Traffic Committee Minutes - 8 February 2013 - North Sydney Council

ATTACHMENT TO NoRM02 - 18/03/13 Page 1 

DECISION OF 3620 th COUNCIL MEETING 

HELD ON 4 MARCH 2013 

91. EPS03: Traffic Committee Minutes - 8 February 2013 

4. (4.5) West Street No Right Turn into Holtermann Street 

Report of Traffic Planning Assistant, Maria Coyne and Traffic Engineer, Michaela 

Kemp, 16 January 2013 

At the Traffic Committee meeting on 3 February 2012 it was resolved: 

THAT Council install “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” signage on West St into 

Holtermann Street for a trial period of six months and the matter be reviewed in six 

months time. 

The “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” signs were installed on 16 July 2012. 

Before the signs were installed a notification letter was sent out to the residents in the 

surrounding area advising them of the changed traffic conditions. 

A feedback link was also set up on council’s web page to allow the community to 

provide Council with their views on the trial “No Right Turn” restriction. At the time 

of writing this report Council had received 77 submissions on this trial. 

Traffic counts in the impacted streets were obtained prior to the “No Right Turn 6am- 

10am Mon-Fri” signs being installed and during the trial period in order to determine 

the effectiveness of the restriction. 

Recommending: 

1. THAT Council remove the “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” signage on West 

St into Holtermann Street as soon as possible. 

2. THAT Council advertise the removal of the signage in the Mosman Daily and 

Council’s website. 

3. THAT Council advise Holtermann Precinct of its decision. 

M. Vandervaere, B. Williams addressed the Committee. 

Resolved to recommend: 

1. THAT Council remove the “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” signage on West 

Street into Holtermann Street, Crows Nest as soon as possible. 

2. THAT Council advertise the removal of the signage on West Street into 

Holtermann Street, Crows Nest in the Mosman Daily and Council’s website. 

3. THAT Council advise Holtermann Precinct of its decision to remove the signage 

on West Street into Holtermann Street, Crows Nest 

4. THAT Council’s EPS Department continue to monitor the traffic situation in 

Holtermann Street. 

Council, the Police, the RMS and the two MP respresentatives voted for the 

recommendation. Councillor Reymond did not support the recommendation.


Item 4.5 - Traffic - 8 February 2013 

N O R T H S Y D N E Y C O U N C I L 

To the General Manager 

Attach 1. Previous Report (Results of Community Consultation) 

2. Previous Report (Request to Roads & Maritime Services) 

3. Approval from Roads & Maritime Services 

4. Previous Report (Traffic Committee Approval) 

SUBJECT: 

(4.5) West Street No Right Turn into Holtermann Street 

AUTHOR: 

Report of Traffic Planning Assistant, Maria Coyne and Traffic Engineer, 

Michaela Kemp, 16 January 2013 

DESCRIPTION/SUBJECT MATTER: 

At the Traffic Committee meeting on 3 February 2012 it was resolved: 

THAT Council install “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” signage on West St into 

Holtermann Street for a trial period of six months and the matter be reviewed in six 

months time. 

The “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” signs were installed on 16 July 2012. Before the 

signs were installed a notification letter was sent out to the residents in the surrounding area 

advising them of the changed traffic conditions. 

A feedback link was also set up on council’s web page to allow the community to provide 

Council with their views on the trial “No Right Turn” restriction. At the time of writing this 

report Council had received 77 submissions on this trial. 

Traffic counts in the impacted streets were obtained prior to the “No Right Turn 6am-10am 

Mon-Fri” signs being installed and during the trial period in order to determine the 

effectiveness of the restriction. 

RECOMMENDATION: 

1. THAT Council remove the “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” signage on West St into 

Holtermann Street as soon as possible. 

2. THAT Council advertise the removal of the signage in the Mosman Daily and Council’s 

website. 

3. THAT Council advise Holtermann Precinct of its decision.

Report of Traffic Planning Assistant, Maria Coyne and Traffic Engineer, Michaela Kemp, 16 

January 2013 

Re: West Street No Right Turn into Holtermann Street 

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DETAIL 

Standard or Guideline Used: AS1742.2 

Signs & Lines Priority: N/A 

Precinct and Ward: Holtermann, Wollstonecraft 

Impact on Bicycles: The current “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” restriction also 

applies to cyclists, which pushes them to turn right at the traffic signals at Ernest St, which 

may create a safety issue. 

Impact on Pedestrians: Conflicts between vehicles and pedestrians due to increased vehicle 

volumes in Ernest Lane where there is no footpath for pedestrians has been raised as a safety 

issue. 

On 3 February 2012 the Traffic Committee approved the installation of a “No Right Turn 

6am-10am Mon-Fri” sign on West St into Holtermann for a period of six months and that the 

matter be reviewed in six months time. 

The signs were installed on 16 July 2012 and the trial finished on 16 January 2013. 

As part of the trial a notification letter was sent out to the residents in the surrounding area 

advising them of the changed traffic conditions. A feedback link was also set up on 

Council’s web site to allow the community to provide Council with their views on the trial 

“No Right Turn”. We have received 77 submissions on this trial, the majority from residents 

who live in the North Sydney Council area and who were against the signs. 

Traffic counts in the impacted streets were obtained prior to the No Right Turn 6am-10am 

Mon-Fri signs being installed and during the trial period to determine the effectiveness of the 

restriction. 

The results of the traffic counts and the feedback are detailed below. 

Enforcement 

NSW Police carried out enforcement of the “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” restriction 

during the trial period. A total of 218 traffic infringement notices was issued over 19 days 

between 4 September 2012 and 23 November 2012 for “disobey no right turn sign”. 

Traffic Impact Assessment 


Traffic counts in the impacted streets were obtained prior to the No Right Turn 6am-10am 

Mon-Fri restriction being installed and during the trial period. The results are summarised in 

the table below.





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No. Vehicles 6am-10am Mon-Fri 

Seven Day ADT 

85th Percentile 

Speed (km/h) 

Nov 

2010* 

Before 

Trial 

Nov 

2012 

During 

Trial 

% 

Change 

Nov 

2010* 

Before 

Trial 

Nov 

2012 

During 

Trial 

% 

Change 

Nov 

2010* 

Before 

Trial 

Nov 

2012 

During 

Trial 

Street Direction 

Change 

Change 

Holtermann 

Street West 718 502 -216 -30% 1967 1878 -89 -5% 48 48 

East 276 275 -1 0% 1520 1440 -80 -5% 48 48 

Both 994 777 -217 -22% 3486 3318 -168 -5% 48 48 

Ernest 

Lane West 5 95 90 1800% 30 105 75 250% 31 35 

*(prior counts East 11 7 -4 -36% 26 25 -1 -4% 32 30 

undertaken 

June 2012) Both 16 102 86 538% 56 130 74 132% 32 34 

Ernest 

Street West 2170 2308 138 6% 8042 7791 -251 -3% 52 50 

East 1111 981 -130 -12% 4797 4250 -547 -11% 56 55 

Both 3281 3289 8 0% 12839 12042 -797 -6% 54 53 

Burlington 

Lane West 17 11 -6 -35% 55 55 0 0% 32 30 

*(prior counts East 21 21 0 0% 52 60 8 15% 35 31 

undertaken 

June 2012) Both 38 32 -6 -16% 107 115 8 7% 33 30 

Burlington 

Street West 237 431 194 82% 1130 1428 298 26% 44 45 

East 430 231 -199 -46% 1356 1195 -161 -14% 47 45 

Both 667 662 -5 -1% 2485 2623 138 6% 46 45 

Table 1: Traffic counts undertaken for the ‘No Right Turn’ trial 

Holtermann Street experienced a reduction of 217 vehicles during the AM peak and an 

overall reduction of 168 vehicles per day during the trial. 

Ernest Lane (+90) and Ernest Street (+138) experienced increases in west-bound traffic 

volume during the AM peak. Ernest Street (-797) experienced an overall decrease in daily 

traffic volumes whilst Ernest Lane (+74) experienced a significant increase in daily traffic 

volumes, more than double those observed prior to the No Right Turn restriction, although 

still well below the environmental goal for local access ways of 100 vehicles per hour. 

It is clear that a large proportion of displaced Holtermann Street vehicles are using Ernest 

Lane to travel west during the AM peak. This is not a desirable outcome given the restricted 

width of Ernest Lane. 

Burlington Street appears to have a significant increase in westbound traffic and a similar 

decrease in eastbound traffic, whilst the total vehicle volume has generally remained 

unchanged. There have been no notable changes to the traffic conditions to explain such a 

deviation in the eastbound traffic so it is assumed that the east and west data for one of the 

reports were accidentally switched around. Therefore it is assumed that Burlington Street has 

experienced negligible impact since the No Right Turn restriction was installed. 

Therefore, whilst the “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” restriction has resulted in a 

reduction in vehicle volumes in Holtermann Street during the AM peak, the displaced traffic 

has not been dispersed to Ernest Street and Burlington Street as anticipated. The majority of




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vehicles are using Ernest Street and Ernest Lane to travel westbound which has the potential 

to impact on amenity in those streets, particularly due to the restricted width of Ernest Lane 

and impacts on the traffic signals at Ernest Street and West Street, due to an increase in the 

number of right-turning vehicles at the signalised intersection. 

Community Feedback Results 


Works in 

Crows Nest/ 

St Leonards Resident Surburb/Street Enforcement 

In 

favour Against Fined 

1 Yes 

Holtermann St, Crows 

Nest Yes Yes 

2 

Yes ‐220 

West Northbridge Yes 

3 

Yes St 

Leonards Yes 

Cambridge St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

4 Yes West St. Cammeray Yes 


6 Yes Unknown Yes 


7 Yes Nest Yes Yes 

8 Yes Yes Miller St, Cammeray Yes 

9 yes Yes West St. Cammeray Yes 

10 Yes 

Rosalind St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

Lambert St, 

11 Yes Cammeray 

Yes 

Cowdroy Ave, 

12 Yes Yes Cammeray 

Yes 

13 Yes Yes 

Lumsden st, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

14 Yes Yes Edwin St, Cammeray Yes 

15 yes Yes Edwin St, Cammeray Yes 

16 Yes 

Metcalfe St 

Cammeray 

Yes 

17 Yes 

Rosalind St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 


19 Yes 

Huntington St, Crows 

Nest 

Yes 


21 Yes 

Warwick Ave, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

22 Yes Yes 

Warwick Ave, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

23 Yes Yes 

Warwick Ave, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

24 Yes Yes 

Rosalind St, 

Cammeray 

Yes





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Works in 

Crows Nest/ 


Rosalind St, 


In 


Yes 

26 Yes Ernest St, Crows Nest Yes 



Chandos St, Crows 

28 Yes Nest 

Yes 

29 Yes 

Chandos St, Crows 

Nest 

Yes 

30 Yes Yes 

Rosalind St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

Finlayson St, Lane 

31 

Cove 

Yes 

32 Willoughby Yes 

33 Yes Yes 

Amherst St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

34 Yes Ernest St, Cammeray Yes 



36 Martin St, Naremburn Yes 


38 

Kyngdon St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 



Atchison St. Crows 

40 Yes Nest 

Yes 

41 Yes 


Nest 

Yes 

42 Yes 


Nest 

Yes 

43 Yes 


Nest 

Yes 

44 Yes 


Nest 

Yes 



47 Yes Unknown Yes Yes 


49 Yes Yes Unknown Yes 


51 Yes 

Rosalind St, 

Cammeray 


52 Yes Nest 


Yes 

Yes





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Works in 

Crows Nest/ 


In 


54 Yes Freden Av, Cammeray Yes 

55 Yes Clontarf St, Seaforth Yes 

56 Yes Freden Av, Cammeray Yes 

57 Yes Yes Miller St, Cammeray Yes 

58 McLeod St, Mosman Yes 


60 Yes Carter St. Cammeray Yes 


61 Yes Nest 

Yes 

62 Market St, Naremburn Yes 

63 Yes 

Cammeray Rd, 

Cammeray Yes Yes 

64 Martin St, Naremburn Yes 

65 Berry Rd, St Leonards Yes 

66 Parkes St Naremburn Yes 

67 

Artarmon Rd, 

Willoughby 

Yes 

68 Yes 

Rosalind St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

69 Yes Yes West St. Cammeray Yes Yes 

70 Yes Ernest St, Crows Nest Yes 

Rosalind St, 


Yes 

72 Yes Falcon St, Crows Nest Yes 



Rosalind St, 


Yes 

75 Yes Yes 

Rosalind St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 


77 Yes 

Rosalind St, 

Cammeray 

Yes 

Total* 21 62 9 8 66 5 

*Three respondents only provided comments on the proposal without indicating whether they 

were in favour or against the proposal. 

