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IKIGANIRO<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Dr., wabaye<br />
amahoro ko ntaheruka no kumva<br />
telephone, nizeye ko utahuye na za<br />
grenade.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda: Profeseur<br />
ndaho by’iki gihe; wowe se wabaye<br />
amahoro si naguterefonnye bitewe<br />
nuko aho ntuye hegeranye na ha<br />
hantu baherutse gutera grenade.<br />
Naratashye nsanga polisi ihagaze<br />
iwanjye ku muryango banyaka<br />
telephone kubera impamvu<br />
z’umutekano, ni akumiro.<br />
Prof. Bamenya : Dr., sigaho<br />
kunsetsa urashaka kuvuga ko<br />
“Black berry” yawe ifitanye isano<br />
na grenade.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda: Oya ibyo<br />
byakorwa igihe gito kubera<br />
impamvu z’umutekano batekereza<br />
ga ko hari ushobora kuvugana<br />
n’abatera za grenade kandi njyewe<br />
ndabyumva gusa icyo ntari numva<br />
kugeza uyu munsi ni uko nabahaye<br />
“blacy berry” bakansubiza<br />
karasharamye” icyakora bari<br />
bacanganyikiwe nshobora kubaha<br />
imbabazi nubwo batazinsabye. Iyo<br />
karasharamye nayo narayibashubije<br />
ubu nta telephoni mfite.<br />
Prof. Bamenya: uracyari umutesi,<br />
koko nta mbabazi bashobora<br />
kugusaba, wiyibagije ko kubona<br />
cash niyo amaraso yaba ari<br />
kumeneka ari ihame rya mafiya.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda: Icyakora aho<br />
nabereye mbonye ikintu gitera<br />
ubwoba Mafiya ni “grenade nta<br />
kindi ndibaza umunsi bariya basore<br />
bazakoresha za mashinigane uko<br />
bizagenda ni hatari kabisa!<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Uretse n’ibyo<br />
by’ubwoba hari ikindi natangiye<br />
kubona cyantangaje; uzi ko bamwe<br />
muri bo batangiye kugaragaza<br />
ibimenyetso by’uburwayi bw’imitsi<br />
n’umugongo!<br />
Dr. Hishamunda: Prof., se kandi<br />
ko wongeye kuzimiza noneho turi<br />
buhurire he? Ndavuga iby’ubwoba<br />
nawe ukazana iby’uburwayi<br />
bw’imitsi n’mugongo.<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Nyamara<br />
nubwo useka bifite aho bihuriye.<br />
Iby’ubwoba turi bubigarukeho<br />
ariko iby’imitsi n’umugongo<br />
ndakeka ko byaba biterwa no<br />
UMUSESO No <strong>399</strong>, <strong>15</strong> - 22 Werurwe 2010<br />
Urup. 13<br />
Kagame ati “mu Rwanda kudeta ntishoboka” Irashoboka!<br />
Ntabwo ndi Habyarimana –u Rwanda si Niger<br />
kubura imyifato mu migendere<br />
yabo.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda: Prof., gerageza<br />
unsobanurire neza n<strong>du</strong>mva iki<br />
kiganiro gishobora kuza kugera<br />
kure.<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Kubura imyifato<br />
nshaka kuvuga, ni uko bamwe<br />
batangiye kuyoberwa niba<br />
bazakomeza kugenda bemye nkuko<br />
bari babisanganywe cyangwa se<br />
niba bagomba kugenda bunamye<br />
kandi bananyonyomba. Ikigaragara<br />
ni uko abenshi bahisemo ingendo<br />
iri hagati y’izo zombi ikaba<br />
ishobora kuba ariyo nyirabayazana<br />
yo kubabara imitsi n’umugongo<br />
benshi batangiye gutaka. Sinigeze<br />
niga iby’ubuvuzi ariko sinzi niba<br />
hari uwanyomoza.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda:Ariko se Prof<br />
mbabarira tugaruke ku by’ubwoba<br />
buri han; wowe urabibona ute?<br />
Prof. Bamenya : Ubwoba buri<br />
hano ni bwinshi cyane ariko reka<br />
tugerageze tubucukumbure. Nta<br />
gushidikanya umunyarwanda wese<br />
uri hano ndetse n’umunyamahanga<br />
bose bafite ubwoba kandi<br />
birumvikana ntabwo grenade<br />
zahitana abantu cyangwa ngo<br />
ziturikiye mu gihugu umuntu wese<br />
yizera ga ko kirimo umutekano<br />
ngo habure ubwoba kabone niyo<br />
abantu bahumirizwa na Kagame<br />
ubwe nkuko yavuze ko abantu<br />
bagomba kuryama bagasinzira.<br />
Wasinzira ute abantu barimo<br />
gushwanyaguzwa na grenade,<br />
ubwoba buri hano bufite ishingiro.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda : Ariko rero<br />
Kagame ni umugabo wo kwizerwa<br />
uko yahumurije abanyarwanda<br />
none grenade zacecetse ndetse<br />
yavuze ko nta kudeta ishobora<br />
kuba mu Rwanda; Kagame<br />
yavuzeko atari Habyarimana kandi<br />
ko u Rwanda atari Niger.<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Yebaba weee !!!!<br />
eeee Dr., mbega ibintu biryoshye<br />
