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interviu Cawerilia 25 marts.<br />
_ qalbatono lela, gasuli Tvis<br />
erT-erTi rezonansuli Tema qarTuli<br />
cekvis ansamblis, `erisionis~ rusuli<br />
turne iyo, romelic kremlis sakoncerto<br />
darbazSi gamosvliT dagvirgvinda.<br />
swored im dros, roca qarTvelebi iq<br />
kulturul RonisZiebas atarebdnen, prezidenti<br />
putini afxazeTis defaqto prezidents,<br />
anqvabsa da somxeTis liders,<br />
serJ sargisians xvdeboda. axla mainteresebs,<br />
specialurad daamTxvia Tu<br />
ara putinma anqvabTan Sexvedra kremlSi<br />
gamarTul koncerts? ra faruli<br />
Canafiqrebi iyo am SexvedraSi? ratom<br />
miiwvia imavdroulad somxeTis prezidenti,<br />
romelmac SemdegSi ganacxada,<br />
afxazeTis gavliT rkinigzis aRdgenis<br />
sakiTxi ganvixileT Sexvedrazeo, roca<br />
anqvabi am informacias uaryofs?<br />
_ putinma am nabijiT Tavisi morigi<br />
politikuri TamaSi ganaxorciela saqarTvelos<br />
mimarT. igi isev iseT xasiaTzea dRes,<br />
ra xasiaTzec `nacionalebis~ mmarTvelobisas<br />
iyo. mas midgoma da damokidebuleba Cveni<br />
qveynis mimarT ar Seucvlia. putins rom<br />
saqarTvelos mimarT keTili survilebi<br />
amoZravebdes, maincdamainc im dRes, roca<br />
qarTuli ansambli amdenwliani `Sesvenebis~<br />
Semdeg koncerts marTavda rusi mayureblisTvis,<br />
separatist liders ar miiwvevda<br />
Sexvedraze. diax, putins kvlav okupantobisken<br />
uWiravs Tvali, magram ar gamouva.<br />
rac Seexeba rkinigzas, somxeTis prezidentis<br />
gancxadebas rkinigzasTan dakavSirebiT,<br />
mas awyobs amaze xmamaRla da xSirad laparaki,<br />
raTa msoflios uTxras, xom xedavT,<br />
ruseTi seriozulad fiqrobs am rkinigzaze<br />
da mxars gviWerso. arada afsuebs saerTod<br />
ar awyobT somxeTTan urTierToba da ufro<br />
metic, eSiniaT kidec am rkinigzisa.<br />
da saerTod, aq mTavari mainc Cemi xedvaa:<br />
am rkinigzis aRdgenas jer ar vxedav.<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, anqvabma am vizitis<br />
Semdeg ganacxada, mzad var vesaubro<br />
yvelas, Tumca aranair ultimatums ar<br />
miviRebo. ras ukavSirdeboda es gancxadeba<br />
da...<br />
_ eSinodeT RmerTis, kosmosisa afxazebsac,<br />
osebsac, rusebsac da yvelas, vinc<br />
saqarTvelos mtrobs. vis miwas iyofen, vis<br />
miwas iTviseben anqvabi da misTanani?! vin<br />
arian da ra warmomavlobisani arian, ra<br />
uflebebi aqvT am miwaze, amaze istoriaze<br />
dayrdnobiT, dokumentebiT, faqtebiT imsjelon,<br />
warsuls gadaxedon. ultimatums ar miiRebs<br />
Turme, batoni anqvabi. iseT ultimatums<br />
wauyenebs kosmosi, Seni mowonebuli. ai, mere<br />
Tqvas, ar vRebulobo da vnaxoT, visi ajobebs!<br />
_ qalbatono lela, axla erT-erTi<br />
yvelaze aqtualuri Tema saqarTveloSi<br />
regionuli da umciresobis enebis Sesaxeb<br />
evropuli qartiis ratificirebis sakiTxia...<br />