Of the respondents who provided feedback during the trial period, 10% were in favour of the 

No Right Turn restriction and 85% were against the restriction. Of those against the 

restriction, 78% are residents of North Sydney Council.




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Community Feedback Comments 


Respondents In Favour of Retaining No Right Turn during AM peak from West St into 

Holtermann St 

While we are fully supportive of the new “No Right Turn 6am-10am” restriction on 

Holtermann, no one, and I mean NO ONE, is adhering to the new restriction. In the 

30 seconds or so I that I could see the intersection in my walk to work today I saw no 

fewer than 8 cars make the turn. My wife and neighbour had the same experience 

yesterday. For it to be effective, and for us to gauge the usefulness in the six month 

trial, it needs strong enforcement for a period of time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The restriction is a six month trial but unless enforcement begins soon it will be 

pointless. This week I have observed no fewer than six cars in three minutes each day 

making what is now an illegal turn. Whether it's through lack of concern or because 

the sign is too high, that figure extrapolated out is over 500 cars per day! And that's at 

the relatively low volume time of 7:30am. What is the council going to do about 

enforcement during this trial? 

This is fantastic as a resident it makes our street safer, so many people are flaunting 

the rule and turning right though - please ask North Sydney police to monitor this! 

Council recently installed a trial no‐right turn sign from West Street into Holtermann 

Street that operates from 6‐10am (thankyou). Unfortunately a small proportion of 

traffic is now using Ernest Lane as an alternative route. They are overtaking 

stationary traffic in West Street in order to make the right turn in an unsafe manner, 

and they are travelling at unsafe speeds in a single lane lane‐way where the garages 

have limited visibility of oncoming cars. In addition, Council services (garbage, 

recycling etc) may travel in the opposite direction in the same general time period on 

some days. Would it be possible to install a no‐right turn sign in West Street to 

protect Ernest Lane for the same trial period as for Holtermann Street? Otherwise I 

think there will be an accident. 

Thank you for arranging the police to be in our street yesterday. They pulled over and 

booked only about 1% of the drivers ignoring the No Right Turn. This was due to the 

sheer numbers doing this and the limited resources they had. This still leaves the 

majority of drivers oblivious of the No Right Turn. I was wondering if the police 

could redirect all the drivers they are unable to book back down Thomas Lane and 

simply advising them that they will be booked next time if they continue to ignore 

the sign. I think this will then make many more drivers aware of the No Right Turn 

which is what we are really trying to achieve. Also residents are reporting that many 

drivers are now using Ernest Lane as their new rat run (in blue below); not 

unexpected so a another No Right Turn will be needed there in the future. 

I think it's been brilliant having the no right turn restriction in place on weekday 

mornings and I hope that Council decides to make it permanent. It has definitely 

prevented traffic blockages on West St of people queuing behind cars wanting to turn 

right into Holtermann St. 

I would like this rule to be made permanent. As a resident of 10 yrs in the area 

without a car I travel on foot power everywhere. I find that cars swinging into & out





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of West St & Holtermann St have very little respect for pedestrians. I care for my 

very young grandchildren who live in Ernest St, walking home from Cammeray 

School from 4pm daily is often life threatening due to the speed of traffic turning at 

this T intersection. 

Respondents Against Retaining No Right Turn during AM peak from West St into 

Holtermann St 

I wish to complain about the recent ‘no right turn’ for southbound traffic on West 

Street that turns into Holtermann Street. I acknowledge that this is a trial no right 

turn and that we have the right to make suggestions, hence this e-mail. My usual 

traffic route is to take Alpha Road, take the ramp, turn right onto West Street and 

then turn right again to get to my workplace which is on the corner of West Street 

and Holtermann (the not-for-profit organisation Rising Generations). We have our 

own car park at the back of our office. It is a terrible inconvenience to not be able to 

turn right onto Holtermann Street, the street I work on. The street prior to 

Holtermann is Huntington and this is a one way only street, so I cannot turn there, 

and with a no right hand turn at Ernest Street also, I am adding a solid 5-8minutes 

more to have to get to my work place and this is a huge inconvenience. May I please 

propose that the no right hand turn for southbound traffic on West Street into 

Holtermann Street please be taken down as it causes a terrible inconvenience not only 

to myself but my 11 other colleagues that also use this road to get to our workplace. 

 

The No right turn sign at the corner of Holtermann St is causing a problem for access 

to St Leonards. I am against Council's suggestion to trial the no right turn sign 

especially during the mornings. There are so many no right turns along West St, that 

it is becoming almost impossible to access Crows nest or St Leonard's in the 

mornings. 

 

 

The No Right Turn on this street causes congestion on the West St/Ernest St 

intersection. I have seen this daily recently on my walk to my North Sydney offices 

from home. The right turn that used to exist at Holtermann St did not cause disruption 

to traffic in the morning and the only advantage from the change falls to Holtermann St 

residents by way of lower traffic volume. This is not reasonable or fair, as it places 

undue stress on other residents and users of West St and Ernest St. Holtermann St 

already has speed humps – there should be no further impediments to allowing traffic 

on Holtermann St in the morning. Please remove this No Right Turn sign. 

I am disappointed at the decision to put a no right turn sign at Holtermann st in 

Crows Nest. Please accept this email as negative feedback for the purposes of the 

trial period. There is already a lack of west bound streets into the crows nest area, and 

this addition will exacerbate the problem. 

 

I believe it would be the wrong decision to make this a permanent arrangement as it 

adds to congestion at the corner of West Street and Ernest Street and either requires a 

driver trying to get to Chandos Street or any of the streets parallel to Chandos either 

to turn right again at the next traffic light or to turn right into to the laneway that runs 

between Ernest and Holtermann, which is hardly appropriate for anything more than 

light traffic. As there is little or no congestion in Holtermann Street or at the 

roundabout at the end of it, it is difficult to understand what the purpose of banning 

right hand turns might be. It’s not a particularly narrow street and doesn’t have a





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school or other vulnerable facility on it and it has commercial businesses present (in 

other words it’s not a residential‐only street). While I’m sure that those who do live 

on it would prefer it be quieter, it’s always been a moderately busy street; it’s not a 

laneway that people are taking a short cut through, it’s a road that has always been 

used to connect two other principal streets. Further, I would like to complain about 

the form of ‘consultation’ being carried out. The signs that say that there will be a 

consultation period are tiny. I only realised what they were when I deliberately 

stopped to read them. The print is tiny, and too small to read from a car. In other 

words, no driver who didn’t stop to read the signs would ever know that council is 

seeking feedback. This is clearly not genuine consultation; it would appear more that 

Council has already made up its mind Finally, if council does decide to persist with 

its decision, an exception should at least be made for bicycles. To force bicycle riders 

to turn right at Ernest street – a very busy road – and share the route with heavy 

traffic when a quieter safe route is available with no impact on any other user or 

resident is, frankly, stupid and counter to other initiatives to improve bike safety. 

 

 

 

 

I am writing to voice my opinion regarding the New “No Right Turn” at Holtermann 

St from West St Cammeray. I use this right hand turn twice a week to go to work at 

St Leonards. I travel along this street around 7am and at that time there is very little 

or no traffic coming in the opposite direction so I do not hold any traffic up behind 

me when I make that right hand turn. However if I have to travel onto the lights at 

Ernest St to turn right this holds me up for a considerable amount of time as there is 

no green arrow at that intersection and you have to either wait for a couple of change 

of lights or run an orange light taking the risk of causing an accident. I want to state 

that I am not in favour of keeping the No right Turn at Holtermann Street. This has 

no benefit to anyone. You have already taken the ”Turn Left at anytime with care”, 

sign away from West St/Ernest St intersection, this is just another inconsiderate 

decision by council. 

You have recently introduced a "no right turn" between 6am and 10am Mon - Friday 

from West St into Holtermann St. This is ludicrous, there are enough driving 

restrictions in the city already. Everywhere I go people are doing U-turns just to be 

able to turn into the road they want. There is no reason for this new restriction, 

people turning right in Holtermann rarely stop the traffic flow along West St. It is the 

best and simplest route into Crows Nest and St Leonards so why stop people doing 

this Town planning gone mad! 

New No Right Hand Turn Sign at cnr. Holtermann and West Streets, Crows Nest I 

travel from Cammeray to St. Leonards during a.m. peak hour and usually turn right 

into Holtermann Street. The new No Right Hand Turn from 6am - 10 am now forces 

me to the traffic lights at Ernest Street, to then travel on busy Ernest Street and into 

busy Alexander Street, making my journey twice as long. There is no hold up of 

traffic by vehicles turning right into Holtermann Street when I travel about 7.45 am. 

If at some stage there is any slowing of traffic, it would be better to have a "No 

Standing between 6am - 10 am" for parked cars in West Street opposite Holtermann 

Street. Ernest Street and Alexander Street were busy enough prior to this new sign, 

and now traffic will be even more. 

North Sydney Council Wednesday 1st August 2012 Dear Sir or Madam: I refer to the 

recent change to Holtermann Street now becoming a no right turn from West St





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between the hours of 6am to 10am week days. Interestingly, the prevalence of several 

speed humps and 1 hour parking restrictions on this street for many years clearly 

show that this street has and always will be a thoroughfare for traffic. I understand 

that this decision was made as a result of increased traffic flow due to the installation 

of a roundabout at the intersection of Holtermann Street and Alexander Street, Crows 

Nest. I also understand that the results of the Community Survey showed an 

overwhelming majority did not want any change to the traffic conditions. Further, 

Council’s original letter accompanying the survey on 23rd February 2011 states "If a 

change in the existing traffic arrangements at these locations is not considered 

warranted by the community, then these proposals may not proceed". This letter 

implies that Council will abide by the Community’s wishes in this regard and the 

proposed traffic restriction most certainly goes against these wishes. As a Cammeray 

resident who needs to drive from Cammeray to the far side of Crows Nest and St 

Leonards every morning, I do not support the traffic restriction and ask that Council 

abide by the Community’s wish and remove it. I would like to draw to Council’s 

attention that installing a no right turn sign has only resulted in increasing traffic in 

other streets and served no real purpose to the residents of Holtermann Street. For 

example, travellers coming from Cammeray, Neutral Bay, Cremorne etc can still 

drive westbound along Ernest St before turning right onto West and left into 

Holtermann Street. Hence, this does not decrease traffic through Holtermann Street 

(as vehicles are legally turning left) and only serves to increase traffic in other areas. 

The traffic congestion on Amherst and Miller Street intersection at peak period is 

further testimony to this. Rather than council causing drivers to divert through other 

streets and increase build up of traffic in the overall area, I urge Council to consider 

other solutions – for example removing the above mentioned poorly positioned 

roundabout and pedestrian crossing that combine to cause this ‘apparent’ increase in 

traffic. 

 

 

 

I live around the corner in Edwin St, Cammeray and I have been driving this way to 

work for two years. It is not a dangerous intersection, there is no congestion when I 

pass through up to 8am each day and the existing multiple speed humps keep the 

traffic safe. This unnecessary 'no right turn' sign takes me on a circuitous route via 2 

sets of lights adding 5 minutes to my journey and for no apparent reason. Please be 

advised that I am against this 'no right turn' sign and request that it be removed. 

