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ogor <strong>TeTrdeba</strong> <strong>Savi</strong> <strong>fuli</strong> <strong>saqarTvelos</strong><br />
<strong>kazinoebSi</strong>, <strong>Zvirad</strong> <strong>Rirebuli</strong> saqonlis<br />
patara butikebsa da privatizaciisas<br />
Jurnali “Tbiliselebi” – 14-20 ivlisi, # 29, 2008<br />
dasavleli partniorebis daxmarebiTa da rekomendaciiT Cvens<br />
qveyanaSi <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTerebis winaaRmdeg mebrZoli samsaxuri jer<br />
kidev vardebis revoluciamde Seiqmna, Tumca sazogadoeba rame<br />
gansakuTrebiT skandalur saqmes, romelic ukanono gziT naSovni<br />
<strong>fuli</strong>s recxvasTan iqneboda dakavSirebuli, ar SeuSfoTebia. meore<br />
mxriv, <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTrebisTvis noyieri adgili, sworedac rom,<br />
ganviTarebadi qveynebia, romelTa ricxvs, samwuxarod, Cveni qveyanac<br />
miekuTvneba. <strong>rogor</strong> irecxeba <strong>Savi</strong> <strong>fuli</strong> saqarTveloSi da <strong>rogor</strong> unda<br />
gamovarCioT <strong>fuli</strong>s mrecxavebi znekeTili biznesmenebisgan, am<br />
sakiTxebze ekonomikis mecnierebaTa doqtori, profesori vladimer<br />
papava gvesaubreba.<br />
– <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTrebis ra saSualebebi arsebobs iseTi qveyanaSi,<br />
<strong>rogor</strong>ic saqarTveloa?<br />
– daviwyoT imiT, rom <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTerebis Zalian bevri meqanizmi<br />
arsebobs: aris iseTebi, romlebic Zalian kargad moqmedebs<br />
ganviTarebul qveynebSi da saqarTveloSic gamoiyeneba da arsebobs<br />
specifikuri meqanizmebic, romlebic mxolod iseTi tipis qveynebSi<br />
gamoiyeneba, <strong>rogor</strong>ic saqarTveloa. uwinares yovlisa, <strong>fuli</strong>s<br />
gaTeTrebisTvis Zalian kargi saSualebaa sxvadasxva ofSoruli zonebi,<br />
radgan iq, <strong>rogor</strong>c wesi, <strong>fuli</strong>s warmomavloba ar fiqsrideba: qmni<br />
firmas, arc ki Cans, vin aris misi damfuZnebeli da im firmiT Sedixar<br />
sxvadasxva qveyanaSi, maT Soris iqac, saidanac xar warmoSobiT.<br />
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– rodis gaCnda msoflioSi ofSeruli zonebis praqtika?<br />
– mogexsenebaT, ofSeruli zona aris specialurad Seqmnili<br />
ekonomikuri sivrce, sadac Zalian gamartivebulia sxvadasxva tipis<br />
biznesis registracia, aris garantia, rom aravin gkiTxavs <strong>fuli</strong>s<br />
warmomavlobas da daxurulia informacia imis Sesaxeb, Tu vin aris am<br />
biznesis Semqmneli. ofSeruli zona aris Tavisufali ekonomikuri<br />
zonis erTgvari modifikacia, Tumca Semdeg is Camoyalibda, <strong>rogor</strong>c<br />
konkretulad finansuri kapitalis mozidvis saSualeba. ofSerul<br />
zonebSi <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTrebas aqvs Tavisi dadebiTi da uaryofiTi<br />
mxareebi: uaryofiTi mxare aris is, rom es <strong>fuli</strong> arakanonierad aris<br />
naSovni, radgan xSirad dakavSirebulia iaraRiT, adamianebiT Tu<br />
narkotikebiT vaWrobasTan, agreTve, SesaZloa, dakavSirebuli iyos<br />