_ ki magram, es Tema xom adrec iyo<br />
wamoweuli, oriode wlis win?<br />
_ ki, iyo da maSinac brZaneT Tqven<br />
Tqveni sityva amasTan dakavSirebiT, Tumca,<br />
radgan Tema kvlav gaaqtualurda, gadavwyvite,<br />
kidev mekiTxa.<br />
_ hoda, getyvi: saqarTveloSi umTavresi<br />
ena qarTulia. dauSvebelia, rom mas statusiT<br />
romelime sxva ena gautoldes Cvens<br />
saxelmwifoSi. amitom nacionaluri umciresobebi<br />
keTils inebeben da iswavlian qarTuls.<br />
paralelurad ki saerTaSoriso enad aRiarebuli<br />
inglisuris swavlebac savaldebulo<br />
unda gaxdes, imitom, rom evrokavSirsa da<br />
natoSi SevdivarT da gvWirdeba. visac unda,<br />
sxva enebic iswavlos _ amas aravin aravis<br />
da me getyviT Tqven...<br />
mkiTxvels mkiTxvels yovel yovel nomerSi nomerSi vTavazobT vTavazobT intervius<br />
intervius<br />
qarTvel qarTvel winaswarmetyvelTan. winaswarmetyvelTan. igi igi isaubrebs<br />
isaubrebs<br />
mocemuli mocemuli momentisTvis momentisTvis yvelaze yvelaze metad metad aqtualur<br />
aqtualur<br />
Temebze, Temebze, Tumca Tumca Tumca qalbatoni qalbatoni lelas lelas pasuxebi<br />
pasuxebi<br />
yovelTvis yovelTvis e eefuZne<br />
e fuZne fuZneba fuZne ba ramdenime ramdenime ramdenime wlis wlis wlis win win Caweril Caweril<br />
Caweril<br />
winaswarmetyvelebebs.<br />
winaswarmetyvelebebs.<br />
ar dauSlis.<br />
aqve erTi ram aucileblad unda vTqva:<br />
evropuli gaerTianebebis mier amdeni da amgvari<br />
moTxovnebi patara saqarTvelos mimarT,<br />
ubralod, sasaciloa. qarTveloba Cven swored<br />
imiT SevinarCuneT saukuneebis manZilze, rom<br />
ena SevinaxeT, sarwmunoeba SevinaxeT. egeTi<br />
qartiebi rom migveRo da gagvetarebina, Cveni<br />
bundRac ar iqneboda axla.<br />
an saerTod ra aris amdeni erTi da<br />
igive Temis triali? riT ar moeRo bolo<br />
amden laparaksa da daSinebebs, evropa kars<br />
mogvijaxunebso? yvelam kargad gaigos, rom<br />
arc evropas ekiTxeba kosmosi, Seva Tu ara<br />
saqarTvelo evrokavSirSi.<br />
_ imasac amboben, javaxeTSi separatizmis<br />
safrTxe gaizardao.<br />
_ javaxeTs Tavi daanebos yvelam. icodeT,<br />
vinc iq, am ZirZvel qarTul miwaze<br />
rame mzakvruls wamoiwyebs, ver gaixarebs!<br />
aravis araferi ar gamouva. gazrdili separatizmi<br />
ki ara, yvelafers aqeT vibrunebT.<br />
daujerebeli amaSi araferi ar aris. naxavT,<br />
rogor Seicvleba politika. istoriis man-<br />
Zilze gana erTxel momxdara, rom yvelasaTvis<br />
moulodnelad uZlieresi saxelmwifoebi<br />
aRgvilan pirisagan miwisa? amis `Semoqmedi~<br />
yovelTvis kosmosi iyo da viTom<br />
kidev ratom ar daatrialebs istoriis Carxs<br />
Tavis nebaze? daatrialebs Tanac rogor?!<br />
magasac naxavT.<br />
amwuTas vxedav da ar SeiZleba ar vTqva:<br />
momavalSi, albaT ase, 60-70 wlis Semdeg,<br />
evrokavSiric daiSleba.<br />
