Phoebe Mitchell Day Memoir - University of Illinois Springfield

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Phoebe Mitchell Day Memoir
D333. Day, Phoebe Mitchell (1895-1985)
Interview and memoir
1 tape, 90 mins., 40 pp.
BLACK COMMUNITY PROJECT
Phoebe Day discusses her life in Springfield: her neighbors and neighborhood, her
beauty shop business, marriages, and her husband's furniture refinishing business.
She recalls her treatment as an office building matron at the Centennial Building
under the administrations of Secretaries of State Edward Barnett and Paul Powell.
She recalls the 1908 Springfield race riot and the destruction it caused, invasion of
her home by soldiers, and efforts to protect the Governor's Mansion.
Interview by Reverend Negil L. McPherson, 1974
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This manuscript was made possible by a grant from the Illinois
Bicentennial Ccarmission. It is the product of a tape-recorded Inter-
view conducted by Rev. N o L. McFherson for the Oral History Office
in Wch, 1974. LaDonna mnge transcribed the tape; Kay MacLean edited
the transcript. Mrs. Day reviewed the edited transcript.
Phoebe Mitchell Day was born in Springfield, Illinois on May 16, 1895.
She received her education in Springfield and later completed a course
in beauty culture in Chicago,. She ran her own beauty shop and was employed
as an office building matron by the State of Illinois. After her marriage
to Mr. James R. Day in 1947 &he returned to both occupations and also
assisted her hsband in his rurniture refinishing business in Springfield.
Her memoir includes recollections of the Springfield Race Mot of 1908
and her employmnt experiences.
Readers of this oral hlstory m m l r should bear in mind that it is a
transcript of the spoken word, ard that the interviewen?, narrator and
edltor saught to preseme the informal, conversational style tht is
Merent in such historical sources. Sangamon State University is not
responsible for the factual accuracy of the rnemolr, nor for views
expressed therein; these are for the reader to judge.
The rrmuscrlpt may be read, quoted a.rd cited f'reely. It rray not be
reproduced in whole or in part by my means, electronic or mechanical,
without permission in writing h the OraJ JlLstory Office, Sangamon
State Universfty, Springfteld, Illinois, 62708.

Mrs. Phoebe Mitchell Day, March 25, 1974, Sprkgfield, Illinois.
Rev. N. L. McPherson, IntemTiewer.
Q. Mrs. Day, I waderstand that you weren't born too far from where you
now live?
A. No, no, 1610 East Mason Street, that's where I was born.
Q. So that's just one block over?
Q. did you move?
A.
Well, we had a chance to buy this place over here at 1605 East
Reynolds; that f s where Mr. [Clmnce W. 1 Liggim is living now. But
my mtkr used to raise vegetables and sell the garden. And she had one
of these little ten-cent banks and she had raised the ammt of two
hundred dollars that she paid down on this place at 1605 East Reynolds.
It had an extra lot. The house was on the comer then, see. And that's
why she wanted to move there-ln order to raise m e garden in this extra
lot to take care of her family. There was a big family of us, see.
Q. And so then you movd to 1605 East Reynolds.
A. Fast Reynolds Street, yes sir. My mother died January 11, 1908, see,
and Dad stayed there with me; I kept house for hlm d nly fowl brothers
for three years. In the meantime, well, my sister, when I was Iifteen,
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Ard they took the place over.
Q. Oh, the same address?
A, They took the place over, yes sir. They mved the house, which was
on the comer on the inside lot. hd that left the comer lot, because
Mr. Liggins was crazy about flowers and yaxd, you know, and he kept
Such a beautiful place. So, in the meantime, I taken up . . . well . . ,
I didn't say about go- to the school.
Qm Well, om. Now where dld you attend school, then?
A. At the Palmer School here at Twelfth an3 Reynolds.
Q. So you walked to school then because it was . . .
A. Oh yes, oh yes, yes. We all-the children went there.
Q. Now, at what age did you go to Palmer School?
A. Well, I graduated f'rm the Palmer School, I guess when I was, well,
when I was, I thfnk, fifteen.
Q. Now, did you go to my other school?
A. No, only to this beauty culture school. No, that was the only
Schooling I had.
Q.
So, would you want to tell me something about this beauty cultwe
school? Where was this school located?
A. In Chicago.
Q, !DIE! sclnool was in Mcago? How long . . .

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A. On April 26, 1929, I was certified as a Registered Beauty Culturist,
State of Illinois, went to the VoPon Beauty School in Chicago, Illinois.
Q. All right. So in 1929 you got your certification?
Q. NOW, how long did it take you to go to this school in order to get
the c&rtification? Was it one yew, two years?
A. Oh, I think it was Just about a year.
Q. Now, after you finished, then, you came back to Springfield?
A. I warked a wMle there in Chicago, on 47th and South Park Boulevard.
Q. How long did you work there?
A. Well, I came back home to stay In 1930 when my father passed.
Then I set up the business aver there in my lister's home-my beautician
semrice.
Q. Now, what was business like? Was it a pretty good business?
A. Well, I was supposed to be one of the best here. It was mch
harder then than now, because my mab feature was growing the hair. I
had-they said, growlng hair,' and everybody 's hair I did, their hair
?his is acccsnplished by using conditioning creams on the
hair and scalp and massaging the scalp. - .