gadasaxadebis gadaxdis Tavidan acilebasTan, rac imas niSnavs, rom<br />
aseTi qmedeba unda daisajos, magram isicaa, rom <strong>fuli</strong>s am gziT<br />
gaTeTerebas aqvs Tavisi plusic, kerZod, Tu ver moxerxda aseTi piris<br />
dasja, maSin isev jobia, rom aseTi <strong>fuli</strong>s raRac nawili mainc<br />
gaTeTrdes da raRac Semosavalic misces ama Tu im saxelmwifos.<br />
ofSerul zonebSi <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTrebis meqanizmi Zalian martivia:<br />
vTqvaT, viRacas aqvs aralegaluri Semosavali aralegaluri<br />
biznesidan an sakmaod legaluri biznesidan, magram unda<br />
gadasaxadebis damalva, is am Tanxebs Tavs mouyris sxvadasxva<br />
ofSerul zonebSi, sadac ar fiqsirdeba arc <strong>fuli</strong>s warmoSoba, arc<br />
mflobelis vinaoba, firma Sedis sxvadasxva qveyanaSi da iwyebs<br />
bizness.<br />
– bizness iwyebs biznesisTvis Tu danarCeni <strong>Savi</strong> <strong>fuli</strong>s<br />
gasaTeTreblad?<br />
– orive mizniT. Cven viciT, rac mouvida aw gansvenebul badri<br />
patarkaciSvils, romlis ojaxic Cven Tvalwin kargavs Tavis bizness,<br />
swored imitom rom badri patarkaciSvilis firmebi Seqmnili iyo<br />
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ofSerul zonebSi, amitomac ar Cans <strong>fuli</strong>s warmomavloba da, amdenad,<br />
arc am biznesis mflobeli.<br />
– anu ver amtkicebs badri patarkaciSvilis ojaxi, rom is<br />
biznesebi swored badri patarkaciSvils ekuTvnoda?<br />
– me ar vici, <strong>rogor</strong> dasruldeba sasamarTlo procesebi, magram,<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, faqtia, rom gamoCndnen iseT pirebi, romlebic<br />
aqamde ar Candnen da maT gamoTqves pretenzia badri patarakaciSvilis<br />
zogierT biznesze.<br />
isev <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTrebas rom davubrundeT: <strong>fuli</strong>s recxvisTvis,<br />
garda ofSeruli zonebisa, sxva meqanizmebic SeiZleba, iyos<br />
gamoyenebuli: magaliTad, amisTvis Zalian kargi saSualebaa kazino,<br />
gansakuTrebiT, Cvennairi tipis qveynebSi. erTi periodis ganmavlobaSi,<br />
gaxsovT, mTeli Tbilisi kazinoebiT iyo gavsebuli da Cveni mezobeli<br />
saxelmwifoebidan Camodiodnen adamianebi, CamohqondaT Tanxa, romlis<br />
nawilis daTmobis safasuradac danarCeni Tanxa ukan mihqondaT,<br />
<strong>rogor</strong>c TiTqos Tbilisis <strong>kazinoebSi</strong> mogebuli Tanxa. saerTod,<br />
kazino da sxvadasxva saTamaSo biznesi <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTerebis brwyinvale<br />
saSualebebia, isini gamoiyeneba msoflios sxvadasxva qveyanaSi da, maT<br />
Soris, saqarTveloSic. amas garda, mTel msoflioSi <strong>fuli</strong>s garecxvis<br />
Zalian kargi meqanizmia <strong>Zvirad</strong> <strong>Rirebuli</strong> saqonliT movaWre mcire<br />
zomis butikebi, romlebSic, <strong>rogor</strong>c wesi, gamyidveli bevria, myidveli<br />
TiTqmis ar aris da fasebi araadekvaturia, ufro metic, iseTi fasebia,<br />
rom araferi ar iyido, rac im wuTasve aCens azrs, rom es ar aris<br />
savaWro obieqti. mesmis, rom savaWro obieqtebi gaTvlilia sxvadasxva<br />
