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GEL/210/12
Date: 20 February 2008
Subcommittee GEL/210/12 -
EMC – Basic and generic standards
(of Technical committee GEL/210 -
EMC – Policy)
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF GEL/210/12 HELD ON 23 JANUARY 2008 AT
BRITISH STANDARDS HOUSE, 389 CHISWICK HIGH ROAD, LONDON W4 4AL.
PRESENT
Mr P Kerry (Chairman)
Mr M Alexander NPL Mr J Flood EMC TLA
Dr L Arnaut Co-opted Mr R Hughes AMDEA
Mr A Bennette PLASA Mr D Imeson EMC TLA
Mr D Carpenter BT Mr B Jones Intellect
Mr S Colclough EMC IA Mr R Marshall Radio Society of GB
Mr J Cryer HSE Ms A Nothofer Co-opted
Mr John Davies EMC TLA Mr J M Woodgate PLASA
Mr D Eardley Intellect Mr P Wright NPL
Mr K Fisher
Co-opted
Mrs G D Salt (Secretary)
Item Agenda topic BSI ref.
1. Apologies for absence
Apologies for absence were received from Mr P Archer, Ms C Ashman, Mr S Auty, Mr L Barling, Mr A
Blades, Mr P Carter, Mr G Finlay, Mr R Hoad, Mr J Laydon, Mr I Marshall, Mr J White, Mr M Wiles and
Dr A Wraight.

2. Constitution and membership
Due to the merging of GEL/2108 and GEL/210/12, the membership of both committees had been
merged. Mr Kerry advised that the Champion Spreadsheet required updating to reflect the SC 77A
area of expertise.
The Scope of the Committee had been amended to:
Under the direction of GEL/210 to prepare British Standards and Codes of practice on the limits of
electromagnetic compatibility relating to Basic, Generic and low frequency phenomena EMC
standardization and to participate in any corresponding International and European activities and to
advise the British Electrotechnical Committee on such work. Acts as a mirror committee for providing
the UK response as regards voting and comments on electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) generated
by the following International/European standards bodies: IEC/CISPRA/A, IEC/CISPR/H, IEC/TC 77,
IEC/SC 77A, IEC/SC 77B, IEC/SC 77C, CENELEC TC/210.
Dr Luk Arnaut had been co-opted from NPL.
Mr John Laydon of EMCTLA had replaced Mr Webb.
Mr Duggan who had represented the Heating, Ventilating and Air conditioning Industry was no longer
on the committee and this organisation no longer required representation.
Dr Hargis of GAMBICA was no longer on the Committee.
3. Confirmation of the minutes of the meeting of GEL/210/8 held on 4
September 2007
The minutes of the meeting were confirmed with the following correction
which is underlined:
Item 5.3: Amend the fourth sentence to read: ‘Mr Hughes advised that the
Australian version of IEC 60950 (TC 108) had once before contained a
requirement to test DC component of leakage current.’
4. Matters arising from the minutes of the meeting of GEL/210/8 held on 4
September 2007
4.1 Item 5.3 of the minutes – Action on Mr Woodgate to investigate a test method
for limits for even harmonic current emissions
It was decided to close this matter as far as GEL/210/12 was concerned as
there was no further evidence. However, it was agreed that it could be raised
in PEL/22. Mr Woodgate would send the Secretary a new document on this
to pass to PEL/22.
ACTION: MR WOODGATE
4.2 Item 6.2.1 of the minutes – Action on the Chairman to contact ENA to find a
UK expert for SC 77A WG8 and PT 61000-3-15
This action was closed as there appeared to be no interest from ENA.
5. Confirmation of the Minutes of the meeting of GEL/210/12 held on 6
September 2007.
The minutes of the meeting were confirmed.
6. Matters arising from the Minutes of the meeting of GEL/210/12 held on 6
September 2007.
6.1 Item 4.1 of the minutes – Action on the Secretary to report back from Mr
Graham on the need to clarify the IEC Directives regarding the maintenance
procedure
The Secretary reported that Mr Graham had advised that the IEC/DMT would
be reviewing the maintenance procedure to see if experience showed that it
had proved to have any actual advantages over the ISO five year rule so the
GEL/210 view would be borne in mind at that point. He also advised that the
DMT only worked on tasks given to it by SMB so in the future it would be
better if GEL/210 could pursue proposals through CISPR and following a
discussion of a meeting report SMB could approve the submission of the item
to the DMT.