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Q. Is that right.
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A. And I was pressing at that time, d curling on top of that pressing
was much harder. It kept me-it was pretty good pay-, you know,
business, but not like it is now.
Q. Did your custmrs cane by appointment or they just came?
A. Oh, they always made an appointment, most always made an appointment,
yes.
Q. Did you have any helper?
A. No helper. I was just too paYlticuLw; I just never had no helper.
I just tiid rqy work myself.
Q. Now, about how many custmers on an average d.ay could you do?
A. Oh, I could do. . . . Well, some of them would wash their own
hair, you how, and I coUd do around three, or four sometimes. That
was kind of strenuous.
Q.
What time did your day stast?
A, Sanetimes I'd have to-the girls would probably have to get out
and go to their work or sanething, and I st&ed sometimes 7:30 or
8: 00 a.m., and then I'd just work right on and on. Sometimes it would
-z
Pressing is straightening hair; heated combs are pulled through
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be ten o'clock at nlght before I got tkough.
Q. And yet, you would do just three or four?
A. Three or COUP, yes sh.
Q. So, it took a pretty long time to do one.
A. Oh yes, yes. I was supposed to be one of the best operators here
at that time,.yes.
Q. How long did you have your shop, I mean, did you work? How many
years, for instance? You say you started In 1930.
A. 1 worked over there [Chicago], and came home and worked over there
in 1930 and clear up until I got this job for the State under Secretary
[mwayld J.1 ~arrett.~
Q. All right, you worked until you . . .
Q, Now, you work& for two years for the State der Secretary Ba~rett.
So it would mean, then, that you worked at your shop,say, for about fif-
teen yeam.
A. Yes.
3~ appointment took about two hows. There was the between
appointments.
4~~ J o Barrett, a Democrat, was secretary of state from 1945
to 1953. Ed. ii

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Q. Now, what was working for Secretary Barrett like? What did you
have to do?
A. Well, matron. I was a matron over there in the Centennial Building
at that %he--very nice. I just can't remember the salary.
€2, Could you give me any of your personal experience that you encountered
while w~rking for there?
A. Oh, I always got along with everybody..
Q. I notlce you have this beautif'ul card here with several signatures
on It.
A. That was when I worked for the new State [Office] EULldhg.
Qo Oh, that wasn't for Secretary Bamett? Did you get anythin@;, any
kind of a certificate dr amythlylg, when you flnlshed worw for him?
A. Well, they one time-when was It? I got sick and they wanted me
back over %here, and I had a lot of signatures frm the people that wanted
me back over to the Cen&mial Building. BLI~ I didn't stay long because
I resigned there in 1947 because I was going to marry Mr. Day and go to
Portland, That's why I resigned over there.
Qo Oh, I see.
A. We, as I say, we got mayrled.
Q. I see. So you got married then in 1947.
A m After be- a widow for twenty years! I met Nr. James Rm Day of
Portland, Oregon. We were married August 16, 1947-you see, 1947

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is the year I r etm f'rcan the State--by the late Rev. J. Alfred Wilson.
I went to Portland, Oregon, where Mr. Day was in f'urniture refinishing
business. We came back here in 1950, and he opened up hLs own shop In
the rear of our be.
Well, Mr. Day, he knew my sister ard I were very devoted to each other.
And he said, "If you get lonesame for her, well, we'll come back here. 'I
And he contracted astknna awfully bad there. It was surrounded by four
muntahs, And the doctor ordered him out of Portland. So then we
decided to cane back here. Then I helped him build his business up,
here Lnthe shop. He worked for G & E [F'urnitttre Ccenpany] for four
years, and I billed the furniture In ard out of the shop mtil we
worked up a nice trade, you know. He worked fop so many of the stores
here4Madisonfs and Hemdon's store.
He only had one price for everybody. Mr. George Kreider was one of
the wealthiest men here, and ever since he opened the shop, he had
work In there. And, he only had one price, whether it'd be rich or
poor. He was so well-loved and gained so-we gained a lot of Piends
far that.
Q. Naw how long did he work?
A. Well, he learmed the refinishing business in 1911 in IWmeapolis ard
ever sZnce 1911 he had been a refinlsher. Then when he went to Portland,
Oregon, E;dwardts Fbmiture Store hired hlm, and he worked there for
twenty-five yews, and they left him in a trust flxnd. They thought so
much of him, they left him in a trust fund, which we both got until he
passed, you know.

Q. But you don't get any . . .
A. No, tht was just for his lifetime.
Q. Now, when you and Mr. Day moved back to Sprhgfield, how long did
he work for these f'urniture people downtown and all that?
A, Well, he worked, oh, he had all-most of the wealthy people here.
The Bees, he did all thelr office.
Q. Who's the Prees?
A. Attorney Prees' office. He did all the Herndon people's store
and out into all theh homes. Mr. George Kreider, he done all of his
work. Antiques, -he dealt in antiques. And James did all of his sister's,
Mss Mary &eider. You know, they're very lovely to colored, if you
understand and know. And James done all the work for them. And lW. [John]
Sankey .
Q. Now, did he go to their hmes or dZd he have a shop here?
A. No, he'd go out- shop is built right back there at the alley.
Vredenburghs built that brick sbp, brick build-, see,
Q. Back here?
A. Back here. James would go out--and somethes they'd cme and get
him, most of the time, ard take him out. He'd make an estimate on
furniture, his work, you see. And bring it 9n to the shop.
Q. Now, what is the shop being used for now?

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A, I haven't had nothing done. I just haven't been able to fix It up,
yet.
9. Now, you say you all were married for twenty-five years?
A. Twenty-five years, the most beautif'ul marrhge. We was very, very de-
voted and everywhere I worked, over to the State, they all knew how
devoted we were. Custmrs would cane hwe and they'd just admire
M, They'd even put their arms arowld hjm and kiss him.
, .
Q. Is that right. Did that me you jealous?
A. No1 (Wter) No! I loved it.
Q. Is that right.
A. Yes. Dr. Armstrong' s wife, she'd come out here, and neighbors-
the [John] Twaskys, they lived t h e r e we stood out here and we just
laughed about it. She says, "Oh, Mr. Day, you're such a wonderf'ul per-
son. We all love you," she said.
Q. I know that you said that you were a widow for twenty years, so
when you were mayrid before you mayrid Mr. Day . . .
A. I was xoarrfed twice before I met Jk. Day. first marriage was to
Fdward Brown, and I lived in Chicago. And my next marriage was to
Fbnssell Davis, and he chauffeured for [Mr. Thomas] Vredenburghs. Well,
I had a decfsion to make. They didn't live the llfe that I wanted to
live, Ed was a railmad man, and you know what they say, they have a
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in Chicago, Russell, chauffeur, he dLdntt live true to me, see.
And evidently, I felt that they didn't want to have a kame; I wanted to
have a hme. Security, I worked hard all of my life, see? And three
years was the limit with both of them. Three yews.
Q. Was there any partfcular reason for three years, or what?
A, Well, I was just holding on, and thlnk;lng maybe that things would
change, you hnm, see. But they didn't. So, that was it. And I got
divorced from both of them.
Q, How old were you, for instance, when you married the first tae? Do
you remember?
A, I was, oh, I just don't know.
Q. That's okay if you don't remember. But then after you got divorced
fhm them, you stayed umamied for twenty years?'.
A. Yes, I did.
Q. And during this time you worked in your beauty parlor?
A. Yes. Yes, I taken care of myself, and I helped my sister over there.
Yes. And just . . . well, I just hadn't never thought I'd ever marry
Wn. Wlt along come this . . .
Q. Well, how did you meet Mr. Day?
A, Mr. Day, as I safd, he has his penple here. He has two sisters and
one Fn Chlcago. Mrs. Josephine Mosley, his sister, brought him over to
meet me, ard that's how we met. He explained that he was lonely and