This is a ridiculous thing. All is doing is making cars turn on the Holtermann Lane to 

get to Holtermann St. Worse, it is making drivers take longer on the road as now 

everyone turns on right onto Ernest St, which is dangerous and can cause more 

accidents. I can not comprehend the real reason for this trial and perhaps you should 

explain more. I am local resident and I am completely opposed to this prohibition to 

stay permanently as it is making it more dangerous for drivers to turn onto other 

streets as well as increasing delays in traffic. 

The "No Right Turn" is a bad and unnecessary change. This change forces ourselves 

and others to turn right instead on the already heavily congested Ernest Street and 

typically adds at least five minutes to our travel in the mornings. It is also 

unnecessary, as the roundabout at Holtermann and Alexander was a 

sensibleimprovement to traffic flow, and Holtermann is rarely backed up much even 

in peak hour but this improvement is now largely negated by the inability of 

southbound west st traffic to turn right. If the change was for safety or to reduce





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hold-ups on West st, then it is also pointless, as it is easy to turn right safely into 

Holtermann without holding up traffic, since half the time there is little or no 

oncoming traffic (when west st lights are red). We've lived here for 25years, and this 

change is just not a good idea. 

 

 

 

 

 

This sign is clearly not well thought out, at peak hour there are dozens of motorists 

who need to use Holtermann Street as a means of reaching the latter half of St 

Leonards and the Pacific Hwy. It is the lack of this sign which has prevented the 

chaos that is now occurring with cars being backed up on West St for almost half an 

hour as the set of lights is so short no cars can get through. In fact, the only reason it 

isn't a lot worse than it is because motorists are tired of waiting and are willing to cop 

the fine by making the illegal turn thus freeing up the street. If everyone was obeying 

this stupid sign then I guarantee traffic would be backed up all the way down West St 

preventing cars from exiting the motorway for hours in peak hour. Do yourselves a 

favor and spend five minutes at this intersection at 8:15 and tell me it's a good idea. 

This change has added a huge amount of time to my journey to work every morning. 

As there is no right hand turn arrow at Ernest St it is lucky if one car can get around 

so the traffic in West St is becoming gridlocked. The building of the roundabout on 

the Holtermann and Alexander had such a great impact on traffic flow and most of 

that benefit has now been lost. I appreciate that more cars may be using Holtermann 

but we live close to the city and need to expect that we will have traffic. It isn't like 

cars are speeding down Holtermann. Please take off this no right turn. 

Hi NSC, This no Right turn 6am - 10am provides no value and shifts traffic to other 

areas of Crows Nest, increasing congestion and increasing the risk of accidents. The 

alternate routes to get Pacific Hwy provide considerable increased time and the other 

right turn options have high chance of an accident, as at this time to turn right the 

only Safe option is on yellow light. The right turn into Hotelman provide safe and 

visible entrance to the street. I have never seen the hotelman roundabout with traffic 

that does not flow within a few minutes and is a fantastic and safe route into Crows 

nest. I object to the continuation of this NO RIGHT turn and feel it will a detriment 

to traffic flow and even Increase the risk of serious accidents. I hope with this 

feedback you can remove the No Right Turn as soon as possible. I am free to expand 

or explain this in more detail should you need it. Thank you for your time. 

Can I also suggest that if council decides to make this change permanent after the 

trial period that it considers installing right turn arrows at the traffic lights from West 

St onto Falcon St and from West St onto Earnest St to reduce the increased burden on 

West St brought on by the change. 

I am strongly against this no right turn at West St into Holtermann St. We have 

children at Cammeray Public School and will have for another 9 years. The 

roundabout at Holtermann and Alexander made the route between school and home 

much easier and safer (being off the major roads of Ernest Street and Brook St being 

the other alternative) and now it is rendered almost useless. We use public transport 

as much as possible and particularly for getting to work after dropping kids at school. 

This block on our route makes the whole process more dangerous as we now use the 

Brook Street access point and getting from Cammeray out onto Brook St is a 

nightmare. There is clear sight in all directions from West St into Holtermann St,





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there is no reason for this no right turn to be there!! 

 

 

 

I have lived in Cammeray for the past 6 years. My husband works in North Sydney 

and I work in St Leonards. I am writing to object to the current "no right turn" from 

West Street into Holtermann Street during weekday mornings. I'm unsure of why this 

has been put in place, as I don't believe that traffic turning into this street causes any 

hold ups yet the rule means cars needing to get to Crows Nest or St Leonards have to 

take an extended route. If anything, there should be a no parking rule on West Street 

opposite the entrance to Holtermann, so that traffic is able to go around cars turning 

right here. I would support this sign and rule being removed once the trial is over. 

Hi there, I am just writing to in relation to the new no right turn onto Holtermann 

Street from West Street. I have been paying attention to this for a few weeks now and 

watching as people approach the sign. I have noticed that this sign has now done 

much in relation to stopping people from turning right. Quite often I drive down 

Holtermann street to turn onto West street and because of the number of people still 

disregarding this sign causes traffic to really back up as people on Holtermann street 

are unable to get onto West street. This morning While i waited to turn onto West 

street at roughly 8.50am i counted 4 cars that illigally turned onto Holtermann street 

before i was able to get onto West street. At present I do not feel that motorists are 

paying any attention to this sign as they would prefer to cut onto west street so they 

are not banked up to turn at the traffic lights at Ernest street. Unless police are willing 

to moniter this and catch people turning illigally every now and then I feel that the 

sign may be wasted and pointless. Please note that this is not a complaint, but 

feedback as per the yellow sign on the pole. 

I do not support the 'no right hand turn' at this location. It unnecessarily forces drivers 

further down west street to get into crows nest /narremburn or willoughby. I kindly 

request that it be removed prior to or the end of the trial. 

This makes the traffic very much worse indeed. I work in St Leonards and it adds 10 

minutes to my trip. I am not sure what the objective is to close off the traffic along 

Holtermann. There are not many routes left!! It only banks up the traffic along West 

Street and Ernest Street even more. Going the route of Flat Rock Drive is impossible 

as only one car at a time can turn left off Small Street. It adds an an extra 10 minutes 

on to a trip which should only take 10 – 15 minutes at the most. I may as well be 

living in the city. To be honest, in the morning there isnt much traffic going up 

Holtermann so I am not sure what the object is to stop traffic along the street. Please 

consider removing this ristriction 

 

 

We are residents in Ernest Street, and since the above changed have noted a 

significant increase in traffic now turning right into Ernest Lane as an alternative. In 

3-5 minutes this morning (around 0745) 5-6 cars & motorbikes have used the lane, 

all turning right off West Street. I was walking the lane and I assure you they were 

traveling considerably faster than residents travel. 

I want to register strong disapproval of this trial. West street traffic is now banked up 

for blocks as everyone is stuck waiting for people to turn right at earnest St . There is 

only one line of traffic because of parked cars so everyone is stuck whether you are 

turning or going straight ahead. Sometimes traffic is banked up back to the





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roundabout. PLEASE REINSTATE right hand turn!! This is apart from the fact that 

it cuts off the route around the back of crows nest 

 

 

 

 

Want to register my dismay with the No Right Turn on Holtermann St. Really 

annoyed by Council putting it up. Doesn't do anything to increase safety or improve 

traffic flow. Clearly only done to appease the grumblers in Holtermann St who need 

to learn to share traffic flow in a busy area. Take it away. 

Hi am writing about the No Right turn. Quite disgraceful act by the Council. 

Community didn't support it and yet Council goes ahead anyway. Council is elected 

by us. If we tell you we don't support something then you need to listen to us. The 

roundabout at Holtermann was a godsend. Then a few whiners in Holtermann 

decided that they didn't want the traffic. Typical "not in my backyard" behaviour. 

They need to share it. Why should Ernest and Burlington cop all the traffic and 

Holtermann gets reduced? I travel from Crows Nest to Northbridge in the morning to 

drop off kids. The roundabout made Holtermann safe and shaved heaps of time off 

my morning commute. Cannot believe that Council thinks it's appropriate to install 

No Right Turns on local streets and for what reason? There is minimal traffic coming 

from West towards Holtermann. People turning into Holtermann Street never created 

any danger to anyone and didn't hold up traffic (the traffic and lights at Ernest do a 

good enough job of that). So why the NO Right Turn? No danger, no holding up 

traffic. Me thinks it has been done just to appease the good people of Holtermann 

who need to deal with it. 

No happy with the No Right Turn on West St. No reason for it. 

I am writing to provide feedback on the no right turn on West St and Holtermann 

Street. I am totally opposed to the Council doing this. The surveys showed a lack of 

support and I am unclear why the Council would decide to proceed. Ernest St and 

Burlington Streets are really busy. Holtermann St residents need to share the traffic 

flow. The roundabout works really well. It means that Alexander St is safe to use and 

in the mornings when traffic around Crows Nest is heavy, it is important to give 

people more access to alternate options. I don't understand why the Council is 

positively discriminating in favour of Holtermann Street residents. Why not block off 

Ernest St, Burlington St, Falcon St? Why just Holtermann. I heard on the grapevine 

from other residents that Genia made a "deal" with Holtermann St residents and 

promised them this no right turn. I didn't believe it at the time - that sounds really 

bad. But suddenly the no right turn goes up & I have to wonder if the gossipers are 

correct. Was Holtermann St promised a no right turn - even when the general and 

wider community doesn't support it? Seems awfully wrong to me. I am really angry 

about the no right turn. I also heard that on Friday 14 September the police were 

booking people which also seems dreadfully unfair when it is supposed to be a trial 

and it's hardly dangerous to turn right - there's hardly any oncoming traffic - seems 

like a complete waste of police resources to have them booking local residents= o 

turn into a local street. I guess if it stays the last laugh is on Holtermann St residents 

who can't access their own street in the mornings if they duck out for bread. They 

need to crawl onto the clogged Ernest St, trawl down that street, wait at the lights, 

crawl down Alexander St and then turn right. Ha! But seriously can't believe that the 

Council has done this. Smells really wrong and is not supported by the community at 

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To whom it may concern - I cannot believe that the Council has gone against the 

wishes of the community and installed the no right turn from West St & Holtermann 

Street. After reading the results of the community survey I did not believe that the 

Council - who are elected by the community - would go against the results of the 

survey and what people have said. There was little support for this initiative and yet a 

few weeks ago, I noticed the signs go up. What a disgraceful act from an elected 

Council. The community at large says "no thanks" and so a small group of elected 

people say "Yes please" - AND what I find most galling... this is called a TRIAL and 

yet there were Police at the corner pulling people over and fining them on Friday 14 

September. I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT. The Council has decided to turn on its 

own people but putting the police onto local residents (who by the way should be out 

looking for real crime instead of smugly pulling over residents simply trying to get to 

work, or get kids to schools or day care. So excellent job Councillors. I was so 

thrilled when commonsense was shown & the roundabout was installed at 

Holtermann Street, it turned Holtermann Street into a viable & useful alternative to 

the clogged up Ernest Street or Burlington St. It cleared 15 min from my daily slog 

from Cammeray School to a day care in Crows Nest. It was working, residents were 

largely happy and life proceeded on – until Council decides to ignore the wishes of 

the community and turn a perfectly legitimate right hand turn into an illegal act, 

followed up by siccing the police onto its residents. I am disgusted and I intend to 

report this matter to my local Minister. 

I live one house removed from Ernest Lane and I am very concerned indeed at the 

volume of traffic that is now using Ernest Lane as a 'rat fun' since the no right hand 

turn in to Holtermann Street (coming from Cammeray) during peak hours has been in 

place. All very nice for the folk in Holtermann not to have the traffic but I see a 

disaster looming for unwary residents backing onto Ernest Lane. More and more cars 

are approaching Ernest Street lights (from Cammeray) and turning into Ernest Lane 

and travelling at quite high speeds, this volume will only increase as the tail back at 

the lights in the morning is enormous. It was a folly at best to stop the right hand turn 

into Holtermann Street. Not only do commuters now use Ernest Lane, but the volume 

of traffic in Burlington Street has increased dramatically as well. All residents should 

be sharing the load without favouritism shown to what are most likely the most 

outspoken residents; those in Holtermann Street. 

