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LEGISLATIVE dOURNALHOUSE Federal regulations, the people are moving out simply because there are no moneys available to take care of the abatement nrocess. So we feel with the lannuaec I June 8, lem than we have at the moment. I would suggest de- fications referred to in this act would cause a feat of this legislation. financial hardship on the owner, the local taxing The SI'EAKER. Thc Chair rccognizes the gentleman from Erie, Mr. DiCarlo. Mr. DiCARLO. Mr. Speaker, just one final point in talking abolut the abatement problem and talkin: ahout the problem that Mr. McClatchy just brought up. authority shall cause to be issued a real estate credit in the amount of the expenditures made by the owner, however, such credit shall not exceed the actual amount of the tau. Mr. Speaker, my question is, what is this going to cost the state or the local municipality? One of the reasons that we feel that House hill No. 9 Mr. WOJDAK. Mr. Speaker, concerning the fiscal note should be supported is becnuse we are dealing with that that we have done on this for the administration, that very same problem. We are giving an avenue to thosQ ?4r. MeClatchy referred to earlier, in ordcr to determine people of lower income who may own the houses or may thc cost that he is referring to, we nred an actual invenwant to buy the houses. We know that in the abatement tory of what homes are involved. There is just no way process, if they cannot afford to remove the lead paint. of our detcrmining that at this point. And T really if they are lower income people, that burdrn will be \~-ould not be in a position to give ynn a cost factor or a picked up by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. fiscal note on that aspect until the program is in opera- Presently, under the Philadelphia program and with thp tion and we see what kind of invent,ory of homcs we are talking aho~lt.~ that we have in House bill No. 9, those peaplc who are indeed landlords and those people who can indeed take care of that health hazard should be mandated to take care of the health hazard, and for those peoplc who cannot afford to do it because of their econom:~ circum- stances, we will he aiding in helping them to make sure that that health hazard indeed is removed. MOTION TO RECOMMIT Mr. McCLATCHY. Mr. Spealzer, I would suggcst that thrre is a possibility for inventory of at least the number of homes in Philadelphia that present this problem. Lead paint ahatement is no new problem in Philarlelphia, and I think essentially we could find out, as an exar.ple, what it would cost Philadelphia to pay for this program. Mr. Speaker, this was the question I brought up in committee and this is the question I was concernzd about. The SPEAKER. The Chair recognizes the gentleman and this i5 the q,lestion how much fundlng we will from Montgomery, Mr. McClatchy. need to pay for this prozram. Therefore, since Mr. Woj- Mr. McCLATCHY. Mr. Speaker, I hate to he repetitive, dak feels he does not have the necessary figures. I feel but the main point I am trying to make is that J think that we can rret the necessarv -" figures thrnl~eh .A ~.~~ dilivent ~ Mr. DiCarlo is wrong. On page 13, between lines 15 and I staff work and diligent hearings and I move to recommit House hill No. 9 tothe committee of Health and Welfare. 22, wr talk about giving tax credits to residents who have to take care of thk ahatement. My quesdion to yon, Mr. Spealrer, is: ~f this is a mrthod of paying for ahatement, should we not then have a fiscal note on this? ~f this is the method by which we are going to pay for those people who cannot afford to pay The SPEAKER. The Chair recognizes the qcntleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Wojdak. Mr. WOJDAK. Mr. Speaker, I would disagree with thr gentleman. I do not believe it is necesyary for a fiscal for abatement, should not there be a fiscal on this note on that aspect of this bill. I do not think it would matter? The fiscal note ~lrfady contained in the hill, ~ r b' . ix!ssihle for us to prepare it without actually going to Speaker, is only for ad~ninistration. ~t has nothing to do Ph'iadnlphia and counting the actual homes, and I do not with the abatement nor docs it have anything to do see the necessity and until the program is implemented. paying lor the local tax credit. there would be no way of our doing that. ~~ ~ The SPEAKER. Is the centle?lan posing an inquiry? 0, t,h,. ijuestion, Mr. McCLATCHY. Yes; I am. Will the Ho~ise agree to the motion? The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman address the inquiry tn the chairman of the -4ppropriations Committee? Is the chairman of the Appropriations Committee avail- ahle? Will the gentleman, Mr. Wojdak, respond? The SPEAKER. The Chair recognizes the g?nl.leman from Montgomery, Mr. McClatchy. Mr. McCLATCHY. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman, Mr. Wojdak, consent to interrogation? The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman. Mr. Wojdnk. consent to interrogation? Mr. WOJDAK. Yes, Mr. S~eaker The SPEAKER. The gentleman will proceed. Mr. McCLATCHY. Mr. Speaker, my question on the lead paint poisoning bill or abatement bill refers to page 13, lines 15 to 22, and it reads: In cases where the owner of any premises is required to remove or cover materials in ac- cordance with this act, and the cost of removal or covering such material according to the speci- The y ~as and nays were required by Messrs. McCLAT- CIlY and WOJDAK and were as follours: Anderson. I. H. AM- Berm Bittle Bradley Rrandt llutera Cessar Cimin! Crawford Devel'teT Dletz Dininn1 Dorr Drelb-lbla Faweett Fischer 1 Flsllcr Foster. A. roster. W. Freind Fryer Gallen Geesey Grieco Gring Halverson Hamilton. J. R. Hasay Harkell IIaYes. D. 5. Uayes. S. E. Hwford Hill IIutchinson, W. Katz Kelly. J. B. Kistler Klineamsn Knemer Kusse 1,ederer YEAS-88 Lev1 Lynch Manmiller Meclatrhy MCC~IP MeGlnnis lM~bllS Moehlmann O'Connell O'Donnell Pancoast Parker. H. S Perri PItt.5 Polite Pyles Renninger Rvan Sslvatore Schcaffrr seltur Shuman Sinannl Smith. E. Smlth. L. spencer Stah1 Taddonto Thomas Turner u*oskl V100" Wagner Weldner Westerberg Whelan Wilt. R. W. W!lt. W. W. Wonilow Yobn Zearfw 7aUer Zord