fenis myidvelze, magram, <strong>rogor</strong> SeiZleba, rom arcTu ise mdidar<br />
qveyanaSi iyos butikebi, romlebSic aravin Sedis? Tumca, meore mxriv,<br />
aseTi butikebi ganviTarebul qveynebSic aris. <strong>rogor</strong>c wesi, aseTi<br />
butikebis mesakures aqvs sxva biznesi: an aralegaluri, an naxevrad<br />
legaluri da sWirdeba am biznesis gaTeTreba, amitomac is qmnis aseT<br />
savaWro obieqts da misi mizania, rom araferi ar gaiyidos, ra Tqma<br />
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unda, reulurad, Torem dokumenturad gaformdeba, rom iq vaWroba iyo<br />
da bijutSic gadaixdis gadasaxadebs. anu im Tanxas, romelsac<br />
moipovebs aralegaluri gziT apravebs legalurad.<br />
– Tu arsebobs <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTrebis specifikuri, <strong>saqarTvelos</strong>Tvis<br />
damaxasiaTebeli meqanizmebi?<br />
– vardebis revoluciamdec da Semdegac saqarTveloSi dainerga<br />
aseTi praqtika: Cveni Tanamdebobis pirebi, marto an ucxoel<br />
partniorebTan erTad, sxvadasxva ofSorul zonebSi (da ara marto)<br />
qmnidnen da qmnian raRac firmebs, Semdeg Semodian qveyanaSi, da<br />
<strong>rogor</strong>c ucxoeli bizensmenebi iwyeben raRac bizness. sxvaTa Soris,<br />
firma SeiZleba, arc iyos registrirebuli ofSerul zonaSi, magram<br />
mainc aravin icodes misi warmomavloba. moviyvan aseT magliTs: iciT,<br />
vin aris energo-pro?<br />
– ramdenadac me vici, es aravin icis.<br />
– viciT, rom CexeTSia Seqmnili, magram es aris kompania,<br />
romelic arc arsebobda da maSin, rodesac ganacxadi gaakeTa, rom<br />
samas milionze mets gadaixdida saqarTveloSi energetikuli<br />
obieqtebis SeZenaSi, Tavisi veb-gverdic ar hqondaT, romlis Seqmnac<br />
ramdenime aTasi jdeba. pirveli informacia energo-pros Sesaxeb iyo is,<br />
rom es aris kompania, romelic flobs energetikul obieqtebs<br />
saqarTveloSi. ginda Tu ara, dagebadeba eWvi, rom energo-pro <strong>fuli</strong>s<br />
gaTeTrebis mizniT viRaceebis mier Seqmnili kompaniaa. iciT, vin iyida<br />
Tbilisis wyali? aris romeliRac Sveicariuli kompania, magram es ar<br />
aris romelime cnobili firma, romelic SveicariaSi muSaobs wylis an<br />
sakvebi produqtebis biznesSi. iciT, vin iyida krwanisis rezidencia?<br />
ufro metic, bolo wlebSi damkvidrda praqtika, rom ama Tu im<br />
obieqtis privatizaciamde ori-sami dRiT adre registrirdeba raRac<br />
firma, romelic uceb xdeba gamarjvebuli. CvenTan privatizaciis iseTi<br />
sqemebic gamoiyenes, rodesac satendero konvertebis gaxsnisas erT-erT<br />
konvertSi ewera, vixdi 50 000-iT mets imaze, vinc yvelaze maRal fass<br />
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daasaxelebso. es katasrtofaa, magram aseTi firmebi imarjveben da<br />
aravin icis, ra <strong>fuli</strong>a da vin dgas am <strong>fuli</strong>s ukan. amas garda, CvenTan<br />
aris aseTi tendenciac: xdeba Svilobili kompaniebis dafuZneba mesame<br />
qveynebSi, xSirad ofSerul zonebSi, isini Semodian saqarTveloSi,<br />
hqviaT Zalian STambeWdavi saxeli da ver gaigeb Tu vin dgas maT ukan.<br />
– wyali da energetika strategiuli dargebia, Tu ar aris<br />