I have just received a ticket from the police for turning left into Holtermann St.I have 

worked in Crows Nest for over 3 years and sometimes take this street (but not 

always) and could not see the signs as they are only new, there are lots of trees on the 

corner, pedestrians cross there so I am more so looking for them. I think it is 

disappointing that we are getting charged over $200 and losing points when this is 

just a trial! I totally understand that the police are just doing their jobs and that it is 

good to ensure residence in the area are happy but there are many companies in an 

near this street so to be stopping people turning when it is not blocking traffic to turn 

left or causing any issues it a bit ridiculous in my eyes. People have bought in those 

areas knowing that they live near the heart of Crows Nest. Please at least do not 

charge when it is just a trial, you can at least give warning to drivers but to charge is 

very disappointing and with the near perfect driving record I have I will be fighting 

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I would like to make a formal complaint regarding the new no right turn sign from 

West Street into Holtermann Street I have live just 30 or 40 meters from that 

intersection for 6 years. I have made the turn there probably 1,000+ times. Last week, 

I was fined for turning there as I was going to Castle Hill to take my daughter to her 

very last day of school. Not only do I very much disagree with the no right turn, but 

the thing that makes my blood boil is the extremely heavy handed approach by the 

council and the police in enforcing such a new provision. I see it as an unfortunately 

normal and extremely greedy revenue gathering exercise by the Council – again 

which is sadly typical of this council. I am very embarrassed to say I am live in an 

area with such a council. This fine was $232 which is ridiculous for such a ‘crime’. 

Go get the real criminals and leave us good community based citizens alone!!!!!! I 

am disgusted as one of your community member. The police and the Council should 

get about doing real work and not hammering the good citizens who are only trying 

to do good for people and the community 

I am writing to oppose the trial of a "No right-hand turn" sign recently installed at the 

corner of Holtermann and West Streets, Crows Nest. As a resident of the area for 

more than 20 years, I speak with significant experience when I say that the sign's 

installation is ill-considered and disruptive to morning traffic flow. After years of the 

roads around that area generally being difficult to navigate, your department finally 

installed an incredibly useful roundabout at the intersection of Holtermann ST and 

Alexander St, at the other end of Holtermann St. This roundabout is fantastic and 

significantly improved traffic flow around the area. However, its utility is basically 

reduced to zero when you won't allow people to turn from West St into Holtermann 

St. Traffic turning right rarely holds up traffic AT ALL - and when it does, it is only 

for a few seconds at most. I use this turn every morning for work, so again I have a 

lot of experience with the flow of traffic in the area. What a sad waste of money to 

render the roundabout more or less useless. I hope that you can have this sign 

removed after its trial period. 

Thanks for getting back to me. Re your comment re this is a ‘police matter’….the 

Senior Police Lady who booked me very clearly told me this was not a police issue – 

it is a local council and RTA issue. Seem no one wants to take responsibility to 

things that negatively affect the community. Also – if this is a Trial…why on earth 

do they not simply provide warnings. To impose such steep fines on a ‘trial’ 

modification is crazy. It is an unnecessary and over-controlling approach to traffic 

management – which, as I mentioned before, only causes locals like us, grief. I 

expect my issue with this will be tossed in the bin in reality as they will certainly be 

looking to validate their own decisions – not overturning their own decisions! I have 

never seen a council overturn their own decision and admit they were wrong. I 

appreciate you getting back to me at least – have a pleasant weekend 

As a resident of 9 yrs in the above address, I have seen an heavy increase in traffic 

volume along West Street. I do think the roundabout in Alexander Street has been of 

benefit to traffic flow, BUT would like the RTA/ North Sydney Council to consider a 

roundabout at the intersection of Holtermann & West Street, to ensure vehicle traffic 

& the heavy flow of bike traffic travels at a safe speed. At the moment West Street 

between Ernest & Palmer Streets is a speed way in peak hour . 

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stopping traffic from turning right up Holtermann st would help traffic flows. All this 

has done is create a traffic jam as less cars are able to move through the traffic light 

cycle, which results in more cars/gridlock on West street. Once cars have turned right 

onto Ernest st they are then subjected to wait at a second set of traffic lights and turn 

right again into Alexander Street. This will add up to 10 minutes during the peak time 

of day to a trip. The alternative is to turn down Ernest Lane which has not been 

maintained (patched up tar/pot holes) and not designed for the high flow of traffic 

that has been forced there by this no right turn sign. This is also a dangerous route to 

take as cars are exiting their driveways 

 

 

I cycle daily to work and this no right turn means that I have to turn right at the 

following set of lights which itself poses more risks and increases the volume of 

traffic that I have to deal with down Ernest St. Of all the sections of road I now ride 

from Seaforth to St Leonards this has become the most dangerous section. I agree 

with reducing the traffic for local residents but would prefer if the right turn could be 

made as an exception for bicycles 

Stopping/Restricting traffic from turning right into Holtermann from West is a 

disaster. Please remove the no right hand turn sign at West/Holtermann . Please look 

at the traffic lights at the Ernest/West and Falcon/West intersections - with no right 

hand turn filter and single lanes of traffic along West it causes delays every day. 

 

 

I am a resident of the North Sydney area and have been since May 2011. I very much 

enjoy living in such a lovely community, however, I wish to raise an issue. This issue 

being of the "NO RIGHT TURN" sign which has been put up on the corner of West 

St and Holtermann St in Cammeray. I was away for the month of September only 

being made aware of this change on my return. I do not recall reading anything about 

the placement of this sign or there being any protesting as I for one would have 

definitely argued against it. I did a quick read though of this year's Council Meetings, 

Agendas, Minutes and Traffic Committee reports but was unable to find any 

information as to why the sign was put up. It has been of terrible inconvenience for 

myself as this was the route I took to get to work (I'm a nurse at Royal North Shore 

Hospital). I was unaware of any traffic issues before as I was turning right into 

Holtermann on an almost daily basis. It now adds an extra 15minutes for me to get to 

work as turning right into Ernest can be difficult due to there being no turning lights. 

If there had been an issue with turning into Holtermann then the Council should have 

made turning lights on both Ernest and Falcon St as now it has just further bought 

traffic into these areas with difficult access for drivers to turn. I would be happy to 

come and take this issue up in the next meeting if able. 

the no right turn now means cyclists using cycle way west trying to join cycleway 

north have now to make their right turn at Ernest street across oncoming peak hour 

traffic. (one cyclist hit badly already) another side effect of this whole traffic problem 

(started with the building of the unneeded roundabout at Holtermann and Alexander) 

accidents increased dramatically along with on mass rat running. is vehicles heading 

south on west street doing a crash U turn just past Holtermann street in west street 

then turning left into Holtermann . remove the round about or make it no right turn at 

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Conclusion 


The majority of the feedback received from the community during the trial period was against 

the No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri restriction. 

If Council were to decide to retain the No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri restriction from 

West Street into Holtermann Street then it is recommended that consideration be given to 

installing a No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri restriction from West Street into Ernest Lane 

and a controlled right turn arrow from West Street (southbound) into Ernest Street 

(westbound) at the signalised intersection. As the Traffic Committee is aware these measures 

would require further community consultation and investigation, including concurrence from 

Roads and Maritime Services. Council has already invested a significant amount of resources 

to consult the community in relation to the Holtermann Street matter and additional 

treatments are unlikely to generate a favourable response from the wider community. On this 

basis it is recommended that the No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri from West Street into 

Holtermann Street restriction be removed.


DECISION OF 3576 COUNCIL (ASSESSMENTS) MEETING 

HELD ON 16 MAY 2011 

311. EPS01: Report of 461st Traffic Committee 

Re: Minute No. 41 (4.10) Holtermann Street – Survey Results 

Report of Traffic Engineer, Cathy Edwards-Davis 13 April 2011 

Council installed a roundabout at the intersection of Holtermann Street and Alexander 

Street, Crows Nest in December 2009. Since the roundabout was installed vehicle 

volumes have increased on Holtermann Street, particularly in the morning peak. As 

part of the approval for the roundabout, Council resolved that if after 12 months the 

daily volume of vehicles in Holtermann Street was greater than 2,800 then Council 

would re-survey the community to determine their opinion on a range of traffic 

modifications. 

The Holtermann Street survey was sent out on the 23 February 2011 and the 

community was given until 25 March 2011 to respond. A total of 1,672 surveys were 

sent out and Council received 574 responses. This represents a response rate of 

34.3% which is very high. 85 responses were provided on-line and 489 were received 

in hard copy. Duplicate submissions were removed. The cost to undertake the survey 

was approximately $6,700 and the staff time was approximately 96 hours. 

Recommending: 

THAT the information be received. 



THAT Council submit a traffic management plan to the RTA for a No Right 

Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri restriction for southbound vehicles on West Street 

into Holtermann Street (east) 

Voting was unanimous 

ADOPTED


Item 4 . 10 - Traffic - 29/4/11 

N O R T H S Y D N E Y C O U N C I L R E P O R T S 


Attach Diagram 

SUBJECT: 

(4.10) Holtermann Street – Survey Results 

AUTHOR: Report of Traffic Engineer, Cathy Edwards-Davis 13 April 2011 


Council installed a roundabout at the intersection of Holtermann Street and Alexander Street, 

Crows Nest in December 2009. Since the roundabout was installed vehicle volumes have 

increased on Holtermann Street, particularly in the morning peak. As part of the approval for 

the roundabout, Council resolved that if after 12 months the daily volume of vehicles in 

Holtermann Street was greater than 2,800 then Council would re-survey the community to 

determine their opinion on a range of traffic modifications. 

The Holtermann Street survey was sent out on the 23 February 2011 and the community was 

given until 25 March 2011 to respond. A total of 1,672 surveys were sent out and Council 

received 574 responses. This represents a response rate of 34.3% which is very high. 85 

responses were provided on-line and 489 were received in hard copy. Duplicate submissions 

were removed. The cost to undertake the survey was approximately $6,700 and the staff time 

was approximately 96 hours. 


THAT the information be received.


Report of Traffic Engineer, Cathy Edwards-Davis 13/4/11 (2) 

Re: Holtermann Street – Survey Results 

DETAILS: 

Standard or Guideline Used: AS 1742.2 

Signs & Lines Priority: N/A 

Precinct and Ward: Holtermann, Wollstonecraft 

The roundabout at the intersection of Holtermann Street and Alexander Street was completed 

in December 2009. 

As part of the approval for the roundabout, Council resolved: 

THAT Council undertake a traffic count in Holtermann Street six months and 12 months after 

the practical completion of the roundabout and if for either of these counts the AADT volume 

of vehicles is greater than 2,800 in Holtermann Street, then Council re-survey the community 

to determine their opinion with regard to the installation of the following: 

• A half road closure on the northern side of Holtermann Street (east), just east of Alexander 

Lane 

• A No Right Turn restriction for westbound vehicles on Ernest Street onto West Street 

• A No Right Turn restriction for southbound vehicles on West Street into Holtermann Street 

(east) 

A traffic count was undertaken in Holtermann Street in June 2010. The AADT was 3,197 and 

the 85 th percentile was 48 km/h. 

A traffic count was undertaken in Holtermann Street in November 2010. The AADT was 

3,486 and the 85 th percentile was 48 km/h. 

The matter was considered at the North Sydney Traffic Committee meeting on the 4 February 

2011 where it was resolved: 

Recommending: 

THAT as per the previous Council resolution, Council survey the community to 

determine their opinion with regard to the installation of the following: 

• A half road closure on the northern side of Holtermann Street (east), just east of 

Alexander Lane 

• A No Right Turn restriction for westbound vehicles on Ernest Street onto West 

Street 

• A No Right Turn restriction for southbound vehicles on West Street into 

Holtermann Street (east) 

THAT as per the previous Council resolution, the survey include a “do nothing” option 

and the opportunity for the community to suggest other alternatives. 


THAT the recommendation be adopted. 

THAT the survey also include an option for a No Right Turn restriction for westbound 

vehicles on Ernest Street into Sophia Street. 