GEL/210/8_0
7_0093
GEL/210/12_
07_0180
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6.2 Item 4.4 of the minutes – Action on Mr Alexander to request a corrigendum to
CISPR 16-1-4 Ed. 2
This action dated back to a UK comment at FDIS stage concerning an
incorrect sentence on broadband antennas. It had been agreed that Mr
Alexander would request a corrigendum once the new Chairman of CISPR/A
was in place. It was now time to put in the request.
ACTION: MR ALEXANDER
7. IEC SC 77A
7.1 SC 77A Documents for discussion requiring a UK response:
7.1.1 77A/612/CDV IEC 61000-3-2 A2f6 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part
3-2 Limits - Limits for harmonic current emissions (equipment input current =
16 A per phase
A positive vote was agreed with the following editorial comment:
Page 3, clause 7.3b) The last sentence should be written as follows (changed
text is underlined):
‘The current threshold is 5% of the highest absolute peak value that occurs in
the measurement window...’
ACTION: SECRETARY
7.1.2 77A/625/FDIS IEC 61000-3-2 A1 Ed.3 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) -
Part 3-2 Limits - Limits for harmonic current emissions (equipment input
current = 16 A per phase)
A positive vote was agreed.
ACTION: SECRETARY
Intellect considered that an early revision of this standard should be
considered and an action was put on members to check repeatability of subclause
6.2.31 to see if the new wording would help to resolve the problems
experienced in the past.
ACTION: MEMBERS
7.1.3 77A/627/CD IEC 61000-4-13 A1 Ed.1 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) -
Part 4-13 Testing and measurement techniques - Harmonics and
interharmonics including mains signalling at a.c. power port, low frequency
immunity tests
The CD was supported without comment.
ACTION: SECRETARY
7.1.4 77A/628/CD IEC 61000-4-14 A2 Ed.1 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) -
Part 4-14 Testing and measurement techniques - Voltage fluctuation
immunity test
The CD was supported without comment.
ACTION: SECRETARY
7.1.5 77A/629/CD IEC 61000-4-8 Ed.2 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part
4-8 Testing and measurement techniques - Power frequency magnetic field
immunity test
The Committee was not very interested in this standard and no comment
would be sent.
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7.1.6 77A/630/CD IEC 61000-4-16 A2 Ed1 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) -
Part 4-16 Testing and measurement techniques - Test for immunity to
conducted, common mode disturbances in the frequency range 0 Hz to 150
kHz
The CD was supported without comment.
ACTION: SECRETARY
7.1.7 77A/631/CD IEC 61000-4-34 A1 Ed.1 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) -
Part 4-34 Testing and measurement techniques - Voltage dips, short
interruptions and voltage variations immunity tests for equipment with input
current more than 16 A per phase
The CD was supported without comment. It was noted that this solved the
problem in the current edition.
ACTION: SECRETARY
7.1.8 77A/632/CDV Amendment to IEC 61000-4-17 Electromagnetic compatibility
(EMC) - Part 4-17 Testing and measurement techniques - Ripple on d.c. input
power port immunity test
This project had progressed straight to CDV stage as the WG considered it to
be a minimal change. Mr Jones considered that although this document came
within TC 77, the UK should request that references be dated in order to align
with current policy in CISPR. He was asked to draft a comment giving an
example of the impact if references were not dated. The UK would submit a
negative vote.
ACTION: MR JONES, SECRETARY
7.1.9 77A/633/CDV Amendment 1 to IEC 61000-4-27 Electromagnetic compatibility
(EMC) - Part 4-27 Testing and measurement techniques - Unbalance,
immunity test
A positive vote was agreed.
ACTION: SECRETARY
7.1.10 77A/634/CDV Amendment to IEC 61000-4-28 Electromagnetic compatibility
(EMC) - Part 4-28 Testing and measurement techniques - Variation of power
frequency, immunity test
A positive vote was agreed.
ACTION: SECRETARY
7.1.11 77A/638/CD IEC/TR 61000-3-14 Ed.1 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) -
Part 3-14 Assessment of emission limits for the connection of disturbing
installations to LV power systems
There was no comment.
7.2 Other SC 77A documents for consideration – see also SC 77A
documents for noting under Item 10 of this agenda
7.2.1 Report from Stephen Colclough of the meeting of SC 77A held in Sydney, 18
and 19 September 2007
The report was noted. There had been a lot of discussion on WG1 work.
7.2.2 77A/610/RM Unconfirmed minutes of the IEC SC 77A Plenary Meeting held
in Sydney, September 18th and 19th, 2007
Noted.
7.2.3 77A/613/INF Correspondence Follow-up of SC77A Plenary Meeting in
Sydney (Sept 2007)
Noted.
7.2.4 77A/594A/INF Revised Report on the activity of SC 77A/WG 6 between the
2005 and 2007 plenary meetings
Noted.