cnobili am firmebis mesakuTris vinaoba, vis daekisreba<br />
pasuxismgebloba, Tu firma ar Seasrulebs Tavis valdebulebebs?<br />
– yvelaferi damokidebulia imaze, Tu <strong>rogor</strong>i kontraqtia<br />
gaformebuli saxelmwifosa da am firmas Soris. swored is aris<br />
seriozuli problema, rom saxelmwifo ar unda debdes xelSekrulebas<br />
aseT saeWvo kompaniebTan, miuxedavad imisa, obieqti strategiulia Tu<br />
ara. magaliTad, krwanisis rezidencia ar aris strategiuli obieqti,<br />
magram xom unda vicodeT, vin aris misi mflobeli? Tqves, rom<br />
Sveicariuli kompaniaa, magram Semdeg aRmoCnda, rom is dafuZnebulia<br />
rusi milionerebis mier, anu vin Semovida: rusuli Tu Sveicariuli<br />
kapitali? erTi mxriv, TiTqos amas ar aqvs mniSvneloba, magram, meore<br />
mxriv, ratom ar aqvs mniSvneloba? ase rom, <strong>fuli</strong>s garecxvis<br />
sxvadasxva meqanizmebi arsebobs, magram, samwuxarod, es Cveni tipis<br />
qveyanaSi ufro utifrad keTdeba. rac Seexeba pasuxismgeblobas:<br />
upirvelesad unda dadges politikuri pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi<br />
mTavrobis im wevrTa mimarT, romlebic aseT aratransfarantul<br />
politikas atareben da saeWvo warmomavlobis firmebTan aformeben<br />
xelSekrulebebs. magram, vin uda daayenos es sakiTxi? visac aqvs<br />
mTavrobis kontrolis funqcia, anu parlamentma, magram msgavsi ram<br />
arasdros momxdara da, merwmuneT, uaxloes xanSi, arc moxdeba.<br />
– saqarTveloSi Semovidnen msoflioSi cnobili sastumroebis<br />
brendebi. esec <strong>fuli</strong>s gaTeTrebasTan xom ar aris dakavSirebuli? ar<br />
mgonia, saqarTveloSi imdeni mdidari turisti Camovides, rom amdeni<br />
sastumro aiTvisos.<br />
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– vin iyida yofili “imelis” Senoba? yvelas gvegona, rom iyida<br />
kempinskim, msoflioSi cnobilma firmam, magram aRmoCnda, rom Senobis<br />
mflobelia kapital vostoki da esec sruliad SemTxveviT gavigeT,<br />
rodesac TabukaSvilis 50 nomerSi barbarosulad daangries axlad<br />
aSenebuli korpusi. vin aris “kapital vostoki”? saxelwodebiT<br />
gviCndeba eWvi, rom es rusuli kompania unda iyos, romelic kempinskis<br />
abris qveS moqmedebs, realurad ki, kempinski aris sastumros<br />
operatori. myidvelma, anu kapital vostokma, masTan, <strong>rogor</strong>c<br />
operatorTan, gaaforma xelSekruleba. Tu es asea kempinskisTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, xom SeiZleba, msgavsi ram xdebodes radisonTan,<br />
haiaTTan, Tu hiltonTan mimarTebaSic? vin dgas maT ukan? amboben, rom<br />
iusticiis saministros Senoba SeiZina hiltonma, marTlac hiltonia<br />
mflobeli, Tu is mxolod sastumros operatoria, <strong>rogor</strong>c kempinski<br />
“imelis” SemTxvevaSi? mTavroba iyenebs cnobil brendebs fiarisTvis,<br />
magram xSir SemTxvevaSi Cven ar viciT, vin dgas am brendebis ukan.<br />
cnobili brendebi ufrTxildebian TavianT prestiJs, miuxedavad imisa,<br />
romel qveyanaSi arian, magram me ar vici, ra prestiJi aqvs, magaliTad,<br />
“kapital vostoks”.<br />
nino xaCiZe<br />
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