THAT a stop sign be installed at the northern end of Sophia Street (corner of Sophia 

St & Ernest St)




The survey which went out to the community stated that Council will implement none, all, or 

a combination of the options, depending on the community response. 

Survey Results 

The responses received to the survey are as follows: 

Question 1 - I am in favour of retaining the existing traffic arrangements in Holtermann Street 

and Ernest Street 

Street 

Yes No No Opinion No Answer 

Number % Number % Number % Number % 

TOTAL 

Albany St 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Alexander St 44 77.2 7 12.3 3 5.3 3 5.3 57 

Atchison St 21 75.0 5 17.9 2 7.1 0.0 28 

Burlington La 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Burlington St 45 83.3 6 11.1 3 5.6 0.0 54 

Devonshire St 30 81.1 4 10.8 3 8.1 0.0 37 

Ernest St 50 82.0 8 13.1 3 4.9 0.0 61 

Falcon St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Holtermann St 19 22.1 52 60.5 1 1.2 14 16.3 86 

Hume La 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Huntingdon St 30 88.2 3 8.8 1 2.9 0.0 34 

Oxley St 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Pacific Highway 2 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2 

Sophia St 1 33.3 2 66.7 0.0 0.0 3 

West St 46 82.1 6 10.7 2 3.6 2 3.6 56 

Willoughby Rd 18 85.7 3 14.3 0.0 0.0 21 

Non-Resident 85 88.5 7 7.3 3 3.1 1 1.0 96 

Anonymous 27 79.4 5 14.7 1 2.9 1 2.9 34 

Total 395 68.8 104 18.1 21 3.7 20 3.5 574 

Question 2 - I am in favour of a half road closure on the northern side of Holtermann Street, just 

east of Alexander Lane 

Street 



TOTAL 

Albany St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Alexander St 4 7.0 39 68.4 3 5.3 11 19.3 57 

Atchison St 3 10.7 14 50.0 2 7.1 9 32.1 28 

Burlington La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Burlington St 2 3.7 37 68.5 1 1.9 14 25.9 54 

Devonshire St 1 2.7 33 89.2 0.0 3 8.1 37 

Ernest St 2 3.3 48 78.7 4 6.6 7 11.5 61 

Falcon St 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Holtermann St 14 16.3 42 48.8 2 2.3 28 32.6 86 

Hume La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1




Street 



TOTAL 

Huntingdon St 1 2.9 28 82.4 1 2.9 4 11.8 34 

Oxley St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Pacific Highway 0.0 2 100.0 0.0 0.0 2 

Sophia St 0.0 2 66.7 0.0 1 33.3 3 

West St 3 5.4 45 80.4 3 5.4 5 8.9 56 

Willoughby Rd 1 4.8 16 76.2 0.0 4 19.0 21 

Non-Resident 3 3.1 88 91.7 2 2.1 3 3.1 96 

Anonymous 5 14.7 26 76.5 0.0 3 8.8 34 

Total 35 6.1 398 69.3 18 3.1 89 15.5 574 

Question 3A - I am in favour of a “No Right Turn” restriction for westbound vehicles on Ernest 

Street into West Street 

Street 



TOTAL 

Albany St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Alexander St 4 7.0 40 70.2 3 5.3 10 17.5 57 

Atchison St 0.0 18 64.3 1 3.6 9 32.1 28 

Burlington La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Burlington St 0.0 40 74.1 1 1.9 13 24.1 54 

Devonshire St 2 5.4 28 75.7 4 10.8 3 8.1 37 

Ernest St 1 1.6 53 86.9 1 1.6 6 9.8 61 

Falcon St 0.0 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 1 

Holtermann St 13 15.1 39 45.3 4 4.7 30 34.9 86 

Hume La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Huntingdon St 1 2.9 28 82.4 1 2.9 4 11.8 34 

Oxley St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 


Sophia St 0.0 3 100.0 0.0 0.0 3 

West St 5 8.9 47 83.9 0.0 4 7.1 56 

Willoughby Rd 0.0 16 76.2 0.0 5 23.8 21 

Non-Resident 1 1.0 90 93.8 2 2.1 3 3.1 96 

Anonymous 7 20.6 23 67.6 0.0 4 11.8 34 

Total 27 4.7 408 71.1 18 3.1 87 15.2 574 

Question 3B - I am in favour of a “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” restrictions for 

westbound vehicles on Ernest Street into West Street 

Street 



TOTAL 

Albany St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Alexander St 11 19.3 32 56.1 3 5.3 11 19.3 57 

Atchison St 4 14.3 13 46.4 2 7.1 9 32.1 28 

Burlington La 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1




Street 



TOTAL 

Burlington St 5 9.3 35 64.8 1 1.9 13 24.1 54 

Devonshire St 10 27.0 21 56.8 3 8.1 3 8.1 37 

Ernest St 9 14.8 45 73.8 1 1.6 6 9.8 61 

Falcon St 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Holtermann St 29 33.7 28 32.6 4 4.7 25 29.1 86 

Hume La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Huntingdon St 5 14.7 22 64.7 3 8.8 4 11.8 34 

Oxley St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 


Sophia St 1 33.3 1 33.3 0.0 1 33.3 3 

West St 18 32.1 34 60.7 1 1.8 3 5.4 56 

Willoughby Rd 4 19.0 13 61.9 0.0 4 19.0 21 

Non-Resident 9 9.4 82 85.4 2 2.1 3 3.1 96 

Anonymous 6 17.6 24 70.6 0.0 4 11.8 34 

Total 107 18.6 331 57.7 20 3.5 82 14.3 574 

Question 4A - I am in favour of a “No Right Turn” restriction for southbound vehicles on West 

Street into Holtermann Street 

Street 



TOTAL 

Albany St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Alexander St 5 8.8 40 70.2 2 3.5 10 17.5 57 

Atchison St 1 3.6 17 60.7 1 3.6 9 32.1 28 

Burlington La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Burlington St 2 3.7 39 72.2 0.0 13 24.1 54 

Devonshire St 3 8.1 28 75.7 3 8.1 3 8.1 37 

Ernest St 3 4.9 50 82.0 2 3.3 6 9.8 61 

Falcon St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Holtermann St 19 22.1 34 39.5 5 5.8 28 32.6 86 

Hume La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Huntingdon St 1 2.9 27 79.4 2 5.9 4 11.8 34 

Oxley St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 


Sophia St 1 33.3 2 66.7 0.0 0.0 3 

West St 5 8.9 47 83.9 0.0 4 7.1 56 

Willoughby Rd 0.0 17 81.0 0.0 4 19.0 21 

Non-Resident 3 3.1 88 91.7 1 1.0 4 4.2 96 

Anonymous 3 8.8 27 79.4 0.0 4 11.8 34 

Total 43 7.5 396 69.0 16 2.8 85 14.8 574 

Question 4B - I am in favour of a “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” restriction for 

southbound vehicles on West Street into Holtermann Street




Street 



TOTAL 

Albany St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Alexander St 11 19.3 32 56.1 3 5.3 11 19.3 57 

Atchison St 3 10.7 12 42.9 4 14.3 9 32.1 28 

Burlington La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Burlington St 5 9.3 35 64.8 1 1.9 13 24.1 54 

Devonshire St 6 16.2 25 67.6 3 8.1 3 8.1 37 

Ernest St 10 16.4 43 70.5 2 3.3 6 9.8 61 

Falcon St 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Holtermann St 63 73.3 12 14.0 2 2.3 9 10.5 86 

Hume La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Huntingdon St 9 26.5 16 47.1 5 14.7 4 11.8 34 

Oxley St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 


Sophia St 1 33.3 1 33.3 0.0 1 33.3 3 

West St 10 17.9 40 71.4 3 5.4 3 5.4 56 

Willoughby Rd 5 23.8 12 57.1 0.0 4 19.0 21 

Non-Resident 7 7.3 85 88.5 1 1.0 3 3.1 96 

Anonymous 6 17.6 25 73.5 0.0 3 8.8 34 

Total 131 22.8 319 55.6 24 4.2 66 11.5 574 

Question 5A - I am in favour of a “No Right Turn” restriction for westbound vehicles on Ernest 

Street into Sophia Street 

Street 



TOTAL 

Albany St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Alexander St 8 14.0 37 64.9 2 3.5 10 17.5 57 

Atchison St 1 3.6 15 53.6 3 10.7 9 32.1 28 

Burlington La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Burlington St 6 11.1 34 63.0 1 1.9 13 24.1 54 

Devonshire St 4 10.8 22 59.5 8 21.6 3 8.1 37 

Ernest St 6 9.8 49 80.3 0.0 6 9.8 61 

Falcon St 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Holtermann St 20 23.3 29 33.7 8 9.3 29 33.7 86 

Hume La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Huntingdon St 8 23.5 20 58.8 2 5.9 4 11.8 34 

Oxley St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 


Sophia St 1 33.3 2 66.7 0.0 0.0 3 

West St 7 12.5 40 71.4 5 8.9 4 7.1 56 

Willoughby Rd 1 4.8 16 76.2 0.0 4 19.0 21 

Non-Resident 4 4.2 87 90.6 1 1.0 4 4.2 96 

Anonymous 5 14.7 26 76.5 0.0 3 8.8 34 

Total 67 11.7 357 62.2 30 5.2 86 15.0 574




Question 5B - I am in favour of a “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” restriction for 

westbound vehicles on Ernest Street into Sophia Street 

Street 



TOTAL 

Albany St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Alexander St 15 26.3 28 49.1 3 5.3 11 19.3 57 

Atchison St 5 17.9 9 32.1 5 17.9 9 32.1 28 

Burlington La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Burlington St 10 18.5 31 57.4 1 1.9 12 22.2 54 

Devonshire St 11 29.7 17 45.9 6 16.2 3 8.1 37 

Ernest St 11 18.0 44 72.1 0.0 6 9.8 61 

Falcon St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Holtermann St 58 67.4 13 15.1 6 7.0 9 10.5 86 

Hume La 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 

Huntingdon St 11 32.4 14 41.2 5 14.7 4 11.8 34 

Oxley St 0.0 1 100.0 0.0 0.0 1 


Sophia St 1 33.3 1 33.3 0.0 1 33.3 3 

West St 11 19.6 33 58.9 8 14.3 4 7.1 56 

Willoughby Rd 4 19.0 13 61.9 0.0 4 19.0 21 

Non-Resident 11 11.5 81 84.4 1 1.0 3 3.1 96 

Anonymous 5 14.7 25 73.5 0.0 4 11.8 34 

Total 148 25.8 291 50.7 35 6.1 66 11.5 574 

Question 6 - I am in favour of another arrangement (please describe) 

Street 

Number of 

Suggestions 

Alexander St 4 

Atchison St 1 

Burlington St 3 

Devonshire St 4 

Ernest St 13 

Holtermann St 11 

Huntingdon St 3 

West St 11 

Willoughby Rd 1 

Non-Resident 4 

Anonymous 2 

Total 55 

The suggested other arrangements were as follows (repeated suggestions noted in brackets): 

• Holtermann Street one-way westbound




• Remove the roundabout at the intersection of Alexander Street and Holtermann Street 

(7) 

• More free parking in Crows Nest (2) 

• Build an overhead bridge or tunnel 

• Remove or reduce the height of the raised pedestrian crossing on Alexander Street, at 

Holtermann Street (5) 

• Traffic should be confined to through streets 

• Restriction on through traffic in Alexander Lane 

• Traffic signals at the intersection of West Street and Holtermann Street 

• Make the intersection of Holtermann Street and Alexander Street the same as the 

intersection of Devonshire Street and Alexander Street 

• Ban traffic exiting off the Warringah Freeway going onto Amherst Street and turning 

right onto West Street 

• Channel the traffic down Ernest Street 

• Replace the roundabout with traffic signals 

• Install a pedestrian refuge as part of the existing pedestrian crossing 

• Block of entry/ exit to Holtermann Street north from Alexander Street 

• Reduced speed limit in Holtermann Street 

• Visitor parking permits 

• AM Peak No Right Turn for eastbound vehicles in Holtermann Street into West Street 

• AM Peak No Left Turn for northbound vehicles in West Street into Holtermann Street 

(3) 

• Full road closure of Holtermann Street, at Alexander Lane 

• Get on with new Woolworths and car park building 

• Permit the right turn for westbound vehicles on Falcon Street into Alexander Street (2) 

• Install a roundabout at the corner of Holtermann Street and West Street 

• Replace lights at the intersection of Ernest Street and Alexander Street with a 

roundabout 

• Reduce traffic on West Street through road closures or local traffic area 

• Leave it as it is and stop trying to reinvent the wheel 

• The No Right Turn restrictions should be 8am – 9.30am 

• Don’t spend any money on roadworks. Use the funds to clean up the rat problem in 

Crows Nest laneways!! This problem is a disgrace and a public health issue!! 

