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legislation on this track. Why do you feel that confident? Even if it were legislation backed by Swift, Tauke, Tauzin, Dingell, all these key players? 1 think you have to understand that Swift, Tauke, Tauzin and others are people who actually want less as a unit than has been offered already. Swift? Excepting Swift. And Dingell? Dingell wants a public interest standard. He's not going to give you everything. Now that's a statement and not a question. We're not asking for everything. It's a very narrowly focused piece of legislation. Friend in high place r 'ts with presidential counselor Edwin Meese Well, on a very narrow answer, that you can absolutely kill any piece of legislation -I still don't understand what gives you that confi- dence. Discussion with members of Congress who are in very important positions. You see, Tauke and Tauzin say that if the bill's not right, we'll not support it -it's just that simple. They are not going to let a bill go through the subcommittee and committee that is not favorable to the industry. And look at it this way: We have never lost a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives. The process is to go to the subcommittee first. If it's not good and we can't change it in full committee, then the next step would be the full House of Representatives, and then the next step would be a conference with Senator Bob Pack- wood [R- Ore.]. I count three safety nets in that. That's natural whenever you initiate legislation. There is some degree of risk involved, and I think anybody will tell you that when you initiate legislation, there is always some degree of risk involved in it. And I think we're beyond that point of risk. What are you going to do about such key issues as EEO and children's television? While on the one hand members of Congress may be saying that NAB is not flexible in these areas, on the other hand, we have shown a great deal of creativity in offering some proposals to Congressman [Mickey] Leland [D -Tex.] and Congresswoman [Cardiss] Collins [D -Ill.] about some areas that would address their concerns. Number one, we certainly are willing and ready and have already backed Congressman Leland's bill on tax certificates and increasing minority ownership. It's a part of the NAB plan to increase minority ownership, and we've funded BROADCAP for that very purpose. AT LARGE Broadcasting Oct 31 1983 48 It's being done through private funds of this industry, and that's unprecedented, I think, among other industries. My impression from the Collins and Leland hearings is that they felt ownership won't be enough. Well, all of us have our posturing positions. And when it comes down to the point, let's face it: If there's not a bill, there will be nothing for Leland, there will be nothing for Collins, and there will be nothing for the NAB. If there is a bill, it could be that all of us might be willing to take a slice. How about children's television? Children's TV is also being addressed. What sort of problem does it present for you when the Television Operators Caucus (1) is formed and (2) comes to town to declare that it doesn't want deregulation, and so advises the Hill -these presum- ably being the largest and most important television owners in the business? One of the things with the Television Operators Caucus that I don't think has come across yet -it's been stated, but it hasn't really been the focus of all of the publicity that surrounded their formation -is the fact that they do not want to do anything to deter the efforts of NAB. As a matter of fact, there are only a couple of issues on which NAB and TOC do not agree. One of the things is financial interest and syndication. NAB has no position on that, and we are neutral. The other is the prime time access rule. Beyond that, we don't have conflicts. TOC has taken positions on two issues -financial interest and the 7 -7 -7 rule. Its prime thrust is not deregulation. That may be TOC's prime thrust, but they have told Wirth that they don't want deregulation, that they're not interested in it -and that's taking a position, when they tell him that. There are those within the caucus who would like very much to see the elimination of comparative renewals. And they have privately stated that to us. There is one spokesman for the caucus, by mutual agreement by the caucus, and that is David Henderson [of Outlet Broadcasting]. I think when we get a total package put together, and we look at what's doable and what is not doable, at that time we will talk to the caucus and see what their feeling is. We have some private indica- tions that there might be some interest in those areas. Do you feel there is a growing confusion about who represents the industry in Washington? We've had the long- standing rift between NAB and NRBA, the National Radio Broadcasters Association, and now we have television splintering off in a sense, through the Televi- sion Operators Caucus. Does this confuse the issue, and does each of these splintering -offs make NAB that much less powerful? I take exception to your phrase "splintering off" because the Televi- sion Operators Caucus is not splintered off; they have agreed to work with NAB. And I think you need to realize that every one of those companies is represented on our committee structure. Every one of those companies, if not personally, then through some of their top executives, is working with and for NAB in the vineyards. Now, they have issues that go beyond where NAB can take a position, and those issues are the issues that they tend to address. At least, that's what they tell me. Then your suggestion is that just two issues caused the formation of TOC? In large part. That, plus relationships with the networks. I would like to get an expression from you -if not of dismay that the industry is so fragmented in how it presents itself in Washington, then perhaps of what it might do to get itself out of this. Or how there might be more cooperation, and eventually how there might be a rapprochement between NAB and NRBA. We have approached the NRBA with open arms, although 1 have not
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