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7.2.5 Report from Stephen Colclough of the meeting of SC 77A WG6 held in Milan
11 and 12 October 2007
Noted.
7.2.6 Report of the meetings of IEC SC77AWG1 and Task Forces, Tokyo,
November 12 - 17 2007, from Mr Woodgate
Noted.
7.2.7 Report from Mr Colclough of the meeting of SC 77A/WG1/TF2 EMC, Low
Frequency Phenomena, WG 1, Task Force 2, held 13 November 2007 in
Tokyo, Japan
Noted.
7.2.8 77A/626/INF Measurement Uncertainty within TC 77
It was noted that the Swiss New Work Proposal on this subject should be
issued by the end of the week.
7.2.9 77A/614A/INF Revised Report of Comments on 77A/605/DC 5th Harmonic
Compatibility Level in IEC Standards 61000-2-2, 61000-2-4 and 61000-2-12 -
Call for information
Noted.
7.2.10 77A/608/INF Future work Proposal to be considered during SC77A meeting
in Sydney (77A/588A/DA, item 6.1.6)-IEC TR 61000-1-X Classification of
products for determining limits for low-frequency conducted emissions into
the public mains supply network
Noted.
7.2.11 77A/609/INF Future work Proposal to be considered during SC77A Plenary
meeting in Sydney (77A/588A/DA, item 6.1.6) - IEC TR61000-1-Y Model for
the calculation of limits for conducted emissions into the public mains supply
network
Noted.
7.2.12 77A/635/RVC Result of voting on 77A/579/CDV IEC 61000-3-2A1f7 ed3
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 3-2 Limits - Limits for harmonic
current emissions (equipment input current = 16 A per phase)
Noted.
7.2.13 77A/636/RVC Result of voting on 77A/582/CDV IEC 61000-3-2 A1f8 Ed.3 -
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 3-2 Limits - Limits for harmonic
current emissions (equipment input current = 16 A per phase)
Noted.
7.2.14 77A/637/RVC Result of voting on 77A/575/DTR IEC 61000-3-6 Ed.2
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 3-6 Assessment of harmonic
emission limits for the connection of distorting installations to MV, HV and
EHV power systems
Noted.
7.2.15 77A/639/INF New Project proposed by IEC TC 85: Power Quality Monitoring
Devices in power supply systems
Noted.
8. CISPR/B (of possible interest to former GEL/210/8 Members)
8.1 CIS/B/452/INF Subject Grid connected power conditioners
Noted.
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9. TC 77
9.1 PowerPoint slide prepared by Mr Imeson on functional safety and overlap
between TC77 MT15 and SC 65A
Mr Imeson presented the above and the Committee considered an email from
Keith Armstrong on 65A/504/NP together with the replies received and
document 77/353A/DC: Distribution of SC65A/504/NP to IEC TC77. This
document cancelled and replaced 77/353/DC.
It was agreed that the UK would nominate Mr Armstrong and Mr Cryer to
participate.
ACTION: SECRETARY
9.2 Report from Richard Hoad of the meeting of TC 77 held 21 September 2007
in Sydney
Noted.
9.3 77/347/RM Preliminary Minutes for the meeting held in Sydney, Australia, on
21st September 2007
Noted.
9.4 Report from Mr Carpenter of the meeting of IEC TC77 WG13 held in Tokyo,
Japan 19 - 21 November 2007
The purpose of the meeting had been to progress the revision of IEC
Technical Report (TR) 61000-2-5 – Classification of Electromagnetic
Environments.
It was had been proposed that all environments be derived from the overlap
of three archetypical environments: Domestic, Commercial and Industrial.
Mr Carpenter reported that the outcome was likely to be a much simpler set
of environmental conditions which would not result in too much change to the
generic standard. It was agreed that it was desirable to have as few
conditions as possible. Mr Carpenter would distribute the content in
GEL/210/12 when this was discussed next time.
ACTION: MR CARPENTER
9.5 Report from Mr Armstrong of the 9th meeting of TC 77 MT15 held in
Maulberg, Germany, 3-5 December 2007
Noted. All the comments from the national committees had been discussed.
9.6 Final consolidated version of the comments on 77/344/CD IEC 61000-1-2 as
received by GEL 210/12/1, discussed and modified by them on the 19 Oct 07,
and approved by GEL 210 on 8th November 2007.
Noted.
9.7 77/349/INF Measurement Uncertainty within TC 77
At the meeting of GEL/210/12 held 6 September 2007 consideration was
given to producing a simplified document on uncertainty for use by nonmathematicians.