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needed a wife, and I was lonely. He lived with his wife for 47 years,
ard I thought if he could live with his wife for 47 years-4 I'd
heard he was such a lovely man and she was a lovely wcmm. I said,
tWell, surely I could live-maury ard Hve vdth h3m the rest of my
f I took it upon those bases. And I had heard that he was
such a lovely person, which he was.
Q. So his wife died, then?
A. His wife died Zn Portland, Oregon, and he lived there two years--
over two years-as a widower. And, of course, they brought her body here.
And I never had any children. As I say, I've always loved babies and
children and old people, but he had a son that had three children,and
three grandcWldren. Well, I was a wonderrU1 stepmother to them; I
laved them. Ayld I did everything I could because he loved them.
And, decoration t b
every year, I would go out to his wife's gave
first and decorate her grave before I'd go to my graves over there in
God's Garden in Oalcridge Cemetery. See, she was buried in the old part
there under the Hubbarrds. I did that ever slnce I came back here in
1950-e'very year-because I knew he laved his a fe and thought a lot
of her. And I did it because I loved him and wanted him to be happy and
contented, see.
Q, That's really beautikl.
A. That's what I did,
QL That's really nice. All right. Now, Mrs. Day, could you tell me
sanething about this card here? I know this is on your retbment.

Phoebe Mitchell Day
A. Yes, sir. Well, I went to work for the State in the new State
[Office] Building October 16, 1965, and I retired June 15, 1970 because
of hsband's ill health.
Q. Ard did they give you this?
A, And they gave me this. They had a big party over there. I was the
only one, so I'm told; I had two big parties. I was in the hospital for
ten weeks with veh trouble, ard they was so lovely to me, all the
people at work there, I wanted to do sanething for them, and I had
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a party for the people in the building fkm Mr. Tom Owens on down,
see, arid to show appreciation. That was the first party. They said
they'd never had mybody over there to have a party like that in the
State.
&, Is that right.
A, Yes, I cooked turkey and dressing, and I had stuff brought in--
potato salad and slaw frcan the Fleetwood Restaurant.
Q. About how many people did you have?
A. I had nearly, I think it was about ninety.
Q. Is that right.
A, Nw, tw is mother party, This is my retkernent f'rm there which
Ttve nwer gone back. This is another pmty that they wanted to-the
%n Owens was superhtendent of buildings and grounds d e r
Secretary of State Paul Powell. He was also Democratic County Chairc-
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girls ad all-they wanted to give, so I said, 'Well, a11 rwt .I' And
we all got together, and I helped. Of course, I did a lot of the
cooking Uke I always do--turkeys and dressing a d gravy ard all that,
Q. Is that right.
A. They always would say, '-t you got over there, Phoebe?" And, I 'd
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see, share with them. And that was under Secretary Paul Powell, see,
at that time. Oh, and thls is the dignitaries, or the state workem
and office holders-they've all got their signatures here.
Q. I see. Now did you ever take a chance to count to see how many
signatures are on there? Did you ever cow? This looks like many to me.
A. Let's see. This is 117 names under that d-taries and state
offlce holders and state workers and matrons and maintenance man and
janitors-117 names there. 7
Q. mt was some pasty.
A. Oh, lands, there was Just a big party, and everybody just kid, . . .
M you see all the post office men signed the caj?d there. They'd write
Uttle notations of . . . .
Q. Of your service.
6~aul Powell, a Dmcrat, was secretary of state fmn January,
1965 to October, 1970. Ed.
7Tkre was also an office mmoraradm dated June 11, 1970 Aom
workers In the Department of Conservation with 62 names on it.

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A. And how they loved me and all.
Q. Now did you experience-I take it, then, working there, that you
didn't experience any prejudice or . . .
A. Oh, land, no. No, everybody loved me so. You know, as you go
through life, if you treat everybody nice, more than generally theytll
always treat you nice, see. No, I never really . . . . Oh, you don't
always go along with people, wlth what they say and do, you how; you just
judge for yourself, don't you know. No, we got along all right.
Q. ThZs mst have been a glorious experience for you.
A. It was, it was. And the @ls, they all called me up, they dLd, you
know. Well, I had hoped to get back over there. Mr. Tom Owens, the
county chairman. , . . But they-things was. . . . Well, politics
and one thhg and another. And then since Mr. LL&nsf health is
failkg him so fast, well, he needs all my attention now. So I've
@ven up the idea of going back over there because Itve got to look
after Mr. Liggins,
Q. How long have you been looking after Mr, Liggins?
A, Well, Sister died August the kh, 1966, and then I took over. So
I worked over there, you know, but. . . . He come over here, and he
and Mr.+my husbard, they j,ust got along so well together. They'd kid
each other, you know, and everything, you know. So, of course, now
slnce my husband passed, llggiins just missed him terrible, and, of
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he had astkma so bad!
He was pamlyzed, oh, about fifteen years before he passed, on his
lef't side which he drug a little bit. And then on his right side,
in late years, he had "patterstt of the bone, which was very painfhl.
Kind of like arthritis, I guess. Well, you how, he only lost six
months out of the shop. When he had this stroke, the doctor sald,
tWell,tl Dr. [Robert A*] Natchwey, he sM, llYou can do more for h3-n at
home than in the h~spita.1.~~ And I started to massage lxb-Itd put his
arm in a bucket of hot water and his foot in a tub of hot water as he
could bear it-and I started to massaging him night and morning, James
didn't want to lose the use of Us left kaand; he used the balls in his
hand all the time. Three or four otclock In the mrmhg I'd go 5n
there and held be using that ball in Ms hand, see.
I did that all the time, and he got up so he could lean up against the
wall, and Itd massage his neck ard back, you know. And Dr. Natchwey
told me, when I brought him out of that stroke, I missed my calling.
Instead of being a beautician, I should have been a nurse. And he only
lost slx months out of the shop. He went back into the shop six
mnths af'terwaxds.
Q. Is that right! And he worked . . .
A. And he worked clear up until a year. He was nearly a ye= getting
Ms f'urniture out; he had accmlated so much rumJ.twe.
Mr. George &eider was the last one that taken out four chairs-
captats chabs, they called thethat James had did. And he came to the