• Not described (13)




Comments 

Council received hundreds of comments from the community. The comments below are 

representative of the types of comments received: 

Whatever you do, keep the round about and pedestrian crossing. It is the only safe way for 

people to walk around this area. 

Holterman street is a through street and the residents must be willing to share the volume of 

traffic. Making these changes means that other streets and laneways will have more traffic and 

the potential for accidents is increased. Please - everyone should share the traffic burden. These 

changes only favour Holterman Street. 

Hello - the changes to Holtermann Street are one of the best things that North Sydney Council 

has done in recent times. I travel between Cammeray and Crows Nest twice a day between a 

school in Cammeray and a day care in Crows Nest. The Holtermann St changes have made a 

potentially dangerous trip (coming out from Holtermann St without a roundabout) into a 

breeze. It has also cut travel times by approx 15 min in total. 

I hope the views of all residents and not just residents who live in Holtermann st are taken into 

account in making a wise decision regarding this issue. 

1.Remove the pedestrian crossing from new round about on the intersection of Alexander and 

Holterman Streets. Place this further down the road if necessary as there is adequate pedestrian 

access further up Alexander Street. 

I am concerned any change will cause traffic to find alternative routes down West St (between 

Ernest and Falcon) up Burlington St / Lane (already congested). Also the laneway often has 

children playing and any increased traffic and no road speed monotoring proposes great risk to 

their safety. Pedestrian and cyclists safety on West should also be considered as any increase in 

traffic will pose a potential risk in the area around the Tafe 

We are concerned that any of the proposed changes will result in an increase of traffic on 

Burlington Street where we live. 

the installation of the roundabout at Holtermann and Alexander Sts has been a traffic nightmare 

as commuters benefit from using it to the detriment of commuters/traffic using Ernest St lights. 

I am in favour of removing it. 

Many of the proposals make it very difficult to access Huntingdon St, mainly behind 

Devonshire Street. This lane is already quite difficult to access, thanks to Huntingdon being 

one-way from West Street, and no-right-turn into Devonshire from Alexander St. Please have 

regard to residents needing to access this lane. Thanks! 

As a first comment, the roundabout on Holtermann/Alexander has significantly improved 

traffic safety, it has slowed the traffic on Alexander and has made a very big difference for 

pedestrians. The Council is complimented for doing this work.




Council should note that its reluctance/inability to approve development of a Woolworths 

supermarket in Crows Nest means that residents have to use Neutral Bay or Northbridge. 

Therefore the need for access from the north and east is essential. As it is, even the shortest trip 

around Crows Nest is complicated and illegible because of one-ways, turn restrictions, no 

entries and the like. 

I note, as a resident, that Holtermann is quiet and empty most of the day. Instead of restricting 

movements on this street (which may satisfy residents on Holtermann, but negatively impact 

on Devonshire, Ernest and Huntington) the Council should consider augmenting the existing 

traffic calming arrangements - perhaps like Burlington. 

As a ratepayer I do not think any of the proposals suggested is good use of my money and the 

do nothing option is best. 

I believe the roundabout (Holtermann/Alexander intersection), should be removed, and stop 

signs installed on Holtermann Street at the intersection with Alexander. 

This would allow traffic to flow freely along Alexander Street, and would discourage traffic 

from using Holtermann Street. Under no circumstances should further traffic 

impediments/restrictions (ie no right turns)be installed which will force traffic onto Ernest 

Street. 

The existing arrangement is fine. I don't want more traffic in Ernest Street which is close to 

capacity already. 

One of the main congestion points that has not been offered is to remove the pedestrian 

crossing at Holtermann on Atchison. THAT is the main cause of congestion at peak hour. 

Congestion in Alexander Street has built up noticeably since the installation of the roundabout 

at Holtermann Street. Any of the proposed traffic modifications will only further slow the 

fluidity of traffic in what is already a high traffic area. 

There is no easy solution and any amendments will only have a flow on effect somewhere else. 

It is well known that the residents of Holtermann Street have had a committee in place for 

considerable time attempting, for a number of years, to have changes made to traffic flows into 

Holtermann. 

There has, over the past few years been a general increase in all traffic around Crows Nest and 

St Leonards. This is partly due to the increased density with the construction of unit blocks and 

the number of businesses and to the general increase in traffic in Sydney. Unless there is a 

dramatic change, e.g. significantly improved public transport, the traffic levels will continue to 

increase. Council’s web site contains the following comment “North Sydney Council has 

62,000 residents and 51,000 people who work in the area, as well as other visitors to the area. 

All of these people generate a lot of demand for travel by public and private transport within 

the North Sydney area. There is also a large amount of through traffic generated by regional 

travel through the municipality”. What we are seeing on ALL streets is an increase in traffic 

through growth. This cannot be avoided particularly as the Council has noted with the volume 

of through traffic now being experienced.




Ernest Street the residents accept that there will be high traffic volumes including buses, that is 

a fact of today’s traffic environment. However, I believe that other roads such as Holtermann 

Street should carry their share of traffic without further changes. This creates fairness for the 

ALL residents. Ernest Street does and will always carry significantly more traffic than 

Holtermann Street Holtermann Street as well as other streets are necessary must continue to 

carry their share of traffic to ensure there are alternative routes to keep the traffic flowing 

through Crows Nest. Any changes to existing traffic flows would result in Ernest Street 

becoming a major blockage of traffic as, other than Falcon Street there would be no other 

options through this part of Crows Nest. 

I am asking that Council consider ALL residents of Crows Nest and not bow to the wishes of 

the residents of one street. 

Please consider allowing right hand turns from Falcon into Alexander, most of the traffic that 

comes via West into Ernst/Burlington/Holtermann is driving around this no right hand turn. 

Removing the restriction from Falcon right into Alexander will greatly reduce traffic across the 

residential streets of holtermann, ernst, west and burlington. 

Residents in Holtermann St need to get used to traffic - it's part of living in a big city. 

The roundabout is not the problem . The pedestrian crossing is the problem. When people 

cross, traffic is held up. There never used to be a crossing at that point and I would suggest that 

if you took the crossing out, your traffic problems would all but disappear. Pedestrians could 

continue using the traffic controlled crossing a few metres up the street. 

My office is at 109 Alexander St with my carpark in Holtermann St, and my office front door 

opening on to Holtermann St. We watch the movement of traffic all day long. The current 

round-a-bout is great and has stopped the accidents that we used to witness regularly. 

Changing turning and reducing road widths will increase travel times and greenhouse gases 

unnecessarily when I have not noticed a marked increase in traffic on Holtermann St. This all 

seems very pointless. 

Leave the street as is!!! Why do you constantly have to change things that work? Find 

something that really needs fixing!! 

Holtermann Street Resident Comments 

Holtermann St is the "short-cut" to busy Crows Nest. The new Alexander ST roundabout only 

facilitates the use of this short-cut. The increased use of Holtermann as the short-cut has 

degraded the amenity of Holtermann St. If the roundabout stays, the residents will be 

disadvantaged by difficult access to their properties. The pedestrian crossing is useful as is 

provides a safe to cross. 

I always thought streets and roads were made for traffic use and these days there is such a 

volume of cars using all roads its an impossible solution to where to the situation car be 

resolved by cutting the right hand or left hand into any streets I do not have a car but I find the 

roundabout at Holtermann and Alexander St very good especially the pedestrian crossing. 

As I am not a driver I use the pedestrian crossing so I hope that the crossing will still be safe to




use. 

We believe that: 

a) a half road closure on the northern side of Holtermann (2) is inconvenient for the residents 

of Holtermann Street. Additionally, should this occur considerable traffic would turn down 

Alexander Lane into Huntington Street and head east along a narrow laneway to West Street - 

a most unsatisfactory situation. 

b) access to Holtermann, Ernest & Sophia Streets should NOT HAVE 24 hour "No Right Turn" 

(3A, 4A & 5A) restrictions - constrains entry to Holtermann Street residents. 

c) we believe that the alternatives (3B, 4B & 5B) whilst may warranted in some quarters - 

could this be deferred to a later date when further traffic information becomes available. 

Ernest Lane will also need a 'No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri'. 

Also suggest speed bumps in Sophia Street between Ernest and Holtermann (without removing 

any parking spaces) if you do not put in 'No Right Turn' signs in - the speed in which drivers 

go down there is ridiculous. 

Most in favour of the half road closure on the northern side of Holtermann Street. 

Very unhappy that the decision to put a roundabout on the junction of Alexander Street and 

Holtermann Street. 

Options 3A and 4A result in residents not being able to access the street from the east i.e. 

travelling from the Neutral Bay direction. 

All 3 restrictions are required in concert for this to be effective 

The half road closure is the best option listed but a better option would be a full road closure 

at the same location. This would also allow for future road narrowing and increased parking in 

the street with some of it being potentially metered. The local Greek Church and main street 

would benefit as would the residents. 

I have particular concerns regarding option 2 which may funnel more eastbound traffic down 

Huntington lane- already a dangerous narrow thoroughfare with houses and garages opening 

directly to the street without any footpaths- and impedes resident access to Holtermann Street 

from the west. 

I am very disapointed that it has come to this. After we were promised it would not affected our 

streer




Greek Church 

The Greek Church located on Holtermann Street provided the following comments: 

The Greek Orthodox Parish & Community of Northern & Western Suburbs “Taxiarchis 

Michael O Panormitis” objects to the proposed traffic changes for the following 

reasons: 

(a) The current traffic management facilities, including the newly constructed 

roundabout at the intersection of Alexander and Holtermann Streets, are operating 

efficiently and have greatly improved access to and from Hotermann Street whilst also 

enhancing pedestrian safety; 

(b) As a significant proportion of Parishioners reside within suburbs to the east of 

Crows Nest, vehicular access to the Church would be greatly hampered for those 

Parishioners by the proposed changes; 

(c) The proposed traffic changes would also result in difficulties for funeral and 

wedding vehicles travelling to and from the Church for related services. 

In essence, the Parish is of the opinion that the existing traffic measures offer a good 

balance between reasonable access to the locality whilst also enhancing pedestrian 

safety and that the proposed changes will result in unecessary access restrictions for 

Parishioners and other church related users and service providers. 

NSW Fire Brigade Comments 

As always NSWFB is concerned with access for emergency response. If this is not 

effected we have no concerns. 

Discussion 

The majority of survey respondents (68.8%) support retaining the existing traffic arrangements 

in Holtermann Street and Ernest Street. 

All respondents to the survey are impacted by the proposals. The people most directly 

impacted by the various options are the residents in Burlington Lane, Burlington Street, Ernest 

Street, Holtermann Street and Sophia Street. Any traffic removed from Holtermann Street will 

naturally flow to these other streets. For ease of discussion, this group with be called the Core 

Impacted Group (CIG). The majority of CIG respondents (56.6%) support retaining the 

existing traffic arrangements. The majority of Holtermann Street residents (60.5%) do not 

support retaining the existing traffic arrangements. 

Just 6.1% of survey respondents support Option 2, a half road closure on the northern side of 

Holtermann Street, just east of Alexander Lane. It is therefore recommended that this option 

be abandoned.




Just 4.7% of survey respondents support Option 3A, a “No Right Turn” restriction for 

westbound vehicles on Ernest Street into West Street. It is therefore recommended that this 

option be abandoned. 

