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12 <strong>saerTo</strong> gazeTi #33 (162), 24.08-30.08, 2011 w.<br />
vveessaauubbrreebbiiTT aaRRmmoossaavvlleeTT<br />
ddaassaavvlleeTTiiss uurrTTiieerrTToobbaaTTaa<br />
cceennttrriiss xxeellmmZZRRvvaanneellss<br />
pprrooffeessoorr<br />
vaJa lorTqifaniZes.<br />
_ batono vaJa aris Tu ara<br />
globalizaciis procesi patara<br />
qveynebisTvis damRupveli,<br />
xom ar moxdeba Cveni eronuli<br />
faseulobebis gaqroba?<br />
_ me Sinaganad ar veTanxmebi<br />
im azrs, rom yvelaferi<br />
rac xdeba cudi, mivaweroT<br />
globalizaciis process. arc<br />
imas veTanxmebi, rom is rac<br />
religiis kanonTan dakavSirebiT<br />
moxda saerTaSoriso zewolis<br />
an globalizaciis, Sedegi<br />
iyo. vfiqrob, rom es viwro,<br />
interesebiT aris nakarnaxevi,<br />
mizezebi ki bevrad ufro<br />
konkretulia. aseTi kanoni,<br />
rac CvenTan miiRes arsad ar<br />
regulirdeba am formiT es<br />
rom iyo zogadi aseTi moTxona,<br />
maSin es sxva qveyanaSic unda<br />
iyos, arsad is ar aris. is<br />
viwro koniuqturuli mosazrebebidan<br />
nakarnaxevi. amitomac<br />
aris, rom is iwvevs protesis<br />
gancdas. yvelgan, inglisSi,<br />
safrangeTSi, amerikaSi sxvadasxva<br />
kanonmdeblobiT, sxvadasxva<br />
wesiT regulirdeba es<br />
urTierTobebi. damokidebuleba<br />
yvela religiisadmi unda iyos<br />
tolerantuli yvelas aqvs<br />
ufleba iarsebos, es adamianis<br />
uflebaa. cxadia, es aravisSi<br />
eWvs ar iwvevs miTumetes saqarTveloSi,<br />
sadac tradiciulad<br />
ase mogvdgamda.<br />
is, rom axla viRacas Tav-<br />
Si mouvida, rom viTom kanoniT<br />
daareguliros es sakiTxi ra<br />
saWiroa? vis uxsniT amas? im<br />
xalxs vinc es yvelaferi sisxlis<br />
fasad SeinarCunes?<br />
aseve, unda gvaxsovdes, rom<br />
saqarTveloSi swored marTlmadideblobam<br />
Seasrula gansakuTrebuli<br />
roli eris cxovrebaSi<br />
mis ganviTarebasa da<br />
SenarCunebaSi, Tumca, tolerantul<br />
damokidebulebas mis-<br />
Tvis xeli ar SeuSlia.<br />
is, rac dRes moxda sruli<br />
gaugebrobaa, faqtobrivad, ca-<br />
riel adgilze qariSxali amoagdes.<br />
miTumetes, rom adre<br />
parlaments hqonda miRebuli<br />
kanoni, romelic religiaTa<br />
Soris urTierTobebs aregulirebda,<br />
amitom dRes saWiro<br />
iyo misi realizacia, minda<br />
vTqva, rom iqidan bevri ram<br />
dRemde ar Sesrulda. erTs<br />
getyviT magaliTisaTvis. am kanonSi<br />
asea Cawerili: rom<br />
jvriswera Tavisi iuridiuli<br />
ZaliT, gaTanabrebuli unda<br />
yofiliyo samoqalaqo aqtebis<br />
wignSi xelmowerasTan amas<br />
sWirdeboda kanonSi cvlilebis<br />
Setana d misi damkvidreba,<br />
ase ar moxda, iseve, rogorc<br />
bevri sxva ram. ucnauria magram<br />
faqtia, rom is vinc dRes<br />
xelisuflebaSia, isini iyvnen<br />
maSin am kanonis damkvidrebis<br />
mxardamWerni, Tu ar undodaT,<br />
ratom misces maSin amas xma?<br />
im gzas gahyolodnen da is siaxleebi<br />
daemkvidrebinaT cxovrebaSi,<br />
ra saWiro iyo axlis<br />
Zieba?<br />
erTi ram ki cxadia, rom<br />
yovelive amas Zalian rTuli<br />
Sedegebi SeiZleba mohyves, mi-<br />
Tumetes imitom, rom es yvelaferi<br />
droSi SemosazRvruli<br />
ar aris. momavalSi aman SeiZleba<br />
erovnuli dapirispireba<br />
gamoiwvios. vin unda agos ma-<br />
Sin amaze pasuxi? es SeiZleba<br />