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house-he never wanted James to lift anything-and he put his arms
wound him, fight here in the kitchen, and he said, he said,
lvyou are two wonderf'ul people, and I have to admire your wife. "
Said, "She's such a lovely person, ad she has pulled you out of
your sickness,!! you bow. And he said, We admire you so mch."
And the last time-he had Ms white jeep-we went down to the shop
with h&n, and he waved down the alley at us. And that was the last
tlme we saw h9m alive, because he had a wreck out on the highway and
he got bmed in tMs jeep.
Q* Mr. bider?
A. Mr. George Kreider did. See, somebody run Uto him, I think it was.
Q. That's unfortunate. Now, did your husband have anyone worklng
wlth hh~? Did he have an apprentice?
A, No, no, He was very particular about his work. Hers had people to
come-young men-that wanted to help him. Now, he'd order than supplies
f'mn Chicago for them, but refinishing is hayld work. He said, l"Ihey
don't want to do the hard work," which is mbb- down the f'urniture,
see. Therevs where the beauty canes in, you know.
Q. Sandpapering it?
A, Thatrs right. And even when customers would cane, Ird have to go
down there wlth them, if they bad children, to keep the children f'rm
putting their hards on It because he'd have to do all that work over, see?
Q. Now, I: notice you said that you mother died in 1908.

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A, November the llth, 1908, yes,
Q. Now 51terestbgl.y enough, that's the same year they had the . . .
A. The plot.
Q, The riot.
A. In Augyst, 1908. And I was happy that Mother wasn't here, you know,
slnce she had to go.
Q. You man your mther wasn't here during the riot?
A. No, she had died in January before.
Q. Oh, she dled in Jarma~y?
A, And the riot was in August that year.
Q. Oh, I see. I thought you sald November, but she died in January.
A. Yes, in Jarma~y.
Q. Okay. Now, could you then tell us . . .
A. Yes, and I was twelve years old then.
Q, Do you r d e r anything?
A, Yes, I remember It well because they started-we heard all the
hollering a d looked and saw the f&re down toward town. And they said
they was b- the Union Baptist Church and breaklng 9n Otls Duncants
ha=, there, Mrs. Dr. Ware, you know, that was Otist sister,

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So, we was f'rightened, and I had my little brother, Richard, with me--
he was three years younger than me;-and didntt know what to do, only
we went, . . . Sister took us and we went over here at the railroad,
here on Nineteenth Street and Reynolds, and got up in the boxcar until
they called the militia cut, see, Thls happened at night, you know.
Q, Yes, You, your sister and your brother, you went bto the rail-
mad car.
A, Went over there to the railroad and got In the boxcar; we wasn't
by ~urselyes. There was just, just . . .
Q. There were other people?
A, Oh yes, white and colored, yes. I just prayed for an engine to cane
up there and back up there and pull us away-somewhere. But, along up
and through the day, why, they said, "EVerything is--you can go back home."
We came back home.
Q, Do you member what day this was, now?
A. Oh, we didn't stay there ordy just up until day. I guess up around
about nine or ten olclock in the day, ami militia was out, see. So, we
had a cornfield there where LQrginsf house is now.
Q. Oh, 1605 [East Reynolds street]?
A. Yes, and Mother-we had a tmnk of things, and we put that in the
midle of the cornfield so they probably wouldntt see it, you know, see,
which they didn't. Of our whatever, ow valuables.

