Although we live about thirty miles away from one another on opposite sides of LosAngeles, as the crow flies, I first saw and hung out with Toys That Kill at a show in Eerie,Pennsylvania in summer, 2001. Attendance was sparse, which gave me time for reflection.Was I vaguely interested in them before they plugged in because of the FYP pedigree? Did Isecretly wish to join the many that have seen Todd Congelliere piss his pants? Did I haveulterior motives? Perhaps. Tours converged and I got to see them about ten times in row.They rocked, and I dare say more so than their previous band. They’re loud and fast, to besure, while remaining tight and crunching and producing music as sparkley as the hood of aflipped-over van on asphalt (more on van accidents in the interview). Think bombastic andplayful without getting too arty. What strikes me, after listing to their debut album, TheCitizen Abortion, for over the hundredth time, is how well they make songs. I know, I know,songcraft is usually a dispersion heaped on bands like Foreigner, and shouldn’t be used whenyou like a punk band, but I say it’s true. There’s something more than your basic 1-2-3-4-go!attack that keeps me coming back.If the pain of getting cracked in the nutsack could be turned into a good, good sound, it’dbe Toys That Kill. They’re instantly likeable without being genre-locked ball lickers and chartslaves.Todd Congelliere - guitar, vocals * Sean Cole - guitar, vocals *Casey - bass, backup vocals * They have a drummer who wasn’t able to make the pow wow.Retodd: So, a little background for clarification’ssake. You were in a band calledFYP, which stood for…Todd C: Five Year Plan.Retodd: And you were togetherfor…Todd C: Ten years.Sean: I see where this is going.It said “squared” really little.Retodd: So, the five year plandidn’t work out?Todd C: We wanted overtime,for the kids.Sean: You can’t take us, or thethings we say or do, too literally.Todd C: That’s a bad, badmaneuver.Sean: They’re sort of shroudedin metaphors and cynicism andjokes.Retodd: What would be thecynical joke of Five Year Plan, then?Todd C: That it existed.Retodd: So, the last FYP album was calledToys That Kill.Todd C: Yeah.Retodd: And then, you broke up and thenext day, you played as…Sean: It wasn’t that condensed.Todd C: It was sort of planned.Retodd: Then, why? Why change yourname when people know it?Todd C: That was one ofthe things. To get rid of allthe FYP sensibilities. Thatwas one of the things thatwas bumming me out. I hateit when people ask us to play“Bring It On.” It’s the stupidestthing I’ve ever heardin my life.Sean: Kind of like cleaningthe slate. I think the thing isa lot of bands will sacrificehaving a good time and sacrificeloving what they’redoing just so they can keepthe name and they will playsongs that they hate justbecause their whole motiveis making money or sustainingpopularity, where we just couldn’t dealwith that. We didn’t want to go that route.We wanted to start a new, fresh conceptthat we’d be proud of and enjoy doing.Todd C: It’s funner to start over, too. Thefirst Toys That Kill tour was the best thingin the world compared to the last FYP tour.Sean and I like the music better. We hadChachi in there.Retodd: Thematically, then, what’schanged over the years? Did you get toomature for toilet tard (i.e. “tardcore”)music? Did you just learn how to play yourinstruments?Todd C: Neither.Sean: Not to toot my own horn here…Retodd: Toot it. Be honest.Sean: I think that after the first 7”s and theearly line-up, a big problem was there wasalways a constant revolving door of membersand it didn’t really matter how musicallytalented you were. You just kind ofwent for it and there was a charm to it, but Ithink once Todd and I were a more steadylineup, if you listen to FYP’s last record,it’s not virtuoso music, but it’s pretty musicallyproficient. It’s simple music, but it’stight and not all over the place like theearly stuff and I think even with My ManGrumpy, the same thing – a pretty well puttogether record. Toilet Kids Bread was kindof pivotal and shaky in that department, buta lot of people, when they think of FYP,they think of some early stuff.Todd C: Yeah. Dance My Dunce andbefore. It’s just like a joke that you keep onsaying. It’s an all right joke. You keeptelling it. The more you say it, everyone’s60
like, “Shut up” and rolling their eyes, butthere’s new people coming in and theywant you to play songs that you wereplaying eight years ago and it just got toa point where, “Uhmm, that’s not funnyanymore.” To us. If it was still funny tous, we’d still be doing FYP.Retodd: What’s the law of three for youguys? Why is every album three words?Sean: I think it’s just fun.Todd C: I think it’s just coincidence.Retodd: Coincidence?Todd C: Until My Man Grumpy waswhen we actually figured it out. It definitelywasn’t planned.Retodd: Is it planned now?Todd C: No. Toys That Kill, The CitizenAbortion, I had no idea. I mean, I knewwas all planned. (The last Descendentsalbum was called All. Milo split to getmore of that edumacation, and the rest ofthe band continued as the band, All. -Retodd)Sean: I think, too, using the Toys ThatKill title and then into the band name, it’skind of reflective of bands that do that.We’re continuing on a cycle. Some of theToys That Kill songs were going to benew FYP songs. And Todd and I aretwo-thirds of FYP and, in a sense, wewanted to have a clean slate but it’s notlike we’re playing prog metal all of asudden. We wanted there to be somerelation.Retodd: So, how did these two guys findyou, Casey?Casey: I don’t know. They moved to Sanyears ago.Todd C: He has the aura of Chachi. He usedto wear the sleeveless shirts.Sean: He’s an amalgamation of RalphMacchio and Scott Baio. Originally, it wasChachi-o.Retodd: How do you feel about that?Casey: I don’t care. Whatever. I used to beChachi-o Viagra.Todd C: Now it’s Chachi Ferrari.Retodd: Casey, have you ever misinterpretedand lyrics to a Toys That Kill song?Casey: Actually, the first tour, I sang thebackups wrong every night. In“Amphetamine Street,” I would sing “whenthe scream…” I got it wrong.Sean: “When the scream MU330.”Todd C: Todd had the lyrics printed up so ICasey: I remember going to see FYP a few times and Jed getting chased by a bunchof skinheads. Todd C: Because he would always try to make out with their girlfriends.Even the ones with the chelseas.those were three words. I didn’t thinkabout it.Sean: Autism.Todd C: Yeah. I didn’t even think aboutthat until the record was out. Then I waslike, “Oh, man.” Me, personally, I don’twant to continue with things, eventhough we did the Descendents thingwhere we called our last record the newband that we were going to be and thatPedro and they couldn’t get rid of me,pretty much.Retodd: When was the first time theystarted calling you Chachi?Casey: That must have been Hal. A coupleyears ago.Sean: A real trend setter, that guy.Retodd: Do you really look like ScottBaio?Casey: I don’t think so. Maybe a couplecould practice, and I was, like, “What?”“Where the scream mutes the sound”?Retodd: Everyone has to answer this question.What does your dad do?Sean: My real dad? [laughter] He works at amental hospital driving medical supplies. Mylatest step dad is a sales representative for anoptical lens company and the stepdad thatraised me works at an oil refinery.Casey: My dad’s a longshoreman down onthe docks and he’s been doing61
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