The Swiss national committee had wanted a JWG with
CISPR on this and was putting in a formal NP. It was recommended that the
UK accepted the NP when issued. Regarding a simplified document on the
subject, Mr Carpenter had a separate draft which was a basic introduction to
measurement uncertainty. Mr Carpenter would circulate this to the committee
for development. Mr Alexander volunteered to be involved by
correspondence in this work. Mr Imeson also nominated Phil Carter
(EMCTLA). It was suggested that the document could be an information
document/guide to CISPR 16-4.
ACTION: MR CARPENTER, MR ALEXANDER, MR CARTER, MEMBERS
9.8 77/350/INF Current Structure of IEC TC77
Noted.
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9.9 77/351/INF Current Liaisons of IEC TC 77 and its Subcommittees
Noted.
9.10 77/352/INF New Strategic Business Plan (SBP) of TC 77
Noted.
9.11 77/354/RQ Results of the questionnaire 77/334/Q Approval of the renomination
of the SC 77 ACEC representative, Mr. Diethard Moehr
Noted.
10. SC 77B
10.1 77B/559A/CDV Amendment 3 to IEC 61000-4-6 Ed. 2 Measurement
uncertainty.
It was agreed that if no comments were received by the end of March then
the UK would vote positive.
ACTION: MEMBERS, SECRETARY
10.2 77B/558/INF Measurement Uncertainty within TC 77
Mr Alexander advised that he had a document on this which was not
specifically for EMC but could be useful for members and would send it to the
Secretary for circulation.
ACTION: MR ALEXANDER
10.3 77B/562/CD IEC 61000-4-20 Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-
20 Testing and measurement techniques - Emission and immunity testing in
transverse electromagnetic (TEM) waveguides
Ms A Nothofer, as a member of the JTF TEM, reported on the preparation of
this draft. Mr Flood was pleased that this document had been issued as other
documents had been waiting for it.
Calibration was being presented in a statistical way – see Annex E. Mr Jones
was of the view that calibration was a measuring instrument in its own right
and therefore should not be in a test method document. However when the
UK had submitted this comment previously it had not been accepted.
It was agreed that it would be preferable to have a separate calibration
standard and not have this subject in an annex of IEC 61000-4-20. Mr Jones
was asked to produce a draft letter on this to TC 77 and SC 77B.
ACTION: MR JONES, SECRETARY
Comments were required by the end of February so that Ms Nothofer could
have them in time for the JTF meeting on 12 March which was before the IEC
deadline of 14 March.
ACTION: MEMBERS, MS NOTFOYER, SECRETARY
10.4 77B/563/CDV IEC 61000-4-2 Ed.2 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part
4-2 Testing and measurement techniques - Electrostatic discharge immunity
test
Mr Colclough advised that the UK had been consistently opposed to this
document and had submitted comments at the previous stage, all but one of
which had been accepted. The problem with the document was in clause 5,
lines 313, 314 and 315. Mr Colclough explained the reason for the comment
on this and it was agreed that the UK should re-state this comment from the
previous stage and vote negative. Any other comments were requested by
the first week in April.
ACTION: MEMBERS, SECRETARY
10.5 Report from Stephen Colclough of the meeting of SC 77B held 17 and 18
September 2007 in Sydney
Noted.
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10.6 77B/555/RM Unconfirmed minutes of the meeting of SC 77B held in Sydney
on September 17th, 2007
Noted.
10.7 Report from Mr Flood of the meeting of SC 77B, WG 10 held in Valencia,
Spain, 20 - 26 October 2007
Noted.
10.8 Report from John H Davies of the 6th Meeting of IEC SC77B/MT12 held 25-
27 September 2007 in Sydney, Australia
Noted.
10.9 77B/561/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-20 Ed.2 Testing and
measurement techniques - Emission and immunity testing in transverse
electromagnetic (TEM) waveguides - Basic EMC Publication
11 SC 77C
This MCR related to 77B/562/CD – see item 10.3 above. The Committee
pointed out that this MCR should have stated what work was intended and
also that as the CD was issued at the same time as the MCR, National
Committees had not been granted opportunity to add any subjects to the
scope of the work before the issuing of the CD.
The Secretary was asked to contact the Secretary and Chairman of SC 77B
advising of the above and saying that the UK would be submitting comments
on the CD separately.
ACTION: SECRETARY
11.1 Report from Mr Carpenter of the meeting of SC 77C held in Sydney 18 - 20
September 2007
Noted.
11.2 77C/178/RM Unconfirmed Minutes of Sub-Committee Meeting 77C, 20th
September 2007, Sydney, Australia
Noted.