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But Wther and Daddy always-we had a cow d we raised our own mat,
smoked our own ham, sausage and stuff, And we had a great blg, icebox,
arrd Daddy used to get watermelons over here at the railroad, and we'd
sell them, fifteen or twenty cents to ow neighborsT you how, And
soldiers went W there In this big cupboard we had-Icebox-and just
riddled it and took whatever they wanted. The hams . . .
Q, You mean they actually entered your house?
A, Yes, they entered and taken our hams and sausages whatever they
.wanted to eat. They did!
Q, Yaw house was down at the corner at that time?
A. Yes, our house was on the corner at that tlme.
Q.
That's the comer then of Sixteenth & Reynolds?
A. Yes, that was the old [Walter] Casey place, old Casey place. He
used to be a mil carrier,
&. Dld they hurt anybody? Any of you?
A, No, no. None of us, no.
Q. What did you all do when they came in your house?
A. Well, they had--we wasn't . . .
Q. Now are these the soldiers?
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Q, Oh, not the rioters?
A. I don't know, I don't know, There was taken . . . 1 don't know who
ad It, but T guess it was the soldjlem, because we was out in the boxcar.
Q, Oh, now Ihn getting it, (laughter) Okay. I1m just trying to get
the sequence of thbgs, here.
A, Yes, they was gone; there was very Uttle they left out of there,
Q, Now, how long-you spent one night in the boxcar?
A, Yes, until that mom. It was smetlme early that morning we come
on back home.
Q. The trunk that you . . .
A, It wasn't disturbed.
Q, . , . took and put in the cornfield-it wasn't disturbed?
A. No, no.
Q o
JW, all the other things in your house was?
A, In the house was. They taken our food. So I don't know whether
it wakit wai pone; there was just very little left there. M e
was hams and bacon and sausages and like of that. We had our own cow there.
They allawed that at that time to raise here, you know, in the cfty.
Q. All right, is there Whhg else, now, you remember of the riot?
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worked for Secretary [James A,] Rose. And Secretary Rose had sent
him a telegram to take hls TamL1y-a his DPerds-In there and protect
the house, protect the mansion, That's where he was, where he worked, at
the mansion, the governor's mansion. So Sister taken us there,, me and
brother there. Ard there was another family, Hardin long. His wife . . .
Q, Who wa6 that?
10
A, Hardin Long* His wife and little boy there. And, we stwed there.
&t in the meantime; after we got there we decided to go to St. Louis
because my brother worked there in St. Louis. He was a waiter on the
Crailhad. And, when we got on the Interurban-Mr. L-hs walked us
down and put us on the interurban--and when we started out and we got
several blocks, why, they said-they cane as to jeering at us and
making reroarks that;, "Uh! We'll get stunk off by the niggers ." So
Sister had the man to let us off at Sprhg a& Edwards, there, and we
walked back to the manslon. And there we stayed for about three days.
Q. Now, who told you they were gabg to put you off?
A, Well, the people on the bus.
'~arnes A. Rose, a Republican, was secretary of state fmn 1897
to May 23, 1912 when he died. Ed.
'There was a cousin of Me. I;LpgLns there, also, Mr. Joe Overby.
Mr. Mln Long was a man Mr. Ligg5.m had Med seveml times to work
at parties at the mansion.
10Ldg@;ins warned us to stay away fkm the windows because he didn't
want the soldiers or anybody to know we was in there, see. AnI we heard
the soldiers say that they hung old man Donegan, and I thhk they hung
Burton, too. Old roan Donegan was mied to a white lady, I think thatrs
the way it was. We heard the soldiers ta-ng about it. They was pro-
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Q. Oh, it was a bus?
A. Tt was a bus, see. Yes, a bus,'' And they were leaving, too.
They were scared and leavlng, you know, But we was about the only
colored on there, see, M Slster was maid that they might take us
off ard harm us, but we got off and walked back to the manslon.
Q, Now where was the bus station?
A. It run out, . . , Well, it come along thwle by--on Spring Street,
you Imow.
Q, And so you all walked back to the mansion?
A. Yes, we walked back, We got off at Spring and Edwards and walked
back there to the mansion. So we stayed there until about three days.
After everything got quiet, then we came ha.
Q. Now, did you go to the m ion the morming after you came back f'rom--
after you all spent the night . . .
A. That day.
Q. That day you all went to the mansion. Then you stayed for three days.
Now, by this time your valuables that you had in the trunk-did you
take them to the mansion, too?
A, No, we Just left than right in the cornfield because it couldn't
be seen, I tW. I don't know; I can't rennembe~ whether Sister taken

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Q On the bus?
A, On the bus, They dLdntt get off when Sister and we did. TheP
kcme was down South-+ Kentucky4 thelr chlld ate some green grapes,
I think it was, and taken sick and dld down there.
Q. Is that right. All right, after you . . . you stayed Ln the msion
three days and you came back home. Were thhgs quieted dawn?
A. Yes, yes, Yes, everything was quieted down.
Q. And you all didn't have any trouble?
A, No, No, we didn't have no-trouble.
Q, Of course, you were a young girl and so you don't rePnember what the
effects of it would be,
A. No, I dontt. I was young.
Q. All right. Now, Mrs. Day, is there any reason, particular reason, why
you decided to stay in Sprlmgfield? I mean, I know you mentioned that
you went to Chicago to the beauty school and you worked there,
A. Well, as I say, I've always been used to a amll city, and I never
was really happy living in Chicago, you haw. As I say, my sister and
I were so very devoted to each other, and when Daddy died in 1930, well,
I came home. I stayed home.
Q. And you set up your . . .
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had raw, you lo?ow, So I wax very satisfled arad happy because I was
here vdthmy sister, She's the same as a mother to us younger brothers
One thing about my mother, she raised her children to always rdnd the
older children. She never allowed us to fight or fuss amongst oumelves,
And I r e e r once two brothers got into it, fighting caning home
frcm school-Ruby and Clyde. And they cmne in telling Mother all
that, you know, and everythlrg, Arid rny mother went out and skinned
some leaves off a (laughs) , . . and put them together in three
bunches, She had one and they each had one. She says, "Now, if you
want to fight, you whip each othermW And when one would hit the other
a little bit too hard, then she'd hit Wm. So, if they ever fought at
school, Mama never he& it. She broke that up right away.
Another thing, we had a worderf'ul principal of our school, Mr. McKinney.
He was so wonderf'ul and helped the poor. had several children.
He bought my brother a palr of shoes once. Bought hhi a pair of shoes.
And Me was always told to be obedient to our teachers and principal, see.
We got along fine. And it's the way that Mother raised us; it was the
way that she raised us, yes.
Q, All right. Now, do you belong to .my organ3rzatlon?
A, No, no. I never joined the beauticians1 organization because I had
more work than I could do. It meant that I had to be going to meting
ad things like that, and I just never joined them for that reason.
I'll tell you I did-I was always crazy about bridge, and I played

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brldge, I'd w b mostly either fbst or secod prLze all the tue. I
never gossiped, They sad, IfOne thbg about Phoebe, she canes to play,
she plays, You never hear her gossiping about what this one had In her
hare," That n m
Mterested me, see, So when I married my husband, well,
he didnk pla~ cards, and he was mrklng in the shop. And I gave it up.
I told them, I: said, "This is my Last meeting with you girls ." llWell,
what was the trouble?tt I said, "Nothing normore than I w mt to spend
mre t3-1~ with my husband. He don't play cards.1f 'Well, does he how
yoube going to quit?tt I said, "No, I haven't said anything to him. Hers
down in the shop," I never said anything to him, but I did tell him
when he came up.
And I says, llNow, another thing, don't invite me to sub," I said,
trbecause that means probably I'd have to entertain smetimei, and Irm
thmu@% with cards. I'm thulough with than." And I gave what cards I had
to than, and I haven't played cards f'rm that day on. When I make up
my mhd to do anything, I do it, you how. Because I was too involved
in helping h3m with the shop ad everythfng, and I d&dnlt have the
to be going around anymore. So S gave it up.
Q. How many of you were there?
A, There wwe two tables; we had two tables, see. Yes, sir. Two tables.
Q o You just played jn the clty or did you go out to. . . .
A. No, no. We'd just played in each other's homes, you know.
Q, Well, this Is what I man-in the cfty of Springfield?

