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No.43 AUGUST 23, 2018<br />

DAY AFTER DAY<br />

WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />

By Daria CHYZH, Yuliia DOVHAICHUK,<br />

Den’s Summer School of Journalism,<br />

2018Members of parliament have<br />

gone on vacation – but not all<br />

of them. Oksana Syroid,<br />

Deputy Chairperson of the<br />

Verkhovna Rada, has visited<br />

the Den’s Summer School of Journalism.<br />

Although the school finished as far back<br />

as July, the practice of students was so<br />

intensive and fruitful that they are still<br />

discussing results. All the more so that the<br />

subjects lecturers covered are still topical.<br />

As Ms. Syroid serves in parliamentary for<br />

the first time, students first of all asked<br />

her what she thinks about the Ukrainian<br />

Parliament’s performance in the almost<br />

four years of the present convocation.<br />

Did she expect to see this when she was<br />

running for a legislative seat?<br />

● “A CLAN OLIGARCHIC<br />

SYSTEM BEGAN TO FORM<br />

IN THE MID-1990S”<br />

“I knew what to expect from this parliament<br />

because I had seen the ups and<br />

downs of many people and the Verkhovna<br />

Rada’s rules. I worked as an MP’s assistant<br />

for several years from 1995 and cooperated,<br />

in other capacities, with politicians for<br />

a long time, so I used to say categorically<br />

that I would never set foot in there. But the<br />

Revolution of Dignity and the war changed<br />

many things. Everybody was trying to<br />

give off something in addition. I knew I<br />

could do nothing on my own there, but I<br />

found a team that became a shoulder to rely<br />

on in the attempt to begin making<br />

changes. I don’t regret my decision today<br />

from the viewpoint of confidence in people,<br />

for I stay in a sincere society, although it<br />

is very difficult to be in politics.<br />

“A clan oligarchic system began to<br />

form in the mid-1990s, when a few people<br />

received access to governmental funds, natural<br />

resources, and privatization. They<br />

would suck out, cash in on, and smuggle<br />

these resources abroad. The next goal was<br />

to form an oligarchic government in order<br />

to preserve or increase access to resources,<br />

the budget, and the management of staterun<br />

businesses.<br />

“The Euromaidan and the war opened<br />

the window that allowed about 60 non-oligarchic<br />

people to make their way to parliament.<br />

This is the first time since the formation<br />

of a clan oligarchic system that we<br />

have people in parliament whom oligarchs<br />

do not control. This makes the current parliament<br />

unique to some extent.”<br />

● “SOME OF THE NEW MPS<br />

HAD ALREADY DEPENDED<br />

ON OLIGARCHS, AND<br />

OTHERS SUCCUMBED TO<br />

TEMPTATION IN THE<br />

PARLIAMENT ITSELF”<br />

Olha KRYSA, Ivan Franko National<br />

University of Lviv: “Many new young<br />

Maidan and NGO politicians, now MPs,<br />

used to say they would unite when they entered<br />

parliament. But, as a result, they in<br />

fact melted into various political projects.<br />

Why did they fail to form a united party?<br />

How effective do you think they are in parliament?”<br />

“Formally, parliament has been renewed<br />

to a large extent. There are several<br />

groups of new people in it. But do they represent<br />

a new generation? Some of them had<br />

already depended on oligarchs when they<br />

became MPs, and others succumbed to<br />

temptation in the parliament itself. If one<br />

goes into politics in pursuit of fame, he will<br />

burn himself out quickly, for politics suggests<br />

service. You should be confident in<br />

yourself to such an extent that temptations<br />

and challenges could not influence your<br />

way – only in this case you can stand your<br />

ground. People often fail to stand the test<br />

and lose confidence in themselves and in<br />

what they do. Going through this several<br />

times, they demotivate themselves or lose<br />

focus. This is also one of the reasons why<br />

young people have partially blended in. It<br />

is very difficult to keep things in focus,<br />

knowing that nobody may appreciate it or<br />

that you will gain nothing from this.<br />

“As for political parties, you cannot<br />

form parties in parliament, for they<br />

should be formed ‘from the bottom up.’<br />

Believing in success<br />

Photo by Mykola TYMCHENKO, The Day<br />

cisions horizontally, i.e., when they all<br />

sit at the same table. Now imagine how<br />

difficult it is for a faction to work,<br />

when 25 ambitious figures sit at table,<br />