11.3 77C/179/INF Measurement Uncertainty within TC 77
Noted.
11.4 77C/181/RQ Results of the questionnaire 77C/180/Q Approval of the renomination
of the SC 77C ACEC representative, Prof. Michel Ianoz
Noted.
12. CISPR
12.1 Report from Peter Kerry of the plenary meeting of CISPR held 17- 27
September 2007 in Sydney
Noted. Item 6 reported concern over the direction of the PLT Project Team
and that this had caused the Steering committee to issue a statement to all
national committees reminding the PLT group that their requirement was to
protect radio services.
12.2 CISPR/1149A/RM Revised Unconfirmed minutes of the meeting of the
Plenary Assembly held in Sydney, Australia 21 September 2007
Noted.
12.3 CISPR/1151/INF CISPR I PT on power line telecommunication
Noted.
13. CISPR/A
13.1 CIS/A/774/CD CISPR 16-1-4 Amd. 2 f1 Ed. 2.0 Evaluation of set-up table in
the frequency range above 1 GHz
Mr Carpenter thought that the title was incorrect as it should say ‘below’ 1
GHz not ‘above’. Members were asked to send any comments to Mr
Carpenter before the end of March.
ACTION: MEMBERS, MR CARPENTER, SECRETARY
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13.2 CIS/A/775/CD CISPR 16-1-4 Am2 f2 Ed. 2.0 Introduction of RSM
Members were asked to send any comments to Mr Alexander before the end
of March.
ACTION: MEMBERS, MR ALEXANDER, SECRETARY
13.3 Report from Martin Wiles of the meetings of CISPR/A and its WGs held 20 -
26 September 2007 in Sydney
In the absence of Mr Wiles, Mr Carpenter advised on the main items.
13.4 CIS/A/771/RM Unconfirmed minutes of the meeting of SC A held in Sydney,
Australia on 24 September 2007
Noted.
13.5 CIS/A/763/INF 77B/554/INF Report of CISPR/A-SC77B JTF Fully Absorber
Lined Rooms (FAR)
Noted.
13.6 CIS/A/762/INF 77B/552/INF Report of SC77B / CISPR/A JTF TEM Emission
and immunity testing in TEM waveguides
Noted.
13.7 Report from Mr Carpenter of the meeting of CISPR/A and CISPR/D JTF on
FFT Instrumentation held 18 - 19 December 2007 in Munich, Germany
Noted.
13.8 CIS/A/767/INF Document 77B/548/INF - Report of SC77B/CISPR JTF REV
Maintenance Cycle 1 of IEC 61000-4-21 - for the time period 15 September
2005 - 01 August 2007
Noted.
13.9 CIS/A/758/INF Compilation of comments on CIS/A/752/DC and CIS/I/234/DC
Analysis and proposed recommendations for transfer of general test
methods, test setups, etc. from CISPR 13 and CISPR 22 to CISPR 16-x-y
standards
Noted.
13.10 CIS/A/759/INF Proposed operating rules for Joint Task Forces between
CISPR/A and CISPR/D
Noted.
13.11 CIS/A/773/CC Compilation of comments on CISPR/A/753/CD CISPR 16-1-4
A2 f1 Ed.2 Evaluation of set-up table in the frequency range above 1 GHz
Noted.
14. CISPR/F
14.1 CIS/F/WG1(Conv)2007-004 Spanish proposal for ESD testing in CISPR 14-2
Material for the discussion in WG1 for the Sydney meeting
This document was to be discussed at the forthcoming CIS/F WG 1 meeting.
15. CISPR/H
15.1 Report from Mr Webb of the meeting of CISPR/H held in Sydney, Australia,
on 25 September 2007
Noted.
15.2 CIS/H/164/RM Unconfirmed minutes from the CISPR/H meeting held in
Sydney, Australia, at Crowne Plaza Darling Harbour hotel, 150 Day Street, on
Tuesday 25th September 2007
Noted.
16. CISPR/I
17. CISPR/S
No documents of interest to this committee
17.1 CIS/S/322A/RM Revised Unconfirmed minutes of the meetings of CISPR/S
held in Sydney, Australia, 18, 20 and 26 September 2007
Noted.
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18. SMB
18.1 SMB/3634/QP Extensions to the terms of office of three members to ACEC.
The three extensions were supported.
ACTION: SECRETARY
18.2 SMB/3648/R Report to the SMB following the meeting of TC 77 & SCs held in
Sydney on 2007-09-17/21
Noted.
18.3 SMB/3643/R Report to the SMB following the meeting of CISPR & SCs held
in Sydney on 2007-09-17/26
SMB/3643A/R Addendum to the Report to the SMB following the meeting of
CISPR & SCs held in Sydney on 2007-09-17/26
The above reports were noted.