_ dasavlur presaSi gamoCnda publikaciebi,<br />
romlebSic putinis mier<br />
medvedevis gadayenebis SesaZleblobazea<br />
laparaki. amboben, rom putinma ukve<br />
miiRo kidec es gadawyvetileba.<br />
_ mere, ra aris amaSi SenTvis an Cveni<br />
mkiTxvelisTvis axali?<br />
_ arc araferi. ubralod, davafiqsire,<br />
rom Tqvens mier medvedevis gaprezidentebamde<br />
warmoTqmuli winaswarmetyveleba<br />
yoveldRiurad dasturdeba.<br />
_ ise, rom icode, putini Zalian bevr<br />
rames specialurad akeTebs, maT Soris, informaciis<br />
gavrcelebasac vgulisxmob.<br />
_ qalbatono lela, eqspertebs miaCniaT,<br />
rom Cavesis gardacvalebiT ruseTi<br />
ufro mets dakargavs venesuelaSi, vidre<br />
warmoudgenia. ra mohyveba Cavesis<br />
gardacvalebas venesuelaSi?<br />
_ qveyanaSi axali mTavroba mova da<br />
isini ar gadadgamen zustad imgvar nabijebs,<br />
rogorsac wina xelisufleba dgamda. garda<br />
imisa, rom es erTgavri kanonzomierebaa<br />
zogadad, venesuelis axali mTavroba amas<br />
ubralod ar moisurvebs. Cavesis gardacvalebiT<br />
gaCenil Sanss, venesuela dasavlur orbitaze<br />
Seayenon, arc evropa gauSvebs xelidan da<br />
rac mTavaria, arc amerika. dasavleTi yvela<br />
berkets aamuSavebs, rom rusuli Zala da<br />
gavlena daasustos venesuelaSi. sul sxva<br />
politika gatardeba. dasavleTi myarad<br />
moikidebs fexs venesuelaSi. amis gamo ruseTsa<br />
da dasavleTs Soris politikuri SejaxebagarCevebi<br />
iqneba. sxvaTa Soris isic gairkveva,<br />
rom venesuelel xalxs didad ar moswonda<br />
Tavisi lideri Cavesi. saerTod bevrjer<br />
aRminiSnavs, rom msoflio politika da<br />
urTierTobebi mTlianad icvleba da ammxriv<br />
arc venesuela iqneba gamonaklisi.<br />
_ qalbatono lela, guSin gavrcelda<br />
informacia, rom gardaicvala boris<br />
berezovski...<br />
_ unda giTxra, rom saerTod, Zalian<br />
bevri milionris Tavs datrialdeba cudi<br />
ambebi _ ase aweriaT. roca `forbss~ vaTvaliereb<br />
da vuyureb am simdidriTa da usazRvro<br />
fufunebiT ganebivrebul adamianebs,<br />
Zalian mecodebian. me xom vxedav, vin rogor<br />
da ra asakSi daamTavrebs sicocxles. samwux-<br />
arod, qarTveli Tu rusi milionrebis gardacvalebis<br />
faqtebi Zalian gaxSirdeba, TiTqos<br />
erTmaneTs mihyvebian. sxvaTa Soris, arcerTze<br />
ar ityvian, Tavisi sikvdiliT gardaicvalao.<br />
_ cnobili gaxda isic, rom SeerTebuli<br />
Statebi aRar apirebs evropaSi,<br />
kerZod, poloneTSi, raketsawinaaRmdego<br />
sistemis ganTavsebis meoTxe etapis dasrulebas.<br />
es is Temaa, romelic ruseTs<br />
yvelaze metad aforiaqebda da amitom<br />
zogma aSS-is mxridan es ruseTisTvis<br />
erTgvar daTmobad miiRo. Tumca, rogorc<br />
Tavad amerikis Tavdacvis saministro<br />
acxadebs, raketsawinaaRmdego programa-<br />
Si cvlileba CrdiloeT koreisa da<br />
iranis mxridan gazrdils safrTxeebs<br />