maSin moxdes, rodesac am kano-<br />
nis mimRebni arcerTi mTavrobaSi<br />
aRar iqnebian, mere ra<br />
gveSveleba? vis movTxovoT pasuxi?<br />
Tu kargad CaukvirdebiT<br />
es yvelaferi bevr ramesTan<br />
aris dakavSirebuli, kerZod,<br />
materialurTan, teritoriul<br />
mowyobasTan da ase Semdeg. amdenad,<br />
es Zalian rTuli Temaa,<br />
xom xedavT pirvel dReebSive<br />
rogori mRelvareba gamoiwvia?<br />
saqarTveloSi cxovroben<br />
rusebi, azerbaijanelebi,<br />
ukrainelebi, somxebi<br />
da sxva erovnebis warmomadgenlebi,<br />
me bednieri<br />
viqnebi, Tu isini saqarTvelos<br />
Tavis sam-<br />
Soblod miiCneven, magram<br />
yvelas minda axsovdes<br />
rom es saqarTvelos!<br />
es Zalian mniSvnelovani<br />
ram aris. ar<br />
mesmis ratom aris es<br />
qsenofobia, Cven xom<br />
sxva samSoblo ar gagvaCnia?<br />
es ar unda iyos<br />
dasaZraxisi. zogierTi<br />
aseT midgomas araprog-<br />
yovelive amas<br />
resulobad miCneven. Cven unda<br />
gvaxsovdes, rom dRes msoflio<br />
ar midis aqeTken, gaixseneT<br />
21 saukunis dasawyisSi<br />
erovnuli niSniT ramdeni saxelmwifo<br />
iqmneba? es xom<br />
msoflio procesia, amas xels<br />
veravin SeuSlis. dasavleli<br />
politologebi amas dRes aRniSnaven.<br />
aris didi mecnieri, genuri<br />
inJineriis fuZemdebeli stiven<br />
open geimeri romelmac Tqva,<br />
rom saubari rasaze, erze politikurad<br />
arakoreqtulia ma-<br />
Sin, Tu amas vambobT erTi eis<br />
meoresTan SedarebiT upiratesobaze<br />
an Tu vambobT aseT rames<br />
meore eris dasaknineblad.<br />
magram Tu amas vxmarobT mravalferovnebis<br />
pozitiuri SefasebisaTvis,<br />
es politikurad<br />
koreqtuliao~. aviRoT Tundac<br />
patara qveyana Suagul evropa-<br />
Si belgia, iq ori welia mTavroba<br />
ver Camoayalibes, imitom<br />
rom faqtobrivad iqac<br />
aris eTnikuri problemebi. ese<br />
igi es aris sakiTxi romelic<br />
awuxebs msoflios.<br />
dRes rom Tavs deben zogierTi<br />
politikosebi liberalobaze<br />
da progresulobaze,<br />
me ara mgonia, rom isini ufro<br />
meti liberalebi iyvnen vidre<br />
iyo Sarl de goli. mas ekuTvnis<br />
brwyinvale sityvebi: `erisTviT<br />
gamorkveva erTaderTi<br />
politikaa, romelic Rirsia<br />
safrangeTisa~. amas ambobs<br />
Sarl de goli, axla Cven ra<br />
vqnaT, mas nacionalisti vuwodoT?<br />
_ praqtikulad Cans, rom<br />
msoflio globalizaciis saqme<br />
dRes sxva WrilSi gadavida,<br />
rodesac erebs Soris erovnulobis<br />
damkvidrebac xdeba...<br />
_ cxadia asea, swored am<br />
epoqaSi vcxovrobT, rodesac<br />
saqme midis ara denacionalizaciis,<br />
aramed renacionalizaciis<br />
gziT. es sulac ar niSnavs<br />
karCaketilobas.<br />
aviRoT Tundac didi ilia,<br />
an vaJa, isini sworedac rom<br />
internacionalitebi iyvnen da<br />
amis Taobaze Riad werdnen kidec.<br />
aiReT Tundac didi mwerlebi<br />
SoTa rusTaveli, goeTe,<br />
Seqspiri _ isini xom zogadsakacobrio<br />
Temebze werdnen.<br />
aviRoT, Tundac Cveni cocxali<br />
klasikosi robert sturua,<br />
romelic qmnis didi Rirebulebis<br />
mqone speqtaklebs.<br />
me mgoni msoflioSi qveyana ar<br />
darCa, sadac ar aRfrTovandnen<br />
misi SemoqmedebiT, magram<br />
vin ityvis imas, rom is erovnuli<br />
ar aris?<br />
_ dRes mas politikosebi<br />
daupirispirdnen...<br />