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A. Yes, yes.
Q, And you had to entertain them smetwes?
A. Oh yes, Tfd always have big meals and everything. I always like to
cwk and 1 al.wafrs, . ... SmetSnes I had turkey for thm and dress-
and one thing and another, So T enjoy-that's what I enjoyed do-. Wnt
3: told tbem, I: saLd, "S)onft call on me to sub," and they didn't. Be-
cause I felt like Itd have to entertain sometime, and I was just through
wlth cards,
Q. Now, did you conthus to work in the beauty shop after you and Mr.
Day came back Dan Oregon.
A. Yes,
Q. So you worked in your shop and he worked In his.
A, 1111 show you. I had this-4er we got back fYm Po&land, we had
the back porch enlarged, and I had a bathman made on one side a d my
shop on the other,. I worked Fn that mom right there. I can show you
the pictures here. And so that he wouldn't have to go upstairs, be
cause he was crippled-he had this stroke, see-I sold my dining room
table and chairs and brought the bed down here to that room. Mmy a
night before he passed, oh, my, I'd sit on the side of the bed with hii-n
and he'd say, "Momry, I sure appreciate you sitting up here with me."
I'd say, tWell, what do you think?'' See, that's what I'm supposed to
do. Itd sit there on the side untis herd get easy, puUk the cover
over off the bed and twn hh+couldntt th himself good, you know-
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And that last night, he called me, He wanted to go to the hospital;
he made up hls mind, but the doctor sad, "You know that the flu
epldesnllc ' s here " And he knew hLs condLtLon, that he had asthm so bad,
see, And Jams heard me talldng, and he satd, "Well, If I: went, I
wouldntt last," He said, "1 wouldn't last wtth thTs a ~thm.~
So it wasnft but about ten days after that, at two o'clock in the morning
he called me, he said, uMormy,ll he says, llcall the ambulance; I'm dying.
r don! t know whether If11 llve mtf 1 I get to the hospital or not .tl
And 1 said, tlAll right, Honey, As soon as I can get sane clothes on,
Tfll, . . ." I did, & I called and they cane. They took him 5n to
emergency, and, sure enough, he had developed pneumonia. We got there at
thee ofclock or a little after that Sunday mombg, & at one o'clock
that Sumby he died. Passed, that quick,
Q. WtTs too bad. Now, you mentioned that you had some neighbors
whose name was Seitz, sane neighbors over there that you baby-sat for.
A, Seitz, Joseph and Rosa Seitz, ard they had five children-one -1,
I used to go over there and rock ad nurse than children. Well, youfd
call it baby-sit; I just-they didn't ask me, I just loved than and I
went over there. mght next door, you know. And she muld dress them
like the Irdians do, with a pillow and wrap them, you know. See, you know?
They'd put their arms right down, and be so-I guess that's ww they
were so straight and walked so straight, you know, least ways. . . .
And, we lived neighborly, here, for nearly fifty yeam an3 never had one
aylgunaent l No t-J
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A. He was German and she was Lit-. He just, I guess, just
did o rWmy work, He worked all the th; he was a good worker, you
know, And Ms son was named, I think, Joey Seitz; he just died here
about four months ago, He mked at the mansion with Liggins-for the
State, and he decorated and worked on televisions and thhgs like that,
you krm, Oh, he has another son that's a deputy sheriff out there;
he's Deputy Steve. And Tony, he's In the insurance business. And Wil-
ma Holvey-her husbard used to race out at the fairgrounds-she was
In real estate business, They was all-growed to be In business, you
know, far themselves,
Q, But you baby-sat for than smetLmes?
A. When I--yes. I lived right there, and they was all young aid rrmall.
And I just loved, well, I just loved children a d babies. My youngest
brother, I tried to make hlm a baby. (laughs) He wore-Mama let his hair
pow long, you know. See, how they used to let their hair grow long . . .
Q. Way back there?
A, Yes, yes. (laughter) And sheld make these Uttle Buster Brawn
suits, you know. Wlt when he was a baby, Daddy, in moving-he used
to haul people's flnrmiture, you know, a mover. And. he brought a go-
cart4 1Zttle baby cart-hme, and I'd tie Richard up in that baby
cart, He didn't want to be rolled around, but I just had to have scanethlng-
a doll or samething.
Well, you know they wasn't mddng dolls then much, bQ first llttle
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she worked for the State for years. She had the little china doll,
you know, a little, bltty doll. Of course, I was fortunate, as I say,
to have-Mr. Day had a son and then he had three children and they had
three @srandchIldren, one boy. So, I was a wonderful stepmother to them.
Q. Now, there's one question I wanted to ask you. When did you mve
over here to your present address, 1612 [East Reynolds Street]?
A. When we come back here in 1950. Ard, we bought this house from
people named Mihelsic. They let us--we brought our rurmiture fmn
Portland. Cost us nearly, I thhk it was over eight hundred dollars
or more to move this flu?niture this way. And they let us move-
gLve us a room,one room upsta3.r~ and the rest of the f'urniture down
in the basement, until they found a place suitable. I heard they went
out on the lake somewhere.
We stayed over there vdth Sister, oh, I guess for six or seven months
until we was able to get in over here. And then Mr. Day-we had Vreden-
bm&s to build our brick building down there, cement blocks on the
inside. Always thought that I'd make it for living quarters if I
needed to, see. I could have three or four rooms in there, bath.
you just haven't got ten around it up yet?
A. Well, 1'11 tell you, Reverend, James and I worked together. We
fixed our place up here, put a lot of money into this h m. He wanted
the porch built. Because ice would get on the porch ad it was hard
to get off, and he wanted this glassed-in f'ront porch, which cost
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I was working. So, we had this kitchen enlarged here. The windows
was way down, and that cost a lot of money to put these widows in
and our cabinets and all, don't you know. So the porch cost a lot;
the bathroom cost a lot-1111 show you before you leave--and well, I
just stood In that comer there and did hah- work. I had a big trade.
I helped h3m; I done all his clerical work because my husband only
had a third grade education. He could sign his name, but I had to do
all the rest, see. So that's the way we lived; we lived. He'd give
me all the money. I have to tell him, I said, ''Honey, don't go out
and estimate no f'urniture unless you have two or three dollars on
you," I said, %because smthing might happen to them and you couldn't
be able to get back ham. Always take some money with you." See, yes.
He trusted m, and I trusted him. I was faithf'ul to him, and he was
faithfhl to me. It was a beautiflzl miage. That's the way we lived--
happy, contented life. Well.
Q, You said you belonged to the church. Did you teach Sunday School
classes?
A. No, never.
sing in the choir like that ?
A. No, I be,J:onged to the Frogressive. When I was young we had a young
choir, see, not- but little kids. But, I come out as I grew older,
and 1 came out. But I did belong to the Progressive Club of the church
and I come out of that. So I'm just a pay- member. I do pay my dues
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I spend money on that broadcasting-I send in, see. I have my church;
I get the "Gospel Jubilee." No matter what I'm doing, I w ill lay down
in there and listen to this ttGospel Jubi1ee.l' I just love him. It
canes on at one o'clock on Saturdays. M I get church every Sunday
morning. church. Mr. Liggns [who] stays over here; he comes over
here for breakfast and stays all day on Sundays and every holiday. And
we listen to that together. This last Sunday we enjoyed your p~logam.
Q. Now, let me ask you this: Is there a partlcula~? reason why you chose
beauty culture as your vocation?
A. Well, I just always had thought that I would like to do hair, and
that give me a little contact with people, see. I never was a person
to go mch. I just love to do hair, do beauty work, rather. It wasn't
that I made such a big money at it, but I could do that and stay home
here and help with my husband's shop, there, in reaeivlng rwniture
and sending it out, you how.
Q. Now what was business like for you &ring the Depression? Did it
effect yow bushess? Did people have mney to get their hair done?
A. Yes, Yes. I didn't see much difference in the Depression.
Q. Were you ever involved in politics? I mean, c m t y
anything like that?
chairman or
A. Only just through the State, you bow. That's the only politics.
I worked for the State two different times. We had to go to--one time
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jobs under Democrats. Wlt I had voted Republican because Mr. Lains had
been workin@; for the State ever since, you might say, 1904 or something
like that, and they kept hh on. The Republicans, when theytd come in,
they'd keep him. And then I'm living there with him, and when time c m
to vote, Itd vote Republican because it was in his interest, you see.
Then when the Democrats cane in, why, Itd vote Democrat. Well, he
worked under Governor [Hemy] ~orner,'~ and LQgins went up there and
nursed Mm and cooked for him and Mted on him fn Winnetka all the
mle he was sick.
Q, But for you, in particular, you worked under Secretary Rose, did you?
A. No, I worked under Secretary Barrett, Edward Ehmett.
Q. Secretary Bamett, and Secretary Powell.
A. Paul Powell. Thatts where I got State job-under Secretavy Powell,
Paul Powell. He died, I think.
Q. So far as you as a person were concerned and the treatment you received
and so forth under these two persons, Secretary m t t
and Secretary
Pawell, could you ccanpare the treatment you received as one over against
the other? Did you get better treatment with, say, Mr. Powell than you
did with I&. Bamett or what?
A. Well, I worked longer under the Powell administration. I only
worked two years under Secretary Bmtt. I worked Aonger, 3 worked
four years ard eight mnths over in the new State tofflce] Bu1ldhg. They
?Kenry Homer, a Democrat, was governor &am January, 1933 to
October, 1940 when he died in office. Ed.