18.6% of survey respondents support Option 3B, a “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon - Fri” 

restriction for westbound vehicles on Ernest Street into West Street. 22.0% of CIG 

respondents support Option 3B and 33.7% of Holtermann Street respondents support Option 

3B. Given the still relatively low support for this option, it is recommended that it be 

abandoned. 

Just 7.5% of survey respondents support Option 4A a “No Right Turn” restriction for 

southbound vehicles on West Street into Holtermann Street. It is therefore recommended that 

this option be abandoned. 


restriction for southbound vehicles on West Street into Holtermann Street. 38.5% of CIG 


4B. There is clear majority support from Holtermann Street respondents for this option. 

However, given the CIG and wider community do not support the proposal, it is difficult to 

recommend that Council proceed with Option 4B. 

Just 11.7% of survey respondents support Option 5A a “No Right Turn” restriction for 

westbound vehicles on Ernest Street into Sophia Street. It is therefore recommended that this 

option be abandoned. 


restriction for westbound vehicles on Ernest Street into Sophia Street. 39.0% of CIG 


5B. There is clear majority support from Holtermann Street respondents for this option. 

However, given the CIG and wider community do not support the proposal, it is difficult to 

recommend that Council proceed with Option 5B.


2. Half road 

closure 

4. No Right 

Turn West into 

Holtermann 

5. No Right Turn 

Ernest into Sophia 


Ernest into West


DECISION OF 3582nd COUNCIL & COUNCIL (ASSESSMENTS) 

MEETING HELD ON 08 AUGUST 2011 

524. EPS02: Holtermann Street 

Report of Cathy Edwards-Davis, Traffic Engineer, 1 August 2011 

Following a resident survey, Council submitted a Traffic Management Plan to the 

RTA seeking approval for the installation of a “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – 

Fri” restriction for southbound motorists on West Street, preventing them from 

turning into Holtermann Street. 

The RTA has written to Council indicating that they do not support the installation of 

this No Right Turn restriction. 

The matter was considered at the North Sydney Traffic Committee meeting on the 22 

July 2011 where it was resolved that a report be prepared for the next Council 

meeting. 

Recommending: 


RESOLVED: 

THAT the Mayor write to the Director-General of the Roads and Maritime Services 

regarding approval for the installation of a “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” 

restriction for southbound motorists on West Street and that the Traffic Committee’s 

recommendation be proceeded with in regards to the right turn from West Street into 

Holtermann Street due to support of community impacted. 

The Motion was moved by Councillor Zimmerman and seconded by Councillor 

Baker. 

Voting was as follows: 

Unanimous 

Councillor Yes No Councillor Yes No 

McCaffery Y Zimmerman Y 

Gibson Out Baker Y 

Christie Y Robjohns Y 

Reymond Y Carland Y 

Marchandeau Y Burke Y 

Raymond Y Pearson Y 

Barbour 

Y 

ADOPTED


ITEM EPS02 REPORTS 08/08/11 


Report to General Manager 

Attachments: 

Diagram 

Correspondence (5422850) 

SUBJECT: 

Holtermann Street 

AUTHOR: Cathy Edwards-Davis, Traffic Engineer, 1 August 2011 

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: 

Following a resident survey, Council submitted a Traffic Management Plan to the RTA 

seeking approval for the installation of a “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” restriction 

for southbound motorists on West Street, preventing them from turning into Holtermann 

Street. 

The RTA has written to Council indicating that they do not support the installation of this No 

Right Turn restriction. 

The matter was considered at the North Sydney Traffic Committee meeting on the 22 July 

2011 where it was resolved that a report be prepared for the next Council meeting. 



Signed: 

Endorsed by: 

Director of Engineering & Property Services


Report of Cathy Edwards-Davis, Traffic Engineer – 1 August 2011 

Re: Holtermann Street 

(2) 

LINK TO DELIVERY PROGRAM 

The relationship with the Delivery Program is as follows: 

Direction: 

Goal: 

2 Our Built Environment 

2.5 Improve Traffic Management 

BACKGROUND 

Following a resident survey, Council submitted a Traffic Management Plan to the RTA 

seeking approval for the installation of a “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” restriction 

for southbound motorists on West Street, preventing them from turning into Holtermann 

Street. 

The RTA has written to Council indicating that they do not support the installation of this No 

Right Turn restriction. 

The matter was considered at the North Sydney Traffic Committee meeting on the 22 July 

2011 where it was resolved that a report be prepared for the next Council meeting. 

SUSTAINABILITY STATEMENT 

The sustainability implications are of a minor nature and as such did not warrant a detailed 

assessment. 

DETAIL 

Council installed a roundabout at the intersection of Holtermann Street and Alexander Street, 

Crows Nest in December 2009. Since the roundabout was installed vehicle volumes have 

increased on Holtermann Street, particularly in the morning peak. As part of the approval for 

the roundabout, Council resolved that if after 12 months the daily volume of vehicles in 

Holtermann Street was greater than 2,800 then Council would re-survey the community to 

determine their opinion on a range of traffic modifications. 

The relevant traffic count data is as follows: 

Street 

Holtermann 

Street 

Time of 

Count 

November 

2010 

June 2010 

Direction AADT AM Peak PM Peak 

85 th 

percentile 

(km/h) 

Eastbound 1520 106 194 48 

Westbound 1967 295 173 48 

Both 3,486 382 345 48 

Eastbound 1,413 101 166 48 

Westbound 1,785 313 142 48 

Both 3,197 414 283 48 

Eastbound 1,158 104 142 48 

September 

2007 Westbound 1,170 146 103 49




(3) 

Street 

Ernest Street 

Burlington 

Street 

Time of 

Count 

November 

2010 

September 

2007 

November 

2010 

September 

2007 

Direction AADT AM Peak PM Peak 

85 th 

percentile 

(km/h) 

Both 2,328 251 245 49 

Eastbound 4,797 370 598 56 

Westbound 8,042 687 576 52 

Both 12,839 1057 1131 54 

Eastbound 4902 346 579 58 

Westbound 8645 692 654 52 

Both 13,548 1,037 1,190 56 

Eastbound 1,356 167 110 47 

Westbound 1,130 87 101 44 

Both 2,485 254 211 46 

Eastbound 1,352 144 143 43 

Westbound 1,663 237 159 47 

Both 3,015 381 303 46 

In summary, since the installation of the roundabout, Holtermann Street has experienced an 

increase of 1,158 vehicles per day. Ernest Street (-709) and Burlington Street (-530) have 

experienced a combined decrease of 1,239 vehicles per day. 

Survey 

The Holtermann Street survey was sent out on the 23 February 2011 and the community was 

given until 25 March 2011 to respond. A total of 1,672 surveys were sent out and Council 

received 574 responses. This represents a response rate of 34.3% which is very high. 

The survey provided the following results: 

Option Description 

1 Retain the existing traffic arrangements in 

Holtermann Street and Ernest Street 

2 A half road closure on the northern side of 

Holtermann Street, just east of Alexander 

Lane 

3A A “No Right Turn” restriction for 

westbound vehicles on Ernest Street into 

West Street 

3B A “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” 

restrictions for westbound vehicles on 

Ernest Street into West Street 

4A A “No Right Turn” restriction for 

southbound vehicles on West Street into 


4B A “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” 

restriction for southbound vehicles on West 

Street into Holtermann Street 

Holtermann 

St resident 

support % 

CIG * 

support 

% 

39.5 56.6 68.8 

16.3 8.8 6.1 

15.1 6.8 4.7 

33.7 22.0 18.6 

22.1 12.2 7.5 

73.3 38.5 22.8 

Overall 

community 

support %




(4) 

Option Description 

Holtermann 

St resident 

support % 

CIG * 

support 

% 

5A A No Right Turn” restriction for westbound 23.3 16.1 11.7 

vehicles on Ernest Street into Sophia Street 

5B A “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” 67.4 39.0 25.8 

restriction for westbound vehicles on Ernest 

Street into Sophia Street 

6 Another arrangement (please describe) 55 suggestions provided 

Overall 

community 

support % 

* All respondents to the survey are impacted by the proposals. The people most directly 

impacted by the various options are the residents in Burlington Lane, Burlington Street, 

Ernest Street, Holtermann Street and Sophia Street. Any traffic removed from Holtermann 

Street will naturally flow to these other streets. For ease of discussion, this group will be 

called the Core Impacted Group (CIG). 

Traffic Committee 29 April 2011 

The survey results above were considered at the North Sydney Traffic Committee meeting on 

the 29 April 2011 where it was resolved: 

Recommending: 




THAT Council submit a traffic management plan to the RTA for a No Right Turn 

6am-10am Mon-Fri restriction for southbound vehicles on West Street into 

Holtermann Street (east) 

This recommendation was subsequently adopted by Council on the 15 May 2011. 

Impact of the Proposed No Right Turn (Option 4B) 

A “No Right Turn 6am – 10am Monday – Friday” restriction would reduce vehicle volumes 

by reducing the “rat run” of traffic from Cammeray/ West Street, through Holtermann Street 

and then to Alexander Street/ Crows Nest/ St Leonards and beyond. 

An analysis demonstrates that it is likely that 512 vehicles will be displaced during the 6am to 

10am Monday to Friday time period if the proposal were to proceed. This will result in the 

following traffic modifications: 

Street 

Previous Traffic 

Volumes 

(Sept 2007) 

Existing Traffic 

Volumes 

(Nov 2010) 

Calculated 

Traffic 

Changes 

with NRT 

Future Traffic 

Volumes 

6am- 10am AADT 6am-10am AADT 6am-10am 6am-10am AADT 

Holtermann St 711 2,328 995 3,486 -512 483 2,974 

Ernest St 3,418 13,548 3,281 12,839 +143 3,424 12,982 

Burlington St 930 3,015 668 2,485 +369 1,037 2,854




(5) 

The above numbers demonstrate that should this proposal proceed it is likely that both Ernest 

Street and Burlington Street will experience greater vehicles volumes in the time period of 

6am – 10am than they did prior to the installation of the roundabout. However, over the 

entire day, they will still experience slightly lower vehicle volumes than they did prior to the 

installation of the roundabout. Conversely, Holtermann Street will experience lower vehicles 

volumes in the time period of 6am – 10am, which is the intent of the proposal. Over the 

entire day, Holtermann Street will still have higher vehicle volumes than they did prior to the 

installation of the roundabout. It should be noted that the projected AADT for Holtermann 

Street and Burlington Street will now be almost equal, which is appropriate given they are 

both residential streets, albeit on the edge of a major shopping precinct. 

A sensitivity analysis was also submitted to the RTA as part of the Traffic Management Plan. 

It demonstrated that under a variety of scenarios, the above general comments remain true. 

RTA Correspondence 

Council staff submitted a Traffic Management Plan to the RTA for the No Right Turn 

restriction on the 9 June 2011. 

On the 1 July 2011, the RTA provided the following response: 

Thank your for your letter and attached Traffic Management Plan (TMP) regarding 

Council's proposal for a time restricted right turn restriction to be introduced on West 

Street into Holtermann Street (East) 

Council's letter to the community of 23 RD February 2011 states "If a change in the 

existing traffic arrangements at these locations is not considered warranted by the 

community, then these proposals may not proceed". The results of the consultation 

process clearly reflect the wishes of the local community for no changes to be made to 

the existing traffic flow arrangements at West Street / Holtermann Street (East). 

Given that the local community has clearly indicated its satisfaction with existing 

traffic flow arrangements, the RTA can not support Council's proposal for a time 

restrictive right turn restriction on West Street at Holtermann Street (East).

ATTACHMENT TO NoRM02 TO EPS02 - 18/03/13 - 08/08/11 

Page 41 

Page 6 

2. Half road 

closure 

4. No Right 

Turn West into 

Holtermann 


Ernest into Sophia 


Ernest into West


ATTACHMENT TO EPS02 - 08/08/11 Page 7 

M¡ Transport 

Roads & Traffic 

NSW 

GO/ERNMENT Authority 

I July 201 I 

Holtermann - Nth Syd20l 10701 

Ms Cathy Edwards-Davis 

North Sydney Council 

200 Miller Street 

North Sydney NSW 2060 

Dear Cathy 

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Holtermann Street- No Right Tum TMP 

Thank your for your letter. and attached Trafflc Management Plan (TMP) regarding Council's proposal for a 

time restricted right turn restriction to be introduced on West Street into Holtermann Street (East) 

Council's letter to the community of 23RD February 20 | I states " lf a change in the existing tnffic anangements 

at these locations is not considered wananted by the cornmunity, then these proposals may not proceed". 