Zalian mZime Sedegebi<br />
SeiZleba mohyves...<br />
_ miegdoT misTvis yuri,<br />
iqneb raime Rirebuls ambobda?<br />
`iqneb ar aris raRac kargad<br />
daniis samefoSi? da iqneb gveubneba<br />
amas msoflioSi aRiarebuli<br />
Semoqmedi? rac Seexeba<br />
religiis kanonSi cvlilebas,<br />
ratom miiRes is daCqarebiT?<br />
ratom ar mousmines patriarqs<br />
iqneb ras sTxovda gadawyvetilebis<br />
mimRebebs? im etapze<br />
xom misi mTavari Txovna martivi<br />
iyo _ ar eCqaraT da ise<br />
ar mieRoT kanoni, nuTu es Zneli<br />
Sesasrulebeli iyo? sinodis<br />
yvela gancxadebaSi naTqvami<br />
iyo rom isini yvela konfesiebs<br />
pativs miagebdnen ise<br />
rogorc es iyo odiTganve, maS,<br />
ra saWiro iyo Ria karis<br />
mtvreva? ratom iCqares?<br />
me zustad vici,<br />
rom rodesac parlamentiswarmomadgenebi<br />
patriarqTan mividnen<br />
da viTom konsultaciebi<br />
hqondaT<br />
masTan, am dros kanoni<br />
mesame mosmeniT mi-<br />
Rebuli iyo ukve. vin<br />
aigdes abuCad?<br />
absoluturad tyuilia,<br />
rodesac amboben rom evroparlamentis<br />
miTiTebiT moxda am<br />
kanonis miReba. amiTi ufro am-<br />
Zimeben saqmes, rodesac vinmes<br />
abraleben es is SemTxvevaa gare<br />
faqtorebs aq aranairi adgili<br />
ar hqonia.<br />
amas mohyva didi vnebaTa-<br />
Relva da es logikuri iyo. me<br />
am saqmebSi provokaciis suni<br />
mcems.<br />
es saqme did sulierebas<br />
exeba da sruliad Segnebulad<br />
xalxSi gaCnda eWvi ratom ase<br />
daCqarebulad saqmis gadawyveta?<br />
Tumca, is ufro sasaciloa,<br />
rom is vinc amas ar eTanxmeba<br />
gamocxaddes araprogresulad?<br />
ar midis msoflio<br />
iqiTken, rom erovnuli nivelirebebi<br />
moxdes.<br />
zogjer fiqroben rom eklesia<br />
saxelmwifo saqmeebSi<br />
unda Caerios, sazogadoebaSi<br />
aris amis moTxovnac, magram<br />
piriqiT ki xdeba, aqtiur<br />
mcdelobas politikosebis<br />
mxridan Caerion eklesiis saqmeebSi,<br />
Riadac da SeniRbuladac.<br />
amas Riad akeTeben arasam-<br />
Tavrobo organizaciebi, rodesac<br />
amboben rom droa eklesia<br />
ufro gamWvirvale gaxdes! ras<br />
niSnavs es? eklesias xom Tavisi<br />
kanonebi gaaCnia, romelzedac<br />
agebulia mTeli religia,<br />
is xom wminda mamebis mier<br />
aris Seqmnili? aqve minda gavixseno<br />
basili didis sityvebi,<br />
rodesac is wamebis win ambobs:<br />
`me ar meSinia Tqveni wamebis,<br />
gadasaxlebis, yvela adgili<br />
RvTisaa.~<br />
samwuxarod Cveni Tanamed-<br />
rove progresuli politikosebi<br />
piriqiT iqcevian, amboben<br />
erTs, akeTeben meores. yovel<br />
wuTs vawydebiT erTs, maTi<br />
mxridan eklesiis saqmeebSi aqtiur<br />
Carevas es dauSvebelia.<br />
xelisufleba modis da modis,<br />
Tanac yvelas Tavisi mosazrebebi<br />
gaaCnia, ra qnas, ahyves<br />
amas eklesia? RmerTisgan gan-<br />
Cinebul kanonebs uRalatos?<br />
_ ganaTlebis sistemaSic<br />
ase ar xdeba, moxda garedan<br />
Carevebi da damoukidebloba<br />
dakarges, an inglisuris savaldebulobaze<br />
ras ityviT?<br />
_ geTanxmebiT, moxda, magram<br />
aqac aucilebeli iyo damoukideblobisa<br />
da avtonomiebis<br />
SenarCuneba, maT kanonebs<br />
garedan ar unda gansazRvravdnen.<br />
xom yvelasaTvis naTelia,<br />
rom ganaTlebis ministri gadawyvetilebebs<br />
ar iRebs, es
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