each of them wants to explain something,<br />

while the faction should make a<br />

joint decision. At first, our faction’s sittings<br />

lasted for seven hours. It takes time<br />

for people to learn to hear each other. For<br />

example, we discussed withdrawal from<br />

the coalition for 14 hours in a row. Very<br />

few were prepared for this.”<br />

● “ONE MORE PROBLEM IS<br />

DEVALUATION OF<br />

PARLIAMENT BY OTHER<br />

INSTITUTIONS. ALL<br />

PRESIDENTS OF UKRAINE<br />

‘SUFFERED’ FROM THIS”<br />

Yuliia DOVHAICHUK, Taras<br />

Shevchenko National University of Kyiv:<br />

“According to various polls, about 80 percent<br />

of people do not trust the Verkhovna<br />

Rada. This raises a question: what is the<br />

progress of the promised parliamentary reform?<br />

For MPs still vote for one another,<br />

the new Rada system does not function, to<br />

say nothing about almost daily violations<br />

A political force must be linked with<br />

people – otherwise it is a bubble, an empty<br />

brand. It is very difficult to form a new<br />

political party first of all because the very<br />

notion of this has devalued. What also<br />

matters very much is the desire of people<br />

to join. The hierarchy of a political force<br />

is horizontal, and this structure must rely<br />

on the personality of leaders, not on<br />

their formal powers.<br />

“I know for sure that Samopomich is<br />

the only political force that makes all deof<br />

parliamentary rules. Why is there no reform?”<br />

“Parliamentary reform boils down to<br />

your and our votes. If people go on electing<br />

representatives of oligarchic groups, the<br />

essence of parliament will not change, no<br />

matter what procedural resolutions we<br />

pass. All depends on the intentions of the<br />

people who sit in the Verkhovna Rada<br />

room. Sometimes journalists ask me why<br />

some MPs play truant. But the vice-speaker<br />

of parliament is not a company manager<br />

– it is the people, not I, who employed the<br />

MPs. The MPs are answerable to society only.<br />

But they escape responsibility because<br />

they are sure of being reelected. Elections<br />

are the only way to control parliament.<br />

“Do voters know what their MP votes<br />

for? How many people ask the MP, when he<br />

visits the constituency: ‘How dared you<br />

vote for this?’ Collective irresponsibility<br />

is a terrible syndrome. If people were asking<br />

MPs why they voted one way or another,<br />

the MPs would take a more serious<br />

approach to voting. Therefore, a true parliamentary<br />

reform means changing the clan<br />

oligarchic system. Another problem is devaluation<br />

of parliament by other institutions.<br />

All presidents of Ukraine ‘suffered’<br />

from this. Particularly, whenever their rating<br />

plummets, they immediately aggravate<br />

relations with parliament – they create<br />

crises, blame MPs for failing to do something,<br />

etc. The current president is not an<br />

exception. If you watched the closure of sessions,<br />

you remember that the Petro<br />

Poroshenko Bloc once walked out when<br />

they refused to vote for new Central Election<br />

Commission members. Politicians<br />

must begin to understand that it is in<br />

everybody’s interests to respect each other,<br />

each institution. Respect increases<br />

public trust in governmental bodies as a<br />

whole.”<br />

Oksana SYROID:<br />

“The form of<br />

government<br />

does not matter.<br />

What matters is<br />

that the entire<br />

executive branch<br />

should be under<br />

parliamentary<br />

control”<br />

● “IN MY VIEW, WE SHOULD<br />

HAVE A PRIME-<br />

MINISTERIAL FORM OF<br />

GOVERNMENT, WHEN THE<br />

PREMIER REPRESENTS A<br />

PARTY OR A COALITION”<br />

Daria CHYZH, Borys Hrinchenko<br />

University of Kyiv: “Ukrainians often<br />

debate on the form of government – in<br />

the years of independence, it has been<br />

Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />

changing from parliamentary-presidential<br />

to presidential-parliamentary.<br />

You favor the parliamentary form of<br />

government. But to what extent is this<br />

possible in the absence of real political<br />

parties?”<br />

“What we have is not a parliamentary-presidential<br />

form of government<br />

because parliament does not wield the<br />

clout it must wield in a democracy, and<br />

the form is in fact presidential-primeministerial.<br />

We have the so-called dual<br />

executive system which has brought<br />

forth collective irresponsibility and cemented<br />

an oligarchic system. The main<br />