The results ofthe consultation process clearly reflectthe wishes of the local communityfor no changesto be 

made to the existing trafflc flow arrangements at West Street / Holtermann Street (East). 

Given that the local community has cleady indicated its satisfaction with existing traffìc flow arangements, the 

RTA can not support Council's proposai for atìme restriclive righttum restriction on West Street at 

Holtermann Street (East). 

Should you wish to discuss the above matter please contact John Begley on 02-8895-2295. 

Yours sincerely / faìthfully 

Kevill 

Tr:afflc 

- North 

Roads and Trafüc AuthoriÇ of New South Wales 

Level 7, 27 - 3l Argyle Street , Panamatta NSW 2150 | 

T 02 8849 729s I F 02 8849 7794 | www.rta.nsw.gov.au I 

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NSW 

GOVERNMENT 

Transport 


c81112723 

DG11t11024 

Councillor Genia McCaffery 

Mayor 


PO Box 12 

NORTH SYDNEY NSW 2059 

NONTH SYDNEY TOIST,I 

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2 I DEC 20fl 

UflNEÐ DW 

Dear Councillor 

Thank you for your letter requesting a'No Right Turn 6am - 

1Oam, Monday to Friday' 

restriction for southbound motorists on West Street into Holtermann Street, Crows Nest, 

I have taken careful note of your comments. 

As you are aware, North Sydney Council has resolved that this restriction be installed for 

southbound motorists on West Street into Holtermann Street. 

Roads and Maritime Services (RMS) advises that it will agree to a six month trial of the 

restriction at this location. However, the council would need to monitor eommunity 

attitude and assess the support for the restriction at the end of the trial. This would be 

similar to the trial that was conducted in October 2009 at Prospect Avenue and 

Macpherson Street, Cremorne. 

I trust the above information is of assistance. For more information please contact 

Mr Greg Kevill, Road Network Manager, at RMS on (02) 8849 2963. 

Yours sincerely 

eÞ\c *æ/z/r, 

Chris Lock 

Acting Director General 

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DECISION OF 3597 th COUNCIL MEETING 

HELD ON 27 FEBRUARY 2012 

63. EPS01: Report of 467 th Traffic Committee 

3. (4.4) Minor Traffic Investigations 

Report of Traffic Engineer, Aurelio Lindaya, 21 January 2011 

Attached is a list of recommendations made for minor traffic investigations. 

Recommending: 

THAT the recommendations made for minor traffic investigations be adopted. 

Mr Van addressed the Committee. 


Re: Item (1) Holtermann Street & West Street, Crows Nest 

THAT Council install “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” signage on West Street 

into Holtermann Street for a trial period of six months and the matter be reviewed in 

six months time. 

THAT Council circulate a letter to residents notifying them of the change. 

Re: Item (2) Murdoch Street, Cremorne 

THAT Council install “Keep Clear” markings on the road at Bennett Street instead of 

a “Do Not Queue Across Intersection” sign. 

THAT the remainder of the recommendations be adopted. 

Voting was unanimous.


Item 4 . 4 - Traffic - 3/2/12 



Attach List of recommendations 

RMS letter 

SUBJECT: 

(4.4) Minor Traffic Investigations 

AUTHOR: Report of Traffic Engineer, Aurelio Lindaya, 21 January 2011 


Attached is a list of recommendations made for minor traffic investigations. 

. 


THAT the recommendations made for minor traffic investigations be adopted.


MINOR TRAFFIC INVESTIGATIONS 

TRAFFIC COMMITTEE 467 th 3 FEBRUARY 2012 

Street Location Precinct, 

Ward 

1 Holterma 

nn Street 

& West 

Street, 

Crows 

Nest 

West Street 

at 

Holtermann 

Street 

Holterman 

n, 

Wollstone 

craft 

Issue/ Request Investigation Rec Signs & 

Lines 

Priority 

The Roads & Maritime 

Services have agreed to 

a six month trial of a 

“No Right Turn 6am- 

10am Mon-Fri” 

restriction on West 

Street into Holtermann 

Street. 

This matter was considered by the Traffic 

Committee on 22 July 2011 and, at the 

Council meeting on 8 August 2011, it was 

resolved: 

THAT the Mayor write to the Director- 

General of the Roads and Maritime Services 

regarding approval for the installation of a 

“No Right Turn 6am – 10am Mon – Fri” 

restriction for southbound motorists on West 

Street and that the Traffic Committee’s 

recommendation be proceeded with in regards 

to the right turn from West Street into 

Holtermann Street due to support of 

community impacted. 

THAT Council 

install “No Right 

Turn 6am-10am 

Mon-Fri” signage on 

West Street into 


for a trial period of 

six months and the 

matter be reviewed 

in six months time. 

Standard/ 

Guideline 

Datawo 

rks 

2 AS 1742.2 5622750 

The Mayor wrote to the Director-General of 

Roads and Maritime Services on 19 August 

2011 and 15 December 2011. 

2 Murdoch 

Street, 

Cremorn 

e 

At Bennett 

Street 

Bennett, 

Cremorne 

A resident of Cremorne 

has noted that this 

intersection is often 

clogged with traffic on 

Murdoch Street and has 

requested a “Do Not 

Block Intersection” 

sign. 

The reponse from the Acting Director General 

of Roads and Maritime Services is attached. 

Bennett Street is approximately 100 metres 

from the Rangers Road traffic signals. There 

is a “No Right Turn 6am-10am Mon-Fri” 

restriction into Bennett Street from Murdoch 

Street. 

ARR 128 Entering Blocked Intersections 

states A driver must not enter an intersection 

if the driver cannot drive through the 

intersection because the intersection, or a 

road beyond the intersection, is blocked. 

THAT Council 

install a “Do Not 

Queue Across 

Intersection” sign in 

Murdoch Street at 

Bennett Street 

3 ARR 128 

RMS 

Delineation 

Guildelines 

5595516 

“Do Not Queue Across Intersection” is an 

advisory sign which may assist vehicles to


Ward 



Lines 

Priority 

turn to and from Bennett Street when traffic is 

queued at the Rangers Road traffic signals. 

Standard/ 

Guideline 

Datawo 

rks 

3 Ridge 

Street, 

North 

Sydney 

Between 

West Street 

and Miller 

Street 

Hayberry, 

Victoria 

RMS has forwarded 

correspondence to 

Council concerning 

motorists and cyclists 

disregarding the speed 

limit in Ridge Street 

during morning and 

afternoon School Zone 

periods with a 

suggestion for a School 

Crossing Supervisor 

and/or flashing School 

Zone lights. 

Traffic counts obtained in 2003 indicate a 

weekly 85 th percentile speed of 48 km/h 

overall. 32% of vehicles travelled at 40km/h 

or higher between 8am-9am and 32% of 

vehicles travelled at 40km/h or higher 

between 3pm-4pm on school days. 

As the Traffic Committee is aware a raised 

pedestrian crossing was installed in Ridge 

Street as part of the 2010/2011 Traffic 

Strategy to improve safety for school children 

crossing the road. The raised threshold also 

assists in reducing vehicle speeds. 

THAT the request 

for flashing School 

Zone lights in Ridge 

Street be referred to 

RMS for 

consideration. 

N/A AS 1742.2 5578628 

Flashing lights may assist in reducing vehicle 

speeds further during operation of the School 

Zone. 

4 Rosalind 

Street, 

Cammera 

y 

Between 

West Street 

and Miller 

Street 

Registry, 

Tunks 

A resident of Rosalind 

Street has raised 

concerns about 

motorists using 

Rosalind Street as a rat 

run to access Miller 

Street and the 

Warringah Freeway 

and disregarding the 

speed limit. The 

resident has suggested 

Council install speed 

humps to calm traffic. 

The School Crossing Supervisor program is 

managed by RMS. 

Traffic counts obtained in November 2007 

reveal an ADT of 288 east-bound vehicles, 

311 west-bound vehicles and an 85 th 

percentile speed of 48km/h in Rosalind Street. 

5.2% of the vehicles are heavy vehicles. 

The traffic volumes are below the RTA Guide 

to Traffic Generating Developments 

environmental capacity goal of 200 vehicles 

per hour for a local road. Further the 85 th 

percentile speed is below the default urban 

speed limit of 50km/h. 

It would be difficult to justify the installation 

of speed humps in Rosalind Street given the 

relatively low traffic volume and vehicle 

speeds, however the volume of heavy vehicles 

THAT the 

information be 

received. 

N/A AS1742.2 5600888


Ward 



Lines 

Priority 

is slightly higher than desirable. 

Standard/ 

Guideline 

Datawo 

rks 

5 Young 

Street, 

Neutral 

Bay 

At Military 

Road and at 

Grosvenor 

Lane 

Parks, 

Tunks 

A resident of Cremorne 

has raised the following 

concerns: 

1. Safety of 

pedestrians when 

crossing near 

Military Road due 

to the speed of 

vehicles turning 

from Military 

Road. 

2. Safety of 

pedestrians due to 

vehicles reversing 

in Young Street to 

turn into Grosvenor 

Lane. Request a 

“No Reverse – to 

protect 

pedestrians” or a 

more formal 

pedestrian crossing 

Garden beds in Rosalind Street to narrow the 

street as a form of traffic calming are listed 

for consideration as part of the Traffic 

Strategy review and may be a more suitable 

treatment for this street than speed humps. 

1. Motorists turning left from Military Road 

into Young Street can reasonably expect 

pedestrians to be crossing the road near 

the intersection and are required under the 

Australian Road Rules to give way to 

pedestrians crossing in Young Street. 

There is a traffic island at the intersection 

to assist pedestrians to cross Young Street 

in two intervals. There is also warning 

signage at the intersection reminding 

turning motorists to watch for 

pedestrians.There were no accidents 

recorded in the past 5 years of available 

RMS accident data. 

Council is currently undertaking an audit 

of all pedestrian facilities across the LGA 

to identify where safety improvements 

can be made. 

2. It is not desirable for vehicles to reverse 

in busy shopping areas with significant 

pedestrian activity. However there is no 

regulatory sign to prohibit such 

movements and it would therefore not be 

easily enforced. There is pedestrian 

fencing, kerb extensions and landscaping 

near Grosvenor Lane to guide pedestrians 

to preferred crossing points with reduced 

crossing distances. 

THAT the 

information be 

received. 

N/A ARR 73 

ARR 296 

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NSW 

GOVERNMENT 

Transport 


c81112723 

DG11t11024 

Councillor Genia McCaffery 

Mayor 


PO Box 12 

NORTH SYDNEY NSW 2059 

NONTH SYDNEY TOIST,I 

r{ECF"l DD S 

2 I DEC 20fl 

UflNEÐ DW 

Dear Councillor 

Thank you for your letter requesting a'No Right Turn 6am - 

1Oam, Monday to Friday' 

restriction for southbound motorists on West Street into Holtermann Street, Crows Nest, 

I have taken careful note of your comments. 

As you are aware, North Sydney Council has resolved that this restriction be installed for 

southbound motorists on West Street into Holtermann Street. 

Roads and Maritime Services (RMS) advises that it will agree to a six month trial of the 

restriction at this location. However, the council would need to monitor eommunity 

attitude and assess the support for the restriction at the end of the trial. This would be 

similar to the trial that was conducted in October 2009 at Prospect Avenue and 

Macpherson Street, Cremorne. 

I trust the above information is of assistance. For more information please contact 

Mr Greg Kevill, Road Network Manager, at RMS on (02) 8849 2963. 

Yours sincerely 

eÞ\c *æ/z/r, 

Chris Lock 

Acting Director General 

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