Abraham Barber Bellormnl Bennett Berlln Berson Bonetto B-er BUTm Caputo Cianciulli Cohen Cole Cowell DeMedio DeWcese Dicarlo DiDonato Dombromki Doyle Dumas Eckensbuger Englehart Pee Flahertg Gallagher Garda Wer p~-~~ NAYS-107 George Menhorn Giammarm Milanovich GillesBle Miller, M. E. Gillette Miller, M. E., Jr. Gleeson Milliron Guodrnan Miscevich Green Morris Greenfield Mrkonic Hopkins Hutehi~on. A. Irvln Itkin Johnson. J. Kelly. A. P. Kerniclr Kolter ~owalyshyn LaMarca Mullen. M. P. Must0 Myers Novak Noye O'Brien O'Keefe Oliver Perry PetraFPB Laudadlo Plevsky Laughm Letterman Prstt Prendergast Llneoln Logue Mandefino McCBU Karenstahl Reed Renwiek Richardsorr McIntyre Rieger MeLane mtter NOT VOTING-8 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE meman, Speake Gleason McGrsw Rappaport Wabh. T. P. Hammock Mullen Rhode~ Yahner So the question was determined in the negativc anc' the motion was not agreed to. On the question recurring, Shall the bill pass finally? The SPEAKER. The Chair recognizes the lady from Chester, Mrs. Crawford. Mrs. CRAWFORD. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak to Mr. O'Donnell's question to Mr. DiCarlo. I disagree with Mr. DiCarlo's answer, and if Mr. O'Donnell would look at page 13 of the bill, section (f), where it says: The owner of any premises in which there is any paint which contains dangerous levels of lead, or other toxic heavy metal, as defined in this act, shall cause said inaterials to be removed or covered according to the Philadelphia Department of Public Health Specifications For The Removal of Lead Paint and Safety Standards For Removal of Lead Paint. And it goes on to say that any premises that has this is de,clared to be a nuisance. Then, on page 10, we have a section on penalties which says: Any person who violates any provision of this act or anv rule of regulation or order of the Department of Health or the Department of En- vironmental Resources promulgated or issued pursuant to this act shall be guilty of a summary offense. In my mind, this means that even though the bill is not really specific about the sale of premises with lcad paint in thcm-and I am thinking about old farmhouses; I am thinking about people who go down to Philadel- phia and want to buy homes and so forth that are con- sidered historic. What this bill says here is not really clear-it csuld or could not prohihit the sale of a house with this condition. However, the Department of En- / So I think, if Mr. O'Donnell is a lawyer, he probably *."- *-..- I can be a little more specific than I was. I am not a Ruggiero lawyer, but this is the way I interpret this certain secsa1wrn Srhmltt tion. - .~~~~ ~ ~ Schweder scirica / The SPEAKER. The Chair recognizes the lady from Shane Philadelphia, Mrs. Kelly. Shelhalner Sheltoll Mrs. KELLY. Mr. Speaker, we are doing so much Shupnlk concentrating on houses and properties that we are SUlpleton stout forgetting our children. Taylor I have a letter before me dated March 26, 1976, from Toll Trello the Pennsylvania Association of Retarded Citizens. Vhlleenti Mr. Speaker, before I go on with my letter, I would WQNBCZ like to bring to the attention of the members of this House the terrible trauma of retarded children. Over w~lliams the weekend I was a guest at one of these facilities, and Wilson Wo3dnk it breaks your heart to see these children who need Wright help and we seem to bypass them with a lot of silly Zwfkl comments from some of the members, in due respect to their intelligence. I will not read the entire letter, but on the second page it says: In 1972 Senator Richard Schweiker of Penn- syivania advocated an increase in the budget of the U. S. Government seven times the amount that was being spent at that time lor research, prevention and treatment programs. Numerous other congressmen testilled in behalf of that program indicating that lead poisoning is primarily a disease of poor, The Pennsylvania Bulletin, Volume 1, No. 77, Saturday, December 4, 1071 made lead poisoning a reportable disease in the Department of Health. The quote from the Pennsylvania Rulle- tin is as follows: "Thu purpose of the amend- - - ments is to make lead poisoning a reportable disease and provide information upon which to de- velop programs for the control of this important cause of mental and . uhvsical . defects in children . . ." The interest of the Pennsylvania Association for Retarded Citizens in I-lousc bill 9-Lead Poisoning, is that while the mortality rate for those childrcn so afflicted is high, the morbidity or the survival outlook for those who do live is very grim. Lead pnisoning causes nut only mental retardation, but also rerehrai palsy, convulsive seizures, blindness; optic atrophy, kidney diseases and multiple handicaps. So I will not go on to read the rest of it, but please let us remcmber our children. I ask all of you for an affirmative vote on this very, vcry important piece of legislation, Thank you very kindly. The SPEAKER. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Berlrs, Mr. Stahl. Mr. STAHL. Last w~ek NIr. DiCarlo accused this speaker of misleading the members of the House. I believe the shoe is on the othcr foot. We talked about the poor people, senior citizens, being able to afford removal of paint. Over the weekend I got a communication from some people who would vironmentai Resources or the Department of Health could !mow about this problem. Fifteen-hundred dollars is the promulgate such rules and regulations. This is what we 1 estimatrd cost of lead paint removal by the Pennsylvania are giving them the power to do. l~ealtors Association. I checked this figure out with
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