19. ACEC
19.1 ACEC Report Dec 2007, from Peter Kerry
The following had volunteered for the position of ACEC Chairman at the
ACEC meeting: Peter Kerry, Martin Wright, Don Heirman, Diethard Moehr.
19.2 ACEC/267/INF Subject Call for volunteers for the Chairmanship of ACEC.
Volunteers for this position should apply directly to the ACEC Secretary by 29
February
Noted.
20. ACOS
20.1 ACOS/461/DC List of IEC standards referring to IEC 61508 (functional safety)
- ACOS meeting 2007-11-20/21, Geneva, agenda item 5.2
Noted.
21. IEC Admin Circulars/ Admin documents
21.1 AC(2007)/37/AC Collaboration Tools Suite
Noted.
21.2 Latest IEC template for submission of comments to IEC or CENELEC (Dated
7 March 2007).
Noted.
21.3 Reduction of voting times on IEC documents, extracted by Intellect from IEC
TC News
Mr Woodgate advised that he had already drafted a complaint about this
policy. Whilst IEC wanted development times reduced, TCs and SCs were
under increasing pressure to consider additional subjects in relation to
standards, e.g. functional safety, environment etc. Mr Jones advised that the
UK delegation had attempted to gain the support of other national committees
when they had raised this subject informally at CLC/TC 210 but they did not
succeed. Therefore the UK was unlikely to gain support in opposing this
policy.
22. Documents from other IEC/ISO committees
22.1 18/1074/CD IEC 60092-306 Ed.4 Electrical installations in ships - Part 306
Equipment - Luminaires and accessories
Noted.
22.2 37A/197/DC Temporary OverVoltage (TOV) - tests and Temporary
overvoltages and maximum durations to be expected in low-voltage
applications -
Noted.
22.3 23/434A/DC Electrical accessories for electrical installation for d.c.
Noted.
22.4 110/129/CDV IEC 62341-6-1 Ed. 1 Organic Light Emitting Diode Displays -
Part 6-1 Measuring Methods of Optical and Optoelectrical Parameters
Noted.
23. CENELEC/TC 210
23.1 TC210/Sec0523A/INF Next meetings of TC 210. Correction of error in
previous version. Noted.
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23.2 TC210/Sec/0532/PW TC210 program of work
Noted
23.3 Completed delegate briefing form from Ian Marshall containing the outcomes
of the meeting of CLC/TC 210 held 6 to 7 December 2007
Noted.
Mr Jones advised that there had been a general agreement at CLC/TC 210
that alternative test methods should have equal status. The referee method
should be the one chosen and agreed by the manufacturer. This agreement
would be contained in an appendix to the CLC/TC 210 minutes.
23.4 TC210/Sec0529/WG Membership of TC210 Working Groups
Noted.
23.5 TC210_WG1/Sec0144/WG WG1 Membership List
Noted.
23.6 TC210/Sec0534/INF Response from NCs to the call for members of a
working group to update R210-008 (TC210/Sec0522/DC)
Mr Imeson was the Convenor of this WG (WG9). It had held its first meeting
on 10 January. Since then an expert from the Netherlands had joined the WG
in a liaison capacity and would be attending the next meeting.
24. National Matters
No documents
25. The following documents were noted.
25.1 TC 77
25.1.1 77/346/INF USNC Response to 77/332/INF, 77/341/INF Coordinated
approach to documents on measurement uncertainty (MU) - and similar
IEC/CISPR Documents
25.1.2 77/348/INF Comment of the Belgian NC on Document TC77/342/INF (in
relation with CISPR/1144/INF) Total flexibility versus reference method
25.1.3 77/344/CD IEC TS 61000-1-2 Ed. 2 Electromagnetic compatibility - General -
Methodology for the achievement of functional safety of electrical and
electronic equipment with regard to electromagnetic phenomena
25.2 SC 77A
25.2.1 77A/611/MTG SC 77A meeting documents, Sydney 2007-09
25.2.2 77A/580A/INF Revised Report of comments Document 77A/564/DC
Maintenance programme IEC 61000-3-12 EMC Part 3-12 Limits for harmonic
currents produced by equipment connected to public low voltage systems
with input current >16A and =75A per phase
25.2.3 77A/615/RVC Result of voting on 77A/576/DTR IEC 61000-3-7 Ed.2
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 3-7 Limits - Assessment of
emission limits for the connection of fluctuating load installations to MV, HV
and EHV power systems
25.2.4 77A/616/RVC Result of voting on 77A/577/DTR IEC 61000-3-13 Ed.1
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 3-13 Limits - Assessment of
emission limits for the connection of unbalanced installations to MV, HV and
EHV power systems
25.2.5 77A/617/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-8 Ed.2
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-8 Testing and measurement
techniques - Power frequency magnetic field immunity test
25.2.6 77A/618/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-13 A1 Ed.1
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) Part 4-13 Testing and measurement
techniques- Harmonics and interharmonics including mains signalling at a.c.