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all treated me lovely; I never had no trouble.
Q. That's good. What about hospitals? Have you ever encountered any . . .
A. No, they was all lovely, just so lovely to me in the hospital.
Qo None of your relatives have never encountered any prejudice or
anytlkhg with them?
A, No, no, no. I was always-they've all, all the nurses md all,
was so lovely to me. I was just, well, I don't like to brag onrnyself
at all, but everybody just loved and thought so much of me when I worked
at the State, the Centennial and the new State [Office] Building.
Q, Now when you worked at the Centennial aid the new State [Office]
Euildirg, did you close up your shop or you worked in your shop on
weekends or something like that?
A m Oh yes, I worked on weekends. I mean on Saturdays-I'd take a
few custcnzers on Saturday, day off. I didn't work on no Sunday. I
Worn& on Saturday.
I, well, I guess I just got a disposition that-I just love people and
everybd3T. - So, It 11 get along. P& neighbors are lovely to me. I
have a white neighbor-the Cooks, Mr. and Mrs. EaY.1 Cook-here tbat's
so lovely. Deacon [William] Gilbert lives next door to me on the east
sfde; they're lovely. Itm not a person to be go- into their homes
unless they're sick. We converse over the fence together, and I'll
call them and see how they are, and they call me. So, that's the w q ~
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Q. Now, do you have any pictures or any clippings that you want to
share with me?
A. Oh, thatts the reason why I was tryin@; to get this together to give
you. Here's a picture that I . . .
Q. Oh, this is a picture of you?
A. A picture of me. 1'11 put it in there. Youtll be swe and get
LQglnst picture back for me and that one, too?
Q. And you want this one back?
A. Yes. I guess you got-but you can take this, too. Well, you got
everytk*ing over there, anyhow. Miss Vivian Mottley, I taken sane of
LQgins' clippings and I thlnk a few of mine down there for her to. . . .
She taken sick, you know, so I haven't worried her to go get them.
It11 just wait until she's [better]. I called her father; she's at
hame, now, and I just told him to have her to call me when she's better.
Q. Now, is there anything that you can remember about your life and
liv9ng in Springfield that you my want to share?
A.
No, I think I've covered everything.
Q. What about the movies? We didn't talk about it. Did you go to
the movies much?
A. No. I went to one movik. That's when I met husband, ard my
siste~in-law had taken us. I mean, we went to a movie there on Sixth
and Washhgton there at the Orpheum, I think it was, you know. I never

