ABCD Lars & Roemer
ABCD Lars & Roemer
ABCD Lars & Roemer
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<strong>Roemer</strong> van Toorn in conversation with <strong>Lars</strong> Lerup <br />
own life and social relations under conditions of cultural mixture.” The result of<br />
this cosmopolitanism is a patchwork of urbanities who are quasi-cosmopolitan<br />
and simultaneously provincial. Beck calls it “banal cosmopolitanism.” The<br />
modest, familiar, local, circumscribed, or stable – in short, our protective shell –<br />
is becoming the site of broadly universal experience; place, whether it be Houston<br />
or Moscow, Stockholm or Amsterdam, becomes the locus of encounters and<br />
interminglings – or alternatively of anonymous coexistence and the overlapping<br />
of possible worlds with global dangers. All of this requires us to rethink the<br />
relation between place and the world. What we need, according to Beck, and I<br />
fully agree with him, is a new cosmopolitan outlook where the intermingling<br />
between us and them, the national and the international, the provincial and the<br />
global, is developed through a new political vision. Am I correct that your new<br />
book, Toxic Ecology…, instead of discounting the world of suburbia as an arena<br />
of action, sees it as a potential place for just such a political vision, a place full of<br />
ingredients to counter banal cosmopolitanism? Do you see Houston as the<br />
powerhouse of the political?<br />
Yes, you are correct. I am fully aware that my suggestion that<br />
software (IT) will reanimate the stolid carcass of suburban hardware<br />
and that a new quasi-urbanity will result is extremely naïve and<br />
hopeful. In fact, I believe that “urban form” is much less localized<br />
than it used to be. It is now possible to “be human” all across the<br />
inhabited landscape, from the totally wired tractor that plows fields<br />
in Kansas to the apartment in New York. Is this banal? Well,<br />
intellectuals have always had a tendency to view whatever happens<br />
outside their own sphere as banal. Given that this “banal<br />
cosmopolitanism” is actually what will elect a new president in my<br />
country, I am less inclined to see it that way. (By the way, my book is<br />
now renamed One Million Acres and No Zoning, which may be<br />
interpreted as a stepping away from toxicity to increased neutrality.)<br />
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