functions of the executive branch are to<br />

control the budget, collect and distribute<br />

taxes, decide on the use of force inside<br />

and outside the country. We have<br />

the Cabinet of Ministers, legally the<br />

highest body of executive power. But, on<br />

closer examination, most of the executive<br />

functions in fact belong to the president.<br />

He controls a considerable part of<br />

the budget, the security and defense sector,<br />

and all the so-called independent<br />

regulators. Besides, there is not a single<br />

instrument of the president’s accountability<br />

to parliament and, hence, to so-<br />

ciety. Even the US president reports to<br />

Congress, although the US has a purely<br />

presidential form of government.<br />

“In my opinion, the form of government<br />

does not matter. What really matters<br />

is that the entire executive branch<br />

should be under parliamentary control.<br />

The presidential form of government is<br />

effective in the US today. They formed<br />

this unique model to keep all the states<br />

united. Is this the Ukrainian way, too?<br />

We should strive to have what is really in<br />

line with our historical development and<br />

could be effective. If we suddenly wished<br />

to have the presidential form of government<br />

and a strong leader, this might<br />

pave the way to dictatorship. So, in my<br />

view, we should have a prime-ministerial<br />

form of government, when the premier<br />

represents a party or a coalition. And he<br />

must be personally responsible for the formation<br />

of the Cabinet.”<br />

● “IF THERE IS NO IDEA AND<br />

TEAM, IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE<br />

TO RALLY AROUND<br />

SOMEBODY”<br />

Evelina KOTLIAROVA, Taras<br />

Shevchenko National University of<br />

Kyiv: “What do you expect from the<br />

next elections? There is so much talk<br />

about a single candidate of democratic<br />

forces. Such names as Hrytsenko,<br />

Sadovyi, and Chumak are in the air…<br />

What do you think of a single candidate?<br />

Who can it be?”<br />

“The Ukrainians really want unity<br />

because whenever the presidential elections<br />

are coming up, the number of candidates<br />

increases many times over.<br />

This brings in a lot of caretaker candidates<br />

because it is important for oligarchic<br />

groups to retain power. Yes,<br />

the Ukrainians understand subconsciously<br />

that the oligarchic system<br />

must be destroyed. And there is quite<br />

a wide range of opposition candidates<br />

who could rally together. But this raises<br />

the question of who to rally around.<br />

I am skeptical about rallying around<br />

somebody. If there is no idea and team,<br />

it is irresponsible to rally around somebody.<br />

Suppose this person wins. So<br />

what? Who is going to work? Shall we<br />

call on oligarchs again to help us?<br />

They will immediately place their people<br />

in offices.<br />

“It seems to me we are having a situation,<br />

when some people, who position<br />

themselves as presidential candidates<br />

but have no team or ideas, really want<br />

either to ‘dissolve’ votes or, even if they<br />

win, to become a new face of the old oligarchic<br />

system. Many of these candidates<br />

are dependent. Of course, they<br />

won’t say this publicly, but they know<br />

who stands behind whom. On the other<br />

hand, there are groups of people and<br />

their leaders who are free of this dependency<br />

but full of energy and ideas.<br />

They find it very difficult to believe and<br />

unite with other leaders because there<br />

has been too much deception in our<br />

politics.”<br />

● “I DO NOT RULE OUT THAT<br />

RUSSIA CONCEIVED NORD<br />

STREAM 2 IN ORDER TO<br />

BREAK UP THE EUROPEAN<br />

UNION”<br />

Sofiia POSTOLATII, Sumy State<br />

University: “To what extent has the<br />

question of the annexed Crimea and the<br />

occupied parts of the Donbas been<br />

brought into line with the law at present?”<br />

“All the resolutions we have today<br />

convince me that the leadership is not<br />

going to fight for independence and victory.<br />

We tried to interpret certain<br />

processes in the bill ‘On Temporarily<br />

Occupied Territories’ drafted in mid-<br />

2015. The first question is what is to be<br />

done with the occupied territories.<br />

They are populated by our people but<br />

controlled by the enemy. So how can<br />

they, for example, protect themselves<br />

from the illegal arms traffic? The second<br />

question is how to regain control

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