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cared far movies. I never went. No, I never went anywhere.
I've been ham a lot of responsibility, I shared love with my
sister, and I adored them: I lived with them. They'd have bakeales over
there to the State, and I'd always bring a bag of food from the bake-
sales over at the State [OffLce ] EUlding. When I'd hit the door, I'd go
over there, sister would say, "Here canes Santa Claus, here cms
Santa Claus." I loved to do that, to make them happy.
Q. What about drugstow, for instance. Did you have any drugstore
in this neighborhood here?
A. Well, we had Rhinehart's on Fourteenth and Carpenter that we
traded with, but I trade with Flynn and Hippaxd PhaYmacy on Stevenson
Mve. I get my medicines f'rm them. They're lovely people.
Q. But in your younger days, did you get your medicbe f'rom Rhine-
hart?
A. RMnehartls, we did. Traded up there on Fourteenth & Carpenter.
They've been gone a long time.
Q. Oh, is that right? They don't have one in thfs neighborhood now?
A. No.
Q. As a girl, where did you go for playing? Did they have any pasks
around here, or, dld you do much playing?
A. No. (laughter) Only when 1 was at school; we played ball, you
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girls. They had a plank fence, but they taken that down, too. I
loved to play baseball when I was in school, for exercise. I was
considered one of the heavy hitters there, and Lottie Poston, she
was the next one. (laughter) Leonard and httie Poston here. She's
an old-timer here. (chuckles) Yes, that was the only enjoyment that
I-never had much enj oyment .
Q. I see. Evidently, when your mther &Led you were a young girl,
and you took on som of the responsibility?
A. Yes. P@ brother was a hod carrier and bricuayer, Frank. He wore
them old fleece underwear, and at that tlnve you only had a washboard
and a tin tub, and when you got a big NO. 3 tin tub, you was getting
somethhg at that time, see. No washers or electric appliances or
Wthfng. Just a board-washboard4 a tub and I used to have to
wash them old heavy fleece underwear. And I did that, kept house
for Papa and them boys, for three years. I broke my back down, then,
doing that heavy work like that.
Q. Did that affect your schoolbg any?
A. No, I kept go- to school, kept going to school. No, not until I
graduated fmm the eighth grade.
Q. Now, was Palmer School, at that the-did they have many black
children that went to Palmer?
A. Oh, we had-yes, they had several. I just don't know; I can't
remember just. . . . But we had quite a few up at this east end, you
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Ue they're doing now. We didn't do that. MY. McKinney, our principal,
wouldnlt stand for that. And our mothers upheld~him. Our mothers
told him if he needed to--the children didn't do right-well, he could
strap them, you know. And that's what he did! (laughter) I thought,
a..f%er all, that was pretty good because it kept them fhm fighting.
We never had no trouble like they're having now. That's too bad;
that's just too bad, but I don't know what. . . . As I say, and I w ill
say that I think it's a lot t; the parents' raising their children.
That's what I thMc. According to the way our mother raised us, we
wouldn't-why, we better not look back. You'd get slapped! And think
about talking back, oh w. No, that never happened.
Q. Well, what do you think the mothers and families have to do today
to bring about . . .
A. Well, I don't know. It looks like they've got out of hand, so,
I don't know. It looks like now that you can't even hardly chastise your
children; they fight you. It seems that way; I don't know what's
going--I don't know. It's a pitiful, trying situation. I hate it
sally bad because, as I say, I love children, and I hate to see
children get in bad like they're doing.
Q. Well, ft's just sanething we'll have to work with.
A. It's just something-I don't how.
Q. Is there anythirg else, for instance, you member about the
early days of Springfield? I mean was Lt much different from what it
is now? If so, In what way would you say that it's different?

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A. Well, rx7can all ~ cat~ons which you read about, there's a vast
difference f'mm what it was when I come up. As I say, we didn't have a11
this turmoil and camyFng on in the schools. And people, I don't know,
they look like they would give a more helping hand--I don't know. I don't
how. I guess its . . . I don't know.
I'QT mothe-I guess I'm on the type of my mother. My mother always
had her table set . And the mlniisters, then, they didn't get any saw
much, don't you know. And they was always welcome in my mother's
house to come. Whenever they'd dme and sit down and eat, she'd al-
ways have a marble cake made or sanething, you know. Awad she was very
g@neraus, her and Papa, Eke that. I gzless that's where I get mine
from.
Q, All right. Somebody told me tht sane time ago that there were coal
mhes in Sprhgfield. Have you ever heard of it, or seen anylof it, or
anything lLke that?
A, Well, theykad coal miners here. These here Lithuanians, I thbk
worked in the coal mines here. Tony Sockel, his father, here, our
third door neighbor. And the w m
on the comer, Mrs. Berzitls, I thhk
her husband worked Ln the mine. And we've got mines all urader here,
they w.
Q. That's what I've heard.
A, Yes, all d e r here is all mines, yes.
Q. But you have never seen-I mean they have built up Springfield by
the time you were born? By the time you were born, I mean when you were

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a little girl, but you never seen them worldng in any of the mines or
anything l*e that?
A. Well, the time I would see a miner is when he'd be coming h m
lm his dlfrty work clothes or something 1Lke that, you know.
Q. I'm talking about the mine Itself', You have never seen . . . 4
A. No, I ain't never seen no mlne. No, I haven t No. But, they tell
nae It's all hollow up underneath here.
Q. Well, I certainly want to thank you, Mrs. lky, for your cooperation
In this,
A. Well, that's all right, Reverend. (tape stopped and started again)
Q. Say, this picture, 1 see where you are actually at work. What
are you doing here?
A. I'm finger waving. That was the style then, finger waving.
Q. I see. Can you describe it? What is fwer waving?
A, Well, we have certaln stuff that we use to put on the hair, you
know. A d cambs and all, and after we get it set and then we put combs
in it and put it d er the dryer and let it dry, see.
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