power port, low frequency immunity tests
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25.2.7 77A/619/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-14 Ed.1
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-14 Testing and measurement
techniques - Voltage fluctuation immunity test
25.2.8 77A/620/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-16 A2 Ed.1
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-16 Testing and measurement
techniques - Test for immunity to conducted, common mode disturbances in
the frequency range 0 Hz to 150 kHz
25.2.9 77A/621/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-17 A2 Ed.1
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-17 Testing and measurement
techniques - Ripple on d.c. input power port immunity test
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25.2.1
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77A/622/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-27 A1 Ed.1
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-27 Testing and measurement
techniques - Unbalance, immunity test
77A/623/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-28 A2 Ed.1
Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-28 Testing and measurement
techniques - Variation of power frequency, immunity test
77A/624/MCR Maintenance cycle report on IEC 61000-4-34 A1 Ed.1 EMC
Part 4-34 Testing and measurement techniques - Voltage dips, short
interruptions and voltage variations immunity tests for equipment with input
current more than 16A per phase
25.3 SC 77B
25.3.1 77B/545A/CC Revised Compilation of comments on 77B/538/CD IEC 61000-
4-2 Ed.2 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-2 Testing and
measurement techniques - Electrostatic discharge immunity test
25.3.2 77B/556/RVD Report of Voting on 77B/546/FDIS IEC 61000-4-3 A1 Ed.3
Calibration of E-field probes
25.3.3 77B/557/RQ Response to the Questionnaire on the nomination of the SC 77B
representative in ACEC
25.3.4 77B/560/DC Interpretation of the amplifier saturation check as defined in IEC
61000-4-3 Ed. 3.0 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 4-3 Testing and
measurement techniques - Radiated, radio-frequency, electromagnetic field
immunity test
25.4 SC 77C
Comments from EMCTLA
Comments from EMCIA
25.4.1 77C/177/CC Compilation of comments on 77C/171/CD IEC 61000-5-9 Ed. 1 -
Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) -- Part 5-9 Installation and mitigation
guidelines - System-level susceptibility assessments for HEMP and HPEM
25.4.2 77C/176/CC Compilation of comments on 77C/170/CD IEC 61000-4-35 Ed. 1
- Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) -- Part 4-35 Testing and measurement
techniques - High power electromagnetic (HPEM) simulator compendium
25.4.3 77C/180/Q Questionnaire on the extension of the term of office of the SC 77C
representative in ACEC. Your nil response will result in the GB committee
supporting the second extension of Prof Michel Ianoz as ACEC member
25.5 CISPR
25.5.1 CISPR/1148/INF USNC Response to 77/332/INF, 77/341/INF Coordinated
approach to documents on measurement uncertainty (MU) - and similar
IEC/CISPR Documents
25.5.2 CISPR/1150/Q Questionnaire on the nomination of CISPR representatives in
ACEC
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25.6 CISPR/A
25.6.1 CIS/A/761/RVC Result of voting on CISPR/A/732/CDV Amendment of
method for measurements of conducted disturbances
25.6.2 CIS/A/760/RVD Report of Voting on CIS/A/750/FDIS CISPR 16-1-4 A1 Ed.2
Definition of reference for radiated emission measurements
25.6.3 CIS/A/764/CD CISPR 16-1-1 Use of Spectrum Analyzers for Compliance
Measurements
CIS/A/776/CC Compilation of comments on CISPR/A/764/CD
25.6.4 CIS/A/765/DC Document CISPR/B/434/CD Selection criteria for the minimum
separation distance between eut and measurement antenna - proposal to
replace the ""class"" criterion currently used in CISPR 11 by a ""size-ofequipment""
criterion
CIS/A/770/INF Compilation of comments on CISPR/B/434/CD
25.6.5 CIS/A/766/INF Membership of CISPR/A editing group
25.6.6 CIS/A/768/DC Establishment of Joint Task Force between CISPR/A and
CISPR/F - National Committees are asked to nominate experts.
