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A. Yes.<br />

Q. Now as a PSC member or as a supervisor or as both?<br />

A. Both.<br />

Q. And the PSC you're saying didn't have this information,<br />

this Mercer information to whatever extent it looked at<br />

these proposed enhancements?... Did the Pension Study<br />

Commission have the memo that Dobbert wrote it<br />

regarding the ordinance revisions? Did it have this memo?<br />

A. I don't recall having this memo. All I can simply say is<br />

that I did not see $7.6 million.<br />

Q. And that 7.6 million is in the, quote, attached letter that the<br />

memo refers to; correct?<br />

A. Does the memo refer to it?<br />

Q. Yeah. That's just what I just read you. The actuaries<br />

reviewed the cost <strong>of</strong> these benefits provisions and has<br />

provided the attached letter.<br />

A. I know I didn't see the 7.6 million.<br />

Q. And you don't even know you saw this memo. Is that your<br />

testimony?<br />

A. That's correct.<br />

Elsewhere Borkowski emphasized that he did not see the October 25 th Dobbert memorandum<br />

and the attached October 3 rd Mercer letter because “I would remember if I saw a $7 million price<br />

tag on something.” Instead, Borkowski testified that, prior to the PSC hearing in October 2000,<br />

he did not rely on any consultants, including actuarial consultants like Mercer, for information<br />

regarding the Package, but instead relied on department heads like Dobbert, Zielinski and Robert<br />

Ott (“Ott”), the County’s Corporation Counsel. 39<br />

Similarly, James Schmitt (“Schmitt”), another member <strong>of</strong> the Personnel Committee, who<br />

voted with the majority to enact the Package, also testified that he had never seen Mercer’s<br />

October 3, 2000 letter, and never knew <strong>of</strong> the $7.65 million cost Mercer had attributed to the<br />

other pension benefits that were changed in the Package even without the BackDROP. 40<br />

Indeed, Schmitt testified that the PSC did not advise the <strong>county</strong> at all about the cost implications<br />

<strong>of</strong> any <strong>of</strong> the proposed pension changes, much less the BackDROP:<br />

39 PFF, 83-85.<br />

40 PFF, 86.<br />

QBACTIVE\6280487.1 19<br />

Case 2:06-cv-00372-CNC Filed 06/09/2008 Page 19 <strong>of</strong> 52 Document 110

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