gusobanura! Ahuuu !!! Urakoze<br />
cyane wabonye ukuntu Kagame<br />
yarebaga n’amagambo yavuga<br />
kandi azi ko binyura kuri televiziyo<br />
y’igihugu? Guhunga kwa General<br />
Kayumba Nyamwasa byahise<br />
bigaragaza neza Kagame uwo ari<br />
we.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda: Mbere yo<br />
(Ikiganiro cya Dr Hishamunda na Prof Bamenya (Igice cya 5)<br />
Icyo numvise ni uko zahin<strong>du</strong>ye<br />
imiroshyo abasirikare bagafata<br />
ubutegetsi amakuru atari ay’u<br />
Rwanda sinjya nyitaho.<br />
kugaruka kuri Kagame ubwe no<br />
guhunga kwa General Kayumba<br />
Nyamwasa banza umbwire<br />
icyo wavanye mu magambo ya<br />
Kagame.<br />
Prof. Bamenya : Ibyo nakuyemo<br />
ni byinshi cyane ariko icy’ingenzi<br />
ni uko Kagame afite ubwoba<br />
buruta ubw’abanyarwanda bose<br />
bafite ubuteranyije. Ku bantu bafite<br />
n’akantu gato bazi ku bijyanye<br />
na “ Psychologie” amagambo<br />
Kagame yavuze ntabwo ateye<br />
ubwoba ahubwo yo ubwayo ni<br />
ubwoba. Reka nisobanure neza;<br />
kuba Kagame yaravuze ko atari<br />
Habyarimana kandi Kinani amaze<br />
imyaka hafi 16 apfuye, ntabwo<br />
byari mu rwego rwo kumwunamira<br />
uretse ko Gen. yunamiye mugenzi<br />
we nabyo ntacyo byaba bitwaye.<br />
Gusa kuvuga Habyarimana<br />
kandi atarigeze akorwa Kudeta<br />
bigaragaza ko Kagame yibutse<br />
ko babagereranyije nk’impanga,<br />
yibutse uburyo yapfuye abihujemo<br />
no guhunga kwa General Kayumba<br />
Nyamwasa nibyo byatumye<br />
Kagame areba kwa kundi uko<br />
yarebaga. Ntibizibagirana ku<br />
bamubonye kuri televiziyo.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda : Iby’ubwoba<br />
bwa Kagame sinabyumvaga ariko<br />
noneho ndabyumvise, koko uri<br />
mwarimu.<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Nari ngikomeza,<br />
kuvuga ko mu Rwanda hadashobora<br />
kuba kudeta, burya byatewe<br />
nuko Kagame yahise abona ko<br />
bishoboka noneho mu bwonko bwe<br />
hahita hishushanyamo “ NIGER”<br />
! Niyo mpamvu yahise avuga ko<br />
u Rwanda atari Niger! Ubundi se<br />
nyine u Rwanda ni Niger? Biriya<br />
Kagame yari abikuye he? Ubwoba<br />
buragatsindwa yashatse kubuhisha<br />
maze bumwibutsa kudeta yo<br />
muri Niger! Ese ubundi waba<br />
waramenye uko kudeta yo muri<br />
Niger yagenze n’intandaro yabyo<br />
ko ari byo byagufasha kubyumva<br />
neza.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda: Icyo numvise<br />
ni uko zahin<strong>du</strong>ye imiroshyo<br />
abasirikare bagafata ubutegetsi<br />
amakuru atari ay’u Rwanda sinjya<br />
nyitaho.<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Nyamara ukwiye<br />
kujya ukurikira iby’ahandi, none<br />
se amabombe yirirwa aripuka i<br />
“Bagdad” ataniye he na grenade za<br />
“ Nyabugogo” na “ Kimironko”<br />
Dr. Hishamunda: Ok Prof.<br />
ndabikwemereye kuva ubu nzajya<br />
nkurikirana n’ibibera ahandi ariko<br />
winyicisha amatsiko mbwira ibya<br />
kudeta yo muri Niger kuko nayo<br />
ishobora kuba iri mu byatumye<br />
Ese ubundi waba waramenye uko kudeta<br />
yo muri Niger yagenze n’intandaro yabyo<br />
ko ari byo byagufasha kubyumva neza.<br />
Kagame areba kwa kundi.<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Hari ku itariki 18<br />
Gashyantare 2010 mu gihe cya saa<br />
ine za mu gitondo ba ofisiye bake<br />
bo mu gihugu cya Niger bakoreye<br />
inama muri kimwe mu bigo bya<br />
gisirikare kibamo bya bibunda<br />
bya rutura bita ibifaru. Icyo kigo<br />
kiri mu murwa mukuru cyitwa “<br />
compagnie d’appui de Niamey”.<br />
Kuri uwo munsi saa tanu Perezida<br />
wa Niger “MAMADOU TANDJA”<br />
yafunguye inama y’abaminisitiri<br />
nta kibazo afite, bigeze saa saba<br />
ibintu biba bibaye ibindi urufayo<br />
rw’ibisasu binini bitangira<br />
kumvikana, ngayo amadirishya<br />
mu kirere, inzugi hasi, ibirahure<br />
bikwira imishwaro abaminisitiri<br />
bose nk’abasirikare bakubitira inda<br />
hasi icyarimwe, ubundi ngo cwe.<br />
Dr. Hishamunda : Nyamuneka<br />
ntugarukire aho biraryoshye ubwo<br />
Perezida byamugendekeye bite?<br />
Prof. Bamenya: Ubwo nyine<br />
byamaze kudogera Perezida yiruka<br />
amasigamana no mubiro bye ngo<br />
ba! Akubisemo urufunguzo ako<br />
kanya yahise atelefona umugaba<br />
w’ingabo General “ MOUMOUNI<br />
Boureima” ati nyamuneka<br />
nyamuneka gira vuba uhamagaze