ukavSirdeba, ris gamoc sistema aliaskaze<br />
gaZlierdeba.realurad ki...<br />
_ realurad ki amerikelebi meoTxe etapsac<br />
ganaxorcieleben da mexuTesac. sul ar<br />
anaRvlebT rusebis wyena da survilebi.<br />
aliaskazec ganaTavseben TavdacviT sistemebs<br />
da saqarTveloSic.<br />
rac Seexeba CrdiloeT koreas... uyure<br />
magaT! birTvuli iaraRi hqoniaT, vxedav.<br />
_ diax, aqvT.<br />
_ araferSi ar uSveliT eg iaraRi. bolos<br />
daartyams amerika da aRmoCndeba, rom<br />
sul tyuilad hqondaT Tavisi bombebis imedi.<br />
_ qalbatono lela, romis axalma<br />
papma ukve Seitana wvrilmani, magram<br />
mainc cvlilebebi vatikanSi. magaliTad,<br />
oqros magivrad, vercxlisgan damzadebuli<br />
papis beWedi gaikeTa, uari Tqva<br />
sakuTar limuzinsa da mdidrul, vrcel<br />
mosasvenebelze, papis taxti Cveulebrivi<br />
savarZliT Secvala... ras eubneba francisk<br />
I amiT kaTolikur samyaros?<br />
_ francisk I Tavis mokrZalebas usvams<br />
xazs, magram es xalxs, Sen warmoidgine,<br />
gaaRizianebs, imitom, rom adamianebs moswonT<br />
da surT, rom brwyinvale, mdidrulad<br />
morTul paps uyurebdnen. aqve imasac getyvi,<br />
rom es is papi ar aris, viszec me amaswinaT<br />
giTxari, axali SemarTebiT Seudgeba saqmesmeTqi.<br />
is sxva papia.<br />
_ dabolos, qalbatono lela, moaxdens<br />
Tu ara tajikeTis mTavroba 201-e rusuli<br />
bazis statusis Sesaxeb SeTanxmebis ratifikacias?<br />
_ Zalian daiZaba ara, situacia?<br />
_ diax, Zalian mwvave fazaSi gadavida,<br />
rac Tqven nawinaswarmetyvelebic<br />
hqondaT.<br />
_ ruseTsa da tajikeTs Soris amis<br />
garda sxva mizezebiTac daiZabeba viTareba.<br />
saboloo jamSi me iq rusul bazas ar<br />
vxedav, imasac amerika Caanacvlebs.<br />
amonaridi 2009 wlis oqtombris<br />
interviudan, gazeTi #38<br />
_ dabolos, qalbatono lela, mediiT<br />
gavrcelda informacia, Zalian<br />
male Tbilisma xeli unda moaweros<br />
evropul qartias `regionuli da umciresobaTa<br />
enebis Sesaxeb~, rac sxva<br />
araferia, Tu ara is, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
mSobliuri enis garda, sxva saxelmwifo<br />
enebic unda gvqondeso. am informaciam<br />
Turme gansakuTrebiT gaaxara<br />
somxeTis mTavroba da prezidenti,<br />
ariqa, javaxeTSi saswrafod gadadiT<br />
saqmeebis somxurad warmoebazeo.<br />
_ Tavi mosZulebia am vai-qartiaze<br />
xelis moweris mosurnes, Tavi mosZulebia!<br />
es aris samSoblos Ralatis tolfasi qmedeba<br />
da amis araTu gamkeTebeli, gonebaSi gamtarebelic<br />
ki sastikad daisjeba!!!<br />
mTavari redaqtori: irma gelaSvili<br />
gazeTi registrirebulia vake-saburTalos raionul sagadasaxado inspeqciaSi.<br />
gazeTSi da vebgverdze gamoyenebuli masalebis da fotoebis gadabeWdva-gamoqveyneba<br />
redaqciis Tanxmobis gareSe akrZalulia. saavtoro uflebebi daculia.<br />
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