25.6.7 CIS/A/761A/RVC Revised Result of voting on CISPR/A/732/CDV Amendment
of method for measurements of conducted disturbances
25.6.8 CIS/A/769/AC Appointment of Mr. Steven Leitner as new Secretary of
CISPR/A
25.6.9 CIS/A/772/INF Subject Document 77B/543A/CC - Compilation of Comments
on Committee Draft 77B/536/CD - IEC 61000-4-21 Ed.2 -
ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY (EMC) - Part 4-21 Testing and
measurement techniques - Reverberation chamber test methods
25.7 CISPR/H
25.7.1 CIS/H/154A/INF Revised results of Comments on Documents CIS/I/223/DC
and CIS/H/152/DC - Announcement and call for experts for JTF CISPR/H and
CISPR/I
25.7.2 CIS/H/163/DC Document CISPR/B/434/CD Selection criteria for the minimum
separation distance between eut and measurement antenna - proposal to
replace the ""class"" criterion currently used in CISPR 11 by a ""size-ofequipment""
criterion
CIS/H/169/INF Report of Comments on Document CIS/H/163/DC
25.7.3 CIS/H/156A/CC Revised Compilation of comments on CISPR/H/149/CD IEC
61000-6-3 A1 Ed.2 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 6-3 Generic
standards - Emission standard for residential, commercial and light-industrial
environments
25.7.4 CIS/H/157A/CC Revised Compilation of comments on CISPR/H/150/CD IEC
61000-6-4 A1 Ed.2 Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) - Part 6-4 Generic
standards - Emission standard for industrial environments
25.7.5 CIS/H/166/MCR Maintenance cycle report on CISPR 23 to be withdrawn
25.7.6 CIS/H/165/Q Request for a new Convenor of WG1. If I receive no other
nominations by 7 December then the GB response will be that we support the
nomination of Andy Griffin.
CIS/H/170/RQ Result of CIS/H/165/Q
25.7.7 CIS/H/167/DC Adopting the full approach for measurement instrumentation
uncertainty as defined in CISPR 16-4-2 ed. 1.0 in future revisions of IEC
61000-6-3 and IEC 61000-6-4
CIS/H/171/INF Report of comments on CISPR/H/167/DC
25.7.8 CIS/H/168/INF Compilation of comments on CISPR/B/434/CD CISPR 11 f2
Ed. 5 proposal to replace the ""class"" criterion currently used in cispr 11 by a
""size-of-equipment"" criterion
25.8 CENELEC/TC 210
25.8.1 TC210_WG01/Sec/0142/DC Interpretation sheets for EN 61000-4-3 and EN
61000-4-6
25.8.2 TC210/Sec/0528/DC Alternative test methods in EMC standards
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25.8.3 TC210/BE0003/INF Belgian Note on alternative methods for the same
purpose in EMC product (family) or generic standards
25.8.4 TC210/GB0024/DC Proposal for a list of basic standards
25.8.5 TC210_WG01/Sec/0138/DC Draft third edition of CLC Guide 24 for
consideration by WG1
25.8.6 TC210_WG1/Sec0145/INF Comments of the EMC Consultant on CLC Guide
24 draft third edition
25.8.7 TC210_WG01/Sec/0139/DC Draft third edition of CLC Guide 25 for
consideration by WG1
25.8.8 TC210_WG1/Sec0146/INF Comments of the EMC Consultant on CLC Guide
25 draft third edition
25.8.9 TC210_WG1/Sec0148/INF Current status of CLC/prTR 50481 (PR=17072)
Recommendations on filters for shielded enclosures CLC/prTR 50484
(PR=17073) Recommendations for shielded enclosures and CLC/prTR
50485 (PR=17074) Electromagnetic compatibility
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TC210_WG1/Sec0149/INF Question from the Romanian NC on the
withdrawal of EN 50147-2
TC210_WG1/Sec0143/INF Review of EMC Standards from product standard
committees
TC210_WG1/Sec0140/INF Review of EMC standards from Product Standard
committees since May 2007
26. Any other business
26.1 Spreadsheet showing ‘Champions’ of expertise in GEL/210/12
Mr Colclough had prepared a draft revision of the spreadsheet in order to
include the SC 77A area. The Secretary was asked to circulate this and put it
on the agenda for the next meeting.
26.2 JTF TEM
ACTION: SECRETARY
Ms Nothofer advised that there was an expert from the EMC Centre, Paisley,
who was interested in joining the JTF. She would ask him to email the
Secretary of GEL/210/12 to arrange co-option onto GEL/210/12 and joining
the JTF.
27. Date of next meeting
ACTION: MS NOTHOFER
The next meeting was arranged for Thursday 1 May 2008 in Room 512.
GERALDINE SALT,
Programme Manager,
Secretary to GEL/210/12
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