebi<br />
elCi<br />
jon besi<br />
_ es is diplomatia, romelic me warsulSi<br />
viwinaswarmetyvele. amitom isev imas<br />
vityvi, rasac maSin vambobdi:<br />
`axali elCi ufro obieqturia da Wkviani,<br />
samarTliani, winamorbedisgan gansxvavdeba!<br />
amitom es simarTle bevrs Tvalebs<br />
auxels!~ (2005 wlis 7 oqtomberi);<br />
`modis elCi, romelic ufro xalxs ugdebs<br />
yurs! Zalian swor informacias flobs,<br />
Tavs ar ityuebs da arc amerikis mTavrobas<br />
atyuebs~. (2008 wlis 22 ianvari).<br />
_ Tqven araerTxel giTqvamT, rom<br />
kremli mraval ugunur nabijs gadadgams<br />
da maT Sedegs Zalian mwared<br />
moimkiso. rusebis mier saqarTveloSi<br />
saerTaSoriso misiebis dablokvas Tu<br />
moyveba ukuSedegi?<br />
_ aucileblad! kremlma am nabijiT kidev<br />
ufro gaaRviva undobloba evropelebSi da<br />
kanonmoyvare dasavlelebi rogor pasuxsac<br />
gascemen rusebs, yvela erTad vnaxavT.<br />
_ da bolos, qalbatono lela,<br />
saqarTveloSi Zalian gavrcelda, egreT<br />
wodebuli, bolo Jamis molodini. me<br />
Semxvedrian aseTi adamianebi, magram,<br />
simarTle giTxraT, bolomde ver gavige,<br />
ras elodeba es xalxi...<br />
_ imas xom ara, rom dedamiwaze<br />
sicocxle gaqreba? erTi miTxras vinmem,<br />
vis unaxavs samyaros dasabami, rom misi<br />
dasasrulic ixilos? tyuilad nu iRlian<br />
Tavebs da nu iSlian nervebs: dedamiwa<br />
iarsebebs mudam da masze sicocxlec<br />
mudam iqneba.<br />
nuravin eliT kaliebisa da sxva<br />
mwerebis Semosevas, wylis<br />
daSrobasa da miwis gadaxmobas,<br />
mcenaruli safaris gaqrobasa da<br />
dedamiwis saerTod afeTqebas. es<br />
ar moxdeba!<br />
kacobrioba araerTxel mdgara<br />
didi gansacdelis winaSe,<br />
rasac uzarmazari msxverpli<br />
mohyolia, magram sicocxle<br />
ar Sewyvetila.<br />
axlac elodeba msoflios didi<br />
sisxlisRvra, magram es yvelaferi<br />
acdeba Cem saqarTvelos!<br />
yvelanairi safrTxe gverds<br />
auvlis mas da ara mxolod<br />
gadarCeba, aramed gabrwyindeba<br />
kidec!
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